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Aug. 2, 2024 - Project Camelot
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NASA UFOS : DAVID TOON : TECH SIGNATURES
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Thank you.
Thank you.
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here today.
So, I have David Toon with me and it's great to have you here, David.
Thank you for having me.
I appreciate it.
Okay.
Yeah, it's great to have you here.
Let's get started and actually I have more than one bio for you now that I noticed and I do appreciate what you sent me so I'm going to put this on the screen and so the people can take a look at it and while I do that I'd like you to actually introduce yourself.
I can.
And, you know, because obviously we've just met and I can see that you've got a list of of your background here, which is really good and even some images and whatnot.
So I think this is a very helpful visual.
And it's now, it should be on my website with the link as well as on my telegram.
Once we record this, it will go on to Rumble.
That will be the more dependable place to find it, that and my website, because we never know what goes on with YouTube.
Yeah, understood.
Okay, all right.
So, but we are live, so go right ahead.
Well, again, thank you, Kerry, for having me.
I consider it an honor.
And a little bit about my background is I am from Phoenix, Arizona, and I grew up there, got married, started a family there, and then joined the military in about 1984.
Sorry, 1984.
This was way back in the day for a lot of folks.
And then what I did is I started a family and started traveling Army style, as they do.
Went around the world a little bit, most of the United States, though.
And I was blessed enough to get into military intelligence to start with.
And then I got into flying helicopters after.
Five years being enlisted and went to OCS, Officer Candidate School, and started flying helicopters and got to do that, both CONUS and OCONUS, which would be Afghanistan and Iraq.
So I did a little bit of Operation Iraqi Freedom 2, which is a 2004-2005 time frame.
I did a little bit of contracting work after I retired in 2006, after 22 years of Army.
And I went back to Iraq and Afghanistan to play another six, six and a half years as a contractor over there.
In the meantime, while I was in the Army, I picked up a BS degree in Liberal Studies.
And then when I got out of being a contractor, I joined up with Embry-Riddle Aeronautic University and picked up another BS degree in Small UAS, Unmanned Aircraft Systems.
And the economy wasn't doing too well at the time.
So since I couldn't find a job, I thought, eh, I'll go ahead and stick around the campus here and pick up a master's.
So I did that in Human Factors.
And same scenario, got out of that.
Economy just wasn't right.
So I stayed for another master's in Aeronautics and Space Studies.
And then I got hired by Embry-Riddle.
It was kind of nice.
I guess they just saw so much of me, they said, Miles, just hire me.
So yeah, I did a little bit of electronic warfare intercept systems work when I was in the Army that did a little bit of aviation work where they let me fly Scott helicopters, Hueys and AH-64 Apaches.
And as a contractor, I did some flight technician work with aerostats, which are these big white balloons that hold million-dollar cameras underneath them for forest protection.
And one of the things that has brought me here on your show, Kerry, is the time I spent at Inveriddle.
I came across some videos that perplexed me, weather videos, and led me to join MUFON back in 2015.
And because of that, I started really digging in to my Childhood curiosity, which is UFOs, been there all along, but now it started to become real for me.
And after I got into Embry-Riddle and joined MUFON, I started doing some research into some solar activity.
And when you do that, And you look at these solar satellite systems that we have for early warning and also just studying the Sun, you'll find some interesting artifacts that are, I shouldn't even say artifacts, interesting objects that are not artifacts that I've placed on this mini bio that you see right now.
That didn't fall into the category of asteroids or comets or other natural phenomena you see in space and space imagery.
And when I started coming across them, that's when I started digging in and thinking there's more to our life on this planet in this universe than just us.
And the things I was pulling out of the NASA archives and imagery and websites were mind-boggling to say the least.
So that's what I do, is I chase these things that NASA calls technosignatures, which is nothing more than astrobiology on steroids, where you're looking for signs of life.
And I've stumbled upon a whole archive of space imagery that contains what I think to be technosignatures, and they're in our own backyard and around our sun.
So that's what led me to where I'm at today and some of the discoveries I have.
And the last nine years I've been pulling images off NASA websites, For I guess 60,000 images worth and started putting them together and categorizing them and thought I'd start sharing.
Okay, now this is kind of an interesting approach.
Now, I think I've already asked you this, but did you ever hear of John Leonard Walson?
I don't recall.
Okay, because he's out there, he has a camera, and actually he photographs UFOs, right?
And he photographs the moon, and he photographs vehicles close to the sun, and so on and so forth.
So, I'm looking at your images, and I'm wondering, when you say you got them off the NASA website, so what you mean is you didn't shoot these pictures yourself, or you did?
I did not.
Not a single one.
I used the million-dollar cameras that are floating around by the sun.
You did what?
I used the million-dollar cameras that are floating around by the sun.
All right.
So, well, isn't there an assumption there that they're not hiding anything?
There is that assumption, but there's also the assumption that they're missing the details within their own photography.
Trust me, I take a look at lots of stuff, not just the sun.
I look at the moon and all the planets.
Anytime there's a new discovery or a new set of images that is 4K or even 8K, whatever they can get.
Anytime you can get some detail, I scour them very, very hard because the devil's in the details.
If you take the time and just comb through section by section of some of these high-res images, no matter what it is out in space, you might find some unusual objects.
But it takes a lot of patience, and when I did that to the satellite imagery that NASA has on their websites, The SBO satellite, the SOHO satellite, and the STEREO A and B satellites, those are where I draw my archived images from, and it's on the internet.
Carrie, you can go there right now and take a look at it yourself, and that's why I do it, because it's verifiable.
Okay, now, explain, you have a relationship with NASA, right?
I do not.
I have a appreciation of what NASA is putting out in their data sets.
Okay, but you don't.
But okay, maybe I misunderstood one of the things that you're associated with.
But you're part of this aerospace technician.
You're an aerospace technician.
You were involved with aeronautics and so on.
But not with NASA?
Not directly with NASA, if that is correct.
I use their archives of their imagery to glean through and find the objects that I have found.
And they have terabytes of data and it's just me going through it for the last nine years.
And I've pulled about 60,000 images that are worth re-evaluating.
And are you familiar with the face on Mars and the images that Richard Hoagland has put out and have you ever talked with him at all?
I have not.
I'm more like a one-man band who's just now decided to go on tour.
It's been a while.
I keep things quiet and I've just built up too much data to sit on it anymore, so I built a website.
I'm starting to talk to folks like yourself and get my data out in front of people so we can have this conversation and actually have something to look at.
Okay, so I'm going to pull up one of these things here.
I guess this is the back of your book, is that right?
Yes, that's the back of my book, that is correct.
Okay, so there is some interesting information here.
So this is what I was kind of looking at.
