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Aug. 9, 2024 - Project Camelot
01:21:32
PRESTON DENNETT: WORLDWIDE UFOS
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Thank you.
Thank you.
I must say I had no idea he had so many books and also, you know, UFO researcher and I'm just getting to know him really just a person Michael Schratt referred him to me and we're going to talk about school sightings but also other cases that you think are worth mentioning.
Preston is fine so Do you want to give yourself a short introduction?
And I already kind of gave an introduction on my telegram that you've got on your website.
I posted most of that there, but if you could talk about yourself a bit.
Yeah, sure.
Thanks, Carrie.
Thanks for having me on.
Thanks to Michael Schratt for referring to me.
I love Michael.
He's an amazing researcher.
Yes.
But yeah, I mean, as I put in my bio, I came into this field as a skeptic, found out that my brother had seen a UFO, This was back in 1986.
I was a pretty young man, 21 years old.
I heard a sighting on the news, a sighting over Alaska, November 17, JAL Airlines.
You may have heard of it.
It's very well known.
But it caught my attention and was enough to get me to ask my brother about his sighting that he had claimed to have had some years earlier.
I wasn't ready to listen then, but I was now.
My brother described an incredible sighting, and it turned out that I had a number of people in my circle—family, friends, and coworkers—who'd had some really incredible sightings.
So I thought, you know what?
I'm going to prove them wrong.
I'm going to get some books on this subject and tell them it's all swamp gas, which at this point I knew it wasn't, but it's pretty upsetting to find out that this is all real when you've never been taught about this in school and it wasn't taken seriously in the media.
So, of course, the books were very compelling and convincing, and I found out about MUFON.
I became a field investigator for them and really just never looked back.
I did about 10 years of really in-depth research, interviewing people, wrote about 30 articles before I put out my first book, which was about UFO healing cases.
That was 1996.
And since then, I bought a book per year.
I'm obsessed.
I'll admit it.
I think it's an important subject that deserves to be taken a lot more seriously than it is.
Oh, I agree with you 100%.
So, what I'm wondering is if you could talk first about, you said your brother had an incredible sighting that kind of spurred you on.
Can you talk about that sighting?
It was amazing.
I do remember I was probably 13 years old when he came running in the house and said, you know, we saw a UFO, me and my friends, and it was really low.
It's right above the telephone poles.
And I just kind of looked at him, shook my head.
I was very analytical, scientific-minded, and I knew how far away the stars were.
And I just thought to myself, there's no way that UFOs are real.
But now listening to Mark, my older brother, he said he was with his two friends, Phil and Greg, who I knew.
And this was in Southern California, LA, well Reseda, right outside of Los Angeles, around the late 1970s and at night.
And they were sitting in their van and they saw what they thought was a helicopter.
It was kind of at eye level because they were up on a hill and it wasn't a helicopter.
They could tell right away because it was silent and it was dome-shaped.
It was your classic flying saucer, metallic, Colored lights around the edge, silent, and they decided to see if they could get closer to it, chased it in their car down Reseda Boulevard.
And it was weird because it would stop and wait for them, and they'd get real close to it, and they were just about underneath it, and it would dart ahead, kind of playing a little bit with them.
They passed other cars who were also seeing this, so they weren't the only witnesses.
So Mark's telling me all this, and I'm like, oh gosh, Mark, this is a lot.
Are you sure?
He's someone I love and trust, you know?
I know he's not going to lie to me.
Now I'm an adult.
Well, yeah, I'm 21 years old.
I'm an adult.
So she said, you know, if you don't believe me, ask Phil and Greg.
I will give you their number.
And of course I did.
Or he did, and I called them up.
And they said the same thing.
I mean, they described it right down.
Each had a little bit different details.
Wow, that's amazing.
Now what year was that again?
I estimate it's around 78.
Okay.
Now, what year was that again?
I estimate it's around 78.
Okay.
So that is, you kind of begun your investigation since that time?
1986.
It was years later that I finally listened to my brother.
So you didn't actually right away start investigating?
No, I didn't think they were real.
I'd heard briefly on the TV show In Search Of, I remember they mentioned it.
There was a family describing their encounter.
I'm like, no, you didn't see a UFO.
And occasionally it would appear on shows like Saturday Night Live.
Right.
It's always kind of jokey and I just didn't believe it.
Okay, so what made you change your mind and start investigating?
Well, after hearing Mark talk about what was that sighting over Alaska that reached the evening news.
I think it was Dan Rather.
Okay.
One of those guys was talking about it.
I'm like, wow, they're actually talking about UFOs on the news here.
And even then, they were very jokey and awkward about it.
It was very brief, but it interested me.
And I remembered my brother Mark had seen one.
So after hearing him, you know, describe this, I'm like, he saw something.
I know he saw something.
I need to figure out what it is.
And if it had been just him, I probably would not have paid too much attention.
But it turned out we had a family friend, a pilot, flight instructor, We had a sighting as well of an egg-shaped object over her home, which actually drew her outside.
It was the noise of it.
It was making this low buzzing noise, which filled her whole house.
She had a witness with her, too.
So, that was surprising.
I kind of thought all people who see UFOs are alone.
They're not educated.
They're out in the wilderness somewhere.
And my sister-in-law had had a sighting.
Wow!
Several other friends.
I brought it up at work, and that was a mistake.
Because I phoned up, there was three people there who had really dramatic encounters.
I mean, grays, missing time, the whole deal.
Incredible.
So, okay, so you're talking about 1986, is that right?
That's right.
And from then on, you started doing your investigations.
What, like, did you have a show?
Because that's quite a long time ago.
You know, the internet, was the internet even around in 86?
It wasn't.
Okay, so when did you start?
You had a show, right?
Is that right?
Well, not initially.
I think very early on, because I started writing articles for various magazines, like UFO Universe, The Mufon Journal, the local newspaper.
This did give me some attention from the media.
And it wasn't long after this, gosh, I think it was like 1988, that the television show Encounters contacted me and wanted to do a little segment, which was so exciting.
And I did it, and it was fun.
I started to get more media interviews, and I learned some hard lessons there about how they can misrepresent your story.
Right.
And can interview for hours and hours, and you get maybe two minutes.
Exactly.
Did you happen to know Sean David Martin back in those days?
I did, yeah.
Because he was very active in the early days.
Yeah, I would see him at conventions.
We talked.
I never really got close to him.
We were more acquaintances than anything.
I just wondered because he did, you know, he did a number of television, he even did television shows he produced, right, and was investigating things on those shows, and he was, you know, he showed John Lear, Area 51 is how the story goes, and he's an old friend of mine, so I know him quite well now, and I don't know if you know, but he has cancer, so we're trying to heal him.
