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Feb. 24, 2025 - Project Camelot
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ROBERT DAVID STEELE UPDATE MARCH 24, 2021 BACKUP
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Hi, everyone.
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.
Very happy to be here today.
And I have Robert David Steele with me.
And we're going to have a fascinating show today, I have no doubt.
So if you took a look at the banner, which I just had up, you can see that we just made it very, very suddenly.
So there wasn't a lot of time to get.
Everything in order, but hopefully that'll work and I can edit it if necessary.
But we are live on YouTube right now.
I don't see you recording.
Are you recording?
Okay, now I am.
YouTube will be recording all of it.
I can also do some editing if necessary.
That is Zoom's recording.
So we're recording on several fronts when we do YouTube.
All right, so we're all good.
So I would...
Love to have you just start off and introduce really yourself and what you're up to, Robert, because it's really all about you right now.
Well, I was the son of an oil man.
I grew up overseas.
I had a pretty good education.
I joined the Marine Corps to round myself out, and then I became a spy.
I then went on to create the first modern American national intelligence agency, the Marine Corps Intelligence Activity.
And then I started the Open Source Intelligence Revolution, and CIA has fought me for 40 years, and I fought them, and I'm about to win.
But along the way, I became a top reviewer for nonfiction.
Over 2,000 reviews across 98 categories.
And I have to tell you, most of what I know is based on my nonfiction reading, not on having been a spy or creating a national intelligence activity.
The spies don't know very much.
They're just spending a lot of money doing bad things.
And somehow I ended up championing the truth.
9-11 was a wake-up call for me.
I published a book with 26 authors at tinywell.com forward slash 911-POTUS, P-O-T-U-S. And I kind of evolved.
And then I got linked up with Dr. Cynthia McKinney.
We got into election reform.
Then I started sponsoring a guy doing satanic pedophilia.
Then some lawyers came and paid me to create a website on Wall Street treason and crime.
And now I find myself making five movies, running 10 websites, and about to run a multi-million dollar national tour.
I have no idea how this came about.
It's an amazing thing.
Well, I think you've done some very smart moves along the way that positioned you, actually, ideally for what we're encountering right now, and in the past, really, four years.
So I think you've had a lot of practice, and you're very good at what you do.
You're a real communicator and an expert at that.
Let's talk about where things are at, as far as you know, and then we can also talk about your tour.
That's great, and I'd be happy to update everybody on the movies, because they actually tell a very important educational story.
Let me start by saying I had dinner with Juan Osevin three times last week.
And we talked about a lot of things, and the most important outcome of those dinners is that my tour, which was going to start on the 15th of June, has been redirected to start on the 15th of May so that we can be in Dallas on the 29th and 30th when Mike Flynn and Sidney Powell are speaking.
We may or may not join them, but we will be in Dallas on those dates, and we will be at Mount Rushmore on the 4th of July.
I'm sorry.
Do you want more updates?
Yeah, okay.
So my bottom line...
Yes, I absolutely do.
Having dinner with Wano Savind is not the situation we're dealing with up sufficiently.
Well, the other thing that we talked about at dinner is essentially McInerney's all wet.
He's scaring people.
I don't think he's...
Deliberately spreading misinformation.
I just don't think he has a clue.
One third of the generals are indeed unsettled and they're chicken shits.
And they're worried about their military industrial complex second jobs.
But the deal has been made at the highest level.
I think Donald Trump will be coming back.
I think everything is settled.
Everything's going to be fine.
Biden-Harris may have just signed a suicide pact together.
They're gone.
They're nothing.
And I believe the 4th of July may well be the coming to Jesus moment for America, which is why I'm very pleased to have, I'm going to have five buses and a gear truck, and I'm going to be towing a tractor that runs on water to Mount Rushmore.
And we've got 84 stops in 107 days.
Across the United States of America.
And the key people will be myself, Dr. Cynthia McKinney, Sheriff Richard Mack, and Lee Dundas, one S, although I think of her as Lee Badass, so sometimes I misspell it with two S's.
And Sasha Stone will be making a movie the whole way.
From where I sit, America's about to come into the light.
And that's the best summary I can give you.
All right.
So when you say Sasha Stone is going to be making a movie, is he going to accompany you then on the road?
He has his own bus with his own staff, including a Bulgarian gymnast.
And he's just going to have a hell of a time.
He's going to be flying a drone above the convoy.
I mean, this is nothing less than a peace caravan.
Summer of Peace 2.0.
Cynthia McKinney and I tried to do this in 2017 and we were destroyed and the timing wasn't right.
Now all the things have converged and there's no one that can stop us at this point.
But Sasha is actually running a studio bus that will be doing live streaming the whole way.
It will be doing interviews for the principals to appear elsewhere and also for our invited guests from other places.
We even have a hologram technology so that when we're on stage and we'll be on stage.
We'll be on stage for three hours interchanging musicians, house musicians, local musicians, and our speakers with their short, like, 10-minute scripts.
