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Aug. 21, 2024 - Project Camelot
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MARISA ACOCELLA CARTOONIST-GRAPHIC NOVELIST- PODCASTER
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Thank you.
Thank you.
I have Maria Akachela with me.
She's thrilled to be doing the Divine Mother Earth Time with Laura Eisenhowers.
So she's a co-host with Laura Eisenhower, and they both interviewed me, I think, a week or two ago.
And so, hi, Marissa, and it's great to have you here.
Hi, Carrie.
I'm so thrilled and honored to be here with you because I followed your career and I've watched so many of your videos and I've learned so much from you and you've enlightened me and inspired me for so many, many years, more years than I care to admit.
Okay.
All right.
Well, thank you.
I appreciate that.
Now, I have read your The Big Shebang.
One and graphic novel and it's it's absolutely fabulous.
The especially the drawings, paintings, whatever you call them.
So graphics are amazing.
And I wanted to really kind of start off with what got you on this path?
How did you start Well, first of all, I'm going to start way back when.
Basically, my mother was a shoe designer.
And obviously you've gone very far with it.
So can you tell us about that?
Sure.
Well, first of all, I'm going to start way back when.
Basically, my mother was a shoe designer.
When she was pregnant with me, she got a phone call at her office from Jackie Kennedy, who was looking for someone to design her shoes for her.
Jackie was a size 11.
And my mother was a size 11 and said, well, we could commiserate.
And my mother actually designed Jackie's shoes for JFK's inauguration.
So, yeah, which was really interesting.
Jackie was pregnant with John John.
My mom was pregnant with me.
You know, when I was, you know, my mother was freelancing after giving birth and she would draw shoes and to imitate her, I would draw and I would also draw shoes and then she would do these trend reports with these great looking women wearing her fabulous shoes.
And because her shoes were very fashionable, she designed for Dillman, the Bergdorf-Gudman line.
And that's basically how I started drawing.
I would draw these really great looking fabulous women wearing fabulous shoes.
And then by around eight years old, I got really bored with them.
And I just thought, you know, they're not really interesting to me anymore.
They look good, but they're really not saying anything.
So my family, instead, I'm from New Jersey, and although now I moved to Florida, but we went to, we had a vacation in Bermuda.
It was our first big vacation that was in the Jersey Shore.
And we stayed in this pink elephant of a house.
that had these drawings on them, drawings on the walls with captions.
And I was totally intrigued and I thought, oh, wow, the women that I'm drawing could talk.
And it turns out it was James Thurber's house, the iconic New Yorker cartoonist.
So then I started really getting into cartooning and I read everything that I could about James Thurber.
So that's basically how I started on that cartoon graphic novel trajectory and then went to art school and went into advertising.
And then, um, I totally forgot what I was meant to do with my life.
And then, uh, I had turned 29, my Saturn return, you know all about that, right?
When you sort of have like a meltdown about your career.
And I had my sketchpad in my bed and it was New Year's Eve and I just turned 29 and I asked every single spirit I could think of, calling on God, Jesus, Mary, all the saints in heaven.
Um, and I lit a candle for them too and asked him to help me figure out what I wanted to do with my life.
And I wrote, she was a little upset during the meeting with With the blonde woman that I've always drawn since I was like two or three with a gun in her mouth.
She was a little upset during the meeting.
And then I realized, oh my god, I should have been a cartoonist all along.
Leaned into my candle and my hair caught on fire.
So not only did I get a new career, but I got a new haircut.
I got a shag after that.
Okay, that's pretty shocking.
All right, so you were an artist and you'd been to art school at that point?
Yeah, I went to Pratt, and yeah, I studied art, but I never, but I taught cartooning myself.
I always, something that I always did, and from advertising, I learned how to draw storyboards, because, you know, I was an art director, so I would draw storyboards, so I'd think in succession, and that's really good training for doing graphic novels, because you think filmically, right?
So you're, you're drawing 30-second Commercials, which is what I was doing, art directing them and coming up with the idea.
So that was a natural transition to become a graphic novelist.
Okay, so did people tell you that you had like a flair, you know, a natural talent in the area of drawing and such?
Oh yeah, I definitely had that growing up.
Okay.
Yeah, and I always drew those women, and then when I was doing this comic strip She that ran in Mirabella magazine, I had this idea for the big shebang, but I didn't quite know what to do with it until, like, I wrote that book for, like, five years ago.
But I had that title for, like, 25 years.
Okay.
Now, the graphic novel that you won, I guess, a prize on, which I'm trying to find over here, Cancer Vixen.
What is that?
So, is cancer, is that, are you a cancer in the astrological chart, or what were you talking about?
Well, that was about my, uh, I had, I had breast cancer.
Instead of being, I hated the idea of being a cancer victim.
I just can't stand that whole, any kind of like, I hate that.
So I was, um, so I turned it around and instead of being a cancer victim, I became a cancer vixen.
