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Dec. 27, 2021 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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HUMAN EVENTS DAILY: SEX IN THE CITY GONE WRONG WITH ALEX CLARK

A very insightful discussion between The Spillover’s Alex Clark and Jack Posobiec on feminism, “girl boss culture” and how Sex and The City started it all.Here is your daily dose of Human Events with @JackPosobiecSupport the Show.

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This is Human Events Daily, the Christmas Conversations.
What I'm doing is I've taken some time off and we're going to be running a bunch of conversations with interesting people, with friends, with other luminaries of thoughts and intellect around the movement and around the Turning Point offices and run these during the Christmas season.
But I also want to do essentially...
Just kind of find topics that I thought were a little bit more evergreen and a little bit more timeless in the sense that you could really listen to these at any time.
Look, most of the time I'm talking about news of the day.
I'm like, this happened, that happened, here's what it means, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And a lot of these conversations get lost and I think there are deeper things that are going on in our world.
And who better, I thought, to talk about this than the hostess of both Poplitics and the new amazing breakout podcast, The Spillover.
It's Alex Clark, everyone.
Wow, that's like maybe the nicest introduction I've ever had on a podcast.
You gave me a very nice introduction on, you know, when I did Spillover, so I had to reciprocate a little bit.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, you told me what you wanted to talk about today, and I was like, okay, we're going there.
Well, honestly, I was like, I don't know who else I can talk to this about, but it came up recently.
I was on Tim Pool, and this was mentioned right at the end of the episode.
And I was there with my mom, funny enough.
So it's just a funny clip because we'd been a wedding earlier in the area.
I love that you always bring her around for your shenanigans.
I know, right?
It's funny because the left sometimes will go like, what does your mother think of this?
And I'm like, she literally is standing next to me and has seen, I think, every single interview and podcast and show that I've ever done.
100%.
She's with me.
She's my ride or die.
But the question that came up was, because they were talking about the Sex and the City reboot, and it's kind of scandalous, of course, that it's back, and there's all this controversy around it.
it, but there was something that the creator of Sex and the City said years after the show ended and her name was Candace Bushnell and she was the author it was a book originally and she wrote that she, in 2019 she gave an interview and said that she regretted choosing a career over having children and now she is truly alone.
And that's, and look, I'm not a Sex and the City guy, but I understand that that's like the general thrust of the show, right?
Well, and the show had a massive cultural impact.
If you're talking about it from a pop culture standpoint, that show generated so much when it comes to other TV shows and movies that were inspired by it.
Just that idea of a group of women who act like men when it comes to dating and taking their career by their own hands and all of that.
So this is where like Girlboss comes from.
Like the idea that sort of ethos of, hey, I'm the Girlboss.
I'm the bad mama.
Yeah, yeah.
The bad bee.
Yeah.
I'm the queen bee.
Like that kind of originates.
I'm not saying it was created by Sex and the City, but that was kind of The wave that it rode in on and then just crashed over society, but it also ties in with third wave feminism and it dovetailed with this sort of separation of the genders in many ways where,
you know, feminism, I think originally when it started, it was about women's empowerment, but then it almost turned into this like competition and then it became this sort of like Like, separation where, oh, we have to be against each other and women and men are constantly, you know, battling it out and women need to be on the pedestal and men need to be off the pedestal.
And it's like, all right, women, you got it.
Like, we gave you the pedestal.
You're on the pedestal now.
Like, are you happy?
Well, I don't understand.
Are you glad with it?
You know what I mean?
So like, Sex and the City was a big part of that.
Yeah, and this idea, somehow they started to mesh together and correlate.
You are more empowered as a woman, and it's more, you're a better feminist if you, the more guys that you sleep with, the more that you act like what a stereotypical man is, you know, supposed to act like, this frat star mentality.
I don't understand why that became empowering, but it was shows like Sex and the City, and I like the show, but I also have always, I've always, I grew up in a conservative home, And I watch those shows and I also can separate things from like, okay, this is entertaining, but this is not a way that you should live life.
Yeah, like I watched Game of Thrones and I don't go around like stabbing people and riding horses with swords and, you know, conquering Westeros.
Yeah, like I could watch as a high schooler, which, you know, so I was in high school and then finally went back and watched old DVDs of Sex and the City because that show had been out and long gone by the time I was in high school.
But I watched it and was able to be like, okay, this is entertaining or whatever, but also I can see how...
If women really lived their lives like this, it would be so incredibly destructive and demoralizing and sad and depressing, which is exactly what that author, the creator said.
The creator of Sex and the City said, but this was amazing.
So I posted that article because I knew that we were going to do the show and then I was reading it and we had mentioned it on Tim Pool.
And it had come out in 2016, I believe.
2019.
Oh, even sooner.
So, not that long ago, right?
So, 2019 it came out, and I was just kind of pulling it up to refresh myself on it, to familiarize myself with what she said, and then, you know, I tweeted it out just to my followers because, of course, that Section City is super in the news right now.
And then Candace Bushnell actually replies to my tweet.
What did she say?
The actual creator.
I'm going to pull this up.
So she replies to my tweet of this.
And I'm going to pull it up because I do not want to take the great Candace Bushnell out of her words.
She goes...
Why are you retweeting this old story?
As a matter of fact, I don't regret not having children.
I celebrate it.
And I encourage other women to do the same.
In the same tweet, she continues, come see my new show.
Is there still Sex in the City?
Which just got a rave review in the New York Times.
So I respond to that.
Someone's in damage control mode.
Right.
So I was going to say two things stick out to me in that reply.
One is that she's absolutely lying.
A hundred percent.
A hundred percent.
She believes the lie that she's telling herself.
Also, I think she backpedaled after that article and what she had said in 2019 came out because now she's got a reboot out.
She's got a Broadway show or whatever that is.
There's money to be made in that franchise.
So she can't say all of a sudden that franchise was destructive.
So when the show is done, right?
Because at that point in 2019, Sex and City had been gone for years and years and years.
And so she's actually taking time to reflect on it.
But now that the money train has come back around again, the show's back out again, she's out on Broadway doing a one-woman show.
Of course she can!
