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Nov. 6, 2025 - Project Camelot
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DONNA MCGRATH: HEALING METHODS
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Okay, hi everyone.
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here today.
So hopefully everything is working and we are live and I do see we're live.
So welcome Donna.
Donna McGrath is, I consider her a friend as well as a wonderful healing practitioner and she has written several books actually.
I think we had the book cover on the screen earlier, one of them.
And I've done other interviews with her in the past.
And so welcome Donna and let's sort of launch into this today.
Why don't you give yourself a good introduction and then we'll proceed.
All righty, thank you so much, Carrie.
I really thank you for having me on the show and I want to thank all the previous clients and listeners that I've worked with from your show.
They've been wonderful over the years.
My name is Donna McGrath.
I always start out with that.
And I worked at DNIH in 1982 and I'm a molecular biologist and a medical technologist.
I found or our group found a cure for sickle cell anemia which was later on sent to the FDA and it was squashed.
So later on though we went to the White House with Ronald Reagan and we were in a lot of the API UPI networks and our work was touted as the first time that molecular biology came to the bedside.
So it was really exciting at the time and everything.
So I went on to work for a lot of the big pharma companies selling really highly technical instrumentation and I sold flow cytometers and fast protein liquid chromatography systems to a lot of the big hospitals in New York, New Jersey and Long Island.
So fast forward to 1994, I was doing very well in my career and everything and then I had some sudden deaths of some family members that really took me by surprise.
And my five-year-old nephew was tragically killed in a car accident and that was horrible.
And later on, about six months later, my aunt was brutally murdered and someone broke into her house and it was terrible.
So, in order for me to handle the grief, I basically turned inward to meditation.
And within a short period of time, I'd say six months later, I was reading the Celestine Prophecy by James Redfield.
And a beam of light came down into my house and it filled the whole house.
And I heard the voice of God, I think.
And the voice said, You thought you knew so much, molecular biology, biochemistry, immunology, toxicology, and all these different ologies.
And all you know would fit on one grain of sand on this beach.
I believe that the voice was speaking not only to me, but to all of the professionals and the doctors and the lawyers and everyone here on the planet who think, you know, using their left brain that they think they know so much.
And really what we all know, it's just a little speck of sand on a beach.
So there's a huge amount of knowledge to be learned.
After that experience, I went out of my body and there was a beam of light and I looked into the beam of light, which was a tunnel going out to space.
And I decided, or I people asked me if I was afraid, but I actually intended to, I was very curious and I intended to see what was up there.
So I saw the tunnel and I made the intention and as soon as I did, I was out of my body.
I quickly went away from the planet and through the magnetic grid of the planet and then was meshing with all types of higher consciousness like Mozart, Beethoven, Einstein, Tesla.
And there was a huge exchange and download of information from each of those entities.
I continued on the journey and I'm trying to make this fast because, you know, but anyway, I continued on the journey.
I went through what I would say was a wormhole and it was like the Starship Enterprise.
I went through it.
I saw billions of stars.
It was actually the most beautiful thing that I've ever seen.
And when I got to the other side of the tunnel there, I was at the Andromeda Galaxy and the light was to my right.
And the light said, now I will show you everything from alpha to omega from beginning to end.
So I was shown scenes from the beginning of the creation of the planet till the end of time, downloaded with the history of the planet, as well as I asked, the light asked if I had any other questions.
And I asked that I wanted to know the cure for all diseases.
So anyway, fast forward, I was downloaded with that and I came back.
Afterwards, I was enlightened at that moment right before I went through the tunnel because I know that both sides of my brain were balanced and they sort of went inward and then I went outward.
After that, I studied about 15 different modalities, healing modalities.
I'm a Reiki master, I'm a master hypnotherapist, a master NLP, a master IET.
I studied IET, NLP, SRT, all these various different healing modalities and emotional techniques.
And so I combined them at one point.
I worked in a health food store for 15 years after my light experience.
And then at one point, the light told me to turn, to take all of my healing modalities and put them into one.
So I'm actually getting ready to launch my emotional healing course called Healing Your Feelings Change Your Life, an emotional transformation system for healing the self and also interpersonal communications.
So that's going to be coming out later on this fall.
But right now, I'm really happy that I finally got my book finished and I got it out into the world here.
I've been writing it for 20 years and it's basically a documentation of the journey that I had from corporate mentality.
It's called From Corporate Mentality to Spiritual Reality, a True Out of Body Journey to Enlightenment.
So this book takes the reader from my times working in the corporate world and then how I was stressed out and everything, the deaths of my family members.
And also my book, this book contains, it starts out with my best friend's near-death experience, actually, which started me on my individual journey.
So my best friend in the corporate world had a tremendous out-of-body experience, near-death experience one night.
So my book starts out with me saying, Sharon, you look like the walking dead.
You should go to the doctor.
And then she went to the doctor.
She was driving there, had a near-death, and then she came back.
And the next week, she told me all about it, and I was flabbergasted.
So, you know, in the book, there's her near-death experience, somebody else's.
There's many poetries.
There's many teaching lessons from her near-death experience and from my cousin's near-death experience later on in the book.
And then at the end of the book, the book takes you on the journey that I just explained to the light.
So it's supposed to take the person from corporate mentality to spiritual reality.
The next book explains the next book in the series after this.
This is book one, but the next book is all about the after effects of the light experience.
And then the next book after that is case histories of different miracle healings that have happened, you know, in the course of the last 20 years or so.
So there we go.
Okay, that sounds really great and fascinating.
So is it available as a paperback and Kindle or only or what?
Only if you right now go to my website and order it.
So I have it on my website and here's a copy of it.
So it's actually in physical.
So it's not on Amazon.
It's not up on Amazon.
It probably will be on Amazon within two or three weeks.
Okay.
We're still working that out.
But right now you can get signed copies, signed hard copies if you go on my website and fill out the blank and then we will send you the book.
Okay, what is your website?
The website is HTTP.
You have to put the HTTP part on it.com.
Okay.
I'm just going to put this in the chat.
Hopefully it's going to be correct.
And then I'm going to click on it and see if it works.
