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TIMEWAVE ZERO : PETER MOON, GREG HALLETT & MORE

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	If anything should happen to me, you must go to God.
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	Life has purpose.
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	Welcome to Strange Universe.
	This is our special mashup episode.
	This is Sean David Morton, the guy so nice they named him thrice.
	The man who, if you patted you on the back, you put it on your resume.
	So here we go.
	And what we're doing is with this, we have some fantastic guests.
	And just because we love the whole cross-pollination of everybody that's here at American Freedom Radio, we have the lovely, the goddess herself.
	We worship and smooch her feet while we rub her neck.
	Carrie Cassidy, the bright flame who draws all of these moths to the light that is her.
	With the Project Camelot gang here.
	And as I said, we're doing all of this together with some fantastic people that Carrie's put together with Strange Universe to do this as kind of a live stream that we're doing in coordination with Project Camelot and Carrie and then Strange Universe Radio.
	So hopefully we'll be able to do a lot more of these in the future.
	But what I'm going to do is I'm kind of going to back off as the ringmaster tonight and I'm going to hand it over to Carrie.
	And Carrie is going to introduce all of these fantastic, wonderful people we have on the show.
	Now, it might be a little bit confusing, kids, so just you got to have to bear with us.
	There's going to be some fantastic information that's going to be presented.
	These are some of the very some of the greatest people in their field, some of the best authors, some of the best minds that have to do with time travel, prophecy, metaphysics, UFOs, the extraterrestrial either threat and menace or blessing to come, depending on which side of that you come down on.
	But it's going to be a great open forum of this.
	Now, while this is going on with Carrie's live stream, the Strange Universe Radio is also going to be going on the commercial radio as well.
	So what you're going to be hearing is that when the commercials come in and some music and whatever else, there's going to be a bit of a clipped nature to it as we carry on this conversation.
	So what I'm going to do is I'm going to turn this over to Carrie.
	With those restrictions, because remember, on the live stream on the internet, we are, of course, uncensored and without commercials.
	However, we have a few constraints with paying the bills with American Freedom Radio.
	And of course, we all have to make sure that Papa Romero is happy with all of us.
	So let me turn this over to the founder of Project Camelot, the Lois Lane of the metaphysical world, the woman who deserved to be saved by Superman virtually every time she steps out the front door.
	A fantastic friend and a wonderful great light and a person that has broken more stories than, I don't know, Greek restaurants break plates.
	Lady Carrie Cassidy.
	Carrie, you there?
	Yes, Sean, I'm here.
	There you go.
	Thank you for the lovely introduction.
	I really appreciate it.
	You deserve it.
	Thank you.
	And thank you for sharing your radio show time with us.
	It's very exciting to be here and it's a lot of fun to do this.
	And I want to introduce everyone who's on the call with us here and explain just a few of the parameters for the listeners so that they understand on the live stream side why certain people are visible and others are not.
	Starting with Sean David Morton, who didn't technologically retarded, ladies and gentlemen.
	I am an utter moron when it comes to this.
	And I have a tower with a cinema monitor screen, and literally my cat ate my camera.
	So that's my excuse.
	I'm sorry.
	And I haven't covered my book up.
	However, I will switch it for my picture of Fabio, which is what I look like now.
	No, you're not going to switch it.
	Please leave the book up.
	I appreciate that, Sean.
	I just want to say that Sands of Time is Sean David Morton's new book, and I'm very, very impressed with it.
	And I was so impressed with it that I thought we needed to do a live stream right away because of the very interesting whistleblower information in that book, which purports to be fiction, but in fact, is likely fact.
	Well, it is novelized non-fiction.
	Let me be specific about that.
	It's novelized non-fiction.
	So that's a better way to put it because they are novelized from the diaries and reports that I got from the estate of the gentleman who this book is about, who died two years ago.
	Okay.
	And I'm going to give you plenty of time to explain to everyone, Sean, but before I do, I just want to go around the circle here.
	Greg Hallett, who everyone can see right now, who is all bundled up, is somewhere in northern Germany.
	And he joined us at the tail end of this organization of organizing this conference.
	I wanted him along anyway, but we got our wires crossed.
	So I'm very happy he was able to join us at the last minute.
	He is quite an interesting character, and I'm hoping that he can give you a background on him.
	But he's all bundled up because he's in northern Germany and he just got kicked out of New Zealand because he attempted to take down the government in some form or fashion, which he can elaborate on.
	And then now he's being tortured in a Soviet prison, as you can see by the stuff on it.
	I was the government and judiciary as heroin trafficking and laundering heroin money through the courts.
	And all of my evidence was suppressed.
	And I had four murder attempts in the last 12 months that I was there.
	So it was time to get out.
	And I had 12 government departments giving me $10,000 worth of fines a month, which was all manufactured.
	So I'm Alex.
	I'm Alex of New Zealand.
	Okay.
	And we're going to let you explain all of that as well.
	But let me introduce the rest of the guests.
	So we have Joseph Matheny, who is an artificial intelligence programmer and software engineer par excellence, as well as absolutely brilliant mind.
	He's written a time travel cult novel called Ong's Hat, which many people, at least the people listening in who are sort of aficionados of the whole time travel sector and have been for years will know about Ong's hat.
	Joseph Matheny is also, I like to say, an expert on the occult.
	And I can say that Peter Moon is as well.
	Peter Moon is also on the call.
	Peter Moon is another extremely impressive individual who has, who is the publisher of the Montauk books.
	And I've read, I think, almost a lot of his books, let's put it that way.
	And I'm very impressed with him.
	He knows Duncan Cameron and the Montauk situation inside out, backwards and forwards.
	And he is a superb individual to have on this call.
	It's actually something of a miracle to get both these guys in one place at one time.
	That's almost a time travel event in and of itself, I have to tell you.
	And then let's see.
	I guess that's it.
	We have Sean David Morton and myself, of course, Project Camelot.
	So at this moment, what I'd like to do is start off with Sean.
	Just go around, and since I've given you brief introductions, would you please go ahead and give a bit of your backgrounds so that the audience listening who may not know who everyone is and why you're on this, why you're included in this particular topic, if you could kind of sort of slant your resume that you give maybe five minutes covering your background so that people will know who you are.
	So let's start with Sean David Morton.
	Okay, well, my, let me see.
	I guess my contacts go back to when I was a kid because I grew up with astronauts.
	I grew up with my dad had a very famous nightclub called the International Turtle Club that he went and ran with Wally Shira.
	All of the astronauts were turtles.
	There was the whole thing about, are you a turtle?
	And you had to answer with a certain thing.
	Otherwise, you had to buy all the guys' drinks.
	My dad was vice president of customer communications at PR, really, at TRW.
	So I grew up with Gus Grissom, Gordon Cooper, Don Eisley, Alan Shepard, all the Mercury and Gemini astronauts when I was there.
	I met the Nazi scientists who were working on a lot of these programs and projects.
	And then I got involved in some very interesting things after going to, I spent some time in Nepal and actually in India at Darmsala studying with the Dalai Lama.
	And then I spent some time in Nepal and I was there for about a year.
	And I started messing around primarily because of my background in television and film.
	Back in 1989, I was part of the, I sort of became familiar with what was going on with Area 51.
	The astronauts used to talk about it, but they called it the Docktown Strip way back then.
	I did some of the first interviews with Gordon Cooper, where Gordon Cooper was talking about the extraterrestrials and the things that he saw while he was at places like Groom Lake or the Docktown Strip, as I called it back in the day.
	I was part of the ultrasound test that actually, part of the scientific team, that actually proved that there was an underground basin facility underneath the Dulce Archolar Mesa in northern New Mexico that we ran through 75 hours of crazy supercomputer time at the University of San Diego.
	It was at that time also that I was very good friends with Danny Castellero.
	And Danny Castellero was not only talking about Area 51, but Danny was then murdered because of what he knew about something called the Promise software.
	And he got involved in what was known as the Inslaw scandal at that time.
	And he went to Michigan where he was murdered in a motel room there.
	And, you know, when they claimed it was a suicide, even though he was choked with a rubber cord and slashed nine times and then beaten to death with a baseball bat.
	But it's then in 1990, I became part of a documentary crew called UFO Contactease, where we put together about 600 hours worth of interviews with abductees, contactees, scientists, researchers.
	Anybody had a dog barked at a UFO, we went out and talked to them.
	We traveled around actually with Wendell Stevens for a period of time, who arguably was one of the sort of the grandfather of the whole UFO investigation movement, I guess.
	But we went to Germany, we went to Switzerland and visited Billy Myers' farm.
	We went to France.
	We went to Canada, went to Spain, went to Italy, went all over the world at that time.
	We also interviewed Bob Lazar, and we were some of the first people to interview Bob in the early part of 1990, a year later, taking Bob Lazar's advice, saying, Well, you don't have to believe anything I say.
	Go out by this highway by 375 by this mailbox and this 18-mile marker, and you'll see UFOs go out on a Wednesday night, which is when they test.
	And I dragged a friend of mine who worked for the Los Angeles Times, Shannon Sands, out there with me.
	And myself and another friend of mine, actually, Shannon was in the car in front of us with the photographer from the LA Times, and I was with another friend of mine in the back car.
	And we literally almost got hit by a UFO.
	This thing literally came right down in the road right in front of us.
	And we jumped out of the car and chased after this thing and got our faces pretty well burned.
	But we managed to then, the next day, it actually appeared on the front page of the LA Times, which then started dragging Area 51 out of the shadows.
	About, I think it was May of that year in 91.
	I found a hilltop that actually looked down on the base.
	Some very weird things happened that particular day, including a massive sandstorm that was actually centered at Area 51 that blacked out most of the power in the state.
	A lot of very weird things happened.
	I went back a couple months later, actually, not even months later, about three weeks later, with a friend of mine.
	We hid out in these pile of rocks on the top of this on the top of this mountain and actually filmed Area 51 for the first time and then started going out there every couple of weeks or so.
	And in the process of that, started collecting, because I was one of the only people that had actually seen the base.
	Personally, it hadn't been there.
	But between myself and I think only John Lear, who had photographed it, you know, like 10 years earlier, I think.
	This was back when you could just walk over a low fence and sort of stand at a kind of a chain link.
	It's actually just a chain that was connected together with some posts before they extended their border, which was about 87 or so.
	But then got involved in a whole series of very peculiar things that had to do with Area 51, and including a guy who called himself Ghostwalker, who claimed to be an assassin, who actually had worked also as a guard at the base of the facility, who, you know, on the run stayed at my house for about a week or so.
	And this was when I was working with Geraldo Rivera.
	And he claimed that he had documents that he wanted to release, and he would release the documents to me.
	And we went to Vegas, and there was this whole brouhaha going on with Bob Keviat, who was the producer working for Geraldo at that time.
	And then later on, I then started working for I was a consultant on Unsolved Mysteries.
	I worked for hard copy as an independent freelance producer.
	And I was one of the creator founders of a program called Strange Universe, which was one of the first original shows on the United Paramount Network, UPN, back in late 95, 96.
	And I broke, in all of this stuff, I broke stories on.
	I think I did one of the first stories on Area 51.
	We broke stories on the Chupacabra.
	We broke stories on the first national at Hard Copy.
	We were the first national ones to do stories on the Phoenix lights.
	The conspiracy behind JFK Jr.'s death, Princess Diana, TWA Flight 800.
	So while I was working at Hard Copy and then later at, well, actually, Strange Universe was first and then hard copy, but because of my background in television and film and because of who my father was and because I was good friends with Walter Cronkite and a lot of these people on the inside, people for whatever reason have throughout the years protected me, contacted me, given me information from the inside.
	And one of those main people is the person who's in my book.
	Unfortunately, I can't use his name because he has living relatives.
	That was one of the contractual stipulations.
	But the character that the only thing that's fiction really is Ted Humphrey, who is the main character in the book, always told me that, look, if you really knew the real story, if the world knew the real story, it would blow their minds.
	And again, he was coming at this saying, look, we're really trying to help people.
	We're not trying to kill people.
	I understand it's all black projects and black ops, but at the same time, people just can't handle the truth.
	They can't handle the reality of what's really going on.
	And so, you know, for years he promised that, you know, when circumstances present themselves, I'll find a way to get you the whole story.
	And so to wrap it up, Sands of Time, which, as I said, is novelized nonfiction, is the story of Ted Humphrey, who started out at USC, went to Caltech, was then absorbed into the Montauk project in the early 60s, began to work out at Area 51 on the captured extraterrestrial craft.
	And really is the story of a man who then has a meteoric rise inside the secret government.
	See, this is the music coming in now.
	So you guys are going to get to talk right now when the news is coming in.
	This is Sean David Morton.
	We're on with some fantastic people here, and we're going to hear from them.
	And I'm going to shut up now.
	but it's a strange universe and we just work here and we'll be back in a few beats of your heart.
	Okay.
	We're not supposed to hear their commercials.
	I'm organizing it.
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	Okay.
	Thank you very much, AFR, for muting the commercials.
	So we should be all able to hear everything, even with the commercials, and we're broadcasting right through the commercial here.
	Sean, thank you for giving your background.
	Thanks for listening.
	No problem.
	And so why don't we go next to Joseph Matheny?
	Joe, could you give some of your background and basically pertaining to time travel, but anything else you want to say?
	It's fair game.
	Maybe about five minutes or so on yourself.
	Okay.
	You want me to do now?
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, oh, okay.
	Actually, can we, Rebecca?
	Can I?
	Would you rather we wait and just do small talk during the commercials?
	I mean, what do you want us to do here?
	Would that be okay?
	Would that be all right?
	Because I just have a couple of questions.
	I mean, If I could just ask Joseph a couple of questions, and would that be all right, Joseph?
	And then when we come back, would it be all right if we got you on air?
	Sure.
	Yeah, sure, go ahead.
	Because, like I said, we're just trying to do a balance here between everything that's going on.
	So, because here was my question about this.
	I mean, after my working on this book and writing all this, I don't do you think that the past can be changed?
	Because it doesn't seem like anybody that's dealing with this stuff seems to think it can be.
	Any opinions?
	Do I have opinions?
	Well, I've been working a lot with people from Lawrence Livermore and a lot of quantum physicists, CAS mathematicians, different people that I hang out with, there's varying opinions on that.
	Probably the highest percentage of people will tell you that it would seem nobody will say is or isn't because they're very precise about sticking to E prime when they're talking about these things.
	Because as you know, tomorrow everything could go out the window and what you think is true is not true anymore because the models consistently change.
	But it would seem that the highest percentage of people that you would ask in the field would tell you that it's most likely that the time cannot, that the past cannot be changed.
	However, there's a lot of different competing theories about why that is.
	And in fact, we're talking about time wave zero tonight, and Terrence McKenna and myself and some other people have a, or had Terrence had, but you know, we continue to have some of us an opinion that 2012 is really a marker for when time travel will be proven to be possible and therefore a marker for when people from the future can come back to the past.
	And again, this is, you know, I'm not saying that this is absolute, but this is a theory.
	And so that it could be some sort of hard stop that happens at 2012.
	And beyond 2012, that's when we start to see people coming from the future.
	Because the question is, if time travel is possible and we think it's going to be developed in the future, where is everybody?