But he's a lovely man, and he was very active back in those days.
I forget the names of the shows that he did, but you would recognize them, I'm sure.
So, when you wrote your books, are you saying you wrote a book a year?
Is that what you actually said?
Starting in 1996, I put out UFO Healings, and that was followed by another book called One in Forty, which never actually got into bookstores.
It was a terrible publisher.
But it was all about the people within my family, friends and co-workers, their cases.
And that was followed up by UFOs over Topanga Canyon, which is about a wave of sightings in my hometown, of all places.
From 1992 to 1994, and that was published by Llewellyn, and they asked for another book, so I gave them a book called Extraterrestrial Visitations, about 10 people who've had direct contact.
I kind of just, yeah, I started writing about one on the average per year.
You know, I'd skip a year or two, now and then, sometimes two in one year, but the way publishing is, it's very irregular.
Right, and okay, so what can you tell us about, you know, I do want to sort of circle around to sightings, which was the main reason I wanted to do the show with you, was because you, Mike said you were, you know, sort of an expert on school sightings, and that's a particular interest here, but
Before that, since you mentioned Topanga Canyon, I actually live in Calabasas, so I'm right near there, and I had a UFO sighting in Malibu right at the end of Topanga Canyon.
Right, sort of looking in the direction initially of Vandenberg, you know Vandenberg on the coast.
And then something made me turn around.
So I was watching what ended up to be, I guess, a rocket launch.
It looked like a UFO but it was a rocket and it was very colorful you know and I then have and this is this is many years ago and I I turned around and there was this incredible design being made in the sky by by these ETs I guess and um it they made a a shape of a dragon.
I know that sounds bizarre but I actually have it on film And I had the particular kind of camera that shows that, right?
I don't even know if my camera now would do that, right?
Because the older cameras had these, sometimes had special lenses where they still picked up the lights.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, you know, some of the older cameras, the videotape cameras too.
They picked up anomalous light signatures and things.
I'm wondering, what are your stories about Topanga Canyon?
Anything that stands out that you might like to talk about?
I grew up there, so I knew a lot of people there.
When I started investigating UFOs, the first thing I did was ask everybody I knew.
Have they had encounters?
And since I knew a lot of people in that area, no surprise really that I should find some.
But it did turn out that that was something of what we would call a hotspot.
Because I started to find encounters and cases in books, various books and magazines in that area.
I would say one of the really more dramatic ones involved four witnesses.
I was able to interview all of them, actually.
Who saw first two little craft come over their home in Old Topanga Canyon, which is right in the center of the canyon there.
Topanga, for those who don't know, is located right along the coast, next to Santa Monica, right west of LA, between Santa Monica and Malibu.
And these two craft were followed by a very large craft.
With little lights all around it.
It came right low over their house.
It shone a beam of light right on the house, made a little buzzing noise, and moved off.
And one of the witnesses, Gabe Aldart was his name, gave an excellent interview.
He loved UFOs.
He was very interested.
He said, you know, I wanted to jump into that beam.
I'm interviewing the other guys, and one guy says, giving me a good description.
He said, frankly, Preston, honestly, I was too scared to look at it.
I hid under the house.
He turned away.
But yeah, this craft moved off, and that was followed by two more, and then one other craft.
So kind of a little fleet there.
That was one of the more interesting ones, and that preceded this huge wave of sightings, which really began on June 14, where a bunch of people called the police.
This was June 14, 1992, on the police station.
Bones ran off the hook, literally.
So did the newspaper office.
Since I had written an article for the local newspaper, he called me, Colin Pennow, the editor.
He said, you know, you're in the UFOs.
We're having all these calls come in.
I'll give you their numbers, interview them, you know, see what you can find out.
And boy did I find out, I found on just that night, about 30 different people in different locations had seen various types of activity.
Some one or two craft, some being chased down the road, some much more.
Dozens or even more than that.
So that's kind of how it opened up into this huge investigation of a two-year-long wave.
Okay.
So, when you're looking at the UFO, well, I mean, in this case, you weren't seeing them.
Others were, right?
Right.
Well, I ended up having some sightings of anomalous lights.
Okay.
Ironically, a little bit more skeptical, having found out that I would lie to you for years and years, really kind of made me look at things a lot more critically, even though I now know UFOs are real and I have seen them.
Sure.
An anomalous light is, let's face it, an anomalous light.
You can't say that's an E.T.
craft right off the bat.
Well, I've actually had several sightings myself and even documented, you know, with another person with a camera and that kind of thing.
So, I totally know what you mean.
Now, I just want to bring on the screen here for people that are, would like to know that You have a tremendous amount of books, as I said, and they're on Amazon, so I'm just going to the Preston Dennett page here, and these are all his books.
It's just, I can't believe how many books you've got, right?
In terms of, you know, people see craft, but a lot of times people do not have, or at least say they have no experience with ETs, right?
So I'm just wondering, like how, I mean, it does look just at the covers of your books, like you've seen, you've also talked to people that encountered various ETs.
Did you ever encounter any ETs?
Did you have any contact yourself?
And then What about contact that people had?
Yeah, I mean it quickly became apparent to me that the sightings have only so much information to offer.
Every case has, you know, certainly something to contribute to our understanding of what's going on.
But boy, when I started hearing about people reporting landings or humanites coming out and seeing ETs in their bedroom or especially being taken on board, that's where I really started to shift my focus and really I wanted to interview people who were having direct contact and having communication and ongoing experiences.
So that's where I did focus a lot of my research.
I did start having... I was going out looking for these UFOs.
It's one thing to read about them, certainly.
It's quite another to talk to someone face-to-face about it.
But I really wanted to know, not just believe.
Know.
Have personal experience.
So I would be out there in the fields at night, you know, if someone said, I saw a UFO, I'm like, can I come over?
Would you mind if I camp out in your backyard?
Which I did this a couple of times.
Okay.
I really wanted to see them and I was going all out.
I would go to, you know, hotspots and what have you, hoping to see them.
I would see these anomalous lights and stuff, but it really wasn't until 19, this was the middle of this UFO wave in Topanga that had just started.
In June.
It was July of that year, 1992.
I think July 5th.
I'm not sure.
It was somewhere in July, but thereabout.
And I had just gone to visit my brother, Mark, and his wife, Christy, in their home in Woodland Hills, which borders Topanga.
And I got late, and I had to work the next night.
So I'm driving home, coming around this hairpin corner, when I had a little orb-like light Dropped down in front of my windshield.
I stopped the car, because this thing's going back and forth in front of my windshield, and clearly intelligently controlled.