The object's identification at the Emery Riddle Aeronautical University Astronomy Department, Daytona Beach, Florida, where you were a student.
Okay, so can you explain that bit?
Well, it was kind of funny.
That's where everything started.
I looked at a weather radar one day right before I went to school, thinking I needed to get an umbrella.
I wasn't sure.
I'm in Florida, by the way, Daytona Beach area.
And the weather radar showed a bunch of little macrobursts all across Florida, but there was no clouds.
So I went to spaceweather.com to take a look at what could have hit us, like a CME or whatever, and I didn't see it, but I saw some really strange stuff in the space images that are archived, like I was saying before, off of the solar satellite systems.
And what I did is I took these stills, screenshots, that had some peculiar shapes in them.
And again, these are all satellite cameras.
They're just aimed at the Sun.
And I took it into the astronomy department, which was actually above me at the time where I was going through my studies.
And I walked in with about 10 pictures, and I said, hey, I'm not a student in your department, but I have some questions about the SOHO satellite system and images that it's producing.
There's some really crazy things in here.
So, I went into the department chair, and he was kind enough to give me about 5-10 minutes of his time.
Or at least one of the scientists that were up there, who's also a professor.
And he looked at my images, I only had 10 at the time, and he kind of patted me on the head and he said, David, you know, you got to understand a lot of this stuff, there's cosmic rays, there's artifacts within the camera system itself, and the lenses, and he just explained everything.
You know, as gently as possible, because I wasn't in that particular department or going through that field at the time.
And he was explaining how certain objects really weren't objects.
They were cosmic rays, or I was seeing stuff that was, you know, high-energy particles.
But on three of them, three out of the ten, he looks at them and he said, well, you know what?
I'm just not sure about these.
And I said, seriously?
And he goes, yeah, they do look a little bit interesting.
So I ran out of his office, and that's what started my pursuit into the archives of satellite imagery, to find things that are outside the norm.
And it turns out there's a lot of things that are outside the norm.
You just have to know the field of study, what artifacts are, what is false, what is true, what is natural, what is unnatural.
Otherwise you chase sparkles and dots and lines all day long and you call them all UFOs and you look like You know, somebody's just lost their mind.
So, I didn't want to get into categories, so I went and checked.
Okay, and you're something of an expert on satellite imagery, and you also are a helicopter pilot, right?
Yes, a former helicopter pilot.
when I left the military in 2006, that's when I retired.
I was a Apache pilot on...
Also had some time in the Hueys and Scouts.
So I've got a lot of airtime.
Some, most of it's in the United States, some of it in Iraq.
So I've been in a lot of airspace and that helps me be able to identify things that are in the air or in the sky.
So yeah, I have some pilot time behind me.
And even when I was a military intelligence enlisted guy, I had a top secret clearance.
And so when I did electronic repair at the time, I was getting into all sorts of types of systems.
So as I went through the ranks and then got to fly helicopters, my Apache, of course, has a FLIR system, which is a really nice sensor for picking out objects and identifying for targeting.
But I understood sensor technology from the get-go.
And so picking up satellite images off of the Soho and SDO and stereo.
I understood the technology behind what they were doing.
JPL, I think, put together a lot of these camera systems, so it was common for me to find what artifacts were really trashing up the image and what artifacts were computer compression problems, but
There are still things within some of these images that didn't fall into any artifact category and that didn't fall into natural category like comets or asteroids.
So my piloting and my electronics background really helped me pursue this endeavor.
Okay, so I'm trying to kind of place your background and figure out what you've seen, what you haven't seen, what you're aware of, what you're not aware of, and that kind of thing.
And And it's actually not that easy, because you're kind of like an interesting combination of things, right?
A renaissance man in that regard.
Correct.
And Carrie, I am a jack-of-all-trades, so that's why it's hard to pin me down.
But a lot of it supports this particular endeavor that I'm on, is because I do have electronics background.
I do have sensor background.
I have flown in the air.
I have 1,200 hours.
I mean, obviously.
And you've also been in related fields in aviation, right?
Um, I have, yes, the Aerostat Belimps that I used to fly in Afghanistan had million dollar cameras underneath them, and they were optical, they were IR.
They gave us some FLIR capabilities.
So we had the ability to see in different spectrums.
And again, I'm comfortable with that.
But that's exactly what satellites do.
They give you a spread of spectrum beyond what the eyes can see.
We're talking UV, X-ray, magnetism.
So there's other Areas along the visual spectrum that satellites can detect and pull, and that's where the fascinating part is, that's where most of my technosignatures are found, is beyond the visual spectrum, but into the ultraviolet.
Okay, now as, I don't know, a helicopter pilot, or what you're saying, and they had the cameras, you were on board with them, so did you ever see anything anomalous at the time, and did those cameras ever record anything?
Good question.
I was not one of the lucky ones, like the F-15 pilots or F-16 pilots, they chased the UFOs across the water.
That would have been cool.
Unfortunately, the AH-64 Alpha model that I was flying had some of the first generation FLIR systems on them.
So what we were able to discern Technically, it was really battle-related.
We weren't air-to-air, so I wasn't looking at the sky.
It was mostly the ground area of operations.
So I don't have anything that ever flew in front of my system other than low-flying birds or maybe some white-tailed deer on the gun ranges.
I don't have anything.
But you were actually out there because you went back to Afghanistan, right?
So you had quite a tour, as they say.
I'm sorry, but I just find this hard to believe.
And so I think that out there, there would be even if you didn't have it happen to you directly, then there would be others that would talk about those kinds of things coming across something that they couldn't explain in the skies at night, blah, blah, blah.
I had one instance when I was in Afghanistan in the far east sector right up against the border and it was looking through our our camera systems and we had an engagement in the village below and what happened was
The radio systems that we could hear and the camera that we were focusing on the village was really scanning for and helping out the command because our images or what they were using to bring in the little birds, Apaches or whatever they were to take care of
The bomb makers and the villages and people that were doing small skirmishes and firefights, they would call in air support.
And one night we had an instance where our special operations guys were out in the field and they had found some IEDs and pulled back.
And they brought in some of the aircraft, like Apaches and whatever, to come and take a look and neutralize the stuff on the ground because they could just shoot their 30-mic mic and blow the stuff up in the ground and everybody's fine.
But once the air cleared, we had no more engagements for that night.
About an hour later, I was still scanning, making sure that our forward operating base was secure.
And since nothing was in the air, nothing was coming in, nothing was going out, I couldn't identify an object that had three triangular glow spots to them.
Because I know most of the fixed-wing aircraft, the fighters come in, they have one or two jets in the back.
This had three.
And so when I saw it off in the distance and it sped off like a jet, it came around our area and then sped straight out.
I couldn't identify it, but I know everybody in the headquarters section could see it, but no one talked about it.