Yeah, hopefully it does.
I checked it earlier today, but you have to put the HTTP in it.
Okay, I did that.
It looks like it's coming up, but it's going slow.
So I don't know if that's my computer or what's happening.
I will talk to my webmaster about that.
Yeah, it's still loading.
I'm not sure where the issue is.
It's not, maybe it will come up in a few minutes.
It's yeah, it's not, I don't know, it doesn't want to load, but it's there's a kink.
I called him this morning and I was trying to get him to make sure that it worked for the show, but it'll be working tomorrow.
He's going to work on it.
No worries.
I'm sure it will.
We've got the link anyway.
So whenever, whenever it works, and maybe for other people, it's loading.
You are watching live and you want to put something in the chat and let us know when if the link works for you, that would be good.
So anyway, okay.
So at this point, now you've got this list of things you sent me.
And I think we'd probably go along with your agenda here.
So what is the next topic that you would like to touch on?
I would just like to kind of go over the procedure of what I do whenever I have a customer intake.
Okay.
So, you know, after your previous shows, I had 1,200 people that called me the next day, and it was really great.
It was great.
Amazing.
It was a little overwhelming.
So I had to figure out a system on how to handle people.
And what I found out was a lot of people called and they said, oh, you know, I have long COVID or whatever.
I'm taking ivermectin and I'm taking this.
And your audience is fairly well versed in taking supplementation.
So, you know, it seemed like they were taking the right things, but they weren't getting the results.
So I developed, I'm very good at muscle kinesiology.
So I developed a system where I scan psychically for viruses, bacteria, yeast, fungal, parasitic, and then the function of their immune system.
And when I do that, I always find the answer.
It's sort of like they have a high bacterial infection and they didn't even know about it.
Many people are walking around with low-grade bacterial and viral infections, and they don't, you know, they don't even realize it.
And they might be taking ivermectin and they don't even have parasites.
So it's a very, it's a very good scanning system.
So when I take a person in, I scan for viral bacteria, yeast, fungal, and parasitic, and mold as well.
And then the function of their immune system.
Most people that call me that are sick and that are walking around, there's an analytical test in the laboratory that shows that a functioning immune system is like 2,000.
And most people that call me, their immune system is like 100 or 200.
So what I do is I recommend different, I basically channel the remedies that they need.
So I might say, okay, you have a 70% viral.
You need L-lysine.
If you have a bacterial, you're nano-silver, or I also have a quantum colloidal silver that's very good.
But colloidal silver in general kills about 360 different types of pathogens.
So I recommend that everybody kind of keeps that in their medicine chest.
For yeast infections, there's something called a grapefruit seed extract that's very good.
And then for fungal, I recommend Oregomax or an oregano supplement.
And then for the parasitic, I recommend usually Benbendazole and ivermectin together.
Okay, and then to boost the immune system, I recommend a Transfer Factor Plus, which I also have that link I could give you, Carrie, later on.
I'll give you the link for that.
And the transfer factor boosts your immune system about 437%.
So basically, if you take that along with some zinc and maybe noni juice or something like that, your immune system will go up rather rapidly.
Well, I won't say rather rapidly.
It depends upon how sick you are.
If you're in a really chronic state, it's going to take a while, maybe a month or so to boost up your immune system.
But we have to get rid of that background static of the viral and the bacterial.
It's like static on your, you know, your old TV screen.
You've got to get rid of that.
And once you get rid of that, then boosting the immune system is rather easy.
Now, this is only, in order for real healing to happen, it has to happen on the physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual.
So, again, these are all physical substances, and people get really frustrated.
You know, they say, I'm taking this and that, and everything.
And even though I give them a pointed, targeted program, that alone is really not going to handle specific issues.
They may have pain, they may have growths or tumors or whatever.
And so, in the second session, after the person kind of gets on board with the right supplements, then I go into doing a healing session where I try to target the emotional problem.
So, we set the intention of the session to heal, let's just say, asthma.
This is just an example.
And I am very, I have really good guides.
And basically, I'll set the intention and then say, Okay, what happened at the age of 16 or something like that?
And the person will say, Oh my God, it was the first time I had an asthma attack, and it would be good.
And so, then they describe their problem or their situation.
And what I'm looking for and I'm listening for are the emotions behind it.
Like, were you afraid?
Were you terrorized?
Were you fearful?
Were you angry?
Did you feel abandoned and rejected?
So, what was your problem?
And so, I sort of lock in on that, and then I overlay you with pulling up the specific energies for your problem.
And I overlay and channel for about, say, three minutes.
And then we go on to the next one: what happened at the age of 29 or something like that.
So, as we unpeel these different layers, the problem could very easily, if we just hit the nail on the head, the problem could go away in one session.
It's really amazing.
And I've seen many miracles where that happens.
But, but then there's other people that have a more chronic condition, and you know, we need like three, four, about three.
I can handle most stuff in about three or four sessions and pull people.
I'm very good at bridging and pulling them from a disease state to a healthy state and revive their energy and get them to a point where they're feeling much better.
So, that's what I do.
Okay.
Now, I put, you gave me a list, and I think you're just reciting a lot of that list.
And so, I put that in there for people in the comments.
So, if they want to see that.
Also, if you hold on one second, I'll put this chart of the body.
Would that be appropriate for you for me to put that on there right now?
Yeah, that would be great.
Okay, so hold on one second.
So, hopefully, you can see that.
Okay.
So, further than doing the emotional healing, if a person has a specific problem, say in their heart, in their lungs, in their digestive system, you see this map.
This map, this is from a book called New, what is it?
A new box flower maps by Dietmar Kramer.
It's from Germany.
And what I found is basically this is a map of the different emotions and where they're held in the body.
So, if you have a stomach problem, for instance, right there in the middle of the little middle one is number 24.
So I send the person the map and they say, okay, my problem is in 24 and it's in 16 or whatever.
When I go through, I overlay you with the specific energies that are going to heal you for that specific problem.
So it's something that's very unique to my work and it's very effective.
Also, if you have, let's say you have a mole on your face or you, you know, I have a map, I have maps of the entire body, the legs, the toes, the feet, the hands, the face, the head, you know, so for head injuries and neck injuries and things like that.
