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June 9, 2025 - Project Camelot

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DARREN BROWN_AA22

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	This is Darren Brown and we call him, I actually interviewed him on my show and he's called, I called him the paranormal plumber.
	And I mentioned him yesterday, if you were at the conference you would have heard me mention him.
	But he is absolutely phenomenal and what he sees and what he experiences and what he does.
	To help people at their houses, it's actually a television series, as far as I'm concerned.
	It should be a television series.
	So welcome, Darren Brown, please.
	Thank you, Jerry.
	Okay guys, as I said, my name is Darren Brown.
	As you've just known, I'm a plumbing, heating engineer.
	I've got many feathers in my bow, actually.
	I've also done a bit of Reiki as well, level 3, and that really helps.
	I used to do a lot of karate, and I used to find that if I hurt myself, I could use Reiki to heal myself.
	So if someone gave me a good idea, I used to be able to sit there quietly and meditate and actually make myself feel a little bit better.
	But yeah, talking about energies, as I said to you before, LNLPRS, which is Lensley Paranormal Research Society, me and Mark created.
	But what we really wanted to be strudent about is that we never charged.
	The reason why is because as soon as you charge, I think it's a scam.
	We had the son that chased us once when we were in a place.
	We went into the Queen's Head and there was a woman and a man.
	That were pretending to be husband and wife.
	They were from the Sun Papers.
	And they were there just to try and baboo us, basically.
	Just to turn around and say, oh yeah, well, you're a scam and everything else.
	They couldn't do it.
	Because when we went there, we had nearly more stuff than actually most taught me to do anyway.
	And we had it all laid out and everything else.
	And, you know, it was really good because they realised that we're genuine people.
	It's a shame Mark can't be with us, but Mark is busy anyway.
	He doesn't normally get into the talks that I do.
	I never dreamed in a million years that I'd actually start to do these talks, but what I realised is through the experiences that I've had myself, I really wanted to make sure that I let everyone know about.
	They can experience these same things.
	It's all about opening the mind.
	It's all about allowing yourself, get rid of that fear factor and move forward.
	And once you do that, you'll find that you'll get a lot of things that will open up for you.
	I'll never forget my brother, where he was just literally constantly saying, oh, Darren, it'd be so good if I could do astral projection.
	And I said, well, I don't know, it's a bit of a fellow, that one, I tell you.
	And he said, oh, no, no, it'll be all right, it'll be all right.
	And I said, okay, well, careful what you wish for, right?
	Next day, a couple of days, he rang me up and he said, oh, God.
	I said, what's up?
	He said, oh, never again.
	I said, well, what do you do?
	He said, well, I said, I went into this astral projection and he said he ended up with a cave and he was being followed by an Indian that had a tattoo on his back.
	And as he was going through, his wife, Mark would stop breathing and his wife just panicked and was in bed.
	It's like, Mark, for God's sakes, wake up, wake up!
	Didn't realise that he was going so deep into some form of a trance that she actually was worried for him and thought he died.
	And so it was a big yu-ha and he thought, I ain't going to do that one again.
	But it was quite interesting.
	But I actually actually projected, but I didn't really get a choice about it.
	Because I remember once I was lying in bed, the cliché, around about 2 o 'clock in the morning, and I woke up and there was this 8-foot black energy, and I thought, what the hell is that?
	And the next minute it jumped into my body, and I just lifted up, and I saw my body, an outline, red outline, and then I saw my house, and then I saw the county I was in, then I saw England, then I saw Earth, and boom, I was gone.
	And it was just like that.
	And I realised it was my conscious.
	And there were stars.
	It was the most amazing feeling I've ever had in my life.
	Because you're flying.
	You're literally flying.
	You haven't got any body or anything, but you've got this conscious.
	And then I thought, hang on a minute.
	I'm not supposed to be doing this.
	And as soon as I thought that, I was almost triggered back to my body.
	And as I went back into my body, I jolted.
	And I jumped like this and woke Chrissie up, my wife, and she's, what the hell are you playing?
	I've got to be up with the kids at 6.00 in the morning.
	And I said, I'm sorry.
	And this energy I saw just go through the door and it disappeared.
	So that just gives you a little bit of an idea of what I experienced.
	I don't know if you, well you won't know my daughter, but me and my daughter, we've almost got a connection.
	And sometimes if my daughter's going through something, I would normally pick it up.
	I would normally go through that as well.
	So, you know, it's just one of those things, what I go through.
	When she went through, when she had her first baby, I was absolutely in pieces inside.
	I was just, oh my God, you know, and it's just one of those things.
	So it's almost like a, it's not like a twin, it's just like a sibling thing.
	And Kirsty, she came back yesterday, because she was in the army, and she said to me, she said, Dad, I just had an amazing thing happen.
	I said, well, what was she said?
	Well, it scared the life out of me.
	Never had anything like it in my life.
	And I said, well, what happened?
	She says, well, she said, I was holding Freya, because she's just got a baby, and she says that she closed her eyes, and she said in her mind's eye, she saw a grey.
	Now, I don't know if you know what a grey is.
	Now, I'm pretty much...
	I think it's just another way that we express it.
	So I wouldn't be surprised if aliens, spiritual aren't the same sort of energy.
	And what Kirsty was saying, it was quite real.
	She said that this thing was coming close.
	And she said at first when she saw it, she was quite fearful.
	But as it got to her closer and closer, she got this overwhelming feeling that it's okay and she hasn't got to worry anymore.
	So it's almost like, I don't know what they do, but they do something so it almost opens them up and then they haven't got that worry of what's happening, even though they're being intimidated.
	And this thing apparently came closer and closer and closer.
	And she said that the actual grey eyes were on her eyes.
	And she could see the eyes going backwards and forwards, like reading into her body.
	And it really mucked her up.
	Kirstie's quite courage.
	You know, she don't normally...
	But it did upset her, didn't it?
	So, you know, I had a little chat with her and said, you know, I said, well, these things happen.
	Well, they do with us anyway.
	So, you know, and maybe one time it might happen to you.
	But as I've always learned, when you get certain things happen like that, the trick is never to show you fear.
	Don't allow fear to overcome if you can do it.
	You've just got to keep yourself on a level.
	And then you've got to sort of almost instruct yourself to say, look, get away from me.
	Just the same as when you have a spirit in your house, okay?
	Where I live in an old chapel, we've had plenty of spirits in our house where I've had a woman open the door telling me to shut up and slam the door.
	You know, for God's sakes, I get it from a wife, now I get it from a spirit.
	And I always wonder, well, why?
	Why are you doing that to me?
	Why am I getting that?
	But, you know, it's an energy.
	It's obviously a replay of an energy.
	Yeah, so, you know, I'm just giving you a little bit of an idea of what's happened.
	Now, I'll tell you something which I've really had, which has blown my mind, okay?
	Now, there's a lot of things.
	It's like I can go into people's houses, I can see spirits, shadow people, sometimes, you know, and that doesn't blow my mind, right?
	But what has blown my mind, which happened about a month and a half ago, was I remember Chrissy was dreaming.
	And she was sort of whimpering and I thought, oh gosh, she's having a nightmare.
	And then all of a sudden I saw this gold ribbon just appear.
	And there was, this is going to sound a bit weird, but there was like, it was almost like, you know Star Trek and you see them going in the wormhole.
	Has anyone seen that?
	And then it's going really, really fast.
	It was like that.
	And it was like, there was black holes and there was like beans and they were zipping backwards and forwards.
	It was almost like, I don't know, it was like a teleport where people were teleporting backwards and forwards.
	And I saw when she was whimpering, there was a conscience coming out.
	I could see the conscience coming out.
	And it was going into Chrissie's head.
	And then it was going back out of Chrissie's head, going back into this ribbon.
	And I thought, I wonder if that's a ley line.
	I wonder if I've managed to pick up what a ley line looks like.
	Because a lot of churches are built on ley lines.
	So, you know, that was quite fascinating.
	So, but there's been another sort of thing which, lately, the energy's been just phenomenal, lately.
	I've been getting a lot of, when I go to bed, and I just sit down and I sleep, and you know when you get sort of things on your eyes, you know, and you think, oh yeah, it's just like tiredness, or you can get like black spots on your eyes.
	When I get a point where I lay down, I haven't gone to sleep, and all of a sudden the room will just disappear, and I will see almost like electric energy.
	And then you'd almost see, like, these worms and cobwebs, and you'd think, God, bloody hell, what's going on now?
	You know, because sometimes it's a bit overwhelming, because I'm seeing a different sort of energy level that I'm not used to.
	Because before, I was used to seeing, like, portals.
	You know, if I went to this church somewhere which has got high energy, I'd take on that high energy, and then I would sort of walk in a room, and I would just see portals.
	All over the place.
	Like energy.
	Spots of energy.