And basically that goes back to the shoes again, which was, Right after I was diagnosed.
I had a column, a cartoon, actually a monthly cartoon in Glamour Magazine, and they asked me what was going on, you know, for my deadline, and I said, well, I was just diagnosed with breast cancer, and they asked me if I wanted to write about it, and I didn't know what to call it.
So when I was diagnosed, I did kind of, you know, naturally you're pretty bummed out you get a cancer diagnosis.
Nobody's doing cartwheels over it.
I was walking down along the Hudson River when I lived in New York City and a friend of mine said, well, you're going to write about cancer.
What are you going to call it?
And I was going to call it Breast Case Scenario because I was trying to be optimistic about it.
Bob Morris, who was a journalist, said, babe, that is a terrible title.
Look at you.
You're the daughter of a shoe designer.
You look like a victim.
Where's the vixen?
So put on your shoes and like, write about it.
And basically, that's what I did.
So very, very clever.
Okay, so so and it won an award here, right?
Well, Time Magazine said it was one of the 10 best graphic novels ever written.
That's pretty impressive.
Yeah, and Reader's Digest said it's number 7 in the 50 best graphic novels ever written.
That was two months ago.
Recently, okay.
Yeah, and I wrote this book in 2006.
Yeah, it's actually been optioned for a TV series, so.
Oh, wow.
Okay, so that's incredible.
So, in terms of, you've started being a podcaster with Laura Eisenhower, and I think you're quite good at it.
So, how did you fall into that?
Well, this is really funny.
So, after I wrote, after the Big Shebang came out, and
Laura, I saw that Laura was doing readings so I signed up to do a reading with her and we totally connected and she interviewed me and then we stayed in touch and we always did, we always co-hosted guests so then we just started doing this podcast because we really like hanging out and we have very similar views and we like interviewing the same people.
We loved interviewing you by the way.
That was a great show.
We've got to have you back on.
Oh, well, thank you.
That it was fun.
You guys asked really good questions.
And you know, it was very dynamic, I think.
But okay, so, so here you are now what is, you know, you're kind of in in sort of almost two careers now simultaneously, right?
Yeah, I mean, I swear to God, I feel like I'm like, my career bifurcated, you know?
So I'm curious that though, where is your head at in terms of, since you're so good at graphic novels, are you writing a new one now?
Or do you have plans for a new one?
And Is the writing of it something that you comes easily?
And so do you write the story before you design it?
Or do you or vice versa?
How does that work?
That's a good question.
Well, um, it's funny, because, uh, like with Cancer Vixen, I had the title.
So I drew to the title, the big shebang.
Actually, I had the title.
So I drew to the title.
And then I Sometimes I get images and sometimes I get headlines.
So it's kind of both, I guess.
So now I actually I could run downstairs and get your book because you gave me a copy or if you have to show.
Okay, great.
So maybe you can show some or if you have on your computer, you know how to share pictures and stuff.
Or whichever way, because holding it might be a little bit hard for the viewers to see the pictures to their due justice.
Or do you have a website, for example, with your pictures on it?
I do have a website that I could... Okay, so the one here that says Marissa Acocello.
Acocello.
Suspicious link.
No, did it not?
Okay.
Yeah, well, that's what it's saying.
It doesn't matter.
I'll still go there.
So maybe that's the way to go.
Is that a good place to see your picture?
You know, just so people can get a general idea about what you do.
So I'm putting this on the screen right now.
This is your website.
If you have actual, you know, because you're on your computer, I don't know, maybe this is a little unexpected and you weren't planning to share pictures.
But if you do, If it's easy to find the pictures, then let me know.
I'm just going to scroll through this website and click around and see what we've got here.
Oh, you know what?
That might actually be kind of good.
I did a thing.
The Freshest Oil Hats for Conspiracy Theorists Fashionistas.
Okay.
That I actually did, believe it or not.
Look at the date, Keri.
2018.
October 12th, 2018, right?
Right.
2018, October 12, 2018, right?
Right.
So that's like way ahead of our time, right?
Yeah, great.
Awesome.
Well, I don't know.
It's not ahead of our time.
This is our time.
But I mean, so you know how people were talking about tinfoil hats and like there was like all these Instagram images like last year about like fabulous tinfoil hats.
Well, I did this in 2018.
Right.
Wonderful.
And it is wonderful.
I mean, people can definitely get an idea of what you do there.
So that's great.
And this is a New Yorker spread that you did.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm just going to click over here and see if we've got some other stuff.
Yeah, I don't... I should have, like, gotten some... Yeah, you should have thought of that.
I mean, it seems like a no-brainer with all your stuff, but I know how it is.
You know, you kind of take it for granted, and then all of a sudden somebody wants to see it, and where is it?
I think they can see at least a little bit here and go from there.
So, okay.
I'll just stop sharing and just go back to here.
