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Aug. 6, 2025 - Project Camelot
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DR. GREGORY ROGERS: NASA CHIEF FLIGHT SURGEON AND AIR FORCE MAJOR 2025-08-06 22:10
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was when it had been filmed or anything else.
So I was looking at a completely clean screen.
Well, when I looked at it, what stood out to me was what was inside the hangar.
What I was looking at was a saucer craft approximately 20 foot wide, probably 8 to 10 feet tall.
And there were a couple of guys over to the left hand side of the screen that had on lab coats and they impressed me as engineer types.
And there were three guys on the other side that were in type suits.
And so they were there for just a minute or two and then a sound went off like a buzzer or something to say, okay, we're getting ready to do something.
So I'm looking at this flying saucer and it's just amazing.
It was pearly white.
It was like a modified egg.
An egg is not quite totally oval.
If you could sort of smoosh it to where it was even all the way around, that's what this thing looked like.
Now then there were no rivets, no seams, no flight control surfaces, nothing of that sort on it.
There was a dome at the vertex of it and then from the dome there extended a mask and the mask was attached to three umbilical hoses that went up out of the screen.
And so I'm sitting there looking at this and I said, Who on earth made something like this?
And the guy said, Well, I can't tell you.
I said, Well, why on earth would we design something like this?
And he did exactly this.
He said, We got it from God.
So I'm sitting there.
Well, boy, I don't have to figure out what that means.
But I'm sitting there watching it.
And then all of a sudden, it sort of comes to life, so to speak.
These electromagnetic discharges begin to occur on the surface of the vehicle.
And it slowly levitates just light as a feather, very, very smooth.
If I hadn't been closely watching, I wouldn't have been able to detect the motion.
It was so smooth.
So it was hovering at about three feet above the surface.
And then all of a sudden it rotated 360 degrees clockwise and then 360 degrees counter clockwise.
At this point, I was able to see the entire vehicle.
Now then along the beam from the 12:30 to 2:30 position, there was a horizontal black rectangle.
There was another one at the 3:30 to 5:30 region, another one from the 6:30 to 8:30 region, and another one from 9:30 to 11:30 region at the 3:00, 6:00 and 9:00 positions, there were vertical rectangles.
And they were also black.
Because the entire vehicle was just pearly white, if you didn't have markings on it like that and it started to move, you wouldn't be able to follow the motion.
So I felt like those were test markings because they were doing experimental work with this vehicle.
Now then as it rotated, I saw that at the 12 o'clock position, there was something that even startled me more than what I'd already seen.
It said US Air Force on it and then it had a US flying insignia just located above that.
So I'm looking at this thing and I'm just extremely surprised to see it.
It moved left and right, front and back, just testing the controls.
And then the front of it actually levitated to where it was at a 45 degree nose up angle with the US Air Force logo at the top of that.
Now that blew me away because I've flown helicopters and T-38s F-16s.
And so I know aerodynamics.
We have nothing that does that.
Fixed-wing aircraft have, yeah, that was when I was flying F-16s there.
I just thought we'd put a picture in there.
so what when when you saw this Was it towards the end of your time there?
Or was it like what year do you know?
Oh, well, yeah.
I was already heading out to my car to drive back to Patrick Air Force Base to my clinic.
So, uh, no, I didn't mean what later in the day.
I met what, what year?
What year?
Do you know the year?
It was 1992.
1992.
It was spring, spring of 1992.
Okay, and I I found this picture.
Does this relate to what you're talking about?
Um, yes, that that's a very poor drawing of mine that shows what it looked like, but you can see the horizontal uh rectangles.
You can see the umbilicals coming off the top.
The umbilicals really spoke to me that this was a test bed project.
Most likely a defense contractor was trying to make this technology work for people who are unaware of it.
Before the F-117 Nighthawk blew, it was originally designed as a program called Have Blue by the Lockheed Skunk Works.
So they made a.
a model of it and then they tried to test it and do all of these kinds of things.
So from the time that they started the Have Blue program until they had a working F-117 aircraft was like ten years.
So during that time it would look like the F-117, but the systems were not fully complete.