And we're going to do that for three hours.
And obviously, constitutional counties, faith, family, and freedom, election reform, COVID-19 truth.
Other forms of truth.
And then while the crew is breaking down the stage and loading up, we'll do an hour of basically a camera line so that people can get their picture taken with all of us.
And then we get on the bus and we move.
And we're in a new hotel by midnight every night.
And then in the morning, there are sessions where Sheriff Mack trains sheriffs.
Cynthia McKinney does power cell training for county power cells so that we bring people together regardless of their party.
Lee Dundas and I will do a Truth for Life sessions.
And then we're negotiating with someone where very, very uplifting stuff might come in.
So we do these three tracks.
Everybody kind of gets an orientation where the tour is.
And then you have a plenary session in which everybody just discovers their inner angels.
I mean, a huge consciousness-raising exercise.
I think this is the Beatles meet Woodstock meet Graham on a Harley.
This is just...
Nobody's ever done this before that I know of.
Well, it certainly doesn't sound like they have.
So if I can understand, you go to a city and you, what, do you go to a certain area of the city and set up your vans or whatever these things are, these house trailers?
And, you know, it's like the circus comes to town.
I mean, how do you set up meetings ahead of time?
We're actually trying to hunt down and hire Trump's event manager.
Because right now, we were expecting audiences of 1,000.
Now we're being told we're looking at 3,000 to 15,000, depending on the place.
In St. Louis, we're looking at 15,000 people.
In smaller towns, I would be quite happy with 500 to 1,000.
Because millions are going to be watching this as Sasha livestreams it.
And we do video interviews and so forth.
This is going to be a global event.
Where we go one, we go all is about all of us worldwide, not just about Americans.
Now, as far as venues go, we had looked at Home Depot.
We had looked at high schools.
Right now, it looks like we're settling on minor league baseball stadiums and not necessarily in the stadium, but in the parking lot of the stadium.
And I mean, I never thought I'd have to be sitting here calculating how many porta parties.
Porta-potties per thousand people.
But that's what my day was like today.
Finalizing the tour and thinking about porta-potties.
I don't think we're going to lack for money.
We are trying to raise money.
We need to raise basically...
$15,000 a night for this.
And we're on track.
We've got two people that have given $50,000 and $100,000.
And so I think I'm going to make my $1.5 million minimum that I need for this.
And if we get more, then we'll do billboards, we'll do advertising, and we'll do stuff.
And this is all about America having a come-to-Jesus meeting in which we decide the 1% no longer run the country.
All right.
So your message is...
You know, because I was just going to ask you, what is your message?
And you're kind of saying it's that the 1% no longer run the country.
So let's just sort of diagram this out.
So you go to an arena.
You need a stage.
You need mics.
You need broadcast speakers.
That's what we have a gear truck and a crew for.
So are they going to go ahead of you and set up?
Or are they going to, you know, you're going to be there while they set up?
They'll be, they'll ride with the caravan in part because we will have security front and back.
We may also have motorcyclists front and back.
I mean, I'm talking to, I'm reaching out to Rolling Thunder.
I had my Forrest Gump moment speaking to Rolling Thunder in front of the Lincoln Memorial a couple years ago.
That was a really great honor.
And I think very highly of Rolling Thunder.
And I was in Vietnam as a kid, and I'm very familiar with the POW and MIA situation.
There's also Bikers for Trump, but this convoy is not about Trump.
This convoy is about beyond Trump.
It's about restoring power to the public.
Seventy percent of the public is disenfranchised by the two-party tyranny.
My goal in life is to terminate the Republican and the Democratic parties and to have a Congress in 2022 that is one-fifth libertarian, one-fifth independent, one-fifth other small parties such as the Constitution and Green parties, and one-fifth Sondranistas replacing the Democrats, and one-fifth Trumpers replacing the treasonous Republican Party.
Nobody in the Republican Party, including Rand Paul, deserves a penny from anybody.
In fact, one of our sub-messages is stop the green.
And we put dollar signs around the green so the morons will understand it's not about climate change.
Nobody should give a penny to any politician.
As long as the system is rigged, and President Trump is absolutely right, the system is rigged, and until you unrig it with the Election Reform Act that Cynthia McKinney and I have pulled together based on reviewing the work of thousands of others, instant runoffs, paper ballots counted publicly on site, end of corporate money.
Public debates, including third parties, cabinet-level debates, balanced budget presented in advance of the presidential election.
There's a whole range of things, including free media and Election Day as a holiday, free public transport on Election Day.
We put a stake in the heart of electronic voting, which is a completely fraudulent endeavor, and we put a stake in the heart of all the fake ballots, which were a very big part of how the election was stolen.
And it wasn't just stolen from President Trump.
Senator Warner in Virginia stole his seat from the gate, from the veteran, the amputee veteran, who was running at 57% until the fraudulent system kicked in.
So senators stole their seats.
