July 15, 2023 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 5 — Andrew Tate: Prophet or Pimp? Mid Margot Robbie? DeSantis Snubs TPA?
In this latest THOUGHTCRIME, live on stage in West Palm Beach, Jack Posobiec, Charlie Kirk, James Lindsay and Blake Neff explore important questions like:-Is Andrew Tate a hero, a villain, or neither?-Did Ron DeSantis snub Turning Point Action?-Is Barbie star Margot Robbie "Mid"?-What exactly is "courageous" about the U.S. Women's World Cup team?THOUGHTCRIME will stream LIVE exclusively on Rumble, every Thursday night at 8pm ET.Today's sponsors are as follows:Go to https://cbdistillery.com an...
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Our live studio audience here from our Turning Point USA Chapter Leadership Summit.
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We have the Jeb Bush energy going on here, Jack Posobiec.
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I don't know why Jeb is vouchy, but Jeb is vouchy now.
Speaking of Jeb Bush energy, I just had I was looking at my phone because I had to block Doug Burgum messages What is that all about?
Have you guys seen this where Doug Burgum is saying if you give a dollar you get a $20 gift card?
Wasn't this, because Vivek is doing, like, um, you get 10% if you're in, like, a certain club or something, right?
It's like a membership club.
I don't know how it's legal in campaign finance to legally bribe people to be able to become small dollar donors.
None of these people will remember, but the best way to do this was just what George W. Bush did, where if you raise $100,000, he just calls you a maverick or whatever.
Oh, yeah, yeah, like different titles.
No, no, that was McCain.
That was McCain.
No, McCain was the maverick, but you got the stupid title if you donated to W. Bush.
He gave you stupid cowboy things like you were in a western.
So close.
I want to introduce James Lindsay, the great James Lindsay, everybody.
He has his Okay Groomer t-shirt.
Okay Groomer.
Welcome, James.
Thank you, Charlie.
So we're gonna have some fun here, and we have some topics.
Now this show is a little bit different than the traditional Charlie Kirk Show, which, thank you guys for all subscribing.
We'll be announcing our people soon.
Uh, this show, Jack and I co-host it every week on Rumble.
All of you should download the Rumble app, by the way, if you haven't already.
And we talk about topics that, Jack, how would we say this, are not always discussed.
Well, it's sort of like, you know, we each do news shows, basically, on political shows every day of the week, and there's always certain topics that aren't necessarily in the news cycle, or topics, by the way, that may be in the news cycle, but you can really only talk about them on Rumble, because they are inherently thought crimes.
They are thought, like, uh, so what have we done so far?
Have we done fire alarms?
We've done fire alarms, right?
Well, smoke detectors, I'm sorry.
The idea that a certain segment of the population, like Joy Reid, who are idiots, have no ability to actually change the batteries.
We've also done bonus holes.
We've done glory holes.
We've done the bonus holes.
We've done the glory holes.
Every week gives us a new hole that Charlie's not familiar with.
I'm the representative of the homeschool audience, right?
I don't know any of this stuff.
People thought that this was like Charlie doing a bit, and I'm sitting there like, no, Charlie really doesn't know what I'm talking about.
The homeschool to whole school pipeline.
You want to learn a new word?
Homeschool to whole school.
Okay.
This is the opposite of Leviticus.
It is definitely the opposite of the Levitical purity laws.
Do you want to learn a new word?
I would love a new word, James.
Universal vagina.
What is that?
What do you think it is?
It's like a universal remote, maybe?
Well, everybody has one.
It's like opinions.
Everybody has one.
Oh, okay.
That's a woke term.
Is that right?
That's a trans activism term.
Yeah, the universal vagina.
You're starting to get an idea.
Always from, and I will say, we always try to bring it back to virtue and back to goodness.
I'm just over here trying to get you to respect the science, Charlie.
And to trust the science.
Our first topic today, though, we try to keep it somewhat structured or else we'll never get anything done here.
Our first topic is Andrew Tate.
I'm curious, what is your opinion on Andrew Tate?
Raise your hand if it's positive.
Okay.
Raise your hand if it's negative.
Okay, it's about 50-50.
Pretty split crowd.
I'm not an apologist for Andrew Tate.
This is how out of touch I am with this stuff, because I'm too busy actually studying things that matter.
What did I say in the group chat two or three days ago, Jack?
Who is Andrew Tate?
You said, who's Andrew Tate?
I didn't say it that bluntly.
I said, what is the deal?
Yeah, you said...
You said I heard about this guy, but you didn't know what he was about.
You didn't know why, you know, he was so popular and so much being shared to the point where in at least one point of 2022, he was the most Googled man in the entire world.
At least according to Andrew Tate.
Yes.
And so, you know, I, I recently caught a little bit of his discussion with Patrick that dated like a couple minutes, but then when Tucker sat down with him, I said, okay, I'm going to try to figure out what he's all about.
So Understand Andrew Tate is accused of sex trafficking, and he pretty much framed it in a rather deceiving way.
Would you say that's fair, Blake, with Tucker?
Yeah, yeah, he's very much... Something about, like, TikTok videos?
I'm just Al Capone.
I'm indicted for tax stuff, really.
Yeah, I mean, so, but then also, he's also accused of rape.
He didn't mention that with Tucker.
However, I will say this, and I want to discuss this.
Being a first-time viewer and consumer of Andrew Tate, and the other thing is he allegedly ran a camgirl business.
Is that allegedly or that's legit?
No, his website is like, I got rich running a camgirl business.
That I find reprehensible.
But the point, putting that, and you can factor it however you want, how important that is not, listening to him with Tucker for an hour and a half, two hours, I finally, it clicked.
Okay, now I see why he's popular.
He's very smart, he knows what he's doing, and Jack, as you said, he's kind of playing a part of alpha male, perfect posture, kickboxer, and he is hitting on something that you're not allowed to say where there's a lot of truth to it.
Well, Charlie, it's similar to what you talk about all the time, this sort of, we've become a society of the men without chests.
We raise boys to be meek and timid and listen to the consensus and seek the committee assignment rather than to be bold, strong, and assertive.
And then along comes a guy like Tate who says, I'm going to break all the rules and I'm going to make money.
And I'm going to be with lots of women.
God is not happy with the discussion tonight, but that's alright because we're all prayer warriors up here.
Well, at least two of us.
And we can talk about that later too.
Then it gets into this It's essentially filling a niche, right?
It's a niche that society doesn't have, and yet at the same time, for a lot of young, predominantly men, it's someone for them to look, to glom onto, saying, this is a path forward that doesn't Pertain to all the insanity that we see going on, whether it be in Disney, whether it be in schools, etc.
So, I wanna ask, how many of you knew about Andrew Tate, like, a year ago?
How many, raise your hand.
Okay, wow, that, that, I mean, so you got, how many of you are on TikTok regularly?
Raise your hand.
Okay, so they must have found him on some other platform.
No judgment.
What other platform was he popular on?
Well, he, he was really good at, he basically, he took viral celebrity status and, like, turned it into a multi-level marketing thing, so, You would gain status in the Andrew Tate cult, for lack of a better term, by sharing his video clips.
It wouldn't even be that he had one account that he would share stuff on.
It would be that 10,000 accounts were all sharing Andrew Tate clips.
But does it then reach the threshold?
He had virality beyond imagination, talking about what exactly?
That men need to be men, men need to learn how to say no, take responsibility.
But then James, he got cancelled from the internet in a way that only Alex Jones and Donald Trump have before, which was multi-institutional, multi-company, multi-government de-platforming instantaneously.
Why do you think that was?
I mean, I think you guys tapped on it.
He's talking about things you're not allowed to talk about when you have that level of notoriety, that level of reach.
And I say this as not only a non-Andrew Tate fan personally, but somebody who is very much like, who is Andrew Tate?
Yeah, that's kind of my attitude.
Somebody talked about him a lot, you know, it got big last year and I was like, is he that guy that said that stuff about COVID that nobody was allowed to say?
Is that why he's famous?
Who is he?
And I was like, oh, he's a kickboxer.
I don't know who this is.
He was big on, there were some COVID times.
Yeah.
Didn't he have like a viral video about it?
He had a viral video on COVID.
He also got big in crypto because he actually accurately predicted the bottom of Bitcoin bought in when everybody else was getting out, made a ton of money on that with COVID always was extremely outspoken.
And then when he got, you know, he was diagnosed with COVID, he caught it.
He then posted a video the next day of doing like 100 pushups, you know, having this huge response to it, etc, etc.
No, so he's like the perfect character, though.
This is really actually important, Charlie.
Your question gets right to it.
So you have somebody who's saying important truths, who's obviously controversial, who's obviously also in certain ways crossing lines, and I don't mean transgressing lines, not saying taboo things.
And that makes your perfect Alex Jones test case.
That's why, when Alex Jones got kicked off social media, everybody was like, yeah!
Finally!
He's crazy!
He's saying crazy stuff!
And we all started to celebrate our demise.
So this is the way that they build the case to start deplatforming people, is they take a controversial edge case, where some people are like, ah, yeah, he's gotta go, he's over the line, and other people are like, mmm, I think what he's saying is really important, we've gotta argue for it.
That is, like, Bread and butter leftist dialectical warfare space right there.
Because everybody's going to fight, it's going to turn into a huge controversy, that there's a controversy, and then they're going to use that to point it and say, you know, well, this is justified, so many people say it.
That's their game.
So, Blake, can you comment?
Morally, what has Andrew Tate done that is, let's say, less than virtuous?
Well, it does stand out to me that this is all happening in the same two-week period where, like, Sound of Freedom is the number one movie in America, and it's all about human trafficking.
And, like, what he did do is he would publish guides.
He would try to essentially recruit people to pay money to get I don't know if that's the right word for it, but it's in that universe.
And he would get people to pay for this and he would literally brag like, you know, I am so good at this that I can talk to all of these chicks and I can sleep with them really quickly and then I can get them to be in my cam girl business because they're all in love with me and 99% of women will do things that no one else's women will ever do for them because I'm super alpha.
And, you know, I Whether he's fully telling the truth about that or not, like, objectively, that's probably what most human trafficking actually looks like, more so than, like, abducting eight-year-olds in, like, Guatemala and selling them to pedophiles.
Like, there's a lot of this sort of stuff where you essentially, like, you get girlfriends and you get them to do things for you to make money that are not Morally that good and he basically very publicly does that and you know whether he actually raped anyone or not, which he says he didn't it seems indisputably true that he is essentially a digital pimp and You know as as conservatives.
I don't know that we're in favor of digital pimping as it were I don't know you guys should tell yeah, I don't think so but I mean listening to him at length with Tucker when he was starting to pinpoint the The framing of Tate's argument can be summarized as, you're being conquered even though you don't know it, and the way you're being conquered is the slow slitting of the throat of your men.
His argument can be summarized as the West is being invaded from within, and it's happening through the lowering of testosterone rates, the feminizing of your men.
And I think that's a super insightful and albeit somewhat quasi-conspiratorial, but I don't mean that negatively because I actually believe it.
I think that's true, but it's also true...
You know what I mean by conspiratorial.
I mean, lots of different factors have to come together.
It's true, but I think in an era...
- In an era we would regard as a better America and a more masculine America, like Andrew Tate would probably be like run out of town on a rail, as it were. - Because of his behavior or because of his commentary? - Because of his behavior.
- Okay, no, and I don't even, I don't debate that.
I mean, I don't know enough about it.
My inherent gut instinct is when you get kicked off every social media site and indicted by a government, I'm usually like, okay, you're probably a threat Because like Jeffrey Epstein was allowed to traffic children in this town, by the way, for 30 years, and he was allowed to be with the royal family and President of the United States and billionaires.
And so like, people that are like on their moral high horse on Andrew Tate, It's like, slow down, pal.
Like, when are you going to indict Bill Clinton for trafficking kids?
Like, he's been on those planes, too.
Like, oh, no, it's different.
Like, no, he's the president.
He's a kickboxer saying things about men.
Like, it's a selective enforcement of morality check.
The word, um, if you look up Jeffrey Epstein on Wikipedia right now, the word pedophile does not appear even once on that article.
For Epstein?
On Epstein's article, the word pedophile does not appear, but if you pull up anybody who's on the right wing, like, like James O'Keefe is a far-right, et cetera, et cetera, propagandist.
The only place the word pedophile actually appears on Jeffrey Epstein's page is down in one of the footnotes because one of the articles that they sourced used the word in their URL.
That's the only place it appears.
Oh, wow.
And so, I guess the tape thing is, I now understand his virality, whether he's going to go to prison or not in Romania.