	Well, then let me ask this question because I knew, you know, I knew Terrence.
	I grew up in Atherton, which is just over the Santa Cruz Mountains from where Terrence was in Half Moon Bay.
	And, you know, we used to go visit Terrence, and all of my mother would say, don't you dare eat the desserts at Terrence's house because you come back, well, like, never.
	So, and we did an interview with Terrence back when I worked on sightings, actually way long ago, back in 92, I think it was.
	And in the interview on sightings, you know, he talked about the Time Wave Zero being based on the ICHANG, and that they basically said two things that I think were interesting, and I want your opinion on.
	He talked about, and this was back in late 91, early 92, when he said this.
	He said that December 3rd of 2011 was the tipping point.
	We coming back?
	Here we go.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Single computer science class in my life.
	So.
	So that's how all this came together.
	You heard my grandfather being the influence and the one responsible for introducing me to the occult and anarchistic thinking and free thinking.
	Computer science came out of an interest in mathematics, which really came out of an interest in ontology and philosophy.
	And I just happened to be in Santa Cruz at the right place at the right time, and all these people were kind of converging as the rave culture was emerging and the internet culture was emerging.
	And they were all kind of huddled around the warm light of this truly creative center that I haven't found anything like it since.
	But Santa Cruz in the late 80s and to the mid-90s was a phenomenal epicenter of thinking where some of the greatest minds in the world were, well, a good example.
	I met Jaron Lanier, who was the guy who created virtual reality basically as a busker on the street in Santa Cruz playing a guitar for change.
	Again, a guy who's never had a computer science class in his life and he went on to create VR.
	I just have to break in.
	I just have to break in here because I was in Santa Cruz at that time too.
	You were?
	See what I mean?
	I run into people all the time.
	They're like, I was in Santa Cruz.
	Only geniuses were there.
	No, just kidding.
	Okay, that's pretty funny.
	What was happening is there was something, because I came all the way from Chicago to go there, and I didn't even know why, but there was something that was happening.
	It was an epicenter of a giant cultural explosion that we're still feeling the ripples of.
	And anybody who was anybody that had any kind of sensitivity and any kind of creativity was drawn there, like I'm off to the flame.
	Now you guys are a bunch of stone savage hippies all living in the trees there.
	I'm sorry.
	The drugs were good.
	I forgot about that part.
	Wait, wait, here's my question.
	Let me go back to the train that we were riding with.
	Here's my question.
	We have to bring this more up to date, though, Joseph Matheny, because I need you to talk a little bit more about who you are and who you became after that.
	Oh, my God.
	On the other hand, if I'm going to be able to do that, the ONS hat thing really, and I don't want to get into detail on that, but the ONGS hat thing really came out of that period of time in Santa Cruz when I was hanging out with all those people that I mentioned who were phenomenal influences.
	You know, I became great friends with some people like Nick Herbert and Sarfati and all these people that were these physicists that were also acid head hippies.
	So they were in it for more than just the pure mathematics and physics.
	They really had a mystical influence and a mystical interest in the universe.
	And so it was easy to talk to them on all different kinds of levels.
	But out of that came this thing, Ong's Hat, which the way that I put that together, I decided because I was an early internet or bulletin board system adopter, I decided that I wanted to kind of advance literature into the new format of computers and networking.
	So, you know, and I don't, again, I don't want to get into it because it could take me hours, but basically, I kind of came up with a new way to present stories and write stories on the internet.
	There's been an academic study that's just been released on that.
	If anybody is interested, it's called Budge and Tripping, Cohen, something, something to search for Ong's Hat.
	It's such a long title.
	It's a textbook that's being used by mythology and comparative religion classes across the nation right now.
	Couple of really good, couple of really good reviews of it.
	Chronicle of Higher Education and the Journal of Folklore Studies did really good reviews of it.
	Go out there and get it.
	And basically, it just talks about what I did with Ong's Hat and how I did it more than anything.
	But it does take place in New Jersey, and it does involve going to a second Earth.
	It involves that, and it also involves some of the same stuff that the Montauk Project was involved in, which is why Peter and I came together.
	I didn't know Peter before I did that, but the reason we kind of came together is we somehow met on the internet and we kind of started to compare notes and realized that some of the stuff that was going on in the Montauk project was similar to the legends of ONGS HAT, which is based on a real urban legend.
	There were black projects that were happening World War II, and a lot of scientists were going off base and off-campus and proceeding with these projects once the budgets got cut.
	And that's what the story of Ong's Hat is really about.
	It's about interdimensional travel.
	But there was enough similarities between what we were reading there and what I was reading in the Montauk Project.
	And that's how Peter and I became friends.
	So that's, you know, in a nutshell, that's basically it.
	And I have done a bunch of artificial intelligence stuff.
	If you go to Google Patents and type in my name, you'll see some of that stuff.
	And, you know, that's that all, again, I don't think of myself as an artificial intelligence designer or programmer because that was all a tool to get to what I was really after, which was, you know, with the ONGS Hat Project.
	If you read Legend Tripping, you'll find out what I was really after was looking at this giant repository of information that was continually growing every day called the internet, which was fairly new in 1995, and looking at that as a resource for an artificial intelligence to gather and collate and using some of the methods that Brian Geison and William Burroughs used with the cut-up.
	This was a more advanced method of that so that I could have a conversation with what Terrence would have called the other and Burroughs and Geyson called the third mind.
	That's really what it was about.
	That's what I was after.
	Wow.
	And I'm just still trying to figure out how to just put my book on Kindle.
	Okay.
	Well, I think that that's a great entree.
	Can we?
	We got sort of an echo here, so please mute yourself if you're not talking because we get a round going here on the live stream thing.
	But at any rate, the next person it'd be great to hear from is Peter Moon.
	And Peter, are you there?
	And can you hear me?
	Yes, yes, I am.
	And before I say anything, Sean, Joe taught me to get the program Sigil.
	You download it for free from the internet, and you can cut and paste your book right into EPUB, which you can then put it on Kindle.
	Thank you so much, Peter.
	That helps a lot.
	Thank you very much.
	Sigil.
	And yeah, it's not too hard.
	S-I-G-L.
	Okay, all right.
	Okay, cool.
	So Peter, Peter Moon is the publisher of the Montauk books.
	And Peter, we'd like you to give yourself about five minutes.
	I almost said yourselves.
	That's interesting.
	But anyway, you know, tell us about yourself in such a way that it relates to time travel.
	And you have an extensive experience, as well as you could talk about Dr. David Anderson to some degree as well.
	At some time during this conversation, I want you to address that, but you could throw some details in if you'd like.
	Right.
	I grew up in California, starting in Southern California, not far from Disneyland.
	And by the time I grew in the later part of the 60s during the revolutions in San Francisco and whatnot, I moved up to Northern California and was very much influenced culturally by that.
	I would have been slated for, so I was slated for Silicon Valley.
	I was going to go in that direction, but I ended up getting interrupted by a movement called Scientology where I learned, I was studying an esoteric path in high school before I got involved in that, and that that was, you know, I had out-of-body experiences through that, learned about being a spirit and not a meathead, which I thought I was.
	And of course, I ended up, through synchronicity, going right to the top of that organization and worked for L. Ron Hubbard personally.
	So I have a lot of insights that most Scientologists don't even have, and that would include your celebrities.
	There are a lot of them who groping in the dark.
	And what's interesting about that, because that's a big subject we can't digress onto, but they had this out-of-the-body stuff evolved into what the government got from them, the remote viewing, Hal Pewdoff, Pat Price, and Ingo Swan.
	Ingo Swan, all those people were Scientologists, and they started the remote viewing at SRI, Sanford Research Institute.
	So I was privy to a lot of, you know, stuff that a lot of people aren't privy to.
	And as I say, even your hardcore Scientologists aren't privy to.
	So that was, with all the controversy, much of which is valid, that's beside the point.
	That was kind of my early background.
	We don't want to digress onto that.
	But one of the things is, about Hubbard, is he was exposing mind control and Manchurian candidate stuff back in the 50s.
	Now, and so if he would have continued with his movement unchecked, unabated, he could have been pulling back Manchurian candidates in the government that the government was creating.
	So he was a big problem to the government back in the 50s, whatever you think of him otherwise.
	So I learned a lot about, you know, what mind control was about, and I had a lot of good fortune.
	You know, like if you had that Mutiny on the bounty with, what was it, Captain Bly, you know, I was the guy who, you know, was kind of undisturbed for some reason.
	I wasn't put on the ship.
	I wasn't put on Tahiti.
	I kind of just took a boat off to, you know, Bora Bora and ended up back happy.
	So I did not have a lot of, you know, this horrific experiences that a lot of these former Scientologists complain about.
	So I had some good destiny working for me.
	And talk about the Montau, how you got involved in Pontaux.
	I'm getting there.
	I'm getting there.
	All right.
	All right.
	I'm sorry.
	It's a very important background.
	All right.
	And we get to Montauk.
	And Montauk in 19, I moved to Long Island.
	And anyway, in Long Island, it took me seven years to find Preston Nichols in the Montauk Project, which was, see, there was a lot of occultism behind Scientology and a lot of occultism.
	You can't understand the Montauk Project if you don't understand the occultism behind all of this stuff, which includes Aleister Crowley, L. Ron Hubbard, Jack Parsons, as Joe mentioned earlier.
	All of these characters were involved in an experiment called the Babylon Working, which was to reincarnate the goddess Babylon, which was to overturn the The bogus world of Christianity that we're ruled by in a lot of ways here.
	So, the Montauk project was a space-time project that was using mind control.
	And it was using all of these techniques that Hubbard was exposing to manipulate the timeline.
	And because I had this background, I was able to understand and deal with the characters involved in it, which were Preston, Nichols, Duncan, Cameron, and Al Bielick, who had all been subject to horrific mind control operations, shock treatments, and even got involved in the action themselves as perpetrators.
	So, there was a lot of hardcore psychic snot, if you will, that was surrounding the whole titan caboodle of the Montauk project.
	So, the Montauk project was part of what Kenneth Grant called the Space-Time Project.
	He predicted that the Space-Time Projects would be coming forth in this coming new eon in the age of Aquarius.
	And Sean is alluding to one.
	We don't really know too much about that yet.
	Joe Ong Hat and Mahalo.
	Peter, I need you to take a breath here because we're just coming up on a break.
	So, once again, you're listening to Strange Universe, and we'll be back.
	What would your life be like?
	Sorry about that.
	Okay, so now we're once again just on live stream.
	And so, Peter, that's great.
	We got that on the American Freedom Radio version of this discussion.
	While that's going on, would you like to have Peter suspend the rest of this until we start up again, Sean?
	That's a good ending point for where my background is, because that's my background.
	I think we should go to the, that's the, that's like, we've each had our five minutes except for Greg, except for Greg.
	Right.
	Why don't you?
	And I, and myself, which I don't really need five minutes, but I should say a couple things in case there are some listeners that are new to the whole scenario here.
	I will, I would like to.
	I think we all kind of brought our fan base, so people probably want to know about you too, Carrie.
	Okay, very good.
	Who truly needs no introduction on my now, do you want us to wait until we go back on the air on American Freedom Radio?
	So, meanwhile, we can just sort of shoot the breeze behind the scenes a bit here again and pick up where we left off where Joseph Matheny was talking behind the scenes before we started the introductions.
	Yeah, I mean, Sean had asked me a question.
	So, Sean, you know, knowing Terrence, I didn't hang out with him a lot, but he did come to our fog groups fairly regularly, like every couple times a year.
	And I had conversations with him about Time Wave Zero because I was into the I Ching at the time.
	And, you know, as you know, Terrence and even Terrence admitted that his opinions about things would change over time.
	So the tipping point thing I think is pretty evident, though, if you look around at what's going on right now, December definitely was a tipping point for something.
	What Terrence said in the interview, just refresh your memory, is he said, and this is what was so interesting, he said, December 3rd of 2011.
	This is back in 91, remember?
	He said, December 3rd of 2011 was going to be the final Fibonacci wave helix of the I Ching of the Time Wave Zero software.
	And he didn't mention this, but I kept thinking, well, why the hell is December 3rd such a big deal?
	And why does it have to do with December 21st?
	You know, if you do, you know, a little, you know, it's too bad they don't teach recreational mathematics anymore, but it's exactly 385 days from December 3rd, 2011, to December 21st of 2012, which is exactly a 13-month lunar year up until December 21st of 2012.
	And this was the final unraveling.
	And, of course, then, you know, this was in the interview in 91 when he was showing all the spikes and he was saying that then on this date there's a there's a a novelty wave that stretches into infinity that is greater than the sum total of all these other novelty waves combined we're talking about the rise and fall of the roman empire and first world war second world war american revolution fresh revolution and the question was then asked what the hell what you know what happens terrence and terrence you know literally his eyes just lit up and his hair was on fire and
	And, you know, who knows what he was on at that time.
	But he's just like, the only explanation I have is that we learn how to travel through time.
	And that was pretty much the end of the interview because he showed the spike where this spike just goes into singularity where it literally just – I mean it goes – he says it goes into infinity.
	And this is where the I Ching that started in like 5130, 5130 B.C. with Emperor Nguyen, for all his purposes, ends.
	So it's pretty scary.
	And at the same time, we have everything else looking to this.
	And we do have some evidence that the actual Mayan calendar ended on October 28th of 2011.
	But what that ended was the nine waves of creation.
	And now we seem to be in a gestation period that we're just kind of like the baby in the womb that's like absorbing all this information.
	And you guys who do time wave zero, the first big ratchet of the time wave zero that then is a series.
	And I've never seen anything like it because everything else has been these kind of spikes.
	And it looks like kind of stalagmites.
	Are we coming up?
	Coming up.
	But what happens now on February 8th and 9th is you have the first plateau of something that happens on February 8th and 9th, you know, literally next week.
	All right, stand by.
	And then we'll take it from there.
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	This is Sean David Morton.
	We've got fantastic people online here.
	We've got Joseph Matheny.
	We've got – wait, wait, wait.
	I've got to get back to everybody here.
	Hold on.
	I've got to get back to my Skype.
	We've got Carrie Cassidy on from Project Camelot.
	We've got Greg Hallett here.
	We've got Joseph Matheny.
	We've got the amazing Peter Moon, author of the Montauk books.
	And we're going to go back to Greg now because we haven't heard from Greg.
	So we're going to have – Greg, it's your five minutes of fame, partner.
	Take it.
	And Joseph Matheny's finger.
	So tell us about you, mate.
	Okay.
	Yeah, Greg, just give yourself a bio for about five minutes if you don't mind, give or take.
	Okay, I've written 10 books.
	Um I started off writing uh The Family Court and then I started writing about Hitler and Stalin and Churchill and the Second World War.
	Um now the first downed UFO was actually in Freiburg in Germany in 1936, which was 11 years ahead of the one that crashed in Roswell in 1947.
	My great-grandfather, Ernest Godwood, was an inventor in New York at the same time as Nikolai Tesla.
	My great-grandfather owned the company.
	He invented the forerunner to the carburetor and his vice president was Samuel Clements, is Mark Twain.
	And Mark Twain knew Nikolai Tesla and he was the go-between.