It was just far enough out where you didn't see the aircraft outline to say what model or type it was.
So, to be honest with you, I think that was considered an unknown, but in a battle space like that, It's easier to say, well, it's just something that the government has and we're not sure of.
Or it's, you know, from some other country's aircraft.
But we were supposed to be clear of all aircraft during that time.
And this thing whipped in and whipped out at pretty high speeds and no one ever said anything.
No one ever said, yeah, they're inbound to help out or they're outbound or they're crossing through.
It just happened and they left.
Okay, so, but you were flying, it looks like, in all these sort of operations in, I'm looking here, 2004 to 2005, then 2006 to 2012.
And then, I guess then that's kind of more or less, you might have, I'm not sure if you had any flight time after that.
No, I was pretty much school bound after all that.
So, but during that time, you know, what I'm saying, because I haven't been to Afghanistan, but I've been to the Middle East, and I've been to Africa, and I've been in these various places where the skies are, it's, you know, there's not as much population, the skies are very clear at night, and The chances of seeing some anomalous craft are much greater in places like that.
To say nothing of the fact that the military is probably doing a lot of stuff.
So whether it's ours or theirs, you know that kind of dilemma.
Right.
But still, I would still think that you would have seen or even been exposed to stuff like that.
Now, I just want to show you, I want to share with the audience this particular, see if this will show up.
Yeah, I think it will.
Did I do that right?
Yeah.
Okay, so can you see what I'm looking at here?
Yes.
Actually, I want to draw your attention to this particular video, but this is John Walson's photograph.
I know John Walson, I think you could say fairly well.
He's come to a lot of my conferences in the UK, and I've seen his equipment.
He is a wild guy, and he's got a telescope like you wouldn't believe, and he's got this camera that's gigantic.
It's perfect.
And these are our craft that he's photographed even years ago, see this says 2011, by the sun, right?
by the sun, right?
Yep.
I've got similar.
Okay, fine.
So you kind of recognize this now.
Now, we believe, I mean, this is just, you know, this doesn't mean it's correct, but I've interviewed a guy named William Tompkins.
Did you ever hear of him?
I have.
Okay, now I interviewed him.
He is Navy, and he was discovered when he was a kid creating models.
He looked at ships and somehow could make models that were absolutely accurate.
And so he came to the notice of the military, and they recruited him from then on, basically.
And some of these ships, as Walson is photographing, actually bear a very close resemblance to Walson.
I'm not Walson, but to his stuff.
So I'm sorry, I'm just getting a little bit.
I dropped his name.
William Tompkins.
So, William Tompkins has these designs and, um, of aircraft and some of them look strikingly like some of these.
And so I think it's very possible these are ours, um, and so on.
So what do you think, you know, have you seen these images before?
I haven't seen this one in particular, but it's not shocking to me.
Alright.
Only because of the collection of images I have from NASA's archives, this is typical.
Um, it's, it's almost nonsensical because your brain has never seen this before.
So in this world of astrobiology and techno signature hunting and all this kind of stuff, you're going to see some shapes that defy explanation.
You know, they're not ours because most of it's rounded.
Or just very differently organized than what we're used to.
This is exciting.
The fact that he's captured something this long on a video is incredible work.
I use just the still photography that NASA provides.
Okay.
Okay, so well, I wanted to sort of show you that and then I don't know if I can get back to the main page.
But anyway, so let me just close that down for now.
Now, I want you to share some of your images because I know you got some sitting there and you also have a whole website full of images.
So let's have you sort of introduce your images with that sort of jumping off place here.
Not a problem.
Yeah.
Let me dive right in then, if I may.
I'm going to take over and put it on my side.
Can you see my stuff there?
Hold on a second.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yes.
One of the images you just showed Could very well be something that SDO found as well.
I don't know if you can see that very well, but these are organized patterns that shouldn't be organized or anywhere near the sun.
And every one of these that I've picked up comes from a solar satellite, either the SDO, SOHO, or STEREO systems.
And they're not asteroids, they're not comets.
And in fact, pictures like this are one of a kind.
There's no trail of pictures showing them coming and going.
They're indicating that they have some speed to them.
Here's one that is of a, I believe, a 131-inch drum system, and it shows some shape to it, and again, shot by a solar satellite system.
So, I go after images that Kind of defy the logic.
This particular object was one of the rare ones.
I had three pictures of this one in sequence.
It was a slow mover.
It didn't come off the sun.
It flew by the sun.
And I still don't know what I'm seeing, because I think they're technosignatures.
I think they're off-world.
And this is about the size of Jupiter, maybe bigger.
So when you start to realize the size and scope of some of these objects that are out there sitting by the Sun, or at least flying by the Sun, you know that they're not ours, and they're organized, and there's a bunch of them.
So, when you get a photograph from NASA, you're kind of at the mercy of how close they are in.
I mean, you can zoom in on it, right?
But can you get, you can't really get higher definition.
What you're seeing is a little darker than what I see in my files, because I think it's just the attenuation of signal.
Like this one here, you can barely see the lights going off to the left.
But the original picture, which I do with all my pictures, I give it the date-time group, so if anybody wants to look up the SDO File of 2013, February 24th at 2301 and 40 seconds.
You'll see the 4K image that I'm looking at.
And it's a little brighter and you can see structure.
It's not just a dark background.
It's pretty amazing.
So yes, there's more detail.
And if you go to solarsuspicions.com, you'll see the detail.
I have about 1,200 images posted there for people to enjoy.
I don't know if you can see this one or not.
This is off the surface of the sun.
And it was just in one photo.
But it's pretty obvious something's leaving the surface of the sun.
And it gives you enough detail.
And even on what I'm seeing right now, sharing the screen, there's enough detail.
You can see it's pretty triangular in shape.
But it's not a comet, it's not an asteroid, and it's not a computer artifact or malfunction.
And even here, you can see the CME has blown off to the right here, where all the plasma is going, but then you have this structured object.
I don't know if you can see my mouse or not, but it's not normal.
And those are the type of things that I'm catching that don't make sense and I think fall in that category of technosignatures that we need to have more discussions as a group, as a community.
Okay, now in terms of, you know, you're photographing something that you think is anomalous or or unexplained or whatever.
So and you have quite an interesting background.
It seems that as a person that comes from the military, you might have like more access than say I do to get in there and question certain people to talk to certain people, whether they be in NASA or, you know, I assume you saw the UAP hearing with David Brush and so on.
In other words, these people are, they're showing Tic Tacs, which actually I have discovered, I don't know if it's correct.
But there's a documentary out there called, I think it's called Walking with the Tall Whites.
And in the documentary, Charles Hall, who's military, former military, Based out in Nevada.
I'm sorry, why are you laughing?