So this works for everything.
And so basically what you do is you take the flower essence.
I recommend that you take internally as well as you can put it on topically externally.
If you do both, you're hitting the problem from both ends and you resolve that issue that originally started it and the problem also goes away very quickly.
So if you have a pain in a certain place and if I link together, I'm very good at linking the different numbers together and I know all the all the numbers on this map and everything.
So, you know, if you have a shoulder pain, if you have breast cancer, for instance, if you look at this map, number 15 is the common cause for breast cancer.
I don't know if you see down here where there's a 15.
This area is Holly for anger.
And it's usually anger towards men.
And it's usually caused, you know, when women, they have a lot of anger towards maybe if their spouse or their boyfriend cheated on them or something like that.
Or if they're angry at their father, or they're angry at somebody that abused them, etc.
The right-sided breast cancer is most likely healed by the floweressence holly, which is in that area of number 15.
On the other side, on this side of the map, we have the heart, which is right here, which is interesting.
That's the flow essence heather.
And then also right-sided, left-sided breast cancer is mostly mostly caused by number 31, which is vervain.
Vervain is about being too passionate, being over the top, crazy, working too hard, pushing and pushing and pushing it, and just being over the top for a long period of time, chaotic, working too much, etc. or taking care of many kids and things like that.
And so the floweressence Vervain, it often is the floweressence to heal left-sided breast cancer.
We have the flow essence Heather, which is number 14 for the heart.
And so Heather is about frustration and trying to get your point across to somebody that's not listening.
Okay.
So Heather is a flower essence for the heart, and it's usually helpful for congestive heart failure.
And that combined with number 31, Vervain is good.
Honeysuckle is also reveries of the past.
So if somebody has a broken heart and they have heart problems, it's usually due to thinking of some kind of heartbreak from the past.
So we combine all three of those together and heart problems as well as maybe left-sided breast cancer could be held.
I can go on and on, but this is basically the basis of my masterclass.
Okay, no, very good.
Now, I think that people will find that fascinating.
I know I do.
And so what happens is what I'm, I'm curious where this came from.
So is this from Britain or is this Chinese medicine?
Where was the map created?
It's a map created from Germany from clairvoyance in Germany.
And this, this fellow, this man named Dietmar Kramer, all of these maps, this book is like a whole series of maps.
Okay, it doesn't have very many words on it.
And it's really funny because after my light experience, I think I told you in previous sessions here that I read 4,000 books.
So when I got to this one, I was kind of confused because it doesn't really have any words on it.
It just has a whole bunch of maps with numbers on them.
So the thing of it is, you have to learn the 38 Bach flower essences, which I teach in that Healing Your Feelings Change Your Life class is coming up.
So you have to memorize the flower essences, the 38 of them, and then these numbers correspond to the flower essences.
So these are the emotions that are behind things.
It's not Chinese medicine.
It's not acupuncture.
It's not acupuncture points or anything.
It's the emotion.
So if somebody tells me they have a sore shoulder or, you know, a problem with their right arm, I could say, okay, that's, do you have any guilt?
Because I know that guilt is held in the right arm.
And they'll say, yeah, as a matter of fact, I do.
And then so I give them the flower essence pine and also pine to put on that shoulder topically.
And sometimes the pain just goes right away.
So it's really interesting.
I use this all the time, especially in cases of tumors or pain.
Now, I don't know, I can't remember your list completely, but and this might be on your list or not, but I think it's interesting to look into past lives and the link up with health and areas, problematic areas of the body and so on.
So do you have anything like that that you teach?
No, what I do is I springboard off of this lifetime.
So for instance, if a person has like a problem with the middle of their, they're right there in the middle of their gut, okay, that's that's guilt.
But they might have been stabbed right there, you know, in a past life, right?
Or they might, right?
So I clear it in this lifetime.
So when I do the clearing, I clear it in this lifetime, past lifetimes, parallel dimensions, and then future realities.
So I clear it all, you know, around all time, all time.
So I clear some, I clear it in this lifetime, this lifetime, past lifetimes, parallel dimensions, like the same thing might be happening to you in other dimensions parallel, and then future realities.
So for instance, if you have a car accident and you have a, you know, back pain or something or a neck problem from a car accident, I clear that accident as well as maybe when you fell off a horse in another lifetime, in a past life, and then whenever you got exploded in a rocket ship in the future, you know, so, and then parallel dimensions anytime, you know.
So basically, that's why the healing is very effective.
Okay.
And as far as when you're taught, you know, just for people's benefit.
So do you do this over Skype?
I do.
I do.
No, I actually do it on just the telephone.
The reason why is because I'm sort of like Edgar Casey in that I go into a trance when I'm doing these with people.
And I also have, I should mention this, I also have the miracle of total body healing meditation, which I did down there in Orlando at the end of the show.
But I think you weren't there and you missed it at the end.
So I go from the top of the back of the head all the way down the spine, which is where a lot of traumas are held in your spine, and then all the way up the frontal line.
I take you to the light, hold you in the light, cleanse you in the light, let God do the work, and then bring you back down, put you back, and ground you into your body.
This meditation is called the Miracle of Total Body Healing Meditation.
And it really does, because it hits all of these points, because I know them and everything.
So in the back and the front of the body, I overlay you with flower essences that hit all the major points going down the spine and up the frontal line.
So it creates miracles.
For instance, down in Orlando, whenever we did the super soldier convention there, many people were healed and they just, you know, because I do take into consideration, you know, somebody might say they had a stroke.
Somebody might say they have asthma.
As a matter of fact, a girl said she had asthma.
And in the middle of the meditation, she really started coughing and joking.
And I had to clear her kind of specifically and everything.
And then I took everybody to the light and then back down.
So the miracle of total body healing meditation is a good meditation to have in your toolbox.
And I will be having that on my site as well to listen to in between sessions.
Okay.
And you could make, and as long as you can put any intention in the beginning of the meditation, and it seems like miracles just happen.
It's very strange, but someone won the lottery when they put the intention of clearing their body so that they could win the lottery and they won the lottery.