And I went through all the theories.
Is it a firecracker?
No.
Is this a reflection?
Is it a bird?
What's going on here?
And that's all I remember.
In fact, I completely forgot.
Oh, wow.
You had missing time.
I sure did.
It took me a while to come to that realization.
But I would start having dreams about being on board.
It wasn't too long after that.
I woke up one night because I felt... I don't have a cat.
Back then I didn't.
I felt what I thought was a cat walking across my bed.
And that's what it felt like.
And of course it startled me awake.
And I was lying, I'd sleep on my side.
So I didn't really see what was on my bed, but opening my eyes, I could swear I saw a thin figure, you know, really real thin, standing next to my bed.
And, you know, of course I gasped.
My heart started thumping wildly.
And I watched this thing dart out of the room like nobody's business, faster than a person could do.
And normally you'd think you'd jump up and check the living room.
I didn't.
I was living in a three-story condo.
I didn't do that.
Having interviewed a lot of people who've had encounters, they sometimes tell me how they didn't react the way they thought they would.
So, when I turned over and decided to go back to sleep, I kind of understood what they were telling me.
So, yeah, and that kind of ramped up from more interactive encounters with telepathy.
Really?
So, you had ongoing, you would say you had ongoing contact?
Yeah, it kind of circled around me getting closer and closer.
And I didn't talk much about it because I was really much more interested in being a researcher and getting the word out rather than talking about my own experiences.
But at some point they reached a level where I'm like, you know what?
It's clear that I know about me.
Something is happening.
I'm having all the experiences I'm writing about.
I guess it's fair to call myself a contactee.
But it took me years to, you know, kind of be okay.
Not be okay with that, but just kind of come to that realization.
None of this has ever scared me.
I don't think they're here to hurt us or scare us.
Okay, so what beings did you see or have you seen?
Do you know?
Greys, mostly.
Human-looking.
Tall whites.
Some of this is very much sort of dream-like.
Okay.
To have a fully conscious encounter, I mean, full-on, taken on board, laid out on a table.
They were asking me, am I okay, am I okay?
I'm like, I'm fine, I'm fine.
There was a human-looking hybrid, kind of grayish, half and half, you know what I mean?
So you had good memories?
Oh yeah.
Okay, and did you ever feel, did you ever, you didn't, or did you ever come across a reptilian?
No, I have not.
Okay.
Sorry?
I don't get many reptilian cases from the people I interview.
Oh really?
All right.
Not that many.
All right.
Because you do hear about them.
Yes, for sure.
Now, so how did you get into investigating school sightings?
Well, I started to run across cases.
Really, the first one was very early on when a family member described, you know, she had seen a UFO over Van Nuys Air Force Reserve Base in Van Nuys, California, with two friends.
I interviewed one of them.
But it was a few months later.
She lives in Van Nuys.
She went out to take an evening walk with her dog.
This was 78, about 77.
And she's walking past Sag Street Elementary School when she saw two children standing in front of the courtyard there under the spotlight.
She's like, well, it's awfully late for two children to be out.
That's weird.
And they kind of look bald.
And she walked right up to them.
You know, she was on the same side of the street.
And as she got about 10 feet away from them, she said they were facing each other, almost like kissing, but they weren't.
And they turned and swiveled, almost like they were floating, and looked at her.
And of course, they weren't children.
She had never heard of brays, but that's what they were.
And she described them to a tee, jumpsuits, you know, the large eyes, the pale skin, the small features, the details we often hear.
And she just kept walking, and she was quite frightened.
I didn't see a UFO, so she didn't quite know how to interpret this until I interviewed her.
That sounded like rays.
She's like, what are rays?
That was right in front of a school.
And another time I interviewed a gentleman who had had missing time on a playground in Hawthorne, Southern California.
And again, didn't think too much of it until the aerial school in rural zimbabwe hit the news um look at this i'm sure you've heard of the case uh but for those who haven't in brief because it is well publicized yes like 200 kids on the playground 60 of them saw ufos coming for landing
a much smaller group saw ets come out communicated with them it's a tremendous case from 1994 i believe 96 uh november thereabout - Thank you.
Right.
So did that case feature in your book?
It did.
It's one of a hundred, though.
It's certainly not as unique as you might think.
There's quite a few like it.
But that one, you know, hit the news some years after and was kind of bouncing around a little bit, not getting a whole lot of attention, but continued to generate interest.
As you know, John Mack entered the scene and finally a documentary was started to be produced on it.
And I kept hearing about it.
I'm like, well, isn't that interesting?
Because I instantly thought of the Westall High School case 1966 in Melbourne, Australia.
It's probably Australia's most famous case next to Frederick Valentich.
In April of 1966, some 200 to 300 students and teachers, by the way, saw these UFOs land next to Westall High School.
Landing traces.
I mean, this is very well authenticated.
It's absolutely undeniable.
And I thought, gosh, you know, wasn't there another one in Florida?
And I looked that up, and there was.
And it was, interestingly, one year to the day after Westall at Opelika, Florida, Westview Elementary School.
And as I'm researching it, I'm like, well, look at this!
200 kids, teachers, lands right next to the school, right in a grove of trees, precisely like Rua Zimbabwe and the Melbourne Westall case.
So why is it that, well, what is your thought on why, you know, there are so many cases, of course, and so many researchers as well, like yourself, and like you've written all these books.
So why is it, do you think, that the powers that be keep it secret?
Million dollar question, isn't it?
I think it's a very A stupid thing to do just generates more fear and truth and transparency is always the right decision.
I think ultimately the cover up, I'm not an expert on it.
I've certainly looked into it.
I think if you really dig deep, you'll see it's the policy adopted from the beginning.
Yes.
At this point, they've kind of painted themselves into a corner and to reverse this policy is going to cause all kinds of problems.
But I ultimately think it comes down to the fact that we probably have hardware, craft bodies, technology, and then it comes down to greed.
You know, money, power, control.
So, I would just say for sure.
Did you see the UAP hearing that was a year ago?
Oh yeah, with Grush, you mean, and Fravor and Graves?
Oh yeah, I sure did.
So they acted like this was the first time anyone even thought of, you know, crash retrievals, right?
And instead, of course, the record goes all the way back to Roswell and before.
So did you, by the way, investigate Roswell at all?
Not personally.
Certainly when I found that book, that was one of the first books I found.
There was only one, The Roswell Incident.
And then, of course, Ripple Crash at Roswell by Donald Schmidt.
Oh, what about The Day After Roswell by Colonel Corso?
I'm actually, I'm re-viewing that book and finding very interesting information about, you know, it's funny because back then they talked openly about how the The craft that were incoming could be a threat and that they needed to prepare for it.