So, all right.
So, people can get an idea what you do.
I mean, now, I was actually thinking of hiring you sometime in the future.
I don't have the project right on my... But I always love graphic novels, especially manga, or however you say it.
Mangas?
Oh, yeah.
Those are a big favorite of mine.
And so I just thought there might be a sort of a Camelot story or something that I might want to put together at some point.
Now, Did you ever like because there's things you can do you like you say you can do a storyboard so you could be hired by a studio or production company to storyboard a movie right?
Well, I actually did storyboard something that Meg Ryan was doing a few years ago.
Oh.
Yeah.
So, as I'm saying, that's obviously, you know, something that you could do and get paid for, whatever.
I mean, I don't know your situation, but you know.
So, I think that's probably a really great avenue as well for someone like you.
Is there anything, any big project that you're thinking of in the future?
I mean, you could literally, having the skills you have, you can draw it so you don't, a person doesn't have to imagine it in their own mind.
They could actually see the graphics very well.
Like you can even imagine what if you were doing a graphic novel, a Star Wars, then you already have the skills to do, you know, all the bizarre characters and everything.
I was thinking you should do an alien book.
I know it sounds a little weird, but there is a- No, I was thinking, I kind of want to do an alien book.
Well, there's a famous book out.
I don't know if you've ever heard of it, but it's called The Little Alien Book.
And recently I tried to find it.
I think they might've taken it off the web, but actually, you know, had a page, like a description of the being, and then it had a picture of the being, and there was tons of them.
And it was this little book, and it was on Veterans Today.
And yeah, and I had had it on my website, but recently I went looking for it and I found that I couldn't find it and the link doesn't work anymore.
So they've taken it off their website, I guess.
But if anyone watching this stumbles on it, can find it, please do send me the link and maybe send Marissa the link and we can give you her email address as well.
But anyway so it just occurred to me because I was looking for that book that at the same time I was reading your book and stuff like that and so then I thought wow you would be the perfect person to actually do this book you know like do a book like that.
I mean I would actually love to do like Aliens Something I'm, of course, really, really interested in.
I would love to do a female alien.
I think that would be so cool.
But there's lots of, you know, there's lots of different kinds, as you may know, and, and everyone's curious of what they look like.
And with your skills, you're, you're going to be able to do, do them justice, so to speak, I would say.
And you could also, you know, get some inspiration, perhaps from people that have had You know, experiences with aliens.
So, you could do a whole book.
I'm not telling you what to do here, but you could actually have them write to you, tell them their experience with the alien, describe the alien, and then you could draw it, you know, and you would have a whole book like that.
That might be really fun.
I mean, I think there is aspects to, and we can get more serious here, but I think, you know, we were talking beforehand, what is the stage we're at?
And one of the stages I'm at, because in some ways I have, as a precog, I have seen things that are happening and they are happening.
So what do you do when you are faced with seeing things in front of your eyes that you've already And so I think that, you know, somebody like you, a graphic artist, can help people visualize a better future.
like imagining a better future from this point on.
And so I think that, you know, somebody like you, a graphic artist, can help people visualize a better future.
And for example...
Oh, sorry about this.
I don't know how I have to turn that off, I guess.
Okay.
So, I was thinking that, you know Antarctica?
Well, Antarctica is said to be the last time that humans and aliens walked together on the surface of Earth.
Mm-hmm.
And a lot of it is buried under the ice in Antarctica.
And that's why all these scientists are going down there.
So you could actually, you know, create that story and show, you could also visualize Atlantis.
And there are descriptions of the scientists that are going down there right now are describing some of the amazing things.
And there's, I know a certain author who wrote books, like whole stories, books, You know, novels that apparently are basically the truth, but he had to say they were fiction, okay, about what has been found down in Atlantis.
So, it's amazing stuff.
Well, you know, it's kind of wild, honestly.
I swear we're on the same wavelength.
Are you in my head?
Oh, my God.
Because I am actually writing something about Atlantis, so... Oh, really?
Cool.
So I'm wrapped into that.
That's, like, typical.
I do that sometimes.
It's very typical.
Yeah, because I was writing about Atlantis and, like, also the timeline, you know?
Because I... You know how... Okay, this is, like, what so upsets me about right now, which is that You know, we're given these narratives because we are the great manifestors, basically.
We're the great creators, so they put something in our head and then we create it for them, right?
You know, the psychopaths who think they're in charge, not the real God, but, right?
So, why can't we take control of the narrative?
Why can't we take control of the narrative?
Why can't we put ideas in our heads that we can change the world for the better and create the better timeline?
Well, when you want to create the future, one of the good things to do is to imagine it, is to visualize it.
And since you're a great visualizer and then executing your vision to paper, you know, it's just a lot like George Lucas and what he was doing.
So, you know, his team, I mean, obviously, I don't think he's necessarily a great artist, You know, he had an amazing grasp of a world he wanted to depict.