It's almost like he's begging them to put him in prison, like he thinks he's gonna get bigger if he's some sort of, like, human trafficking martyr.
To do interviews while you're under active indictment about your charges, it's a good way to kind of provoke the prosecution, and let's remember, it's in Romania, not exactly a country known.
For, like, fair due process and trials and its ability to represent.
Any final thoughts, James, on Andrew Tate before we go to the next topic?
I mean, I agree with that colonizer thing.
I think it's really important.
Talk about that, Bill.
Do you think that there's a slow, invisible slitting of the throat of our men?
Andrew Tate is making the argument that there's, like, an invisible force killing our men in slow motion.
It's not invisible.
It's called feminism.
What the hell are you talking about?
I mean, Simone de Beauvoir lays this out in 1949 in The Second Sex.
I don't mean to get nerdy on your cool show, but like... Oh, we love nerdyism.
The fact is, the whole point of that Second Sex, she asks this famous question, or famous statement she makes.
She says, one is not born, but becomes woman.
And then the whole argument is, well... It's like Michelle Obama.
To grow into a... It's the name of her book!
Her book is Becoming Michelle.
Yeah, well...
Is it not?
I thought there was a... I thought there may have been a slightly... Slightly... That's not a... It's not a double entendre.
What was she before, Charlie?
She's always been Michelle.
100%.
Yeah, so you can get Conspiracy Theorist put on your Wikipedia too.
No, the name of her book, that's all I'm saying!
This is on my Wikipedia, actually, that I'm a Conspiracy Theorist and that, in fact, I called the pride flag the flag of a hostile enemy.
That's what it is.
And then the progress flag with those triangles chatting in, it's like a colonizer flag being colonized in real time.
the perpetual revolution flag.
Love that.
But that's all digression.
Simone de Beauvoir said you can either become a woman on the terms that patriarchy sets or we can figure out how to become a woman independent to those terms.
And that required murdering the patriarchy.
So this slow slitting of the throat of men that Andrew Tate's talking about is 100% legitimate.
It's undermining Western civilization.
It comes from feminism at its kind of very, like, mid-20th century forward heart.
There's no doubt that that's going on.
There's no doubt that the queer theory that erupted out of that is, like I just mentioned, a colonizing force, colonizing Western nations from within, flying their flags on our government buildings, flying their flags on famous streets, Flying their flags on everything.
He's completely right about that, and that's something we should be taking very seriously.
And so if you wanted to take over the West, instead of, I don't know, dropping a nuclear bomb, or having like 5 million Chinese, you know, go to the border, you know, an amphibious invasion of California, wouldn't it be easier to just have your fighting age males kill themselves?
Both literally, and turn them into women, and turn them into weak, Yeah, so where does it start?
We were talking earlier, and you said kind of the essential function of the man is to be able to say no.
So you start saying that the essential function of the man is toxic masculinity, and all of a sudden, they become completely nullified.
Nullified, you know, from the Latin nullum, to make into nothing, or from the German Aufheben, Which is the word that Marxists use for transformation of society, sublation, to a higher spiritual plane.
This is exactly what you would do, is that you would undercut men through these memes like toxic masculinity.
You always say the left can't meme.
Oh, the left can meme.
Toxic masculinity, that's a meme.
Trans women are women, that's a meme.
It's not a little funny card on the internet.
But those things have been devastating, absolutely devastating.
I mean, how many of you feel as if there's an all-out war on men in America, multidimensional?
I mean, this is why Tate is popular, and because he does it in a super provocative way, but also, Jack, the aesthetic of Tate is perfect posture, well-built, Kickboxer.
Exactly.
That's a big part of it, right?
He's training shirtless.
He's going around looking to look, talking to talk.
And look, I don't have anything to hide, and I'll just say it.
People say, so every time Tate comes up, someone will come under their comment and be like, hey, Jack, what's this picture of you and Tate together?
I've had a negative thing.
And so, yeah.
Picture of Tucker and Tate together.
So yeah, Tate came to CPAC.
I guess I don't know four or five years ago and I think we it was like me Paul Joseph Watson a couple of people we got together for lunch on the sidelines then he came and this is back when Trump Tower West was Trump Tower and and Charlie you remember that yep it was like people would come in they would come out it is what it is so you know they're they're gonna say oh look did you know about this did you know about that post so were you part of it I said look
What I'm part of is exactly what James is saying, what Charlie's saying, what Blake is getting into, this idea that we need to fight back for our children, for the boys, for the men out there.
And a lot of this starts, you know, James, you were saying before about how they seek to subvert it at the earliest level.
When I first heard about some of these, I always think of the anti-bullying programs, right?
And for me, and I think for most people, you know, Gen X and like Elder Millennial and up, The anti-bullying program was fight back.
The anti-bullying program was punch them in the nose until it's bloody.
But then the anti-bullying program became go tell the teacher.
Go tell the principal.
Appeal to authority.
Don't assert yourself.
Don't stand up for yourself.
Go look at, was it Charlie in, um, You know, a Christmas story, right?
He finally beats the bully.
He beats Scott Farkas.
He is the one who's then able—or Ralphie.
He is the one who's able to finally stand up for himself, and this is his, you know, coming of age as part of the story.
Well, now, what happens if you have an entire generation of men who never come of age?
Yeah, it's grown infants, right?
It's the Peter Pan lost boys that then run the generation.
Good intentions don't result into good, you know, things, necessarily.
The intention of the bullying movement was, wow, kids are killing themselves and all this, you know, lowering of, you know, people's picture of themselves.
And then the only way you then can continue the anti-bullying movement is to have the whole society then reconfigure, right?
You can't ever have offensive speech.
You can't ever have negative things said about you.
Blake, should we bring back bullying?
It does seem quite possible that all of the 80s bullies were essentially holding back all the neuroses that are now going to destroy Western civilization.
Yes, that's a thought problem.
And, you know, it's like you said, it was all like, oh, we have to stop suicide, and I mean, suicide's not down.
No, it's actually, think about it, the more we've actually gone after bullying, we have the most suicides in the history of young people ever.
So it's not working.
I think there's something to be said for the idea that there needs to be a certain amount of stress in life, and You could almost compare it to, like, weightlifting.
The way weightlifting makes you stronger is it actually stresses your muscles.
It tears them up, and they are rebuilt to be stronger.
And it could be that, you know, social dynamics between young people, it's stressful, it's painful, and it kind of just teaches you to not be a pussy.
And now just everyone's a pussy until they grow up and they finally just... Yeah, I mean, life is really hard, and then here's what ends up happening.
Is if you have a massive anti, and I'm not defending bullying, I think it's, you know, a reprehensible practice in person, but I can say this.
I was made stronger by having to stand up to myself against some really cruel and awful people, and I wouldn't be the person I was today if it was just a soft, fragile environment where someone had to pick my fights for me.
At the time, it was the worst thing ever, and then you stand up to the demon, you stand up to the person who thinks they're strong, and then you reach a level you never thought you could, because you're a lot stronger than you think.
Yeah, or, you know, another comparison could be, like, forest fires.
Whereas, remember when Trump got in all that trouble during his term, because he pointed out, like, actually, you need some fires, otherwise there's the big fire that burns everything down.
So it could be that the proper response to bullying is, like, it's bad, but either stand up for yourself or get over it.
You have to think of what's the function of the bully, because what the bully is actually doing is, and as much as maybe we don't like the method, what they're doing is enforcing a standard.
And so, it's sort of a corollary of removing the bully is that we've also removed all standards at the same time from across the board.
It's also fighting for status, like it's a status anxiety thing, and now you just get status by waging war through institutions.
Here's the key though, is we didn't get rid of bullies, we now made our bullies teachers, and we made bullies government agents.
And instead of now having the proper checks and balances to go against bullies, which is strong people understanding you have to defend yourself in the wild, we have now elevated people that have resentment towards the rest of the world and They turn them into groomers, and so we've institutionalized the bullying against you, the innocent.
James, final thoughts on this, we'll get to the next segment.
Yeah, listen, so what we've done is that we've turned- we've changed who the bullies are and made them invincible, which is the worst possible recipe that you could have.
When you talk about- I actually am a little in an odd place.
I think I'm the most pro-bullying person on the panel, with the possible exception of Jack.
I think- and it serves a very important function as a matter of- What are you saying?
Hey.
Hey.
You know, Jack, you and I met here, on this stage.
I'm trying to have a moment with you.
You mean, you mean met in, like, you mean met in, like, the biblical sense, or?
No, we were on a stage, dude.
Calm down.
Oh, oh, right, right.
No, that's later.
You didn't say what kind of stage.
Well, we are talking about Andrew Tate.
So, no, yeah, well, we are, that's true.
So, no, bullying, I'm fairly pro-bullying, actually, in its context.
It does have to have breaks put on it.
It does have to be...
Controlled.
It can get out of control and cause problems.
Hospital, not morgue.
But there are two things here that are both getting neutered in the process.
So one of the things is how do you deal with the bully?
Well, you talk about how, Charlie, you rose to the challenge and it changed who you are.
You grew into who you are.
It improved my life.
Well, male mentorship is meant to teach how to deal with that.
That's exactly right.
And we're losing that because now it's not even a teacher you're supposed to talk to.
It's a trusted adult, which means a groomer.
That's what they call groomers now, is trusted adults.
Go find a trusted adult.
They'll take you to the GSA after school.
Love bomb you, and next thing you know, you're on hormones.
That actually makes me think of a thought crime, Charlie.
What happens if you have fatherless households in various aspects of society that grow up without that masculine mentorship, that never actually learn what positive masculinity is all about?
What happens to those girls?
No, to the young boys.
Oh, well, we know the girls, they end up hooking up with a lot of dangerous, adventurous men and are never able to have a stable relationship, largely.
Yes.
Right?
They end up, like, going from man to man of, like, quasi-criminal... Or... This is not even, like, a thought crime.
This is psychological.
Or they become fatherless behavior.
What?
Or they become the man.
Or they become the man.
But more they... The most sexual young girls are people that do not have strong male figures.
Right.
Yeah, that's just a fact.
And so then... But what happens to the young men without father figures?
Yes.
I mean, I actually really haven't thought deeply about that.
What ends up happening?
- Well, I mean-- - They become super violent, they become like lesser versions of themselves, I guess.
They become like narco-drug criminals, basically.
- Right, because you don't realize that, you know, like, just something I think about even with my kids, right?
So we'll be, you know, I'll get home and the very first thing they want to do is pounce, right?
When I get home from work and it's like, Daddy's home, we're gonna go wrestle.
And, but at the same time, like, we might be throwing each other around the room, but because I've got two little boys, you know, you always kind of make sure that, hey, everyone's okay at the same time.
We understand there's a certain line that won't be crossed.
And so something that I think about that occurred to me just while, you know, throwing my kids around the room, It's a great way to get stress out, by the way, especially when you're stressing your kids.
You're also teaching them that, yes, by being a man you do have physical strength, you have emotional strength, but there's also limitations, and there's also rules, and there's responsibilities inherent to that.
So, speaking of limitations, and I segue to our next topic.
Hold up, hold up.
Let me finish, because this is important.
Okay, James.
I know I can.
Thank you, Charlie, though.
Because I gotta tell you why I'm pro-bullying and I didn't get there.
It's not about male mentorship.
What did I tell you on your show last time I sat down in Phoenix with you?
I said it was the most dangerous thing in the universe.
A frustrated nerd.
A frustrated academic is actually what I said.
Yes.
Right?
Bullying actually takes your academic narcissist And knocks them off their pedestal.
These people who think they know how to organize society for everybody else because they're off in their academic theory that they spun up, used to get hit in the head.
They used to get their lunch money taken from them.
They used to get shot in a locker.
They used to get called names.
They used to get turned upside down.
They used to get wedgies.
I'm not saying that those are necessarily the best way to deal with them, but they used to get knocked down several pegs.
So like Pete Buttigieg used to be thrown in a locker and now he's Transportation Secretary.
This is the thing, though.
Frustrated academics need to be knocked down off their high horse.
Isn't Transportation Secretary like the locker of the cabinet?
I mean, it's already a cabinet, Blake.
Yeah.
So, James, to complete your point, the way that we stop ourselves from tyrannical nerds is to bring back bullying.
Well, I mean, it's got to be done.
You've got to keep an eye on it.
The James Lindsay Institute of Bullying.
I see it coming, folks.
I see it coming.
I think we've won over half the room.
Not the other half.
Okay, let's get to the next topic here.
Speaking of limitations, I know you are all excited for our Action Conference this weekend, right?
It's going to be amazing.