She has to clean up all of these, you know, unnecessary, inconvenient interviews that she gave, kind of repudiating everything that she had said during this.
And then one of my followers that she replied to them, they wrote, it's an old story now that she has a new show misleading women into lives of empty careerism, frivolity, antidepressants, and cat parenting.
And she replies, wrong.
It's dog parenting.
Oh, Oh my gosh.
And then after I wrote damage control, Mochi blocked me.
Nice.
Of course.
Yeah, she's humiliated.
And you know, it's a story that I have actually heard multiple times from conservative women, older conservative women.
What do you mean?
What do you mean?
They find conservatism later in their life.
So they leave the left.
And then by that time, it is too late.
They pursued the girl boss life.
They never had a family.
Then their eggs are dried up.
They literally cannot conceive.
And so, and they never married, and they're alone, and they're lonely.
So is, so what you just said right there, the one thing, I think the buried lead of it is, is this political?
Like, is this part of leftism, or is it something that, you know, we, because I don't necessarily think people would associate Sex and the City With a political party or a political ideology, but do you see it as being more tied to one side or the other?
Because I think that you are right that marriage, family, having children, attending religious services, that's clearly tied to conservatism.
The lie that has been sold to women that you need to be selfish.
You need to pursue your own self-interest.
You need to put yourself above everybody else.
We're in this me, me, me culture.
What I want, what I want.
Everybody else, move over.
Your career's more important than kids.
Money's more important than family.
You don't need a man to make you happy.
All of those lies have been sold to us from the left.
So that comes from the left.
Sex and the City as a show, when it originated, I mean, there were definitely more liberal ideas on that original series.
The new installment, the reboot is very left-wing and woke.
Well, yeah, yeah, of course.
Yeah, I've seen that.
But that just ideology, that like third wave feminist thing, that is from the left.
It's libertine what it is.
It's libertine.
Because conservatism has always been about preserving families.
Yes.
And having a family.
Look, I've said this before, but I don't know if I've said it on air or on the podcast or something that Because I remember somebody was asking me, they said, you know, how did you, you know, they're like, Poso, you're this like new right populist kind of version of conservatism.
They're like, you're not against social programs when it's for families.
But you do want, you know, a good tax structure, but you're not like a corporatist.
I don't understand, you know, how did you come this way?
And I said, no, no, no, you understand.
Like, I didn't change conservatism.
I'm just Christian, right?
I've always, I was always raised this way.
And my family all the way, all the way back on both sides, mom's side, dad's side, they're all Catholic.
And so for us, looking at it from this perspective, it's coming to conservatism with our Christian values and then saying, okay, We want a society that should be based around the family.
It should be centered around the family.
My birthday just came up, and my mom got me a book of Fulton Sheen Quotes, and he's a famous archbishop, and he ran a TV show in the 50s and 60s.
Just amazing.
The old clips, just the most base things you've ever seen.
And I pulled up, and it's like a quote for the day of the year.
And I pulled up the one for my birthday, December 15th, and I was like, oh, let's see what he had for my birthday.
And he actually said this quote, I'm going to butcher it, but he said, we need a society to be centered around having strong families.
Wow.
And if you're running into economic issues and economic costs to raise a family, then you need to change the economy.
And the state should come in and change the economy to be able to support...
I kid you not, this is what it actually had on my birthday.
To change the economy because you need to change...
What's he saying?
Because the economy should serve people.
People should not serve the economy.
And I'm like...
How is this the one that they chose for my birthday when we were going to be recording this and this is exactly what I was thinking about?
And I think it really is that broader question, you know, of things in our lives because this, like the sex in the city-ism, it's kind of like, you ever see, I talk about this sometimes, the It's a Wonderful Life.
Yes.
Right.
So, you know, at that point, and everyone thinks of it as a Christmas movie, and of course it's a Christmas movie, but you know the part where they show the dystopian version of the world?
And this is where I always explain to people that it's much more than just a Christmas movie going on here.
So you have Bedford Falls is where they live, and then Potterville is where they go to in the dystopian version.
And, you know, Bedford Falls is like this great town and George Bailey's helping people have their houses.
And, you know, even if he's not making a lot of money on their loans, he knows that it's a real help to these people to be able to keep a roof over their heads so that they can have strong families and they can live this way.
But Mr.
Potter, he doesn't care about any of that stuff.
He just wants to buy all that land up and then, you know, demolish all those homes and put up like speakeasies and saloons and bars and casinos and gambling because, of course, that makes a lot more money than just some rinky-dink old houses, right?
And that's Potterville.
So one side is like the quaint community where people all know each other on the same street and the other one is just like money, money, money, go, go, go.
And there's that one character, and she's kind of like, I guess you might say she's a troubled girl in the early one, and George is trying to help her out in Bedford Falls.
And they don't quite come out and say it, because remember, this is the 1940s.
But you can tell that in Potterville, she's Basically, they're implying she's a prostitute.
Yeah, like she gets around.
Yeah, like she's like, she's like a, what do they call that?
A lady of the evening.
Right, right.
A lady of the night.
A lady of the night.
You know, whereas before, I guess they would have called her, I guess my grandma would have said like, she's like a fast girl.
She's a fast girl, you know?
But my favorite part of this, right, as they're all going through and George is like, Clarence, Clarence, you gotta tell me.
Where's Mary?
He's like, oh, George, you don't want to see Mary.
You don't want to see it.
No, show me, Clarence.
Where is she?
Where is Mary?
Well, you're not gonna like this, George, but she's about to close up the library, George.
She never married.
She's a spinster!
No!
No!
Right?
And it's like in the 1940s, that was considered dystopian and nightmarish.
Yeah.
And that...
And of course, it's a librarian and library studies and go get your masters and this is considered the highest pinnacle today.
And so I look at this movie and specifically that scene and that word spinster, which is gone from our vocabulary here in modernity.
It's like, wait, how did we go...
From Bedford Falls and kind of fall into Potterville and not really realize that we actually moved from one society to the other, from the 1940s to today.
Well, now they wouldn't even say, she's a spinster.
They would say, she's a spinster and she's a man.
Oh, no, no.
Right, because you'd have to add something to make, like we would say, oh, well, she's like in her late 30s and she's not married.
Like, so what?