Like, I always remember the bar scene in Star Wars.
So, you know, this is the example.
But people think that it's a joke or something, but it's actually not that far from the truth.
And I remember that when Men in Black came out, The same thing.
People, you know, because I'm always dealing with whistleblowers and stuff like that, so they were saying that that's actually in the milieu out there that men in black is not that far from the truth either.
Right.
And then there's another television series.
The British one is, I think, best.
It's called Torchwood, and that was also, we were told, based on the truth.
So, in other words, they're going around, or they were going around, I don't know what they're doing now, but this is a million years ago, and a police constable in Britain who was quite famous, whose name escapes me at the exact moment, He had written to us and told us that actually Torchwood was real and that he could get killed for telling us that.
But he wanted us to know that we were on the right track, so he told us this many, many years ago.
And I always remember that.
He's passed on.
He's not alive anymore.
That, I just love that, you know, idea.
So, not necessarily that they're, you know, catching them and killing them, but that they are, you know, that there's a whole, you would never think of this.
You would never think that there is kind of like a spy story and a story where they're tracking down leads to unearthed aliens who have emerged in our sector here on Earth.
And they do do that.
They actually, you know, sometimes accidentally even they could come here, but they don't expect to manifest necessarily, but sometimes they do accidentally, or whenever, or someone can see them.
Sometimes you have a theoric, what's called a theoric sight, and you can see them, or you become conscious of them, or whatever it is.
So it's just, I'm just saying how that this world that at least I investigate and people are becoming you know I guess you're I don't know if you're following the Lou Elizondo book that they're releasing imminent and well you sent that you sent that some story to me yeah but I'm I've seen him in interviews before.
Right, right.
So he's a member.
He's actually a member of the intelligence community.
So he's, you know, he's not really a whistleblower, but whatever.
So the point being is that his and I'm, I'm getting his book, which is out.
It's either today or tomorrow.
I think it's today he's being released on Amazon and he's doing interviews with with certain people.
I don't think he'll talk to me.
That'd be nice, but I don't know.
But the thing is that I'm saying is that they're making a push right now for disclosure of a kind and they're trying to control the narrative as always.
So this is also a very Heightened time for if you were to do any of these kind of projects, because that is the way, you know, that's the way Hollywood will be looking right this minute, you can imagine.
They're gonna start bringing out more and more movies along these lines, because when you, you know, they want disclosure, they're gonna try to You know, wake up young minds into this possibility and so on and so forth.
So anyway, just throwing things out for you because you're so talented in this way and you could run with any of these ideas.
I think the Antarctica one is kind of great.
Yeah, well, I mean, sounds like you're already going down that road, so that's a good one too.
But just saying that that's where we're at.
That aside from just aliens, there are whole new ways of looking at the world that people are going to have to incorporate, right?
I know I'm sort of different this way, but I'm not looking at the future going, oh, doom and gloom, and I'm so worried.
I don't give a shit about any of that.
I've always lived on the edge in my life anyway, so I don't think it's so unusual to For the whole world to be on edge because we don't know which way this thing is going to turn.
I know there are people that like to say White Hats are in control.
But I just listened to Juan O'Salvin.
He did a broadcast recently with Nino and he basically said, no, it's a very small part of the military that the White Hats have control of.
So with that in mind, you know, I think the It's the gamut is completely open as to where things are going to head and even day to day, right?
Right.
So yeah, so just any thoughts you want to contribute to how you're looking at the future yourself?
Yeah, because I think that I really think that we as a people I mean, I should realize that the media has been gaslighting us since forever.
I mean, we all know about Mockingbird Media, right?
And all your viewers are very, very knowledgeable about pretty much everything that's going on.
But there are other people out there that need to, that, you know, I hope, hopefully they'll realize that, you know, we are being gaslit.
But I think that the more we put out there and the more we, the more we hear from you, Kerry, that the world, because, because we need to hear the truth.
We need to know what the truth is and the truth should get out there, whether it's, From you and your whistleblowers, or if it's something being soft disclosed from Hollywood, not that I totally trust anything they say, but there is some soft disclosure.
There's disclosure from the super soldiers, which I think are really important because they're telling us a lot of what's going on, right?
And whatever I can do, you know, through my work and my podcast and talking to people and trying to augment those voices, I think, It's really important.
I think it's, I think there's like, there are people who have dug their heels into like, the mainstream narrative, and maybe they'll never come around.
And then there's people like us, but then there's like these people in the middle.
And I think we can get to those people.
And I think we could sort of have a tipping point.
And I think, I think that's, you know, I'm hopeful that that's, you know, what could happen.
But I also think, you know, I used to think that we the people free the people, right?
Yes.
Okay.
But I think it's more, I the person, freeze the person, because it has to start with me.
It's like, I have to have that mindset.