No, there's so many military ties going on in this field.
Right.
So anyway, Charles Hall was based as an airman out in this very desolate area of Nevada.
And I forget the name of the place.
But anyway, and in the video, He talks about Tic Tacs as being scoutcraft for the tall whites.
Now, that's very interesting.
I mean, just in passing, and I think this video was before the UAP hearing, and before even the disclosure of so-called Tic Tacs caught by our, you know, supposed military.
Right, right.
Caught in the skies on the West Coast, as I recall, but I could have that wrong.
Anyway, My point being is that I think that the military is, you know, obviously covering up, and to use the Tic Tacs that are a scout craft belonging to the Tall Whites, and we do business with the Tall Whites.
They have a base that we've allowed them to have.
They were actually here before us having a base, but nonetheless in the area of It's not Area 51, but it's north of Nevada and I guess more west.
It's more west.
It's not as poor.
It's kind of like, it's a certain place.
You can drive by the little town there.
I don't know why the town's not coming to me, but anyway.
So my point being is that, and they have like a fake front to their base.
That's a fake mountain, illusion of a mountain.
And they're flying craft in and out of there all the time.
And our military is fully aware of it.
In fact, they actually assist our military in certain ways.
So it's an understanding that they have.
I've read all the Charles Hall books.
I've met him in person.
His wife wouldn't let me interview him, even though I was talking to him, because she's trying to protect him or whatever she's trying to do.
Some would arguably say she's his handler.
But nonetheless, so when I discovered that he said this about the Tic Tacs, I found that absolutely fascinating because there was a leak.
There was a mistake made.
And that is very likely exactly what they are.
Scout craft.
And so there were others that talked to me and tried to communicate that some of the craft that they photographed Not only the Tic Tacs, but there were a few other kinds of craft, at least one other kind, that they photographed.
And I think it was actually off the coast of California, San Diego area, if I remember.
And so what we're talking about is that you're showing images that NASA has photographed using satellites.
You've analyzed them That we can see with the naked eye that they're extraordinary, right?
The size, the complexity, etc, etc.
And so you could have to say to yourself, why doesn't, why didn't David Grush bring those images forward, you know?
And, uh, you know, and, and then I've got my friend, John Walson, who he used to actually be military and, and spy for the queen in a way.
Okay.
Uh, depending on how you want to classify him, right?
He's an expert photographer in every way.
As well as with filming, right?
All kinds of stuff.
And he's been doing it for years and years and years.
And he actually carries this gigantic thing on the back of his truck and goes to locations and so on and so forth.
He lives in Great Britain.
He captures, I mean, he has shown me and we were on a rooftop in Malta at night at a well-known restaurant, not restaurant, hotel there and photographing UFOs as they were flying by.
You know, it's not that hard.
It's, you know, and Courtney Brown and his remote viewers are teaching people how to use infrared.
I mean, so I have two questions for you.
Okay.
You're aware of, I'm assuming you're aware of this sort of dichotomy going on.
So I'd like you to speak to that.
But I'd also like you to explain why it is that you, you sort of stopped at analyzing photographs other people make and never tried to do your own.
The short answer is it takes a lot of money, patience and time and photographic prowess to be able to capture what some of your other guests have done.
And they have talents and talent sets that I don't have.
I never mastered the camera.
And in fact, my iPhone is it.
Nothing else in the house other than my iPhone.
And I really wasn't even planning going down this road in 2015.
I was just trying to get a degree in small UAS systems and was not make a long story short.
Life Found me in this endeavor.
I wasn't looking for it.
But when I stumbled into it, I couldn't stop.
It's just that simple.
Now, being in the military and the things you're talking about and having had a top secret clearance myself and working within that community, I truly understand compartmentalized information and how projects work.
And somebody could be working on something space-related right next to me and I'd never know it, because I didn't have a need to know.
And that's how the intelligence community works.
They make sure they stovepipe and silo certain things.
And then shroud it and shield it.
So only those people working within that particular area are aware of just that slice of what they're working on.
Even they don't have knowledge of next door.
There is no getting to know your neighbors next door in the intelligence community.
Everybody has their mission and they all go through what has been given them as a goal.
And once you hit it, you just keep doing it.
But they only give you slices and pieces.
There's only a small few at the top that can see all these projects and programs.
And probably 5, 10, 20 people at the max know everything.
That's how tightly held this type of operations dealing with UFOs are.
Even the folks that are dealing with reverse engineering, which I know is happening.
They don't get to see all the systems.
They just work on their one system.
They'll get a group of scientists and they work on one system until it's figured out.
You are on the internet just as I am and you can access this information just as I have and you must have, you know, again I think I asked you if you watched the UAP hearing.
I did.
So you must be able to put two and two together, like any intelligent person.
You don't need a top secret clearance to do that.
So in other words, I'm not sure, you know, everyone has their sort of motivation and what they question and what they don't.
Maybe your Your information and the way you're approaching, I don't know if it puts you in danger or not.
I mean, to me, it's pretty tame, but maybe it's not because you're military and I don't understand that, you know.
In other words, I still want to say there's a gap here.
Okay, there's a big gap.
I'm outside.
I'm an outsider, Carrie.
That's what's happening.
I'm not part of the group.
I'm not in military intelligence anymore.
I'm not flying anymore.
I just happen to be a student that stumbled on to something that is profound.
I am not under their control.
They don't have a license they can take away from me.
They don't have money.
They don't track you as far as you know, or?
Any more than the rest of us.
But yeah, I think what you're, you're implying is, I'm not on the inside.
I know about the inside.
I know how they operate on the inside because I was one of them.
I just wasn't in space operations or that particular group.
Do I believe they exist?
Absolutely!
I am convinced.
But my little quirk in life is I found what everybody has been looking for in the sense of technosignatures.
Even NASA put out a seminar presentation in 2018 in Houston, Texas saying, hey, we're looking for technosignatures.
Well, I didn't know they had a symposium on technosignatures until three months later.
And even then, I didn't have all my data like I do now.
So, they're writing it in the astrobiology books.
NASA will openly discuss technosignatures with anybody, because they're still looking for them.
They just haven't talked to me yet, and I'm about to introduce myself.
So, we're on the cusp of some really deep dialogue, and I'm hoping the astrobiology community gets a hold of this and does the analysis with me.
Because it's going to take some peer-reviewed iterations to make sure what I'm seeing is what I'm seeing.
But there's so much of it that I bring to the table enough information.
I think that the community will start to have this conversation of, hey, it's possible.
They're in our own backyard.
We don't have to go light years away to find them.
They're here.
Even so, in fact, Carrie, I've got a picture I want to share with you real quick that kind of iterates this.
Weather satellites, they don't look towards the sun, they look towards the earth, right?