And so Corso, one of his jobs, as you may remember, was to go out and basically bring some of the information and the technology they received, the reverse engineered, etc.
into the public domain.
And this is where we get a lot of things like fiber optics and computers, etc, as you of course know.
So I think this is especially interesting because it documents from a military man, you know, a colonel, no less, who is is documenting as he in his book as he's going through the process of reporting, you know, his findings and then contacting the, you know, commercial sector and so on.
So he speaks rather openly about things that people don't even talk about now, you know, about, you know, defense of our planet.
That actually was the conclusion at the UAP hearing.
If you paid attention to the very end, you might have seen them saying that, well, if you can't defend against it, you can't challenge it.
It can go faster and do things you can't do.
It could, and it's in our airspace without permission, then it could be perceived as a threat.
Well, from a military mindset, I can see why they say that.
It's sort of been the narrative they've been pushing for a long time.
It's interesting because Project Blue Look said there's nothing to it.
Yeah, right.
So did the Common Committee, so did everything, and now there's a complete 180-degree turnaround.
Very fear-based narrative being put forth, which I don't think is warranted.
I certainly entered this field kind of concerned, but as I spoke with people who are out in direct contact, I realized that, you know, 100 cases of healing is no joke.
I've since found 300 cases, and most of the people I talk to don't feel like this was a negative experience for them.
So I feel like there is sort of a false fear-based narrative being put forth.
That's not warranted, not true.
It's my assessment based on my own research.
I know a lot of people I've talked to have certainly had very frightening encounters that they did not like.
Right.
Ultimately, most of them, I will say, felt after several encounters like, okay, you know, I've had a lot of spiritual growth from this.
My psychic abilities are going off the charts.
They've been giving me warnings and information and teaching me all of this stuff.
Perhaps this isn't so bad.
So, I think we have to be really careful.
Well, we look at this, step back, take an objective viewpoint, you know, move past the sort of fear that is so, you know, drenching our society and color people.
perceptions of what's going on?
Well, I kind of come I fall in as above so below so that we have both positive and negative beings coming in.
And, and I think there is, there is plenty of documented case cases of human Various attacks and so on.
I think they keep that quite quiet.
But I think the cattle mutilations and things like that are also indicative of something that they're really experimenting on.
And then there's the The gray human hybrid, you know, abduction program that is a, you know, it is interfering with our genome and in a very serious way and that has been pretty successful as far as I'm concerned.
So there are aspects that are questionable, let's say, and I think there is a good reason for the military to be on guard, especially with regard to the reptilians.
But if you haven't really spent a lot of time investigating that side of it, I have, and I can say that it relates to what you might know of as the Gerenochrome Highway.
Are you familiar with that term?
I certainly heard it, yeah.
And the abduction of children and actually refugees disappearing off the planet, being taken off by slave ships.
So there is actually even remote viewers right now working for Courtney Brown are coming across those.
types of cases with insectoids and and you know reptilians and so on.
So there may be some things that you haven't come across simply because of the way you sort of the angle that you took.
Now what is it what is striking to you about the school sightings as opposed to say other sightings anything particular?
Yeah well I will say I've talked to a lot of people, just backtracking a little bit, and I don't edit people's encounters or anything, and I haven't come across a whole lot of negativity, but that's neither here nor there.
But the schoolyard encounters really caught my interest, because they are different.
There's really not a whole lot of cases out there like them, because these are daylight, for the most part, very low-level encounters, long-lasting, One third of these cases involve landings in humanoids.
That's a lot.
Yeah.
And very positive.
Basically, I think this is sort of a publicity campaign that the ETs are doing, introducing their presence to society.
In a way, that's quite clever, because children are often seen and not heard, but none of them have retracted their stories.
They've stuck to it.
They're very impressionable.
They don't have prejudgments.
Right.
They're not fearful of things that look perhaps a little different.
But yeah, I found out that of the 100 cases I found initially, and this is now probably closer to 200, adults are there in half the cases.
So you can't say, oh, these are just kids.
Right.
That's true, yes.
You know, it's elementary, junior high, high school, and colleges as well.
Half the cases are elementary schools.
But yeah, very low-level daylight displays are long-lasting and very widely viewed.
So we're talking 30, 40 on the lower end, up to 200, 300, 400.
And just... I mean, you're meaning children on the scene at the time?
Is that what you're referring to?
Or the number of cases?
Yeah.
Oh, the number of witnesses.
Yeah, because it's fascinating in that you've got a built-in, you know, sort of group of more than 10 children usually.
So, and then you, as you say, you've got adults in attendance, so it is fascinating.
Now, it does sound like you might have gone into cases that are in other parts of the world, or did you concentrate in the United States?
I followed the evidence where it took me, and it was so amazing because this turned out to be absolutely worldwide.
You know, it's difficult to get information out of some countries, You know, Russia, China, Japan, you know, the Middle East.
But I got a few, and certainly a bunch across the U.S., Canada, all across South America, Africa, of course.
It's not just the Ariel Elementary School.
There was one in South Africa as well that was quite striking.
All across Europe, England.
I mean, you name it, it's everywhere, starting probably mostly from 1950 onwards.
But it's so interesting because there would be one or two real high-quality cases each year.
It was almost kind of map them out.
There was this interesting timing and location to it.
And it really reminded me of someone doing a book tour or a concert tour, going from city to town to, you know, various locations and doing a little show, which is ultimately what it amounted to.
These were what we would call, for the most part, Close encounters of the first kind, second kind, and a number of them with landing traces, or people perhaps feeling heat or, you know, some physiological effect.
Very few cases of people, you know, having, you know, being taken on board.
There's a couple, you know, people started, they would have, the schoolyard encounter would occur, and one student would start having encounters after that.
Right.
That's pretty rare, though.
Well, did you look into the cases in Wales, in England, for example?
Because they've had quite a few there.
Oh yeah, the Broadhaven case in 1977, I think it was?
Yes.
Broadhaven Elementary School in Wales, part of the Welsh Triangle there.
Yeah.
Your typical case, it's the same thing.
It's the UFO lands.
Right in the grove of trees, bunch of kids run out, they see it.
Turned out a couple of school officials saw it as well.
They didn't come forward at first, but they verified this.
There's a certain pattern to these cases that is very prominent.
Raymond Fowler investigated a case where they came down over Yeah.
a high school and went straight from there to a nearby college.
And these were literally, you know, minutes apart.
Yeah.
When the encounter occurred.
So I mean, it's clear that this is not just, you know, people outside and happen to see this.
No, they're going directly to students.
Yes, very interesting.