So I feel like that this was the same sort of thing probably owned by a civilian contractor or even a contractor.
consortium.
And so those umbilicals told me that the energy, the controls, the electrical circuitry and so forth, likely were not fully complete inside this vehicle.
Otherwise you wouldn't have required umbilicals.
So if you had to supply electrical energy to it, it had to come through one of the umbilicals if they had...
the flight control circuitry it came through one of the other umbilicals if everything was internal and functioning inside the craft, it would not have required umbilical links to external sources.
So this was not a complete craft.
It was a test bed object, obviously designed because we were trying to copy something else the US had already seen and probably captured.
Okay.
So in terms of the craft and this experience that you had, and I'm just.
drawing up the F 117 for people that are wondering, you know, what craft you're talking about.
Those you see those pictures, right?
Yes, I do.
In fact, if you notice the top left one, if you saw this from a distance, that looks sort of like a flying saucer right there.
I can remember the first time I was actually flying in a T-38 and I encountered one of the F 117s.
And as I was passing it, the angles are so odd and strange.
In trying to create an aircraft that gives such a small radar cross section that as I was passing it, it seemed like it was almost morphing right in front of me.
But I knew exactly what it was.
But if I had not known what it was, I would have really been thinking, boy, what kind of aircraft is that?
Right.
So.
Yeah, in fact, if you go back to that screen.
Yeah.
Can you go back to the screen?
If you look down, you see the white one.
Scroll down a little bit more.
There you go.
The white one was likely one of the have blue types because the F 117 in all of the other pictures, you can tell how it was painted and how it looked.
But the have blue was just a test of the systems to see if it would work.
So they worked with the have blue.
Once they got it to working, they turned it on into an actual aircraft and the US Air Force purchased it from Lockheed.
And then we used it to bomb Baghdad during Desert Storm.
Right.
Okay.
So now you said it has an had an Air Force emblem on it, correct?
Yes, it said US Air Force and then it had the Air Force flight insignia on it.
So let's see if I'm just going to pro this is very rough.
I don't know if online.
online, there is a better depiction of what you saw.
Is there?
There are definitely better depictions.
Okay.
And what would I call it or do you know what it was would be called?
Well, it's it's a an ovoid flying craft.
What does that mean?
I don't what it's it's made in the shape of an oval, but no matter what direction you look at it, the oval looks the same.
So, so it's completely symmetrical from all angles if you're looking at it from the beam.
Now then, one thing that I thought of when I saw the FA 18 videos in 2017, the one that they described as a tic-tac, you know, if you took the rectangles off this, the tic-tac would actually sort of look like what I saw back in 1992.
So just imagine taking off the flight markings and the rectangles, removing the umbilical and the dome at the top.
It would look like a Tic Tac.
So I don't know if they are related, but they would be very similar.
the only other thing I could say that that was sort of similar to that was the um sports model.
It had a general shape very similar to that, but it would actually be closer, I think, to the tic-tac.
So is the one on the right, the white one over here?
Yes, looking.
Yeah, if you took the umbilicals off, if you took the dome off, you took the rectangles off, it would have looked very similar to that.
Okay.
And are you familiar With Favor, the pilot, Favor.
Commander Favor.
Yes.
I don't know him, but I have a very high respect for him.
One thing I'll say on his behalf is that the Navy says that their aviators are better than the Air Force pilots.
And so there's always this little inner service thing that they say their aviators are best.
And we say, well, the Air Force pilots are best.
And, you know, that it's just a little teasing back and forth between the services.
But I know that if he was a commander that.
that he had great technical expertise.
He was flying a fabulous aircraft.
The F-18 Super Hornet was top of the line when when you see that it had visual reporting, it had flare reporting, forward looking infrared, and then they had radar locks on it.
I think it was the USS Franklin that was in association with that.
When you put all of those details together, when people say we don't have evidence.
I just have to say, you gotta be kidding me.
That that's great evidence.
If you had that kind of video on a street corner and you saw someone shoot another person and it was the quality of that video, you could use that video in court to put them in prison for the rest of their lives.