Somebody got rid of 35 years of asthma or I'm sorry, anxiety in one hour of listening to this.
Somebody else got rid of food poisoning within two hours of listening to it.
So it's a really cool meditation.
And that's $33.
And that's going to be on my website really soon, too.
Okay, when you say that's going to be on your website, this is not a book.
Oh.
No, that's a meditation that I do, a verbal recording of the meditation.
Yeah, and it takes 45 minutes.
It's very powerful.
It knocked you out.
It's very, very peaceful, very, very peaceful.
And usually when people listen to it, they have a really good night's sleep at the very least.
Okay.
So in terms of people that, you know, just to bring this around, that Sean David Morton, we did several shows on him and you were working to heal him.
There's actually three of us that worked together also in that way.
One was Melissa, his wife, of course, and myself and you.
And I just wanted to bring that up because he's an interesting case.
You know, you did a lot of your things and you kind of helped him at certain junctures, but then there were decisions made that reversed, you know, and there could be, you know, also interference entities and so on and so forth.
Because Sean was very targeted.
So do you want to talk about, because I know, I think it was on your list anyway, attitudes towards healing and how that can interfere with certain things.
Right.
I think we're going to talk about the first thing I had on the list was talking about decisions.
And so it's very important to kind of project down the line whether what happens is whenever somebody is in a, let's say, emergency state, the only thing we have is really for if people are not medically trained, they freak out, of course, and then they go to the emergency room, right?
And they'll get whatever treatment that happens in the emergency room.
In the case of cancer, many times it's it's like if something is found, they put you on a very fast track and kind of impatiently force you down this track to do certain things, right?
Oh, we have to hurry up and get a biopsy, then we have to hurry up and do this, and then, oh, you need to get chemo and you need to do this.
And it, first of all, the person is usually fearful of they get frightened by the diagnosis and they panic and then they just kind of go along with the whatever the doctor recommends.
So, and they also listen to other people in their family, which may or may not be good because other people's opinions and other people's backgrounds and everything determine what's going to come out of their mouth whenever they are asked a question.
So, like in the one case with the IVIG therapy, I had somebody yesterday that just went through it.
And I think, you know, we had talked about it.
Sean did it.
I think we warned him that it wasn't a good idea.
And he went along with it.
And then he had one of the major setbacks after that.
Okay.
I had somebody yesterday that called and she said she did three sessions of the IVIG and it just didn't work and she was really sick and everything.
But the Transfer Factor Plus is just taking, even if you have to take 10 Transfer Factor Pluses a day, because I remember at that time, Sean's immune system was 29 out of 2,000.
It was very, very low.
And I'm like, you know, you got to boost your immune system up no matter what you do, whether they, you know, whether you do it by IVIG or whether you do it using supplementation.
But the immune system is vitally important.
I just need to pause you right there because you're saying IVIG, this is a therapy they offer in a hospital or what?
Yes.
This is a newer technology.
It's intravenous IVIG immunoglobulin, which is another name for antibodies.
So it's IV antibodies that they're giving you.
And they're trying to help you boost your immune system by giving you these antibodies.
Okay.
But, you know, I mean, it's a good, I'm a molecular biologist, it's a good idea.
I mean, theoretically, but I don't think it really works.
And it costs about $100,000.
And they do it over a six-month course.
So it's almost like they throw upon you that boosting your immune system is such a difficult thing to do and that you've got to go through this whole thing and take these things and stretch it out for six months and all kinds of stuff when you could take transfer factor, transfer factor for maybe two or three weeks and you would be feeling much better.
Okay.
Adenone and things like that.
What is transfer factor?
Okay.
Transfer factor is a molecule that I'm sure you've heard of colostrum, right?
Maybe colostrum.
No, I know nothing about things about this kind of thing.
All right.
Okay.
Colostrum is basically mother's milk.
It's The breast milk from the first 10 days of breast from the first 10 days of birth after the baby's born, the mother breastfeeds the baby.
And what comes out of the breast is called colostrum.
And it is responsible for transferring the immune system from the mother to the child.
It's the whole immune system.
Now, within this colostrum, many people take colostrum.
It's a supplement that you can take.
But colostrum and then transfer factor.
Transfer factor is the exact immune molecule within the within the colostrum that transfers the immune system.
It holds the whole thing.
It's the purified antibody or molecule that really transfers the immune system.
So what they do is they take colostrum and they purify out the transfer factor.
Okay, that's all.
And so transfer factor, when you take it, it's like reinstalling your immune system.
Okay, and do you recommend that?
Yes, I've been a distributor for Transfer Factor for 25 years.
And, you know, I met the scientist that purified it originally and everything.
It's a multi-level marketing company, but very, very good, high-quality product, and it's really wonderful.
So that will boost your immune system.
And this whole thing about COVID and everything is all about your immune system, right?
Okay.
And you're suggesting, just offhand, are you saying for anyone who wants to take it, they should take it for a certain period of time?
And how much does it cost just for my audience?
Oh, the Transfer Factor Plus, which also has medicinal mushrooms in it, costs $82 a bottle.
They have Transfer Factor Classic that costs about $60 a bottle.
And that's a fairly decent price.
It's expensive because you have to purify out the immune molecule, the transfer factor.
Okay.
Now, I mean, I take it every day.
The distributors that have been selling Transfer Factor for 20 years never get sick because they take two or three of these a day just with a multiple and it protects their immune system and then it keeps you healthy all the time.
Rarely gets sick.
So maybe I should be, you know, offering that to my audience, or you can send me the link to the website where you might have it listed.
Yes, yes.
I have a website and everything for that, and I'll send you that.
And then if you want to sign up as a distributor, you can too.
Okay, so because I know people are going to be listening to this, and maybe they don't have a pen handy, but if I can put the link in the chat, that would help too.
So should they go to donnamcrath.com?
Is that what you're doing?
No, I know that.
I know.
I actually know it off the top of my head.
So it's www.forlife number four and then life.com forward slash 10859179.
okay I'll do it again.
I have to repeat what you gave me.
So forlife.com and then numbers 10859179.