I need to think about what I'm putting in my body, the toxins that I'm not going to let in anymore, the people, the food, the water, the air, and really just Take care of myself, not that I'm not doing service to others, which I am.
But, you know, it's also... Well, yeah, if you are healthy, and you're serving others through yourself that way, because you can't help others if you're, if you're helpless, actually.
Exactly.
So, so it kind of goes around and comes around.
But in terms of What I think in, you know, talking to you that I would emphasize again is, is that artists, like the idea here is that a lot of there are artists, and I know that there's this whole, you know, the trans thing, a lot of the creativity in the arts is coming out in very kind of distorted ways right now.
But it doesn't need to be doing that.
It needs to actually be Inspiring and coming back to the hero or, you know, whether it's a male or female hero.
In other words, the hero's story.
That we need heroes at this time to save humanity.
So that theme, I think, is more important than ever.
And it's our artists that Inspire.
I think inspire people.
So all the arts, you know, whether it be dance or art, you know, pictures or theater or whatever, you know, movies, everything.
The arts are a great place to be creative about creating the future.
And even what you want to see now.
So I actually studied to be a director.
I studied acting.
I still am very interested in making movies.
And I think that that's going to be where I go in the future.
That seems to me.
Because I've done this whole thing, this whistleblower thing, forever.
And it's not that if more whistleblowers would come forward to me, then of course, I'm always here for them.
But I do think that it's time to start imagining or reimagining or reengineering the future.
Because I think our future has been stolen from us for so long.
And that people, you know, have been putting a lot of energy into a A damning future, a negative future.
And one of the things I rub up against is people that don't even want to admit that the White Hats exist, let alone that they're doing something positive for humanity.
You know, even friends of mine have said this to me.
I mean, people that should know better don't know better.
So this is where I think, you know, someone like you can really inspire others at this really crucial time to see another future.
And I think that once we You know, that there's a lot of energy being funneled down into a negative thing, and that's what the Illuminati always do.
They try to capture your eyeballs, capture your mind, and then tell you where to look and how to look, and they want to lower your frequency so they show you a negative future.
So I think that Our artists, and that's a word to all the artists out there, to imagine the positive future and what we can take from the future and bring forward.
Whether it's something like iRobot, right?
Mm-hmm.
Where you actually haven't... It's like a semi, I think.
It's fun.
Maybe it's nonsensical in a way, but you know, with Will Smith, that you have a robot that actually rebels and then tries to free all the other robots.
Sure thought, but okay.
You know, that's what the theme of the movie is.
So, you know, I'm just saying that this is...
This is what we have.
And, you know, of course we have Terminator, which is... See, I love stories and movies and novels that are about heroes, especially female heroes, as it happens.
You know, because I think women are saving the world anyway.
Well, that's why I wrote... Honestly, that's why I wrote The Big Shebang, because I found out about all these stories that were...
You know, squelch these women who were, you know, submarined and, like, basically erased from, like, the story, the narrative of the planet.
So, they were all heroes.
And, you know, even, like, the Mary Magdalene story was hijacked, and, you know, the God the Mother story, and there was Thecla who
um was went around with Saint Paul but she they tried to burn her at the stake and the flames went this way and a female lioness saved her instead of eating her and fought off a male lion and I mean there were all these great stories about these female heroes and I'm definitely obsessed with the hero's journey the whole Joseph Campbell thing.
Yeah and um but I also think this is maybe a little more delicate of a subject but you see as far as I'm concerned and I actually did a presentation a long time ago about this but we are all um we're all magicians okay so what's a magician?
A magician is someone who creates reality.
We are all creators and so understanding that And that you can do it in a positive way or you can do it in a negative way.
And there's sort of a right-wing swing right now against the idea of things like magic.
But it doesn't have to be stolen into the negative.
And so understanding, you know, this is again calling a lot of people or back in centuries, right?
Women that would imagine or speak out, you know, a woman who speaks was called a witch.
Right, and they burned at the stake for mostly... Yes, for talking, which is what I do all the time!
You know, it's kind of, you know, and it does hark back to that time.
In other words, we are entering a time when it's very important how you You take back some of these ideas and understand they don't belong to the dark, okay?
And being a creator is one of them, and certainly a female creator.
So I think, you know, I think it's exciting.
I have had some interesting visualizations of the future, you know?
So I don't know if you have, have you?
Yeah, I totally have.
I mean, even like in The Big Shebang, the book I wrote like four years ago, I had like, you know, you could, which way will humanity go?
Will we, you know, be be AI bots or will we have like a brave new beautiful world where, you know, we have all this technology and I saw like a new Atlantis that was like, you know, people flying and, you know, just Like the crystalline cities and not walking light people so light that their feet don't even touch the ground.