So if the video was that clear and obvious, I think it's ridiculous, especially when like the Wall Street Journal put out that article that, you know, there's nothing to see here.
Well.
Well, yeah, if you close your eyes, you don't see anything.
That's very funny.
Okay, so now in terms, I think you said you might you tried to get in touch with or I'm not sure if you're in touch with David Grosh.
I have not been in touch with David Grosh, but he was a lot of the motivation for me for coming forward.
When he testified before Congress, I think he was treated very poorly afterwards, by the way.
He testified that he knew about all of these different programs.
And he said, I know that there are people who have seen reverse engineered spacecraft within the US systems, but none of those people have come forward.
So, you know, I can't bring that information out.
Well, as I was watching that last year, I thought, well, you know, I'm about to retire.
I can't speak to the rest of what he has said because I wasn't involved with the NRO and those other operations.
But when he said, there are people who have seen alien reproduction vehicles, and then some of the officials from the Pentagon said, No, there have never been anything of that type.
I thought, Well, that's BS, because I've seen one.
So after I retired at the end of April, in the first week of May, I said, Okay, look, I'll tell my story.
So the rest is history.
It's really gone kind of crazy.
You know, people use the term viral and that's sort of what this has been.
You know, the Newsweek, the New York Post picked it up.
It just went all over the world.
I've had interviews with stations down in Sydney, Australia.
There have been some in Germany.
I've spoken to scientists from India.
In fact, just last night I. I was invited to come down and do some things with some people in Mexico City who are working with UAPs.
So, you know, it's really just expanding.
Excellent.
Now, what about the day?
Okay, what about Jake Barber?
You know who he is?
Yes, I know who he is.
I'm not familiar with him, but again, his testimony was compelling.
So, okay, and he, you know, without speaking to you.
He had a white vehicle in his story, but it was.
more like egg shaped and standing, like upright egg shaped, right?
Yes.
It was it was not similar to what I saw.
Okay.
I thought people might wonder.
Now, in terms of the overall, like someone in the chat wanted to say, you know, what propelled you?
And you've now just explained that in, you know, real terms, what propelled you to come forward.
But in terms of the sort of the writing of your book, which happened, what was when was your book published?
That was several years ago.
I wrote Impact in 1991993 and it was published in 1995.
And I was really attempting to get NASA convinced that they need to send up repair kits on the crews.
Had they been able to repair the reinforced carbon carbon on the leading edge of the left wing, the crew of Columbia could have returned safely and we wouldn't have lost the orbiter or crew.
So that disturbed me greatly.
So, in fact, he's passed on in a strange circumstance, which his wife conveyed that he received a phone call and dropped down dead.
So, we don't, of course, know if that was just his health situation or whether there was a pulse through the phone.
It's more likely that there was a pulse through the phone.
He was reporting on the Challenger and he was on a ship at the time when he saw it hit the water.
So, and for people that want to go, it's on my website.
I'll bring up the image when I can find it in a min certain sense, you're already aware of a certain degree of negligence going on right in NASA.
Oh, my goodness, yes.
When I got there, just as another example, do you remember the orange launch entry suit the astronauts would wear when they were going on to or getting off of the space shuttle orbiter?
In the lower right leg, they had two chem lights.
And the reason for these chem lights was that if they bailed out into the Atlantic Ocean, they were supposed to take these chem lights out and wave them at my crew.
and I so that we could fly in with our helicopters and rescue them and bring them back.
Now, as soon as I heard that they were red, I said, you gotta be kidding me.
What on earth caused somebody to do that?
And the explanation I was given was we don't want to ruin their night vision.
And so the color red would not do that.
And I said, well, that's ridiculous.
If we cannot see the Kim lights with our night vision goggles.
How are we supposed to save them and rescue them?
You give them green chem lights and on a clear night we could see it for five or ten miles.
So the green chem lights are not so bright they're going to lose their night vision.
But the most important thing is that we see where the astronaut is so that we can come in and rescue them.
Now when we get there, our helicopter is going to have all kinds of search lights and stuff.
So there's going to be a lot of light, but using a red chem light was just not very smart actually crazy.
ideas.
Ask backwards.
