June 22, 2023 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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EPISODE 501: GOP FIELD OPENS UP AS DESANTIS UNDERPERFORMS, EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW ON TITAN SUB DISASTER
On today’s episode of Human Events with Jack Posobiec, Poso brings you an exclusive interview with William Kohnen, President and CEO of the Hydrospace Group for expert analysis on the Titan disaster. Jack is also joined by Raheem Kassam where the pair break down the latest in the Presidential race and attempt to answer the question: why are so many people running for President? All this, plus Poso dives into a breaking poll that predicts a grim outcome for President Biden if a 3rd party candi...
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The search for the submersible that went missing while headed to the Titanic may be running out of time.
Experts estimate they have already run out of oxygen on board.
Everybody needs to back off Joe Biden about this.
He loves his son.
Biden called Xi a dictator and suggested the Chinese leader was embarrassed because he did not know in advance that the Chinese spy balloon was flying over the U.S.
last winter.
The Chinese government has reacted quite angrily and said that it's absurd.
To be equating the leader of China, Xi Jinping, with other dictators in the world.
Ron has always been a loser.
In fact, he was going to lose the election in record numbers until I endorsed him.
I think people started to say, well, maybe we're willing to consider someone other than Trump.
They took a look at Ron DeSantis and then went back to Trump.
The culture wars, the dumb comments about Ukraine.
He just doesn't connect with people.
He's not a good campaigner.
He's not a good debater.
So the Coast Guard saying that they have found a debris field in the area that they were searching.
This is obviously raises a lot of interest for what that debris field may be.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome on board today's edition of Human Events with Jack Posobiec.
Today is June 22, 2023.
Anno Domini.
Folks, we got a lot of news today.
New polls out in the race.
We've got new information regarding the submarine.
We're going to have someone on later to talk about this.
The latest update on that, the Coast Guard has found a debris field In the search for the Titanic sub containing the rear cover and landing frame, which indicates a catastrophic implosion, say experts.
We've got more on that with a Coast Guard press conference that's set to take place at 3 p.m.
Eastern, so immediately following this show.
We're also going to have a DCS run on.
But I want to go to panic for Democrats as a new poll shows Biden would lose to Trump If a third party candidate entered the race, this is a data for progress poll.
Democrats are worried no labels could run a third party candidate that would cause Joe Biden to lose the re-election.
And look, they bring someone in, they say, if if Larry Hogan were to get in, if some moderate were able to get another question, of course, What if RFK went to run as an independent?
What if he came in and ran?
Now, there's a lot of different options for this because, of course, RFK's coalition, as we talked about with Richard Barris yesterday, the People's Pundit, it does marry up with President Trump's existing support base with the working class.
It cuts into the Rust Belt.
It cuts into those Reagan Democrats that were originally part of the Kennedy coalition.
Obviously this guy coming in, we called him yesterday the anti-Kennedy Kennedy because he is a populist.
He's not running as an elitist.
He's not running as a globalist.
Does that mean we agree with him on social issues?
Of course not.
But I do think that there are a vast majority of issues from a political and an electoral standpoint where there would be populist crossover between the two candidates.
But this is a huge indication That Joe Biden is in a lot of danger right now, and it's a huge indication that Trump is in a much stronger position than everybody believes.
And so, you know, of course we had, you guys may have seen on Tim Pool last night that there was an interesting version of Tim Pool that hosted the show.
It seemed like Some people thought it was me, but actually, you know, that was Tim 2.0, that definitely, you know, I don't know what you guys are talking about.
I'm the host of Human Events, even though, I mean, that host last night, handsome, charming, dashing, brilliant, just what an incredible show.
Everyone should definitely watch that.
TimCast 2.0.
And of course, I'm still your host here, your humble host of Human Events.
We got a lot going on out there.
Raheem Kassam is going to join us in the next segment.
Because one of the things that I keep getting asked about, why are so many people suddenly jumping into the race for president?
We've got Will Hurd, the CIA agent out of Texas who's running.
Rick Scott is talking about getting in, the senator from Florida.