	And I think that what happens is that scientists experiment on their own children or their own grandchildren or designate their grand their great-grandchildren whom they generally don't know.
	And that we are the subjects of experiments and I think that includes an elevated consciousness that we are somehow placed in at a young age, maybe four, five or six.
	And that leads to new ways of thinking which then influence the rest of the community.
	So I think that some of our thoughts are actually coming from decisions that were made 1910 to 1920.
	I had some experience with this sort of work and even got to the calculation stage and wrote a book called Flying the Planet, which was thinking along Nikolai Tesla's line.
	It was actually about how to fly the planet.
	It was stolen by the Security Intelligence Service in conjunction with Mossad in May 2005 and then they reported back through the 20c of the Security Intelligence Service who I was having lunch with, who said it's shit.
	And then my two editors rang me up six months after they finished editing and twelve months after they'd finished editing and said, you're stuff, it's on the news.
	It's science now.
	So what you actually get from intelligence is generally counterintelligence and the intelligence that you get actually comes from oblique sources that you may not recognize or be able to pin down in terms of specific meetings or names of people.
	and it's just fleeting stuff.
	In interest, I've done an interview with Raylan Allen about a possible cure that happened for any form of time tear and that that was a pre-COG type situation with three pre-COGs based in
	Washington, D.C., about three floors down.
	Then going to Antarctica to Dome Charlie, which is apparently an abandoned base and being active there at the end of this year on the 27th of December 2012.
	And from that, the time tear was corrected to drop the Berlin Wall early.
	And another time correction event that's going to happen, which is to do with altering the monarchies.
	So that's where I'm coming from.
	Okay.
	That's a great beginning.
	All right.
	So at this moment, I think we've covered you, although I know that's just literally the tip of the iceberg, actually, Greg, with regard to what you could talk about.
	And just for the listeners, I'd like you to appreciate the mental force that we've got assembled here in the people that we've gotten together for this discussion.
	And I think that people that are sort of have been deeply into the time travel sort of sense of things and even time manipulation will really appreciate that these people have never been together in one forum talking to each other.
	And this is quite a unique event.
	Meanwhile, back at the Hall of Justice, the Justice League decides how they can repair time.
	You know what we need?
	We need a base on the moon.
	That's what we need.
	We need like a base on the moon so we can all teleport and the Justice League can be there.
	And, you know, we can have Joseph play the Martian Manhunter.
	And we can have Greg Gallant.
	Well, except that we already have a base on the moon.
	But that's a Camelot matter.
	So I'm going to give myself an introduction, assuming that we haven't quite.
	Hey, this is Tom and I present Carrie Cassidy.
	Carrie, give us about five minutes and tell us a little bit about yourself and Project Camelot and how you got started in all this, huh?
	Okay.
	So Project Camelot is, and Greg Hallett, I'd have to ask you to mute yourself if you don't mind because we can hear you coughing.
	Thank you.
	But at any rate, I am interested in putting together these kinds of Camelot roundtables for the public because I believe that experts in these various areas rarely speak to each other, especially in public.
	And therefore, there is a total lack of understanding and knowledge.
	And also people tend to remain in their own little private Idaho, so to speak.
	They never compare notes.
	And we are actually a lot stronger when we are together and comparing notes because that is actually how you get the big picture.
	And Project Camelot has always been about getting the big picture.
	We started this back in 2006.
	So we've been deeply down the rabbit hole for the past six years, Bill Ryan and myself.
	And I was a frustrated filmmaker.
	Bill Ryan was a webmaster for actually he was a volunteer webmaster for a bizarre project called Project Serpo.
	And that's how I met him because I had picked up a camcorder and decided to interview speakers such as the ones you've got here on this conference by just putting a camera in front of their face at conferences and asking them, first of all, if they'd seen a UFO.
	And I had incredible luck and people talked to me, were quite open with me.
	And one of the people that I met and interviewed was Bill Ryan because he was the flavor of the month at the time.
	I was not so impressed with having him as an interviewee because he was simply a webmaster at that time.
	But he was also a writer and had had deep experiences of his own in the occult land to do with UFOs, etc.
	And we ended up hitting it off.
	I met him in Tintagl, England, had a terrific amount of past life recall of the time of King Arthur.
	And Bill seemed to have a strange association with King Arthur as well.
	And being English on top of it, there are some that have said that he's even part of that bloodline and so on.
	So at this point, we decided, really with very little preamble, to create Project Camelot.
	And in essence, Project Camelot is the WikiLeaks of Above Top Secret.
	We went on to interview whistleblowers who were involved in black projects and have been doing so for the past six years, in addition to researchers and authors who have basically investigated all aspects of, well, top secret and above top secret topics.
	And certainly time travel and time manipulation is one of them.
	So that's a very brief overview of how I got involved in all of this.
	My interest here in putting this group together is to augment my current interview with Bill Brockbrader that many people will be aware of, also known as Bill Wood, and had a live stream event with David Wilcock and Bill Ryan,
	myself, and Bill Brockbrader talking about what his experience was with Project Looking Glass as sort of a military remote viewer, semi-psychic, whatever you want to call that, who was brought on board to actually see beyond Looking Glass.
	And Looking Glass has been talked about in one of our interviews by Dan Bierish.
	Take it away, Sean.
	Okay, all right.
	Well, look, we're gonna, we're we're coming off of a commercial break here.
	Once again, we're sort of splitting between Project Camelot and this and Strange Universe.
	So once again, Strange Universe answering the question: what does Lady Gaga think is strange?
	answer that when we come back in a few beats of your heart now
	you hopefully they will do their job and mute themselves Lovely.
	There are the others, they just did.
	I still have that burning question for Joseph about, you know, we're at the tipping point where, you know, the Time Wave Zero software starts losing its mind next week, like next Wednesday, next Wednesday.
	Something weird is going to happen next week.
	Because now, from everything I can see from studying the Time Wave Zero stuff, way back when I bought my first Mac Classic and I got this from Terrence, and I was running it on those programs, and so I've been, you know, love that software.
	Now it appears that the Time Wave Zero software, Joseph, is now getting to the point where instead of doing these spikes, you know, we've been on this real, we had a huge novelty wave between April 15th and May 15th.
	And we had, you know, Donald Trump accusing Barack Obama, and then Obama putting out another birth certificate, you know, that most people think is fake.
	And then we had Kate and William get married, which three and a half billion people watched on April 30th.
	Then we had the, you know, Osama Osama bin Laden supposedly killed again for the 10th time.
	And so all these weird things happened.
	And then we've been in this really sort of long kind of downward spiral here.
	Now, the spike starts happening next, as I said, February 8th and 9th, something very strange happens, where it appears as though that these blocks or plateaus occur constantly building, where it looks as though things that things that took, this is how I interpret it, and I'd like your opinion on it.
	The things that used to take the human race hundreds of years to learn, you know, decades to learn, lifetimes, years even now seem to be that there's a global enlightenment of, oh, that's so 12 seconds ago, that we're about ready to, I don't know, learn a series of global lessons in a quantumly short period of time, and that this builds and builds and builds until December 21st.
	Any ideas?
	Yeah, this is not a new concept.
	It's not unique to Time Wave Zero.
	The novelty factor was described by a lot of people, probably most recently.
	Robert Anton Wilson called it the jumping Jesus factor.
	Well, you know, he said you can use anything for a unit of measure you want to, so he decided to take the 2,000 years since the birth of Christ and use that as a Jesus factor.
	He called it one factor of Jesus.
	And in from the birth of Christ to, you know, 2,000 years later, and he just kind of quantified it into, you know, how much novelty and information is compressed into shorter and shorter increments of time as we move along the timeline.
	And this is a provable and observable fact of human life.
	However, I think that what Time Wave Zero and a lot of other things are pointing towards is not a scary thing.
	It's actually an enlightening thing.
	And I'm finding it very helpful.
	And what I'm looking at is, let's put this into a context.
	What we've been living under since Babylon, or we can even say the tail end of Samaria when we came out of being nomadic hunter-gatherers without calendars and clocks and all this, you know, this periodicity and synchronicity that we live with, was more of a time was more of a fuzzy concept.
	And I think we're going back into a time period soon where time will become more of a fuzzy concept and concepts will become fuzzier and our acceptance of fuzzier concepts will become wider.
	And I think one of the emerging factors that points to that, and everybody may groan when I say this, but if you look at the Occupy movement, one of the biggest complaints by the old guard was that they didn't have an agenda or a clear agenda.
	And anybody who was in their 20s in the Occupied movement said, we don't need a clear agenda because there's a lot of things, and we're talking about a gestalt here.
	We're not talking about one or five issues.
	And so this is the type of thinking that we're moving into, which is literally moving back towards the type of nomadic country-gatherer thinking that we had before we got into this citadel living, industrial living, all this stuff that has to do with clocks and calendars and cutting things into.
	All right.
	Okay, sorry.
	Thank you.
	Finish that sentence, Joseph?
	Okay, well, hold on.
	Here, come back.
	You can finish your sentence here.
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	It's me, Sean David Morton.
	Welcome back to all of this.
	And once again, my guests, Kerry Cassidy, Joseph Metheny, Peter Moon of the Montauk Books, Greg Hallett, once again, who looks like he's hiding out in a Russian prison somewhere.
	And the lovely Project Canalite, Kerry Cassidy.
	And again, if you're on live stream with us as well, we were talking to Joseph Metheny about the question I asked him was that once again, the TimeWave Zero software, which Terrence McKenna basically was his effort of taking the I Ching and processing it through a computer, and it came out with a series of novelty spikes and waves.
	And one of the interesting things about this is that the first of the main blocks of the final Time Wave Zero software seems to occur next February 8th and 9th.
	And something amazingly novel is going to occur in that period of time.
	And Joseph, you can just complete your thought about that it's not a new concept.
	You were saying that not really a new concept about that we learn quicker and the time is beginning to shift.
	So you want to complete your thought on that?
	Yeah, I mean, even in software or in computer hardware, specifically with processing power, you see that we have these exponential jumps.
	But what I was getting to, and I'll just do a quick summation, is what Time Wave Zero is describing and what Terrence and other people were describing is they're trying their best to put into a mathematical, precise, and even linguistic language something that comes from the mythopoetic realm.
	So it's not going to be a precise concept that they're trying to describe.
	And Terrence even expressed frustration with trying to English these things, as he called it.
	So we can't, and again, what I was getting at was we are moving from a time where we have the fake artifice of overlay that calendars are.
	Calendars are an artifice, right?
	And that's why we have leap years, and that's why we have all these fudging that we do with zero and all these different things.
	Calendars are an artifice, so we can't really stick to on this day at this time something's going to happen precisely because from the mythopoetic realm we got this information.
	Because from the mythopoetic realm, the thing it's describing could take anywhere from three days to 10 years, but it's somewhere in that period of time in a fuzzier logic sense that we're describing these things.
	Okay.
	And all right, we're going to jump and jump again.
	Actually, Peter, do you want to comment on any of that, Peter Moon?
	It's well, he's talking about linear.
	I mean, that's linearization.
	You know, Terrence is trying to describe it in a linear fashion, and Joe's basically saying it's not linear.
	It's non-linear.
	And that could go off into a whole nother.
	Well, I think what's also happening too is that again, it seems as though we're moving out of some kind of neural dampening field.
	That the promise of 2012 is that now we're finally getting the veil removed from the right-hand side of the brain, which for all intents and purposes is, you know, the left-hand side of the brain, which we know as the Western male dominant side of the brain, is really only good for measuring things.
	It's height, width, breadth, a linear measurement of time, mathematics, geometry, space, judgment, if you will, which is very masculine and very Western.
	You know, the Western aspect is that something only exists if you have a machine that has the capability to measure it.
	And the better our machines get, the more our universe begins to expand.
	However, in the right-hand side of the brain, that we jokingly call the passive, feminine, submissive side of the brain, if you will, that part of the brain thinks in terms of symbols, archetypes, dance, music, artistic expression, visual and visual expressions.
	It's literally the alphabet and writing that killed the goddess because we used to tell stories through all those mediums.
	And now, one of the things, the superior anterior section of the brain that things like remote viewing and intuition and whatever taps into taps into a quantum level of time where the past, present, and the future are very much happening all at once.
	So the idea behind all of this, the whole mind core synthesis of all this one life has purpose, God is love, is that this right-hand side of the brain opens up, that we start becoming more like what Joseph was talking about with all those hippie savages that were living up in the trees in Santa Cruz.
	That they, you know, they were literally mathematicians and scientists and computer experts, but they were using hallucinogens to actually open up this side of the brain to take it beyond whatever it is to the next step or the next level.
	I think it goes beyond that too.
	Through the obsessive-compulsive quantifying that we've done with the scientific era that we've been in for forever how long, at least since the Greeks, one of the things that we've finally got to through the quantification process is getting to the minutia and realizing that the minutiae is not quantifiable.
	It's very fuzzy.
	And one of the things that this points out is, well, let me break it into a different language.
	I mean, you're an intuitive, I believe, right?
	Isn't that what I heard?
	Yes.
	Okay, so then you know this.
	Let's talk about 2012, the phenomena, rather than 2012, the date.
	And when we talk about 2012, the phenomena, that maps more into how I perceive reality.
	And I think you probably, as an intuitive, do too.
	An event actually is a gradient and it's not a dot on a line.
	The dot on the line is an artifice that we've done for the purpose of quantifying.
	And what we've done, unfortunately, over the last several thousand years is we've bought the map that we've sold ourselves as the territory.
	And now I think what we're going to be forced to do is we're going to go back to recognizing the territory, and the map is a map, and the territory is a territory.
	And we're going to move into this new back into this new way of thinking, which if you look at what the internet actually does to people, it forces people into a nomadic country-gatherer state of mind because that is what you are on the internet.
	You're a nomadic country-gatherer of information.
	Wow.
	Interesting.
	And as Lord Nelson said, the map is not the territory.
	The menu is not the meal, yeah.
	Exactly, exactly.
	So, Terry, let's get back to Bill Wood and what I know and what I don't know.
	After listening to about five hours of watching everything that you sent me on Bill Wood, I watched.
	Okay, we first learned about Project Looking Glass through Bob Lazar, oddly enough, because he told us about it in 1990 that he was working on three projects: Project Galileo, Project Red Light, and Project Looking Glass.
	He was not working on Looking Glass, but that was something that was going on between S4, where he was, and then, of course, Area 51, which is a very large place, or 5-1, as they call it, or Shady Rest, as they used to call the S4 facility, which, for all intents and purposes, we think has probably been dismantled because everything's been moved to the U.S. Space Command, which is a big top-secret underground facility underneath Kings Peak in the Uenta Forest in Utah.
	And I'd had an argument with a couple of people in the community for a while who kept talking about how Looking Glass was used to view the future.
	And remember, we got the interviews with Bob Lazar just as he was coming out of this experience.
	And his story has changed and morphed.
	He's backed off on some things.
	He had some extraterrestrial contacts.
	He saw some things in regards to extraterrestrials.
	There was some mind control that was going on with him that he sort of backed off on.
	But Looking Glass, as far as we know, and this is interesting because your boy Bill Wood said that he saw it, that again, he never worked on it.