Now, I'm very curious.
Okay, if you were to vote today, who would you vote for Trump?
Raise your hands.
Who would vote for Trump?
Would you say that's 80%, Jack?
Yeah, it's about 80.
Well, I'll get to the other options, but it's not even close, obviously.
How about DeSantis?
Raise your hand.
Okay.
It's about 15 people.
So, Donald Trump will be here.
Vivek Ramaswamy.
Anyone for Vivek?
You big Vivek?
Vivek?
Vivek?
You voted three times, you voter fraud.
That is voter fraud.
Voted for all three people.
Who's voting for Doug Burgum?
Who's voting for Doug Burgum?
Burgumentum?
You're a Doug Burgum guy?
Because you got the gift card, probably, per voter bribery.
I'm not voting for him, but I'm donating to him.
Yeah, donating.
It's the weirdest donation scheme ever.
I will give a dollar and I will receive... It's actually reverse money laundering.
The whole thing is so weird.
Okay, so, Nikki Haley, anybody?
Nikki, Nikki, Nikki.
Mike Pence, any big Mike Pence people?
Mike Pence?
Nope, not... Oh no, he gets booze!
The first one.
You're a Chris Christie guy?
That would be interesting.
Um, Crispy Chris.
Who am I forgetting?
Tim Scott?
Any Tim Scott people?
Tim, Tim, Tim?
Tim Scott's the new one, right?
Tim, we all love Tim Scott now.
Uh, no one for Tim Scott.
Asa Hutchinson?
Asa Hutchinson.
Who will be here?
Uh, who will be here?
Uh, okay, so I think, I think we've exhausted the list.
Well, we'll heard Mr. CIA himself.
Right.
Okay.
If I listed every candidate, Jack, we'd be here till Tuesday.
So, we have a whole bunch of people coming.
President Donald Trump will be here.
Tucker Carlson, which you guys are, I'm sure, excited to hear from.
Megyn Kelly.
We love Tucker.
Steve Bannon, Dan Bongino, Don Jr., Senator Ted Cruz, Senator J.D.
Vance, Senator Eric Schmidt.
Lineup is unbelievable, everybody.
You guys are in the center of it all, but noticeably missing from it is Governor Ron DeSantis.
Governor Ron DeSantis declined, and he is not attending.
Jack, how should we think?
You see, they're murmuring, they're booing, and you know what?
You guys have a right to do that because he's going to be in the state, and it's obviously not a priority to speak to 6,000 activists and 2,000 students that are making things happen.
What's going on, Jack?
Why does he not have respect for the Turning Point students?
Well, you know, Charlie, just looking at it from, and you know, I mean, it's tough, right?
I'm here at the event.
We do a lot with Turning Point, so it's tough for me to be objective about this.
But if I try to be objective and pull myself out of it, you really have to look at it and say, there are polls, floridapolitics.com has this out.
If you go look at the Florida Atlantic University poll, it says that right now, Ron DeSantis is down with Trump with under 45 voters by 50 points.
A 50-point deficit with under 45 voters, which as Florida politics pointed out, is significant because Ron DeSantis himself is under 45.
He's actually 44, so he's a member of his own cohort.
This is the demographic that he, and I didn't look at all the crosstabs, but I think that was the largest delta of the largest deficit of any group that he had across the board.
His highest was actually with over 65s.
Now, in Florida, that helps, but across the country, you certainly need more of the youth vote.
And then at the same time, Charlie, to your point, and of course, To the people who are in this room right now, this select few, you understand the importance of youth activism.
You understand that the people that are coming to a turning point event, this isn't just like a young conservative event.
No, these are the most switched on, the most active, the most boots on the ground that are going to go back to, and I think Charlie, correct me if I'm wrong, but we're going to have all 50 states.
You know, here's the other thing, Jack, is that yes, we are best known as a student organization.
But as I grow and we grow, the organization grows, we're going to have 300 pastors here.
You've been around our pastors, James.
These are serious people.
Yeah, they're switched on too.
250 social media ambassadors, 500 donors, 10 billionaires, 140 members of the press.
So he's not just snubbing young people.
He's saying to the entire base, I have something more important to do.
Right, so you've got a reflective slice of the entire base.
6,000 people, Jack.
I just got 6,000.
Plus the amount of people that they touch through their social media followings, through their congregations, through their chapters, etc, etc.
And so if you're running for president, you've got to win those people over.
You must do this.
Let's play the devil's advocate, Blake.
Okay, but he's probably saying on his team, This is a Trumpy crowd.
This is MAGA.
I don't want to get a negative reaction.
So I'm not going to play ball.
Can you win a primary by avoiding voters you need to win over?
I don't think you can.
It's like...
Okay, you're running for president.
And yeah, is Trump really popular?
Yeah.
Is he kind of a dominant personality?
Yeah.
Can his supporters be pretty rough with people?
Yeah.
Well, you chose to enter a race against him.
You have to beat him.
How are you going to win the voters?
How many fairy tales are there where the hero is like, I'm going to run away from the dragon, hide from the dragon, and then TLDR, they win somehow at the end.
But that's the anti-bullying fairytale, right?
I'm gonna report the dragon.
Lord of the Rings, we're gonna go hide as far away as possible and the ring will just fall into Mount Doom.
Yeah, so James...
I mean, you're looking at this kind of as an outsider insider, you know us really well.
What do you think?
I mean, can you speak to the missed opportunity that this very you speak to a lot of turning point stuff, you know, we have something special going on here.
Yeah.
I mean, I told you this earlier today is this is the highest energy group.
I mean, I can get a little bit around the edges.
It kind of happened on Twitter.
It's the highest energy group in politics that there is in the country.
It's got the widest reach, the opportunity to skip getting to talk to this.
When you're running for president in particular, it's just mind-boggling.
I was kind of hoping you weren't going to ask me to talk about it because I'm just confused.
Are you comfortable sharing what you said privately?
If not, that's fine on the DeSantis stuff.
I mean, I can get a little bit around the edges.
It kind of happened on Twitter.
Part of it did.
I was on Twitter and I criticized something that the governor's wife, one of her initiatives that she put out about resilience.
I think people should pay very close attention.
I don't necessarily think that people have bad intentions here, but the word resilience is a very captured term.
If you follow that World Economic Forum, you'll find that that's one of their like five major words they care about for the future.
It's literally a more sustainable, inclusive, and resilient world.
Oh, because it's like sustainable.
Yeah, it's way up there.
What resilience means, by the way, in woke speak, is taking your indoctrination and not complaining.
Because otherwise you're fragile.
Remember white fragility?
Hey Jack, you're a racist.
No, I'm not.
White fragility.
The opposite of that would be resilience.
Hey Jack, you're a racist.
Thank you, may I have another?
That's resilience.
In the military they'd call that counter-interrogation training.
Well, yeah.
Same idea.
So I said, this is poorly branded.
And they went after me.
Who went after you?
Jeremy Redfern.
The press secretary for the governor?
Yes.
So he's like, you're scared of words, James.
I'm like, really?
Jeremy, you're going to do this to me on social media?
Wrong place, bro.
Yeah, but it's just like, that's a strange, like, Twitter policing.
It turned into this weird Twitter policing thing, and so then Some people from the office called me later and told me I need to apologize to the First Lady, and I was like, what?
And I won't repeat the F word that I said.
They asked you to apologize to Casey Desantis?
Yes.
Publicly.
Publicly.
I recall another presidential campaign that demanded apologies to, like, the candidate's wife, and it didn't end well for them.
Yeah.
Which campaign was that?
Remember Jeb Bush?
Jeb Bush.
Oh, is that right?
You have to apologize to my wife.
Why I said nothing wrong.
So, I mean, I just, I want to build this out a little bit before we get to the next topic here and also talk about one of our partners.
This is a big event.
The primary, Jack, you're going to Iowa tomorrow as well.
I'm going to sniff him out.
I'm going to sniff him out.
Where DeSantis will be.
With Tucker.
Trump will not be.
Just getting down to you.
is so moved by the work you guys are doing on the first phone call.
He's like, I want to talk to your kids 100%.
That's how much he cares about what you guys are doing.
I really hope I hope that you understand that the governor's team does not does not have that same sort of attachment evidently.
So but but Jack just talking from like Let's map this out.
Let's think about this a little bit more creatively.
If you were DeSantis, how should you have handled this?
This is what I think he should have done.
He should have called our team and said, I want to buy a booth.
I'd like to have a thousand tickets.
I'd like to have a sponsorship.
I would like to have, I want a good speaking slot.
I want to host an influencer reception.
God knows he's got enough influencers in South Florida, like every one of the Twitter people that support him live around here.
And then what Ron DeSantis should do, but he won't, is he should have come up on stage and do what I do on college campuses.
Open mic, disagree, go to the front of the line, let's have it out.
You would have respected DeSantis if he did that, right?
100%.
But he's not doing that because he doesn't have that energy.
Trump would do that.
Trump would be like, I'm the Alpha.
Kaitlin Collins, you disagree?
Ask me anything.
Everyone was thinking that was a terrible idea for Trump.
I did.
I did in particular.
It's an ambush.
I thought it was great.
They're going to try to trap him.
He's like, I'm going to go on CNN.
And that's what we wanted to see.
And then all of a sudden it's just like, I am the biggest beast there is and you can't come.
through me.
If DeSantis would have come here and did an open mic and every one of the objections, people would be like, oh, I think you're a globalist.
And he could have responded with however he would have responded, which probably wouldn't have been pretty good.
He would have gone up in people's respect and people would have been like, you know what, that's a guy he would take on the FBI.
Instead, how is he going to take on the FBI if he's not willing to talk to college?
And I said this as well.
You're running for president, right?
And And, you know, even if this one doesn't work out, then, you know, potentially there are Florida Senate seats that could be opened up here.
Rick Scott might be getting out.
He's been talking about going back to his old job.
You know, Rubio, who knows what's going on there.
And then there's potential other runs in the future, obviously.
And so the way that you categorize yourself now is going to carry with you, right?
There's a reason we don't talk about Scott Walker anymore.
There's a reason that Jeb Bush is a punchline now that Mike Pence is rapidly becoming himself.
There's a reason that, you know, I'll just say it, like Ted Cruz, he's in the Senate of Texas.
I don't know where else he goes after that.
He's a Texas Senator, probably as long as he wants to be, and I think he's a fantastic Texas Senator, but there are levels to this, right?
And you have to deal with reality.
And maybe you need some bullies around to explain that to people, but Blake, to your point... But here's the thing, Trump is the bully.
And honestly, I want him to go bully the FBI right now.
Exactly.
I want Trump to go bully.
Exactly.
I want him to be our bully against these woke commies.
And yeah, if you're going to run against him in the primary, he's not going to allow himself to lose.
Then run!
Then run!
Yeah, then actually run and play the game.
Don't run ads and just go to donor events.
Where's the DeSantis boats going up and down the inter-causeway?
You know, where's the... And you know what's so bad about it is he's actually a great governor.
He's an objectively great governor with real policy accomplishments and a real conservative.
I'm being honest.
I don't want to lie about it.
I think everyone agrees.
He's been a great governor who now is messing up an opportunity to actually improve our party.
- I genuinely hope it doesn't permanently ruin either him or ruin the relationship between him and Trump. - It's souring by the minute. - It is, it is very strongly, but we've seen this before.
Because I think it's not just that he's been a good governor, but he does, to some extent, fill holes in Trump's game, which is, he is very execution focused, and I think to the extent there's a flaw with Trump is that he isn't always execution focused.
Imagine if they worked together.
Yeah.
I just, I keep saying it.
Imagine if, imagine if Trump was the one who had to, you know, do his press conferences, take all of the flack from the press, while his chief of staff, or secretary, or AG, or whatever you want DeSantis to do, does a million things that are ultra-controversial every day in a second Trump administration.
I think that could be incredibly powerful.
James, you have any closing thoughts on this?
The only thought, I mean, like I said, I hope you didn't ask me too much about DeSantis personally, because I'm just like, why is he doing this?
Okay.
But I did have the privilege of just hearing both of them speak, actually, like last week.
You know, DeSantis gave a great talk.
He's very policy-oriented.
He could have given a great talk here.
It's a missed opportunity.
It is what it is.
But that energy that you were talking about with Trump was definitely there.
Just another anecdote.
During his talk, and before his talk, in kind of a pre-event meet-and-greet, he did it three times, I know of at least.
There's probably more.
But he said, they said I can't say this.
I don't care.
And then he said it.
That's the kind of energy that we actually need.
They said we can't say this, and I don't care.
I'll say it anyway.
