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July 12, 2024 - Project Camelot
01:26:07
KERRY IN CONVERSATION WITH ENG-ANON
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Thank you.
Good afternoon, everyone.
This is Ian Jianan at Leave the Matrix Behind, and today we have a very special guest on our show, Kerry Cassidy, who needs no introduction, so I won't even do one.
I will just like to say a few very brief words that are my own about yourself, Kerry.
I feel that you are, you know, the BS-stops-here kind of person, which I really like.
I value people like that in my profession, which is the engineering profession.
And I have seen that quite clearly by now.
It's abundantly clear that you are an esteemed and respected member of our community.
And you've been in the public for a long time.
You've been doing this for a long time, and you've established yourself.
You have a very good name out there.
And in this arduous process, By doing what we do, you have accrued quite a lot of wisdom, and I sense that every time you speak.
You're bristling with information.
There's so much that you know, and wisdom carries with it a responsibility.
That's one of my takeaways from acquiring wisdom in the engineering world for many years.
And I just wanted to say before we begin that going into this, I respect you a lot and you wield your wisdom very well, so welcome to the show!
Thank you.
Now, Kerry, I wanted to ask you if you ever had... I know other people have interviewed you and asked you sort of similar questions here, so I don't want to retread other people's questions.
But I haven't really seen anybody ask you clearly if you had a sort of a moment of clarity where you realized something dawned on you, like a vertiginous, like a pivot, if you will, in your life where, oh my God, something really isn't wrong here moment.
For me, it was clearly 9-11.
That's where I realized, oh my God, the world is, this should not be happening.
That was like a pivotal moment for me.
Was it sudden like that for you or was it more gradual?
Well, I was born this way.
I didn't have an aha moment in my life because when I was a kid I just took a look around and I was psychic intuitive and Slightly precog at that point.
So I thought everything was wrong, actually, with the world.
And all I did was find out exactly how much and in what ways after that.
I read, for example, when I was around 12, the Seth material, if you're familiar with that book at all.
That talks about timelines and things.
So I think that that was kind of an eye-opener at the time because looking at timelines, you know, not Not that this timeline is not the only timeline and that things are, you know, going simultaneous and that we have, you know, that I mean, I did prescribe or subscribe to the Native American idea of time and space, which are one,
And found out, you know, physicists do agree ultimately on that.
So once you come to those conclusions about reality, then you're sort of positioned, better positioned, to understand reality as we know it at the moment.
And so I understand, I knew about Reincarnation.
I mean, I had all this sort of right at my hand.
I did tons of reading when I was a little kid.
I was very curious about the world.
I was very rebellious about the world.
I didn't like anyone telling me what to do or what to think or anything.
I talked back to the teachers in school.
I got in trouble for that when I was very young.
And I also talked back to my parents, of course.
And I did have some really wonderful things, like my father, I don't know why, I wasn't the oldest child, my brother was older, but he had developmental problems, so somehow my father kind of focused on me as his right hand.
I never saw any impediment in being female.
I think a lot of women get treated differently because they're treated that way by their parents, by their fathers.
And I've known women that have a lot of issues with their fathers.
But I was actually credited with being very intelligent and someone who could handle stuff and whatnot.
Yeah, and I used to actually defend my sisters and brothers when necessary in family situations and whatnot.
So I and I also would stand up for my brother that they tried to beat him up in school so I would interfere with bullies at school.
Right.
I really grew up in a different way than I think a lot of women in that way.
Henry, what about psychic experiences?
Do you recall having one early on?
Well, in a sense, as I say, being intuitive and a precog, I was living in a sort of psychic experience most of the time.
I would know things, so I knew a lot, and so that knowledge is, you know, you now call it psychic knowledge, but back in the day, I didn't necessarily have that vocabulary until I reached maybe around 12 or so.
But prior to that, you know, just knowing things.
So my mother would call me know-it-all Carrie.
And I would just tell her what's going on.
You know, I just knew I understood people.
I could read them.
And so, you know, I can see ghosts.
I, you know, I had an experience with some other, my sisters, we went to a cabin in a place called Silver Lake in Lake Tahoe and me and this other teenage girl that was with us had the same visions and dreams during the night that there were young
children there and they were prisoner in that cabin they weren't there anymore they were ghosts and we were communicating with them so I had verification in that sense that I saw that and she saw that but there's other things that you know I mean I don't even remember everything there was I just I was highly sensitive I always have been extremely sensitive
Um I loved animals and I and animals are sensitive so I had a rapport with animals um and stuff like that.
I used to rescue you know injured animals and um whatever so.
Would you say that empathy was a part of your makeup as well early on?
Yeah well that's yeah when you you know when you're You know, you're empathetic with animals, you sense things about people, you see things about people, so it's all the same ballgame in a way.
Yeah, with me I feel like I could divine the wellsprings of motivation of characters around me.
I sort of knew what they were all about and what they were bringing to the table at a fairly early age.