	He read reports about people that worked on it.
	He never actually worked on the yellow box.
	And again, you did the interview, so I'm just talking about what I heard.
	Because Looking Glass was a gravity lens that, for all intents and purposes, was only used to view events in the past that had already occurred because you could take the lens, set it to a sort of a fixed point in space where you it's very much like how we look up at the stars and we're seeing light from stars from millions of years ago.
	If we had telescopes that were that were powerful enough, we could probably see life on these planets as it existed, however many thousands of years ago, as far as the light goes.
	There was a story, and this is just a story, that the extraterrestrials had a kind of a smaller version of Looking Glass that was kind of like a faceted jewel that they would take out.
	And it literally looked like one of those Star Wars communicators that had sort of a hologram on it.
	And one of the first things they showed some of these officials was, okay, here's the crucifixion of Christ.
	And, you know, it was the scene being played out sort of like a hologram.
	Now, whether it really was, nobody really knows.
	But as far as everything that we could tell.
	But that's the yellow book that you're describing.
	Well, okay.
	But then he's talking about the yellow box.
	And it is kind of funny because it's called the yellow book or the yellow cube.
	They're called yellow.
	They're the same thing.
	Two names for the same thing.
	Well, there was yellow box, yellow book, yellow cube.
	So there were three different things in an interview.
	If I remember right now, that's the same thing.
	That's the same thing.
	Okay, all right.
	But again, it was one of those things that was only, you know, it only told the future of the person that was asking the question.
	That's correct.
	Question becomes since the only future, since the only future that they found out about was that Hillary Clinton was going to be president in 2012.
	It makes you wonder who actually answered the question.
	I'm thinking, really, they spent millions of dollars to get extraterrestrial technology and they've got something that, for all intents and purposes, is a magic eight ball.
	Ooh, you know, prospects are good, sort of thing.
	And again, let me, and wait, hold on, this is this because this taps into the question for you.
	As far as I know, all right, now you and I have been involved in the Wingmakers thing for a while.
	And I'm not sure who got into it first.
	I think I started, I published a bunch of stuff about it in my newsletter in late 97, 98.
	And then you got involved in the wingmaker stuff.
	And I got in so much trouble investigating the wingmakers.
	I found out where their base was, where the ACIO actually is, Adam La Jolla.
	I investigated companies that Jameson, I found a woman who knew Jamison Naruta and worked with him at the Museum of Natural History as an expert in Mesoamerican skeletons and cultures.
	So I found people that knew him, that had worked with him.
	He mentioned a couple of companies that I did some research into that got me in a whole bunch of trouble, made a bunch of money off them, but got me into all kinds of trouble.
	One of them specifically being a company called Omnigon.
	And he was talking about how OmniGon was going to release this extraterrestrial form of mathematics that was supposed to increase broadband speeds on the internet.
	And I found this company and I called them up and I talked to a woman named Elaine Gifford, who was the foreign communications director for the CIA for 28 years.
	Her husband, Frank, no relation to the USC or Giants football player, had worked at Area 51 for ONI.
	And I was asking her about buying stock in the company.
	And she said, sure.
	So she sends me a prospectus of this company.
	And oh my lord, page after page after page, this thing was spooked central.
	Every single one of these people, CIA, NSA, ONI, you know, on and on, every single page.
	And they were connected to another company, which was even scarier, called Gene Tech, that had a lot to do with gene splicing and creating new species and food and whatever else.
	Well, I mentioned these guys on coast to coast.
	And I get a letter from their attorneys threatening to sue me because I mentioned them on the radio.
	And I had attorneys calling me saying, how did you get this information?
	I said, I called you on the phone and asked you for a prospectus.
	It's right here.
	You guys sent me a big stack of paper.
	And they're like, you can't mention us.
	You can't say anything about us.
	How dare you?
	You don't have anything to do with us.
	And I'm like, well, I might, you know, if I invest in your company.
	And so I got a letter from their lawyers threatening to sue me.
	I got phone calls from them asking me how I found out about their company when I talked to them on the phone and they sent me the prospectus and the whole deal.
	Meanwhile, every technological advance, every technological advance that Naruto talked about in the Wingmakers is now not only being developed, the one thing specifically was a chip that went into the hippocampus that then did everything that Joseph is talking about.
	It sped up the processing.
	It turbocharged the hippocampus, which means it sped up the processing between the left and the right-hand sides of the brain and created what they called fluidic intelligence, where they stopped measuring their IQs at like a thousand or so.
	But they said that for about a six-week period, you were on the weirdest peyote acid trip ever because it took that long to integrate the image part of the brain into the judgmental part of the brain.
	And again, it sounds like science fiction, but six years later, I get, because I graduated from the University of Southern California, I get the USC Trojan Family Magazine.
	And they send me a magazine, and lo and behold, there's the chip that they were talking about at the Wingmakers being developed with a grant from DARPA, the Defense and Advanced Research Project Agency, by the neuroscience and gerontology division at USC to basically put a chip in the hippocampus to supposedly help Alzheimer's patients and all this.
	But why the hell is it being developed at a private university with money that came down from DARPA?
	So this leads into the next thing.
	As far as I know, Looking Glass was only ever used to view events in the past.
	And there are all kinds of challenges with Looking Glass because you could move around the lens to where you wanted to see various events in the past.
	Because the obvious restriction would be that if you just looked at the past through a lens and you were sitting in the middle of a desert, oh, there's the desert a thousand years ago.
	How much are you actually going to learn?
	The reason it was abandoned was because they then took live remote viewers, and this is once again Wingmakers again, and they simply hooked them up to machines.
	They just put these two diodes on the frontal lobes of the brain and hooked them up into a computer that could actually, as they move the remote viewer around a target, they could actually see what the remote viewer was seeing in their mind on the computer.
	Now, as crazy as this sounds, now, let's jump ahead 10, 12 years or so.
	You had last season on House MD, you actually had an episode that was all about a machine that's being developed at Princeton Scarborough Hospital in New Jersey that is literally, and in this episode, there was a girl with a coma, and they had to figure out what she saw last in order to save her life and who attacked her and all this other stuff.
	But it was actually coming up with images directly from the girl's brain.
	And this is something that's now being developed again on another military grant from DARPA at Princeton Scarborough University.
	So it was much easier for them to simply wet wire living psychics or intuitives or remote viewers with a little bit of training, project them towards a target of what they wanted to see, move them around within the target, which is relatively easy in remote viewing, and then hook them into a computer which could actually see what their brains were seeing, tell them to focus on it.
	So then they got not only an audio report from the remote viewer as to what was going on, but they also got pictures and images from the viewer as well, which was a far more effective aspect of time travel as far as I know.
	Okay, but Sean, let me just say, first of all, there's also Magnority report that showed you the pre-COGS being hooked up.
	So there wasn't just, you know, that was done in a movie a long time ago.
	Actually, Wingmakers was 98.
	All right, well, it was.
	I know the report was like, what, 97 or something like that?
	All right.
	Around, they probably, maybe they were similar timing.
	But the point being is that, let's back up to Looking Glass.
	First of all, I guess you've never seen our video that is called Stargate Secrets.
	That was an interview with Dan Burish talking about Looking Glass, how it's constructed.
	Bill Hamilton, one of my other interviewees very early on in Camelot, worked with Dan Burish and wrote a book called Project Aquarius.
	But he also, there are diagrams of the Looking Glass.
	The Looking Glass is based on Sumerian cylinder seals, and it is not exactly as you describe it.
	It's actually much more complex than that, but it also has the ability to see into the future.
	In fact, it shows you, hooked up to a computer, it was able to show them percentages of probability for certain events to happen.
	And that all played out on a computer, and that's what they were using.
	Now, to get to the part about Bill Brockbrater, he was brought in as one of those human psychics to see because Looking Glass was bringing, when looking into the future, the same thing over and over again.
	We're going to a commercial here.
	Okay.
	Are you some they didn't bring the music up on time, so there you go.
	So go ahead with what you're saying.
	Okay, so I just want to clarify that your understanding of Looking Glass is not complete, not complete.
	It may be partially correct.
	I was there.
	I'm also repeating what your boy said specifically.
	Well, you're misunderstanding.
	You know, you can go back.
	You saw it in a warehouse, in a corner.
	He didn't have anything to do with it.
	What I'm talking about is the actual Looking Glass, what it did do.
	Now, he also acknowledges what it did do, and he understands it.
	We talked on a live stream with David Wilcock and Bill Ryan and discussed Looking Glass in some depth.
	So I don't want to go back over that same material here, but I will say that.
	I mean, I mean, I'm giving you the reports of the people that we interviewed that actually have proof that they were actually physically on the base and worked at the facility.
	Okay, but that's fine.
	That's what they did.
	The point is, Bill Brockbrater came in later.
	He came in in 1991.
	He was brought on board because they were getting the same answer over and over again from Looking Glass about the future when they looked into 2012.
	And he was asked to see beyond it.
	So that was his job as a sort of psychic remote viewer.
	And he did his job.
	He did not interface with Looking Glass.
	He was shown an empty room basically that had a few barrels in it or whatever was the leftover from it.
	In terms of the way it was constructed, it was something like what you saw in the movie Contact with Jodi Foster.
	And it was also, it is reminiscent to some degree from what I understand of the Nazi Bell as well, which Bill and I actually visited in the deep, you know, dark parts of, I think it was Poland.
	Maybe we should get Peter to weigh in on this.
	What do you think, Peter?
	Well, as you were saying, you were saying Montauk, the Montauk chair was moving.
	And the Montauk chair hooks up the same way as basically Wingmakers were talking about to the brain of the brain, to the brain of Duncan O'Cameron.
	The Montauk chair is a prototype going back to the 50s, but going back even earlier into that, into flight simulation, you know, and connecting the brain to the you know, to the thinking process, to the computer screen, so to speak.
	But there's a big danger in all of this stuff, and I'm not familiar with Looking Glass.
	I don't keep up with so many iterations of, what I do is very specific and very directed towards what I'm doing.
	But so I'm not really familiar with Looking Glass or what you're talking about, but there is a very great danger in all of this stuff that goes on with the people involved in these experiences and experiments.
	The big danger is going nowhere.
	In other words, they're spinning their wheels a lot of the time with future projections.
	And this is for a lot of the secret government stuff, particularly the remote viewing stuff, when it's not connected to all this stuff.
	But it's like people doing a lot of talking, a lot of talking and a lot of jabbering, which is understandably very interesting stuff.
	I mean, this, you know, if I had the time, I'd study all this stuff and all the implications.
	It's fascinating.
	But there's, I mean, I mean, I'm not saying who's doing what here.
	Just saying is there's a very great danger in a lot of the people that sit on the sidelines and talk about this with and as well as the people involved in the experiments of going nowhere.
	But that's, I'm not saying that's what I'm saying.
	Okay, but let's get down to this.
	The essence of the interview with Bill Brock Rader dealt with the convergence of the timelines, what were called at that time, timeline one and timeline two.
	And the big part of the sort of crux of that interview was all about how that there is a convergence of the timelines.
	And that is what he saw when he, as a remote viewer, went in and looked to see what was going to happen in 2012.
	And that, you know, that is.
	When you're talking about this time wave zero concept, there's going to be convergence of a lot of timelines.
	And I would agree with that.
	In fact, we're doing this for this.
	I'm sorry.
	What's that?
	We're coming up.
	Okay.
	We lost Greg.
	Don't be right back.
	To the world, season raspberry gave the wood.
	Now in the morning, a sleep blow sweep the streets ice tune.
	Transmitting from the multi-thought, modulo, and desire.
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	We're here to save the soul, the survival of universal life, the radio show, Hated and Reviled by Sarah Pale and the Kardashians, Paris Hilton.
	But Snookie thinks we're kind of hot.
	So this is Sean David Morton.
	Welcome back.
	When in Rome, they do as I do.
	And we're here with Strange Universe.
	And we got Greg back.
	We've got a great lineup of people tonight.
	We're just doing this fantastic mashup with Kerry Cassidy of Project Camelot.
	Joseph Betheny with his book Angs Hat.
	Peter Moon, the prolific author who's written so many books about the Montauk Project.
	And our buddy Greg Hallett, who was recently kicked out of New Zealand for his various immersive and heroic activities.
	And now he's transmitting from a very cold place.
	Oh my goodness, you're not even smoking.
	That is actual mist coming out from, I feel so bad for you, man.
	I want you to turn your heater on.
	Oh, no, you are smoking.
	Okay, all right.
	I thought it was so cold there.
	You look like Hemingway in a prison camp, but it's all good.
	Peter Moon, we were just talking to offline here.
	And of course, Peter, you know, again, having been friends with Al Belick since 88, 89 or so, and having Al predict a lot of things that happen in the, you know, that were happening in the future.
	And give me your take on 2012.
	You know, all of these people, and, you know, what do you think happens after 2012?
	That was one of the more interesting things that I felt about the Bill Wood interview was, again, that no matter what they did to mess with the timeline, there seems to, even though time is sort of fan-shaped, that everything comes together into this one rope of time, into this one, it's like a tapestry of suddenly everything falls into this main groove that no matter how many times they alter the timeline.
	And one of the things that Wood was saying was that what happens after 2012 apparently scares the living, you know, jumping Jesus out of everybody in charge.
	Now, my book, Sands of Time, talks about how there's going to be some kind of alien invasion after 2012.
	Al Belick talked about an alien invasion after 2012.
	The Wingmakers talked about an alien invasion after 2012.
	The X-Files in their last episode talked about an alien invasion after 2011, interestingly enough.
	So before we get to my book, talking about Sands of Time, give me your take on that, Peter.
	Well, you know, 2012 to me is like Y2K.
	Nothing will happen.
	Nothing will happen in a certain way.
	In another way, it will happen.
	And I mean, I'm not discounting what you said about next week.
	This is a subject that Terence's work predicted.
	I know it through the work of Dr. David Anderson and the research that's going on in Romania right now, separate from David Anderson.
	Okay, but Peter, can you explain to the listeners who David Anderson is?
	Because he's actually really fascinating and pivotal to this discussion.
	Well, yes, he could fill in a lot of holes.
	And actually, I put it on my website.
	It might be on YouTube.
	The lectures he did on coast to coast or the talk goes into a great amount of detail on the advances in time technology.
	But the fact that he would be coming forward at this particular time with releasing information about time technology and actually experiencing when Joe was referring to the scientists at Livermore and whatnot, it's kind of they're like outside of the box looking in, and he's inside of the box, you know, looking at actual people that are experimenting with time.
	And he says in those Art Bell interviews that he's actually putting people into a time chamber.
	And one thing we know with David, if he's telling you something, it's much more advanced than what he's telling you because he has to keep his lips sealed to a certain extent.
	So Dr. David Anderson is somebody who's been researching time control technologies since at least the 90s.
	And it began in the Air Force, at least in the 80s, when he was doing trying to understand satellites and why they would drift out of several meters away from their orbit.
	And he created a space-time model and learned how to warp space and time, basically, to put it very simply.
	And the details of that were on his website, which has been shut down.
	I'm not even sure why it's shut down.
	I've written some very clear articles on it, which I will put up on my website, which you're not up at this time.