Obviously that would have ramifications for Ron DeSantis, both being from the same state.
Then we're also hearing talk that Glenn Youngkin, the current governor of Virginia, who is term limited at one term, could also potentially be looking at getting in the race.
Larry Hogan out there talking about Ron DeSantis, saying Ron DeSantis hasn't quite stuck the landing.
He's not the person that people thought he was.
He doesn't have the campaign chops that people thought it was going to have, kind of like a minor leaguer who gets called up to the majors too early.
We will see.
Why is it that there seems to be a feeding frenzy right now for, obviously, Chris Christie, since we're talking about feeding frenzies, on the Republican side?
We're going to get into all this and more.
And will Gavin Newsom pop into the race on the Democrat side?
Stay tuned.
Human Events is jam-packed today, folks.
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We're talking about the 2024 primary.
What's going on?
I think this tees it up.
So let's play that clip again and then we'll bring on our next guest.
As you look at the Republican field, Governor, evaluate Ron DeSantis so far.
I think DeSantis has really underperformed.
You know, he started out, and we've seen this happen before in other races, but he was the one getting all the attention.
He was wall-to-wall coverage on Fox News.
He was the only one other than Trump that was really getting a lot of attention.
He raised a ton of money.
He was a fairly successful governor in a big state who got re-elected.
And then he started You know, making all kinds of mistakes.
I think the campaign is one of the worst I've seen so far.
And he's dropped like a rock.
And so I think people started to say, well, maybe we're willing to consider someone other than Trump.
They took a look at Ron DeSantis and then went back to Trump.
You know, I think the culture wars, the dumb comments about Ukraine, he just doesn't connect with people.
He's not a good campaigner.
He's not a good debater.
All right, I want to bring on our next guest, Raheem Kassam, editor-in-chief of The National Pulse.
Raheem, you guys have been running stories about all these candidates that are getting in the race, that are testing the waters, potentially getting in the race.
Now you've got a guy like Larry Hogan, which many people see as sort of this avatar of the GOP establishment.
He's an odd duck, right?
He's sort of a man without an island being a, you know, a Maryland Republican.
You know, you've never heard of such a thing, right?
You know, a spotted zebra, if you will.
So, what's going on here?
Has DeSantis failed to stick the landing?
Why are they sending out Hogan to talk like this?
And at the same time, we see Wilherd's getting in the race in Florida, Rick Scott's talking about getting in in Florida, excuse me, Wilherd in Texas, Rick Scott talking about getting in in Florida.
That would chip away How else to describe it than the same phrase I've used now for weeks and weeks, if not months on end, which is turmoil in Tallahassee.
Glenn Gunkin chopping at the bit in Virginia.
What is going on?
How else to describe it than the same phrase I've used now for weeks and weeks, if not months on end, which is turmoil in Tallahassee.
And it is a distinct, you know, people who have worked campaigns, and I don't mean, you know, people who have knocked a few doors, as grateful as people are for that work.
I mean, if you have not slept for three or four days running because you've been working at a campaign headquarters, if you've been managing your principal, you look at a situation like that, that they've got in Tallahassee, you look at a situation that they've got at the very top of the DeSantis campaign, and it's a
It's abundantly, painfully obvious to those with any campaign experience that this is not going to be the team that gets Ron, not even over the line, but even in close contention.
It's amateur hour.
It's lightweight.
And here's the thing that really gets me about this.
We talk about underperformance, right?
Underperformance is an understatement.
Quite frankly.
This is him, Ron DeSantis, the popular, good governor, great governor, many people say, many of my Florida friends say, who is not just ruining himself in this election cycle, and is not just ruining it for himself in four years time, but is actually ruining himself in perpetuity for what?
For a couple of ego trips that are given to him by his back-slapping buddies who might be on the board at Fox News and so on and so forth.
And of course, his aspirational family around him.
The less we say about that perhaps right now, probably the better.
But there's another point about all of this that I want to make and it's that people need to internalize now that Ron DeSantis is primary Hillary.