Yes, it took me a year and a half to convince them to change the color of those Kim lights.
Okay.
So I could tell you all kinds of stories like that.
So And I'd like to hear them, but what I'm trying to do is set the scene a bit, a bit here.
I think people might think that, like, out of the blue, you came forward, but in reality, for example, this particular incident, Siding, that was quite substantial, one might say, also indicating that we were reverse engineering, because you said it was 1992, right?
When you saw it?
That's correct.
Now then, I've got something else to bring up, and that was that there's a Navy symposium that is held every April.
It's called the Professional Development Symposium or PDS.
And so for five or six years, I had spoken as an expert during this symposium each and every year.
Well, in November of 2023, I contacted the commander of the PDS and I said, you know, now that the Navy has admitted that they've got.
evidence of UAPs on forward looking infrared visible and radar, and it's been disclosed to the public and testified before Congress.
In my lecture coming up next April, can I speak about UAPs in the lecture that I'm going to give?
So we went back and forth on emails and finally said, if it's done in a professional manner, then you can do that, but we're going to need to review it.
So I prepared my lecture, sent a copy of it to the PDS people and they approved it for me to present.
Then I took it to the public affairs office at the McAllister Army ammunition plant, which is where I was working at the time, and I let them review it officially and they gave me written clearance to give this presentation.
And then I also sent it to Fort Sill, which is the largest army facility in Oklahoma, and had their public affairs officer review it and he cleared me in writing to give this.
So on april 24, 2024, I actually gave an officially sanctioned lecture about UAPs to the United States Navy and the Department of Defense to personnel all over the world, medical people, industrial hygienists, all kinds of people like that.
There were several hundred people who saw that.
And then two weeks later, I got a letter from the commander of the PDS who said, thank you for giving such an interesting lecture.
So I officially was approved to present UAP evidence to the Department of Defense in April of 2024.
So they did not know what I planned to do when I retired, but I got them to allow me to talk about UAPs officially with clearance.
So that set up what I was going to do later.
Okay.
Now that kind of leads into my other question I was going to ask you because you know, Grosh has had a lot of trouble since he came forward in the UIP hearings and was so forthcoming to a degree.
And what happens though is he has been harassed in many ways.
He even says he's I think his life might have been threatened.
But I'm wondering if you thought or if part of your thinking was the whistleblower, I don't know what you call it, statute or whatever they had been releasing recently like that allowed Grosch to come forward and others, they were relying on this whistleblower.
As I said, law or whatever that had hit the books Right around the time when the first UAP hearing took place.
You're aware of that, right?
Yes.
And in fact, part of the motivation for me coming forward was what was said in those hearings, especially by the US government officials.
You know, people say the US government, but what is the US government?
Well, it's the White House.
Well, it's also the Pentagon.
Well, it's also Vandenberg Air Force Base.
It's also the Supreme Court.
It's also the Senate.
So when the members of the Senate and House of Representatives say we want members of the Department of Defense, either active or retired, to come forward and tell the story to an official US government agency called Congress, then I accept that as an authorization to speak out.
Okay.
So I'm just curious.
Now here you are, right?
Do you feel you're protected at this point?
point or have you had any discussions with other even whistleblowers that I've just mentioned a few that I haven't mentioned because there's many out there I don't know who you've been introduced to and who you haven't but are you feeling that you have like they have your back so to speak or are you feeling kind of like you're out in the wind?
For the major players who have interviewed me, they've all been very supportive and said, you know, we anytime you stand up and start saying that something is different from normal, there's going to be people on the internet who start throwing rocks at you.
So you can't do much about that.
But I went out to what's known as the Contact in the Desert Convention.
And while I was there, I spoke to a number of UFO UAP people.
And I also told quite a few of them, you know, about my disappointment in NASA because they failed to.
to give repair kits to the crews and we ended up losing Columbia in 2003 because of that.
So I spoke about that quite a bit.
Ten days after I got back from Contact in the Desert, the publisher of Impact sent me a very simple email that we are no longer interested in your book.
We will not publish it.
We will not distribute it.
All of your rights are returned to you.
We really don't have anything that we want to do with it anymore.