I don't have a good comment about Mr. DeSantis on this one, but I see the energy with Trump is still there.
Yep, it is what it is, and we're thrilled that he's I will say this.
He wants to earn the nomination.
Charlie, can I ask you something?
Yeah, sure.
How do you think it's gonna go tomorrow with Tucker and DeSantis?
I have no idea.
I mean, I've heard whispers that, you know, Tucker's gonna let him have it.
Here's, I mean, Tucker and every... My favorite part of the Andrew Tate interview.
Is when Tucker asks him about Ukraine.
I'm like, he just can't help himself.
Like, every time Tucker's in an interview, it's like, it has to... And I'm the same way.
Yeah, but that's my point.
Like, don't you think he's going to ask him about... That's what I'm getting to.
It's like, it's impossible.
I mean, is Nikki Haley really going to take questions from Tucker Carlson?
Please do.
It's like, please?
I mean, I want to see that.
I'm even sitting there with popcorn, like, let's go.
Is Mike Pence really going to take questions from Tucker Carlson?
Mike Pence might get knocked out of the race tomorrow.
By Tucker Carlson.
I mean, do we even think he's still running?
Like, I mean, so yeah, I mean, I hope Tucker lets them all have it and says, why on earth are you, Mike Pence, visiting Ukraine while we have 10,000 people invading our country on a daily basis?
He has the perfect out.
He could just say he's running for president of Ukraine.
Yes, but that would require him to be honest.
And he's like, I mean, why are you going to Ukraine?
Like how many delegates?
When is the Ukrainian primary?
I'm really confused.
You know, you have to be careful with that question.
They just said they're not having elections.
You have to be careful with that question because I don't think we can rule out that the GOP would give Ukraine delegates.
Oh no!
I could see Mitch McConnell being like, - It's so messed up. - It's so true. - And the delegates for Lvov cast their votes for-- - The cave delegation is very in favor of Mike Pence. - The turtle.
So, it's a missed opportunity by Ron DeSantis, and it's too bad.
Okay, you guys can email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
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That is PublicSQ.com.
It is your navigational tool.
You might say, what is Public Square?
Are you sick of Target grooming our kids?
Are you sick of these businesses going after us?
Public Square is a way where you could find all the businesses near you when you travel, or you go to college, or your hometown, or whatever, that share your values.
So if you want to go get your car fixed, if you want to go get a cup of coffee, it's called the Public Square app.
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Or, hey, you know, we're here for a couple days.
What if I told you that in West Palm Beach, there are dozens of conservative businesses that you can go in and you can say, you know what?
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You find out through the Public Square app.
They are creating A conservative Yelp, and they're growing like crazy.
Jack, we love Public Square, don't we?
I mean, Public Square is great, especially if you're someone who, like, I always say this, but like my wife, Tanya Tay, who, you know, she wants to contribute, she wants to give back, she's running the family, she's taking care of the kids.
She wants to know which companies are good, which ones are bad.
By the way, Charlie, you'll appreciate this.
I said something to her the other day, and I happened to mention Target, and she said, she looked at me and goes, I'm boycotting Target.
And I said, that's great.
But then I said, where are we going?
And she said, I'm not sure.
That's where Public Square comes in.
Yeah, that's where Public Square is.
So download the Public Square app.
James, have you downloaded it?
Are you familiar with it?
I had no idea about it.
No, it's a game changer.
You got to look at it.
They're growing like crazy.
In fact, they're actually going to be publicly listed.
On the New York Stock Exchange, I think next week.
They have a new diaper company too, EveryLife.com.
EveryLife is so cool.
It's so cool.
Because all the diaper companies, I know this is not gonna be the demographic yet that cares about this, but you will spend a lot of money on diapers, okay?
Hi.
Yeah, I mean, thousands of dollars.
You have no idea.
It's unbelievable.
And by the way, I found out the diaper company that we're buying from, Cotier or whatever, pro-abortion.
Pro-abortion diaper companies.
I mean, you think about that, right?
I mean, you would think like you'd want more babies for your own business model.
This is where the Libertarians get it wrong.
And I'm sorry, Libertarians, but you'd think like... Some Libertarians are pro-life.
But a lot of the Libertarians... Not all of them.
Ron Paul's pro-life, by the way.
So is Rand Paul.
So is Rand Paul, obviously.
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Okay, let's go to Jonah Hill.
Have you guys seen this story?
Yes?
No?
Maybe?
I read this and I said... Huh?
I don't think it needs that much... What?
Yeah.
You guys know who Jonah Hill is?
You don't know who Jonah Hill is?
You guys never seen Moneyball?
Yeah.
Do you guys know who Jonah Hill is?
You don't know who Jonah Hill is?
You guys never seen Moneyball?
Superbad?
Alright, okay, there's help.
Is this the woman that they're saying is a mid?
No, that's Marjo Robbie.
Do you guys know who that is?
She is mid?
Wow.
Okay.
That's quite a take.
We'd love to see somebody defend that one.
Let's read it.
So Jonah Hill comes out and texts his girlfriend, who now she publicizes these text messages, stating the following.
To be clear, this is his ex-girlfriend.
About a year and a half ago, and he's with someone else now, and they just had a baby apparently, and this seems to have broken her brain to some extent.
These texts were from when they were together a year and a half in the past.
They are not together now.
So Jonah Hill sent a flurry of messages.
Plain and simple.
If you need surfing with men, boundaryless inappropriate friendships with men, if you need to model to post pictures of yourself in a bathing suit, to post sexual pictures, friendships with women who are in unstable places and from your wild recent past beyond getting a lunch or coffee or something respectful, I am not the right partner friendships with women who are in unstable places and from your wild If these things bring you to a place of happiness, I support it, and there will be no hard feelings.
These are my boundaries for romantic partnership.
My boundaries with you based on the way these actions have hurt our trust.
It's just constant and doesn't reflect where we're at or where you want to be.
I respect your skill in your surfing.
I respect how you want to present yourself.
I respect that you're hot and beautiful.
I respect however you want to live, but I also respect myself and what I'm interested in my own life and what I let into my heart and my inner circle.
So celebrate yourself and life however you please and shine bright, but I don't want to have to deal with it.
Is Jonah Hill wrong?
And he keeps on going.
It's the same thing.
Is he the most abusive man to ever live?
No, I think Jonah Hill's 100% right.
Wait, wait, explain why you're saying that.
Because one, they're literally hyping it, like, he is the most abusive man in the world.
Emotionally abusive.
There have been, like, Twitter feminists and white knights coming out and saying that this is the most abusive, gaslighting, narcissistic action that a man has ever taken.
The person who first wrote, like, gaslighting as a modern essay, like, to describe behavior, is responsible for a lot, because it is now the most overused term.
Yeah, just because a man is talking does not mean he's gaslighting, and just because a man has an opinion, it doesn't make him a narcissist.
Sorry, women.
See, that's the toxic masculinity thing.
That's what it did to us, is people are confused about that.
Exactly.
Yeah, totally.
It's also like the Redditification of the human race or something.
There's like a subreddit called Raised by Narcissists, where a bunch of narcissists complain about how everyone else is a narcissist.
Narcissist Inception?
Basically, and so now we have this giant civil war and I will say I think I wouldn't say Jonah Hill is blameless in this because I think he probably did buy into this like therapy speak cult that This is not the way I would necessarily always want to communicate with someone, but he is following a script that is set for him, and it is sort of proof that you can't win.
Like, he is doing exactly what you're supposed to do according to these people, and their reaction is to call it super abusive.
But that's my point to begin with, right?
Is that, so, is he being abusive?
No, he's not being abusive.
He's talking already, he's using this therapy speak to your point that That is what the modern man, who's in touch with his feelings, is told to say.
You need to respect my boundaries.
You need to respect our relationship.
This is her trust in the past.
This is our trust.
And I want you to be happy, and I want to respect yourself.
It's like Jonah.
Just man up.
If you don't like what she's doing, walk away.
Just leave.
And if she is doing that, then bounce.
Just bounce, bro.
Which I guess he did, apparently.
What would Andrew Tate do?
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, it's like, why are you, as a man, trying to act like a woman and to get your wife, or not even your wife, your girlfriend at this point, to enter into this sort of traditional relationship roles?
And that's something where, it's funny, because when this came up, I was talking to my wife about this, and my wife, coming from Eastern Europe, does not have, like, any of the woke programming mind virus crap.
That's good.
If you're in a relationship with somebody, why are you going and hanging out with people of the other sex?
Like, that's just not something that's done in traditional cultures.
Yet in the West, we constantly push that, oh no, those are just my guy friends, oh no, like, it's cool, I can hang out with some girls and it's not you.
Like, no.
That's totally inappropriate.
That's maybe not cool and not appropriate.
And I'm not saying we need to go, like, full Taliban and, you know, you're not allowed to leave the house if you're a single woman without a man that you're related to.
Women should not have men friends if you're in a relationship, period.
But that's right, and that's what Tanya said.
She said, I would never do that to you, and it would never occur to her to do that to me.
No, it's deeply unhealthy and results in affairs, cheating, or gossiping relationships that are really deeply hurtful.
I don't know, I read these Jonah texts and I actually have respect for him to tell his girlfriend to stop acting slutty on social media and be like, I don't want to be with you if you're going to be like that.
I totally respect that.
I think he's kind of being a little bit like, I'm going to draw a line, and if not, go be your own person.
He's trying.
He's trying, but he's doing so within- But it's also unfair, this is a private conversation that got leaked too.
whoever this deranged lunatic woman is, and they're like, "Oh, he's so controlling." Like, yeah, apparently he's laying out a pretty bad case against you, that what, your boundaryless inappropriate friendships with men, posting pictures of yourself in a bathing suit, totally inappropriate in a relationship, friendships with women who are in unstable places.
A fun angle to this is that the bathing suit thing is she works as a surf instructor, at least on the side, and they're like, he's destroying her career.
This is an attack on, you know, the equality of their careers.
Well, I looked it up and she has like 9,000 Instagram followers or something.
That's it?
Maybe it was more than that.
It was a low amount considering she had been mega in the news for several years.
And, you know, in comparison, like, He's a movie star.
Even if he is a star famous for playing, like, fat accountants, he's still a movie star.
And it just felt very strange to be like, oh, he's derailing her career, oh my gosh.
She's like in law school now.
Don't go to law school.
The issue, I mean, it actually does have a ton of layers to it, right?
Is he acting, and maybe James, you can get your take on this, is he trying, it's like he's trying to be assertive, but he doesn't know how to have masculine assertiveness because he only thinks he's allowed to in this sort of feminized therapy group session kind of thing, which by the way, if you go to couples therapy,
Then the therapist will simply just say, whatever the man says is wrong, whatever the woman says is right, whatever makes her happy is good, and whatever the man does is bad.
That's part of this, which is part of the justification for her blowing this up publicly is he has been very public about like his...
Working relationship with his therapist, and they've essentially tried to cancel his therapist as well for like taking his side in some of these... So is it the same therapist?
I don't know if it was always the same one.
I try not to read too much celebrity gossip, otherwise you become gay over time.
Uh, and so, but apparently, like, yeah, this is obviously happening.
They're like this evil therapist who sided with this abusive man.
No, but that's what happened in Germany.
It's controlling behavior.
It's like Prince Harry and Meghan, right?
So this is the same thing.
Like, Prince Harry used to be the one who was, like, going to Afghanistan and smoking terrorists.
And now he comes in and he's like, you know, I feel so bad.
And you know, my daddy called me a naughty, you know, a naughty word.
And he said something about Megan.
And I think he looked at her racistly.
He looked at her racistly a little bit.
And he starts like crying up there.
And it's like, dude, you were the good one.
You were the cool one.
The sad thing is, is we know that's going to end with her accusing him of being emotionally abusive.
That divorce is going to be epic.
They're gonna need to send the SAS to, like, extract this royal princeling from Los Angeles.
He might not make it out alive.
He made it out of Afghanistan alive, but he may not make it out of Megan alive.
So that was a weird setup, guys.
James, your thoughts?
So I kind of agree with Charlie.
I think, like, whatever.
This is how the guy said, look, I'm not comfortable with this, do what you want.
If you want to go be somebody else, it's not my business to police you, see you by, whatever.
Fine.
Good for him.
If that's how he communicates, that's how he communicates.
I don't care if he's in therapeutic culture.
I don't care.
It's, like, fine by me.
Whatever.
What I see is this pattern that you guys just kind of, like, megamarkled out on is, in this case, is likely the case, given why these texts are in front of us in the first place, is the unbelievable pathology that a man will twist himself into to get with an unhealthy woman.