And then the children also draw pictures, which further documents it, right?
That's often happening in these cases.
Yeah, and it's really touching and poignant to see these drawings and hear the children's interview.
Broadhaven, they have reunions pretty much every year.
A number of them do.
Okay.
And it's really interesting to see because this is something that affects a person quite profoundly.
A simple sighting can change your worldview.
No doubt.
When I've talked to, you know, I haven't, I wasn't able to trace all these cases personally because a lot of them never got farther than the local news, you know, the newspaper or what have you.
But I was able to find people and interview them directly.
And wow, it is just so awesome to hear their accounts, because you can see the emotion, you know, feel the emotion and really sense their sincerity and honesty as they're speaking about something that occurred, you know, when they were just little kids.
Right, and it does stay with you.
So, what about this idea that people have been harassed by law enforcement, by what we call the deep state now, agencies, and that sort of thing.
I mean, you were in MUFON as well, right?
So you must be aware, I don't know if you're aware, but I have testimony from people that say that it's, MUFON is run by the CIA.
Yeah, well I've looked into, you know, this sort of thing, because if you look into the history of any of these citizen UFO groups, one by one they're infiltrated.
Yes.
And it's, I think, Indicative of how seriously our own, quote, secret governments take this subject.
Sure.
Spending an enormous amount of time, money, and effort, and energy to make UFO witnesses look like fools, and drug users, and idiots, and so forth.
Explaining away all accounts as hoaxes, hallucinations, or misperceptions, or mental illness.
Right.
Which is absolutely not true.
Yeah, and I've talked to enough contactees where a number of them have had real problems with surveillance.
And threats as well.
And this turned up in some of the schoolyard encounters.
There was one in Sacred Heart Elementary School in Illinois, where a police officer was on the scene when one of these UFOs showed up.
Well, he just happened to have a camera in his cruiser, so he ran and get it and took some film of this object as it's moving off.
I saw the film.
You can find it online.
By today's standards, it's okay.
It shows a little light in the sky moving off.
A boy Some secret government agents showed up.
They were so interested.
They kind of gave them a few threats here and there, not to talk about it.
It was a big deal.
Oh, wow.
And that certainly happened in Westall High School case.
Kids were taken separately into offices without parental permission or supervision and threatened.
Wow.
That's in Australia.
That's the Australian one, right?
Yeah.
Their government has really revealed itself to be extremely sort of like Nazis across the board, even during COVID.
So their reputation is pretty solid at this point as being an extremely rigid government.
Strange because their people are the opposite.
You know, Australians are like one of the most open people you could ever hope to meet, in my opinion.
And, you know, they're friendly and open and outspoken as well.
So it's very interesting they have such a rigid and restrictive government.
How that works together, I'm not sure, but... Kind of all two are just not fully realizing it.
The secret government, this cover-up is no joke.
Yes.
Our governments are taking this very seriously, and I do not think that they have our best interests in mind.
No, yeah, for sure.
Now, in terms of things like, you know, I don't know what your, because I haven't read your books, but did you ever concentrate on any particular cases, like where you spent maybe even a whole book on a case?
I'm going to be having a speaker at my conference, which I do every year in England, and he's going to be talking about the Rendlesham case.
The Rendlesham case is very famous for the witnesses being threatened, controversial stories, Opposite stories, opposite testimonies, even the people that, after the fact, argue with each other endlessly over it.
Any cases that you have concentrated on like that?
To some extent.
Again, I concentrate mostly on contactees, so a number of my books are contactee compilations of 10 or 20 accounts.
I did a whole book on sightings over drive-in theaters, A couple on healing cases.
But yeah, I did meet a lady by the name of Dolly Safran, who is a fully conscious contactee, who's not having missing time, moved past fear, working directly with the ETs in a very extensive way, vetted her story to the point, because she has photographs, she has film, she has medical evidence, she's got corroborating witnesses.
She's the real deal, an unimpeachable resume.
So I did put out a book called Symmetry, And writing a sequel on that about her lifelong experiences.
It's really my only book that focuses on one person.
Okay.
Did very well and I'm not surprised because the information she had really gave me a much clearer picture of the E.T.
agenda, mission, goal, why they're here on Earth.
Okay, why does she think they're here on Earth?
Well, this is really interesting to me because she confirmed what I had pretty much already concluded, that when a person is taken on board, they're physically examined.
And this can be very scary for people, and this is when people start to perceive this as a negative experience, you know, it's against my will, I don't like it, it was painful, and this is when they often have missing time.
And a number of people I've talked to have had more awareness of what happened to them so they'll be perhaps taken down to the engine room and shown how the craft works and explained all the craft is operated or taken up to the control room we've talked to people who've been sat down in the pilot seat and allowed to pilot the craft we're taken up to what i would call the observation deck and they'll show you a field of stars
perhaps that's most common or the earth and even other planets saturn that comes up a few times And if you get any communication behind you, don't be afraid.
We're not here to hurt you.
You're okay.
You're fine.
They will usually talk to you about warnings against nuclear proliferation, our warlike ways, aggression, information about future catastrophes, dangers of greed and corruption.
Pollution, the destruction of the environment, this sort of thing.
So this is what I'm trying to pull together, and she absolutely confirmed that.
She says, oh yeah, she's been healed.
She's watched people be healed as well.
She's watched people go into full panic because this can be very scary.
Often, usually, it's very scary for people.
The worst I hear is the physical exam.
Sure.
I don't really have any cases of what I would call outright courtship or ETs trying to hurt people.
But her story was so amazing to hear her describe how they took her from a very early age, actually, and asked if she'd like to work with them.
And she agreed.
And when she moved past missing time and fear and had a very interactive encounter, Where they asked her, how can we help you?
What would you like to learn?
She's like, I'd love to learn how you pilot these craft.
They had sat her down in the seat and let her do it.
Sounds crazy, but Grant Cameron just wrote a book about this, Sky Pilots.
It's got a lot of cases.
I have several myself.
And that really sparked her.
Okay.
Is that meaning people, people that are abducted, Or having contact and then are offered to pilot the craft or something.
Yeah, precisely.
Well, you know, I mean, that sounds like a good sales job to me.
I don't think you're going to get, you know, them.
They're so adept at hiding anything negative that you probably wouldn't come across that under those circumstances.
But there can be an overlay.
So yeah, I'm not as open to it in a positive way as you are.
I am, however, very aware that there are both good and bad.
So it really depends who you're dealing with, just like with humans.
But anyway, so when you're out there and doing your interviews and so on, how did you conduct them?
Did you have a camera?
Because I know they showed up in your books, so you're mainly a writer, but it sounds like you did fly out to meet your contactees and things.