Yes.
Okay.
So I'm putting that on my, and then they can click that link and in theory get to this product, right?
Or whatever.
The website.
Yeah, it has other products on there too.
It has something called Rio Vita, which has a transfer factor in it.
It's kind of like a juice for kids.
They also have two of those for children to boost their immune system with transfer factor in them.
They also have a gel like an aloe vera gel, which has transfer factor in it for skin problems.
So maybe I've got this wrong because it's not working.
So are you saying the number four or the word for?
The number four.
It's for and then life all together.
So I didn't yet get that.
So, all right, hold on, people.
I don't know if I can edit this or not.
Let me see.
So I put it in this chat.
Yeah, it looks like they don't let you solve.
I'll retype it.
Okay, so the number four, L I F E.
Yeah, the company is called For Life Research.
Okay.
And then the number, I guess it's disappeared.
Where is it?
I don't know.
Okay, can you give me those numbers again?
Okay.
1-0-8-5-9-1-7-9.
Okay.
I'm trying that now.
Okay, we'll see.
Still not right.
Okay, so what you could do is later and I'll, yeah, because I don't know why, you know, but I'm not great with numbers and all that.
So anyway, not sure why it's not working.
So, okay, so going forward from here, is there anything that you want to cover aside from that?
I'm going to look here to see what I wrote down for you, because I know there was a couple more points.
I wanted to, I was so frustrated.
Oh, the mind over diagnosis.
Yes, exactly.
Mind over diagnosis.
Yeah.
The mind is a very, very powerful thing, right?
So we create everything from our mind.
It's thought, words, and thoughts, words, and then deeds impelled by desire.
So what does that really mean?
The mind, the mind, the brain transmits 500,000 thoughts per day.
Okay.
So let's just pretend that the air around us is just the creative field, right?
And you have a gigantic Xerox machine on your left-hand side and a gigantic Xerox machine on your right.
So you're transmitting all these thoughts just like a cell tower all day long.
If you're worrying, okay, worrying is a meditation on a negative state.
Okay, so that's really an important.
That's the definition of worrying.
So if you're thinking, thinking, thinking, I'm not going to be able to pay the rent, I'm not going to be able to pay the rent, whatever.
All those thoughts go into the left-hand side into this big machine.
And then it throws zillions of copies out into the universe and you actually create what you're worried about.
And so this is very, very bad.
So I recommend that you monitor your own thoughts and realize I'm worrying about this too much.
I'm thinking about this too much.
And what is the opposite of that?
Okay, I'll be fine.
I'll be able to pay the rent somehow.
Somehow, something's going to come in and I'll be able to do that.
And you have to put out more positive thoughts so that you feed that positive machine and then you have a positive outcome in your life.
Okay, so that's the process of manifestation.
The definition of manifestation is bringing your thoughts or bringing something down from the mental down to the physical world.
Okay, so you think of something, you have an idea, you type your book, and then boom, finally, 20 years later, it comes into fruition.
Okay, I was so amazed whenever I got my book, and it came out exactly like I, because I designed the cover, and it came out exactly like I wanted to.
So, it was really, it was really cool.
It was the realization of that process.
So, okay, so people go to the doctor and they get some kind of diagnosis.
Oh my god, I have osteoporosis, I have osteoporosis, I have osteoporosis, whatever it is.
And then say they have it for a long time, or diabetes, for instance.
You're doing a great job, Carrie.
I was just adjusting something.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Anyway, they get a diagnosis and it's say they have diabetes.
They get, you know, they go to the doctor, they get the drugs, whatever, and they get indebted or really believing that diagnosis.
I have this, I have this, I am a diabetic, I am a diabetic.
And then they end up perpetuating that diagnosis.
And it's horrible.
And then they will bring the, they'll have a really hard time getting rid of the disease.
So what I recommend is that you use your mind over the diagnosis.
You can say, you know, I am in the process of getting over this diabetes.
Okay.
I am in the process of healing it.
I am in the process.
Okay.
And then you can even at the certain point to say, I used to have diabetes last year.
I don't have it anymore because I'm getting better and better every day.
And I know it sounds kind of, you know, very fairy a little bit, but you have to say that because you're in the process of putting more positive thoughts in the positive machine.
The other thing that people do, and I think I wrote it down, was they actually embody their diagnosis.
They'll say, my asthma or my whatever, my whatever.
And it's like they possess it or that it's theirs.
It's like their thing.
Oh, yeah, it's my asthma.
It's going to be here forever.
I've had it for 20 years, blah, blah, blah.
Okay.
Again, you have to take that word according to neuro-linguistic programming.
The words that come out of your mouth are actually a manifestation of what you're thinking.
So if you say, my asthma, my diabetes, my whatever, you're going to perpetuate that thing.
So you have to say the, at least detach yourself from saying that and just say the asthma.
And it's starting to add on to it the asthma that I used to have because I'm getting better and better all the time.
And I'm in the process of walking out of this thing.
Okay.
But it's just really important not to say my in front of any disease pattern.
I agree 100%.
Now, one thing I also notice is that people that have certain sicknesses tend to not only say that, but they also, I think they need to do some work in terms of how much they're willing to let go of whatever it is, the symptoms and the way people treat them because of the symptoms and how that enters their conversation, you know, all those different things.
So monitoring the way you sort of it emerges in your life through conversations with others and then how you treat it ongoing in that way, you know, because that's what I notice.
A lot of people that are unwell are very possessive of their sickness.
Yeah, their condition.
Yeah.
And I run into these people and, you know, they're little fragments of conversations.
A lot of times I don't even know the people, but I'm hearing, you know, I walk by them and there's also an attachment to their doctors, which is very insane in my view, but I understand that it happens because in part,
the COVID thing was all about that as well, was breaking that bond with someone who you trust with your life, so to speak, when in fact they may not actually be the right person to be putting your life in someone else's hands.
You've got to take control of that yourself.
So I think that's an important aspect is dependency kind of things that happen, right?
Right.
So that's one of the things we talk about.
Yeah, in my class, again, the fourth flower essence is down on the list is the flower essence Centauri.
And it's held right here in the middle of your chest.