Whatever.
Who cares?
Well, society, look, when you get further and further away from God's design for marriage, for gender, for society, for culture, you're always going to see destruction and depression and sadness and anxiety.
And look what we have.
We have the highest levels of depression and anxiety.
And it's like, well, we've given everyone what they want.
Everybody can be what they want to be.
Everyone can do what they want to do.
And yet, for some reason, everybody is so unhappy.
Why is that?
Because maybe God was right when he had designed us as women to have these certain desires and to be this certain person in a family and in a marriage and, you know, design men to be this person for a family and a marriage.
And we both went opposite directions of what was designed for us.
Look, I said this on Tim Pool and I'll say it again.
Men, we can go out and build a bridge and we can write a song and we can write symphonies and we can build all of these amazing things in the world and create things.
There's one thing that men can't do, and we cannot create life itself.
And that is an actual miracle, an actual miracle.
And I've seen my wife, Tanya, do it twice now, where God has bestowed women with this power.
And it's designed, it's from birth, right?
Like, I went, and when I was studying Mandarin Chinese, that took so long for me to learn that, right?
Women can just create people automatically, right?
That is by design.
And it's an absolute miracle.
It's a real miracle.
It happens all the time.
And, you know, we constantly overlook it.
We constantly overlook that it's like a literal superpower that women have.
And yet we just act as if it's like, oh, it's just something that happens every once in a while.
Whereas I look at it and I say, I think this is the most important thing in all of society.
It is.
And I'm a young millennial, so I was born in 93.
The girl boss stuff was sold hard to me.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
So the sort of like, and I was talking before, this is like the, I guess I'm like an elder millennial because I'm 84.
Right.
I've actually argued that if you were born in the 80s, you should be called a centennial because you're not quite Gen X, but you're also not quite millennial either.
Yeah.
Because, you know, we were born, like, we still rode bikes.
We didn't have the internet until we were, like, high school, college.
So our prefrontal cortexes were already, like, on their way to being formed.
And then all of this stuff hit, but we weren't raised with technology.
And so you get kind of like the, you know, sort of like you don't take everything super seriously the way that Gen Xers did.
But at the same time, you're not jaded.
You still kind of have like this hopefulness, which I do believe generally comes from millennials.
Like there's this kind of like, sometimes people see it as naivete, but I see it as like, and many times it is.
It's a mentality of we can really change the world.
Yeah, exactly.
And Gen Z does not share that.
No, no, no.
Gen Z is like a whole different thing.
But...
I definitely see this with the core millennial generation, and it's rough.
It's almost like a wasted generation, to be honest, because there was so much crap that happened, so much social programming that was hit.
Plus, so you've got the Iraq War that's hit, the War on Terror.
We lived through all this stuff.
Then the massive amounts of government propaganda, social propaganda, movies, TV, etc., Then you get the Great Recession, 2008, right when people are trying to graduate college, when people are trying to get jobs, when people are trying to start their careers, boom, nothing for you.
So what do people do?
They go back to school.
And they went, how do you go back to school?
Well, I'll just go and get some more debt.
And I remember having those conversations with people when they were like, well, I'm just going to go into some more debt and I'm going to go get my master's.
And I'm like, I don't think that's a good idea.
I don't think you're already like, At, you know, five digits and dead.
Like, you're gonna go and get more without a job?
I am so thankful.
Like, what are you doing?
I did not go to college and I am so freaking thankful every day that I didn't because I am not sure that I would have turned out Conservative.
I mean, just seeing what my friends have gone through and the conditioning that they went through and the indoctrination, I'm just not sure.
I'd like to think that I would have still, but you never know.
And so I'm really glad that I didn't go down that path.
But because this girl boss stuff was sold so hard to my friends and I, I know so many young women then did not have any interest in getting serious with other young men.
No one was seriously dating.
It was a huge...
A huge focus on hookup culture.
It's all hookup culture.
And because of that, so at that time, I feel like young guys were wanting to pursue young women.
We denied them.
We humiliated them.
We rejected them.
Now they're pissed off and they say, fine, I don't want anything to do with serious relationships.
Now I'm seeing a turnaround where Young millennial women are now like, okay, now I am serious.
For me, I never was involved in hookup culture stuff.
I've always been someone that's wanted to get married young.
It just hasn't been God's timing yet, but I've always wanted that.
As soon as God's willing to let that happen for me, I welcome it.
I'm so excited for that time in my life.
It just hasn't.
But I know that for me, when I'm bringing it up to guys, hey, I'm dating for marriage.
I want something serious.
I'm looking for something serious.
No young guys are interested in it.
They've all been so burned and And every single day they're being told by society and culture that, you know, being a straight white male, for example, is evil and horrible and the worst thing you could be.
Now they're kind of, they have a chip on their shoulder.
Well, Alex, not only that, but you know what's happening though?
And I've seen this and I know people like this.
I know millennial guys who are now in their early to mid thirties and you know what they're doing?
They're dating zoomers.
Well, but isn't that what every guy does?
Every guy always wants to date the 24-year-old.
Right.
Which normally is like- Every generation.
Boomer.
They could be a boomer and they want to date a 24-year-old.
But what's different is where does that leave the girl bosses?
Alone in spinsters.
Yeah, exactly.
So that's my point is like, you know, this went on for so many years and now you're at a point where it's like, hey, if you're pushing 40, you know, like, and you've got another guy who's like, well, I could date someone who's 24.
I could date someone who's 22.
And why would I Right?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, why would I go for that when I can go for something younger?
And that, by the way, is, as you say, is generally traditional, is that women tend to date older men and men tend to date younger women.
My parents are eight years apart.
This was super normal for years and years and years and years.
What was different was that the girl bosses just said no all the way up.
Okay, honesty hour.
You're married to Tanya, who I adore.
Oh my gosh, you're outing me as being married and having kids.
Oh no!
What will this do for my brand?
No, the honesty part is, if you had not met Tanya, if right now in your life you were still single, do you think you would be pursuing women that were in Gen Z or millennials?
Oh my god!
Oh man!
Oh man!
Wow!
Wow!
Um...
You know, look, for me, it would be, look, I go back to what you said, you know, I, you know, had relationships before Tanya, obviously, and we met at a Bible study.