Members of Congress stole their seats.
Hashtag unrigged election reform is a foundation, but the larger message is constitutional counties and faith, family, and freedom and an end to federal income tax.
An end to the ability of the federal government to borrow, to print, or to tax.
Money needs to come from the county, a portion of the state, which apportions it to the federal government.
We smash the federal government back into a very small box.
And we focus on the truth.
I mean, the truth about COVID-19, which is a fake pandemic with toxic vaccines that sterilize women and kill old people, this is just...
This is just appalling.
So we've got people like Dr. Tenpenny and Pan Popper and others.
And I think it's going to go very well.
Okay, so you feel confident about your message, apparently.
Well, the message is still being scripted.
Because remember now, I'm the only person that's financially and legally liable for this whole thing.
Everybody else is my guest.
All right?
But Sasha Stone and others are crafting what is, in essence, a massive theatrical performance in which there will be 84 acts, and at each act, you'll have different actors.
You'll have the core four.
In fact, can I show you our graphic?
Sure.
Let me show you our graphic, just so people can get a quick sense of this.
These are the core people that are going to be on the bus for the whole way.
Actually, each one of us has our own bus.
So Sasha Stone will have a production team with him.
Cynthia McKinney will have the musicians.
Including the music director.
I will have the tour manager and the Roughnecks that set up the crew and everything.
Sheriff Mack will be the boys bus and Lee Dundas will be the girls bus.
And she'll probably have her husband and her personal assistant with her.
I expect Sheriff Mack to have a couple of other sheriffs.
So it's called the Resurrection Tour.
And it's about constitutional counties, faith, family and freedom.
This is about to change.
It's actually 84 venues and it still is 107 days.
And it's one chance.
And this is the tour map, which has just been slightly modified.
And here, we're really proud of this.
This is Mount Rushmore honoring John F. Kennedy and Donald Trump.
And the hashtag is AriseUSA.
We've got a bus wrap that is going to knock people's socks off.
And we have banners.
We're going to have downloadable flyers in a day or so.
And you're going to start seeing these flyers appear all over the country.
All right.
Now, when exactly does this start?
It starts the 15th of May.
And people can go to BigBatUSA.org where we have the tour in very specific detail posted.
We just updated it.
So tomorrow we will have the new final updated tour.
I added about 10 stops.
And the reason I did that was because I want everybody in bed by midnight every night.
So we're not, even though the buses have eight bunks each, those are kind of for a little cubby for nap times.
Everybody gets a room with a shower, a private room with a shower every night.
And then we do hotel meetings in the morning.
We have lunch with local leaders.
Then we do our event from 2 to 4, and the crew is setting up while we're doing our morning meetings and having lunch.
And then we do our three-hour show, and then we do a one-hour kind of rat line.
Shaking hands and taking pictures.
And we do that so that the crew has time to break down.
And then we're on the bus at 6 o'clock, and I'm trying to keep every leg under four hours.
Okay, what do you mean by you're going to have performers?
80 performers?
I mean, I'm not sure I understand that.
Well, I'm a performer.
Sheriff Mack is a performer.
Cynthia McKinney is a performer.
Dr. Tenpenny is a performer.
Pam Popper is a performer.
Now, there will be some people, every stop will be like the four core players with maybe two or three people that fly in.
Plus two or three locals.
For example, I'm thinking about putting a libertarian on every single stage if I can find some sane libertarians that aren't associated with the corrupt libertarian party leadership.
I want people to understand that libertarians and independents are not getting a fair shake.
And Sandrinistas are not getting a fair shake.
And in fact, I just finished negotiating this.
We're about to do a contract for this hat with an embroidered eagle in multiple colors.
So Trumpers can come in a red hat, and Sandrinistas can come in a blue hat, and Constitution, gold, independent, white, libertarians, brown, green, green.
And we're trying to attract everybody, which is why Cynthia McKinney is so important.
And my ultimate vision...
Is the Trumpers and the Sondrenistas, the populists of the left and the right, come together with the libertarians and the independents.
They all have group sex and they create little red, white, and blue babies.
Okay?
This is about killing the parties.
People, not parties.
Authentic, inclusive, and truthful.
And that's a line that Cynthia McKinney and I developed when we were on the first tour in 2017. All right, so...
In notifying the cities, you notify the city halls or the governors, etc., that you're coming to town.
Is that the process?
Well, first off, I hire people to do that stuff.
And we've got a tour manager, we've got a publicist manager, we've got a publicist manager.
Okay, I don't bother myself with those details.
We are giving every governor and every mayor one chance to be on stage with us.
And the half that welcome us will be re-elected.
The half that do not welcome us will probably not be re-elected.
This is huge.
Okay.
You don't sound very enthusiastic.
Sorry?
You don't sound very enthusiastic.
I don't actually, I don't really have an opinion because I'm not familiar with this sort of thing.
You know, I don't participate or I haven't in the past in normal, you know, so-called mainstream politics.