But fortunately, Margie Kay from ENIX has said, well, look, I'll publish it.
And they asked me to.
So I actually wrote a UFO UAP book that's going to be published and will be released on the 22nd of September.
And as far as the name, I decided, well, there's great.
We got it from them.
So what about people like Lou Elizondo?
Has he talked to you?
He has not.
Okay.
And I'm just trying to think of any of the usual suspects, so to speak.
What about the what are called the what do they call themselves?
You know, Hal Pudolf and that gang.
Do you know who I mean when I say that?
Yes.
Yes.
I admire Squiders Academy.
In the past, I have spoken with Chris Mellon on several occasions.
You know, I just got through being interviewed on American Alchemy with Jesse Michaels, and Jesse was great.
I got through last night with someone else on Thursday of this week.
I'm going to be interviewed with Linda Moulton Howe.
All right, good.
Well, I guess that's tomorrow.
Oh, yeah.
Don't worry.
That's right.
It's okay.
Yeah, I think.
What I'm actually more interested in is kind of the people that are really in the know at the top of the line.
I mean, journalists are great, obviously, and we know a lot, but we're not the people that have sort of the hands of control in any way.
So, and we're all, most of us, many of us are sort of more in the alternative.
Did you talk to the redacted group yet?
I can't remember if you have.
No.
Oh, really?
I imagine he would want.
I've been asked, I've been asked probably ten or fifteen times, would you speak before Congress?
And I tell people only if they ask me.
Okay.
And so far, nobody has asked.
So, okay.
Okay, but what about this idea that you're a flight surgeon, right?
And you were also on that's correct.
On helicopters recovering crashed, you know, looking for bodies or something.
What time?
Yes, we did search and rescue missions for boats that sank for aircraft that crashed into the ocean.
There were several times when I was involved with military aircraft, mishap investigations.
So I dealt with a lot of that.
What about crashed UFOs?
I mean, were you ever sent out on missions where you were recovering?
I was not.
Okay.
To your knowledge.
To my knowledge.
Okay.
And what about bodies?
Did you ever come across one that wasn't human, so to speak?
I never came across nonhuman intelligence.
In fact, sometimes with some of the humans, I'm not sure.
I dealt with intelligence there either.
Okay.
And there are people that have dealt with, let's see, Smith.
I forget his first name.
There's a there's a guy that worked at Stanford for a long time.
He has a lot of detractors out there right now.
I'm sorry, I can't remember his first name, but anyway, Smith is his last name.
And he actually testified, you know, online at least, to the fact that he was sort of some kind of a doctor or whatever you call those people that, you know, did what do you call them?
You know, when you dissect a body.
Autopsy.
Of aliens, you know, that's he's testified to that.
And he worked in at Stanford.
So they're trying to bury a lot of these testimonies right now because some have come over the years have come forward in this way.
And there, you know, crash retrievals, I mean, if you were on a helicopter, you could be called out.
I actually had a person that I was interviewing on a totally different subject that ended up going on those kind of crash retrievals.
He was in Florida too.
I think it was operational out there.
Anyway, I just wondered, for the record, you know, so when you're in this situation, is there anything that you can say in terms of my thought is if NASA, how could NASA be as sort of dumb an organization as it appears to be?
And I worked for JPL as a contractor many years ago.
So I have some familiarity with the, you know, organization, you might call it loosely speaking of NASA because they're part of it really.
So we, why, see, I actually wonder if there was a built in program to sabotage.
And I don't, I don't know what you know of my work and maybe you don't know, you know, William Tomkins, but he talked about our space program being sabotaged, like that that's a very real thing from within.
So did you like in going down this road where you even wrote impact, I got a copy of your book.
Thank you very much.
And I don't know when you went down that road, did you wonder, was there like a concerted effort to have, I don't know what you want to call it, but built in sabotage happening periodically in NASA because there were other, there have been other people coming forward saying these things did not have to happen.
Well, first of all, are you familiar with the Peter principle?
Yeah.
Back in the 60s, there was a book called The Peter Principle and the idea was that in a bureaucracy, you keep getting promoted until you reach a level of being unable to do your job properly.