You know, got the Media at his back.
You can have free airtime on Fox whenever he wants.
Get scarcely any critique by the corporate press, by the New York Times, by Politico, by the Washington Post.
All of these guys.
Yeah, every so often they'll throw out a story or two, something light, a little slap around the wrist.
But that's generic Republican slap around the wrist.
That's not you're the frontrunner.
That's not we're afraid of you.
That's not what we fear you'll do in the White House if you get there.
That's par for the course.
And so in my mind, he's primary Hillary.
Everyone's helping him.
He's got the road before him, you know, supposed to be crowned as this kind of anti-Trump or You know, not Trump figure in this primary.
And he can't get over 20 percent.
He cannot get there.
And I remember I was asked when I was standing outside the courthouse when the first indictment came down in New York.
Somebody shoved a microphone in my face and said, hey, what's your takeaway from today?
I said, my takeaway from today is Ron DeSantis has seen the peak of his polling numbers.
And it was absolutely correct.
And the donors are abandoning, and now he's having to run to the lawyers and lobbyists of Dominion Voting Systems in DC, where he will host a fundraiser tomorrow, at the lawyer of Dominion Voting Systems offices.
I mean, this is critical, critical desperation.
Well, and you know, there's a lot of people that are looking at this, and they're also taking a look and talking about Gavin Newsom, who's also on sort of a media tour right now.
He's in a bit of a back and forth with DeSantis, a tête-à-tête as they're traveling to each other's states, fundraisers, etc.
But Gavin Newsom, you notice, is not running against Biden.
Instead, he's willing to say, I support Biden.
He stands with Biden.
He says he has his back, while at the same time going out there and basically all but coming out and saying, hey DNC, I'm here if you need me.
I'm here should anything happen to the other guy, the big guy, right?
Should anything happen?
Should the 10% go away?
I'm right here.
I've got my veneers.
I've got my hair gel.
I'm all ready to go.
I'm willing to go up against Sean Hannity.
And by the way, he did very well against Hannity.
I think Hannity folded like a cheap suit with Newsom in this case.
I think there's many rebuttals and other, you know, responses that Hannity could have made that he simply didn't.
I don't know if he was just Again, dazzled by the veneers or whatever it was, but you don't see DeSantis doing that with Trump.
He's played this differently.
He said that I'm going to be running against Trump openly and that's created this fissure in the party.
By the way, Rahim, we actually do have that clip reminded.
So this is, what, mid-March, right?
This is mid-March.
You, about three months ago, standing out there in New York City as Trump's arraignment, or his original indictment, was announced.
Let's play the clip.
What's your gut feeling that's going to happen when this all unfolds?
I know that no one has a crystal ball here.
We don't know what day.
We don't know if anything's going to happen.
What's your gut telling you right now?
Well, my gut is telling me that Ron DeSantis peaked in the polls.
I think his missteps this weekend is certainly an interesting focal point of the campaign as it goes forward.
But I think it also says this, right?
It's very evident that Donald Trump is the man going forward.
He's the oxygen in every room here, politically.
When you talk about the legal elements of it, I gotta tell you, I don't have any moles in that office, not yet anyway.
Still working on it.
So I don't know when the trigger is going to get pulled on all of that.
What I can say to that, to all of it, is this.
It empowers Trump in a massive way.
It really does.
It really does.
It energises.
People have come here from all over.
I've come in from DC.
So there you go, and that's actually before Ron DeSantis announced that he was running.
You were essentially calling that he had already peaked the primaries effectively over the indictment.
Now we're seeing multiple indictments, probably two or three more yet to drop, galvanizing Trump's support.
Do you think it would have made sense for him to play this better the way that Newsom played it?
You made the correct point there, which is that was before the launch.
So it was a heck of a roll of the dice for me to say what I was going to say, what I said.
Because you expect a bump in the poll after your campaign launch.
And I took the opinion that I don't think he is going to have a particularly good campaign launch.
Obviously, I couldn't predict that it was going to be as bad and glitchy and botched as it was.
And it turned out that once again, Tallahassee delivered.