	And you get a good energy on the floor and you get a bad energy on the floor.
	And sometimes you can stand on that good energy and you can almost draw the energy from the ground.
	Mother Earth, if you like.
	And if you do meditation, it's like when you do meditation, you ask Mother Earth coming up and you ask Sky Father coming down.
	And you open up your chakras and you clean your chakras and you use that energy, which really can help you.
	And it can help you spiritually.
	It can help your body.
	And you can use that energy that you're using to channel to make a better life, a better life for yourself.
	Because it doesn't cost you any money.
	You don't have to pay anything to meditate.
	You've just got to know how to do it.
	Yeah, so that's really what I was really wanting to talk to you about on that sort of level.
	Now, spiritual-wise, and when I was saying to you about the ghost-wise, you get a lot of people where they say, oh, well, animals can't attack you, right?
	Like a spirit animal.
	Well, when me and my brother, we did an investigation at Clop Hill.
	Some of you might know it.
	It's quite haunted up there.
	Well, it was.
	Now there's actually a place now where people go there and they can sleep overnight because they've converted it into a hotel.
	So it's quite interesting.
	But what we found is that there was more energy away from the hotel, away from where the old church was.
	Then where it was, and there was this old thing where there was like three graveyards, and if you jumped over the graveyard, it's supposed to be cursed and die, right?
	That was one of the things, which you never did anyway, because, you know, a curse you have to believe in anyway for it to really start to work.
	So what I did is I did, like, I opened myself up and tried to see if I could channel some energy.
	And I remember all of a sudden I saw this old boy with a dog and the dog bit me on the leg.
	And I thought, bloody hell, I've just been bitten by a ghost dog.
	So that sort of takes that analogy away that animals can attack you even if they're dead.
	So just bear that one in mind.
	I think we all do.
	I think we all carry a vibration, a light, an emittance of energy.
	And talking about the emittance and light and energy, And I thought, OK, I've never known this woman before in my life, but I listened to her.
	And she said to me, oh, it's really important, she says, that you go and contact a dolphin and ask a dolphin to help you be complete.
	And I thought, oh, okay, then.
	She's saying about, oh, why didn't you go sort of like holiday on the Caribbean?
	And I thought, well, I don't think the wife's going to go for that one.
	As though it would be nice to go away for a day, you know, sort of thing.
	But no, I can't do that.
	So my mate Jonathan, anyway, you know Jonathan, he said to me, no, Darren, he says, a dolphin's got a sonar which goes out 500 miles.
	So he said, it doesn't matter.
	He said, you can actually try and contact this dolphin just by thinking about it.
	And I thought, yeah, I don't know, I might do that.
	But we went away for a break, and we were by the seaside anyway, and we were having sort of like breakfast.
	And the next minute, we could see in the sea, there was dolphins.
	Crazy, right?
	So I thought, blown out.
	So I said to Chris, I'm going to run in and touch the sea.
	Just to see if I can make contact to this dolphin.
	And when I did that, I got a major buzz all the way around the back of my head.
	a major, major buzz and I just felt, "Oh, that was really It felt like an upgrade.
	And I thought, whoa, that was amazing.
	and I just thought nothing of it and then since I did that that's where I keep seeing different energies of level level of energies now on a different Now, just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons, right, I'm going to talk to you about a few things that happened to me when I was doing, on a daily basis.
	You know, I've been working, and I remember once that I was over with church, and I was working around there, and I was fitting in the washing machine, and they were moving, and they had all the removal stuff.
	And when I was working away, I also saw this shadow go right the way across like this.
	Big person.
	I said, oh, isn't that strange?
	And this woman said, oh God, please don't tell me it's followed us.
	Because what she'd done is she'd actually moved because she felt that the other place was haunted.
	But there's a little bit of a newsflash, right?
	Don't move if you think something's haunted because it will probably follow you or it's already been with you anyway.
	So, you know, you get loads of people that do that and they still find that they've still got hauntings, that they've still got that sort of energy around them.
	So, you know, if you're serious about that, then there's certain things you can do.
	Certain groups that you can find on Facebook where people will help you.
	There's Angelica's in Leighton Buzzard which have helped me a lot when I did my development.
	I asked Neville.
	And leading on, actually, the reason why I had to do a development course was because my daughter, which I told you about, when we moved into Wing, the very first day, Kirsty was bored and everything else.
	And I said, yeah.
	Some sweets.
	So she went up to the shops, and as she came back, she got hit on the back of the head.
	So she come back crying, and she said, oh, Dad, I've just been hit on the back of the head.
	And I said, well, what was it?
	And she said, well, it was a cloaked figure, but this high, and it just smacked me on the head and knocked me to the floor.
	So I thought, how the hell can you protect yourself from something like that, right?
	Especially when it's a 10-year-old, that 10-year-old's relying on you as a mum and a dad to look after you, right?
	You can't really do much about that.
	So I had to go into it in depth.
	I had to think, right, I need to know how I can protect my family.
	So what I've done is I went to Angelica's and there was Neville and Neville ran this spiritual course and he showed me how to do development and we learned how to do closing off.
	One of them, which I do frequently now, is if I go into a room and I feel it's quite negative, I'll put a mirror dead in front of me, just create a mirror, reflect straight away.
	Because I haven't got time to do what sometimes I do, where you put an orb around yourself and add the colour.
	If you just drop a mirror in front of you, that's the quickest way to do it.
	And if there's anything that's untowards, it just reflects anyway.
	So that's very, very quick.
	Something else I did.
	And then the other thing what she's done is I brought Kirsty a tiger's eye, which is a crystal, you know, or it's a stone, very powerful stone.
	And she wore it around a necklace.
	And I said, a couple of days later, I said, where's your necklace going?
	I don't know.
	I can't find it.
	and the necklace just disappeared.
	So we thought, I said, no, Dad, she said it just disappeared.
	So I thought, oh, okay, fair enough, so I went and brought her another one.
	And I said, well, don't lose that one, you know.
	And that used to disappear as well.
	So, again, I did a bit of research, and I looked into Circle of Raphael, I don't know if any of you have heard of that, with the second seal of Agripa, which is King Solomon's manuscripts.
	And I looked into going way back to certain energies, and it's supposed to be angelic energy, right?
	So I brought the seven, it's called the seven protections of archangel angels, and I thought I'd buy that for her.
	I bought that for her.
	I bought one for Chrissie as well, actually, before that.
	That seemed to do it, and it didn't disappear either, which was quite interesting.
	So that definitely made a difference.
	We did Bodmin once.
	I don't know, does anyone know Bodmin Jow?
	Yeah, we went to Bodmin Jow, me and Chrissy, funnily enough.
	We went there, and we went on one of these things where you pay like 50 quid to get a meal, and you go there.
	And I remember, this was way before I started doing my paranormal stuff, right?
	And I remember walking down these stairs, and the next way I just collapsed, fell on the floor.
	And he almost passed out, no energy.
	And this guy behind me, he said, God, dear.
	He said, I've just seen the spirit just drain you.
	Amazing.
	He said, he'd come across, just took all your energy.
	And I thought, that was weird, wasn't it?
	And he said, yeah.
	He said, I'm actually a psychic.
	And he said, you could see it.
	You could see it happening.
	So I thought, God.
	And he said, yeah, he says, you're really sensitive.
	I said, well, I never knew I was that sensitive.
	I just thought I was normal.
	So, you know, I just thought I was normal.
	And there's an elemental spirit in Bodmin.
	I don't know if you know.
	And we were doing some sort of like work with like a planche and stuff like that.
	And we were sitting on this chair.
	And the next minute, my chair is rattling like this.
	And it's like something's pulling it like this.
	And I'm, God, what the hell's going on?
	There's someone pulling my chair.
	And then we've got stones thrown at us.
	And then there was a psychic that said, I want to put you in the dungeon.
	I think it would be a great idea to put you in the dungeon.
	She had no idea.
	I was sensitive.
	So I thought, oh, okay then.
	So I'm in this dungeon.
	Why don't we make you blindfolded?
	I said, oh, okay then.
	Let's do blindfolded.
	So I remember sitting in this chair blindfolded.
	And all of a sudden I heard this screech.
	She went, oh my God!
	She went running down.
	She said, I had no idea.
	I said, what?
	You're sensitive.
	You're really sensitive.
	She said, they're just homing in on you.
	I said, well, I can't feel anything.
	I seem all right.
	Just a bit tired and that was it really.
	But, yeah, so it was quite interesting.
	Yeah, so like I say, there's been a lot of things that have been happening in that world of...
	But there is a word of warning.
	There are times when you can't control certain energies.
	If you're psychic or if you've got a gift, you can't control it.
	And there's been times where I had to go to Chichester once because the guy that fitted a radiator, he had a leak.
	And my friend, you know, the customer rang me up and she said, we're not there.