And so, I had come across a weather satellite.
I was just perusing one day.
Let me see if I can find it here.
And this is a weather satellite of Alaska, and it's usually just pure white in winter, because that's all Alaska is, just snow everywhere.
But this object was found in between two iterations of imagery that was over Alaska.
I don't know what that is, Carrie.
That only showed up in one image, and the rest was just snow banks before and afterwards.
And being a pilot, I look at this and I'm perplexed.
I'm not sure what I'm seeing.
So, I've been trained to identify enemy aircraft.
I know friendly aircraft.
Obviously, you have to know both sides before you go to war, so you keep your guns pointed in the right direction.
But in this case, I came across this weather satellite image, and I had to keep it because it doesn't tell me what this aircraft is, but it does have a peculiar outline.
And it had some speed to it.
Unfortunately, there's no range finders on weather aircraft or even solar satellite aircraft, or excuse me, solar satellite systems.
So there's no way for me to tell you how big this thing is or how far off the ground it was.
Obviously, it's not casting a shadow, so it could be close by the weather satellite itself, but just the shape.
Yeah, well it looks a little bit more like a platform than an actual craft, but that's just the way it looks to me.
Isn't that interesting?
And you got a little bit of trail behind it.
Looks like it made a right-hand turn there, but it's fascinating.
Okay, but I guess, you know, and I don't mean to, or maybe I do mean to put you on the hot seat, you know, because you know, my work and stuff.
So I'm just trying because, you know, I don't get to talk to people that are doing something like you're doing that often.
And I also am curious, because you've got the military background, you know, you've been in these various situations, and Not only that, but we haven't even addressed the fact that you were part of MUFON, and I forget what your exact title was, but you did that for a few years as well, right?
I still do it.
I was the chief investigator for Florida for about four and a half years, and when I had some health issues, I gave it up and just remained as a field investigator, so I get to do that still, and I enjoy it.
Okay, so, but you are, you know, as a field, I mean, I've actually reported sightings to MUFON, so I was field investigated, I guess you say.
Yes, you were.
Out in Malibu, that I took some interesting photos and um you know they didn't know what to make of them one of them did appear to or seeming to be uh an image of satellite actually launch being launched oh yeah like starlings and and then at the same time
There was, I actually, I don't know why I did it, but I photographed that and then I turned my camera and the time I had one of these older kind of cameras and it captured this stuff that I didn't know it could.
Okay, which cameras now.
Don't seem to be able to capture as well and I I got these amazing things in the sky and that's part it's on a documentary that I made called um it's called Have You Seen a UFO and it's actually on my website so if you want to see that they made me a drawing I don't know explain it the ETs took their craft I have to assume it's ETs and they made me a drawing what looked like a dragon out of
craft like it was interesting oh maybe there were drones back in the day because we think they just came up with drones relatively recently but this was many years ago this is i don't remember i think i was i think i was in camelot but it you know i've been doing this for close to 20 years now and so it could easily been Right before Camelot or right in the early days, so we're talking quite a long time ago.
Anyway, I have those pictures, those images, and so I did have a Wu-Fan person come and interview me, but they didn't really, you know, go anywhere.
So anyway, what I'm trying to say about this is that you're an investigator.
You investigate anomalies in the sky or wherever people call into you.
Yes.
I'm not going to be shy about it.
I've had people on my show even talk about the CIA link to move on.
You say that you don't have that link.
They haven't come to you and asked you to report to them or any of that stuff.
I know nothing.
And that's fine.
Okay, that's fine.
But what I'm trying to say here is that again, we have this, you're sort of tangential to all this peripheral information that's Actually moving into the mainstream as we speak, right?
Yes, yes.
It's becoming acknowledged, it's becoming acceptable, it's no longer a giggle factor, and there are also, you know, I have actually a clip from the UAP hearing that we worked into a short I don't know what you want to call it.
Mini documentary type of thing?
Very short.
And what it does is highlights some of the things that the Congress people said specifically towards the end of that conference.
And this is public.
And one of what they reached, the conclusion they reached is even in that short time of the conference was that UFOs They call them UAPs now, which, who cares?
But the thing is, they said we're a potential threat.
They're in our airspace.
The pilots, there was an expert pilot there testifying, as you may remember, and he even said that they could be a potential threat.
They didn't know, they couldn't handle their capabilities.
This is what concerns me because I'm very interested in the Secret Space Program and why it is that people are so in denial.
That Congress has to, this is a year ago and I've been doing this for 20 years, and for example Corso was investigating this for the government and he was a general back in the 1960s, you know, and they want to pretend that crash retrievals weren't already happening then.
Correct.
You can't be in denial as to whether there's a secret space program, so I'm not going to ask you whether you believe that, but what I am going to ask you is, with that knowledge, okay, how do you put these pieces together in your own mind?
Are you just happy not to question and just go about your business because you don't want to be killed, or what's your story?
My story is I'm untouchable except for the black sedans outside the house.
That can happen anytime.
I get that.
But I'm retired.
And I'm just, I'm like a stamp collector, but different.
I collect techno signatures.
And that's how I see myself.
And that's what I do at night.
I just go through all the images and do the different satellite systems and archives.
I just go to the internet and pull them down.
Except I know what I'm looking for.
That's why I see the spectacular images that you'd seen earlier.
Here's my thought of being, what, almost 10 years and move on as searching this stuff myself.
If... There's two camps.
There's no such thing as off-world life.
That's the Fermi's paradox.
There is no other life but ours.
If you're in the other camp, that there's a possibility or you're a firm believer of off-world life, now you have to say, at what levels?
Where are they coming from?
Where do they live?
How did they get here?
Because I think the Senate hearings ended up with even talk of extra-dimensional beings, extra-dimensional presence.
Okay, so at what level do we start?
Well, if we start on Earth and say we have probably beings that aren't human here, and we also believe there's beings on other planets and star systems out there, we don't know how long they've been successful at what they're doing.
I do believe that we're millions if not billions or trillions of years behind some of them.
But in that regard, that would smear the canvas of all the colors.
Every level of society that you can think of, to include ours, we're just now getting out into space and stretching our legs a little bit through a couple probes out here and, you know, a Parker probe at the Sun.
We're just now becoming a space-faring society in the last hundred years.
What if we have hundreds of thousands of other species and planets out there that are well ahead of us?
We probably have guys flying by the sun and some of the stuff I'm capturing.
We probably have societies that do nothing but live.
on these craft that they've created, or they've captured a sun and have created a structure around the sun, the dinospheres.
There's extra-dimensional aspects to this.
There's conscious and subconscious aspects to this.
Those who can remote-see, I think, are actually tapping into a capability of humanity that we had We're just now revisiting and have the ability to see instantaneously wherever they focus.