And Tallahassee continues to deliver.
You know, the secret here, He needs a shake-up of the campaign in a drastic, drastic way.
I mean, the chief consultant, Jeff Rowe, has to go.
The top staff in there right now, Pushore and all these guys, they have to go.
They have shown themselves to be fundamentally incompetent and they are ruining one of the best governors in America by continuing on this arrogant course, arguing with people online.
It doesn't work.
And that, by the way, is why people are jumping into the race, right, to answer your very first question, is people have seen this and they've allowed him this litmus test over the last couple of months.
Hey, can you break through?
Can you break through nationally?
No.
Can you break through locally anywhere?
No.
Can you break through in your own state?
No.
Well, something needs to shake up.
And I suspect that the next few days, maybe a week, are going to see some big movements in Tallahassee.
They have to get rid of that team.
It's a disaster, a disaster.
No, I think I think that potential shake ups are something.
And we've seen this from campaign after campaign.
This wouldn't be the first time that you saw campaign shake ups.
That could be something that comes out, having a new potential tack on things, a sort of a relaunch, if you will.
Stay tuned.
We're coming right back with Raheem Kassam more after this. .
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Raheem Kassam, I wanted to get your answer on that question, though.
Because we've seen now this the way okay the way DeSantis played this and people are saying it started out with us saying it and you were saying it uh even before he got in the race now you've got Larry Hogan saying it who's not exactly some uh Trump supporter I mean he's definitely not a Trump supporter uh but this this question about the underperformance of Ron DeSantis.
I said in the intro, it's like a minor leaguer who gets called up to the majors a bit too early.
It's not that he doesn't have the chops.
It's just that the whole package isn't quite there yet.
But when you look at like a Gavin Newsom, the way that he's playing it on the other side of the aisle, it seems as though he's standing there.
He's letting the party bosses know, hey, I'm right here if you need me.
I'm going to be on the team.
I'm going to be supportive, but I'm here if you need me.
Do you think that DeSantis would have been better served playing it like that?
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Especially after the oddly homoerotic meme of us that came out this week, which was very interesting.
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I was thinking that was just like a fever dream when I was driving home in the rain last night.
But yeah, no, apparently.
Apparently.
Listen, I've long been a fan of Tupac's Hit Em Up as one of the one of the pivotal diss tracks, and I'm more than happy to be not just in the music video, but a supporting actor, a dancer, in fact, behind Donald Trump in the video, which was which is wonderful.
A couple of things that I just want to make a point of on the, you know, back to the politics for a second.
And that's, you know, I really do think of this Uh, campaign that Ron DeSantis is running as the kind of fire fest of political campaigns at the moment.
Everything, uh, seemingly that can go wrong is going wrong and everybody gets to watch it in real time.
I mean, it's, it's extraordinary, uh, to behold.
And you talked earlier on about the, the, you know, you called it a tete-a-tete, uh, against Gavin Newsom, but you know, what, what, what was the tete-a-tete?
The tete-a-tete was Newsom says, let's debate.
Uh, DeSantis has stopped pussy footing around.
And then Newsom continues to pussyfoot around.
And I use this term, by the way, in reference to pussyfooting around, not what other people think I'm saying.
It's not tete-a-tete.
It's pussy-a-pussy is what's going on right now.
They're just gently pawing at each other like kittens.
And it's fundamentally embarrassing.
I mean, frankly, it's embarrassing for both sides, but I don't really care about Gavin Newsom's side, right?
I actually do have some stock in what DeSantis stands for, ostensibly, and how he runs his campaign.
And it's deeply disturbing and deeply, I think, disappointing.
And it's also disappointing, by the way, to the donors who have now ponied up millions upon millions of dollars to put behind this guy.
And not only are they not seeing a shift in their favour, they're seeing a slip in the polls.
Now, there's another way to think about this.
I saw Jason Miller posted the graph of, you know, the more money they raise, the further down in the polls.
Uh, the inverse correlation there.