So I see that this has some shades of that, but you're trying to go at it in a different way, which interests me.
This isn't about politics.
This is about civics.
All right.
But you're trying to reach people about waking up to the situation, right?
Yes, and we originally thought about calling this the Great Awakening Caravan, and we turned away from that.
I think resurrection is more appropriate.
We've talked to some of the Bible groups, and they've talked about how there's a huge new interest in renewal and revival across America.
But resurrection for me is the resurrection of faith, family, and freedom in the United States of America.
And what that means is nothing less than putting down the deep state and the shadow government.
And the shadow government is the secret intelligence agencies that are out of control, combined with the two-party tyranny that is fronting for the deep state.
There's nothing wrong with America that can't be fixed and fixed quick by putting all Americans back into government.
OK, so now Trump came out not that long ago, and I think he was being asked if the Republican Party was going to be dissolved.
And he actually said, you know, no, that the Republican Party was alive and helpful and well.
And so what do you say to that when you're asking me that question?
I'll give you an answer, Carrie.
First off, Donald Trump is a genius and a master troller.
The Republican Party is a state sponsor of terrorism.
It is a sick, demented criminal activity exceeded only by the Democratic Party.
The Republican Party has been cheating the public.
All of their money collected for Stop the Steal, they haven't spent a dime on election fraud investigations or election reform activities.
The Republican Party is a thief of the first order.
As is the Democratic Party.
So when President Trump says something like that, he's trolling.
Dan Schultz, a lawyer, West Pointer, spent years trying to get President Trump to focus on the fact that 50% of the precinct seats in the Republican Party are vacant, and the Republican Party, which is run by Mitt Romney through his relative, okay, and Romney is an alleged money launderer of laundering money from child trafficking.
For the Mormon Church, which sells children as a cash crop, at least several cults of it do, for $50,000.
Great cash crop.
No birth certificates.
Nobody misses the kids.
Polygamy is profitable.
So the bottom line here is that Trump is, President Trump, my beloved President Trump, is trolling.
The Republican Party is dead as a doornail.
And so is the Democratic Party now.
From the ashes of the Republican Party should rise some form of Tea Party Trumpism deplorables.
And from the ashes of the Sandronista, who were betrayed by Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders...
Is a piece of crap who sold out to the Democrats years ago and has been pretending to be an independent all these years.
The Sandrinistas are populists of the left.
They need to come together with populists of the right.
And it's absolutely no question in my mind that we can create a vibrant Congress that makes evidence-based decisions in the public interest.
And I want Sandrinistas, Libertarians, and Independents, and Greens.
On that chamber floor, together with the Trumpers.
This is not about Trump.
This is about we the people coming back into power.
Okay, I appreciate that.
But first of all, you haven't heard my last two interviews that I did, in which I talked actually fairly extensively about just what you're saying, the Republican Party, the staunch old foundation that actually is backing Trump as long as he supports their agenda.
No, that's incorrect.
They've never backed Trump.
They were in Las Vegas, let's put it that way.
And they were in evidence there.
You're being misled.
All right.
Whatever you think they do, I don't care whether they back him or they didn't back him or whatever.
I'm just talking about what he has to basically...
Do something because he is backing vaccines.
His whole platform is a Republican old guard platform.
So if he is so, you say he's trolling, what the hell does that mean?
I mean, the bottom line is the guy either has to come out against these things that are poisoning the world or he's not.
He's either in bed with Big Pharma or he's not.
He's out of office.
He doesn't have to kiss anyone's ass.
You know, you're just completely on another level and you're not tuned in at all.
To what?
To what exactly?
First off, Trump is the legally elected president from 2020. I completely agree.
He's president of the republic, not the corporation.
I get it.
Very candidly, Kerry, you understand that stuff better than I do.
I'm not going anywhere near the corporation, even though I do publicize Zanoban rights, and I respect her enormously.
Well, I've had to learn about it.
Trump is the legally elected president, and the military has acknowledged that at the highest levels.
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have zero access to nuclear codes or military movements.
They are simply not in charge of the military.
There are still high, non-scalable fences around the White House.
Capitol Hill.
I think Amazing Polly has done a great job of talking about this.
And Trump is not promoting the vaccines, although I absolutely agree with you.
Operation Warp Speed, if it were in fact pushing vaccines, is reprehensible and would, in my own mind, be grounds for impeaching President Trump.
But he's not.
The vaccines are not mandatory.
There's a lot of trolling going on.
This whole thing about how military have to take the vaccine in order to continue to serve, that's absolute bullshit.
That's crap.
What's happening, and Juan and I talked about this at dinner the other night, it's really, we are in the process of having our near-death experience.
And the various little things that Biden has been doing now, including all the children in cages at the border, is everyone is just kind of seeing the panorama of what life is going to be like if Donald Trump doesn't come back.
I expect him to be back in April.
Does in April mean April 1st, as has been publicized?