Anyway, the point being that Centauri is about being a victim.
And that's what we're really talking about, being a victim, casting yourself into that role of a victim, and then saying you have a disease and then giving up your power to the doctor.
Okay.
Because a victim gives up their power.
Okay.
So it's about slowly walking out of that victimhood because people get to a point from their doctors.
It's thought of that there are certain diseases that only get worse, you know, like Parkinson's, like dementia, or your eyesight.
Okay.
Your eyesight only gets worse as you get older, right?
You can't have a baby after 30 years old because, or 40 years old because you're too old and your cells are bad or your eggs have gone bad because you're older.
All of this stuff is a whole psychology in the medical industrial complex that needs to be changed because it's really hopeless.
Sometimes I have clients that we're doing really well.
Like we're going, they've killed their bacteria, their yeast and everything.
They've got a zero on their parasites.
Their immune system is going up and they're just doing great.
And then all of a sudden they disappear.
And I'm like, what happened?
Well, I went to the doctor and he did a scan and it wasn't, the numbers weren't right and everything.
So I'm going to quit.
I will say that alternative medicine takes a longer time to heal you.
But on the other hand, you have to, you have to know, like I would not get a scan unless I already knew that it was going to be negative.
Okay.
So my thing is I take my clients through a process and then it's not that I'm a control maniac.
I just want to make sure that when you go for that scan, that it's going to be negative.
Okay.
All right.
When you say negative, you mean that they don't have the tumor or whatever it is.
Well, I would call that positive, but I understand that medical diets sit around, interestingly.
Yeah, yeah.
So, for instance, I worked on one guy at a show.
He came and he had prostate cancer, a little bit.
He had a recent diagnosis and they wanted to go in and do surgery and stuff like that.
So he came to my workshop and he came to my booth.
I worked on him for 20 minutes.
We identified the problem that it was.
I cleared it energetically, and I heard sometimes I just hear the voice, and the voice says, You're done, it's healed.
So, the voice came and said, Okay, he is cleared of prostate cancer.
So, I told him, I said, Okay, well, we got to the issue, and so you're cleared of prostate cancer.
And he said, Oh, good.
He said, I'm going to go to my doctor this week.
I have an appointment this week.
And they came down.
My guides came down and said, No, he needs three weeks.
It needs three weeks to process the session that we just did.
And he has to take some supplements and everything.
And in three weeks, he can go and do it.
So, I sometimes find I have to convince them to cancel their appointment or change their appointment, and they won't do that.
It's amazing.
I said, Look, there's going to be a girl at the front desk that's 19 years old that's going to is in charge of scheduling.
So, just call them, just call them and tell them you're going to be out of town for a couple of weeks, and you'll call them back and reschedule.
And he did, thank God he listened to me.
So, three weeks later, he went to and got a scan, and he got an I think it was an MRI or something.
I think it was an MRI.
So, he went, he got it, and then they pulled him aside and they said, We think we made a mistake, and so we're going to run you again.
And he's like, Okay, so he did it the second time, and you know, that you know, the outcome was great.
So, um, he was totally cleared of prostate cancer.
But it's just like, I'm not being controlling, and I'm not being like somebody's mother, but but just please listen to me because it's not listening to me, it's it's listening to the guidance that I that's coming through me, okay.
And if they say, Wait for three weeks, basically, what had to happen in that case with that guy was that the right technicians had to be there, the right doctor, the right date, the right time.
There are so many factors, you know, that the universe had to put everything into place for him to have that proper outcome.
Okay, but if he would have gone the next week, the doctor would have said, Oh, yeah, it's still here, blah, blah, blah.
Uh, we're gonna have to do surgery.
So, you see how that decision and the decision is and the timing and everything is crucial to what you're doing in your life.
There's also it's it's you know that it's a spiritual process as well.
Healing is a spiritual process, yeah, exactly.
Right, so yeah, there are many aspects of healing that don't have to do with you know, medicine, advice, so and so.
In other words, what we're talking about are unseen entities, uh, positive entities, beings that can help, um, and they're part of the process.
And then you, as a soul, have to, you know, let them in, okay, because you can also reject them.
And that's that there's a syndrome there.
So, just saying that you have to be honest, brutally honest with yourself.
You know, if you're getting something out of this so-called sickness or imbalance in your system, be it because a lot of times people are, they don't realize it, but they're doing it to reach out for, you know, maybe they don't have enough love in their life,
they don't have, you know, friends or social life or whatever it is they want that they don't have, but they are reaching out in a negative way to get that fulfilled.
And so that's not going to heal you.
So I'm just, I noticed in some of the healing I've done on myself that I had to be really positive that there wasn't some underlying thing that I was holding on to that related to that particular, you know.
Right, right.
So I think underlying issues can be psychological.
They can be holdovers from, you know, childhood, as you, you know, kind of indicated earlier, right?
So there are things that, again, if you're not super honest with yourself, they can stand in the way.
Because, you know, one of the things interesting about healing is that the person has to be the vessel through which the healing comes.
And as you indicated, it's coming through you to them.
What is really coming through, I think, from the healer is more of a triggering.
It's like a catalyst.
And then they either accept it and they let the catalyst trigger, you know, kind of like goes down a bunch of stairs, right?
Through to the cause, or they're not, or they block it.
And I think people more often than not, a lot of times block the very healing that they could get, regardless of where it comes from, whether it's a healer or, you know, a doctor or wherever kind of thing.
So I think that's really important.
That's very true.
They block it.
They block it.
No, because it's a tragedy, you know, really, when you know someone that has something going on, but they don't, they're sort of their worst enemy, if you want to call it that.
Yes, in reference to the person we were talking about before, sometimes the person doesn't want to actually do the work either.
They don't want to, they just want me to do Abracadabra and they want it to go away.
Okay.
And they don't either want to take the supplements, which are not 100% necessary because actually healing can happen without the supplements, but they're not willing to put in any effort to help themselves.
You know, they're like, oh, I can just go to the doctor and he can give me, you know, whatever and I can take that and then it's taken care of.
But it's not.
It's just perpetuated.