And, you know, coming from the heart, everything was heart base, which is
Yeah, so I definitely like what I try to do and what I'm working on now and it's funny because what you're saying is exactly what I was thinking and doing because I feel the more we put, since we are creators, we are co-creators, the more we put out there that's of the more we could visualize a world where humanity
is part of, achieves their ultimate, you know, is like the Christic, you know, crystalline human who has, like, achieved their divine blueprint and, you know, has ascended and become who we were meant to be from the very, very beginning.
If we, like, draw ourselves that, if we literally draw that, we can draw that energy in.
And that's kind of, I think that's why I'm an artist, because I draw the energy.
Sure.
And then you express it.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
So, so this is I think, the, this is the brave new world that we're entering.
And I think that we shouldn't, I think humanity should not sell itself short at this time.
I think that we have, in some ways, we have an opportunity is that when you sort of Clean the slate, which is a lot of what's going to be going on right now, right?
So as you out the truth and stuff, then it throws light, it exposes everything to the light.
Then in a certain, there's a cleansing, you know, when you have truth and a seeing through, right?
So then what do you see through to?
So again, I think it's really important right now at this very interesting verge, rather than focus on, oh, the crash of the stock market, or the crash of this, or the war that they're going to try to, you know, I just had a precog during the other night, they're going to do World War Three.
I mean, yeah, they're going to do these things.
Okay.
And in some ways, we can't stop them.
But Those of us who are envisioning the future, it's like if the wave of the future was to come and engulf the present, then it could almost push it aside.
And so the destruction of the present can be, you know, can actually be cast aside eventually, and we will replace it with something amazing.
And One of my visions that I had was, it was very interesting, I never imagined to have a dream like this, but what it was was sort of these rolling hills of earth, of soil, and the soil was like fresh and clean.
And so I saw it going on for miles, these rolling hills of clean soil.
So I'm just thinking that this was kind of a new earth kind of Thing, but at the same time, you know, it could happen here.
In other words, this could be the new earth.
In other words, that we're remaking it, that it can remake itself right now.
And so it's not just to focus on destruction, you know, that's not gonna, that's not any way to go, you know, like you can't focus on no, no goes nowhere.
You know, no is a stop.
Yeah.
So We have to build the new.
And so I think that, you know, when I'm talking to somebody like you, I get very inspired because I can see that you can think of it in your mind, then you can actually materialize it so that people, other people can see it, your visions.
And I think that's such a wonderful gift, right?
So I just hope that as an artist, you will consider that.
You know what?
I mean, it's really funny because, um, I mean, that's definitely where my head is and what I've been, like, working on.
Okay, cool.
And, um, yeah, and I love what you're saying.
And I always say that we are the new earth birthers.
It comes from the women too.
You know, we're birthing the new earth.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's all kind of come from within us that, you know, if you want to really know, I mean, your future is coming from within you, those watching.
And so with that, that gives you a special power in the future that you perhaps have not had in the past.
Right?
So with that in mind, we can empower each other.
to to do to manifest in every way and to be start thinking along those lines rather than going down a drain you know like how water goes around down a drain and then it's gone that's not really productive it's not really creative it doesn't really inspire anybody i don't think so i'm not inspired by destruction really you know no neither and like why be a destroyer when you could be a creator right
Right?
I mean, what is humanity?
We are the great creator race.
Right.
Well, if we're made in any kind of image, it's the image of the creator.
So I think holding that high and in our minds and looking towards the future is a really, you know, sort of great way to approach things.
Let's see is there anything I'm going to look in the chat because you know we're talking away here and maybe there are some people that if anyone wants to ask Marisa a question she's obviously got these wonderful books and I can bring her website up again if people are interested but Yeah, whatever you want to ask her, here's your chance.
Like I said, she is around and she's doing these weekly broadcasts with Laura Eisenhower, so she's exploring other people that are testifying as to where they're coming from and their stories.
Any thoughts?
So anyone, put a question mark if you have a question for her, and then I will grab it from the chat, okay?
So I think we're really in an interesting juncture, you know?
So anything you want to say?
Well, yeah, I mean, I just, to hear, I mean, I have to tell you how inspired I am by you, so I'm pretty sure.
I just, I can't, I think I'm inspired by you.
I'm inspired by your ability to draw just everything, you know, and just really, it's just, it's entrancing, I think.
Yeah, so.
I think it's really important for For us to not let anybody control our narrative, whether, and I think it's, we need to take back the storyline and we need to create our own world.
We need the vision to manifest our beautiful futures because we can.
Not let somebody tell us what it's gonna be who don't wish us well.
I mean, we, Humanity is an incredible, incredible, we are incredible.
And we have so much power, more power than we ever even dreamed of.
And I think we can do amazing, amazing things if we allow our imagination to do it.
Right.
And I think that, you know, it's it is a choice.
It's a personal choice what you're going to focus on right now.
You know, there are a lot of people out there.
They're saying, you know, now at least one says it's temporary.
You know, he kind of emphasizes that this kind of like downturn in the market, you know, whether we do or don't have an election.