I'm not sure.
Juan Osavin has made bets about April 1st.
I don't think dates are hard dates because there's a lot going on.
I don't have any direct knowledge other than when I talk to Juan and a few other people, but that's indirect knowledge.
Bottom line here is that I believe in America the Beautiful.
I believe in God.
I believe in Donald Trump.
I believe in the American people.
And what I'm seeing across this country, and I think this tour is basically going to be a manifestation.
This is like a guerrilla column in support of faith, family, and freedom in President Trump.
But it's not about Trump.
It's about bringing the people back into power so that we have an honest Congress in 2022, so it doesn't matter who president is.
Okay, that's the whole point of balance of power.
What we have right now is an executive, a legislature, and a judiciary, including...
A Chief Justice of the Supreme Court that has been credibly accused by Attorney Lynn Wood of being a pedophile and involved in pedophilia blackmail.
The Supreme Court!
Okay?
So, Kerry, what I'm going to do is I'm going to take this caravan to 84 stops across this country.
We're going to have a conversation with the American public, and then we're going to get out of the way.
And, oh, by the way, it is a multi-year endeavor.
We plan to do this every year through 2024. All right.
Now, excuse me if you don't mind, I'm going to sort of challenge you here and ask you, what do you think, if you're talking about getting people into Congress, and that takes time, and you're saying, well, in 2022 or whatever.
The reality is not only this country, but the whole world is watching the United States right now.
The whole world is sort of sitting on the edge of their seats.
And I don't know if you saw the Sorcafall whole statement about Putin calling Biden out to come and do a public mano-mano speech because of some of the things that Biden has been saying about Putin.
He's not happy.
He basically was calling out the Russian military to come into this country and take it back for Trump.
I know this is just rhetoric, but the bottom line is that...
I don't believe that for a minute.
That's according to...
Look, it follows an intelligence operation, nonetheless.
It does occasionally tell you what's happening behind the scenes.
First off, I think Putin is talking to Donald Trump on a daily basis.
I'm sure he is.
I think they're friends.
It's not just that they're friends.
They respect each other.
Both of them have big brains and big balls, okay?
And the three people running the world today are Putin, Trump, and Xi Jinping, and maybe the supreme leader of Iran.
Look, Biden is probably dead.
I agree.
He's probably being played by actors.
And the person that fell three times the other day, that was in the script.
Okay?
We're in a WrestleMania drama here.
And I'm not going to worry about it.
Look, we're in God's hands.
I'm doing what Robert Steele is capable of doing.
It turns out Robert Steele is capable of doing a multi-million dollar bus tour.
So that's what I'm going to do.
And I'm going to let the chips fall where they were.
At the end of the day, this is not about Donald Trump.
The greatest meme I've ever seen on Trump is they're not after me.
They're after you.
I'm just in the way.
This is about you.
This is about every single American getting their head out of their ass and demanding power again.
Okay, now let me ask you, when you go on the road and you're on the road, are you expecting to have dialogues with people?
Are you going to have just speakers?
How are you going to deal with crowds that may have challenging questions like I do?
That's a wonderful question, Carrie.
Thank you.
Well, first off, we'll be doing as many interviews as we can get from the road.
Okay?
And Jimmy Schwinn will be organizing our interview calendar.
We're starting with Charlie Ward and several others in the next week.
And basically, each of the principals plus each of the supporting principals, like Tenpenny and others.
I mean, Tenpenny is the greatest thing I've ever seen.
Yes, I agree.
And plus she looks like, you know, grandma.
And I just love that about her.
So all of these people are going to be organized into interviews.
We're also refusing all invitations to speak during the tour.
If you want us to speak during the tour, you can come to the tour.
Or we can drop in virtually.
We're not going to scatter our energy by flying to other places when we're doing an 84-stop tour in the country.
And we're going to have discipline.
Now, in terms of dialogues, the best dialogues will be Cynthia McKinney's Power Cell meetings in the morning in the hotels and Sheriff Max training sessions for the sheriffs.
And then Lee Dundas and I will be doing Truth for Life meetings, in which we talk about.
What is the truth?
How do you get to the truth?
What does the truth mean to you as a community?
Then we do our show.
And the show is intended for thousands to appreciate.
And I learned from Rolling Stone.
So we'll be intermixing our own musicians, local musicians.
We've got some of the world's greatest saxophonist and trombonist coming with us.
On this thing.
This is going to be raucous.
And the Battle Hymn of the Republic will be blaring from the buses as we go down the road.
You know, I mean, there's just so much drama in a positive way that's going to come out of this.
So the three-hour show will be intended for thousands with no dialogue.
There's also My Patriots Network has got forums now set up for every single county.
And so people are encouraged to go in and have civic dialogues.
And I think that between the hotel, the event, the interviews, and My Patriots Network, what you're going to see is the beginning of a national conversation.
And I have absolutely no interest in guiding or controlling that national conversation.
I just wanted to start.