You know, if somebody's at level one and they do a great job, they get promoted to level two.
They do a good job at level two, they go to level three.
They go to level three, they do a good job, they go to level four.
They do a really good job at level four and they go to level five when they get to level five, they're not any good at that job.
So that's where they stop.
And so you will rise to your level of incompetency inside a bureaucracy.
For the military, Boeing, I would say has been an excellent example of that recently, but within the government, within NASA.
Right.
People rise to the point to where they're making poor decisions.
I have a perfect example.
We had this one guy who was a great mechanic on our aircraft.
And any times anybody had problems with their aircraft, they could go grab this guy and he could fix anything.
And because he did this so well, they promoted him to where he was a non-commissioned officer in charge of all of these people.
Well, he was not really a people person kind of thing.
he did a very poor job of trying to manage all of these other people that wasn't what he was That wasn't what he was good at.
He was good at fixing helicopters.
But then because he got promoted to this position that he couldn't do very well, when it came time for the end of his term, they didn't renew him within the military and he went off.
If that had left him as a mechanic, he would have been the best mechanic we had.
But instead he got promoted to a job that he was not qualified for and everyone suffered because of it.
Right.
And I have heard of.
military men and others who actually refused to be promoted.
There's one particular case that comes to mind.
But anyway, for just that reason, because they knew what they were good at and they didn't want to get, in essence, promoted out of the organization by going up the ladder and getting booted out.
Now, one wonders about the people that become generals.
Are they really good at anything at that point?
There have been a few of them that I can assure you I don't.
Not only do I not know how they got to be a general.
I'm not sure how they went from first lieutenant to captain.
Some of them were pretty pathetic, but they obviously did something well sometime in the past, but when I was around them, I saw no evidence of it.
Right.
And then there's always the kiss ass, uh, oh yeah.
opportunities or whatever and behaviors.
So that's when you get to the top, what someone is probably really good at is that kind of thing.
And I faced, I faced that kind of ladder, the stopping of the glass ceiling in Hollywood, in part because I wasn't a kiss ass.
And so I didn't get mentored by these guys who then would take you under their wing and do everything for you because I wouldn't kiss their ass either, you know?
Sure.
So I know it's a syndrome, but there's there's also real sabotage and when we, you know, and I appreciate that you may not know anything about or if you did, you wouldn't talk about it, obviously.
But I'm just, I'm just throwing that out.
There is a known thing that William Tompkins, one of my top whistleblowers, and if you haven't seen my interview with him, it's like over three hours long and he's disclosing a hu huge amount of stuff.
And he wrote a few books.
He's also been backed by, let's see, Robert, God, I'm blanking on his name.
But anyway, a very top person from TRW, who actually helped edit his book and died, has died, passed on recently, Robert Wood, and was highly, very highly thought of.
And so, in other words, it wasn't just Tompkins alone.
He had backers and, you know, his material.
Well, I know of times when we were considering two options of how we were going to proceed, and one of them was more politically correct than the other.
And even though the first one was actually better than the second one, they got chosen politically, not because of merit, but simply because of who was supporting them.
Right.
And it looked good or something.
So surface, you know, value rather than actual function, you know, form versus function, that's always a problem.
So, all right, I just want to make sure we bring in all your stories because I know you had more when I was talking to you before, and so, do you have a list at all here?
Oh, well, I have all kinds of stories.
Do you want me to tell the one about Buzz Aldrin?
Sure.
Okay.
When I was having a book signing with Buzz Aldrin.
This little snot-nosed teenage kid came up and got right in his face, said, You never went to the moon.
And he said, Get out of my face or I'll punch you.
I've done it before.
But some people grabbed him and pulled him off.
And he said, You know, people don't realize it, but we nearly died on them.
And I said, I don't know what you mean.
And he said, Well, when Neil Armstrong and I came back into the lunar module as we were taking off our outfits, one of us hit a lever and broke it.
And the lever was the one to the ascent engine igniter switch.
You hit that button to initiate the rocket motor that was going to blast them off the moon.
And they just broke it.
Well, they called down to Houston and said, you know, what's the workaround on this?