A lot of them were local, so that was certainly helpful.
Okay.
And rarely have I filmed them, but that certainly has happened, yeah.
Okay.
I always record them, because I won't do an interview unless you allow me to record it.
I won't use it, certainly.
Like audio recording is what you mean?
Is that what you mean?
Right.
I'll do a preliminary interview.
I'll start vetting the witness, getting character references and so forth, fact-checking everything they say.
Then I'll do a recorded interview in depth.
Go through the whole process, you know, let investigators do.
Now did you ever encounter, have any, any witnesses that have been either exposed to Antarctica or had ETs that came from Antarctica or anything like that?
I have not.
Okay.
That's interesting.
So you haven't really come across anything about Antarctica in your travels?
No.
You know, I read all the books and stuff.
Sure.
Yeah.
I'm not sure of the exact number.
It's two, three, four hundred people I've interviewed formally.
Okay.
And probably close to a thousand informally.
All right.
It hasn't come up.
It just has not.
And then what about, so you, like the people that you've interviewed, did you, because you know we're doing this on Zoom, but did you, and I understand that you maybe did most of your work even years ago, so maybe the technology wasn't really there, but are you talking about phone interviews or did you go to the wherever they were?
Or in the, as you say, locally, mainly.
Yeah.
I mean, one guy was a medic, a Navy medic, Kevin Kamen, and he lived in San Diego and I wasn't far from there.
So we were able to do face-to-face interviews, which is always helpful because you can read the cues and see a person face-to-face.
And there was another gentleman who had an amazing set on Catalina Island.
I invited him to my house and filmed him.
He agreed to it.
Okay.
It was never possible.
Yeah.
Absolutely fun.
These days you can do it remotely through Zoom or Skype and still get, you know, some really good information that way.
But yeah, I mean, I've done a few through email only.
That's pretty rare because some witnesses are quite shy.
Okay.
Back in the day, before the internet, and when this subject was really reviled and ridiculed most people did not want their name used and they were very shy to even be recorded so it sometimes takes real you know convincing like listen i am not going to reveal your identity i'll sign whatever i have if you want which happened a couple of times so yeah
i mean it's being a ufo researcher as i'm sure you know has its challenges yes well so was this your main career or did you have something else that you did on the side i did i I worked full time.
Initially, it was data entry and filing, but I worked my way up.
To doing bookkeeping and became a full-charge bookkeeper.
Oh, I see.
Yeah, full-time for 35 years.
So you didn't actually make your money from all the books you wrote?
Oh, God, no.
Okay.
People who think you're going to make money, you know, you might.
I mean, if you're a Whitley Striever or somebody, you might get an amazing advance, but no, no.
Well, I've made some money.
I wrote a book.
It's right behind me called, you know, Rebel Gene.
I can't make enough now to support my habit to pay for the computer and the internet and so forth.
But no, it's not an easy road to go down.
And especially, I think, even back then was more difficult because now we have so many people out doing this kind of thing that it's not as shocking or surprising to people when you introduce yourself as a A UFO investigator or anything of that nature, right?
Right.
So did you come across people that you would interview in the MUFON setting?
Did you get some of your stories from there?
Oh yeah, initially.
I worked mostly with MUFON and they would refer a case and I would research it as a MUFON researcher.
Submit the files and send it off and it would go to sort of a, you know, just, I'm not sure where it goes, honestly, and it kind of, you know, occasionally it would get published in the MUFON journal.
I started to get a little frustrated and eventually just kind of, well, I still support MUFON.
I do.
I think there's a lot of good people in there who are really trying to get the word out.
I ultimately decided to work independently because I felt I had more freedom To get the word out, because there's a lot of great researchers out there, but not a lot of them are, you know, sharing their research, which is, you know, why are you researching it?
Is it just for you?
Well, I can understand, you know, because initially that's why I did it, but it became a big part of my goal was not only to research, but to educate.
Yes, absolutely.
to be able to do that.
So I pulled away from MUFON in terms of working for them.
But yeah, still support them.
Still am a member.
I still speak occasionally in MUFON groups.
Okay.
I do love...
The little state groups are wonderful.
But yeah, you know about some of the problems.
I've talked to some people who are unhappy with various UFO groups, including MUFON.
But like I said, you know, this is a subject that's very tightly controlled.
I mean, you know this.
Yes.
It's a real shock.
To me, it was an absolute shock coming into this field and realizing there was a cover-up.
I was very naive.
I thought our government was telling the truth.
No, they were not!
Oh, that's interesting.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, I guess by the time I, you know, by your standards, I came to the scene rather late, although I've now been doing this for close to 20 years.
But initially, you know, the first time I was involved was probably around 2004.
Although I actually was abducted when I was a kid and had my own experiences.
So, you know, maybe You know, a little different in that respect.
In your books, you say you don't have much to do with reptilians.
I am noticing there is one here that at least the cover looks like a reptilian.
I don't know.
It's not from here selected UFO articles.
So is it you just happen to put that particular picture on the screen on the book or what happened with that?
Yeah, the Not From Here volumes are all about sort of finding different patterns in UFO research, outlying cases, UFOs hovering over graveyards perhaps, or over prisons, or the Bigfoot UFO connection, UFOs tracking our rockets, and things like this.
Various aspects of ufology that haven't gotten a whole lot of attention.
And the first one was a gray.
I don't know.
I think it was, yeah, gray.
The second was a reptilian.
The third was a human-looking.
The fourth was... So I kind of just picked various ET types for the cover.
But yeah, I have gotten a few reptilian cases.
There was one where a lady had one come through the wall.
It was quite negative for her.
She felt like it was trying to steal her soul.
She didn't like it at all.
It was, as she said, horrific.
What about Charles Hall?
Are you familiar with Charles Hall?
He's in the Tall Whites and his books.
I read his books.
Did you read his books, by chance?
I did.
Millennial Hospitality.
They were compelling.
They're wonderful.
I heard him speak once, too.
He kind of couched his books as being, quote, semi-fictional, but it's clear he's telling a true story.
He's probably pretty much said that.
Yeah, I did meet him in person at one point.
I tried to interview him, but his wife wouldn't let him do an interview.
But I think his story is really fascinating and quite excellent.
And I think it accurately depicts the race of tall whites that he dealt with in that area.
Yeah, I found his book interesting.
There was little elements there that really rang true for me.
He got very interested in mathematics and This is something you see with a lot of contactees.
They're interested in quantum physics and all the science and stuff.
Yeah, there's quite a few things he said like, wow, he seems like a genuine contactee.
So, let's see.
It looks like you've investigated Bigfoot as well.
Is that right?