	She said, we left the key underneath, but could you go and sort the leak out?
	So I said, yeah, sure.
	So I drove two hours down there, opened the door.
	It's an old manor.
	It's a lovely place.
	And I went running up the stairs and I thought, I've got to get into this room.
	And the next minute, so it just dropped me.
	It jumped onto my back and it pinned me to the floor.
	And I said, look, I don't know who the hell you think you are.
	Get off.
	I'm trying to sort the leak that's downstairs.
	I ain't got time for this.
	And this thing just lifted off.
	But I was a bit wary going into that room, really.
	It just had a really weird feeling.
	So I went running down and sorted out the leak and then ran back in again and switched the aisle.
	But because the fear factor, again, if you've got fear, it's like when people used to go in like haunted houses, It's almost like they draw energy from you, from a hoarding house.
	It's like Monster Zinc, right?
	I've got a theory with Monster Zinc, okay?
	Is that I think it could be quite true.
	It's like with Monster Zinc, right?
	You know, it's like a kid's thing.
	And when they're shrieking, they're collecting that fear into like a sort of like thing.
	And they're using that as an energy.
	Well, if you think about Disney.
	You've got Disney, all the people shouting and screaming.
	Well, if you do a lot of research online, there's people that say that there's secret societies that are going on underneath Disney, and they're using all the fear and the shouting, the screaming and everything else to draw it in.
	So, it's quite fascinating.
	Really, really fascinating.
	And it's a bit of an eye-opener as well, you know?
	So, yeah, I'll leave that lingering in your head, that one.
	Yeah, so what else were I going to talk about?
	Has anyone had any situations?
	Anything paranormal?
	I wanted to tell them about the one where you ended up with the, I don't know, was it a drill or something sticking out of your head?
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	That was quite interesting.
	Yeah, yeah, this is...
	Because I've had quite a few premonitions.
	I'll just do the premonitions first, and then I'll jump onto that one.
	Is that all right?
	Because that will work quite well.
	The first premonition I had, I used to go nightclubbing when I was a kid, right?
	I was when I was 21. And we used to go to the living room in Hemel Hempstead, right?
	And I remember before that night, I had a dream.
	And I remember this guy saying, hey, come over here, come over here.
	And I thought, what?
	And he went like that, and he had a knife.
	And I remember seeing him looking down, and I had a knife sticking out of my stomach, and I'd been stabbed, right?
	So I told my mum and dad about it, and I said, look, I said, I told my mum and dad, I said, well, he said it could be just like a dream and everything else, and you could be just worried about going to the nightclub.
	So I thought, oh, all right, then I'll go then, right?
	So I walked all the way down, down there, walked up the stairs, and there was the same guy there.
	I couldn't believe it, and he was, hey!
	I thought, that's it.
	Turned around.
	Went home.
	But Billy, one of my friends, got stabbed.
	So then I felt quite bad because could I have stopped it?
	It's one of those things, right?
	It's the same as I had a thing where me and my mate, me and Neil, we saved up the sun coupons, right?
	And we were going to go on the Zybrugge.
	And it was like a holiday thing.
	And we were booked in, and we had to be there at 6 o 'clock in the morning.
	And that night, we both sat, you know, because he lived across the road from where I lived, and we set the alarm clocks and everything else.
	And I remember in the morning, I woke up at 10 past 9, and I thought, what the hell happened there, right?
	He rang me and said, oh, I said, we've overslept.
	Switched the TV on, the Brugge's just sunk.
	Crazy.
	Absolutely crazy.
	And another one.
	Where I had a dream, woke up, and this was quite a vivid dream, where I was in Oxford, working on a washing machine, trying to sort something out in a shop, and this guy run through, he put a fork straight through my eye, grabbed the cash to all the money, and ran off.
	And then in the morning, I woke up, and I thought, God, that's a weird old dream.
	Yeah, really, really vivid.
	Phone rings.
	Eight o 'clock.
	Oh, hi, yeah.
	I've got a problem with the washing machine.
	Whereabouts are you?
	Oxford.
	Put the phone down.
	I thought I'm not going down that road.
	Yeah, so, you know, premonitions have always served quite a purpose for me.
	And they've come quite real as well, which is, again, quite scary.
	So, leading on to that, I had another premonition.
	And I remember seeing this doctor.
	And this doctor was shouting at me in my dream.
	I can't understand what you're saying.
	I just can't make up what you're...
	I didn't realize he might have been one of my guides.
	I don't know.
	But he was sort of like, don't do this, do that.
	And he was pointing at his head.
	He was going like this.
	And I was, I don't know.
	I ain't got a clue what you're on about.
	And it's just like this is what I've seen in my mind's eye.
	So the next...
	I said, what's the matter?
	She says, you've got a pair of pliers sticking out your head.
	I said, have I?
	And they were right there where I've got my scar.
	And I said, oh, Christ, I'm really sorry.
	I hope I don't get any blood on your carpet.
	That's all I was worried about.
	You know, typical tradesman, you don't want to damage the house.
	So she says, oh, well, you're going to have to go to the hospital and everything else.
	I said, oh, no, don't worry about that.
	And I just pulled them out and carried on working.
	And I remember when I was doing some wiring, right?
	And all the colours of the wires, I couldn't make up.
	They all disappeared.
	Every single colour had disappeared.
	So what I knew was red, brown, blue, yellow and green disappeared.
	I couldn't work out any colour whatsoever.
	I could still get in the van and drive, but I lost my ability of my colours.
	But also, I lost my ability of seeing energies and my psychicness had disappeared as well.
	After about four or five weeks, it come back stronger.
	And it's weird, right?
	But if you go back to the Tibetan times, they used to cut a hole in their head.
	And they used to put an actual straw or a stick in their head.
	And they used to move it up and down.
	And they could use that to channel.
	To get into a higher depth of meditation or a different level.
	So it was almost like that happened to me and I had no idea what happened.
	So it was really quite weird.
	But I do know that one of my guides is a Tibetan monk.
	So perhaps he's trying to tell me something.
	I have no idea.
	No.
	No idea.
	And I've had situations like that where I've gone in a house, right?
	And I've been fitting the cylinder.
	And the woman has gone out.
	And the next minute, the whole place has gone silver.
	But I'm sitting there.
	And I've gone blind.
	Completely blind.
	and I'll be there two hours, and I won't know what's happened to me.
	And I just come out of it, and I just think...
	Totally off kilter.
	No, yeah.
	Yeah, but what's interesting is would it have happened if their customer was there?
	Because the customer said, oh, I'm going out and be back by one or two.
	And it's funny, you get things that happen like that, right?
	It's like, I've got so many stories.
	Honestly, it's amazing.
	When I was 12 years old, right?
	I remember my mum and my dad used to go to work, okay?
	And there was Bill next door that used to keep the balls if he kicked it over.
	He was like a real grumpy person.
	And it was Ivar that used to live in the corner, right?
	Ivar was, he was a TV repairman, ex-Green Beret, which I didn't know, right?
	And he used to look after me.
	He was like babysat.
	And I used to run down into the field, and there was a digger's field, right?
	And when I went running down into this field, I remember running all the way down, and at the end of this cornfield, I saw a flying saucer.
	And it was white, and it had like a red thing around it, and I just felt really wary, like, get away from it.
	Don't go near it.
	So I remember running all the way back, and I ran up to Ivor, and I said to Ivor, I said, Ivor, I said, I've just seen a flying saucer.
	And he said, yeah, they won't hurt you.
	So stay away from it, don't go near it.
	He says, just leave them to it.
	And you think, hang on a minute, does he know there's something I'm going to do?
	So it's crazy, really.
	Yeah.
	So welcome to my world.
	It's like I've had quite a colourful reality of life where a lot of people probably won't be able to cope with what I've been through.
	And then you've also got the spiritual side of it as well.
	So what I have done actually is there's a group I've just joined which is called Red Hawk Tribal Alliance.
	Has anyone heard of that?
	This guy is a shaman.
	And he's an Indian, and he's really quite interesting, really quite interesting.
	And when I had, I just told you, about four weeks ago, I had this really strong feeling I just wanted to get in a car, drive off and never come back.
	It was a real weird thing.
	It was, I don't know why, the energy was all over the place to the point I couldn't cope.
	And what I think it could have been is, you know the hydroclider, you know that thing that spins round?
	They reckon they've been running it 100 times or 10 times even stronger.
	So the energy is even stronger now than it's ever been.
	You know, and if you're sensitive and you pick up on things like that, it can sometimes have an emotional effect on you to a point where you find it very hard to cope.
	And I think that may have had something to do with it.
	Because it was about four weeks ago when they were running that.
	Yeah.
	So that would make sense.
	Yeah, well that gives me a little bit of purpose knowing that.
	I'm not losing my mind after all.