I actually believe that every time Ron DeSantis gets up on a stage and starts talking about woke, woke, and his nasal woke, that's when he starts slipping in the polls because being anti-woke It's just the bottom, like bar, the bottom rung of the ladder of conservatism.
You know, you don't get to be celebrated because you're not a communist and not a satanist.
And that's what he's going around doing.
He's going around giving speeches and going, aren't I brilliant for not being a communist and not being a satanist?
And everyone's like, Yeah, I mean, we do expect that from you though, mate, like, to be honest with you.
And I think this is where it's all falling down.
It's gonna fall down further.
Because, you know, I don't expect Rick Scott and I don't expect Will Hurd to poll at more than 1-3%, and that's with a margin of error of about 3.5%.
But they won't be taking from Trump, those 1% and 3%, they will be taking from Ron DeSantis.
So maybe I'll make another prediction right here, by the way, like the one I made when you played in the last segment.
Maybe I'll make another prediction.
Ron DeSantis to 10% mid-summer?
Well, here's the issue as well, is that we were going through, and I hear this by the way, in leaked audio by the way, from TheNationalPolls.com, where they were laying out this delegate math strategy, this delegate math strategy for how Ron DeSantis can pick up delegates throughout the country, And then be, you know, in some of the states where like Iowa, for example, which apportions delegates throughout the caucus system, then other states like Texas and Florida are winner take all.
The issue then with Rick Scott running is that if he's able to pick up establishment GOP support, if Ron DeSantis picks up, you know, sort of that anti-Trump Republican support, plus, you know, I'm sure plenty of people in Florida just generally support him as the governor.
But if they divvy up that support base, Trump could come in with 34, 35, 36, even 40 percent, give or take, and he could sweep all of those delegates.
So if Rick Scott gets in the race, that's actually setting up the potential for DeSantis to lose his home state, isn't it?
Absolutely.
As if he wasn't already running on that trajectory.
And that's another disaster that's looming around the corner for him.
And now listen, I know there was some controversy the other day about this idea that they wanted to change the rules of the convention, to bar somebody who's indicted or whatever from not standing.
And it became kind of a theoretical, and he said, she said, OK, let me say something here, OK?
DeSantis people and DeSantis supporters and friends of DeSantis supporters have said to me for months now, That they are looking at how to change the rules at the convention to pick up, you know, so that they can rig it, right?
Rig it in their favor.
This is, by the way... It's the same thing we heard in 2016.
The exact same thing for Cleveland.
It's exactly the same thing.
We're not saying, like, oh, there's this new thing that's happening.
It's Jeff Rowe.
He did this for Cruz in 2016.
He's now running the DeSantis team.
Actually, if you want to, for a little bit of spicy political trivia,
The strategy to essentially take the nomination away from Trump at the convention by changing the convention rules was originally referred to as the steal of the 2016 Cleveland nomination and to wit, the original use of the phrase stop the steal
Actually referred to this strategy of taking the candidates, excuse me, the delegates away and denomination away from Trump by the delegates at the RNC in Cleveland 2016.
That's where Stop the Steal came from.
Sorry, DOJ.
Sorry to Nancy Pelosi.
It has nothing to do with insurrections.
It actually had to do with changing the rules of the RNC almost, what, eight years ago now out in Cleveland, which, by the way, was the last convention the Republicans have held.
Well, maybe Ron can pass the apologies to Nancy Pelosi for you, because tomorrow, as I say, he's doing a fundraiser in the Dominion lobbyist office in downtown Washington, D.C.
And who is one of their chief lobbyists?
Nancy Pelosi's former chief of staff.
It's a very cozy club, and it looks like Ron is in it.
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Alright folks, there's been a story going on and the United States Coast Guard will be holding a press conference at 3 p.m.
Eastern in just about 20 minutes time following human events here and this is a story that's captivated the nation.
I think it's captivated the world, suffice to say.
People asking what is going on with the Titanic sub, the Titanic 5.
We do have new information that is breaking and mentioned at the top of the show.