And people always think I'm putting them on when I say that, but I say, look, I think God brought her into my life at that time and at that reason, for that reason.
And what I wouldn't necessarily say that I would be looking for somebody You know, elsewhere, but that's because God has already given me my soulmate, right?
I've met my soulmate and that happened and it's been amazing.
Like, I've actually met her and we're together and we're married and it's incredible.
But it was also because I made the steps to say, look, I don't want to date to date.
I want to date to marry.
I want to look for someone that I want to get married to.
And why would I go to a bar?
Oh, by the way, I always had a rule.
All my years in the military, no dating military.
Ever.
Not even once.
Look, let me just tell you something.
There's a lot of great girls out there, and there's a lot of girls in the military, but I always said that For me, I just felt that, you know, the type of girl that wants to join the military and do that, maybe not the girl that I'm looking forward to for.
Yeah, I can't imagine you with a girl like that, honestly.
I mean, knowing Tanya, I know that she's perfect for you.
And, you know, the fact that you guys speak 400 languages and all the different things, like, it's so you guys.
And I can't imagine you...
Being right for someone else or her being right for someone else, like just having met you guys and being around you.
But yeah, I definitely couldn't imagine a military chain.
My roundabout answer to your question is that, you know, I'd be looking for a godly woman, right?
That to me is the most important thing, and I think that...
So age would be secondary.
Yeah, I think that, you know, I didn't ask her her age until...
Well, I didn't.
I went on Facebook.
Yeah, no kidding.
No, you definitely did some internet stalking knowing you.
Oh, but she did the same thing.
Plus, by the way, for like the first two weeks, she would not give me her number.
I love that for her.
Kid you not.
She was like, and I've asked her about this for a while, and I'm like, why would you not give me your number for like the first, like you were clearly into me, and like we were going out on like multiple dates.
So how did you contact her to go out if you didn't have her number?
Over Facebook.
Oh my gosh.
And then so I get on Facebook and then I found her through, like, because we had mutuals from the Bible study.
So I find her on there.
We contact, hey, great to meet you, blah, blah, blah.
And then eventually I've gone back though and I've been, because there were times where, you know, you slip it in there like, hey, let me get your number because I want to text you this address or, you know, blah, blah, blah.
Very slick.
Right.
Yeah.
You slide it in, you slide it in.
But she would always say no early on.
So now years later, I've kind of gone back and, like, questioned her because, you know, obviously we're much past that.
And it's like, why?
What was that about?
And she goes, oh, well, I preferred you to only have my Facebook.
I was like, why is that?
She goes, well, if I didn't like you, then I could just block you.
That's so good!
Oh, no!
She's too smart.
And then she goes, I was like, why?
And she's like, Some guys just want to date a European girl and I wanted to make sure you weren't one of those.
Oh my gosh.
And I'm like, wow.
Wow.
So yeah, she was using a social media filter so that if some guy was trying to date her, that they wouldn't be able to have all the direct details to get in.
So it's pretty That's actually pretty smooth.
I was like, all right, I can respect that.
I can respect that.
I married a smart girl.
But no, look, I mean, one thing, though, that I do feel sad about is I wish I had kids earlier.
That math sucks.
I hate that.
I mean, every day I'm like, I'm just thinking because I'm going to be 29 in February.
And so I think about that.
I'm like, I have a biological clock.
Like, so I'm like, God, please bring me my guy.
Let me get married.
Let me start having kids.
Because I think about that.
Because you do the math of like...
Once you eventually do have kids, and this is just for everyone in general, then you realize, okay, this kid at this age, that means when they're 18, I'm going to be, oh.
And then when they're 20, and then when they're 30, and then when they're 40, oh.
Oh, oh, right?
And so you realize that that's why it's better to order a society into something where those marriages can happen, those connections can happen at an earlier age.
You're always dating to marry.
You're always looking for this.
And in traditional cultures, this is what they still do because it just makes for a better family that way.
And look, I'm not, you know, every time I talk about this kind of stuff, people come at me like, I had kids at this age and they're great.
We have a great relationship.
I'm not attacking anyone.
I'm talking about a general social situation.
There's a majority.
There's a minority.
I totally understand that there are some women that tell me I never wanted kids.
I don't have kids.
I never got married.
I'm the happiest I've ever been.
And I'm 50.
Great.
Few and far between, though.
When you're looking at the majority, most responses do say, I wish I had kids earlier.
I wish I would've gotten married.
I wish that I would've put a family above my career.
That's what we're talking about.
Obviously, there's gonna be some exceptions, but those people on the internet are so annoying.
I always tell people, like, if you send me stuff like that, I'm just gonna block you.
I had people, so we were talking about this on Tim Pool, and then because my mom was there, that we had just been at a wedding earlier in the area, and Tim was like, hey, stop by, do the end of the show, and we were talking about this issue, and I was like, you know, I actually know someone who could probably shine some light on this, and my mom's sitting right here, and she comes over.
And my mom worked as a biologist in research and development for 40 years.
She just retired and she got married in her 20s.
She had me at 23 and then she had my brother three years later, so 26.
So she had two kids with an associate's degree.
And then she was working full time and then she went back, I think when we were in high school, she went back and started doing night school, got her bachelor's at that point, then continued on, got her master's while we were in college.
So like we always joke that we were in college at the same time and we were both in Philadelphia going to college.
So I was at Temple University and she was at Jefferson.
And then she just continued with the same company.
Now, a lot of that track is different now.
Like, it's hard to stay with one company for so many years.
But she was able to, with that one company, stay with them for 40 years.
She got her master's degree.
And she had two kids in her 20s and figured out a way to make it work.
And it's like, you can do that.
And you don't have this.
This has been the biggest problem, I think, of this with Candace Bushnell saying this, you know, I regret choosing kids over a career.
It's like, why do you have to make that choice?
Right.
You don't have to make the choice.
You just might have to do different timing.
You know, like your mom had kids, then she went and got her masters.
Exactly.
You might have to do things a little bit different timing than other people, but you can absolutely do both.
Because the way they sell it to you, the way they sell it to you, and I saw this happen to so many, you know, millennials, centennials, whatever you want to say.