	Yeah, so going back to certain things like that, there was another time when I was working in Witcher.
	Witcher's quite horny, by the way.
	There's loads of stuff in there.
	And I remember I was working in this building, and I saw a soldier by the oil tank, bludgeoned.
	And it looked like a rifle had bludgeoned him, you know, someone had bludgeoned him to death.
	And I thought...
	Why would you see something like that?
	It just don't make sense.
	But what I didn't realise is Kempson House, right?
	So don't tell anyone.
	But Kempson House, the actual walls are made out of castle.
	They use castle walls, which they brought over.
	So it may have been that I was picking up on that energy.
	And I don't know if you've heard about psychometry.
	Do you know what psychometry is?
	Where you can literally channel energy.
	But you could pick up an object and you could almost work out where that energy has come from.
	And when I did one of my development courses, right, one of these things that Neville said to me, he says, when you get home from work, he says, I want you to find a rose, a petal, and what you've got to do, you've got to put some intent into the rose, then wrap it up in a tissue, and then when we go and do our meditation, we're going to put it in a bowl, and all of us are going to try and read The petal and see if we can read the energy, right?
	So I remember I literally rushed in from work and I was about 15 minutes before I got a go and I sat there and I was sort of like looking at this rose and I was trying to concentrate and really put some energy into it.
	And then I wrapped it up and then, you know, when I got there I put it in and it was this old lady, bless her, right?
	This old lady.
	And we said, we're doing this weeding sort of thing, okay?
	So she picks this thing up and she says, oh, she says, oh dear, I can feel a lot of rushing around and someone thinking about a gas boiler and someone thinking about an oil boiler and how am I going to get a job done tomorrow because I haven't got enough time?
	and I thought that was me.
	So it shows you that if you concentrate enough on It's a really powerful tool that we've all got, right?
	We can change things by intent.
	It's the same as we can change things by sending a positive thing out to the universe and allowing it to come back.
	It's very, very, very powerful, right?
	And I would urge you all to do that.
	All of you to think, right, okay, I want to put something positive.
	Send it to the universe and hope it will come back.
	Because there's no harm in trying to do that.
	Again, it don't cost you any money.
	And it's a very, very powerful intent.
	It's the same as, it's like spelling.
	You know spelling, don't you, right?
	You look at spelling, spell, right?
	And, you know, if you was in the 16th century, a witch, she's only got to say something and she'd probably be burned as a witch.
	And then you've got telly, lie, vision, right?
	Telly, lie, vision.
	So, you know, there's those two, those different key factors, you know, and it's almost like we live in an illusion anyway, okay?
	And it's been proved that we live in illusion.
	It's because where we portray ourselves, we travel at the speed of light anyway.
	And the reason I'll show you that is if we look in a mirror, your reflection is almost there before you are.
	You don't see the break.
	But there's a one millionth of a second.
	Before it gets to the mirror.
	So as you walk round the corner, it's not always there.
	Your reflection isn't there.
	It's been transformed to there.
	So that is your actual proof that we live in illusion.
	That that illusion has been transferred to the mirror.
	So yeah.
	Did I ever tell you about I got visited by an angel?
	This was crazy, right?
	I remember I was about 19, 20 years old and I was driving my Mini.
	And I broke down.
	I had a mini.
	And I broke down.
	How the hell am I going to get home?
	Right?
	So, next minute, this guy pulled up in the car.
	He said, all right, Darren?
	He says, do you need any help?
	I said, I've broke down.
	I've run out of petrol.
	He says, it's all right.
	Just jump in the car.
	We'll run up to the nearest SO.
	We'll get some petrol and come back.
	So I thought, okay, then.
	So I just got in the car.
	Went up there.
	I got some petrol.
	Filled it up.
	He said, see you around.
	Drove off.
	When I told my mum and dad, they were horrified.
	They said, you just got in a car at 19. You don't know who they were.
	I said, but he knew my name.
	He knew my name.
	How did he know my name?
	Right?
	Now, I've got to tell you something which I only found out about two weeks ago.
	This was quite fascinating.
	My granddad, okay, was always in the war.
	He was in the Royal Navy and he was on the...
	And he used to take photographs in the plane.
	And my dad, where my mum's got Alzheimer's at the moment, my dad, he was pleased to see me.
	So he came out with some stories which I thought, whoa, this is really interesting, because we were talking about stuff.
	And he said to me, yeah, he says, he says...
	And I said, well, how do you know he was sort of charmed?
	And he said, well, when he was in Egypt, he said, my dad told me this, he said, when he was in Egypt, he said, he remembers he was walking in this village in Egypt, and this Shiite guy came with a knife, you know, one of these swords, curved swords.
	He was running at him, and he was going to kill him with this sword.
	And from this day, My granddad had said to Dad, he swears that this happened, right?
	He said he remembers seeing the She-Arc coming to him, and at a point where he was going to kill him with a sword, he lifted up in the air, and he came straight down, and he was empowered in a spiked fence.
	Honestly, really interesting.
	And that was quite fascinating, because that's the information that my dad told me about, which I never knew about.
	Never picked up on.
	And, you know, my grandad, actually, funny enough, he was quite spiritual.
	He used to have dreams where he used to go into a dream and he'd be on another world.
	He knew everyone in this world.
	He knew people and he'd be chatting to people and stuff.
	And he was one of these people where it didn't matter where you put him, anywhere in the world, someone would know him and come up to him and talk to him.
	So, it was quite strange.
	And, you know, when I said to you about this Atlantean thing, which this woman was tapping into, said, oh, you've got like Atlantean energy.
	I've been doing a bit of work on that and research with other psychics.
	And they've been saying, well, what it is, is actually you've got angelic energy.
	You've got dolphin energy, right?
	Which is an angelic energy.
	And there's been a lot of things.
	Which I haven't been able to work out.
	Like one of them when I was in the room and the whole room went like an iPad and there's hieroglyphics going across.
	And I could literally point my finger like this as if I'm using an iPad and I could push these hieroglyphics.
	And I had no idea what I was doing.
	I had no idea what it was.
	And it used to frustrate me because I think, well, what are they?
	And I then got a little voice, if you like, about five or six weeks, where someone said to me, Angelic script.
	So eventually, if you wait long enough, someone's going to tell you.
	And I got angelic script.
	So I'm not supposed to know it, but it's there, right?
	And that's why I said to you that there's just been a completely different level that I've been seeing things.
	You know, and this was in gold.
	I remember seeing this in gold.
	And it was all in gold.
	I don't know why it was all in gold.
	But the whole room just went gold.
	and I remember seeing these hieroglyphics, You know, because sometimes you wake up, it's vivid in your head, so you think, oh, why the hell didn't I write that down?
	Just the same as when I was in Tenerife.
	We went to Tenerife and it was quite funny as well.
	And it was quite...
	the energy there was quite strong right and I remember when I was walking into this room And all of a sudden, the toilet seat just exploded.
	As soon as I walked in, it just went bang!
	And I thought, what the hell's that?
	And the toilet just cracked.
	And so I thought, bloody hell.
	So I thought, oh, well, it could be sort of a volcanic area.
	It could be movement in the ground.
	Because it's always that little scientist side of you, isn't it?
	And it's thinking, yeah, exactly.
	It's always that little science side of you that kicks off.
	Yeah, a bit like that.
	So, yeah, so I did that, and then we went out, and we went swimming, and then we had a couple of drinks, as you do, right?
	And we came back, and I went to sleep, and I remember waking up, and I saw a web, and I saw a six-legged spider, right?
	And there was two of them going backwards and forwards like this.
	And this web was coming off the spider, and it was attached to Chrissy.
	While she was in bed asleep.
	I thought, bloody hell.
	So I got up and I walked around to see if Matt and Sam were alright.
	And they were attached to this web as well.
	And I thought, well, perhaps that's a web of energy.
	And when you dream, it all goes back to this collective thing.
	And then I remember seeing this slug on the wall.
	And it was silver.
	And I could see the reflection of the blades.
	Of the aircon, because this blade's spinning around, on this actual thing.
	And I thought, wow, that's amazing!
	Because it was real silver.
	And then when I walked into the room where the lounge was, there was a girl, probably around about 16, 17 years old, and she was a native there, sitting in the chair at the table.
	And then Sam...
	And I realized that she was channeling Sam to say something through.
	So she was using whatever she was channeling to Sam, and Sam was coming out with the Spanish.
	And I thought, why the hell didn't I switch my mobile on and record it?
	Because you don't do this.
	You get things like this.
	You don't even think about it half the time.
	Yeah, so that was quite fascinating as well.
	Yeah, and another one we had was when we were in America.
	And we went to Florida.
	And that was weird.
	I remember Kirstie, again, she said, oh, Dad, she says, I can't get any sleep.
	and I said well why can't you get any sleep because there's blue beans running around in the And you could see an outline of this blue being.