	So he's a fascinating character, and his stuff is all very hard science as far as you can follow it.
	I've only seen the time chamber on a video, but it does exist.
	And so, you know, Sean had asked me about 2012.
	Well, this is a convergence.
	It's an awareness of time.
	Earlier, you're talking about the left hemisphere and the right hemisphere.
	And this is, as Joe had pointed out to me in the work of Phil Dick, the corpus colossum is the middle, which represents the new eon.
	It's a letter, a Hebrew letter called Shin, which is a secret word in Freemasonry, but the synthesis of those two hemispheres.
	This is the time we're moving.
	And in the tarot card, the new eon by Lady Frida Harris and Alistair Crowley, it says Shin is the ruler of the new eon, which is the last judgment.
	This is a basic archetype.
	This is the return of the Christ, so to speak, archetypally.
	And we are in this time period when the redemption of souls, and that's the redemption through DNA.
	And DNA is a mimic of the tarot, the tree of life, and vice versa.
	So we are DNA.
	We are life, and it's just all this stuff becoming self-aware.
	If there's this theory in the I Ching, which also mimics DNA, saying this is an explosion of consciousness, it's all it is.
	And there'll be fallout, there'll be joy, there'll be all these wonderful things.
	And this is why we're able to sit and have this forum, which we wouldn't have had this forum 10, 20, 30 years ago.
	It's a time to be enlightened, if you will.
	I just want to throw something in real quick.
	Please.
	A little mytho-poetic interpretation of what Peter was just talking about.
	And to touch on something I've heard you say a few times in this conversation, Sean, if you go back and look at academic work, which is Julian James, wrote a book called The Origin of Consciousness through the Breakdown of the Bichemeral Mind.
	And in that, he proposes a theory that the corpus callisum, which separates the left and right hemisphere, wasn't always there.
	And this is why in the early days of mankind, you hear stories about voices being heard.
	And if you look at the Homeric tales, it was a very different kind of consciousness that we seem to have had as human beings at that time.
	And through the development of the corpus callisum, we've really got into this training wheel mode of division of left and right hemisphere.
	And through that, we've been deprived of some things, but I think we've also been forced to learn the complexities and subtleties of both sides of the brain and what they're capable of.
	And the reconvergence of the bifurcation of the time stream could be interpreted as the reconvergence of the left and right hemisphere through some sort of technology that bridges that corpus callisum and puts us back into touch with both left and right hemisphere synchronistically at all times.
	So, Joseph, a question.
	Do you think that the mythology of the serpent representing the limbic system in the Garden of Eden was the division of the right and left, the female and male sides completely?
	Exactly.
	I think that's one of the stories.
	I think the creation of the female from the male and all this kind of stuff and the division of the tetragrammaton, this all has to do with this emergence of a division in the mind or the brain that occurred thousands of years ago and we began to notice it.
	Because if you look at some of the things that are said, like I said, in the Homeric tales and some of the very early Sumerian tales, you know, there was a time where walking around and talking to God was an everyday occurrence.
	And if you see people doing that today, you know, what do you think?
	He's like, oh, that guy's crazy.
	But that's because we live in this artificially divided brain world, which also means that there's two different perceptions of time on the left and the right hemisphere.
	Yes.
	Quantum and quantum and linear, right?
	Exactly.
	So we have these two different divisions that we have to assimilate through the ego because we don't have any other way to do it.
	But if we are to rebridge that, and if Julian James is right, and the corpus callisum is a fairly recent development in the human brain, we did have the consciousness before where we were in touch with time and we had the concept of time as being more fan-like than linear.
	And I think we could move back to that with technology and maybe hopefully or, you know, I'm not going to say hopefully, maybe through the long-term use of that, we lose the atrophy and maybe the corpus callisum just goes away.
	Well, in the words of the greatest spiritual master to ever walk the earth, Elvis Presley, he said it all when he said, a hard-headed woman and a soft-hearted man, they've been causing trouble since the world began.
	Oh, yeah.
	So there it is.
	So there's the Garden of Eden.
	There's the serpent that divides the right and left-hand sides of the brain.
	Okay, well, let's talk about science and time.
	Okay, Sean, hold on one second, because Greg Hallett had something to say, I think, a ways back, and I wanted to give him a chance.
	We've got to give him some time on the air.
	Greg, go.
	Are you there?
	It's interesting, Peter, that you should bring up the shin.
	It's number is 21, and it's associated with prediction.
	And it's Magnetic phenomenon sufficiently dominated predictory tools.
	A crystal vase full of water serves exclusively to fix the magician's attention.
	The vision is performed by obscurity and fatigue of the optical nerve.
	Now, I've been working with the Sangriel, the tenant of the Jesus Maryland, for about two years.
	And we've just got to finish tying up our work, but it exactly ties in with the 2012 stuff.
	And we received this information in 1850.
	And we've only managed to just get some of it translated.
	And some of the ancient languages we're still getting translated.
	So the work that you're predicting is the work that I've been working on with the Sangriel.
	And we share the title, Marquis Sangriel.
	So that work is coming out, and your predictions about the Shin or the 21 or the Great Secret has been going on since the European wars with Napoleon.
	And the result of those European wars was some Portuguese governors.
	The effective Emperor of Europe then became the Duke of Wellington.
	And he was the godfather.
	He became as the effective emperor of Europe.
	He became a godfather to Sangriel.
	And that lineage has passed down.
	And I've been asked to, I've been adopted as a family and asked to work with them.
	And I've been working with them for the last two years.
	So you'll hear more on that later.
	Very interesting.
	Wow.
	Sean, I would like to go back into some of the stuff that your book is covering because you didn't really tell anything about your book all that much.
	And I wonder if you wouldn't mind kind of summarizing the story for the people.
	And let me give you a couple of treats here.
	We've got you can order the book by going to the website, which is strangeuniveradio.com, where you can get a lot of updates on the radio show and the schedule and whatever else.
	So that's strangeuniverse radio.com.
	For the books, I've got three books.
	I've got Black Seraph, Dark Prophet, and this is my third novel, Sands of Time.
	Also, let me just give you a quick timeline here of 2012 because the next major thing is we've got February 8th and 9th, which is basically the first big plateau of this year of the Time Wave Zero software, which is unusual.
	We've also got on May 20th, we've got the first, there's a solar eclipse that's occurring over that starts actually in Osaka, Japan, comes over the Pacific, and then moves across the face of the United States.
	It's the last eclipse, total solar eclipse that's going to be seen in North America until 2028.
	And we've got a big conference actually going on at Mount Shasta on May 18th, 19th, and 20th.
	And you can check that out on ShastaEclips2012.com.
	That's Shasta Eclipse 2012.
	We've got about 83 rooms there.
	This is going to be huge.
	The media is already talking about eclipse fever, that national media is going to be there, that it's going to be every bit as powerful as the harmonic convergence.
	And myself and Dr. Susan Chemski and Terry Cole Whitaker and Blue Thunder and Eric Berglund and some great people are going to be there.
	Hopefully Carrie's going to come up and talk to some people there.
	But anyway, it's the first time in 26,000 years approximately that the sun and the moon and the Pleiades are going to be in direct alignment.
	And so the Pleiades has always been the constellation of our evolution forward.
	The seven wise men, the seven sisters, the seven daughters of Atlas.
	Always alignments with the Pleiades have been the next quantum leap in our evolution.
	Then, 16 days later, and maybe we can get carry on this, because 16 days later, we have the Venus transit.
	And Venus transits across the face of the sun, affecting, once again, Europe and North America.
	And that is the last time Venus will transit the sun for another 171 years.
	Then you have a series of astronomical conjunctions that will repeat from the great crash of 1929.
	And those happened in late June through the first part of July.
	You also have the extending of what's called the Grand Cross of the Crucifixion of America at that time.
	And then you've also got another fantastically weird alignment on December 3rd of 2012.
	You have, for the first time in 10,000 years, and it doesn't happen again for 28,000 years, you're going to have an alignment of Mercury, Venus, Mercury, the planet of thought, Venus, the planet of love, and then Saturn, the planet of knowledge or wisdom, are going to align directly over the three pyramids of Giza in the exact position of Orion's belt.
	In other words, in the design of Orion's belt right over the pyramids of Giza.
	And that is exactly 25,960 minutes before the actual alignment of the sun with the center of the galaxy on December 21st of 2012.
	All right, we're going to be back with Strange Universe meeting up with Project Camelot, with Joseph Matheny, with Peter Moon, with Greg Hallitz, and the lovely Carrie Cassidy.
	And we'll be back in a few beats of your heart.
	Don't go away.
	What?
	What would you do?
	Okay.
	Hey guys, FYI, I have to jump at 9 o'clock, but I'm here till 9.
	Okay, all right.
	Okay, well, with that in mind, you know, and what we are doing here is we are going to go till 9, and that is our agreed-upon two-hour slot.
	After that, if anyone can remain long enough to take questions from the audience, I think it would be a great service to augment this with that.
	But it is up to you guys how you want to play that.
	I wish I could.
	I have prior commitments, but I wish I could tell everybody I'm sorry, but if they want to email me questions, they can go to my website, and I have a Hushmail account there that they can email me questions, and I always answer people when they email me.
	Okay, please give your website.
	Oh, okay.
	JosephMathini.com.
	It's real easy.
	Okay.
	Joseph, what do you think?
	Go ahead, Sean.
	What do you think is going to be the next?
	I mean, we're moving through.
	I think it's interesting because we've got Pluto moving through Capricorn, which is going to kind of tear apart the social systems and the banks.
	And, you know, it's what's really triggering a lot of the Occupy Wall Street stuff.
	We've got Uranus and Aries, which is another reason why you've got, you know, revolution.
	You know, what do we want?
	We don't know.
	When do we want it?
	We don't care.
	Because Uranus, which is the father of Saturn, Uranus is in Aries, and Saturn is in Elibra.
	So the father and son are fighting in this chaos, whereas Saturn wants justice, Uranus just wants Riots and revolutions, if you will.
	But by 2025, Pluto then moves into Aquarius.
	What do you think is going to be the next biggest?
	Because I see the internet as being the seventh chakra.
	I think there's like six planetary chakras that you have Lhasa, Tibet as the base root chakra, Cairo, Egypt as the prostatovarian chakra is the orange chakra.
	Stonehenge as the solar plexus.
	Machu Picchu as the heart.
	Los Angeles is the throat.
	And a place called Tenry City, which is a suburb of Osaka, Japan, is the third eye, which is really interesting because Ben Fulford is now claiming that this whole new Asian confederation of North and South Korea teaming up with Japan is going to have its capital actually in Tenry City, which is the third eye of the planet.
	But the seventh chakra, which connects everybody, the mental chakra, the violet chakra, if you will, is the internet that connects everybody together.
	What do you see as the next biggest advance in computer technology?
	Is it a war between people that get wetwired directly into this stuff, as opposed to people with iPads and whatever else?
	What do you see as being you know, I know a lot of people from the former ex-Tropian movement and a lot of people that are in the uh kind of the singularity transhumanist movement, and I have a lot of conversations with this people and Ray Kurzweil.
	I'm part of a couple groups that he's in and these people are in.
	And I don't personally see it to be true, to be honest with you.
	I don't see the whole merging of humanity and technology as being the one only thing that's going to happen to us and it's the next step of evolution.
	I think it's going to be a choice.
	I do see that happening, and I don't think it's the wrong choice or the right choice.
	It has to do with who the person is.
	I think that there will be a backlash that's coming if you read Douglas Rushkoff's new book, Programmer Be Programmed.
	He sees it.
	I see it.
	Doug's a friend.
	It's something that's happening where there's people like me who have been around since the inception of the internet, who was an early proponent on the well and Mondo 2000 and that whole scene.
	Starting to have a backlash against the internet.
	I'm not saying I'm becoming a Luddite, but I am starting to partition my life more away from the Internet and away from the always-on kind of culture and get back to organics and back to being a human being and face-to-face interaction because there's so much that's lost with a lot of this stuff on the internet.
	And again, I'm not being a Luddite here, but I think the division is going to be between those that buy into the transhumanist vision completely and those that don't.
	Before that.
	Well, actually, I like to talk about robotic humans versus angelic humans.
	Okay, well, we got 20 minutes here, so we've got to talk a little bit about sans, and then we're going to be.
	Yeah, so many people are there Skyping and going, I'm sick of computers in the internet.
	All right, here we go.
	We're coming back.
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	Okay, Sean, you are a riot.
	I swear to God.
	I want fun to be around.
	No, you really are.
	Just a laugh a minute.
	Basically, I just wanted to say, bouncing off of what Joseph Matheni was talking about and what he was sort of instinctually feeling, which I think is really awesome, actually.
	Kudos to you, Joseph.
	Basically, that there is a sort of, if you will, is kind of a split in the path.
	And that has to do with a very Camelot-like sort of playing field, which has to do with black projects that have chosen to go down the road of the robotic human.
	And that is a sort of a merging of the technology and human and human-ness, so to speak.
	And what you get from that is kind of a robotic human.
	Out of that, the other side of that coin is the angelic human, which is allowed to, and it has to do with questions that involve human sovereignty on the planet.
	And that's where the ET and the off-world visitors come in and why that might be a whole dilemma as to what they think they want for our futures versus what we want.
	And also understanding what it means to be human and what this, the fact that we are actually time travelers, that's the nature of the human, and that we are a composite of many different ET races.
	And that means that our powers and our potentialities are almost unlimited, and that we are a hybrid race and a grand experiment.
	And what we're coming up upon is a type of convergence that will allow us to embrace a lot of the parts of ourselves that we have compartmentalized, take down those walls between the parts.
	And so I just wanted to address that really briefly.
	But let's talk a little bit about your book now, Sean, because in a certain sense, your book was the inspiration for this conference, but we haven't really gone down that road.
	Okay, well, the great thing about Stands of Time is that everybody that's read it has just been really taken by it.
	It's become this kind of cult classic.
	So it's been great.
	I just want to say thank you to everybody out there for all the reviews.
	And it allowed me to be able to use my writing skills and abilities to be able to novelize something that was a fantastic true story.
	And it's the true story of Dr. Ted Humphrey, who at 17 years old, growing up in Barstow, California, his father, who had been Ted Humphrey Sr., who had been involved in a number of top secret projects, suddenly mysteriously disappears and basically leaves him a note that says, here's your acceptance to USC.
	Your college is paid for.
	Sell the house.
	Keep the money.
	Move in with your uncle.
	I'm sorry, I can't be there for you.
	And vanishes into the desert for all intents and purposes.
	So it's very much the personal story of Ted Humphrey getting involved in all of these top secret government projects to, in essence, find out what happened to his father.
	He graduates from USC, he goes to Caltech, he comes up with a fantastic rocket formula that then gets classified.
	But all through his experiences, he realizes that every time he comes to a block, a point in time where he's stuck, he gets help from further down the timeline.
	These mysterious people appear that seem to be traveling backwards from a particular timeline.
	And then this draws him into being taken in to the highest echelons of what we would call sort of the black government or the black ops world.
	He's taken out to an island in the Arctic Circle where he then is to interact and get information out of Uben Gruben Fuhrer Hans Kommler.