Is that, you know, you go to college, get good college, and then you become more competitive.
So a master's makes you even more competitive, and then you get your job, and then you do life, right?
Then you do quote-unquote adulting, right?
That's what they always say.
And then so it's like, why?
Why do you have to do it this way?
And I know...
I don't know if I have a lot to say, but Charlie's working on a book basically about this.
Oh, good.
Because I think, and Charlie and I both feel the same way about this, and Charlie and I both are the exact same age.
We were both born in 93.
Charlie Kirk and I is who we're talking about.
And Charlie also agrees with me that after you graduate from high school, whether that's through homeschool or traditional schooling, you should take a break a few years off and then decide, do I still want to go to college?
Or can I pursue a trade?
Or, you know, Start my career without that.
Because Charlie and I both did that.
And then we ended up starting our careers in various ways.
He started Turning Point USA. I started a career in pop radio.
And then, you know, now, almost 10 years down the road, him and I are here at the same place.
But Yeah, we both agree with that.
You can do things on a different path.
Is this necessary, right?
Is this type of thing the thing that I need for success in life?
And then it's how do you determine success in life?
And I think because of these...
You know, massive, right?
There's massive money behind these programs for getting people into school, saying, this is what you have to do, this is the way to do it.
And I think for the baby boomer generation, colleges and universities represented something that was very different than what it turned into because it was this idea that, remember, going to college used to be something kind of special, right?
If you were going, oh, college man, college man, you know, college girl, right?
That was something that wasn't for everyone.
That meant that there was something special, but this idea that everyone in the same way that they used to say that homeownership was the American dream.
And so the government came in and got involved in home loans.
Look how that turned out.
Now the government came in and got involved in school loans because they said everyone deserves to go to college.
And it's like, did we ever sit back and say, do we need these things?
Are they teaching us stuff that we actually need to use to be successful in life?
Or are you perpetuating a system that's enriching yourselves, enriching your friends, enriching, you know, and you go to these schools and they're like, we've got a rock climbing wall and we've got a fountain that you can jump in when you're a senior and you're like...
What do I need this stuff for for my life?
What are you going to teach me academically?
Are you going to teach me how debt works?
Are you going to teach me how to start a business?
Are you going to teach me how to balance a checkbook?
But I guess today they would say take in loans and become liquid.
Are you going to teach me how to buy crypto?
My graduating class, I graduated.
There's so many ways to make money now.
Well, I graduated in 2011.
My graduating class when we were in middle school, we were the last group before they got rid of it to have a...
It was called something else where I grew up in Indiana, but it was essentially a home economic class where we learned things like how to do laundry, basic things, cooking.
They do not...
They got rid of those classes in public schools.
It's few and far between to find a public school or school district in America that is teaching those things to young men and women.
I always joke that like...
In school, they'll teach you the difference between lava and magma.
You don't need to know that.
It's like lava is when it's out of the ground, but magma is when it's in the ground, but they won't teach you what debt is.
And that's why I am so gung-ho and sold out on homeschooling, and I don't even have kids yet, Jack.
I have read so many books on homeschooling and parenting and all this because I just feel like, hey, in my season of singleness that I'm in right now, I just want to prepare.
I want to know as much as possible so that by the time I meet the right guy and then we're getting married and having kids, we can get started and I know what I want to do.
But I really feel like the homeschoolers have gotten it right.
And I feel bad that they have been so stigmatized and stereotyped, you know, that all these kids are losers and they're dumb and that they're not smart.
Homeschool kids have higher SAT scores.
Now we're reasoning it.
Yes.
And realizing there was a reason for that stigmatization, and the reason was there were billions and billions of dollars behind this idea of sending everyone to public schools and sending everyone to college.
Yeah.
The homeschool jungle freak, so to speak.
They made fun of in the movie Mean Girls, which also had a huge cultural impact on my age group.
So all of that, I'm realizing, was all wrong.
And was it all part of Hollywood's propaganda to work with public schooling, education in this country, the left?
Indoctrinating all these kids.
Keeping us in public school longer.
Don't homeschool them.
They'll be weirdos.
They'll never make a living.
And the homeschool kids are making more money.
Like I said, higher test scores.
Smarter.
They know how to take care of themselves.
Having families.
They've got it right.
It's funny too for us because we're raising our kids to be multilingual and people always say, well, they're at the age yet where they would have to choose between it yet and I think we're leaning towards homeschooling at least as we're going to give it a shot and then see where it takes us after a couple of years.
But when they say about socialization, it's like he's constantly around other kids.
Like we go to church and he's with kids.
Then we go and do activities afterwards with the kids.
We're all together.
We've got like friend groups.
It's a lie to sell fear and to scare parents into not homeschooling.
It's ridiculous.
But what's crazy though, what's crazy is public schools, which are, and Michael Malice says this all the time, they are literal prisons.
Yes.
And they're the only place where most people in their entire lives will face physical violence.
Because we set these things up where they're not there to teach you.
It's rote memorization drills, and they're teaching you to sit down, stand up, raise your hand, jump, get up when the bell rings, move to the other room, sit down.
This was a system that was designed for German factory workers during the early stages of the Industrial Revolution.
Because Germans, in their coldless, inhumane efficiency, yeah, that works very well if you want to design, you know, an entire generation of factory workers, but it's actually teaching people things, right?
The idea used to be that you would gain mastery over a certain subject, right?
And then you would be passed on.
But this whole idea of, like, we're going to have letter grades and number grades, and then you're going to be moved from this one to this one is very, very German thinking, right?
And then you're passed on, and then you graduate, and you get a slip of paper that's your certificate.
And it's like, your certificate of what?
You ask people what they learned in high school, and they say, I don't remember.
What you do remember is the infighting, the cliques, the groups, this constant rack and stack of people that's going on while, by the way, you're going through puberty, and your hormones are hitting, your body's doing all sorts of crazy things.
And you have all these crazy pressures that are going on.
And then we force people through this system at the exact same time.
And we wonder why people snap.
And if somebody's falling behind or somebody is moving really far ahead, they all have to be stopped for the other kids.
Oh my, don't even get me started on that.
Yeah.