You know, what we're looking at here is trying to get to the core of the disease process.
And it's usually jumbled up in a bunch of emotions and traumas from the childhood, like you said.
And I find it very interesting to identify the core issues.
And when I get it, whenever they say something, I just know and it's just like bingo, that's it, you know.
And then when I have an energy that kind of reverses things.
And if I do mystery of reversal and it just goes away right away, I'm trying to think of something that was something like that.
Or that one girl I think I talked about before that had the lung disease when she was 20.
And it all stemmed from at age eight when her uncle had the car accident and she went and she held her breath in here.
But when she heard of the tragic news that her uncle just died, she went like that.
And she had that block there for from when she was eight until 20.
And once that was removed, her lung tube was taken off the lung transplant list.
Her lungs were totally fine.
They took her off of everything and said, you're totally clear of all pulmonary disease, which was really cool.
It's very cool for me to watch something like that happen.
I had a lady with a knee problem a couple months ago, I guess.
She was in a car.
She had been in a car accident and she really messed up her knee and tremendous pain in her knee.
She went to physical therapy.
She went to all this stuff for like three or four years.
And when she called me, she was in tremendous pain and it was limiting her whole life and her ability to get a job and to walk and everything.
And we cleared that up in two weeks.
And I'll tell you, I have the best testimonial from her.
She's like, oh my God, I don't even think of the knee problem anymore.
Like it doesn't bother me at all.
And I can walk and I can do things and everything.
It was just really great.
Yeah, that's incredible and very wonderful.
Very fulfilling.
It's very fulfilling.
But people have to have a belief system that things can be healed.
And again, diseases form from the outside in.
So it's a mental process and then it comes down to an emotional and then it hits the physical.
So we have to unwind this whole thing and then just send it back to before it was ever created.
And then everything will be good.
You know?
Yes.
And I also think that there are things that have to do with, I'm not sure what the right wording would be, but sort of vengeance towards God or towards someone in their midst that they take on certain imbalances or illnesses that manifest and they keep them happening because of these hidden sort of ideas of like
getting back to the universe kind of thing, right?
Whether it be a person or God who wasn't supposed to give them whatever that was, right?
How would they look at it?
In other words, getting back.
So it's anger is the basis, of course.
And, you know, there'll be a lot of sadness and all the different things that go along with that.
But I think that that's also a big aggravating factor in any illness, but especially certain long-term ones.
Because when we were dealing with Sean, that's one thing that did come up was his attitude towards certain people in his past and how that had impacted his life and anger for that.
Not to mention anger at the prison guards and this and that and the other, right?
Right, right.
So just saying that he wasn't willing to go into that.
And I tried real hard to address issues with the mother, you know, against the mother and things like that.
And every time he blocked me, he blocked me from talking about it.
So he would just say, just do the energy work on me.
So, I mean, I did the energy work on.
And again, you can get a good response with just the energy work.
But see, that brings up a good point.
I do sessions one of two ways, two different ways.
One is just something in that case, like with him, I would just do the energy work and the miracle of total body healing meditation on him, which I did.
Okay.
But I had a client today that it's better to bring the issue up in their conscious mind.
So when I say, when I do what happened to the age of two or what happened at the age of 16, the person, first of all, in the first session, always says, I don't remember, because they don't want to even take the effort of trying to think back to that time.
And I say, come on, let's think.
Now, you were a sophomore in high school.
Were you victimized?
Were, you know, did you have your first girlfriend that dumped you or something?
You know, whatever happens, whatever comes up in your mind as the first thing is usually the issue.
Okay.
But some people, and when they do, and then I then overlay them and I say, well, how did that make you feel?
Well, I felt rejected when she broke up with me.
Okay.
Well, then I overlay with the thing with the energy, which is water violet, to clear abandonment and rejection.
And then the issue just goes away.
And then we go on to the next one.
He wouldn't let me clear his anger issues towards his mother.
He just would not let that go.
Right.
Okay.
And anger causes is one of the major flower essences that causes disease.
You know?
The two are interesting.
I'm sorry.
Just you said that sort of fast.
I just want somebody to get, you said one of the flower essences is for anger.
Which one is that?
That is the flower essence Holly.
And I can talk for a half an hour on Holly, but basically the flower essence Holly, if everybody understood that it's really not okay to hold anger in, and it's really not okay to express anger in a forceful way out into the universe.
If we had no need for the flower essence Holly and we had no anger in the world, everything would be fine because there wouldn't be any conflict.
So each of these flower essences has a positive and a negative pull, meaning the, you know, like the best outcome would be you are walking into the light of God.
So it's every positive, joyful, blissful experience that you could feel that of love.
And then as we move to the left, we have mild frustration, we have jealousy, we have competition, we have hatred, and then we go all the way to the other end and we have killing.
So we go from life to death in just that one flower essence, Holly.
So jealousy and anger and competition, wanting to be better than somebody else has something better than you.
And, you know, or some team is better than some other team, or where, you know, you get angry at somebody.
This is not good.
So again, right-sided breast cancer is usually caused and it's remedied by the flower essence holly because it's usually a woman that's mad at her husband or boyfriend that cheated on her.
And, you know, Holly, it's about possession and competition.
It's just like, you know, you own your husband or you own your boyfriend or whatever.
And then if he cheats on you, then somebody else has him or somebody else possesses him or somebody owns him.
And you really don't own anybody.
So you might as well not be jealous or angry.
You know what I mean?
Okay.
And now, in terms of where people get these kinds of flower essences, because they're not easy to find, I don't think.
Health food stores, maybe?
No, you actually, they're trying to, as you probably know or guess, try to get rid of homeopathic and flower essences.
Flower essences are categorized erroneously, actually, as homeopathic reagent of chemicals or tanksters or whatever.
So you can get it online at you can put Bach flower essences and then the specific one you want.
So you could put Bach flower essence holly and it will come up and you can get them all online.
They take a long time to come.
And I am looking for a vendor right now to, you know, to be able to deliver those flower essences faster to people.
Because a lot of people just need plain emotional healing.
There's ones for like Gentian is for depression.
The gentian and mustard are for depression.