	And Hans Komler, for all intents and purposes, was the Vannevar Bush of the Nazis, or the John Van Neumann of the Nazis.
	He was the guy that worked on the Nazi Bell.
	He was the one that put together the concentration camp paraphernalia.
	He had about 14 million people enslaved under him at one point.
	He was the biggest boss outside of Germany.
	And he vanishes completely just into space sometime in April of 1945.
	Ted is actually sent there to interrogate Kommler to get a series of equations from him.
	And one of the things that he learned, and this is from a white paper about Project Rainbow, is that when Project Rainbow was going on, which later became known as the Philadelphia Experiment, one of the things that the secret government became aware of was that between the disastrous experiments with the USS Eldridge and between the Diglock or the clock or the Nazi bell, as it was called with Kommler, is that they were doing primarily gravity experiments at first.
	And of course, the Eldridge started out as a simple radar invisibility experiment.
	And then they began to realize that they were tearing these gigantic holes in the space-time continuum.
	So these two huge holes in the fence that seem to have been protecting Earth.
	And you go all the way back to the book of Enoch when the fallen angels come down and somebody puts this fence around the planet to protect us from some very evil, nasty things out there.
	Well, lo and behold, we come along with this technology.
	The Nazis ripped this gigantic hole in the space-time continuum.
	It is interesting to me that in the white paper that's presented in this book about Project Rainbow, that there was a group that seemed to be telling some of the smartest people on Earth, like Vannevar Bush and John Van Euman.
	And he claims also in the book, Ted claims that Nikolai Tesla's death was in fact faked, and they put a doppelganger in his place.
	And so the doppelganger died on January 7th, 1943 at the New Yorker Hotel.
	But the Tesla continued to work on these top secret programs along with Einstein and everybody else.
	But that this K group seemed to be a group that was pressuring these people to perform the experiment on August 12th of 1943.
	Now, and that supposedly the Eldridge, that on that date it was a biorhythmic low point for the planet.
	When kind of the time-space continuum was kind of crumpled into a ball, and then we eldred shot through it like a bullet, it ripped open all these holes in the space-time continuum.
	Now, talking about this, specifically with Al Bielik, in 2003, I wrote an article where in talking to Al, he said you can watch something weird's going to happen on August 12th.
	If the Philadelphia experiment is real, the USS Eldridge slammed against this wall, if you will, in 1943 and went into the future into 2003, slams into this wall where the rubber band, if you will, snaps it back, but creates this gigantic disturbance in the space-time continuum on August 12th of 2003, and then snaps back to 1943.
	So three months before this happened, I write an article in my Delphi Associates newsletter saying, well, watch for some kind of massive electromagnetic experience and possibly blackouts and all kinds of power problems on the East Coast.
	Lo and behold, August 12th of 2003 comes along, and you have right on schedule the New York blackout, where New York is blacked out for three days, Ohio goes out, the entire East Coast goes out.
	There's areas on the East Coast that don't even get power for another 28 days or so.
	So as Ted Humphrey progresses through all of these top secret programs, the programs themselves are designed to not only develop what they call time runner technology or a personal man-portable time unit,
	but you discover that teleportation, that as they start studying teleportation, which is a lot of what they were doing at Montauk, they had this beast at Montauk that they were actually taking capsules and teleporting these capsules into the heart of Russian nuclear blasts so that they could then study time dilation Inside of nuclear explosions, which actually also rip holes in the space-time continuum.
	But as this progresses on, he then gets sucked into Area 51, where they figures out how to work the saucers at Area 51, realizing that the ships themselves, that all of these UFOs are basically not only, I guess you'd say, space machines, but also time machines as well, that they all travel in space as well as time.
	And as they progress, it's him moving up the ladder of these top secret organizations.
	And it's his experiences at first off at Area 51 or 5-1.
	Okay, but don't give it away completely, okay?
	Because it also explains the Dulce War and why they went to war at Dulce and what was actually going on there.
	So this is an eyewitness account of a person who's been on the other side of the looking glass that has an entirely different philosophy of this, showing that they're in this desperate race against time.
	That one of the things that's going to happen in 2012 is that certain alignments occur that he felt that the planet was in great danger and that there was actually something very dire and something very nasty that was on its way here.
	And that after the alignments of 2012 occur, that it makes it easier for whatever is out there to get here.
	Now, Sands of Time was lining up with everything that Al Bielick was talking about, about a possible invasion of the planet by the Alpha Draconians.
	But you then also begin to realize that we're in this area of space that seems to have a group of watchers or observers that make sure certain cosmic rules are obeyed, certain laws of conquest, that there has to be kind of a battle for the hearts and minds of the planet first before anything else, before anything else occurs.
	So, you know, the difficulty in explaining the book is it's 40 years in his life from going when he's a teenager in Barstow to trying to solve the mystery of his father's murder or his father's disappearance to then developing time travel to them being kicked out of this entire program altogether, then being brought back in, and his interactions with various presidents like Reagan and Carter and that are all kind of happening in the background where you realize that it's all a puppet show.
	All the public stuff that they did with Clinton and Reagan and Carter is just like, oh, really?
	That's going on?
	Huh?
	Well, you know, when was the last time I voted?
	1960?
	And these guys are so far and above it of what they know.
	Okay, well, we're coming to the end of the radio show part.
	So you want to say some closing remarks while this music goes on, Sean?
	I'll just, I will, I will stick around.
	I just want to say thank you so much to Carrie Cassidy, Joseph Metheny, Peter Moon, Greg Hallett.
	Our revels now are ended.
	These are actors, as I foretold you.
	They're all spirits that are melted into air and into thin air.
	And like the baseless fabric of this vision, the cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, the solemn temples, the great globe itself.
	Yea, all which inherit it shall dissolve.
	And like this insubstantial pageant faded, leave not a rack behind.
	We are such stuff as dreams are made of, and our little lives are rounded with a sleep.
	Sleep type strangers.
	Thanks for being here.
	Stay strange.
	Thanks so much, you guys.
	Thank you for going ahead, and we'll leave you guys to continue.
	Thank you so much.
	Okay, I want to say, I know Joseph has to leave.
	Joseph, thank you so much.
	I'm so excited about reading your book and getting to know you better and hoping to having you on Strange Universe pretty soon.
	Cool.
	Yeah, we'll probably have you over to our show, too.
	I do a couple shows on the podcast network that I own, and I was going to say something, and I forgot we're still public.
	We're being picked up by a major.
	That's all I'll say for now.
	Yeah, and I want to say, are you going to leave right now, Joseph Metheny?
	I just want to say a couple very quick things.
	That Joseph Matheny and I actually wrote a screenplay pitch treatment based on the Montauk monster.
	And we worked with Peter Moon on that.
	And we actually were going to take that and approach some movie studios to get that made.
	And I don't know if it's ever gone anywhere since then, but I just went.
	Somewhere last night.
	Okay, well, let me just...
	Well, that's very interesting and bizarre.
	I want to say that was long before the days of Camelot.
	So it's just really very cool.
	And I do also want to say that Joseph Matheny has also been very involved in writing, I believe, a screenplay based on the life of Jack Parsons.
	Correct?
	Oh, Sex and Rockets.
	Actually, it's just a piece of that story.
	It just specifically focuses on the events around the Babylon working.
	And I call it the strangest buddy movie ever made.
	It's called Ron and Jack.
	And it's about Hubbard and Parsons and the whole thing that went on around the Babylon working.
	And it's more of a kind of a psychological examination of what those two were going through.
	And then, you know, based on what they did, both of them, what they did afterwards, you know, whether you, whatever, however you look at it, I mean, Parsons was involved with the founding of JPL and Hubbard did found the Church of Scientology and Dianetics for whatever that's worth.
	It was big.
	And so I think that it was two guys that collided and then went off in different vectors and did like these great big things in the universe.
	And so I always found that as like an interesting focal point that I wanted to write kind of a buddy movie about.
	So it's kind of an art house film.
	That's still floating around.
	There's people that are interested in that, Carrie.
	But honestly, and I can tell you about it in about a week or two, but as of last night, that idea that you and I did was put in the hands of somebody who was looking for something.
	And it's not some dude on a street corner.
	It's like somebody who's actually connected.
	Awesome.
	Well, there you go.
	Synchronicity, as they say.
	Okay, well, thank you so much, Joseph Matheny.
	It's been awesome having you on the show.
	I'm assuming that Peter Moon is going to stay with us a little longer.
	Haven't heard anything.
	I could be with you for 15 or 20 minutes.
	I'm a little late by the way.
	Yeah, you are.
	Okay.
	Can I leave you all with a very simple thought?
	Peter's heard me say this before.
	I say to a lot of people, but the truth is often complex to get to and simple when you get there.
	And this is just an idea.
	I'm not saying it's the truth.
	But 2012, you know, the whole thing we talk about tonight, Time Wave Zero, 2012, time travel.
	I've often said, and I still believe this, it could be as simple as this.
	This year, we actually have definitive proof that time travel is possible.
	And when we do that, if you think about how time controls us on a day-to-day basis, both consciously and subconsciously, when we realize that time is truly plastic and accessible and non-linear, what that does to human consciousness could be the 2012 event.
	It could be that simple.
	Yay.
	Awesome.
	Thank you so much.
	Thanks for having me on.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Joseph.
	It's an honor to bask in the warm glow of your sunny personality.
	Thank you.
	You too, Sean.
	Bye-bye.
	Okay.
	Awesome.
	Any questions?
	People have questions?
	People have questions, I assume, in the chat.
	And we will.
	Peter Moon and Greg Hallett, you've been very patient over there, and I thank you for joining us.
	I don't know how late it is.
	I don't even know if the time even falls.
	Thank you so much, Greg.
	It's 6 in the morning.
	Where were he?
	It's midnight here.
	Good morning, yeah.
	Okay, all right.
	Credible.
	It's midnight in New York.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, Peter, let's see.
	Peter Moon, you want to say some words before you depart?
	Yeah, I'll say that what Sean was talking about, Al Bilick predicting the blackout, he actually predicted it would be between the 10th and the 14th.
	The biorhythm runs between the 10th and the 14th.
	Of August, right?
	Of August, right?
	Yes, yes, yes.
	It occurred on the 14th, the epicenter of which the blackout was Preston Nichols' new home in Cairo, New York.
	But it was.
	It's the same time this was occurring.
	And this was where all the focus of my work has gone for the last five or so years: was in Romania, in the Bucheggi Mountains of Romania.
	There was an in August of 2003, this was the great 20-year biorhythm we were all waiting for at Montauk.
	There was a blackout in New York, yes.
	There was also a discovery of the breaching, it had been discovered through ground-penetrating radar of a chamber underneath the Romanian Sphinx.
	There's a Sphinx in Romania, and I've written about it in a book called Transylvanian Sunrise, where there was a chamber underneath there with technology that was future technology, but it was like 50,000 years old with samples of stuff that could read out your DNA.
	If you put your hand over it, these things were over six feet high tables for big beings, and you could put your hand over it and it would read out your DNA in holographic form.
	Holographic technology was discovered or was there.
	It wasn't discovered.
	Yeah.
	And then you have three tunnels in there, and you have a projection hole which gives you the history of the earth.
	So you have a lot of future technology, and this is a story that's been evolving for the last 10 years.
	And even beginning to inter I'm beginning to interface with it personally on a very personal level with the characters in this.
	So this is what I've been up to.
	But that, so you know, everything that I've done since I've been investigating time for 20 years now, which correlates with all the other things that have been being said here from the Ong's Hat scenario and all of the fascinating characters Joseph has been involved with, and so much of the really neat occult stuff, you know, he didn't get into, we can't really get into so easily.
	And the stuff Sean is talking about, it's all reaching a critical mass.
	It's reaching a critical mass, and the more what you call poker chips you put in the pot, the ante keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
	And I think this is the real point of what we've been discussing here tonight.
	And you can discuss it from many viewpoints of different poker players.
	And, you know, whether the information is partially right or very much right or totally right, this is the new game that's being played.
	Time, and as it goes, when you get on the David Anderson side of life and some of the characters I've corresponded with in Romania, they're playing the game already.
	And as are the secret government people Sean was talking about or you guys were discussing, it's, you know, it's humanity's the one that's not clued in.
	That's basically what I have to say.
	I do have a website where you can access the books that I've written in www.digitalmontalk.com.
	Anybody who's interested, there's a blog there.
	And the David Anderson interviews are accessible there.
	The YouTube links are there.
	Wonderful.
	Thank you so much, Peter Moon, for joining us.
	It's been a delight to have you here.
	And it would be lovely to have you on my radio show.
	In fact, all of you, every single one of you, to have you on my American Freedom Radio show that is on Wednesday nights.
	I have dates open after April, and so you're invited to be my guest.
	I'd love to talk about more of this.
	This is a very interesting saga, and it's been great to have you and your great, keen intellect joining us.
	And we really grazed the tip of the iceberg with you and with everything that you've been involved in.
	Yeah, well, it's like I can talk for 10 hours and my phone will run drive.
	I mean, with the amount of information.
	So, yeah, it was fascinating to be here.
	I've learned a few things.
	I wish I had more time to follow up some of these leaves, but I'm embedded in the third book, which is Mystery of Egypt, which is about one of these tunnels that goes underneath the Giza Plateau, which had a lot to do with those riots in Egypt last year, whereby they found out that those Egyptian government found out that the Romanians and the Americans were digging under, or had a tunnel underneath the Giza Plateau.
	And that's why Zahia Was was appointed the deputy minister, because he's the archaeologist.
	He's not a politician.
	So there was a lot of weird infighting between Egypt and America over that issue.
	But that's what I'm working on now.
	It doesn't leave me much time to pursue, to study Project Camelot, to study that Project Looking Glass.
	There's too much information in the world.
	We'll have to have that supercomputer brain before we can assimilate it all.
	But I thank you for having me.
	I will follow up for an April date with you.
	Great.
	Fascinating.
	I'm very happy to hear you're following up the situation over in Egypt.
	I've been following that myself and interviewing people for a while in that regard.
	So I'll be very interested to hear what you come up with.
	Okay, well, thank you for having me.
	And I enjoy the rest of the show.
	I'd stay on if it wasn't so late.
	Okay, take care.
	Thank you, Kerry.
	Thank you very much, Sean.
	It was great chatting with you.
	Thank you, sir.
	Yeah, bye.
	A couple interesting things, Kerry, that I just wanted to add here is that, first off, let me give a shout out to my buddy Petar in Bulgaria.
	It's Lambda's one-year-old birthday, so happy birthday.
	It's also rare, too.
	We have these fascinating astrological alignments because Neptune rules the sign of Pisces.
	So it's really a lot of fun when you have Saturn, when you have Saturn exalted in Libra, when you have Uranus, which is the planet of basically chaos and shock in Aries, which is the planet of war and revolution.
	But you have Neptune in Pisces.
	And Neptune rules Pisces, which is the planet of dreams, the manifestation of the dream states.
	And the last time Neptune was in Pisces was 1847 to 1861, which of course was not only the lead up to the civil war in the United States, but also that period of time created major religions like the Seventh-day Adventists, the Seventh-day Adventists, the Millerites, the Mormons, the Fox sisters who began spiritualism at that time.