But I think in the end of the day, You know, you know how you want it to be.
And so once you've decided where you're at in the scenario, you know what I mean?
Then what more is there to talk about?
I mean, you know, they're getting on with it, of course, now after all these years, and some of it is just simply letting us know what they've actually been doing since they did everything in secret.
So that's great.
But at the same time, I think that humanity should be active.
Mm-hmm.
Again, as creators.
And so instead of swallowing, you know, I know people spend hours and hours watching videos, people like me or with like you and Laura, and yet at the same time they're just watching.
And I think that we can expire people.
I hope that we can.
But at the same time, I think that if you look within yourself and say, what can I bring to the future of humanity at this time?
And I'm sure you can prep, you know, you can prep yourself to death, you know, bury yourself under, under gold and silver.
And, you know, can you imagine, I mean, just piles of gold and silver and piles of, of Canned goods and, you know, all this nonsense.
But, you know, the reality is that's not going to be the future.
Right, right.
That's a very temporary sort of hurdle that we have to get through, in my view.
I don't see a dark future for us.
I really don't.
I think there are things that are going to happen that are, again, going to kind of be like clearing the decks.
You know, like when you take a broom and you have a lot of debris and then you sweep it away.
I think that's what's going to happen, you know.
And then once it's swept away, then you have an opening.
So what do you mean by that?
We're coming to the opening.
So what do you mean, like, a debris that's being swept away?
Well, because of what's happening and the exposure that's happening to the dark side, right?
A lot of these things are falling literally at our feet.
So you could think of these sort of the fall of the cabal, you know, that series.
It's a fall, okay?
So that means they fall to the ground.
It comes down to earth.
It's earthed.
Okay, so it's what what's really going to happen now more and more, especially as the White Hats, you know, gain control, assuming they do, that you're going to have a sweeping away of the past.
And then then a rebirth is required.
So I'm just saying, we need to focus on the rebirth.
And I think as we Reimagine, as I said, our world.
I mean, you know, I happen to know that even 107 has huge fantasies about, you know, outer space and doing sci-fi things, you know.
He's like an avid sci-fi reader and all that kind of thing.
In other words, all these inventors that have been held back Understand that at least the creatives, the incredible creatives and that's on the male and the female side have been held back.
And so right now some of those people are coming forward and you know they're dressing wild and they're you know expressing themselves in various Weird sexual ways, whatever it is.
But I think if you kind of look at that with a little kinder eye, rather than judgmental, okay?
So rather than judging people because you don't like their choices, well, it's not your choice, so you do what you want, right?
But I'm just saying, you know, what is gonna come after this, after this sort of acting out, Right?
War, acting out, you know, destruction, bombs, whatever it is.
It's like, don't be so, you know, you know how you can stare like they stare at a traffic accident.
They're fascinated by the destruction and all the cars slow down, right?
So rather than doing that, Can I encourage people not to slow down and stare, not to get really mystified and magnified to the destruction, but rather realize that you're the creator.
We are each the creators of our own future.
And we need to do that.
We need to create the new on top of the old.
And as the old is swept away, because it will be.
And there's even, you know, I have a friend, Michael Schradt, he's going to be on a show with me tomorrow.
And he's a wonderful aerospace historian.
And also he tracks all the the crash retrievals throughout history.
And he actually has somebody who draws them, right, which is another thing you're probably really good.
But anyway, so you know, these people are drawing.
So what he's doing is he's, he's going into the past, and he's salvaging the wonderful goodness that that is there, all of the investigations that have been done in the past, all the, you know, unearthing the things that I've unearthed through my whistleblowers and In other words, with this destruction, you don't want to throw everything out, right?
So you want to make sure that you can salvage And bring forward the real truth.
And so when I was talking about Lou Elizondo's book, it's kind of like David Grush at the UAP hearing, and he was trying to talk like, and you know, I don't fault him because he's working for an intelligence agency, and I'm sure they keep him on a short leash, or he was.
I think it doesn't work for them anymore.
I don't know.
But The thing is that he's basically acting as though disclosure, you know, and crash retrievals were just happening right now.
And the tic tacs are all they saw in the sky and all this stupid shit.
So trying to limit your understanding and your memories of the wonderful past, the things that are wonderful in our past, the things that are disclosing real truth.
And so I think that's another thing you can do, you can unearth, like you're saying, talking about writing about Atlantis, and that's what we're doing.
We're trying to rediscover who we really are, what has been buried, what has been forced to be silent, right?
It's time to come to the surface and tell the truth and be revealed, right?
So we're going to be like, if you think of these generations right now, once we're over this destruction part, we're going to be the great revealers.
We're going to reveal in ways that never were even dreamed of, that we could bring back and tell the truth, like of Tartaria.
Oh yeah!
And all kinds of amazing things.
So, you know, The Earth is full of ruins that were full of knowledge and the history of humanity and so on and so forth.