	And it was very similar to that picture there.
	That's one of the reasons I put that picture up.
	If you imagine they were blue, that was the sort of people we could see in America, right, when we stayed in the Hilton Hotel.
	And that was quite weird as well.
	Then there's another time when we went to Benidorm.
	We went to the Castle Rock Hotel, right?
	And that was really strange, right?
	Because what I kept getting was when we were in the pool and they had like a slide, I thought, oh God, I wonder how many kids have died here because I just kept getting told that there's a few kids that have died.
	And I thought, nothing of it, because I get things like that all the time, right?
	And me and Chris were in one room, and Matt, Sam...
	And Kirsty was in our room, I think, and then there was Matt and Sam in there.
	One night, they stayed in there.
	They said, oh, I don't like this room.
	And I said, well, what's wrong?
	She said, someone kept nudging us and stuff like that.
	So I thought, all right, then.
	I said, I'll tell you what we do.
	I said, I'll go in that room on my own, right?
	And I put you kids in with mum, so they're all in the bed in the other room.
	I'm there that night.
	That night, I kid you not, I went to sleep and I thought, okay, nothing seems to be wrong.
	It's probably the kids, so they're tired.
	And then I remember waking up and I saw a jester in the corner of the room, right?
	And I thought, what the hell's that?
	It had like these things with like bells on.
	And then the next thing, he jumped on me, and he pushed my body, right?
	Where my body was, he pushed my spirit into the mattress, right?
	And I could see all these little molecules of this mattress, but worst of all, I could see my body.
	I was sort of out of my body, and I thought, hang on a minute, how the hell am I going to get back in my body?
	I wasn't worried about the jester thing, because he'd already pushed me out of my body.
	He didn't want to do anything else after that.
	So what I've done is I did a cleansing, right, where I imagined that there was water coming into the room, and I allowed the water to come up, and as it got to the bed and the mattress, I slowly lifted up back into my body, and then I just, bloody hell, you know, woke up, what the hell happened there?
	It was quite strange, yeah.
	And then, yeah, that's crazy, right?
	And then there's another time where when the kids went back to the bed, they were all right.
	We didn't seem to have that problem anymore.
	But this jester, he looked like he was part burned.
	So he had like a burn.
	He almost looked like he'd been burned in a fire, you know?
	And I kept getting this castle.
	And you think, well, yeah, Castle Rock Hotel.
	That's probably why.
	It was an old castle.
	and you're picking up on something that's been there a while, right?
	And then...
	So we're all sleeping in this bedroom.
	And in the next minute, Sam kept playing with my head, and I said, for God's sake, Sam, get off my head.
	We've got to be up in the morning.
	Of course, Sam's snoring away fast asleep, and there's a child, a spirit child, that's rolling around on our bed, playing with my hair.
	And I thought, for God's sakes, you know, get off.
	And then actually it went through.
	Which is weird, because they say that you're not supposed to see spirits go through mirrors, right?
	This child went through the mirror, and it disappeared.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah.
	Where have we got to?
	So, Dunbenadorn.
	Yeah, Hastings was a good one, wasn't it, Chris?
	I don't know if I told you this one before, but we stayed in Hastings, and it was a caravan thing.
	This is when Kirsty was a little baby.
	And as soon as we went in there, Chris was doing the washing up and she turned around and she saw like this sort of like smoky person.
	All she could see was like this head about here and she thought, oh god, I could just see the person.
	I thought, oh alright, that's interesting.
	But of course the caravan's quite high up, isn't it?
	So you were seeing probably them walking on the level of earth.
	But because the caravan's high up, that's why you're seeing a part of the body.
	And we had loads of weird things there, just crazy.
	I mean, we went to bed and we put Kirsty in the cot.
	No, we put Kirsty in the buggy, didn't we?
	Because she wouldn't sleep.
	She was one of these children that just wouldn't sleep.
	So we had like a pram thing.
	so she went in the pram and I remember And there was someone rocking the pram backwards and forwards in this caravan, which was so good.
	That was crazy.
	Yeah.
	And then we used to get things where we felt like someone was clawing on the bed, like they were walking up the bed.
	That was quite weird as well.
	And the worst one, though, is that I had a situation where...
	They just, be wary, be wary.
	That's all I kept getting.
	So I just put my head over the pillow and forgot about it.
	Just thought, alright, okay, I'm going to leave it alone.
	Not going to get involved with that.
	Don't know what energy it is.
	I'm not going to get involved with it.
	Yeah, so there you go.
	So it's quite interesting.
	Has anyone got any?
	Any questions?
	What blood group are you?
	I think I'm just normal.
	Just wondering whether you're a rhesus negative?
	No, my granddad was.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so I think I'm just common.
	Common plumber, common blood.
	Yeah.
	Now, I had an incident actually when I was at Black Gang China and we were going through Black Gang China and they got like a museum.
	And when I went through Black and Shine, we got to nearly the end of it, and all of a sudden, I don't know what happened, I just literally passed out, and I remember collapsing.
	And there was something that was in there that completely took my energy.
	So, you know, there's a lot of places, actually.
	It's like, you know, and it makes you wonder sometimes where you can have situations where you have a freak accident where people are driving and they have a freak accident and they can't understand how it happened, how they veered off the road and crashed.
	Well, I actually had a situation where I was in my van and I was driving my van and I was trying a few experiments, which was a bit naughty.
	But I was trying to do a meditation, so instead of meditating at home, I thought I'll do some meditation while I'm driving, because I don't get time to do it at home.
	So I'm driving with this, and I thought, oh yeah, all I need to do is make sure I'm earthed.
	So I created this chain, and I put the chain down so I'm earthed.
	And in the next minute, I remember I'm in the passenger seat looking at myself driving.
	And I thought, oh Christ, what have I done?
	I'm by the side of myself, right?
	And the van is going over like this, and I thought, oh God, I've got to go back, I've got to get back.
	And I remember getting back in my body, and I just pulled the wheel over.
	And that's why there's situations, isn't there, where people are driving, and they sort of like say, oh, okay then, well, he was driving, we can't understand how he's had a crash, how he's done it.
	Well, that could be one example, is just by me playing around.
	You can end up sometimes playing too much.
	So you've got to be a bit careful with situations like that.
	Yeah, so that's crazy.
	I had a really weird encounter when I lived in the wing...
	And we used to get loads and loads of weird things there.
	We used to get, like, noises in the sky and there'd be nothing there, right?
	My daughter was born.
	That's where she was born, in that very house.
	I remember running up and there was almost like a witch looming over Kirsty.
	That's what it looked like.
	It was black and it was looming over Kirsty.
	And Kirsty used to cry because of it.
	She could pick it up.
	She was a baby, right?
	So this thing was attracted to it.
	And what was weird about it was that Neil never told me, When Neil went in the house, he saw something upstairs.
	And he never told me for about two or three years, but he saw a witch upstairs in the room.
	Even though Kirsty wasn't born then.
	So that was interesting as well.
	And there's always been a funny energy there where we saw a monk.
	And I'll never forget that.
	This monk just walked around the corner from the kitchen, knocked over the baby Huggies nappies.
	And then just walk through a window.
	So that was strange as well.
	And then I used to have a summer house at the bottom of the garden where I used to do like eBay and I used to download loads of stuff off the internet where I shouldn't have done like everyone else.
	And I remember it was about 2 o 'clock in the morning and as I locked it up I had like a table and chairs that were just outside and there was this person that looked like he was in a suit of armour with a long beak.
	And it completely scared the life out of me.
	Because this is before I couldn't control my fear.
	And I remember having to walk across the grass to get to the French window without this thing thinking that I can't see it.
	Because I could see it, right?
	So I'm walking and all I can see is these beats.
	I thought, oh God, please let me get to the window.
	Get to the window.
	I remember getting to the window, pulling the window up, and then locking the door off.
	Thank God for that.
	Just went to bed.
	But we had quite a few experiences in that house.
	When we got married, after about two or three weeks, we had an incident where we woke up and we were pinned to the bed and we couldn't move.
	It was like a force field all around me.
	And I remember I just couldn't move.
	It wasn't like hands or anything like that.
	It was literally as if someone had just put a blanket over you and were pushing the blanket down and you just couldn't move, right?
	And I thought, at the time, I believed in God, Jesus, in higher energy, right?
	So I remember saying, the power of Jesus, just leave me alone and get off me, right?
	And when I was trying to force myself off, I remember About eight foot, I went straight across to the wall, hit the wall, and I slid down.
	And I remember thinking, God almighty, that was weird.
	And I went to the doctors because I was a bit concerned about it.
	And I remember talking to the doctor about it.
	And the doctor said, Darren, he said, I'll let you into a secret.
	He says, we only know about 10% of what the brain does.
	He says, so the other 90% could be doing all sorts and we just don't know about it.