Okay, with that in mind, now I want to ask you one of the most important questions, and that has to do with the alternative media.
So I'm going to assume, because you're part of the alternative media, that you're going to be inviting alternative media people to participate, to be in these sessions, to be able to ask good questions, etc., and also report on your progress of your caravan, whatever you want to call it.
And then at the same time, I also, part of that question has to do with the fact that if Trump is coming back on April 1st or sometime in April, I am an alternative journalist, I have credentials as a journalist, and I want to be invited to his press conferences.
In other words, what the biggest mistake he made, in my opinion, is when he couldn't reach the mainstream, he never tried to reach.
The alternative press, other than using Q, which a lot of people didn't pay attention to.
So you've got your hard, hardcore Trumpers, bless their hearts, and they followed Q, okay?
I think Q was brilliant.
I have no issue with Q whatsoever, but it did not reach.
The people that are in the alternative media that are what you might call sort of in other disciplines, and they're not heavy-duty Trumpers, and they don't want to try to discern what Q really means, and they're not interested in following a mystery.
So this is the problem, okay?
They never deal with the real...
Alternative media.
And there are plenty of credentialed people like me out there, people that have incredible platforms.
I think when Juan O'Savin had his meeting in Vegas, he opened the door to us, which was to his credit, but then he didn't do anything with it.
And I've got criticisms about that.
So what do you have to say about alternative journalists letting them in the door instead of just pandering to the mainstream that won't pay attention anyway?
First off, I expect the press, we may not even use the White House again.
I mean, there's every possibility that Washington's going to be broken up.
I'm sure of it, but we can all go to Florida just as easily.
Look, I think you're overstating the importance of the alternative media.
President Trump is speaking to the public directly, and my bus caravan would certainly welcome alternative media to show up at the events.
Our buses are too crowded to give media a ride.
We will not be providing rides for media.
But we will provide...
I'm sure the media can afford a car.
I don't think that's the issue.
The bottom line is the media will have a privileged position with us in the sense that we'll give them interviews.
I mean, I, for example, turned down an interview from foreign policy.
This puppy...
Wanted to interview me over the phone so she could cherry pick my quotes.
And I said to her, no.
I said, you have two ways you can interview me.
You can send me written questions that I will answer in writing with the right to publish my answers.
Or you can interview me on a Zoom that I record so that I can publish the whole thing after you do your cherry picking bullshit.
And she basically never called back.
So the alternative media will get as many interviews with us as they want, and you're just going to be blown away when you see Sasha's program.
Imagine 85 stops with four principals and four supporting players for every single stop, and they're all changing all along the way.
What we're talking about is what used to be called a Chautaqua, which is a traveling caravan of educators.
That basically goes into every town and offers free homeschooling, if you will, or a free town hall educational session.
So in any case, I'm not here to help the alternative media connect with President Trump.
I don't think he needs any help.
However, I do think that if, for instance, if he were to reoccupy the White House, he already knows that I've recommended that he get the press completely out of the White House.
And deal with them by video.
Push the press back to the National Press Club.
Put the press secretary over there.
And the alternative media is welcome to submit video inquiries.
And the plan right now, in my own mind, is to provide exclusive video answers to the people who submit video questions.
And they get those for 24 hours.
And then it goes into the ether.
All right.
Listen, in a free society, the media represents the people.
And in this society, the mainstream media was completely bought off and controlled by the Illuminati wisely because they became part of a propaganda machine that to this day is programming the masses.
You cannot overstate the importance of the alternative media.
To represent the grassroots and the people.
If you're all about the people, then the first platform you should be concerned about is inviting in the real media.
The people that have investigated from day one.
But if I were President Trump, you would have a very hard time giving 30 minutes with me.
Why?
The bottom line is you're over-representing your importance.
I represent the people.
How can I over-represent them?
You don't represent 300 million Americans.
I have a YouTube channel with 70 million viewers.
70 million.
Okay, Robert?
That's as many people as voted for Trump.
Minus 10 million.
I would say that that's pretty fucking important.
And I think undercutting the alternative media, and we're talking about a vast Everything that isn't mainstream, which mainstream is like this, the alternative is like this.
So what you're missing is that we represent the people.
And our platforms are huge.
And if you don't get that, then you're living in the dark ages.
You know, you just don't get it, Carrie.
The people need to talk to each other.
I rest my case.
The people need to talk to each other.
You want to see my chat room right now?
No, I have no interest in the chat room because you don't represent me.
You've interviewed me so many times I can't count.
I value you very much.
I think you represent an extraordinary, unique, extraordinary slice of knowledge.
You represent an extraordinary group.
It's not just about me.
It's about all the journalists.
It's about all the people.
Even Sasha Stone is one of us.
Okay, and you've got him, I don't know what you're doing, you know, leading your tour or whatever.
You know, in other words, don't, you know, you're really actually not doing yourself any favors by putting down the importance of the media that represents the people at the grassroots level.