Yep.
You will break yourself and I've seen this happen so many times with so many men.
You will find that there's a woman and she's a bit of a narcissist and you will twist yourself in knots where everything she does is okay so that you can continue to be her narcissistic supply.
I can fix her.
I can fix her.
It's not even I can fix her.
It's like she's probably hot.
She's probably fun to be around and then you're like I have all this benefit and then you're actually kind of trapped because Look what happened.
He draws his lines, whatever.
He moves on with his life.
He ends up having a kid and she's like, nuclear bomb on your life, dude.
James, are you referring to the Hot Crazy Matrix?
Well, I mean, it's obviously relevant.
Because if you're up there in that zone... How many of you guys know what we're talking about?
The Hot Crazy Matrix?
The Hot Crazy Matrix is, like, in the Bible.
Yeah, this is... That's in Leviticus.
Also Leviticus.
Also, yeah.
This is your redheads, this is your strippers, your hairdressers, your women named Tiffany.
I heard one time that anytime, you know, something is going too well in your life, God will send you a woman whose name ends with an A. He actually follows me.
So it's a woman whose name ends with an A. Sorry, girls.
Sorry to any Tiffany's out there.
The fact of the matter is, though, that chasing... So listen, young man, let me give you some Andrew Tate advice.
Let's go, young James.
Chasing a emotionally unhealthy woman, and you can usually tell who they are because they post too much of themselves on social media.
It's true.
Will break you.
You have to be extraordinary levels of base to be able to pull back from that and not cause that to have problems.
I've had serious friends get completely warped around a narcissistic woman.
Narcissism isn't just a problem with Wokeys, it's a problem more broadly.
And you see what can happen.
You get this kind of like permafed mentality where anything you do later may be held against you.
Well, Charlie, you actually talk about this because, you know, this is the intersection of where social media actually feeds this kind of behavior.
Yeah, no, the social media, when you think about it, so what are you doing here tonight on a Thursday night and this weekend?
You're being social.
The people right now on social media are being anti-social.
And so the actually the most anti-social people engage the most on social media like Jack and so kidding Jack.
So and but you think that the incentive structure on social media is to get really, really good and hyper engaged and to get things to go viral.
Unless you're doing something super interesting in the real world that then translates into actual social media content people want to see, then the anti-social people engage the most in the platform that's supposed to be a reflection of socialization.
So it's the actual inverse.
Right.
And because you have to spend so much time and you actually burrow yourself in.
And then it doesn't become a reflection of reality.
It becomes a reflection of a pathology.
Well, you're cloud chasing.
Yes, exactly.
That's a short way to say it.
You're just cloud chasing.
Yeah, there's a there's a nerdy word for that called parasocial.
Parasocial relationships.
Parasocial relationships.
If you confuse those for real social relationships, you're lost.
If you don't have any real social relationships and they're all parasocial, you're lost.
It's a really bad place to be.
We could get a full Jordan Peterson on this, though, because he very famously at one point said, you know, well, the difference between the Internet is that male aggression doesn't upload, but female aggression uploads very well.
But what actually really uploads really, really well is personality disorders.
And that antisocial behavior And to use a less, you know, nerdy term, too many parasocial relationships leads to becoming a pay pig.
And you don't want to be a pay pig.
in fact feed these broadly cluster B personality disorders that are running rampant and causing dysfunction throughout our society and end with children cutting their genitals off.
And to use a less, you know, nerdy term, too many parasocial relationships leads to becoming a pay pig.
You don't want to be a pay pig.
You definitely don't want to be a pay pig, Charlie.
It's the same thing as being a fin dom.
To be a fin dom?
A fin dom.
What is that?
It's the inverse of being a fin dom.
You'd be a fin sub.
- Fin Dom. - What is that? - What I say is the inverse of being a Fin Dom.
The inverse of being a Fin Dom.
You'd be a Fin sub. - Got it. - So we're coming full circle.
I don't think he's got it.
We'll go full circle.
Should we explain to Charlie what a fin sub and a pay pig are?
Should we explain to Charlie?
Is Jack bullying Charlie?
So no, well, this is part of the thought crime.
So it's basically, I can explain this very easily because we just talked about Andrew Tate and his former business, right?
Running Cam Girls.
So this would be the customer base for that.
This would be the marks.
This would be the targets of the men who are then watching the camera girls, who then, if they really get hooked in, what Andrew Tate has, and he's talked about this publicly, that he would actually take over the girls' accounts and then start finding all the different ways to get the men to send more and more money.
Well, now I know.
And then they're paypigs, which is just a fun word to say over and over again, especially around people who don't know what it means.
And with that, we hit a new all-time high for simultaneous viewers.
How many people do we have watching?
Over 5,000.
5,146 right now.
Oh, wow.
Nice.
There we go.
Let's take some questions with the time we have remaining.
Do we have the ability to do that with some mics and stuff?
I'd love to do.
We can just repeat the question.
Yeah, we do.
Where's the guy who said Margot Robbie was a mid?
I want him up.
Do you want to ask a question?
Defend it.
Defend it!
No courage these days.
I know, right?
Thank you.
It's all the anti-bullying.
Hey, guys.
I'm Josiah Martin from upstate New York, chapter president and a small business owner.
And I resonate with what Charlie said earlier about being an entrepreneur.
And my goal is in life is to become that entrepreneur.
And I was just wondering what advice you'd have for me.
I've looked up to you guys a lot, especially Charlie and the ambition that you have in growing.
Turning point and I would love to hear what you'd have for me as a small business owner to grow and also How do we get more young people to become owners?
Are you in college?
No, okay.
Good.
That's the first thing don't go to college if you want to So the the first thing is you must I mean I don't want to speak for everybody here but a couple things when it comes to business is When you have very little take the biggest possible risk.
So if while while you're small you should.
That's the time to take risk.
Be very careful with debt.
Try to operate debt free.
So when I take risk I'm talking about leveraging what you can lose without actually having to go into the negative.
Right.
So basically your time.
The best investment you can make is in yourself because that is an investment that appreciates over time.
So in your knowledge, your wisdom, your body, your physique, your vitality, your energy.
And so when you're a small business, you are the business.
So you must invest yourself and you have to outwork your highest working employee by two.
Right.
So not just not just in hours, but just in commitment and in all those different things.
And you have to set the pace.
So once the business starts to get to scale 10 to 15, 20 to 25, 30 to 35, then all of a sudden, your job as a leader is less of doing the work, casting the vision, and then getting proper information and data and making sure that that vision is constantly being fulfilled.
And it's just a nonstop thing of building a good team, finding loyal people, hiring the right people, firing the bad people, kind of repeating that.
And then there will be an inflection point after 18 to 24 months where you have to decide if you actually want to keep doing whatever you're doing.
What kind of business are you in, by the way?
We make handmade pretzels and also retail.
Oh, that's amazing.
So, I mean, you could potentially become a billionaire in that.
Not kidding, right?
Like there's people have made billionaires, become billionaires in all sorts of different Auntie Anne's and Starbucks, Dunkin' Donuts.
And so you're in a very labor-intensive business and a low-margin, high-volume business that in some ways has been commoditized.
So you need to find a way to try to find a differentiator, either in branding or recipe, quality, and all that stuff raises the price and the cost.
So how do you compensate for that?
You're going to have to work more hours.
Hey, hey, don't forget, by the way, Public Square.
That's right, you are on Public Square.
There we go!
That's right.
I do think it's worth emphasizing.
By the way, I don't know if we mentioned earlier, but if you have a business, you can obviously list yourself on Public Square, is my point.
And I think it's worth emphasizing that I think in our heads we think we've been propagandized to see a startup as like a 100% new idea, like you're going to start a new tech product or a new website or a totally, you know, even like a totally unique recipe of pretzel or something.
James Lindsay School Institute of Bullying.
There's a huge number of businesses that are just traditional businesses that you can do that there's just not a lot of people who do, for example.
Bespoke carpentry.
Anything that got backed up during COVID is something that would be ripe for entrepreneurship.
My brother does carpentry.
Exactly.
And not just generic, but if you learn how to install something a lot of people want, but only one person knows how to do, it's much easier to outcompete one person on being more available, or having a slightly cheaper price, or being better at it than them.
And there's literally hundreds of businesses you can do that in, and it can be as basic as having a better storage company than the one that already exists in your town.
Sure.
Yeah, and so basically, you have to want it more than the next person.
The thing that I realized after four or five years of doing this at Turning Point is that grit, hustle, and desire are not equally distributed amongst competitors.
Most people in politics really are super lazy.
And I thought everyone wanted to be successful as much as I did and actually make an impact.
And so as long as you want it more, you're gonna be successful.
And then if you have good ideas, and finally ethics will be your defining characteristic.
You must act in an ethical way.
Never tell a lie, always tell the truth, treat people well, be clear with your standards.
I could write a whole book on all this stuff, but smarter minds than me have.
So if you're more interested in business advice, I'm happy to talk about it later.
One more point I wanted to make.
I want to pitch an idea to you guys of making the Airbnb for jobs where people would do an apprenticeship instead of all this college nonsense.
They would be able to come and learn hard skills at a business.
That's a good idea.
That's the person who has the time.
I don't have the time.
To disrupt the college industry, we'll become a billionaire.
If somebody wants to become a billionaire, there is a $100 billion opportunity to create something that isn't college, that can get people equipped, trained for low cost.
It is a $100 billion idea.
No exaggeration.
It is the greatest need right now in job training and placement.
College is a scam.
I wrote a whole book on it.
Companies know that college graduates mean nothing.
The piece of paper means nothing.
So who's going to fill the void?
Maybe one of you guys will.
Yes.
Thank you very much.
Unless it's Hillsdale.
Yes, I know.
Yeah, okay, great.
I got to say it every time.
Hey, Charlie, you know, people who are lazy and don't have any hustle in politics, and here, I didn't even think we were going to talk about YAF tonight.
About the what?
About YAF.
Oh.
Next question.
So, howdy, y'all.
My name's Ethan Parks.
I'm from Sumter County, Florida.
You know where The Villages is?
Yeah.
Yeah, I love The Villages.
Of course, yeah.
I'm right below there in Sumter County.
That's quite a place, The Villages.
Yes, yes, quite a place.
Loofah's everywhere.
Yeah.
So, I go to South Central High School, I'm the chapter president there.
You're right.
So, thank you.
So, I'm in kind of a sticky situation.
My principal, you know, Villages is a conservative area, that area, very conservative.
My principal's conservative, but he's scared of the leftists and won't let us meet during the school day.
He said we have to do after school, but lots of us have jobs, including myself, so I can't do after school.
And, you know, I've had the thought of reporting it to someone, you know, because that's limiting our free speech.
We have the right to do that.
He'll let the fishing club meet, but won't let us.
So my mom's also the assistant principal.
So I'm, I'm kind of in a box there with what I can do.
So do y'all have any like information or advice that I can use?
Somebody else want to kick this one?
You're pointing at me like I'm a lawyer, and I just know a lot of lawyers.
What would immediately stand out to me is just, even if you're a political organization, if you're a club that is allowed to exist at your school, which you are, they have to treat you just like they would treat any other club.
Obviously any other political club, but even most non-political clubs.
They do have the obligation to treat you all the same.
How you should specifically react to it, you know, with your specific situation.
I'm not there, I can't easily dictate it.
But I think you would have a very strong argument to say, like, you actually have a legal obligation to treat us the same way as you would treat any other organization here.
And if you're not willing to do that, like...
Well, you can threaten to sue them, I suppose.
Yeah, and I mean, I would just try to demand for equal treatment, too, right?
And just try to be a little bit, you know, of a respectful pest, as we put it, right?
And, you know, you're gonna get more with sugar than you are with spice.
You're in high school, right?
Yes.
Especially in high school, yeah.
But, I mean, trying to have, like, trying to be in a place of fear and saying we can't give you space is just not right.
So, next question.
Let's try to get as many as we can.
By the way, if it were me, I would just have the meeting anyway, man.
Just do it.
Yeah, I totally agree.
Find a space and say, hey, we're meeting.
So shut it down.
Hello.
Hi, my name is Kristen Lameda.
I am the president of Florida International University Turning Point USA chapter.
I started the Turning Point USA chapter as well in Miami-Dade College because I'm a transfer student to Florida International University.
I've always aspired to get into politics and law, but lately, I'm a political science major.
Lately, as I've been progressing in my college career, now I'm a senior, my aspirations have changed.
And my aspiration to go to law school has dwindled, and I feel that I have another calling, which is to do something entrepreneurial and higher education.