If people would take that, they could easily get over depression just by taking flower essences rather than some really strong pharmaceutical drug.
And the other thing is, there is a product that I want to mention here that's good for everybody.
It's called L-theanine.
And L-theanine is really, it's an amino acid extracted from green tea, and it's really good to stop anxiety or anxiety and panic attacks.
Everybody needs to have that because there's so much fear in the world today that, you know, and they don't realize that they could just take maybe two or three of theanines and it would, if they can't catch their breath and they're panicking and everything, take a couple of theanines and you will find that you can get yourself out of a panic attack pretty easily.
Also, a lot of sleep problems are due to anxiety.
And so if you take a couple of theanines, they don't make you sleepy.
It does make you not fearful and relax enough so that you can sleep.
Okay, so when you said that, I thought you said box like B-O-X, but what you mean?
Oh, B-A-C-E.
It's Bach, like the musician, like B-A-C-H.
Okay, yeah.
So I think it's pronounced batch in England.
That's where they came from.
They came from the UK.
Okay.
All right.
So that's good.
I'll put the link in the chat if I can find it.
Anyway, so, all right.
Now, did we cover all the things you wanted to talk about?
I'm just looking at the time.
I think we've been going for quite a while.
I think we did.
Let me see if there's anything else.
Again, decisions are really important, getting over the actual classifying yourself as a victim of something.
And, you know, I have this and that is just really, really important.
It's also not, it's very important to know.
This is the last thing I want to talk about.
It's just, we talked about it before we touched on it.
It's about knowing who to listen to.
So, for instance, if you have a backache, okay, let's just say you have a back problem, okay?
You, Carrie, could go to the orthopedic surgeon and ask him what to do.
And he might say, Yeah, I could take care of that.
I'll just do surgery.
But then you could go to the chiropractor and he'll say, Oh, yeah, I could adjust that and everything else like that.
And you need 10 sessions and you'll be fine.
You could go to a massage therapist and ask the massage therapist what they would do.
And they say, Oh, well, we'll just, you know, you have some tight muscles and everything will work around that.
You can go to a dietitian and they'll tell you something else to do for that.
Okay.
What it means is to be cognizant of who you're talking to and who you're asking their opinion.
Because everyone is going to give their opinion to you from their own experience.
So the way energy works is really like the divine comes down through your head, filters through all of your experiences, all of your knowledge, all of your experiences, and then the answer comes out of your mouth.
So if somebody asked me something, I would say something.
You would give a different answer based on your experiences, etc.
So be cognizant, be aware of who you're asking and who you're telling, who you're telling your problem to.
Because if you're telling family members that are unconscious and you're asking, you know, they're going to tell you to go to the hospital or something.
When if you would have called somebody else that had more thoughts that were more, basically you're looking for only discuss the area that you're discussing with the people that are you already know are going to somehow have your belief systems lined up.
Your beliefs and value systems are the same.
Otherwise, you're going to be sitting there arguing with people and hitting your head against the wall, basically, because if they're unconscious and they know nothing about it, they're going to give you their version of the answer.
And then somebody else will give you.
So just ask the right person.
That's all.
Be cognizant of who you're asking and who you're talking to regarding your medical condition or anything, for instance.
Anything.
Right.
I mean, that's true in life in general as well.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because what humans do is they just, you know, they get the answers.
They, they, basically, what happens is if we're walking along, two people are walking along.
If people reference the past before they move to the future, this is really important.
They reference the past before they move forward.
So if we're walking along and I say, Carrie, let's go over to Happy Hour over there.
They have shrimp.
They have free shrimp cocktail for two hours.
You're going to think to yourself, well, do I like shrimp cocktail?
Or did the last time I had shrimp cocktail, did I have anaphylactic shock and almost die and choke to death?
So you're going to do that very, very quickly.
You're like a computer.
Your brain's going to go back.
But if you love the last time you had shrimp, it was great.
You love shrimp cocktail.
You're going to say, sure, I'm going to go over there.
That's fine.
But if not, your mind references the past and some trauma in the past, like if you had anaphylactic shock, is going to, you know, it's going to say, you're going to say, no, no, I can't go over there because, you know, I'm allergic to shrimp.
I can't do that.
So everyone references the past.
And if you're asking somebody something and they've had a trauma in that area, they're going to give you their answer based upon their bad experience.
Get it?
Absolutely.
Now I'm just typing this because some people just got mixed up about the word bach.
So anyway, I see it in the chat.
Yeah.
And so it's there now.
So people can get the right spelling of the name so they can do the search and get it right.
Well, I think that's wonderful.
I think, you know, you've covered a lot of ground here today in this interview, and I'm very happy with it.
So thank you, Donna.
And maybe, do you want to, do you hold up your book or do you have a picture?
Yeah.
So here's the copy of the book.
And if you, you know, you buy it on the website, I will send you by snail mail this.
And I'll send you a signed copy.
The other thing is I still am doing personal sessions.
So if anybody wants a personal session, they can email me at miraclesbydonna at gmail.com.
If you want to write that down, Carrie, that's important.
Miracles by Donna at Gmail.
Okay.
What would be helpful is that you send me any links that you want me to give out.
And under, I'll put them under the show in this certain place, not in the chat, because we've already put a lot of things in the chat, but sometimes the chat's not available after the show.
Depends, you know, Rumble does things various ways, so I'm not really up on that.
So that way I'll have it and I can just put it under this interview, and that will be the best way because we're doing this live on Rumble, and I can't do that right now.
So anyway, it's just the process.
Thank you, everyone, for watching, and take care and have a nice life and a nice day.
And you too.
Thank you.
Thank you.
You too.
Thank you, Carrie.
Thank you.
Okay.
All right.
Bye-bye.
Bye.
I'm going to run the credits so you can go ahead and disappear and we'll just do that right now because I have to do it as part of my show.
Thank you.
Okay.
I'm trying.
Okay.
Let me just.
You can just block your camera if nothing else works.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
I couldn't find my mouse.
Okay.
There we go.
All right.
So I'm going to text you all that stuff.
Okay, Carrie?
That'd be great.
Thank you.
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