I don't know how that happens, but there's such a spectrum right now as we speak.
of other life in my opinion that we've got the Flintstones which is us we're just barely getting our cars we're pedaling with our feet and we think we're doing you know great stuff and then there's the Jetsons and then there's extra-dimensional beings that We can't even fathom.
Some can, I can't.
So there's a whole spread of technology that's happening.
Every society has a different level and they've mastered that level.
And they probably drive by here with what they've got.
A Chevy, a Ford, a Corvette.
Whatever they've got, they're flying by, either as a visit, trade.
Something's going on that's much greater than the planet, in my opinion, because I think God's creation is that much greater than what we've been told.
Plain and simple.
Okay, but I mean, if you know that there's this, I mean, look, if you know, have you ever been aware of the underground bases, for example?
Absolutely.
Okay.
So you're not naive in that regard, right?
And so you're taking these photographs, you're, in other words, well, let me, let me go to a different direction.
Have you ever had missing time, been abducted, been face-to-face with any ETs, ghosts, that kind of thing?
Not that I'm aware of.
I have simply...
My part of life, as I understand where my life has taken me, has come to this point of sharing something that everybody's missed.
There's sporadic pieces on YouTube.
You see people say, hey, look at this solar whatever, and it's kind of cool.
I now have over 60,000 images I can categorize.
And in fact, What I offer this discussion, if I can share one more time, is that some of these are so prolific that I can categorize them now.
Each one of these you're about to see is a different day, a different sensor, a different year, but you'll notice there's a commonality to each one of these objects sitting by the sun, flying by the sun, and that's not ours.
I'm pretty sure it's not ours.
We've just now got the Parker Pro about 4 million miles away from the chromosphere.
That's a feat in itself.
These things have been out there 2006, 2007, 2008.
Some of these are later, some are earlier.
But I can now categorize stuff.
Just like if you go down the road and you say, hey, that's a Chevy dealership.
Well, all those look like Chevys.
Or all those look like Fords.
Okay, let me ask you about the way the signature looks.
Is this that it photographs some kind of light signature that has to do with the trajectory of the craft?
But the actual craft, are we trying to say that the actual craft is this little white You know, design.
Correct.
Okay, so the actual craft is there, but that's its trajectory, its path, right?
I'm not 100% sure on the path, because some of them don't have a line or a path to them.
They're just craft.
My point was they're similar in nature.
They have similar attributes.
that I can start to throw them into a certain file and now I have to name them.
I don't even know what to name these guys.
All the ones that fly by the sun I call solar centric objects because I'm looking at the sun and they're objects near our sun and so they're solar centric.
When I start putting categories together like this, I now have to figure out, what do I name these guys?
Is this a Cadillac?
Is this a Chevy?
What model is this?
Because they're common enough, even though they're spread throughout the years, that if I saw another one, I'd say, I know exactly what that is.
So, Carrie, I just don't know what I'm saying, and that's part of the discussion I need to have with astrobiologists.
Astrophysicists are nice, they're fun, they're neat people, but astrophysicists aren't looking for life.
And in fact, in the lunchroom, astrophysicists don't sit and eat with astrobiologists.
They're just two different worlds completely, and they don't understand each other a lot of the time.
Because it's two different focuses.
I'm an astrobiologist, citizen scientist.
I have submerged my life into this because I find it fascinating, and it also has expanded my Christian background.
When I was growing up, I grew up in a Christian home.
Yeah, I was even a deacon in one of the churches as I was growing up.
When I see stuff like this, it expanded my paradigm to the point where I'm like, ah, no one ever taught me this in Sunday school, yet I'm seeing it.
And so, I had to go back to Scripture, and sure enough, there's Scripture in there talking about those who tabernacle in the heavens.
All of a sudden, I see God talking about these things, but I didn't have that paradigm shift until I started seeing these objects for myself.
Then I realized it's not just us and God, it's God's creation on so many levels and so many scales that we're just now waking up to it.
Okay, now you kind of talk about yourself as if you're kind of in a very isolated silo doing your work, right?
As siloed as I can be.
Okay, but you're in MUFON, right?
I am.
So people are aware, it must be, you must have shared with, you know, MUFON from time to time.
I do, I do.
Sometimes I give presentations that do nothing but focus on technosignatures.
All right.
And you live in Florida.
Are you aware of, like, the story, for example, that Jackie Gleason showed up at, I think it was Nixon's door, if I got the right president, or was somebody like Nixon, but he showed up at his door one night and said, would you like to see an alien?
And then took him to an underground base and showed it to him.
Yes.
Changed his whole world and his whole life.
No, I think it was the other way around.
Maybe it was Nixon showed up to Jackie Gleason's door.
Yeah.
And Jackie Gleason was never the same after that.
So you know about these stories, right?
Oh, I do.
And it happened to me.
Oh, what do you mean it happened to you?
The very first picture I ever found, and I suspected I was going to find it, was this one.
This is the techno signature that started me down the path of the last nine years.
Okay.
It was found on my daughter's birthday, February 1st.
So I thought it was pretty special.
But when I, when I saw that I realized, um, I had never taken that into consideration in any of my religious studies.
I went to a Bible college.
Again, I know Scripture backward and forward, and it never dawned on me that creation was so much more than just what we have here on this planet.
And I didn't know who to talk to.
After I found that one picture I just showed you, I didn't talk to anybody for like two days.
I was just like, okay, I found what I was looking for, but now what do I do?
No one's going to believe it.
They're just going to mock me.
So yeah, I siloed myself and just started collecting pictures like that until I had enough to show the world.
And that's when I built my website about a year or so ago.
And in fact, websites only half built.
My webmaster, a poor gentleman, was fighting cancer and he didn't You didn't make it and only had the website built about halfway, but I haven't had anybody touch it since.
All the pictures are original there and you can download them as you see it on the pictures themselves.
If you download it, you'll see the date time group of the picture itself right up here at the top left corner.
See where it says SDO?
All that right there is exactly how you find it in the archives.
And it's anybody can go back and verify on their own.
They can go find their own technosignatures.
It's all there for people to see, and there's plenty.
Can I ask you, I know someone, I've got people in the chat, I think they're asking questions, so I'm going to try to grab some of those.
One person wants to know, have you had any dreams?
So did you have dreams?
And I want to sort of complement that question by saying, Have you had something, you know, I don't I'm sorry, I just, I don't I know it's a little strange, but and I understand where you're coming from.
But from my perspective, with my own trajectory, let's say, you know, You would have had to have what they call an inciting incident beyond just photographing an image.
In other words, you then made it, you know, you said you've got 60,000, if I remember the number, images now.
And, you know, you're driven.
In other words, you're a driven man, I would say.