Don't even get me started on that.
If you understand all this math and stuff, you could be six months behind waiting for all the other kids in your class to catch up to where you are.
I was the kid in class.
In homeschool, you can tailor everything for your kid if they need to spend more time on a book or more time on a certain math.
You're literally triggering my PTSD right now from all those years.
Yeah.
You know, I'm sitting there and I was a kid, like I'm doing my homework in class and then getting it done and then getting yelled at because, you know, I'm goofing off or something and I'm distracted.
And it's like, it's like you weren't paying attention.
It's like, well, you weren't, you know, I could see you, you were talking, you were passing notes, you're doing this, you're doing whatever.
And It's like, they're like, you don't even know what I was just saying.
And I'd be like, you were just saying it.
Like every single thing they just said, I can like delivering the lesson back.
And it's like, no, I get this.
I got it.
Like, I got it in the first five minutes.
Like, I don't know why I'm in a 45 minute class where you have to explain this to everybody.
I'm bored out of my mind.
And I think the word itself, homeschool, people freak out and they think, well, my kid is just going to be in four walls every day.
They're not experiencing other cultures.
They're not socializing, like you said, and that's a big fear for everybody.
But the thing that they don't understand is your kid has the freedom to experience more cultures and travel.
The word homeschool doesn't mean your kid has to literally learn in home.
You can go say, we're going to spend a summer in Europe.
You can do all kinds of things.
You can do your studies at the beach.
You can study on the weekend.
You can study through the holidays and then, you know, take a break in the middle of February.
You can do whatever you want.
You're not limited like what you are in a traditional public school atmosphere.
Like, I'm talking like, you know, I'm this homeschool expert, which is funny because I don't even have kids.
One thing that we've actually discussed is, you know, for language learning and for cultural learning is At some point when, you know, they're a little bit older, to have our kids go and then maybe spend summers in Eastern Europe with Tanya's family.
Yeah.
So that when they're over there, they can see, you know, number one, see what it's like living in a post-communist country and see that everybody lives in block homes and block housing, to see the burnt-out ruins of World War II and the remnants that are still there, that like, hey, we used to have a nice castle.
They're gonna be calling you after eight hours, Dad!
Can we come home?
Yeah, yeah.
But then also seeing how people live, so obviously the language is different, but then also, and it would be great for that, and we are, like I said, we're raising them to speak, but also the food is so different.
So the idea, like, this whole American thing that we do of you go to the supermarket, and then you just buy, or Costco, whatever, and you buy all the food that you're gonna need for like a week or two, and you stuff it in your fridge, like that's a very American, modernist kind of thing.
So in Eastern Europe, they don't do that.
They'll go out, And they buy everything fresh.
Every day.
Because it's straight from the farm and that's the food that you're going to eat today.
And the only thing that you would ever put in the fridge is leftovers.
So the fridges are smaller and they're only made for just the food that was prepared maybe the day before and you haven't finished it yet.
So you're going to put that in your fridge.
And it's funny because that's exactly what Tanya does at home.
Even though she's lived in the U.S. now for 15 years, she still has that mindset of, no, I'm going to buy something and then we're going to cook it today and we're going to eat it today and then we're going to save it.
So it's all fresh.
It's all like you would say farm to table, I guess, in the U.S. But like over there, it's just food.
And it doesn't have the kind of preservatives and the GMOs and everything that it has in the U.S. When Tanya's parents are here, actually her dad refuses to eat fast food and so much of this stuff.
Yeah, probably disgusts them.
He's like, this is rubber.
This is not food.
It is.
I'm not eating this.
But it's because he can really tell what real meat and real vegetables and real bread are supposed to taste like.
I agree, but I still love me some chicken nuggets.
I should've known.
I should've known.
The chicken nuggets and the cinnamanese are gonna come up.
But so, I guess my real question is, and to kind of wrap this all up, I think people are finally starting to question these things.
Like, do you see...
I see there's a split going on right now.
Clearly, with Tinder and hookup culture, that has definitely taken off.
And it's led to hypergamy, which is going on, which is this idea that you're having more and more women that are all driving towards the top 5% of men.
So the other 95% of the dating pool is like, oh, they got swiped left on.
And that's clearly leading to more depression and more anxiety out there.
But you are also seeing a lot of people, and I see this with Zoomers, where they're like, you know, those millennials don't seem like they have it all together.
Maybe they got some stuff wrong.
We should do something about this.
So do you think people are waking up to this kind of stuff?
Are you seeing that kind of split going on out there?
They're waking up, but what's really scary and sad to me is that it's almost translating into anger.
I feel like with Gen Z. Extreme anger and anxiety.
They're just so mad over everything.
Gen Z is super anxious.
They're super anxious.
They're so anxious.
And they're sad all the time.
Even I was talking to Abigail Schreier about this on my podcast, The Spillover.
But it's not just sad.
It's like they fluctuate really fast.
And in one day, they could be super sad.
And then they're super happy in the morning.
But they're all medicated.
Wow.
They're all medicated.
Even what I was telling her was even rap music is sad.
So the hip-hop that you and I grew up with, which is like partying and having fun and make a lot of money, none of the rap music is like that.
If you turn on any- Get ready to die trying.
Yeah, the hip hop music now is everything is about, I'm popping Xanax bars, I'm depressed, all my friends are dead.
It's literally lyric.
That's what it is about.
And so it's almost like they feel hopeless.
And so I hope that maybe we can start with a pandemic and everything.
One big thing I hope will help them to turn around and wake up is that with the pandemic, they've all dropped out of college.
A lot of kids have put college on hold.
And the workforce.
Yes.
So I'm hoping, okay, maybe, fingers crossed, a lot of them will not end up re-enrolling and they'll just drop out completely and then pursue careers and stuff and get out of that hellhole mindset.
And that they will be woken up, taken out of that trance.
So they've kind of, it's kind of like they've correctly identified that, you know, the absolute end of modernity is oblivion, right?
There's no answer.
There's no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
Like, at the end of this road is a clip.
I mean, don't you feel like with all your studying of Antifa, just that a lot of them just feel like, what's the point?
Let's just burn it all down.
Well, so there...