	So that was quite fascinating.
	Yeah, I've had some wonderful, strange things, really.
	How am I doing for time?
	Did you ever see any reptilians?
	Because I see you wearing a shirt with a dragon on it, yeah?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I had a situation.
	When I was doing this development course, right, I've had loads of weird stuff that's happened there.
	But one of the weird ones which I had is I remember that I woke up and the wall behind me had completely disappeared and there was these aliens working on my head and they were working.
	There was three of them.
	And I remember looking like that.
	And it was like I was in my bed but the wall was gone.
	And they were working on my brain, which is weird.
	And I just couldn't quite understand what that was all about.
	So yeah, that's a bit of a weird one.
	I don't know if I told you about when I was in the bedroom and the wall come alive.
	No, I haven't told you about that.
	Well, when I was about 12, and we lived in Hedges, And it was always warning anyway because I used to go up the stairs and it's the cliche, I could hear the chains.
	I could always hear the chains.
	And I remember that if you flush the toilet, it used to terrify me.
	I used to be scared of the flush of the toilet.
	And me and my brother shared a room, right?
	And my dad, what he used to do is put the dog in with us if we played up.
	So he'd say, your dog can go in with you.
	and I remember
	don't touch the wall, don't go through the wall and I just thought that was weird and there was Tony, which I didn't realise, screaming his head off and the dog barking like there was no tomorrow, right?
	I thought, and then I remember my dad just started running up the stairs and he had his slipper ready, right?
	And then all of a sudden the wall returned and I thought, oh God, I'm going to get hiding because I'm not in bed.
	So I remember running into bed and the blankets were off, right?
	Dad opened the door and said, what the hell's going on?
	And the blankets of the bed just come all the way up, up to my neckline.
	And my dad said, now get to sleep, and just went downstairs, right?
	And I said to my dad, I said, Dad, did you ever see that?
	He said, well, you do.
	He says, you know when you see something and you sort of like put it out your head?
	He said that's exactly what he did at that time.
	He just felt like I would just put it out your head.
	Yeah, so that was a strange one.
	Yeah, so yeah, I've had quite a lot of strange things, really.
	Yeah, so anyone else got any questions?
	Do you, is it possible to train yourself to see the energy, etc.?
	Yeah, definitely.
	Meditation.
	Yeah, if you do meditation and also using crystals.
	Since I've been playing around with crystals, it seems to enhance you more.
	There's a few out there.
	Any crystal.
	I mean, I have got a list, actually, because what I was going to do is I was going to go through, which I thought would be really important.
	Was that, you know, things that I've told you, I don't want you to go away thinking, oh God, I'm so scared of everything else, because that isn't what I want to do.
	What I'm trying to do is tell you what happens to me.
	And these experiences that I have are very real.
	Whether it's in the mind or not, to me it's still real.
	So, you know, but like I say, there are crystals.
	I mean, salt lamps, good protection.
	And then you've got tiger's eye, which I told you about.
	Amethyst is a good one.
	Aventorian is a good one.
	I found when I was playing around with Aventorian, it's a green one.
	That seems to really help with energies moving backwards and forwards.
	So I get a lot of energies with that.
	And then there's selenite, tourmaline, obsidian, jade.
	And then, of course, if you're really worried about your house, you can do smudging with sage.
	You want to tap into it.
	Yeah.
	All's for it.
	Yeah, I've had a lot of the monetary stuff.
	I'm just trying to do it in the world.
	Yeah, I tell you, I let you into a secret.
	As soon as you try forcing it, it don't happen.
	Honestly, the best thing you can do is just say to yourself, what will be, will be, and just allow yourself just to, okay then, show me.
	Just show me.
	And just work on that.
	Do you work with any guides?
	Do you have any guides?
	I'm aware of them, but everything's gone quiet for the last couple of years, to be honest.
	Yeah.
	But it doesn't mean they're not there.
	Oh, no, no, they're still there.
	They're just not active.
	Because they work on a different timeline anyway, right?
	When we used to do a lot of ghost, when we go in people's houses to help people, One of the things you've got to be careful is they're in a fifth dimension and you're in a three dimension, right?
	So the problem is that you can go in there and say, yeah, okay, like Mark used to do.
	Yeah, yeah, do what you like.
	I don't care.
	You know, use my energy.
	And then you find six or seven months later you have something that's happened but you don't realise.
	It's probably something connected to when you were doing a visual at someone's house trying to help them.
	So you've got to be really careful with that.
	You could say my time now.
	That's a good one.
	I'll tell you something I wanted to talk to you about, actually, right?
	I probably told you this last year.
	That's the reason why I didn't want to tell you, but it is a good story, right?
	And I was doing a gas safety inspection, right?
	And I had to go to Milton Keynes to pick a key up.
	And I remember I went and put the key up, did the gas safety inspection, put the key back.
	And this is in Milton Keynes, right?
	Everyone knows Milton Keynes.
	And as I'm driving, I remember having to slam on the brakes, and I could see, like, this energy moving backwards and forwards like this, right?
	It's like Predator.
	It's just like it had, like, a cloak on it.
	And I thought, what the hell's that?
	You know, just disbelief.
	The next minute, it took off.
	It went straight through a car, and the car just rocked like that, and it just disappeared.
	And that was crazy as well.
	And that's Milton Keynes.
	You know when sometimes you sit in a car and the door shuts?
	How did that happen?
	Well, it's the wind.
	It might not necessarily be the wind.
	It could be that there are things around us all the time.
	And some people pick up on the energy and some people don't.
	A lot of people close themselves off because they just don't want to go down that road.
	Because once you do, it's like opening Pandora's Box.
	And I normally warn a lot of people, Once you start to open up that, you know, you can open up a lot of things.
	Now, one of them, I will tell you about this, it's probably one of my best things I've ever done.
	Have I got time to say about it?
	Well, this is probably one of the best encounters I've had with a witch, right?
	And believe it or not, it's one of my customers as well.
	So, me and Mark, we got called out to a manor.
	And this was in the Three Counties area, right?
	I can't give this one away.
	And when we were over there, there was a 15-year-old girl that was there.
	And as soon as I walked into the house or the manor like this place, I got influenced.
	That's what I got told.
	It's been influenced.
	And we were doing a voluntary investigation because this place is quite horny.
	It's about 700, 800 years old.
	And as soon as we walked in, You could literally see energy running around all over the place.
	It was just crazy, right?
	And then you could hear people in the walls.
	You could hear sounds.
	So it was quite good.
	And we had loads of cameras up and everything else and we weren't getting a lot of action.
	And I just had this feeling that we've got to go to the daughter's bedroom because that's where it all is.
	So I said to the daughter, I said, oh no, I don't want you going in my bedroom.
	You're not allowed in my bedroom.
	I said, okay, that's absolutely fine.
	And I just got influenced, being influenced.
	So I thought, okay then.
	So I thought, okay then, what we do then?
	I went and spoke to Oliver.
	I know Oliver.
	And I said to him, Oliver, I said, is there a way if we bless the room?
	Because he will protect her.
	And if there is anything a bit dodgy, because they're all worried.
	So he said, yeah, that's fine.
	So we went in there, three cameras, got all the cameras ready.
	There's my dad in there as well, right?
	There's my brother with a camera as well.
	And there's Chrissy.
	You were with us, weren't you, Chrissy?
	And we were in there.
	And all of a sudden, as soon as me and Mark went in there before we sat up, there was a couple of books flying around.
	So we thought, yep, this is quite active.
	So we don't know now whether she's manifesting it herself through her own mind or that there is something there, right?
	So what I'd done was we set the cameras up and everything else.
	We started asking out and I started to try and create some white energy.
	And I did that in my mind.
	And I'd create it and I'd spin it around.
	And then all of a sudden I saw what looked like a scarf on her bed just going round in circles like this.
	I thought, bloody hell, what's that?
	I've never seen that before.
	Now what I didn't know was my daughter was babysitting.
	In her house, she looked up at the ceiling and she saw a scarf appear and this scarf was going around like that.
	So although it was appearing there, it was also linked to Kirsty as well, where we were.
	So I thought, oh, you've got to go, right?
	Because it was dark, it was real, it was horrible.
	So this thing just jumped straight onto me, and it absorbed into my energy, and I was like, like this sort of thing, and I couldn't do anything.
	And my guides were saying, don't panic, just keep yourself calm.
	And it was just like my guides.
	I had to trust into my guide I said okay then you've got to Okay, so that's what I did.
	So what I've done is I brought out Archangel Michael, which is a high anarchy.
	That's what I use, right?
	And I remember the sword.
	I used the sword, create fire coming from the sword.
	I start to draw it around the whole of the bedroom.
	And as I draw it around the bedroom, this thing is still in my body.
	I can't get it out right and Kirstie's She's gone freaking out, going mad.