Yes, it's true and it was something I didn't really want to do, but very early on in investigations it became clear that there's a paranormal connection.
A lot of the witnesses I was interviewing were having experiences like with spirits or mediumship or near-death experiences or out-of-body experiences or telepathy and clairvoyance, levitation.
Bigfoot, of course, reared his head when I interviewed a gentleman who had an UFO land in his backyard, followed the next day by a Bigfoot and a poltergeist outbreak.
Shortly after that, I had another lady who was a contactee have a Bigfoot encounter.
So where were these people in the Pacific Northwest, or where were they located?
One, Robert Murphy was his name, a radiologist, was in Canyon Country, which is kind of on the north end of LA.
We passed the National Forest, which, you know, you wouldn't think of it as a wilderness area, but it is.
Like a half a million acres with a huge history of Bigfoot.
I didn't know.
Right.
You know, and I kind of avoided Bigfoot, but finally I'm like, okay, you know, you got to follow the evidence where it takes you.
Right.
You're not doing real science if you're throwing away evidence or ignoring any part of this.
And so I'm like, okay, let's go.
And I investigated Bigfoot.
Uh, which became a whole can of worms, as you might imagine.
I found out, yeah, there's a cover-up on this too, and it is real, and the evidence is mountainous.
There is a connection.
And most people who see Bigfoot aren't going to see a UFO, and vice versa.
But there's a good one, two hundred cases, well documented on record, where these two phenomena, for lack of a better word, intersect perfectly.
Yes, I had a very big, big foot witness that came forward and.
And I interviewed him, I think, three times.
And I also met, I was speaking in Yelm, Washington, and I met, you know, some experts on Bigfoot at that time.
I've had people on my show talking about it as well.
So, you know, I firmly believe that they're a real race of beings.
And the Yetis as well, so, and the Squatch, they call them Squatch, may be a different sort of lineage than the Yetis, but there may be a relationship there too.
Yeah, it's all over the world, no doubt about that.
I ended up writing a book for Chelsea House and did a deep dive in it, and it was shocking Yeah, South America, Europe, Russia, China, you name it.
California is one of the big hot spots in the U.S., California, Oregon, Washington, but really everywhere.
It's amazing.
I agree there's sort of different variations, but You know, wild men too.
I mean, not your typical Sasquatch, but little people, you know, elf-like fairies, and there's a lot going on that gets put under the UFO umbrella.
That's true.
But all kinds of, I don't like that term, supernatural beings, but let's call them that for lack of a better word.
It's not just us on this planet.
That's for sure.
Or in the universe, for that matter.
So let me see.
I'm trying to actually get to the chat.
Now, I don't want to keep you too long, and I appreciate your time.
I would like to get questions in the chat.
So if you have a question for Preston, Here's your chance and why don't we just maybe look at the chat and see if you have to put a question mark at the end of your statement so if you're if you've been putting chat in there but you haven't put a question then you might put a question in when you get a chance.
Now I said I think it's saying there's somebody who Wants to know, I'm not sure what this name is.
Are Andorra crystals real?
Andorra.
I'm not sure what an Andorra crystal is.
I certainly know crystals.
I couldn't say.
I don't know.
Okay.
That was just somebody asking a question back a while ago.
Let's see what else is.
is going on here.
Not sure the chat really relates to exactly what we're talking about here, so I'm not even gonna spend some time looking at it.
So if you do have a question and you want to ask Preston, please put a question mark at the end of the question.
Let's see.
Do you think Todd Standing's Sasquatch footage is real?
Do you know that person?
Well, I don't know him.
I know the footage.
Oh?
And, you know, initially I was like, wow, look at this.
And then it started to become really surrounded with controversy.
Obviously, I can't say for sure.
I don't know.
It does look a little bit too good to be real.
And some of the people who've looked into it have some pretty good arguments as to why this might not.
I don't know.
Okay.
I do feel like there's enough evidence out there to say for sure Bigfoot is real.
I had my own encounter, actually.
Oh, yeah?
Which, you know, convinced me, because I had gone to see this lady who was having encounters.
She's like, I think I know where it's hanging out.
I'm like, you're kidding.
And she was a good witness, because she had, you know, it came and looked in her window that night.
It looked in all the windows of the house, and her son saw it.
Talked to him.
Her roommate saw it.
I talked to him.
The branch in the tree was broken, and it was a big branch.
Which, you know, isn't conclusive evidence, certainly, but she had quite a bit of evidence, in terms of other eyewitness testimony, and a very credible witness.
And she's like, I think it lives in this canyon not far from my house.
This is Acton, on the other side of the LA National Forest.
And we went up there, because we were bringing equipment, sound equipment, camera equipment, we were going to do a little stakeout, and we drove This is not far off the 14 freeway, the 14 and the 5 freeway.
And she lives a few miles down this road.
And then we drove from her house deeper into this wilderness area on a dirt road.
And it was dusk by the time we got there.
Stars were coming out.
She's like, I think it lives in this canyon over here.
And it was already black.
You couldn't see in it because it was edging towards night at this point.
And it's a very steep canyon with walls at 45 degrees with brush.
So I'm pretty sure this is where it's coming from.
She was starting to have telepathic communication with it, which some witnesses have reported.
Yes.
So I'm getting out of the car and I'm surveilling the scene and she's pulling out the equipment, the sound equipment and the cameras, when we hear this roar, a loud roar, And now, mind you, I grew up in Topanga Canyon, which had cougars.
Yes.
You know, I love bears.
I'm all about bears.
You know, I've been to the zoo when a lion roared right next to me.
So my point is, I kind of know my roars.
And this was like not a cougar.
And it wasn't a coyote.
And it wasn't anything I could identify because it was rumbling in your chest.
And it was multi-tonal.
And it went on for 20, 30 seconds.
It was loud, and I'm trying to pinpoint it, because it sounded like a jet.
I mean, this is how loud it was.
And it stopped, and she's absolutely white.
She's stricken with terror, and it roars again.
This time I can tell it's coming from that canyon.
I start running towards it, and she's like, what are you doing?
My God, we're leaving right now!
So she became absolutely hysterical.
I wanted to see it, but I didn't.
I heard it.
She said the word three times.
By that point, I had pretty much trained myself to be a good observer.
I'm pretty sure it was twice.
Maybe she's right.
I don't know.
Because it was a lot to process.
But that was my audible Bigfoot encounter.
That's cool.
This person wants to know, what is the percentage of abductions on earth?
I'm not sure that's a question anyone could really answer intelligently, because a lot of them are going to be secret, but if you want to take a stab at it, go ahead.
Yeah, well, first I'll call them on-board experiences, because some people don't like that term.