And so what you're really trying to do, I think, is disclose the truth about our world and our universe, or multiverse, whatever you want to call it.
I want to know what's driving you like it doesn't seem logical where you just unquestioningly said okay here's here this thing is I need to do this and photograph it or whatever and have it you know collect all of these you must have questioned yourself and said well am I having dreams at night where I'm being you know guided or being talked to or being you know is there an alien guiding you what the hell is guiding you?
That's a really good question, Carrie.
I spent most of my teenage years up in Sedona, Arizona.
All right.
I can't tell you how many days I just laid on the red rocks in the middle of the creek thinking, I don't want time to go on any further.
That's when I picked up my first book, Trade of the Gods, and would lay on a cot in the middle of the field and stare at the stars going, If they're there, I would sure like to find what that is.
Well, I saw dozens of UFOs in Sedona.
Yeah.
Because, you know, the sky is so clear.
Yes, yes, and it's a perfect place.
I was really blessed to have family that allowed and afforded that to happen.
So that's what started me.
I think that's probably the spark that stayed in my soul up until the point where I started looking at space imagery.
And then it hit me, ah, I found a whole plethora of it.
It's like striking gold in the middle of the desert.
You don't see it until you actually hit it, and then you realize, I've got a vein here that people need to see, and I want to share it.
I want others to find the same stuff.
Right.
I don't want to sit on this and say, hey, it's mine, you have to pay for it.
No, it's not.
You can download all 1,200 images if you want off my website.
I just want to share.
And the goal is to have a conversation that leads to disclosure.
I'm so tired of the military system, the government system of suppression.
I know it well.
I know how it operates.
I swore my life to defend the Constitution.
I get all that.
But the Constitution never said you should suppress information from the people.
And that's exactly what's happening.
And so this is kind of my way of saying, I get to help out in this in this battle in this fight, and I get to do it with data that NASA doesn't know about, even though it's their own images.
I make NASA tell on itself.
That's kind of why I haven't had a discussion with NASA.
I kind of know what the discussion is going to lean towards.
So I want to get it out to the public before NASA knocks on my door and says, yeah, we need all your stuff.
That's why the website exists and certain thumb drives in certain places in case.
I go away.
Exist.
You know, the usual that we all do to try to make sure this information gets pushed into the future so that we're protected.
And if we're not protected, at least we can leave a legacy.
Okay.
So, and you have a book out, right?
Are there photographs in your book?
Oh yeah, yep.
Some of the ones that you saw tonight are in the book, but the website has most of them.
Okay, and do you have any others that you want to show us while we still have you on the show?
Well, there's actually plenty.
Let me see if I can pull back into my Okay, and while you do that, I'll just look in the chat and see if there's any burning questions that anyone has.
Not a problem.
If you go to Amazon, this is where you're going to see my book.
This is Solar Suspicions, and this is where the extra pictures and the story of how this all happened is sitting right now.
Also, what I found early on was NASA likes to kind of Hide things.
So when you see a real high resolution image of the moon or something like that, please scan it because you're going to find objects like this sitting in craters that are actually floating or have the appearance of floating, casting a shadow.
That's very possible.
Yeah, that's nothing more than just looking at the moon carefully when an 8K photo comes out that they say, hey, take a look at this.
It's the highest resolution you're going to get of the moon.
And I'm like, I'm all over it.
I'm going to check every crater I can.
So you'll find stuff like that.
Even Neptune's moon has some type of structure sitting here that's nonsensical on the surface.
And anytime I get a space telescope or weather telescope looking at something, I'm right behind it.
So that is basically what I do is I look for stuff that's anomalous and hard to describe and hard to rebut because it's in your face.
Yeah.
Everybody can look at this and they can go to the same website.
It's kind of like putting my camera out on full display.
Well, NASA's already done it for me.
I'm just going back and saying, hey everybody, in case you haven't seen the latest in NASA, this is what they have.
Well, there is a precedence for that in the sense that the face on Mars, there are images from Mars that I think came from NASA that were analyzed later by certain researchers and they found things like there's a robot skull, like a head laying in the sand, you might have seen that one, and there's all
There, I mean, you know, you can spend, there's people that have spent, you know, days, if not years, demonstrating those images and some are, you know, look like petrified animals, all kinds of weird things, right?
That's true.
So, so those people were doing that too.
So you're doing something a little different and more I mean, you know, that has logic behind it.
That's all I'm saying.
Here's the last one I want to show you, image-wise, that will hopefully make your guests go, hmm.
This is a C3 sensor off the SOHO.
It's supposed to look at the Sun, and the disc in front of the Sun is to keep you from seeing the surface of the Sun, because the sensor itself only looks for CMEs.
It only wants to see what energy is coming off the surface of the Sun.
It doesn't care what's happening on the surface, it cares what happens coming off the surface.
In other words, like a CME directed towards Earth, this sensor can tell that.
Um, so the sun is directly behind this and this, and this, you can see it's 1996, May 24th at 8, uh, 26 UTC.
Uh, when this image was taken, um, let me pull this back out.
And right afterwards, I shouldn't say that there was an image.
And then the right afterwards was this image, but in between I came across this.
And for your viewers, it looks like a bunch of garbly gook.
It's not a comet.
It's not an asteroid.
It looks like something failed possibly in processing, but it isn't.
Well, doesn't it look like craft, a bunch of craft flying across the camera lens?
Exactly.
So when I blew it up and lightened it up, all of a sudden I realized, I think the camera is looking through a craft.
Because it has structure.
It has flat surfaces here and here.
It has a little guy here looking like at a console here.
It has a guy looking around the corner of something.
There's so much strangeness to this that when I listened to Bob Lazar talk about his first view inside of an ET aircraft, he said it's like a wax system that has been melted a little bit.
He goes, it's nothing is flat, nothing squared off.
It's all rounded.
It's all drippy.
It's all like a wax system that got overheated and started to melt just a little bit.
And I thought that was the strangest description until I went back and looked at this image and realized that's what this image is.
I don't get any of this.
It does have some flat surfaces in it.
It looks like I've got somebody here.
I can't tell if that's a head or not.
I'm looking at the back of some guy here.
I don't know who he is.
But it is so anomalous that I didn't know what to do with it.
As a matter of fact, I didn't share this with anybody until about, oh, I'd say four years ago.
I showed it to about five people.
And then this year I started sharing it more and more.
I mean, I'm trying to figure out, you know, I know what it looks like to me.
What does it look like to you?
It looks like I'm looking either through a cockpit of a ET vehicle or this ET vehicle picked up the satellite And is either doing maintenance on it, looking at it itself, because the next image is totally functional and looking at the sun again.
So somewhere in between, let's see, let me get the timing for you.
This image was 8.26, 5.24, 8.26.