I say this again, try to understand it.
The alternative media is valuable.
It does not represent we the people.
Okay, exactly who represents we the people?
If it's not the alternative and if it's not the mainstream, who is it?
A part of we the people, don't you understand?
A group of people that don't have platforms, that can't speak out, that can't communicate?
Individuals represent themselves.
Yes, and they represent themselves.
They vote with their feet and they come to us.
Okay?
And the numbers are clear.
The numbers speak for themselves.
I don't even have to talk any further about it.
Okay, let's move on, okay?
But I have to say you're going to have to adjust your platform and you're going to see the wisdom of my words in the very near future.
Nonetheless...
Moving on.
So you're going to go around the country, you're going to try to educate people, and you've got a certain number of people that you've selected to be the educators.
So let's talk about who those people are.
So we know it's new, and Cynthia McKinney, and so do you have a list for us yet?
Have you invited all the speakers yet?
I think that's happening this week.
Okay, so I think the people, you know, that are watching this are going to be very interested to see your list of speakers.
Yes, and they can all go to bigbatusa.org.
They don't need you to see my list of speakers.
Well, no, but you're on my show and I'm helping you promote your tour.
I understand that, Carrie, but I think you're really disrespecting the American people in this way that you want to put yourself in as an intermediary.
Oh, God.
I am about the people.
That's all Project Camelot has done all these years.
And this is 16 years, even longer than you have been in the public eye.
Back when you were a CIA agent.
Officer, not agent.
Orchestrating false flags for the government.
What a false flag.
We were exposing people like you.
So let's, you know, if you want to go mano a mano with me, I'll do it.
Yeah, I do.
You let me know when you've been a spy, you've created a National Intelligence Activity Center.
I don't think, I wouldn't say being a spy is something that you've been credited with.
And you have been fighting the CIA mano a mano for 40 years.
You don't even go close.
I mean, my record is clear.
It's public.
In fact, the people know what I'm about and what I've done.
Okay, so let's move on.
Aside from the fact that you don't really think there's much to our platform as alternative media, you want to go down to individuals who don't have any representative.
No temptation whatsoever except for congresspeople that lie to them, senators that lie to them, and people that are politicians by nature, yes-men, yes-women, people that have sold their soul by and large.
That doesn't mean to say there's not some good people out there, and I hope you're going to have them in your caravan.
I'm sure you will.
But, you know, I appreciate your effort, Robert, and I am glad to have you here.
I don't think that you're going to benefit by putting down alternative media.
I don't think that's going to be...
Put down alternative media.
I don't know what's happened to you today, but you're completely missing the boat here.
What's the boat?
I'll just list some alternative media I pay attention to.
Great.
So, amazing, Polly.
Charlie Ward, Simon Parks.
I love X-22.
I love the Sergeant Report.
I read State of the Nation.
I read Martin Armstrong.
I read Charles Hugh Smith.
But your point seems to be they don't represent the people.
That's your point?
They represent themselves.
No, you have no right to say you represent the people, nor do I. Are you kidding?
Yes, I am serious.
You don't have a right to say that you represent the people.
You represent yourself.
No, I represent the people that support my work.
I wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for donations.
Sorry?
How many donations have you received in the last year?
Enough to stay alive.
Okay, good.
So you represent those.
And for the last 16 years, my whole platform is funded by the people.
I'm really disappointed the way this has gone, but you're not understanding that you don't represent grandma riding a Harley in Iowa.
Are you sure?
Because a lot of grandmas write to me.
Well, that's great.
Every single one of them.
You maybe are a touchstone for them.
You're not their elected representative.
You're not their appointed representative.
It's right to me.
Grandma's right to me.
Ex-military, current military, you name it.
I have so many emails, I can't count them.
All right, let's take this away from you versus me and talk about...
I'm simply telling you, I don't make any pretension of representing anybody.
Okay.
In a free society, do you agree that a free and open media is absolutely crucial to having a free country?
Yes, but it doesn't represent the people.
That doesn't make any sense.
Well, let me unpack it for you.
The truth is essential to an informed, engaged democracy.
All of our institutions are broken.
The universities are lying to us.
The government is lying to us.
The labor unions are lying to us.
The churches are lying to us, particularly the Christian evangelicals, the leaders of the Christian evangelicals.
The governments at all three levels are lying to us.
Most elected and appointed officials have been bribed, brainwashed, or blackmailed.
Okay?
All of these institutions.
Now, the solution is a combination of 100% citizen participation in informed civic dialogue and the truth.
Now, I certainly don't claim to have a grip on the truth, and I certainly don't claim to represent the public.
I think it's a height of arrogance or naivete to suggest that you own the truth or that you represent the public.
You don't.
All you can do is encourage the public to have a conversation.
When you have a platform, let's say, okay, let's say, does Cynthia McKinney represent her constituency?
I have to let her answer that.
I would say Cynthia McKinney doesn't in any way claim to represent anybody except Cynthia McKinney.