	Oh my God, Dad, there's something going on.
	And we've got Ovilus.
	I don't know if you know what Ovilus is.
	If there's any people that sort of watch ghost hunters and stuff like that, Ovilus is like a translator.
	It's got 160,000 words, and it basically speaks out these words.
	Now, there was loads of people downstairs where all our phones were, and what we kept getting on the Ovilus was which, which, Which is going off.
	And of course we didn't know.
	We were upstairs.
	And in the end I banished it.
	I banished it and I said, right, you're no longer allowed in this house at all.
	So as I banished it, everything calmed down.
	It seemed to work.
	And then I spoke to Oliver and I said to Oliver, I said, oh hi Oliver.
	I said, how's it going now?
	He says, "Yes, it seems a lot quieter." I thought, oops.
	That's why I sent it.
	But yeah.
	So yes, you've got to be careful with situations like that.
	But one of the problems I had, right, was that when I took on this energy, it almost changed me as a person.
	I was being aggressive.
	So I went to Angelica's, went and saw Angelica, and there was a medium there.
	He said, what the hell have you done to your service?
	You're black and blue.
	And I thought, oh God, I don't know what I've done.
	And Angelica said, don't worry.
	And she took the energy out of my chakras and she replaced them.
	She did every single one.
	Spent ages spinning this thing around, trying to take the energy out and put the energy back in.
	And she worked quite hard for about 15, 20 minutes.
	And it took me nearly over a year to get over that one.
	Over a year.
	Because we still had the witch coming into our dreams.
	Chrissie had where this witch would come into her dreams trying to offer her a bracelet all the time.
	And then if Chrissie tried to put her hand out, it would go to, like, skeletons and all sorts.
	So it's quite weird.
	So you've got to be careful.
	If you're playing around with 700-year-old energy, yeah, then that was one of my triumphs, if you like.
	Not that it was.
	It was an experience and a half.
	Put it that way.
	And like I say, it took me over a year to get over it because I just, I don't know, I was just totally mentally exhausted after that.
	But now, since I've been doing a few other things, I feel a little bit more open now and a little bit more protected.
	So if I went somewhere else, I probably wouldn't worry too much about it.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	You mentioned your guides.
	Yeah.
	Can you describe them in detail when you first were introduced?
	Yeah, sure.
	I've got a few guides.
	I've got Stephan, who's in the 1700s.
	He's a monk.
	Isn't it weird the way they're sort of connected to that sort of thing, right?
	And he's French.
	Steffen.
	I keep getting Steffen.
	Steffen.
	So I'd get that.
	And then I've got another guy who's Khan, right?
	Now, Khan is a Tibetan monk.
	Now, Kirstie was taking the mickey out of me once, right, when I was talking to Chrissy about this.
	And I said, look, you've got to be careful.
	I said, if you start saying things like that, I said, you're going to end up, so I don't care, let it, oh!
	And he punched a good corner in the tummy.
	I said, I warned you.
	I said, you can't, because I know he's my guide, right?
	It's weird.
	It's like a love-hate relationship.
	and that sounds weird I mean it's unconditional love but I'm always a bit wary because he's almost like you know if you take anything in vain or if you take anything without having respect you feel like So I have great respect for my guides that are around me.
	And that's one of the things, yeah.
	Yeah, so that's all I can tell you really about that.
	Just the two guides.
	Well, I think I've got others.
	I mean, I know I've got a power animal because my dog died.
	And I've got a wolf now as a power animal.
	And apparently what I used to do is, I had a point where I had a demon at the bottom of the bed once, and it was a nasty looking thing.
	I created a white ball, and I threw this white ball, and it just disintegrated and went away.
	And this psychic picked up on it.
	And she said to me, she said, you won't need to throw any white balls anymore, she says, because you've got a power animal.
	Since your dog died, she says, you've been given a power animal of a wolf.
	Not a pack of wolves, one wolf.
	And she said that all you've got to do is send that wolf intent if you come across anything negative.
	So that was quite interesting.
	Has anyone else got any questions?
	Now I've scared the life out of you.
	Actually, I did have one thing.
	I don't know if you want to do this, but this house, this manor house, has, I guess, a few ghosts.
	And I don't know if you want to tap into that.
	Yeah.
	I'd love to do that.
	Me and my brother could always come back and we could investigate, do an investigation.
	They're trying to sell the place, so it won't be here forever.
	But I meant, you know, you're going to be here for the whole rest of the afternoon.
	Yeah, definitely.
	Because you get things being drawn in, and sometimes it's just hard to pick up on them.
	Well, you can just tap into things.
	Yeah.
	So, I do that story, I'll tell you.
	Yeah.
	And then I'd like to get your reaction.
	Okay.
	Okay, so.
	So we were traveling in Germany, and I was doing conferences.
	And we had a guy who said, oh, I've got a great place for you to do a conference.
	And it was in the middle of the country in Germany.
	So we took the train out there and everything, and the guy was there.
	and there was a woman and a man that were renting this house that was a very unusual house.
	It was sort of shaped like a...
	And it was in this old-fashioned town, stuff like that.
	And it had more than one story.
	And so we did the conference in this room that was all red velvet chairs and everything, looking quite upscale.
	And what happens was I was...
	So I was tapping into, and they were saying, well, there's a lot of stories about this house and so on and so forth.
	So I said, okay, I can tell you that there's, and it's not very nice, but there's a lot of bodies buried in the front yard.
	That's why I was getting under the ground.
	And this was from World War II.
	There was a lot of World War II stuff going on, you know, from Nazi Germany.
	And so then the woman was a German.
	And the man was actually Irish or Welsh, one of those, I think, Irish.
	And he was a big, burly guy.
	And he would like to tell ghost stories and various things.
	And anyway, so we're there, and I do the sort of lecture.
	It's a small room, but again, it has all these gilded mirrors, and it has the red chairs and all of that.
	And so what happens is then we're supposed to go to sleep at night.
	So then we went into a room and we got, Neil and I got put into the room that was the old chapel.
	So that was actually a bedroom.
	So then went to sleep or we're going to go to sleep.
	And so in the middle of the night, I felt something like sort of pinching me and tugging on my shirt or whatever.
	I guess I didn't.
	And it was a little animal.
	And even to this day, I don't know if it was my cat from America because I had a cat at the time.
	But the little animal said, beware, beware.
	And it pinched me awake.
	And I did come awake at that point and basically didn't go to sleep the rest of the night in that room.
	And then there was other things that happened in that.
	So it was, you know, you can have warnings, like not necessarily bad things, right?
	That it's going to actually give you a warning and you can either, you know, pay attention or not.
	But, um, so just saying.
	Yeah.
	And we found out that my thing about the bodies was right.
	I found out later the next day or whenever it was, um, and stuff.
	So, yeah, so it's like a little, I didn't even know what it was.
	Yeah?
	Is déjà vu a psychic experience?
	Oh yeah.
	I get déjà vu a lot.
	And I also, premonition, you know, things that I've seen in dreams, like, because I'm a precog, so that's where most of my stuff comes from, is I can see it in the future.
	One time, this is how I found out I was a precog.
	So I went to my apartment, and I went to sleep, and I had a dream that my car was towed.
	And I woke up in the morning, and I just thought, oh, that is just the most stupid dream.
	Why did I even have that dream?
	So I got up and eventually I went outside and sure enough my car was towed.
	Now, I don't know if that's with you, but I'm actually seeing this Victorian lady.
	She's got a long, sort of heavy skirt on, and I'm almost seeing her going round, coming from dark alleyways, but with a stick, and I feel like it's a protection.
	For you, although it's due to the house, but I'm just sort of getting her here.
	She's got a claw paddle.
	Now, she's very visible, but she's invisible at night, and she goes around at night sort of investigating, which is really interesting, and I keep getting that really strongly, so I just have to say it and let it know whether it's due to you or the house.
	I feel like she's good.
	I also got a very interesting thing about a priest around you, and it was not the two that you're describing, but I'm getting a Jesuit priest that has sometimes tried to put bad things, again then this Victorian woman came in there's the protection for you yeah you know I think with everyone there's temptation and everyone is
	Well, thanks for that.
	Pre-reading!
	I've heard a lot of things.
	I mean, Derek and I were in white.
	I saw a park in Midhurst in West Sussex, and we were going, I think it was two years ago, for his birthday, and we walked into this park.
	We'd never been there before, but seen it a lot.
	And I just could not settle.
	And I just kept seeing the battle.
	Do you remember?
	I couldn't set in this particular...
	I can't.
	And I said to the lady when she gave us the menu, I said, "I can't settle here.
	I have to get up and move." And I said, "Do you know anything?
	Do you know there was a battle?
	I just keep seeing swords, seeing fighting.
	I can't settle." She was very young.
	She didn't know anything about history.