And they said, well, we don't really have a workaround on that.
We never even imagined that somebody might break off that lever.
We don't know what we're going to do.
So they spent some hours trying to figure this out.
Well, finally, Buzz Aldrin said, you know., I cracked open the opening to that.
I think I can get my pin in and close that circuit with my pin.
And if I do that, it should ignite the engine so that we can ascend back and return to Earth.
And so they couldn't come up with a better idea.
So there he was when they're counting 10, 9, 8, 7.
He is, Buzz Aldrin is standing there at the on inside the lunar module with his pin.
And when they get to zero, he pushes it in, manages to close the circuit.
The ascent engine ignites and they fly back and everybody's happy.
But, you know, NASA at the time wasn't going to tell anybody.
We nearly lost the Apollo 11 crew on the moon because of a broken switch.
Right.
Very interesting.
OK, so have you heard about the astronauts and where they might have either implant?
implanted memories or lost memory I can't say that I know that.
Okay.
You're a doctor, right?
So yes, I am.
And a surgeon is, you know, like your hands on like surgeon type person, right?
Yes.
And I dealt with even things like making decisions on can this guy still fly?
I had a full bird colonel who was having a medical problem and he was trying to hide it.
And so inadvertently, I got a medical report from a hospital downtown because he had not come to our hospital.
He didn't want us to know about his medical condition.
So when I got the report from the hospital, I called him to my office and I said, Sir, I want you to know that I'm reporting you.
Your medical condition is disqualifying, so you cannot fly.
And I'm going to report that you attempted to lie to the United States Air Force.
And I'm going to report you for this.
And he, in lieu of court martial, he took an early retirement.
Uh, so yeah, I yeah, you you involved with lots of stuff.
I bet, I bet.
Okay, um, now I know I didn't want to keep you too long and we've been going for a while, but I still, you know, if you have some other little stories that you want to say, um, that that would be helpful.
Well, uh, can I ask funny stories or, um, actually, can I ask you one thing?
Because I know you told me one of your funny stories and you you can tell great stories, but I am curious is like when you saw the craft, right?
Right.
And you had, had you already had, because the guy said, Oh, well, this is going to be more than you've ever seen, this type of thing.
Yeah, I'm going to show you.
I'm going to assume that you had already known that there might be reverse engineering going on, or that you might have known that, you know, you knew about the UFO stories that were out in the public, and so on.
Did you ever have a sighting before that or have a, have a understanding that helped you in those moments when you were looking at the craft?
I did not personally have a sighting, but I can assure you that dealing with both astronauts and pilots, when they're in an official setting, they will say, no, I have never seen UFO UAP.
You go out to a bar, you're having something to eat, they've had two or three Brewskies.
All of a sudden they say, hey, let me tell you what happened on my first mission.
And then they tell the story.
But then the next day they go back to official and they'll say, no, I never had anything like that.
But last night they told me what really happened.
Right.
And so I know a lot of those stories that will never be told officially.
Okay.
So in a sense, you know, just to finish my question, when you were looking at that craft, you weren't like so shocked, you know, that you couldn't handle it or something like that.
You already were kind of prepped.
Would you say, Yeah, as soon as I saw it, I was immediately assessing what I was seeing and trying to figure out, okay, how is this thing working?
So there's things that I haven't told anyone that are clues that I witnessed on the potential of how it was operating.
And I don't want to repeat that because I believe that that was a research vehicle.
Assuming that they continue to do research on that vehicle, the next generation of the vehicle had more capabilities than the one that I saw.
The next one after that had more capabilities, but if those capabilities were based on technology that I witnessed and I speak.
about that technology, then I could be inadvertently releasing information that later on became much more important.
And, you know, I'm a loyal American.
I have zero interest in giving away secrets that would in any way put the safety or security of our nation at risk.
So there's some of the stuff I'm just not going to say.
All right.
Well, I certainly hope to give you a chance to testify at the next UAP hearing or whatever similar proceedings going on.
And as you say, others have said the same thing that they thought, you know, you should, right?
Yes.
I think part of it is that at times they will say, well, you know, this person was an enlisted person that had not received training.