I mean, they do have that belief, but then there's also people who kind of have this utopian ideal within the anarcho-communist movement that...
It's almost like, okay, if there's a cliff at the end of the road, then we can create heaven on earth and it's this utopian, you know, Zuckerverse kind of...
Well, the metaverse is coming, so there you go.
Throw the shackles off of the...
Right, and so, like, you know, throw the shackles off and we can create a utopia here.
And this is what you saw in the Bolshevik Revolution and many other revolutions throughout the world.
But also with the metaverse, right?
It's an answer for the hopelessness, right?
It's an answer for the emptiness that people feel because they are living these atomized, atavistic lives where they realize that like, hey, I'm just a worker drone and I don't want to just be a worker drone.
And it's like, coming up next on Netflix, you know, is like your whole life.
But maybe the answer, let's get back to basics.
Maybe the answer isn't to like- But there is another path.
What?
Which was what we're talking about, though.
Well, that's what I'm saying.
Get back to basics and having a family, and why don't we go back to, like, what has created different societies and cultures all around the world from, you know, from the beginning of time?
Why don't we get back to that?
Instead of, let's try the metaverse now.
Let's try not owning any real property.
Let's just own $200,000 plots of digital land, which my pop...
People on my Poplitics team were showing me that the other day, and I... That was so weird to me to see literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on fake land.
And I said, why don't they just take hundreds of thousands of dollars and buy a real plot of land?
And they said, because they just think this is the new thing.
And I'm like, what?
Because that's hard.
Then you actually have to run it.
We're in Phoenix right now, and we rented this house.
If you want to have grass, if you want to have flour, guess what?
You have to water it constantly.
Your water bill goes up.
Are you going to have sprinklers?
What are the taxes going to be?
Yeah, guess what?
That's actual responsibility in the real world.
It's not just like this gamification of everything where like, oh, I bought something, so it's mine and everything works and it's perfect all the time.
Like, no, of course not.
You know, things deteriorate and this is why there's an amortization schedule.
And again, they don't want us to understand debt and assets and how that stuff works.
So, you know, great time, by the way, to buy houses on debt, like with interest rates the way they are right now.
And like, it might be changing, you know, coming up soon in 2022.
But like, this is absolutely the time if you're able to get in.
That's why everybody's buying up houses, because they realize that it's like free money.
Especially with inflation, where it is, because you're locked in for 30 years.
That means if your rate is 2.3, and it's locked in for 30 years, and inflation is 7%, then it's free, basically, right?
Because it cancels itself out.
But they don't want people to think that way, right?
So then you're accumulating money, you're accumulating wealth, you're generating wealth, you have something that can be your legacy.
And then with a family, you have people to actually pass it on to.
And that's something that, you know, when you talked about homeschooling, when I'm thinking about my kids, it's, you know, it really is this idea of, you know, we have all of these things that are just distractions from real life.
Like they're just distractions from actually creating something and doing something in reality, because at the end of the day, When you live a godless life, you're trying to do everything you can to distract yourself before you die because you believe that there's oblivion, right?
And this is nihilism, right?
That there's nothing else that happens, so what does it matter?
And it's just a distraction up until the moment you die.
Life doesn't have to be that way.
Life didn't used to be that way.
Life is amazing.
Life is awesome.
And you can create things and you can have a family and you can affect the matrix.
And having children, I think, is the only thing you can actually do that directly affects the matrix in that sense.
Because you are now adding people and adding more beings into it.
But have kids and raise them yourself and don't let culture raise them.
And that's key.
This is the key.
Because for you to pass on your traditions and your culture and your language and the things that you've learned.
When I first held my oldest son in my arms, I think, man, I've got to get you caught up on so much stuff, you know?
So much.
But there's so much I got to fill you in on.
There's all this backstory.
But at the same time, it's like, if I don't do that, who will?
Hollywood?
Wikipedia?
You know?
Academia?
No way.
I have to.
It's a mission.
It's a mission I have in my life now.
TikTok, scarier.
Right.
You know?
And so, it's like, you realize that, oh, we are designed for this purpose.
And there is a reason for this.
And there's a reason that men and women fit together.
There's that meme of it, right?
The guy gets up and he goes, all corporations on their boards should be 50% male and 50% female.
Yay!
All children should have a mother and a father.
No!
And it's like, There's a reason this stuff works.
There's a reason the Bible was written this way and just did a conversation with Charlie, we talked about that, but it's almost like, you know, and if you need to take the Jordan Peterson view of these things, because you're not ready to accept that there actually is a God, right, then at least Go to it from the Jordan Peterson method of looking at it as positive allegories and metaphors for guidelines on how you should live your life because guess what?
Human nature has not changed in 5,000 years.
And if you're listening and you're not a Christian, which I don't assume that everybody – I think most of our – both of our audiences are Christians usually, typically are Catholic for you.
But if you're not and you still are interested in what we're talking about with homeschooling and all these things, The book Wild and Free, it's like wild plus sign free, is a whole book about homeschooling.
There's nothing religious about it.
It is just about not letting society raise your kids and why homeschooling is better.
And she dispels every single myth that we are talking about.
That you're, you know, well, I'm not educated enough to teach my kids.
So how could I homeschool them?
I'm a full-time parent.
How could I? I'm a working parent.
How can I homeschool my kids?
You know, will they be socialized?
Will they be weirdos?
All those different lies that you tell yourself of why you can't homeschool.
She walks through every single one of those.
And there's not even a religious aspect.
So if you're curious about homeschooling, you think you have to be religious, you don't.
So read Wild and Free.
It's excellent.
Yeah, and I think people are also realizing that homeschooling arose as a reaction to the craziness that's out there.
And then once you see it, it's like, I can't turn my children over to these people.
I have a duty not to turn my children over to these people.
So then what do I have to do?
I'll do it because I've seen these public schools.
They're nightmares.
They're crazy.
And unfortunately, You know, a lot of the private schools are even the schools that say they are religious.
And I think there's some good ones that there's some people that are trying, but they're not quite, they haven't quite, you know, gotten under their feet yet.
But with classic education, with great books, Christian schools, There are some other options that are out there, but I don't know if I can trust it yet.