And I would love to create another Hillsdale or another Liberty University.
So I was wondering if you had any advice of how to start and Like a private institution like that, a conservative, God-fearing institution.
And also, what your thoughts are, like for example, I'm from Florida, DeSantis, they reformed a new college and now they want to make it conservative.
And so, some people, when they hear my idea of wanting to start like a conservative institution, they say, Just focus on capturing the universities, which I think we need to do a little bit of both.
So what do you think?
We need to do a little bit of both?
Or just one of them?
Well, James, you're familiar with some of this stuff.
The higher education reform stuff, right?
I mean, yeah, it's a challenge.
It's a real challenge.
I think I actually agree with you that both need to be happening.
You want to put pressure on the existing institutions and make them realize that they need to reform.
But at the same time, if they have no competitors, they're not that likely to give a crap.
And so you've got to have kind of some of both.
It's probably I've never tried to start a university, but I'm assuming it's not easy.
It's very hard.
So you should go by the Turning Point Academy booth.
They're going to be here all weekend starting on Saturday.
And just tell them your story.
Tell them you're a chapter leader.
They would love to chat with you.
And I would love to talk to you, James, Lindsay, and Charlie Kirk about the ideas I have for higher education to see if you guys have any ideas to add.
God bless you.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
All right.
Let's get to as many as we can, everybody.
So let's get straight to the questions.
Yes.
Alrighty, so Charlie, this one's probably going to be more for you.
I tried to ask earlier, but the mic lady didn't get to me.
So, I'm very passionate about agriculture.
I grew up on a farm.
I know that you guys just added Stephanie Nash on as an Ag Ambassador.
So, I'm just kind of wondering how I can connect my passion for agriculture and politics for advocating for that through Turning Point.
Because, like, I'm sure everybody heard about this lab-grown meat.
Like, what is that?
China is still buying up our land.
What is that?
Why in the hell are we buying meat and other products from overseas when we grow it just perfectly fine here in the US?
You know what I mean?
So do you have any resources for me or any advice of how I can kind of get connected in that?
Where are you from?
I'm in South Dakota.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Aren't you from South Dakota?
Yeah.
What part?
I'm not from a farm.
I am from Sioux Falls, the only city of size.
So, and you were raised on a farm, I imagine?
Yep.
Are you studying agriculture in college?
Yep.
Okay.
Are they teaching you anything?
No.
Yeah.
I'm planning on transferring to a two-year because I can get tuition reimbursement, but at this point I really don't want to be in school.
Is it true?
Would you say it's true you learned more on the farm growing up than in college?
100% and an FFA, yeah.
Then why'd you go to college?
Because it was really pushed on me.
I was a first-generation... I'm not trying to make you feel bad.
Okay, so I believe firmly that our food supply is one of the most important things that we need to talk about as conservatives, okay?
I'm a big organic guy.
I like Locavorian.
I'm not a GMO fan.
I know that that's like controversial in the Midwest, but I think GMOs are terrible and awful and really bad.
And I think that the food supply is going to be one of the things that the World Economic Forum, the globalists, and the left go after.
We as conservatives have to reject processed food.
We have to reject all this crap that we put in our foods.
The dyes, Red 40, Purple 22, you know.
By the way, these oils, canola oil, all that, it is garbage for you, okay?
We eat way too much sugar, way too much carbohydrates.
I know the farmers hate when I say this, but honestly, corn is not good for you, okay?
Corn is real.
I know people are gonna boo me offstage, but corn has no nutritional value.
It's not good for you.
Blake, you'll back me up on this, right?
Corn is a demon.
Yeah, corn is really bad for you.
Cows are great for you, though, so that's what I will agree.
We should have more cows and kill more cows and eat more meat, okay?
Dairy, I'm not a big believer in, but that's a separate issue.
But we need conservatives in agriculture.
And if that's your calling, you are on a righteous path because the worst vermin are getting involved in our food supply right now, and we're all going to be less free because of what's happening with our food.
James, you're nodding along in agreement.
Can you?
Elaborate on that?
I mean, the global program that we're all being subjected to, to kind of just give it a bland name, the coming tyranny has to control the food supply and if we don't take very seriously controlling our own food supply and taking it To healthy places as opposed to unhealthy places.
We're in really, really bad trouble.
We already saw the huge farmer issue in the Netherlands, obviously.
Now, that seems to be bearing a little bit of fruit in the right direction, sort of, now, but with Root had to leave, or however you say that guy's name.
Jack, do you know how to say that guy's name?
The former Prime Minister of... Well, the whole government collapsed.
Yeah, boo-hoo for that.
Over this and migrants.
Yeah, so we've got to fight this fight, and I agree with Charlie.
I'm not going to call corn a demon.
I'm not as dietarily... I don't think anyone should eat corn.
I think it's bad for you.
Corn syrup, if you look actually through, here's the proof.
If you eat a cob of corn, you see a lot of it when it exits your body.
Right?
Your body's literally rejecting corn.
Charlie has a newborn, just so everybody knows.
A newborn.
Oh yeah, that's right.
Just trying to help you out, buddy.
Corn is very cheap to grow, but you don't need carbohydrates to live, by the way.
There's three types of food, fat, protein, carbohydrates.
Get rid of all carbohydrates in your diet.
Eat healthy fats and protein.
And you will be at a manageable weight for your entire life.
Well, Charlie, how about this?
Maybe because, I mean, I'm hearing the great questions here.
I mean, what about, like, you know, turning point farming?
Turning point ag?
I think you could lead it, but... I'm just saying, it seems like... I'm going to get so many emails from... We have so many farmers that listen to us, and I have so much respect for them.
I'm not trying to insult their life's work of harvesting corn.
I just think it's... I think the abundance of corn in Western society is directly related to our obesity epidemic.
It's directly related.
From high fructose corn syrup to the mass production, it goes directly into glucose creation into your body.
Your body does not turn it into anything useful except fat and maybe immediate sugar high energy.
Any other thoughts?
Never forget, Charlie, that the civilization that gave us domesticated, cultivated corn also believed in ripping people's beating hearts out of their bodies to keep the sun rising.
No correlation, I'm sure, but the most nutritious The societies that lived the longest and actually had the best health outcomes were rooted in rice.
One of the reasons we switched over to so much corn is because of the ethanol subsidies as well.
Yeah, and that's a hotly debated thing.
Again, I'm very appreciative of farmers and what they're doing, especially in harvesting cows, because we need more cows.
They're not like climate change and all that.
But I think that the more we get away from our fixation with... You might say I don't eat corn.
I bet I could prove to you that you have a lot of corn in your diet.
Your salad dressing, your soft drinks, your...
Desserts.
The amount of corn in our diet is just ridiculous.
I'm just imagining the Media Matters headline, Charlie Kirk's pogrom on corn.
America has apostatized from Christianity to worship the new god of corn.
And that is why the caucasus are in Iowa.
That is why we do ethanol.
That's why Iowa's the first in the nation.
It's the corn to Iowa.
By the way, if I were to ever do anything, I would be booed off a stage in Iowa for saying that corn is not good.
I'm sorry, but it's just...
It's just not good.
He'll boo me.
Something else that's not good is what you said, is letting Chinese and weirdo billionaires with nefarious plans buy all of our farmland.
An issue that actually fits kind of within the spirit of your question is that communities can come together and start demanding that their counties or whatever else say no to this, even if it would rescue the community financially.
There are communities that have done this, that have organized and fought back on this issue and said, no, we're not going to sell our farmland to the Chinese, even if the money would help.
And that's a very, very powerful issue that I could see fitting in with the spirit of your question.
It's a good point of the spear to start working.
A lot of Americans are very aware that selling our farmland in massive amounts to Chinese interests, or CCP interests, I should be more clear, and to selling it to Bill Gates is probably not that great.
And those become community-level issues around which politics can be organized that can make a massive difference where it really matters.
It turns out whether you like corn or not.
All right, next question.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I'm very pro-corn farmer, for the record.
Okay.
I just want to start by saying thank you, guys.
It's a real honor that I get to ask you guys questions right now.
But my name is George Cecil, and I'm from the great state of Idaho.
I was raised on a ranch, and I was homeschooled.
And my question for you guys today is actually about digital currency.
So people in my area are really concerned that America is going to be going to, like, digital currency in the future, and they're really worried about the implications of that.
What are your guys' thoughts on that, if it's going to be coming up soon, and what we could do to hopefully prevent it, or what's going to be happening with that?
I mean, it's coming soon, that's for sure.
I mean, they openly said, I forgot who it was, but I say they, there was a person with a name, and as some slightly scarier voices than me say, and an address, who did say this, that by September, which is a very odd month to have picked, 2024, that the shift to a digital dollar should be something that's fully in motion.
What I would say about what you're talking about with your colleagues and friends in Idaho is that they're on the right track.
Digital currency is not currency unless there are some massive, massive, massive safeguards that we don't even have anything like The infrastructure to put into place to protect people.
It is a set of digital coupons by which the most effective and powerful tyranny the world has ever seen can be put on people.
It is the vehicle for a social credit system from which there is no escape.
It's not just a social credit system, it's an app that annoys you, tells you when you can buy a train ticket or when you can buy beef.
It is what your money can be used for, if anything at all, based on who you happen to be, what you happen to have done.
Did you come to a meeting like this, which is super not okay?
Did you listen to thought crimes, which is not okay?
We saw in the Canadian Trucker Revolt that they turned people's money off.
They froze their accounts.
Now imagine currency that can be turned off for certain items, for, like I said, plane tickets, train tickets, whatever you want.
I'm thinking very European and Chinese with the train tickets, because in China... We're going to force Charlie to buy all the corn.
Yeah, right.
Yes, that's right.
Yeah, they'll force-feed Charlie all the corn in the world.
All his money can buy is corn, and the corn farmers will laugh and schadenfreude, or however you say it, schadenfreude, say it in German for me.
Schadenfreude.
Schadenfreude or whatever.
The thing where you're happy that somebody's sad.
Yes, delighting in people's suffering.
The most important thing in the world, though, is that we have to stop.
As big as the farm thing was, the most important thing in the world is that we have to not have digital currency.
But I'd also, I guess, just add that to your question about, you know, is it coming?
It's here.
We already have digital.
The dollar is already digital.
How many times in the course of a regular week, think about this, do you actually use physical cash, right?
You're using Apple Pay, you're using whatever on your phone, you're using Stripe, you're using Square, you're using even when you use your card.
So I think about it, you know, talking about my kids again, the only time my kids actually see dollars is when we're at church and we're giving in the collection plate.
That's it.
I've even gone to the ATM, just make sure I have cash before I go to church.
And then even then, they've got the QR codes up in the pews now.
So we need to be very careful about this, and you also need to be careful that once you do start accumulating some wealth, that you're not storing it completely in digital formats.
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Hi guys.
Charlie, I watched your Yes or No video with Michael Moles and I absolutely loved it.
Thank you.
And I was a little bit perplexed to hear that you're not in favor of the death penalty.
Yeah.
And I was wondering if you can elaborate on that and also what everyone else's view on the panel is about the death penalty.
So, yeah, if you would have asked me this question, I would have been a lot more forceful years ago as being against the death penalty.
So let me talk on, if we had a functioning society and a government that was set up properly, a life should be for a life.
Period.
You murder, you should be killed by the state.
It's in Genesis.
Yeah, it's in Genesis, it's in Exodus, it's in Leviticus, it's very clear.
So, that's my moral position, okay?
The hesitation I have is our current government, when you execute somebody that then gets exonerated 10 or 20 years later, the wrongful execution of people, that makes me take a little pause.
Number two, I'm generally on this theme of if you give government the ability to kill us, that they're gonna like start droning us.
I know that sounds really crazy, but Like, the erosion of due process and how government is abusing every power we give them is disproportionately used against conservatives.
So, the third thing, this really shouldn't matter as much because we spend money on stupid stuff, the death penalty is actually more expensive, I know it might sound differently, you know, it might be less expensive, but I have changed, I used to be like totally against it, a lot more like civil libertarian on it, but I've moved because In the sense of if we had a functioning government, which we don't, and a criminal justice system that was somewhat clear and effective.
For example, if you're tried by a jury of your peers with indisputable video evidence and you admit that you murdered somebody, I think you should receive the death penalty, right?
But there's a really murky case right now in Oklahoma where a guy's on death row And Blake would even agree like it's the weirdest case where it's like did he pay for the guy to be killed and he hasn't admitted to it and it's been like a mistrial and it has to keep on getting delayed.
So let's say we kill the guy and we find out like 10 years later like that that I think is one of the great evils the government can do is murdering an innocent man.