	So now here we have Neptune going through Pisces between 2011 and 2026.
	And it temporarily returns August 4th until today.
	So actually, Neptune's moving into Pisces, and it won't be a Pisces again until 2175.
	So a lot of really interesting things going on.
	There's a huge planetary alignment that's also happening on February 6th, 7th, and 8th next week, which is what the Time Wave Zero software is saying: this plateau.
	So, you have these two really powerful alignments that are involving the Earth, the Sun, and Mercury, and Mars, the Earth, Venus, and Uranus, as well as some significant astrological aspects involving the moon, which could represent a 7.3-magnitude earthquake on one of those days.
	So, here's a prediction for you: February 6th, 7th, and 8th on those days.
	We're going to see at least above a 7 earthquake.
	I don't think it's going to be in the United States, but it could be a little bit further south of the border in Mexico or the upper part of South America.
	So, there's a really good website for this.
	If you go to solarwatcher.net, solarwatcher.net has a really, really interesting site there where there's a lot of things that talk about the solar cycles of the sun and how they're all triggered.
	So, there you go.
	So, there's some stuff for you.
	Okay, very good.
	Greg Hallett, since you've been with us, and I can't even imagine the time over there.
	Do you want to say a few last words or do you want to stay with us for the question, the QA that we might try to answer some questions?
	Go ahead.
	Sorry, yeah.
	It's just after 6 a.m. here, and strangely, I'm still awake on no coffee and no sleep.
	I'm now living in Europe, having been kicked out of New Zealand.
	So I'm now on theworldoftruth.net.
	And we're actually bringing out some work which is in complete alignment with what you've been saying.
	And it includes photographs, 160-year-old letters from royals and royal marks.
	And in the codes that were given to us in paintings, which are actually mathematical codes in miniature, it predicts this time of 2012 as being the time when this information would come out.
	And it is a shim, as you say, and it is a 21.
	It is the ultimate secret knowledge that is a lot of it is the primary motivator of a lot of history in Europe that has happened over the last 190 years that have been preparing for this, actually since about 1780.
	And that is all decodified in history.
	So it'll be interesting when I can present that actually with histories, people's histories, meetings, photographs, letters from royals, royal marks, swords of kings, rings, queens, stamps of the Duke of Wellington, Napoleons.
	It's actually the stamp of Napoleon.
	So, yeah, I've got no problem with all of this.
	And I think that maybe a model of time would be the time to spiral, and it loops about every 60 to 80 years.
	And there is an interface between those generations of time.
	And I think that maybe that spiral, imagine like a car spring, but that spiral is collapsing into a flat zone and then in 2012 and then spreading out from there.
	And it's up to us where we take that spread from the history contained within that spiral.
	Very interesting.
	Sean, are you there?
	Yeah, Mir.
	Okay, do you have anything to say about that?
	Very interesting.
	Okay, well I don't think we could argue with it.
	I think that that's a good description or a model for what may be happening in 2012 and beyond.
	Greg, just one last question for you.
	Are you aware of anything that's going on with to do with CERN and how that might be another?
	In Switzerland.
	Yeah.
	Whether they've actually done it or not, or whether they've just reported that done it, I don't know anymore.
	I don't know anymore.
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	Well, because I'm concerned.
	Have you heard of a staircase going from Germany?
	I know this sounds wild, but Germany to the moon.
	A staircase.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I see what you're saying.
	I have heard of that, but only on the internet.
	Okay.
	So I've got a lot of things.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, I'm not sort of seen an alien put it that way.
	But have you guys ever heard of body jumping?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	You have?
	What?
	Yes.
	So, Sean, can you tell me what you've heard about body jumping?
	Kind of a sort of a form of possession, really.
	It's, as far as I know, it's sort of literally exactly what it says, kind of jumping down submitting somebody else's consciousness and sort of jumping down somebody else's throat and kind of taking over their body for a period of time.
	If that's what you're talking about.
	Yeah, and I was just wondering if anyone else had heard of it.
	It just seemed to be a method of altering history when needed, and it can be done in the most subtle and subtle way without any sort of demonic stuff.
	Well, there is the philosophy that in remote viewing that you can actually communicate with yourself down your own timeline.
	In other words, communicate with yourself in the past and try to change personal things going on in the future.
	It's once again the opinion as to whether or not time can be changed.
	And there is the possibility they can be changed on a quinta level, but not a quantum level.
	That on a quantum level, you need, again, sort of like taking off the capstone of a pyramid and expecting the pyramid to disappear.
	If we were to go back in time and kill Hitler, somebody worse would just take his place, would just fill into that nature of time.
	And it's the quantum of consciousness that creates the wave of time.
	And so you have to go out into the ocean and find all the various influences that stop the wave or hit the wave with an equal and opposite wave.
	So if we go back in time and kill Hitler, somebody else just takes his place.
	But if we take a million people back in time and all those people realize that Hitler's going to be a bad guy, you're then creating the equal and opposite consciousness that then moves against it.
	That's another reason why prophecy works the way it does, is that you'll have a prophet make a prediction where the first one's true, the second one's true, the third one's true, and then more and more people hear it, and then he makes a big prediction.
	Oh, California is going to fall in the ocean.
	And by this time, enough people become aware of it that they create the inequal and opposite wave, which actually then stops the prophecy.
	Very good.
	Well, go ahead.
	There was the Freiburg UFO crash in 1936.
	And very like around that time, Hitler had a Gau, which is area, Gau Doppelganger competition all around Germany for himself.
	And from that, he selected about 18 body doubles.
	So if the UFOs are anti-creativity, but they're also time-warp machines, maybe they got some of that technology when they took the UFO back to the SS Falversburg.
	Waldersburg, Faldersburg Castle.
	And they may have had that knowledge in order to create all the body doubles.
	So he wouldn't be subject to time interference.
	And that would put the German 11 years ahead of the Americans in terms of deconstructing UFO technology and back engineering it, which then leads to the question: did the Germans lose the war?
	Did the Americans win the war, but it was so desolate that the Third Reich was extracted to America and became the Fourth Reich in exchange for all of that advanced technology.
	So, and Hitler's role was actually as a British agent to destroy Germany and to destroy the German military infrastructure.
	So, you've got these double things happening where Hitler was a British agent trained in England February to November 1912 in the Tavistock.
	So, he was well up on mind control, which was about 500 years of Navy intelligence.
	And then, Himmler gets the UFO landed on his lap in 1936 in Freiburg, and then it's taken up on a straight ley line to Faldersburg Castle.
	And then they delve to that with an occult background.
	And at the same time, they were looking for the Holy Grail, which they completely failed at because it's not something you bomb a country for, it's something that you draw out, which is why it's taken another 80 or 90 years.
	Well, the biggest questions also, and this is part of what we answer in what I answer in Sans of Time, is primarily because of the hubris of Hans Kammler, who was working on the top secret projects.
	Hitler entered the war too early.
	That if Hitler had waited six months or even three years, because they were originally planning on basically doing whatever it is they were going to do somewhere around 1941 or so, but it was because of Kammler convincing Hitler that with these new super weapons that they were going to be invincible that Hitler entered the war too soon.
	And actually, book what I'm working on, the rest of the manuscript for book two, has a lot to do with answering the question as to why Hitler entered the war as early as he did, why he went into Poland when he did.
	But also, you know, the ultimate question of the 20th century that nobody seems to ask is how the hell did the Germans from about 1915, 16, 17 or so go from basically the most advanced technology on the planet being sopped with camels and biplanes to within less than 10 years building UFOs to actually having implosion drives, anti-gravity engines, mercury drives, time travel for all intents and purposes.
	What the hell?
	How did that happen?
	And it can all be traced back to Maria Orsich and the Vrill Damon or the Vrill Society that then teams up with the Thule Gellenstadt that then Rudolf Hess becomes a fan of.
	And these absolutely beautiful women, these five women, Maria Orsich and Sigrund, who is the more famous one, they grew their hair fantastically long.
	They used to post nude in their posters for the Vrill Damon.
	And they were all channeling, they claimed, beings from Aldebaran.
	And that these Aldebaranians were giving Maria Orsich tablets in Sumerian that were actually describing, because then these scientists began to come when Rudolf Hess got interested, began to come in these salons.
	And eventually Hitler, who got enamored with these girls, then becomes Chancellor of Germany in 1932 and then throws the entire weight, might, power, and financial resources of the Third Reich behind everything these women want to do.
	Now, there's a question as to whether or not they actually build a Hanabu or a Vrill craft that's about 100 meters across.
	And then supposedly the story goes they send it through a they send it to Aldebaran and the thing comes back looking like it's aged 100 years and everybody's dead on it.
	But all these women, these Vril Domin, also disappear along with Hans Kamler right in 1945.
	So there's a whole extraterrestrial occult aspect to the Third Reich that you know, or the flying saucers of the Third Reich, just from the technical aspect, when we captured Germany, we had to rewrite our technical manuals.
	We had to put almost 750,000 new words into our technical manuals because before 1945, they invented the SST supersonic transports, the 747, the YF-27 Blackbird, the stealth bomber, radar-resistant paint, intercontinental ballistic missiles, and for all intents and purposes, quite possibly the atomic bomb, which Hitler apparently never used.
	And it is interesting because what you're saying is that the body of evidence that I can see is that Hitler quite possibly was the illegitimate grandson or the illegitimate son of Baron Rothschild because his mother actually worked as a maid in the Rothschild household, and that he was taking them to the women.
	And then he wrote Mein Kampf on the typewriter of Baron Rothschild, and he was the guy when they signed the Treaty of Versailles when Max and Paul Warburg sat on either side of the table.
	Max was for the Germans and Paul was for the Allies.
	And they pounded out the Treaty of Versailles.
	The Treaty of Versailles created Hitler.
	So why not have their boy step into this and do what he was going to do, which is also described in Sands of Time as to why Hans, you know, about what Hans Kommler did and how he, you know, who's a real character in the book, and about how he developed the time travel and worked with Ted Humphrey's father and all that.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And that's all in the book.
	What's that?
	Let's open the book.
	And Kimmel developed time travel?
	Well, Hans Kammler was working on it at the time with another guy named Simon Raderman, who's a guy that comes out of it.
	But this was what he was working on something called the Nazi Bell.
	The Nazi Bell was also called the Die Glock.
	So when Hans Kamler left in April 1945, did he return?
	No, he was captured, basically, and taken to a base in the Arctic Circle off the coast of Norway, where, for all intents and purposes, for about the next 20 years, he worked.
	Once again, when you get to this upper echelon, you're talking about the, you know, even though it was during the Cold War, you're talking about the Russians and the Americans all kind of working together.
	And Kommler was very, Kamler was very cagey because the biggest thing they wanted to know was how the hell did they close the holes in the time-space continuum to keep this stuff oozing in?
	And Kommler seemed to know how to do it, but he was just piecemailing it out just to keep himself alive.
	He would just give him enough stuff.
	He would give him some beads and literally some trinkets here and there.
	And when Humphrey got there, because his father had worked with Kommler after the war, it was his job because he knew enough about physics and about the real equations to be able to basically put the screws to Kommler.
	But after he got what he got and after he escaped from the base, the entire Komler was killed in 63, I think it was, because the Russians actually, when Ted Humphrey went in, they blew the base up.
	They basically just blew up one of their own submarines and nuked it.
	So it's a very exciting sequence in there, but that's how Hans Kommler left this earth, basically deciding this is how he was going to go out rather than some other way.
	Any questions, Gary?
	I've got a point of name.
	British submarines were going up there during the Cold War and having secret meetings.
	Yeah.
	It was called Mount Grace.
	Mount Grace is one of the things that we're going to do.
	Well, actually, what I'd like to do, just, I mean, we do need to wrap this up at some point here, but I'd like to just cap this all off with the whole idea of with CERN and with the notion of blank slate technology,
	Sean, and that idea that not only were they working with time travel, but the idea of taking the Earth and putting the Earth itself into a sort of a hidden time envelope or something of that nature to where it steps,
	the Earth itself is moved out of time, you know, and so that the ships that are en route to Earth, which is sort of the premise of the Wingmakers, are not able to find it.
	Well, that was the Wingmakers, the whole conceit of the Wingmakers was that you had Jameson Naruta who was brought in to study this time sond that was found in Chaco Canyon.
	And the only reason he was brought in was because he was primarily an expert in Mesoamerican cultures, and they found this anomaly in Chaco Canyon.
	Well, the whole Anastasi are another one of these weird historical anomalies.
	And I'm actually on like five episodes of this season's Ancient Aliens talking about a lot of this stuff because you have these civilizations that just appear about the middle of the 7th century and then they last for about 160, 170 years or so.
	And then they just all vanish towards the end of the 8th century.
	But in that period of time, you have Chaco Canyon, you have Chitsunitsa, you have these dazzling Mesoamerican pyramids that all just kind of appear.
	Now, Jameson Naruto comes in, studies this time sond, which they think is extraterrestrial.
	When they manage to crack it open, they realize that it's actually the beings that built the Anasazi and that entire civilization at Chaco Canyon were in fact us from the future, from the 29th century.
	And the reason they were called the Wingmakers is because they operated on a 12-shocker energy system that had what looked like a wing energy that came out of the back.
	And so it was like us in the future, except operating on 12 cylinders instead of the seven cylinders that we use here.
	So the challenge for Naruto was, is that there were supposed to be seven of these time songs that were hidden at these sacred sites around the planet.
	And there were two ways of looking at this.
	One was that they were in this race against time to find the time songs, that if they could find them and crack them in sequence, if you will, that it would create an ascension wave that for all intents and purposes would raise the consciousness of the vibratory frequency of the Earth so that it would sour the milk, if you will, that it would make it impossible for whatever was coming towards us.
	Once again, the Alpha Draconians, that whatever was coming towards us, it would make it impossible for them to defeat us or for them to take us over, for them to enslave us because of this advanced state of consciousness that we would reach.
	On the other hand, you had 15, who was the head of the ACIO, the Advanced Contact Intelligence Organization, who was working on, and it was just his code name, it was 15.
	His name was mentioned somewhere, but I forget it.
	But 15 was saying, no, we don't want the ascension of humanity.
	We don't want this raising of consciousness.
	It means we would lose control of the population.
	We would lose our grip on the throat of the people of the earth.
	And what he was working on was this blank slate technology.
	And again, what I was describing is that time is a wave of consciousness that all of us create the quantum wave of time.
	You can't throw yourself into the wave of time.
	It's very much like jumping into the ocean on a beach.
	The wave's coming towards you.
	You smack into the wave.
	The wave just opens up.
	It opens up to let you through, then closes around you, and the wave then hits the shore.
	You have to hit that wave with an equal and opposite wave.
	Or, and this is what they were trying to do with blank slate technology, you have to go out into the ocean, and this is how difficult it is, and like find the bird and find the wind and find whatever else that starts this wave in the first place.
	So you have to stop all the various factors that have the wave hitting the shore, and you have to just remove that one butterfly that creates the disturbance of the force, if you will.
	And which is literally like, I mean, it's literally like taking a shot at hitting a bullseye on Mars from Earth, you know, with a shotgun.