So let's not lose sight of that either.
Oh yeah, I mean, and don't you think it's so interesting, too, like in 1947, right, when Roswell happened, and then, you know, it was the end of World War II, like 1945, 1947, Roswell, and then like Nag Hammadi, like all those scrolls were discovered.
Oh, Nag Hammadi, yes, the Nag Hammadi, yeah.
You say Nag Hammadi, I say Nag Hammadi.
Okay, yeah, I don't know, whatever.
But it's like all that incredible knowledge was unearthed, you know, along with the technology, the crash from Roswell that, you know, gave birth to, I mean, this is kind of crazy, you know, that those Pyrex, like the The technology for the Pyrex, you know, those Corningware bowls?
Right.
Like, that came out of Roswell.
There's lots that Colonel Corso was bringing into the commercial sector eventually.
A lot, yeah!
Yeah, in fact, computers, the chips, you name it.
I mean, there's so much.
Even a lot of the weaponry they use now came from there.
Yeah, so much came out of Roswell.
But this is our creativity too.
Yeah, yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
You get a remnant from the past and then you basically bring it into fruition in maybe a different way than it was originally intended even, you know, so there's that.
So, which is not necessarily a bad thing.
It's not a bad thing because, you know what, the more Like, there's been so many things that have been held back from us, as you know, as your viewers know, as we all know.
That's really the truth!
But, you know, if we're able to take those things, like the technology and transmute it and make it useful to us, I mean... Right, and so I'm just saying that, you know, It's going to happen in the imagination of in our imaginations.
All right.
So if you can imagine the positive side of the future that does involve even things that that you think right now are, you know, that scare you like AI, let's say, or something like that.
In other words, there, there could be a symbiosis between us and AI eventually, we don't have to just always imagine the most Detrimental, the most destructive view of, oh, this is going to ruin our lives.
Right.
So they said the computer would ruin their lives.
And then they said, you know, automobiles would ruin their lives and all these things.
Right.
But we are surviving and we are pretty, pretty darn fluid beings.
You know, we not only We can get ourselves, pick ourselves up off the ground and we can brush ourselves off and go into a brave new world.
And I think that that's what we have ahead of us.
And so it's just having you on makes me, inspires me to talk like this.
But I've been thinking about it a lot lately, you know, because I am not so consumed, like, As other people seem to be watching the destruction, you know, or on the destruction or looking forward to the destruction, you know, or, you know.
The executions or the outing of the executions.
It's like this is not, you know, this is a very dark type of thing and questionable as well when decisions like that are also taken out of our hands.
I think that the one thing that I would say about The plan or any other plan the Illuminati have in store for us or the White Hats or whoever it is, is that we decide, not them.
And this is going to be paramount, that we criticize and that we are openly analyzing.
What are they really saying?
And what do they want versus what do we want?
You know, because humanity, the people I talk to want to be free.
Everyone, I mean, I travel the whole world and I can tell you, and everywhere is beautiful people all over the place, you know.
So what do the children want?
The children want to be free.
They want to express themselves and to be free.
So I think that's a beautiful thing.
I agree.
And I think the more playful that we are as adults, You know, and the more expressive we are, the more we were able to express ourselves and freely and, and able to say what we really think the better we are.
So yes, yeah, yeah, you know, so child is father to the man comes to mind.
Yeah.
So there's a reason for that saying, you know?
Yeah.
So we can learn from children and from their vision and the way they look at the future, which is not, you know, they're not actually naturally, they're not doom and gloomers.
No, they're not.
You know, they just greet everything with curiosity and openness.
I think if we do that as adults, like be open and have curiosity and let ourselves create and imagine like we did as children, I think, and imagine a better future for ourselves and everybody else, I think the better this world will be.
I think it's really about imagination.
Yes, absolutely.
Well, so anyway, I guess I'm just looking one more time to see if there's any questions that hit the chat.
Otherwise, you know, I'll let you go unless you have anything else you want to talk about because I certainly want, you know, this to be your platform as well to, you know, convey whatever you'd like to, you know, people that are watching you and tell them what's going on.
Well, I just, if I just honestly, you know, have been watching you for so long, Carrie, and it's been my dream to be on your show.
So I felt like, okay, one thing that, you know, the bucket list here.
Thank you very much.
And I just really think the world of you.
Thank you.
I'd love to have you back on and I just put your I put some links in the chat.
Thanks.
Okay, so hopefully people can see them there.
And they were all sorry, they will also be on your on your, you know, page when we we publish this, and this show will go on to rumble as well.
Okay, and then I'll repost it, too.
So Okay, great.
So I'm not going to try to talk too much more at this moment.
But I want to thank you so much for being here and for being so inspiring, such a wonderful artist.
And yeah, let's let's move into the future in a whole different way.
Absolutely.
Thank you so much for having me on, Carrie.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
Take care, everyone.
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