You know, this guy wasn't really a pilot, but he saw this or he was a pilot, but he didn't have much experience.
I was the chief of aerospace medicine.
Of the there were three.
documents to train military flight surgeons how to support space shuttle operations, including at Kennedy's Space Center.
Of the three, I wrote two of them.
I supported more space shuttle missions, I believe, than any military physician out of Kennedy's Space Center.
So when I speak, I can speak with authority.
I had a space operations badge.
I was trained at Johnson Space Center.
I was a senior flight surgeon.
I flew F-16s.
I flew T-38s.
I flew attack helicopters.
I performed classified missions on four continents.
So if someone says, Do we know anything about his background?
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
There's lots of evidence about my background.
Right.
Okay.
Well, I wonder, let me see if there's anyone in the chat has a question that we haven't covered, because if you do put it in with a question mark, please.
Oh, that's kind of you.
If you want to donate to me, just go to my website..
There's a donate button on the front page, projectcamelotportal dot com dot I think that should get you there.
But anyway, that's very kind.
Yeah, so I think that we covered most of it.
Someone wants to know, are they going to put a nuclear reactor on the moon?
We already have nuclear reactors on.
Yeah.
Radioisotope thermoelectric generators were carried on Apollo 12 and all subsequent missions.
You can power a lot of electrical sources with solar energy.
But when the moon rotates around the sun, half of a month, 14 days, it's going to be in the darkness.
So there would be no energy to power any of the experiments.
So we used a radioisotope thermoelectric generator RTG to produce electricity for experiments on the moon.
And we did that starting with Apollo 12.
So there are RTGs that are already on the moon.
Okay.
So it it sort of amazes me, your position in NASA and let and yet you were never now I'm assuming you're answering me honestly but you can't or you can't talk about it.
So I don't know which it is.
But if I ask you, you've ever encountered, you know, like an alien body or came in because you're a medical doctor they would, you know, under emergency situations, you know, they never you never saw or anything that was like that, right?
That was people maybe even injured by fire, exchanging fire with the UFOs, things of that nature.
If you ask me some questions, I would say I can neither confirm nor deny.
If you ask me that question, I can say no, I never saw that.
Okay.
Well, I hope you'll come back on my show sometime in the future and look back at this time and see where we're at.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, you know, I'm going to be around for a while.
Very good.
I certainly hope so.
And thanks everyone for watching.
Any partying remarks that you'd like to make?
The American people are smarter than we are.
People are smarter than what the government gives them credit for.
We don't have to be treated as kindergarten kids.
It's better to tell us the truth and let us deal with it than try to act like, you know, we can't let them know any of this information.
You know, we dealt with World War II.
We dealt with nuclear weapons.
I can remember when I was a kid, we had the duck and cover drills because the kids in the schools thought they would be safe.
A nuclear weapon is about to fall on our city.
As long as we duck and cover under our desk, it can't hurt us.
Well, that was worthless, but it was something that they did just to make people feel like there was something you could do.
Well, ducking and covering in a grade school is not going to help you really survive a nuclear weapon blast.
So, you know, we're big people.
Tell us the truth.
Very good.
All right.
I'llm sure my viewers will as well.
All right.
Thank you, everyone, for watching.
And you take care, Dr. Rogers.
I hope we can have you back on the show.
Well, I certainly enjoy being there.
Okay.
Great.
All right.
So you can go ahead and depart, and I'm going to run the credits here.
So it'll take me a minute.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Okay, just an addendum here since people are asking.
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It is chock full of articles and videos going back actually 20 years.
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And I'm going to see if I can get Laughrin, because I said I would share that with anybody.
And I can't spell his last name right.
So I know his first name is Ed.
See if that helps.
And I probably have several eds, so maybe that's going to be really difficult too.
I have thousands of interviews, just in case you're wondering.
Let's see, maybe it's Challenger, I'll be a better way to go.
Let's try that.
Okay, yeah.
He was on a ship when the Challenger hit the water.
He claimed to see living bodies and that they were told, Turn away and do not attempt to rescue these people.
So for what it's worth, he then was killed in very strange circumstances.
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