And that happens a lot, by the way.
A lot more, hundreds of times over the last couple decades.
So, morally, I could, if I believed in the Bible, there's no way I could possibly say I don't believe in the death penalty.
It is ridiculously clear.
But Jack, I'm curious, because you're super Catholic, the Catholic Church is against the death penalty.
Like forcefully against the death penalty.
It's Catholic social teaching.
We have a current Pope who has introduced new doctrine.
Before the Pope, it was advocacy within the Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church has a lot of history involving the death penalty, and if you want to go full-on 2,000 years, I think the Catholic Church is pretty clear that it has exercised and been for the death penalty for many, many times in the past.
This is a new teaching which has arisen in the very... John Paul II was against it.
Right, that's what I'm saying.
The last, like, say, 30 years.
Don't blame Pope Francis.
No, I'm saying 2,000 years, but he didn't change doctrine.
John Paul II didn't change doctrine.
He issued encyclicals on the death penalty.
Which he said was against it.
But where he said it was against it, basically on the same things that you were just talking about, but it was Pope Francis that has been moving to actually change doctrine on this.
This is also something that's been, that if you go back just two or three more popes, you would get the exact opposite on that.
And this is why... It's in the catechism though.
And this is what Francis has done.
Okay.
So that's under Francis.
So no Pope has touched this prior to that, and you can go back to Pope Leo, you can go back to Pope Pius, where they were very forcefully for the death penalty based on the reasoning that it is the state meting out your punishment for you Essentially abrogating your own right to life.
So the state does not take away your right to life.
You, through dint of your own actions at depriving another of their right to enjoyment of life, have lost it.
Getting a little philosophical there.
But yes, it is clearly something that has arisen in the later church, the modern church, which is something that you know, that I've spoken out against.
I think basically Jack's summary is correct, which is historically the church was tolerant of it, and it is a relatively recent shift to being strongly against it.
It's always been the same.
You can't do it for vengeance-based reasons, but there is a valid justification for the state to do it, just as the state has justification for punishing other crimes.
As Christians, we're told to turn the other cheek and love our enemies and all of that, but we've never equated that with, like, the government, for example, is not allowed to punish criminals.
That, like, all of society must collectively turn the other cheek.
It's an administration of justice.
Exactly.
Temporal justice versus eternal justice.
And I think in many other contexts, you know, we tolerate this, which is, you know, when we wage a war, as long as the war is just, like, we do accept that warfare kills innocent people.
And even things like, you know, when the police try to use, you know, sometimes police use their guns to stop a criminal in the act or someone who's acting dangerously, and that kills bystanders.
There are all sorts of things that we do that, on the margins, can hurt innocent people and sometimes even kill innocent people.
And I think it's strange that we treat the death penalty as the exception to this, especially when there are plenty of cases where the risk of anyone innocent being caught in it are extremely low.
Like, Dylann Roof.
Why can't you kill Dylann Roof?
I think, like, the middle ground is, okay, you're a school shooter, and you obviously did it, capital punishment, ten weeks, quick, public.
Parkland.
Parkland shooter, you know, South Carolina, right?
Any one of these, Matt, like... Neither of them got it, though, is the point.
No, I think that... I would be more than willing to sign on to that.
Where I'm... I looked it up.
190 people have been wrongly executed in the last 30 years.
It's these murky, one-off, like, DNA cases with no admission of guilt.
109?
I'd be very skeptical of that figure.
Yeah, I mean, that better not be from an innocence project.
That's thinking like unarmed people shot by police.
No, it's not.
It is from a place that is sympathetic against the capital punishment.
Let's pretend it's half, okay? 80.
That still makes me take pause.
The government wrongly executing people could impact every single one of us.
That's a serious thing.
Because by definition, it's irreversible.
You look at the way they've treated Jan 6th defendants.
No, that's the point though.
That's true.
It is irreversible, but so is, again, if the police use force and just accidentally kill someone or like when we use, when we let police do car chases, sometimes they'll kill people in car accidents.
Those are moments of frenetic unpredictability.
The death penalty is a planned and intentional and methodical decision, right?
Like police using force, you have a gun being thrown at you.
Is it a knife?
Is it not?
Like, it's high passion, high, you know, high adrenaline.
But we could say, we could say that's so dangerous that we just... Police are disarmed.
Police can't carry guns.
I'm not making that argument, right?
Well, I think what Blake is saying, though, is... Liberals will make that argument, sure.
...that it's government use of force.
So in that instance, would you be okay with that police officer facing charges if they killed somebody?
Well, but if they murdered the person.
He's saying if they killed them in the furtherance of their duties.
For their, under their duties?
No, I mean, if it's not, I mean, no, of course not.
I mean, if it, it depends on, is it murder or is it self-defense?
But what if it was an innocent bystander?
In, was it, again, was it, was it, the context matters.
Show me an example, right?
Like, like, like six-year-old girl gets caught in a crossfire.
Gets in a crossfire?
No, that, no, of course not.
But would you charge the officer?
No, of course not.
No, because the intention matters a lot.
That's the way our criminal system is built.
And that's my point.
It's a fun argument.
We should probably have another.
We could do a whole show on this.
But if a police officer pulled his car over and shot a six-year-old, then yeah, the police officer should get the death penalty, right?
That's the way that a functioning system is designed.
Right, but then it comes down to the legitimate use of government force.
No, the question is what kind of force and in what context are you happy with it?
If it's by a jury of your peers, methodically done and it's basically irrefutable school shooter admission of guilt, then the threshold I think can be understandably reached where it's like, okay, kill the guy.
I just want to know why the Boston bomber is still breathing.
It's a little bit in the weeds.
Sorry.
Okay.
Let's try to get to a couple more.
So I just wanted to quickly thank you, Charlie, for just starting Turning Point.
I'm extremely grateful to be a part of this organization.
I'm sure everybody else here is.
So my question, I had to write it down because I didn't want to forget.
So given the polarization that we continue to see in this country, I'm curious if you have considered a discussion with someone who's reasonable on the left.
There's a political commentator who's been on Lex Friedman and Tim Pool.
He's called Destiny.
Yeah, I've heard about him.
And I was just wondering if you were, Had ever thought about having a discussion, just not even really a debate, but a discussion with someone.
You've talked to him, haven't you, Jack?
I have a couple times.
Yeah, I've done a few, um, I guess you would say forums.
They're called, uh, uh, Better Discourse Events and Destiny.
No, look, for as, as, as, uh, as much as people get on the right get upset at Destiny, I've always said that I think it's great that Destiny is willing to sit down and have those discussions.
Uh, he and I have gone to blows.
We got into it over The intelligence community once a couple years ago, we got into it over the Hunter Biden laptop a couple, just a couple months ago, which where I totally schooled him.
And but no, I've always appreciated that he's been willing as a guy nominally on the left to just sit down because there's so many people who refuse to do anything like that anymore.
I'd be happy to talk to him.
I mean, I've debated Sam Cedar to Hassan Piker to Vish, what's his name?
Yeah, whatever.
So, I mean, I'll debate almost anyone anytime, in good faith, and I've done it before, I'll do it again.
But Charlie, who would you box?
That's what we really want to know.
Who would you box on the left?
Probably all of them.
Hassan would be tough.
Hassan, he's... No, Hassan is Sam Hyde.
He's what?
Hassan is going up against Sam Hyde.
Sam Hyde called him out.
Oh, is that right?
I don't know.
I'm not much of a boxing type.
So, alright, next one.
Thank you.
Hi, my name is Leo Kinnett.
I'm from the wonderful state of Iowa.
Thank you very much, Charlie.
Thank you.
Uh-oh, the corn farmer.
I am destroying your economy.
Yes.
He's been lying in wait.
So at my school, we have some very liberal teachers.
One of them, I wore a Let's Go Brandon sweater with Trump, and it was like a Christmas sweater, so he was wearing like a Christmas hat.
Anyways, my Spanish teacher pulled me out of class and said, "This is very disrespectful.
"If you ever wear this again, that's a detention." And she actually kicked me out of Spanish for that, so I don't know why.
Luckily, I didn't have to deal with her anymore.
But I also had another teacher that, you know, I was asking, "Hey, would you like to sponsor "our Turning Point Club?" She was like, hell no!
I hate Governor Reynolds.
No.
And I just want to get your position on should teachers be allowed to discuss their point of politics and whether if they're liberal or conservative.
James, you've done a lot of research on this.
I mean, they very clearly discuss their politics.
This is a position that is formally known as liberating tolerance, which is a big word salad phrase that means that their policies aren't considered politics and yours are.
And politics aren't allowed under that weird definition, kind of like their people are considered people and yours aren't under their weird definition.
They're just pushing respect, James.
Yeah, I buy that for sure.
I think we actually kind of talked about this a little bit earlier was that, you know, like Blake said, that everybody should be treated, ideally, everybody should be treated equally.
What we see happening is obviously that that's not happening, that the teachers believe that they are just teaching respect and that you are representing hate.
And so this is a very challenging space to be in and you are, in fact, disenfranchised in your own grasp.
great state of Iowa.
By the way, Iowa is one of the few states that I got yelled at and jeered at when I visited.
So I know you have some very liberal professionals in your state, and I sympathize with you for that.
But what you actually, what you have to do is you have to understand that there is a bias here, and every time they exercise this bias on you, it becomes an opportunity to point out you're exercising bias against me.
That's the thing you say that you're against.
They don't care about hypocrisy, but other people will.
Other people will start to realize, if you talk about it enough, that's, you know, obviously biased, that's not fair.
A friend of mine, his name is Chris Elston, he goes by Billboard Chris, you may have seen him on social media, where signs that say things like, very controversial statements like, children cannot consent to puberty blockers.
And he goes out in the streets, and the left gets very upset with him for this.
In Canada, they've actually physically assaulted him, they broke his arm one time.
The cops will tend to watch and laugh or turn and pretend they didn't see anything and ignore.
So he has this exact same thing and if he gets put to it and asks, why aren't you doing anything?
They'll say your sign is provoking violence.
And so this is the environment.
Unfortunately, luckily, it's better in the US, but this is the environment that we live in.
And Chris, I would urge you to go check him out.
It's Billboard Chris on social media.
You can find him pretty easily.
He's very, very good at handling this and channeling when that happens into productive action that gets people's attention, whether it's locally or more broadly.
And I suggest you do that.
All right.
Thank you, man.
We'll try to get to just a couple more.
Let's blitz through these and then we're already over time.
I'm from Turning Point UNL.
We're the Nebraska Cornhuskers.
Sorry, Charlie.
Corn.
I just wanted to see your guys' thoughts on the current Federal Reserve System and the U.S.
monetary policy as a whole.
Yeah, I mean, I think the Fed should be abolished and it never should have been created.
It's an unconstitutional thing.
Andrew Jackson was right.
Huh?
Andrew Jackson was right.
Andrew Jackson was right.
Ron Paul was right.
It's an unconstitutional thing.
Every one of you are poorer day by day before you even get in the ballgame.
Because of a cartel of criminals that are running our currency system.
It's an illegally chartered, I believe, unconstitutional project.
I can go into it.
It's not going to happen.
So you have to take authority and responsibility for your own money.
And that means, you know, I personally invest in stable things that actually appreciate in value and try to get rid of my dollar bills as quickly as possible into things that are actually hopefully going to last.
Like bullets and land and gold and silver and the right the proper cryptocurrencies I'm not here to give you an investment advice You guys can disagree and then buying stock certificates and companies that I think are actually gonna last long term So look the Fed should be abolished isn't amazing that that our audience applauds when you say you're gonna abolish the Fed That's how enlightened our students are the Fed has made every one of you 90% poorer than you should be over the last 50 years Are we gonna get to talk about the Titanic now?
We already know!
I see.
It all began in 1913.
J.P.
Morgan planned the whole thing.
J.P.
Morgan put that iceberg there.
Thank you.
Let's get to the next question.
All right, my name's Colin, and that's with two L's.
I'm also from Nebraska, so I am a corn husker at heart, everyone.
Charlie's taking it on the chin.
No, I'm not.
Fully Charlie.
Fully him.
Eat less corn, you'll be happier.
This is kind of a fun question, but it's all four of you, but I assume all of you guys work out.
I'm just curious, how much do you guys bench?
Blake, you first.
No, I'm going last.
Okay.
I know James can bench more than I can.
Can I?
I don't know.
We should find out.
It's been a long time, I don't know.
I honestly haven't done a flat bench in a while.
I've mostly been focusing on incline lately, because I think you get faster gains with an incline bench, so I wouldn't even be able to tell you what my 1RM is right now for a flat bench.