	But anyway, I looked up later on and there had been battles between villages just in the car park.
	Probably right next to where we were seated.
	I do get quite a lot of energy.
	When I lived up north, I was very young and there was this house that nothing grew.
	I used to walk past it every week to go to piano lessons.
	Nobody lived there, but nothing grew.
	You'd get a house that's overgrown with ivy and things, but nothing grew, no weeds, nothing.
	And everybody used to, we used to, nobody wanted to walk past it.
	I used to get off the pavement and sort of walk into the road in those days when you're hard in cars.
	And it was, yeah, so lots of bits like that.
	I've seen a whole big angel appear in the room as well, you know, golden, sort of seven foot in the doorway.
	Matt walking down the hallway, blue and white striped trousers, pyjamas.
	I knew he was called Joe and then I checked him.
	Alright, yeah.
	It can be a shock though.
	Yeah, I know.
	It takes a while for yourself to sort of digest these things.
	I was driving one day to hairdressers.
	In Henfield, I don't know if anybody knows Henfield.
	Black dog came and hit my car.
	Nobody with it, nobody with this dog.
	It was like a big Labrador, no collar, nothing.
	And I thought, I must have killed it.
	I was absolutely shaking, got out of the car, couldn't see this dog, nothing.
	Got to the house, got my hair done, it was like shaking.
	somebody else that they have the same sort of experience?
	I don't know if anybody asks whether it's I know.
	And then I saw...
	And I think Phil Collins lives.
	He did live along there in West Sussex.
	And when I was doing a lot of psychic work, there was one time, And I see big black cats as well with amber or green eyes, you know, huge.
	I mean, pankers at the side of the road.
	I actually have a thing about space, so I will, and Neil knows me, I will go in a hotel, and if there's something wrong, I just walk right out.
	And even if we booked a room, I'll go in it and then I'll say, "No, I'm sorry, I can't stay in there." It's very difficult traveling with me, I have to tell you.
	Do you think the succubus or the incubus, by the way someone has a wet dream, is like a psychic entity that comes into your dream to steal your energy?
	Yeah.
	How do you fight those?
	You can't.
	Because the problem is they catch you when you're in conscience.
	I've actually had something like that happen to me.
	And it's almost like they're the vampires of the night, aren't they?
	But they draw in your energy.
	And if you're talking about, it's the essence of you, isn't it?
	That they're taking.
	Because it's like that energy.
	So it's a bit of a dark one, that one.
	Well, you can actually find things like that.
	I think so.
	You have to learn to do that.
	Yeah.
	So you have to try to wake yourself up, surround yourself with white light, sort of get into a different headspace.
	And also you can tell the thing to leave.
	Yeah.
	They catch you while you're in a dream.
	Yeah.
	And then you're dreaming something, so you're enjoying where the dream is, so you don't actually know.
	So by then they've almost got you, haven't they?
	That's the problem.
	I was a bit abrupt by that, but you are right.
	If you wear an amulet, a talisman, a bible by the bed, anything like that, crystal, salt lamps which can ward things off.
	There are certain things you can buy which are like guardian talismans which you can put on your front door.
	And what it does, anything negative that comes into your room will convert to positive.
	It will just expel it immediately.
	And again, it's your belief, isn't it?
	It's like if you're unconditionally wanting that to happen, then you've allowed them a doorway, a psychic link.
	And that's the problem.
	That's why I said that you can't.
	Because once you've created that doorway, like that subconscious, you've opened yourself up to it.
	So that's why you've got to be rigid to what you think.
	Because if you're not careful, you can actually create that psychic door.
	Because a lot of people will go into a clearing in the house, right?
	And it'll be great.
	And then they go and watch Ghost Hunters and God knows what, bringing it all back into the house again.
	So you think, well, why?
	If you don't want it, then don't put it on TV.
	Because you've psychically allowed it back in again, subconsciously.
	And that's what you've got to be careful with.
	Just the same as if you've got a Ouija board, right?
	A Ouija board opens up a port, you create an energy.
	Well, so do angel cards.
	Angel cards are just the same.
	It's just you don't know So you've got to be really careful with that as well.
	About your intention as well, so if you find you're getting troubles in the night, you Definitely.
	You know, be divine about things.
	Put out the love, put out the protection and call on the protection.
	Information.
	You can create information so I will be protected, I will be okay.
	Nothing will harm me.
	Things like that are really powerful because you create an intent.
	For me, protection is everything.
	If you're opening yourself up, it all depends what you want.
	If you want to attract demons and things, fair enough.
	But, you know, that's your choice.
	But I've always been a light worker.
	I work just for the light.
	I completely protect myself for everything.
	And I'll tell you something.
	When my ex-husband left, and I was left with a lot of work, I actually helped to bring water birth through.
	I was one of the first people to do a water birth.
	And when he left, I had not just a business to run and a baby, but I had the physical work, which I'm not very physically.
	Strong.
	And I had a friend that I perceived was letting me down.
	And I was in a traumatic state anyway, going back, you know, over 30 years.
	And I got angry.
	And I sent negative vibes to this person's stomach.
	I didn't think I was doing anything wrong.
	The next day he phoned up, you know, he phoned up and he said, I'm really sorry, I can't come and help you.
	I've had stomach pains all night.
	And I realised at that moment I had done that.
	And so from that moment on, I've been very careful of the thoughts I've had.
	If I'd have known that that would have happened, I would never have intentionally done that, but I didn't realise that thoughts are real in that way.
	But something else happened, and, oh, God, I was at this concert with this band.
	I was sitting at the back, very back row.
	It was quite a big place.
	I was right at the back.
	With a friend and at one point I went to dance at the front and this guy tapped me on the shoulder and I said, "I'm sorry, am I in your way of the band?" He said, "No, I fancy you." And I thought, "Oh my God." Anyway, when the band finished, he came up and he was chatting to me.
	I was very polite to him, but I wanted to get away as soon as possible.
	So I went back, went and sat next to my friend, and at one point the guy walked around, he saw both of us together, and walked out.
	The next day me and the friend were meant to be going to a really important concert where we'd got very good tickets, we'd spent a lot of money on it, and we were invited to the backstage party and everything, so it was going to be a big event.
	And what happened during that night, in the middle of the night, I didn't actually wake up, but I was aware that there was a being there pulling out an arrow in my head.
	Very aware of that.
	The next day my friend phones up and says, I've got terrible migraine, I can't make the concert.
	And it was only afterwards that I realised that this guy must have come round and he'd obviously intentionally or unintentionally thrown arrows, daggers at us.
	But of course if you protect yourself, which I had done, you are protected.
	And I think that All you have to do is ask Source, God, or Archangel Michael for protection.
	I've always brought my son up.
	Whatever happens you always ask Archangel Michael for protection but you know I personally would rather work with ascended masters and angelic forces, but that's my choice.
	I don't think it's good for you anyway.
	Sometimes you just get caught off guard, like when I did that thing spinning around too late and it's already gone.
	I know, I'm terrible for it.
	24 /7.
	24 /7, just protect me.
	And whenever I get in my car, you know, Archangel Michael, just protect me please.
	I've noticed the more light you carry and the higher you vibrate, the more you attract all sorts.
	You get attacked, don't you?
	Yeah, definitely.
	But you don't have to focus on that level.
	Well, you don't know, but I think also something that helps is, like, experience and strength of character.
	I've noticed the people that don't get attacked are all quite strong people in their character and their being, and, you know.
	So I think experience is helpful really.
	I have to say when I was 17, And I went to the Essay, the Spiritualist Association of Great Britain, and I thought, yeah, life and death makes sense to me.
	And I knew my great-grandmother absolutely loved me, and I loved her, and I knew that love didn't die.
	And it made sense to me that...
	But I just put out, I said, look, I need proof.
	You know, I'm a sceptical believer kind of thing.
	And maybe a couple of weeks later, she literally manifested in front of me.
	It frightened the life out of me, but I got my proof.
	And I just said, never do that again.
	And they've only done it when I've But, yeah, so that was a bit frightening for me.
	and I've had other things as well.
	But I don't particularly...
	So I just get protective of them.
	But, you know, everybody's obviously different.
	So maybe some wrap-up comments, if you would like.
	Yeah, well, basically, as you said, do some protection.
	I think that's very important.
	I'm actually not...
	And the next minute I would see it, or my son would see it, my youngest son in particular, he would see something, and I'd think, oh, God, it's come from the other house.
	But then I would try and get rid of it, or I would always have a, you know, I'd just say you're going to have to go and everything else, which we'd just done, actually, with our chapel.
	We just created a golden door of protection.
	And also love and light.
	And we said if there's any beings here that don't want to be here...
	We've had to do that a lot because there's been a lot of energy lately flying around all over the place.
	Thanks anyway for listening to me.
	I really appreciate that.

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