That unfortunately it is the worst case scenario and if you caught last night on Timcast we discussed this as well that unfortunately is the most likely also the potential worst case scenario that it does appear to be a catastrophic implosion that led to the destruction of this submarine as it was making its initial descent to the Titanic.
The landing frame we're getting and these are Initial reports, but there is an ROV that is a remote-operated vehicle.
It's essentially a drone that is a research vessel that is down on the sea bottom searching the seafloor.
They are saying that the initial indications are that the landing frame and rear cover of this submersible have been found.
On the bottom of the ocean and this of course means that the inhabitants of the submersible Unfortunately died instantly This would have not been the slow of people initially of course experts were looking at it as a race against the clock in terms of Did they have enough air?
How much air did they have?
Were they going to be able to make it?
Would they be able?
Is it 72 hours?
Is it 96 hours?
You know, do they have extra?
Even there was a Rear Admiral early this morning who came out and said, you know, we have to, of course, remember the fighting human spirit, the fighting spirit to live.
Well, unfortunately, in a situation like this, a hull breach on A vessel of this very small, admittedly small size, would be catastrophic.
There would be no way to fix this.
Death would be, it would be instantaneous.
And when we look at situations like this, I understand we're trying to bring on President and CEO of Hydrospace Group, William Conan.
We're working on getting him up.
We have a, I believe we have a connection issue, but we're working on this to kind of go through what happened How was this certified?
Why were they allowed to go down in a vessel that, when people are looking back at this thing now, there's a lot of questions.
People are looking at the videos.
People are looking at this situation.
Why were they allowed to go down in a vessel like this?
Okay, do we have him?
Do we have William?
All right, let's bring, all right guys, let's bring him in.
Now.
This is William Conan, president and CEO of Hydro Space Group.
They are a deep sea submersible experts.
They're engineers.
This is exactly what they specialize in.
And with us, William, and I understand you're getting the information just as we are.
Is this what you expected?
were you were you hoping for more okay and uh guys we're having a little bit of an audio issue apparently um the Not able to hear, not able to hear him.
We're going to see what's going on with that.
I thought we were right, guys, but I guess we're not there.
So Hydrospace Group, internationally recognized expert full-service engineering firm, pressure vessels for human occupancy.
You know, people need to understand, This is very deep.
13,000 feet.
This is deeper than U.S.
military submarines operate.
This is deeper than most large mammals, most aquatics, biologics would be found in.
Some, potentially some whales, some giant squid can swim at depths, theoretically approaching this, but for only short periods.
This is not a very forgiving part of the ocean.
I did spend some time on a submarine when I served in the United States Navy as an intel officer.
You know, I was not a I wasn't a submarine guy, but I did.
I had some experience put it that way.
Probably the easiest way to say that without breaking NDAs.
But people need to understand that at that depth, it is extremely dark.
Lights are only able to travel so far.
That's why the image, the footage that you would see from a typical camera... Think of the footage that you've seen of the Titanic, right?
The footage that you've seen is always very close up.
Why is that?
That's because the light is only able to travel so far.
So even though they have a porthole on the thing, you're only going to be able to see a little bit in front of the camera because Due to the salinity of the water, the pressure that's down there, the light is just not able to penetrate much further.
There was also, by the way, Snopes.com had an article out claiming, and this was crazy to me, claiming that Elon Musk's Starlink was somehow to blame.
They were trying to put this on Elon, blame him, and say that Elon Musk's Starlink was to blame because they lost communication with the submarine.
And I said, wait a minute, when you're on a submarine, when you're that far down, When you're even just a little bit in the ocean, you're not going to be receiving Wi-Fi, internet communications, you're not getting 5G down there.
I don't care how good your Starlink is.
Now, if you are potentially tethered to a pod or a weather balloon, if you're at periscope depth, there are ways obviously to receive signals at depth.
But if this thing wasn't on tether, which we were told it wasn't, if this thing wasn't directly connected, then no, there would be no way to communicate via Starlink.
And then so Snopes actually put out their story saying it was true that Starlink was involved.
It went and got community noted on Twitter, which of course is owned by Elon Musk.