What's your 3 rep max on incline?
On incline?
3 rep max?
I haven't maxed out in forever.
I know, right?
No, I know, I know.
No, I'm just being honest.
I'm just being honest.
Guys, I'm in my 40s.
Okay, I can do... I haven't done one rep max.
I can do 230 times 5.
As a bench press?
That's impressive.
I can't do that.
Wow.
No, I'm like... There you go.
Alright.
Alright.
Wow.
Yeah, less than that.
Like 225, 3 or 4 times.
So...
I haven't benched in like 15 years.
My lifetime, I'll put it this way, and this is what I've always talked to, my father always taught me this, is you should be able to bend your body weight.
You should be able to bend your body weight, and I've always been able to my entire life.
There you go.
Thank you.
Which was pretty impressive during that period.
The more important question is how many pull-ups are the true mark.
I know, right?
10.
Yeah.
I can do 10 pull-ups, and I weigh 225, so that's a lot to pull up.
There you go.
And Blake is single.
By the way, no, he is.
Blake is single.
He has an IQ of 183.
He speaks four different languages and can bench 235 times.
Five times.
Five times.
And that beard, folks.
That beard.
Bully Blake.
Yeah, he's on Farmer's Only.com.
And he only eats corn.
He's a corn husker, too.
Yes.
Alright.
One or two more.
My name's Matt.
I'm from Iowa State University, where we have better corn than the Huskers and the Hawkeyes.
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
Yeah, you might have to sign me up to be a teacher for that school of bullying, James.
Yeah, Charlie loves that.
But anyway, my dream is to eventually own an unwoke sports broadcasting company to dethrone ESPN as the worldwide leader in sports.
Charlie, you, over the last 11 years, have experience building a company from nothing to all of this.
How do you go from the ground up to this?
That's a great question.
First, you have to dominate something small.
So if you want to create something really big, you have to dominate either a locality, a genre, or a niche.
Every successful company was able to be very successful first at something very specific, right?
Whether it be Apple or Microsoft, Starbucks, Home Depot, the big thing you see is not what started.
Like with Turning Point, we have TPSFA, Turning Point Academy, Turning Point Production, Turning Point Media, you know, Professor Watchlist, School Board Watchlist, High School Chapters, College Chapters, Turning Point Action, Precinct Committee Project, Turning Point PAC, Charlie Kirk Show, Thought Crimes, started with one thing.
I drove to college campus after college campus begging kids not to become commies.
And I got good at it, right?
And had no money, no connections, no idea what I was doing, but I had a ton of energy, but I was focused on one thing.
And then I was like, OK, in order to do that one thing that I need to get, you know, good at raising money and built a small team.
But so if you if you have a big vision, you have to just think really, really small.
And then once you have that small thing and you dominate, then you can start to scale.
Right.
When people say they want to start a national business, I say first, why don't you become the number one pretzel shop or coffee shop in your city?
Like, win your city first, and then you can open up a store across town, and then across the state, and then you can go regional.
That's exactly what Starbucks did.
Starbucks started as one coffee shop in downtown Seattle.
Chipotle started as one restaurant in downtown Denver, right?
McDonald's started as one restaurant by Ray Kroc.
In suburban Chicago.
And so people think you want to have that kind of big, you know, vision, that big thing, but you want to start there.
Then you have to want it more than your competition.
And then when your back's against the wall and you want to give up, you're going to have to want to continue because it will happen.
And expect to lose most of your friends, get sued, make no money for five to six years, sleep five hours a night for almost every single night, lose all of your savings for just a chance to maybe be moderately successful.
All right, thank you.
Remember the last Bible verse that we talked about when we got off the plane in San Diego, Charlie, what we were talking about?
Which one was it?
Which, which, oh.
You asked me what my favorite part of the Bible is.
No, I don't remember what you said.
The parable of the talents.
Yes, that's exactly right.
We gave you the modern version.
The parable of the talents is equally applicable.
Do what, do, what will you do with what God has given you?
Okay, this will be the last question.
Uh, don't worry.
I care more about conservatism and then corn.
So, you're good with me.
Got a lot of corn apologists here.
My name is Gabe.
I'm from Kentucky.
Sadly, I don't really have a big question, but I would like you to maybe weigh in on what I have to say.
So I'm going to go back to what you were talking about way earlier in the program about the administrative state and our institutions that are turning against us, like the FBI, CIA.
The list goes on, of course.
And I go back to our founders, what they had to say about it in the Declaration of Independence.
Grievance number 10 against the king, of course, was he erected a multitude of offices and sent hither swarms of officers.
To harass our people and eat out their substance.
Is there anything that you guys would like to add to that?
And I want to say, I really love you and you guys are such inspirations to all of us.
So, the young lady behind you will get the final question because you didn't have a question.
But I will answer whatever it was.
James, do you have a comment on that?
Anybody have a comment on that?
Jack?
I think when we teach the Declaration, and look, I work for humanevents.com and right there, went in the course of human events, but I think we teach the Declaration and we skip over the grievances, and I think we need to teach those as well.
I'll just say all this equity crap came up in the administrative state apparatus.
I mean, if you follow it, there's a book written by this guy with a weird name, Dwight Waldo, in 1948.
There are five, maybe, one or the other, and it's called The Administrative State.
You can look it up and see what they thought about it.
And he hosted this huge conference, and it's called the Minnowbrook Conference.
In 1968, they held the Minnowbrook Conference, and a guy named George Fredrickson was there, and they laid out the idea That it's not enough for public administration to be thinking about the two E's of efficiency and economy.
They also need to think of the third E, which is equity, which is adjusting shares so citizens are made equal.
So if you want to know why our society is lurching into communism, the administrative state has an awful lot to do with that.
So I applaud you for bringing that up tonight.
All right, you have a question though, my friend?
I do.
All right, you're the last question then.
My name is Delaney.
I'm from Capital University.
We're about 15 minutes away from OSU.
I volunteered at the Live Free Tour.
I had a question.
This was, well, it kind of has a background to it, but My school has a professor named Clint Jones, and he is an ethics professor.
We're technically a Lutheran university, but we're very much not, and he's in the Department of Religion and Philosophy.
And early January, he put on this presentation about love thy neighbor as thyself, masturbation, homoeroticism, and queer love in the lice of Jesus Christ.
I'm sorry, that was really, like, off the wall.
Sorry, I did not see that coming.
Yeah, no, I'm so sorry.
I was, like, prepping the people behind me in front of me in line.
I was, like, prepping everyone in line.
I was like, I'm so sorry.
I can't hear it. - But Charlie, earlier today you were talking about how you don't believe in really like choosing your battles, which I really do respect.
Do you think that with a professor like this who is so confident in his beliefs that he's willing to put a presentation on and force his students to go, my roommate had to go unless she would want a failing grade in her class.
She didn't go, but her alternative assignment was to write a seven page paper about why Jesus was gay.
So, didn't really work out either way.
Um, but do you believe that fighting a professor who is so confident in his beliefs will, like, reap any benefits, or is he just gonna get more?
I mean, he backed it up with scripture, which is obviously flawed, but...
What scripture is he... I didn't go.
He says Jesus is gay?
That's his scripture?
Yeah.
How about the Leviticus verse of, Thou shalt not lay with another man?
I have no idea.
And by the way, punishable by death in the Old Testament.
So that's really rich.
So, he's saying, I'm happy to dive into the theology of it, which is not your question, but what should you do, basically?
Here's what I would, here's my encouragement, right?
Is that try to find somebody, I mean if I have time I'll do it, but try to find somebody to challenge these people.
They never want to debate, and James will tell you why.
They want to groom.
And they want to find people that can't intellectually defend their positions.
You know, I spoke at Arizona State University with Dennis Prager and 35 professors signed an open letter saying that I should not be allowed on campus.
None of them wanted to talk to me.
They refused to ever have dialogue with us because it is a threat to them.
James, why is that?
Why don't they want to debate you?
Yes.
Well, I mean, there's the easy answer is because they know that their ideas don't have justification, so they have to assert them, and if they're challenged, it threatens them, blah, blah, blah.
But within their own kind of line of thought, the reason is to debate somebody is to platform the other alternative, and thus to give it voice, and thus to become complicit in the evil.
That's much less interesting to me than I think what you should do.
These things actually tend to work out, but you have to have a little bit of courage.
These are the kinds of stories that, if they are properly packaged and put out into the world, go viral big time.
These are the kinds of stories that end up landing in an appellate court and getting a school in an awful lot of trouble because First Amendment rights protect people from being subjected to having to write what they would consider blasphemy.
This has happened at least as when it's a condition of employment.
I know with professors, for example, the case of Merriweather versus Shawnee State, but it's entirely possible that it could follow for a student who had to do this for a grade.
So I would encourage people, and I know you're young, and I know this isn't exactly something you want to hear, and it does take a lot of courage.
It's not easy.
But in cases like this, you have to be kind of willing not to go necessarily full James O'Keefe, but to expose these things to get that citizen journalism out and or, and I say that very much with the slash there, because it might be both and it might not.
You may have to be more prudent in how you approach it.
You may have to start thinking, this is the bravery part, by the way.
It's not hard to convince a 20-something-year-old to try to go viral on the internet.
It is hard to convince them to think of themselves as a potential plaintiff in a lawsuit.
And to seek out a law firm like, you know, Alliance Defending Freedom or whatever, and try to see if you have a legal case or if your friend has a legal case for what they were put through being forced to do this for a grade.
And to be willing to do this.
If people aren't injured, there's no lawsuit, but the way that we're ultimately going to be woke and preserve our society is by suing while the law is still something that can be on our side.
So I strongly encourage you to think.
If you think you're being discriminated against, You may have to think that you have a lawsuit potential and reach out to some of these firms that are, they often show up at these conservative things so you can kind of figure out who they are and see if they will take a case if you're a student, probably pro bono.
Reach out to FIRE, the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, see what they do.
They will send letters and the schools will back off and sometimes do damages or try to settle out of court or all kinds of things.
But if you don't slap them, the left consistently will break the law Until you tell them they can't anymore.
And they will get away with it and get away with it and get away with it and just keep marching forward.
So somebody who's being discriminated against and it might be you and it's a big thing to ask.
So think about it.
Has to be willing to take up the lawsuit and I strongly encourage people to be willing to consider that when they are being discriminated against or something like that.
What I would say just briefly is also it is it is high stakes there there is possible consequences to it but at the same time It is lower than the consequences to standing up to something will often be in real life.
Like, this person is threatening people with, you know, a failing grade, one of many classes they can possibly take at this school.
Whereas, you know, you'll face people who will boss you around and try to do bad stuff where you have to face losing your job, and you might have a spouse, you might have children, like, you have a lot to lose.
And it probably is better to at least get the training in standing up to things while it is lower stakes.
And that is what college actually is, even though it feels very high stakes a lot of the time.
It is a training ground for life.
Yes.
When Charlie was speaking earlier, I thought there are basically two paths, and you have to judge your temperament.
Either you consistently stand up like he all urged you to do very, very well.
Very well, as a matter of fact.
and you do it that way, or you realize, we're gonna need investigative journalists that are digging in and understanding this thing.
We're gonna need lawyers who understand the left's misuses of the law and abuses of the law so they can make sure that constitutional law protects us from those.
And so you go in as kind of an upside down investigator.
If you participate though, in order to not get brainwashed, you have to be studying the brainwashing that they're doing and using it for some other purpose to expose them or defeat them later.
So always think about that.
If you're going to take the kind of fight road, then fight and fight with everything you have.
Teddy Roosevelt said, if it's gentlemanly possible not to hit, then you should not hit.
But if you must hit, never hit soft.
And you should keep that in mind.
It's my second favorite presidential quote.
On the other hand, if you get inside, you go all the way and you expose them.
Sorry, Charlie.
No, you're good.
You got another point?
I'm out of points, unless you want to hear my first favorite.
Jack, any closing thoughts?
I just want to say thanks to everybody for coming out tonight.
Appreciate making this one of, I think, our number one episode of ThoughtCrime that we have held so far.
It's also our very first live episode, so I'd like to say thank you to our first ever live, select live audience.
This has been awesome.
Thank you to Charlie for setting it up.
Download the Public Square app and download the Rumble app.
We'll see you tomorrow.
James, Lindsay and I are going to be on stage at the Chapter Leadership Summit tomorrow.
We'll be taking questions, talking queer theory, wokeism, the need to stand, CRT, all that good stuff.
God bless you guys.
See you at home later and see you guys tomorrow here at the Chapter Leadership Summit.