Carrie Killman also has a really great homeschool book, and I would be remiss if I didn't mention that because we used to do a podcast together, and I think her book is excellent.
Tanya just wrote it cover to cover, and she's like, I think I can do this.
Ooh, I'll have to read that.
What's her name?
Carrie Killman.
Okay, I'm going to have to get that one.
I'll get you a copy of it.
But the one thing that...
You know, that I did want to say to people is like, and I know, you know, if you're like, as we're getting to the end of this podcast, it's like, you know, having kids gives you something to hope for, right?
This is It's amazing.
Every single minute I spend with my kids, even when they're acting up, even when the baby is like 4am and he's jet-lagged and he's up screaming, it's like I would take this over not having kids any day of the week because when you hold them in your arms and they calm down and whatever it was that scared them and to that person,
your daddy or your mommy And when you see how much love they have for you and how much they depend on you, it just activates everything within your biology, the deep programming that's in there, the spirituality that you have.
It activates so many things that you didn't quite understand about how the world worked and about how society worked.
That when you have kids, you're like, oh, now I get it.
Yep, that makes sense now.
And it's amazing.
And I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.
You know, people say like, hey, you know, you've had this career, you've like done stuff, you know, stuff I never thought I, you know, would be able to accomplish, but I couldn't care less.
Like, I don't think about that stuff on a regular basis.
I think about my kids.
And I think this is clearly, clearly the thing that I'm most proud about in my life.
I love that.
And it's just how I feel about it.
I didn't know I would feel that.
I thought that having kids would be cool.
Yeah, having kids would be cool.
My son is my best friend.
And especially because he is an exact copy of me.
So when we play together and we have little jokes and stuff, we're into the same thing.
So we have the same type of psychology.
And the baby...
Not quite old enough to have a personality yet, so we'll see.
But we can just joke around without even talking.
Because he's just me.
He's a little reflection of me.
But he's still him.
He's him in his own ways, too.
And so watching him grow and have his You know, and I see, you know, I see a lot of Tanya in him as well, too.
So it's like, it's the reflection and you hope it's the best parts of both and not the worst parts of either because, you know, you don't want that.
But it's like, man, I just want to spend the rest of my life making sure this guy is set up for success because they say, look, and talking about parenting and, you know, we started talking about Sex and the City, which is like anti-family.
It's just anti-family.
Like, I'm just going to say it.
That's what it is.
Yeah.
You can try to prepare the path for the child, or you can prepare the child for the path.
And that's kind of where I'm at, right?
We're Polish, right?
Life is hard.
Life is not easy.
Life is not a bed of roses.
I think that, you know, maybe this could be one of the things that's driving Zoomer anxiety.
I don't know.
But it's like the world is not a safe place.
The world is not a place where you can just walk around and it's like la la la la la.
And especially lately because we live in such a crazy era where like laws are, you know, in some cases like not being followed at all or in other cases like, you know, don't Let that mask slip down below your nose between bites.
One of the two extremes.
You get thrown off.
So it's like you have anarchism and tyranny at the same time because society is going through a period of destabilization.
And I understand why people will say, how do I bring kids into a situation like that?
I say, no, you have to.
You have to.
Because we are the only people that can do this, that can pass on and say, look, don't be like them.
Also, this is really morbid to say, but I mean, the left is aborting all their babies.
So we have the babies.
They're killing all of theirs.
We can raise the next conservative Christian generation to save this country.
I mean, that is sort of the overall plan, right?
The overall plan is raise children, raise them to be traditional.
I've even said, I don't necessarily care what my son's politics are.
I care about what his values are, if that makes sense.
He's like, oh, I don't like this candidate.
I like that.
Fine, whatever.
But I'm going to raise you in a traditional way, and I'm going to try to pass on these values.
And when we pray every night, and I've already taught him.
He's three years old.
We pray in Latin.
It's like, and I know in the back of my head that there are people in our family who have been praying this way for over a thousand years.
And you are a link in this beautiful, amazing chain of human history that's been going on.
And you can either accept that or you can go be a special snowflake and la la la, float around.
But here's the problem, Alex.
What happens to snowflakes?
They melt.
Every single one of them melts.
I think the moral of the story is you got to reject sex in the city-ism, you got to reject girl boss-ism, and you've got to embrace traditionalism.
I mean, it's as simple as that.
And like, that doesn't mean, you know, we used to be, and I have to give her credit for saying this, Libby Emmons, who's the editor of Postmillennial, she said it used to be in this country that we...
We had the same goal, but we had differences on how to get there.
But we don't have the same goal anymore.
We have different goals now.
And one side is trying to stay in that traditional path and have that traditional goal, and the other side has a completely separate goal that they are driving towards.
And that's the difference.
And that's what's going on.
I hope you guys like that podcast.
This has been the Anti-Sex in the City podcast with Jack and Alex.
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This is pretty wild.
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Sure.
So, at RealAlexClark on Instagram.
And if you have young women in your life, really, my daily show Poplitics on Instagram is probably for more young girls.
Tanya loves Poplitics.
Yeah, it's silly.
It's fun.
It's entertainment news.
But if you want my more serious side, which is what- Wait, wait, wait, wait.
You got to say the line about Pop-a-Tex.
Oh, it's pop culture without the propaganda every single day.
But if you liked the more serious side of Alex that you heard on this podcast, then you can experience that on my weekly podcast called The Spillover on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
Please subscribe and leave five-star reviews.
It's going to be incredible conversations like what you heard with Jack and I today, really, with just people from all kinds of walks of life that have experienced jaw-dropping stories.
I love Spillover.
I have yet to miss a single episode of Spillover.
Yeah, serial killer survivors, investigative journalists that have tackled crazy things.
I mean, just really interesting stuff.
And an episode that says, yes, demons are real.
Yes.
Because they are.
Because they are.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, this has been, I guess, the Jack and Alex podcast for, you know, for a time here on Human Events Daily.
Hope you liked it.
Of course, leave us our five-star review.
And remember, my homework to all of you is to share this out with at least one of your normie friends.
This is not such a political episode.
You know, it's more of a relationship.
Just tell them it's an episode about Sex and the City.
And slip it in there.
So that's my homework to all of you.
Again, of course, leave us your five-star review.
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