This just shows that for a lot of people, they think this is like the movies.
They think this is like the Little Mermaid.
They think this is like, oh, we're just going to go down.
We have great technology.
People need to understand that the depths of the ocean are one of the great unexplored places of the United States.
And I'm told we have William this time.
William, do we have you?
1-2, 1-2, can you hear me?
I hear you loud and clear.
William, thank you so much for joining us today.
There we go.
Well, hi.
Yes, we have it up now.
Please go ahead.
Yeah, I was just listening to you on the Starlink.
Communication is important and people forget just how hard it is to communicate underwater with any vehicle.
We're so used to satellites, cell phones, radios.
And it was one of the strangest news we had from the very beginning that somehow the surface ship had lost complete communication with a submersible.
Both voice, text, and navigation pingered.
And that's very unusual.
And without those, it just makes everything so much difficult as we've had in the last three days trying to find out where is the submersible.
So with the latest news that we're seeing, of course, the debris field that we're told was found.
We've got a couple of minutes left before the break, but I do want to hold you over.
We're told there's a debris field.
We're told they found pieces of the submersible.
Do you think that's right then?
Does that confirm it looks like we're looking at catastrophic implosion?
Well, I've been hearing you for the last hour.
As engineers, to find debris, it's a matter of looking at what the parts are.
If it's a It's part of an antenna or part of a cowling.
That doesn't mean that it's imploded, right?
So just waiting, biding a bit of time here for the Coast Guard.
But we definitely know that the Coast Guard knows it's a charged term to use debris field.
Everybody knows what the insinuations are.
So I would suspect they wouldn't use the term loosely.
Well, I think that's a good point.
So, you know, of course, they're looking to set expectations.
They know they've got a tough job to do potentially from this perspective of, I think, what is it, about 15 minutes time?
We're told up in Boston now that they're going to be running forward.
With this press conference and I think that people are just looking for answers.
This story has certainly captivated a lot of people's attention, a lot of people's hearts and minds.
Some people saying that it was foolhardy, other people talking about the spirit of adventure, the spirit of exploration, pioneering.
We're coming up on a break but I'd love to hold you over to get more of your expertise on this.
Because again, it is, and to your point, it is a breaking situation.
We don't know for sure.
These are just the initial readings that we're getting.
Titan's mothership, eight hours that they spent looking for it before they reported it to the Coast Guard.
Five men locked inside on Sunday.
We're told oxygen would have run out about 7 a.m.
this morning, Eastern Standard Time.
The world had been praying for a miracle after this 21-foot vessel went missing, and unfortunately, it looks as though potentially that miracle is not coming this time.
Stay tuned.
We'll be right back here at Human Events.
We're gonna break it all down.
All right, we are back here with William Conan, who is a deep sea engineer.
William, in the break you were telling me that you were talking about the regulations, the fact that this is international waters, and I'm just gonna ask you point blank, would this submersible have been allowed to operate in US or Canadian waters?
No, no.
The Coast Guard in its, you know, jurisdictional authority, which is basically the people in charge of the coastal waters, Uh, like the Coast Guard would require the vehicle to be certified.
And so, uh, in addition, the classification or certification is optional.
Uh, if you're building your own submersible, you don't have to, to, to class it.
Um, Ocean Gate was not making it to, to sell.
So they had the option of not classing the vehicle.
Uh, but then if they'd operate in US waters, the Coast Guard would force them to.
It turns out that since they were operating international waters, they got around both as a loophole.
And, you know, the question is, how do you control something like that?
Well, it's an exception to an exception.
And, I mean, it's very unfortunate.
Most of our industry here, we've had an exceptional record of clean bill here of incidents for the last 50 years.
And we know why.
We pay a lot of attention, a lot of self-discipline that's exercised worldwide just to make sure we keep government at bay over here.
Of course there has to be some level of regulation and I suspect we'll be having some discussion on how we do that.
It's definitely an open loophole.
Well, I think that's right.
Now, when we're talking about depth, 13,000 feet, in terms of operating depth, would you consider that to be extreme?