Was it sort of the same thing with yourself?
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
Now, I heard you also mention that seeing the ghosts, did you actually have visual, where you were able to perceive visually those spirits?
Yes, I saw those children that I was talking about.
Yeah, absolutely.
I see spirits from time to time.
I'm not really thrilled with it, that world so much.
I have woken up yelling at all the beings and and spirits that come and visit me.
So I mean, I've been basically yelling at them to go away.
So and I have gotten information downloads, sometimes way more than I want.
So if anything, I've tried to maybe block things out so that I could, you know, just live and focus on what things that I wanted to focus on.
So I learned at an early age to, you know, that I was extremely open on a psychic level.
Myself, I haven't had the visual or the audio component of it, but I tell you when I close my eyes, That's when I start to see things and it's really quite, this has for me come on really hot and heavy the last two or three years, so it's fairly new for me.
I wanted to ask you as well, I had what I have referred to for a long time in the absence of a better term, I call it my out-of-body experience.
In 1998, I was either yanked or tricked out of my body And I flew astrally very far, and I ended up in what I later learned, 2021.
A friend helped me to decipher the experience.
But I learned that I was inside of a soul trap, and I got pulled out of there.
And I underwent some spiritual fragmentation, which I have since corrected that.
I have remedied that and repaired it.
And I met my guardian angel all in that whole experience.
He yanked me out of there and that period was really difficult for me because I couldn't make heads or tails out of it for over 20 years and finally in 2021 I got relief.
Was there anything like that for yourself on the astral side?
I wasn't in any kind of cage.
I've never heard of that.
In my life.
I wasn't, you know, like I said, it's kind of more like I was, I don't know, you want to call it a star seed, but I was awoke and I was awoke since my whole life.
Like I say, you know, so It's a different experience.
I was abducted.
I did have a repeating abduction experience that I've talked about.
I wrote a lot of this stuff in my book, which is right behind me.
It's Rebel Gene and the Future of Humanity.
I wrote I encapsulated a lot of my experiences over the years in Project Camelot.
It actually was published on Valentine's Day of 2020.
I, you know, it goes up to that point.
And it has a lot about some things about my childhood, some things about, you know, that I do think I was my labbed.
And I think that, you know, I was born in Palo Alto at Moffett Field.
In a hospital there, military hospital.
So, you know, there's aspects of my life that I know are not common necessarily, but, and I've also had verification of these things, outside verification.
One of my interviewees, Norm Bergrum, talked to me about this.
You know, he communicated to me.
He was underground in Moffat Field working in the secret space program, pretty much his entire career.
Very brilliant man.
He wrote a book called The Ringmakers of Saturn.
It's available, I think, free on the internet.
He was a scientist and we interviewed him Several years ago.
At that point, he thought he was going to go public.
Instead, they built him a lab and he was like 95 or something like that at that time when I interviewed him.
But he was super bright and aware.
And like I said, he thought he was going to go public, but on the contrary, he actually disappeared from the public scene completely.
And I think he went black, as they say, into an underground base, and so on and so forth.
So I've written down there, Ringmakers of Saturn, and please forgive me if I'm unintentionally retreading some questions here for you.
For one thing, I didn't know about the book, and you'll have to forgive me there.
I will read it, However, I'll read it after the interview.
In doing my homework, I should have read it before, but I didn't even know you had a book out, so please excuse my ignorance.
My book, yeah.
My book is Rebel Gene.
Rebel Gene.
Yeah, and the future of humanity.
His book, Norm Bergrum's book, is Ringmakers of Saturn.
Yeah, I got that.
Got it.
Okay, I'm just taking a few notes while you... But you should watch the interview and see what he says during the interview before you read his book.
I think that'd be a good idea.
Okay, thanks very much for that.
This is really good info and I'm sure we're going to have some really nice nuggets drop out here of this discussion.
Hopefully we can yield some of that.
Back to what we were saying about the psychic stuff, you know, yeah, you're right, we are all experiencing journey each of us differently.
We're perceiving it differently, and we have different abilities coming into it.
And honestly, no two people are alike.
I've talked to a number of people about their psychic experiences, and I find a great deal of variability.
I'm interested in people who can read tarot, pull cards, and you did an excellent Actually, I have to say, you did the best interview I've ever heard with you on Jean-Claude recently.
I'm sorry, on who?
Jean-Claude Beyond Mystic.
Oh, Jean-Claude.
Oh yes, uh-huh.
Yeah, and he's on there a lot with the Tarot Lady, his friend, Tarot by Jean.
And I like that the tarot is very interesting.
Before I became aware of this amazing supernatural world, I used to balk at tarot.
I thought it was people who played with thought were nuts.
But then again, not too long ago, I was a diehard atheist.
I didn't believe in God.
So yeah, it's amazing how much things change for people. - Right. - Yeah, so Kerry, in going forward here, I wanted to ask your opinion, I wanted to ask your opinion, I could.