Okay, so she's a congressperson, isn't that right?
She was.
All right.
And so you say our Congress people don't represent the people.
I would say that's currently true.
So what do we need them for?
If they don't represent us, then why do we need them?
They should all be fired, including Rand Paul.
Why are you all about getting people to run in 2022?
Because I want the people to have an honest Congress.
Now, there's the whole issue.
of whether you have delegated representation or whether you have direct democracy.
Now, we're a republic.
The states are sovereign, and that has been watered down.
The senators need to go back to being representatives of the states.
I don't think the 16th and 17th Amendments were ever properly ratified.
And I know that President Trump has been thinking, according to third parties, intermediaries, about a constitutional convention.
And there are a lot of things that need to be strengthened, such as the First, Second, and Fourth Amendments.
There are some amendments that need to be reinforced or modified.
And there are some amendments that need to be overturned, such as the 16th and 17th Amendment.
There's a lot of hard work to be done.
And it is not going to be done by self-appointed representatives of the people.
It's going to be done by the people at the county level.
And that's why county sheriffs are so important.
They're able to tell the state and local and federal governments to back off.
It's the people of the land on the county with their legal authority.
The county sheriff is the highest legal law enforcement in the county.
And they have the authority to tell others, including state police and federal FBI people and others.
To get out of their county.
So, okay, these are elected officials and you're telling me, and most of them are bought off, and you're telling me these people are the only representatives of the people.
So the press is absolutely beside the point.
If somebody comes, if I go film a demonstration and I post it on Facebook or wherever, whatever social media platform I possibly can get it on.
What I'm doing is I am having a dialogue with the people in order to mirror them, in order to get their word out.
If I go interview them, which is what I do, I interview the grassroots, I interview people all over the world, and I get their word out.
When I say I'm representing the people, I'm allowing the people to speak through me because I interview them, just as I'm doing with you.
I allow them to have a platform to reach.
Hundreds of thousands of people.
And that is very vital, okay?
Because otherwise, you stay in your own private Idaho's and you don't communicate and you don't have any power.
So I don't consider my sheriff or a sheriff to be someone I automatically would trust, never in a thousand years.
In fact, most law enforcement I would consider to be my enemy because most of them are basically oppressing us, following rules that are put down by the Illuminati and the people that have the wealth and the old Republicans that you're talking about and so on.
They are supported by those people.
They kiss those people's ass.
They let somebody, when they come and they take somebody, a cop pulls over a rich person's car, they let them get by.
That person doesn't have to pay a ticket.
When they pull over a poor person...
Then they harass them.
They make them get out of the car and so on.
We know how people in so-called positions of authority do not represent the people.
One good Sheriff Mack does not a whole huge world make.
It's largely useless.
Is there something you want to do as we close out?
Okay.
Let's go back to your platform and what you want to say without attacking alternative media.
Let's get beyond that and let's talk about what it is you want to say when you hit the road in these various states and will your message change depending on which state you go to?
Now that's a very good question because there are nine different cultural areas in the United States from Dixie.
To the Foundry, to the Northeast, to the Tex-Mex.
There are nine different areas in the country.
And one of the things we're looking at is how do you respect the cultural heritage for each of those nine regions?
For example, I despise the jackass, corrupt governor of Virginia who is in the process of desecrating Confederate memorials.
This is an obscenity.
It's a crime against humanity.
So yes, our message will be fine-tuned for the different nine nations.
We'll probably change the musicians that drop in for the nine nations.
We will certainly change some of the speakers.
For example, in the West, we'll have farmers and water rights people.
In the East and the South, we'll probably have some different mix and match people.
Someone else, Sasha Stone, is in charge of kind of creating that choreography.
All I'm doing is raising the money and putting together a caravan and essentially delivering this.
It's nothing more than a conversation starter.
In fact, when Cynthia McKinney and I put together the Election Reform Act, we took great pains to say this is not a take-it-or-leave-it Election Reform Act.
It's simply a starting point for a national conversation.
I don't represent anybody.
I don't tell anyone what to do.
All I want them to do is talk to each other.
And the reason that Cynthia McKinney and I matter is because you won't find another white, alt-right, former spy Male, linked up with an alt-left, female, Black, former congresswoman anywhere else on the planet.
And what we're trying to do is bring the populace of the left, the populace of the right, together with libertarians and independents and say, enough.
Don't give another penny to any politician of any party until the Election Reform Act is passed at the national and state levels.
That's our minimum demand.
Okay.
Well, then you should welcome this interview and the dialogue we're having because this is a conversation and one that you're probably going to have going on the road as well.
All right.
I want to thank you for coming on the show.
I want to thank you for doing all the efforts you do to awaken people.
I hope that you can understand that we may have a different point of view here, but that each of us has something valid to contribute.
So thank you again for being on the show.
BigBatUSA.org.
All right.
Thanks for watching, everyone.
Take care.
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