Would you be consider that to be average common when you're talking about deep sea submersibles?
No, this is definitely in this category of extreme.
Just to give a, I mean, we build submarines, we've been building submarines for 30 years.
And I mean, going 300 to 1000 feet is deep.
I mean, just to go for fun.
I mean, this is very, very deep going 3000 feet or a thousand meters to put in reference at a thousand meters, any vehicle that is deeper than a thousand requires an export license.
So naturally within manufacturers, it becomes a bit of a de facto de facto line that, you know, you got a lot of explaining to do if you're going deeper than that.
So a thousand feet is what's considered very deep in the industry.
Going 4,000 meters is extremely deep.
There are today 10 vehicles that can go to that depth.
All of them are certified and Ocean Gate was an exception.
And most of these deep submersibles are three person, two or three person.
This was a five person.
That's why when it came up, you know, within our community, we are a small community.
These all exchanged.
The innovative idea to go 4,000 meters for five people, just that in itself was already extremely challenging.
Well, that's right.
And I can remember that just from my own experience in the Navy, that whenever we were dealing with with submersibles, or, you know, I happen to be in Naval Station Guam, just a couple of years after James Cameron made his trip down to Challenger Deep in the Mariana Trench.
I mean, that was it.
That was a single person submersible that went down that far.
There was no no idea of bringing multiple people, let alone five.
Right.
And Jim Cameron, Is if you remember the hall was actually quite small, right?
He practiced to sit in a very crouched position because the smaller the volume is, the stronger the cabin is to go all the way down.
So as you're getting, I mean, space is a luxury underwater under high pressure.
So making a very large cabin for five people like that is extremely difficult.
What would you say to the folks that point out and say it's too dangerous, we shouldn't be sending people down there, is it not worth it in terms of exploring the deep sea?
How would you respond to folks who say that we shouldn't be down there and shouldn't be exploring this depth?
No, there is no reason.
We know how to do this.
We do it every day, going to 20,000 feet.
That is not the problem.
It's just, it is difficult, you've got to be very careful, and it's expensive.
And say, well, it doesn't make sense if we have to pay that much for these vehicles in tourism.
Well, that's kind of self-limiting.
But to try and cut, to try and bypass that system is not wise.
No, I think we're all finding that out.
Do you expect that they'll be able to recover the Submersible at this point, even at that depth, whether or not the people have survived?
We're getting reports now that OceanGate is saying they don't believe the crew has survived, but do you believe that they'll be able to recover the Submersible itself?
Yeah, there's a significant deployment of equipment right now using remotely operated vehicles, ROVs, and these are these very large robots.
These are very large robots with manipulator arms, cameras, and I mean, they fix our oil wells and all.
So you definitely have the capability to pick things up and bring them to surface.
Yes.
Well, I think they will.
William Conan, President and CEO of the Hydrospace Group.
Thank you so much for joining us today.
For folks that are interested in what happened more, go check out Hydrospace Group.
William, thank you for joining us today.
Thank you, Jack.
Thank you.
God bless.
And you just have to say a prayer, folks.
Look, the spirit of adventure is a human spirit.
Something that everyone has.
And if we can show, I believe we have the photos of the five members.
You know, I saw people that they were saying, you know, oh, they, you know, wanted them to perish, wanted news like this.
We can't have that.
Even if you disagree with someone's options or someone's actions, these were human beings.
These people did not deserve to go like this.
And if there's any consolation, it is that it was fast, it was instantaneous, but at the same time, It is the spirit of adventure, it is the spirit of discovery, it is the spirit of innovation that drives humanity forward, that pushes everything forward.
There are many ways that we can drive that spirit of exploration, and we should never lose sight of it, whether it's pushing the frontiers of the depths of the ocean, pushing the frontiers of space, by the way, and no, I'm not going to do the William Shatner line, even though I know you want me to.
The idea is we should always be pushing forward to get to that next level.
That's the way that I look at things when I say we make America great again.
America is great when we are literally reaching for the depths, reaching for the stars.