Okay.
It can be triggering for some people, and on-board encounter is neutral.
But I first heard this quote from J. Allen Hynek that 1 in 40 people have had this experience early on in my research.
And I thought, no way!
How can he say that?
That's far too many.
I would know somebody.
And that's what really got me to ask everyone I knew.
And I found, I didn't have to ask 40 people, and I found three, well, three to five people who had had this experience.
And gosh, that's a lot.
And I surveyed the literature.
Quoting people like Whitley Strieber and Jacques Vallée and all the main researchers at that time, and wrote this article called 140.
You know, a hidden epidemic for the Mufon Journal.
I see.
This was in 1990.
Then in 1991, the Roper Polling Organization did a poll, a formal survey, where they asked many thousands of people, You know, big list of questions with hidden UFO questions, so the people wouldn't know that this was really a UFO survey.
And they found one in 50.
One in 50 people showed markers of having had, being a contactee, or having had an onboard experience.
The editor of the MUFON Journal actually wrote me back.
He's like, oh my gosh, you were pretty close.
I'm like, oh no, it wasn't me.
It was Chao and Hynek, but thanks.
Yeah, I think it's far more common than people realize, and having talked to a lot of contactees, a number of them have told me that, oh yes, pretty much everyone is known by them, and it's far, far more common than people realize.
Yeah, I would agree with that for sure.
I'm looking to see I'm, it's hard to read or understand this question.
New to this.
Saw a lucid dream.
Mantis being.
Okay.
Did you ever do any books on the mantid?
Not specifically.
No, I don't know that anyone has done a specific mantid book.
I was looking for, I'm like, gosh, there was a good idea.
Certainly it does come up.
I would say far more common are greys or some variation of them, human-looking, mantids certainly, little blue beings, tall whites, strange humanoids of all kinds, almost always humanoid.
One gentleman, I think I mentioned him briefly, Navy medic by the name of Kevin Kamen, had a benevolent encounter where he was basically invited on board and had this long conversation telepathically with these Two very tall mantids.
I'm like, heaven, that's Tom's pretty big.
He's a trained observer.
I mean, he's a medic.
And he's like, listen, you know, you see how tall I am.
He was just over six feet.
So they were more than twice my height.
Like looking up at a basketball hoop.
Yes, definitely.
They're said to be nine feet tall, at least.
Yeah, that's usually what I hear.
Simon Parks is a Mantid contactee.
So you wouldn't you'd have them.
They'd have to stretch out to their full height.
Quite a few meant to Simon Parks is a mantid contactee.
Do you know who Simon Parks is?
I think so.
The guy from England?
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah, he was a, he was actually a political, he was in politics for several years and got voted into office and they, he actually talked about his, his E.T., what he thinks is his E.T.
mother, a mantid.
So he talks about, you know, contact experiences and had, to his constituency in England, and they still voted him into office.
So that was a good testimony, I think, to people being more open.
But the English people tend to be more open to all of this supernatural world in general, I would say.
And I travel in England quite a bit, so it's something about the environment and the history, you know, the long history that the place has.
I think so, yeah.
You know, fairies and all that kind of stuff too, right?
Yeah, I've talked to a number of people from England who are like, oh yeah, ghosts, we all believe, we know, it's not a question.
Yeah, very, very common, very easy to understand.
But there's also, you know, there's also a very dark side in England as, you know, having to do with Satanism and witchcraft and all of that is also very prevalent in England.
So there are, you know, but on the good side there are what you call Druids.
Maybe you're familiar with that.
You know, I have a good friend Maria Wheatley.
We lead tours in Egypt and she's a Druid.
Her father was a Druid.
He was the Me personally, no.
dowser for the queen of england so um she is an expert dowser i don't know if you've come across dowsers but anyway yeah uh all right well i'm i'm just scanning this um did you oh someone wants to know if you've had any encounters with pleiadians me personally no um pleiadian
i haven't had anyone tell me specifically when he teaches they encountered where pleiadian I've tracked that term from, you know, Billy Meyer and Barbara Marciniak and a number of people who claim this.
So I'm a bit skeptical, honestly.
People who have gotten a location from where there's each other... Oh, Ryan, I will say, that does come up.
Dolly Saverin talked about that.
I had another contact, Mike.
wing was his name.
A number of them have talked about Orion.
That certainly comes up.
But Pleiadian, no.
I've not had any contact.
He said, no, that the ETs told him they were Pleiadians.
Oh, all right.
Well, William Tompkins is a very famous contactee, Navy guy that I interviewed.
And he's definitely, his contacts were with the Pleiadians and the Reptilians, actually, in the Secret Space Program.
So I had direct interaction with that.
And I've also been told That I'm at least part Pleiadian, according to a lot of people telling me this, and Williams-Hopkins, so it's kind of interesting.
A lot of contactees are told basically that we are you, you are us, we share a common heritage.
Yeah, that's true.
That is true.
I do think that, you know, there's a tendency to call them and us, you know, us and them, when really our relationship to them is much closer.
Okay, now I think that's about it.
I'm scanning really quickly just in case I don't want to miss anything.
Okay, so someone's talking about the Queen and the reptilian heritage there, and certainly the Bush family's reptilian heritage is well known.
DNA, even.
I'm, you know, this is actually documented, but for whatever it's worth, and so on.
So, well, is there any particular book that you want to talk about before we close this down?
And I really appreciate you coming on the show.
Oh, thanks, Carrie.
It's always nice to be able to share one's research, so I appreciate that.
Symmetry is probably my favorite book.
If someone's going to check it out, I would definitely recommend that.
I just put out Not From Here, Volume 5, and also Humanoids and High Strangeness.
Those are two of my recent books.
I love the Schoolyard book.
I had so much fun writing that.
It was a real eye-opener for me.
I have to tell you, I did not know that this was a thing.
And that was followed up by UFOs over drive-ins, because that's very similar.
What, you know, UFOs putting on a display for a lot of people.
So yeah, there's a lot of information out there.
I would just tell people don't look to our line governments for answers.
If you want to know the answer, use your, you know, you have to do the work.
You have to assess all the information that's coming at you.
I trust the contactees far more than our own line governments.
Move past the fear.
Let love and compassion and truth guide your actions, and we'll get there.
Okay, well said.
All right, thank you everyone for watching and thank you Preston for being on my show and stay in touch, you know, if there's some case you suddenly get a bright idea you want to talk about in depth or even bring somebody along and we can do a three-way conversation with them and you think that that my audience might be interested.
So just saying there's an open door here for your for your research.
Appreciate that.
Thank you.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you everyone for watching.
Take care.
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