	It's just crazy.
	And the blank slate technology specifically was: we want to find that one point in time where the eye of this alien species finds the Earth.
	And we want to sour the milk in such a way where we just remove that one point in time so that the eye, instead of seeing us and saying, oh, this looks interesting, moves away.
	And again, it has a lot to do with galaxy M51.
	That M51 is also known as the Lucifer Galaxy.
	That this was the one galaxy where a whole new life form that was based on silicon rather than carbon.
	And for all intents and purposes, it becomes very much like the Borg.
	It's unsuccessful.
	And they have to find storehouses of RNA and DNA, very much like the Earth, which makes us one of the most valuable planets in the galaxy.
	Well, but it's like that TV show with the androids.
	That basically told this story.
	Which TV show are the androids on?
	I forget which one it's called.
	Star Wars?
	No.
	Clone Wars?
	You're talking about Star Trek.
	You're talking about the Borg?
	No, no, I'm talking about the androids.
	Anyway, I forget the name of it.
	But the point being is that what you're talking about with the joining of the chakras on Earth is viewing Earth herself as a sort of being who has chakras, who would then go through a type of a kundalini or a unifying with the chakras, joining the chakras, and then, yes, going through a kind of ascension timeline.
	And that what is in a sense the kundalini of the earth is the consciousness of the earth, of the people and the planets, plants, and the animals all unified.
	And that is, it creates a sort of a plasma wave that then creates sort of an upliftment of the planet.
	It is very interesting, though, to look at the scenario that we have in front of us that indeed, possibly this is happening.
	And on the other hand, you have to also look at the situation with the underground bases and what they've been preparing for.
	And a lot of people think they've been preparing for Earth changes, etc., not realizing they could be preparing for a sort of invasion scenario.
	Yeah.
	And so this is, I'm not, we're not here answering those questions.
	I'm basically positing them.
	Well, that is the opinion that Ted Humphrey has in Sands of Time, that all these trillions of dollars that have been spent over all these years and all these black ops and programs and whatever else, he believes that the ultimate goal is the defense of the planet.
	And that's the reason we're developing teleportation, primarily teleportation, because we can then teleport gunships, you know, up into various parts of the solar system.
	But again, we also have, I mean, this is what I've seen.
	This is what I know.
	This is what I've seen with my own two eyes.
	If you go on our website, there's a little treat for everybody out there.
	I should have mentioned it before.
	But I hope Melissa's put this up.
	But on StrangeUniverseRadio.com, we actually have a little clip of the best and the brightest of what we've got in our fleet now, which is called the TR-3B Astra.
	And the Astra was photographed.
	And the only time you really ever get photographs of this stuff or film of this stuff is when it breaks.
	And when it sort of sort of, oh, be still, you.
	My cat wants to be on the radio.
	That stop it.
	And this thing breaks down in Paris, over the hills of Paris in 2008.
	And you actually see the time jump technology.
	You actually see what looks like a quantum field in the center of the ship as this thing sort of flutters around and then disappears.
	The other interesting part is that from 1991 to 1993, when I was out at Area 51 and I was going out there about every two weeks or so, we saw all kinds of saucers.
	We saw little ships, little saucers.
	But the one thing that we saw that was the biggest thing ever, and this was with my friend John Hadley, who is another one of my friends who got murdered, was that we saw a shuttle.
	We saw this gigantic shuttle that had a blunt shovel nose on it.
	This thing was like 1,600 feet from tip to tail, and it had all kinds of chase planes around it, and was causing these skyquakes coming in over Southern California.
	And again, something was wrong with the calibration of this thing, which is why it made this emergency landing or was making these landings at Area 51.
	And it was all over the news.
	I mean, they were joking about it, saying, well, these 3.5 skyquakes and something's coming in at Mach 25, and it's aligned on Southern California.
	And they said, Paul Moyer's on Channel 7, so it's landing at Area 51.
	And they go to Caltech, and Caltech says, well, we don't know what it is, but it's causing these skyquakes and those double sonic booms are coming in.
	And they believed that they were two objects traveling like Mach 25 coming in.
	And I'm telling you that it was one giant object because we saw it.
	It was black on the bottom, white on the top, big blunt shovel nose, looked like a flying wedge, and had kind of like these kind of weird jet engines, like kind of like the back of a Corvette almost.
	Well, we saw it years later.
	Actually, John calls me on the phone and said, hey, man, turn on the TV, and it was on the Discovery Channel, and it was the X. There's a prototype that they said it was the X60.
	And they said that this is the thing that's going to be flying in.
	They claimed that this thing was going to be flying between 2025 and 2030.
	And we saw it land.
	It actually came in the opposite way, came around Bald Mountain, came in from the north instead of the south, and then landed at 51.
	And that was the only time that the Wackenhunt guys ever actively chased us because we had a camera out there and we were trying to get film of it.
	And it was just so dark and so bleak.
	And it was the only time that we actually had to run from these guys because they started coming up out of nowhere.
	And they definitely wanted whatever the film was in our camera.
	But we managed to get away.
	So 10 years later, it was even more interesting because I went back 10 years later and I took my wife and she probably just thought I was nuts.
	And then we got stuck in the middle of this war game.
	And then she saw the ships for herselves, but the saucers were actually integrated in with helicopters and other sort of chase planes and whatever else.
	So, whatever had happened between 91, 92, 93, and about 2000, 2001 or so, was that now you'd have this saucer technology that seemed to have been actually integrated into what they call red flag operations out there.
	You know, all the stuff was flying right over our heads.
	It was interesting because we took some Canadian girls with us that we met up at the Little Alien, and they had these video cameras.
	The minute these war games started, there was this weird trilling sound that knocked out all the electronics so that we couldn't, you know, none of their cameras worked.
	And the minute we came off the hill and drove about four or five miles away from the base, the camera started working again.
	So, they, you know, they definitely figured that one out that they had jamming stuff and all that.
	But the amazing thing about Sands of Time is that it shows you not only Dulce, but it talks about Bremerton, which is the top-secret submarine base that they've got up there.
	You know, the underground rail system that was basically put together by, it was begun in the Eisenhower administration because, again, he wanted the American Audubon.
	He wanted a road system that could fight a war on two fronts between the Russians and the Chinese.
	He wanted a massive underground bases.
	Remember, we've been spending 50% of the federal budget on supposedly military programs.
	The budget of the Pentagon alone in a year is the equivalent to the budget of all 50 states combined.
	That's just the Pentagon for a year.
	So, we're spending 50 to 55 percent of the federal budget on nothing but this stuff.
	And I can tell you that the large majority of the state of Nevada is completely underground.
	I was in Kellogg, Idaho, and a friend of mine owns one of the largest mines, the Bunker Hill Mine, which mines lead, nickel, zinc.
	This thing's 110 stories down.
	And one of the things that I saw there was these gigantic wheels, these huge cogs.
	And we talked to people that manufactured these things.
	This was 10 years ago.
	And, you know, a friend of mine said, Man, you know, we work six days a week, and these guys are on 12, 14-hour ships, and you know, and all we're doing is making this gigantic mining equipment.
	And I said, Well, who are you making?
	He said, We don't even have to advertise.
	They just buy it from us and we make it.
	I said, Well, where does it go?
	And he said, It all goes to Australia.
	And I said, Why?
	And he says, They're building these gigantic mines, these huge underground bases in Australia, somewhere near.
	And he said, Someplace called Pine Gap or Alice.
	Yeah, right.
	But this is also.
	I mean, Greg probably knows a lot about this, but I have to say that that's also they consider Australia to be what they call the Ark.
	And, you know, they have been moving all kinds of stuff from the United States, supposedly, even in ships over there.
	Well, I can tell you again, from first-hand experience, from a person that was actually building the stuff there that was shipping to Australia.
	I mean, this is how you track this stuff.
	You find out where the money goes.
	You find out where the manufacturing goes.
	You look at the reports of the RAND Corporation, where they started out with nuclear drillers originally.
	Then they went to sonic drillers over a period of time, which now completely explains why you had the Taos hum and why you had these weird what they described as sort of dental drill bit sounds that were all going out because they'd gone to they'd gone from these atomic drillers that was drilling these gigantic holes and why why new mexico why colorado why arizona because you already have a massive cave system uh there underneath the the the rocky mountains uh which happened when the north american platelet
	actually slammed into the into the rocky mountain plate matter of fact just north of denver you have three mountain ranges you've got the sierras you've got the rocky mountains you've got the flathead mountains that all combine together and it's formed this massive cave system which is why they built crystal palace there which is why they've got NORAD actually underground there because all they're doing with Dulce as an example is that all they're doing is they're finding these massive cave systems, which they learned about from the Native Americans and just connecting them with tunnels.
	And then they kind of redecorate the inside and they've got massive holographic projectors so they can actually make the insides look like whatever they want to make it look like.
	So ending having some problems with them, the big fires that happened five or six years ago in Colorado, where the center of the fire remained hotter than the rest of the fire, was the malfunction of a nuclear reactor there.
	And we actually proved in 1989 when Bill Moore came out and claimed that Dulce was fake.
	And he said, oh, I made it all up.
	And I just released it to show how stupid UFO investigators were, blah, dee-blah.
	And we physically tested them.
	It was the first time ever that we had actual physical evidence.
	And this is where the cattle mutilations began.
	This is where Gabe and Ed Valdez were investigating.
	I talked to Ed Gomez, where he'd had 500 of his cattle slaughtered with lasers up there on the Apache Indian Reservation.
	So I go there.
	I talk to these people.
	I have the sources because, like you, I go out and get face to face with these guys.
	And then we actually had the scientific proof.
	And I tried to present this to MUFON at their conference.
	And MUFON, which stands for Morons Ultimately Finding Out Nothing, at that time were just, they weren't interested.
	I said, this is the first time ever that I could prove that these bases actually physically exist.
	And there's an atomic pile, a working atomic reactor at the center of this thing.
	And nobody's interested.
	Well, yeah, Anthony Sanchez, you should listen to my latest interview with him.
	He has a tremendous amount of information.
	He went out there and he dealt with, he was shown around the Archelaida Mesa.
	He also contacted a nerve agent out there.
	There's a lot of evidence of bio warfare underground facilities on that Indian reservation as well as another one.
	But before we go down that line, and someday you and I, Sean, should compare notes in that regard regarding PROMIS software, et cetera, et cetera, because that is a whole rabbit's hole that has yet to be sort of unearthed or make it into the mainstream, even into the alternative world.
	It's really held tightly held.
	Which I don't understand.
	I don't understand why nobody realizes that now what's called the Promise 2 software.
	The Promise 2 was basically used to spike the economic system of the world on September 11th of 2008 between 9 a.m. and 11 a.m. when it stole about $3.5 trillion out of the global economy.
	That the Promise software was also actually Rafiatain, who's a master spy who was the controller for Falcon and the Snowman and Jonathan Pollard at TRW, bragged that he used the Promise software to blackout the East Coast.
	That at that time, the Promise 2 software basically became, for all intents and purposes, it's the primary basis for all artificial intelligence and became, again, alive somewhere around 96, 97.
	And the fires at Los Alamos were then engineered in order for Clinton to sneak copies of the Promise software out of Los Alamos and then ship them out to the Chinese because he had all this big deal to build up the Chinese because the military-industrial complex wanted China to be a threat.
	Now that the Russians had collapsed, they needed the next big boogeyman to keep the Cold War going so they could continue to spend all this money on.
	Well, that's very interesting.
	I mean, the fountain of knowledge in your brain is just amazing.
	Well, because I knew Danny Castellero, Danny Caroline, I know Danny was my friend.
	He got murdered because he was.
	And I didn't know he was your friend, but I'd love to talk to you about that.
	That's amazing stuff.
	But again, you need to also hear about Anthony Sanchez, the Skynet, the system of artificial, you know, with artificially intelligent satellite network that is nanotech that has been put in the skies above our heads.
	That basically a Lockheed Martin scientist on the run from Lockheed and a bunch of scientists were dying.
	They did a study.
	They found out that those nano satellites with artificial intelligence had a 30% chance of turning on the humans.
	They rebelled.
	All promise software, baby.
	That's all promised software.
	And basically, that's what Anthony Sanchez has been investigating.
	He's writing a book about it right now.
	He's had death threats.
	I've gotten involved and so on.
	And some people behind the scenes.
	But we need to wrap this up.
	Greg Hallett, do you have anything that you want to say?
	Some last words?
	We haven't really taken questions from the audience.
	I think it's too late to really go down that road.
	We kind of started off on a tangent here.
	But I do have some people, Greg, that would like to hear a little bit more about why you left New Zealand and whether at least one person was asking that.
	So is there anything you want to say, Greg, in that regard and/or about your research that you're involved in?
	Well, it's 7 a.m. here, my brain's starting to freeze.
	Well, a lot's been said, and I think enough's been said, and I think we need to get back another day and say more.
	And I'll say more when I finish publishing.
	But I have the missing James Bond book, which I'm going to bring out shortly.
	Wow.
	By Ian Fleming?
	Ha ha.
	So have you talked to Mike Sparks about that?
	Because he would go crazy.
	No doubt if he uses this interview, he will call me shortly.
	We're in contact.
	Okay, that's hilarious.
	Okay, very good.
	Hey, you're talking to the second runner-up of the World James Bond Trivity Contest.
	That's me.
	I actually got a problem.
	And then I got to play video games with Jarve Valachez and have lunch with George Lazenby as part of the prize.
	So you got a James Bond book.
	Is it by John LeCare or John Gardner or the Lost James Bond book by Ian Fleming?
	We'll see.
	Oh, my God.
	That's incredible.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Fabulous.
	Good.
	Thank you so much, Greg.
	Great listening to you.
	Oh, great listening to you, man.
	I'm so sorry.
	You're so cold out there.
	Get an eater.
	Oh, you wouldn't believe how cold is it?
	It is unbelievably cold.
	Okay, okay.
	Okay, so anyway, Greg, you have a great night.
	Please come on my radio show.
	Please stay in touch with what you're doing.
	We would definitely want to know.
	I know Sean wants to have you on his show.
	I have no doubt of that.
	Sean, thank you so much for joining us and for making all this possible with your radio show slot over there at American Freedom Radio.
	Thank you, American Freedom Radio, for helping us out here.
	Sean, any last words?
	All is one.
	Life has purpose.
	God is love.
	That it's all about 2012 is all about it being there being more of us than there are of them.
	It really is the tipping point of civilization.
	You're seeing, you know, the bad guys can't win, and they can't win because the planet that we're on is alive, that all of us are the brain cells on that planet, and that we are evolving into the next thing.
	And that is the end of the occult age, the beginning of the Vedic age, again, where knowledge is applied, where we walk, talk with the creator, and we begin to manifest the things that we want.
	What I'm hoping is the 51%, the more of us than there are of them, manifest the bright, beautiful future and tomorrow and that's beyond 2012 rather than the dark, nasty one.
	So there you go.
	That's what I have to say.
	So again, God bless everybody.
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	Bye-bye.
	All right, good night, Carrie.
	I got to go get something to eat.
	I hear you.
	Okay.
	Bye-bye.
	Thank you, sweetheart.

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