It says 826, 524, 826.
This image is 524, 950.
So when you look at this image, it says 851, Somewhere in there, in that 10-minute span, this was created.
And that's the black and white version, just to show you a little bit more of the structure.
Just to be clear, that's what the satellite saw when looking at the Sun?
Yes.
And its focus changed?
Its focus changed.
It suddenly zoomed in, it looks like.
It's actually, I think, infinity type of focus where it can capture anything at any distance.
I'm not a photographer.
I don't know what kind of lens is specifically on this particular sensor.
I just know it didn't turn away from the sun.
It's simply taking pictures and this thing got in between it and the sun.
And it's a perfect picture of structure, organization.
Right, but it's not, you're saying, a thing.
It looks like many things.
Yes, yes.
If I were guessing, man, I think this was on a UFO, it got picked up by a UFO, it was still functional, they forgot to shut it off, and they got a selfie.
I don't know.
I'm guessing.
Uh-huh.
But it's weird enough that I went ahead and put it in my files.
Well, personally, I think that somehow, well, this is just me, I think that it, in other words, the satellite always looks at the Sun at the same focus distance.
Correct.
And it looks like That's what they tell us or that's what they show us normally is that that where it's really distant right and you can't tell much but suddenly the focus change maybe it always maybe they can change it at will and someone took a picture a still of it right so it it changed the focus it like zoomed in on the sun is zoomed in on that is that right or not
The cameras are so well stabilized, they have to be, so that it doesn't add... But you can have a satellite with a camera and you can operate it from the earth, from the ground.
Right.
And some satellite, well all satellites, have a calibration system where they roll and tilt the system, the platform, and then reorient it.
That's not what was happening here.
This was It was taking normal pictures, looking for CMEs, and in the series of just blandness, there was really a non-energetic day for the sun's surface.
All of a sudden, this appears and it goes back to doing its thing.
It's just bland.
So, whatever stopped us within those minutes of the image on either side of showing nothing, This appears and to have taken the satellite and move it all the way around or to someplace else or whatever.
A takes intelligence.
Was it us?
Was it them?
And what are we seeing?
I don't have those answers for any of it.
I just wanted to share this picture and say this is so unusual.
That this is part of what drives me.
I would love to find another one like this because two or three witnesses are always better than one.
Yeah, well, that's actually a very fun photo.
All right.
Well, you know, I'm trying to sort of Get, like, get into your head, I guess you might say, and I'm trying to, you know, so because I think that my audience wants to understand what you're doing, why you're doing it, and how far you've gotten with it, or how not far you've gotten, which is, I think, more to the point, because, you know,
If you could show these images, I don't know, three of your best images to a newspaper, for example, what are they going to do with you?
Just say, no, thank you.
We're not interested.
I mean, I guess it's possible they'll do that.
But I mean, you know, this is evidence, right?
Evidence.
Yes.
And it is evidence that can't be ignored unless you just don't want to talk about it anymore.
And that's good.
Everybody has a choice.
Sure.
For a lot of us UFO enthusiasts, and most of the folks I deal with, with the cases that come in that we work with people that are just normal, everyday people that have had an experience, and they don't know what to do with themselves.
They're emotionally affected, and they just want answers.
And the number one answer is, am I losing my mind, or are these things real?
Because I don't think I'm losing my mind.
I just had an experience that made me feel that way, but I would like to have verification that I'm not losing my mind.
That's what I'm doing with my stuff, is saying, guys, you have no idea how much archived material has evidence that I'm bringing forward that says we're not losing our mind.
We really need to have this discussion.
We, as a society, have to stop suppressing this.
I mean, the United States suppresses this to the point where, as a pilot, if I saw a UFO, even if I did see a UFO, Kerry, I had no place to report it.
And even when the American Airlines pilots recently, I think a year ago, saw a UFO that you could hear the chatter back and forth, hey, tower, we just saw, you know, look like a silver bullet, you know, is anything else up here and blah, blah, blah.
And they were told, go tell it to the FBI.
Really?
That's the reporting system that the FAA wants pilots to use is to go tell it to the FBI.
I'm pretty sure that's not the right process, nor should it be for our country.
Other countries are wide open about it.
Man, they almost celebrate this stuff.
Much more so.
But the U.S.
is so involved with it that they think we don't know how involved they are.
And they think by suppressing it, we're just going to walk away and go, yeah, you guys are right.
There is no such thing.
No, we're all over it.
The whole community is over it.
America's done with all the suppression.
I'm done with it.
But by making NASA tell on itself, I'm in danger for doing that because they have just a massive amount of images I haven't seen yet that are still on the websites.
And I'm hoping they don't scrub them because that's where I do all my mining.
Um, so that's another reason why I've kind of siloed myself.
And until now is I wanted to have enough evidence to go, yeah, you can take these websites down NASA, but I already got the goods.
Here's what it looks like.
So let's stop pretending.
Just tell us where we're in contracts with a certain alien species.
Tell us that we have certain capabilities for free energy.
Just, just say, so stop treating us like children and let's get on with this life and make it better for everybody.
Right, absolutely.
So that's kind of what drives me internally.
Okay, well, thank you, David.
I mean, I think you brought enough forward where people can sort of begin to decipher and understand you and hopefully you'll get, you know, more interviews and more coverage and people will, you know, pay attention to your work and At some point, you know, I mean, Tucker Carlson has to be looking at your images going, hell, what the hell?
Why aren't we talking about it?
Right?
Well, Carrie, it's folks like you who are gracious enough to host me to be able to say what I need to say and put it all nine years within an hour's worth of chat.
And it really does help.
So I thank you and appreciate you for all the work you're doing.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
All right.
So I have scanned for more questions.
I don't see any.
Doesn't mean they aren't there.
I'm still, you know, it's not that easy.
But as far as I can see.
So I'll wrap this up.
But I do want to give you the chance that if there's anything you want to say while you still are on the show, Or show, for that matter.
You know, we've made a good inroad here and I think people can get your book and they can go to your website.
Which, could you repeat the website again?
Solarsuspicions.com.
Solarsuspicions, with an S?
Yes.
Okay, and I'll put that on your page as well, on my website.
That's perfect, thank you!
Yeah, so thanks everyone for watching.
I hope that you'll come back to me and that something will happen, you know, that this will, you know, I mean, maybe you should have been presenting at that UFAP hearing and maybe next time it comes around you will be.
I'm hoping.
It's just part of the discussion.
I don't have the answers, but I have a part of the discussion, I think, that will accentuate and help us get a little further down the road and just stop all the denial and just say, yeah, it's here.
We're here.
And they're here.
And they're here.
All right.
Well, thank you again and have a great day, everyone.
Take care.
Bye bye.
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