There's a plethora of topics we can discuss here, but one thing that's on my mind quite a lot is, will disclosure happen for the masses, for the people?
Do we even want it to happen?
If it does happen, I think it probably should.
Who will be leading the initiative on that?
This is one thing I've really been wanting to put forward to you, this question.
Uh, well, yes, disclosure is happening.
I mean, that's why we have all these truthers out there, uh, digging away and trying to figure out what's true and what's not.
And, um, so there's numerous number of people now with their awakening, you know, their other chakras, and they're starting to become aware of, you know, these multiple worlds that we live in, the multiverse, if you will.
So I think the more people get involved in that the more humanity is awakening.
So that is disclosure if you want to call it that.
Now I'm not looking for someone in so-called authority to tell me what's true and what's not.
I think all of us now realize that those people lie For a living, in most cases.
So the people in power are no one in authority.
They shouldn't be in authority most of the time.
There are people out there that have knowledge and have experience and you have to sort of discern who best to listen to and follow.
But in terms of disclosure, for example, we had the UAP Congress meeting that happened recently, like a year ago or whatever, with David Grush and a few whistleblowers, and trying to be more open.
There had been many attempts by Stephen Bassett doing press conferences in Washington D.C.
years before that, and I was also present at a few of those, and so on.
But, you know, this is sort of the movement into the future.
I mean, the movement and the movement of Earth in general and of humanity is in the direction of disclosure and truth.
So truth is absolutely going to be It's really the name of the game.
That's why we've got so many people now that have hit the scene and have channels and want to reveal, you know, the truth.
And then they interview people that they think might have pieces of the puzzle, so to speak.
And so when we first started, which is close to 20 years ago, then what I was doing at that time was completely unusual.
Absolutely.
Filming someone talking about, you know, the truth.
And we even had to translate the word whistleblowers back in those days because people only assumed you were talking about like big tobacco and someone who was working in a company then could report as a whistleblower to, say, HR.
But they didn't apply the word to everyday life and to, you know, all the inequities and conspiracies in our world.
Now it's commonplace and, of course, the two people that made it popular is Julian Assange and Edward Snowden.
But we actually started that whole trend, and as it happened, Julian Assange was a fan of Camelot back in those days, and did write to us.
So you might even say that WikiLeaks could have gotten, or at least the idea for it, from what we were doing.
Well, Carrie, that what you just said is extraordinary, and I bet there are a whole lot of people out there, including myself, who did not know That fact.
So thank you for divulging that.
As far as disclosure happening, I have to echo your comments and agree with you.
Yeah, disclosure is rolling out.
It's been rolling out for quite some time, and it's been open for the set of years that's listening, isn't it?
And There, it's available for everyone to get involved.
The question is, will people want to do it?
And it's a matter, I think, of people suspending their disbelief and just sitting down and listening to what's out there and doing their own due diligence.
I mean, is that a fair statement?
Yes, of course.
So, what was personally where I wanted to go with that disclosure is the big disclosure item that's on my mind is obviously Will the general public become aware of the off-planet people, as I call them, the extraterrestrials?
And what form will that take?
And as you and I were texting, I realized our communications were a little bit, you know, sporadic, I should say, earlier on.
But I recall you mentioned that you knew John Warner.
I knew of him and really like him.
Yes, I've invited him on my show.
He has said yes, but he so far hasn't been available.
I would love to see that interview.
So I have had dialogues with him, I guess probably on text, over a few years actually, I've been aware of him.
Yeah, I really like his posture, and I have to say that I was a little bit caught off guard because he's quite pessimistic because he's been, I gather, hoping for things to happen from our end.
I mean, the Earth-based disclosure, and he's of the opinion, at least it seems to me, that disclosure should probably come from off-planet.
Now, when I took a closer look at that, I realized Now I'm starting to draw the threads between what's going on on the planet and projecting it, if you will, into off-planet.
And this lately, what I've been posting on my channel, has sort of taken me down an interesting road because I initially, what I did was I deduced that there has to be ET involvement in what's happening on Earth.
only makes sense when you add ETs to the mixture.
What's your comments on a statement like that?
Well, various ET races want disclosure, and there are others that don't.
There are a lot of reptilians, actually, that do want disclosures, even from the dark side of things.
But there's also, it's kind of like on Earth, there's a lot of groups that don't want disclosure, there are groups that do.
What we understood is that Majestic 12 itself was split as to those that wanted disclosures and those that didn't.
We're kind of still in that land, I guess you might say, where groups of society don't want to release the truth and they lie to us on a regular basis as a result.
Other groups, even within their own groups, may have people that do want truth out there and see a benefit to that.
I mean, You know, for people that are religious, you know, Jesus talked about, you know, the truth is basically the only way.
And so, if you really believe in Jesus as avatar or whatever you believe in Him to be, then you understand that truth is really the way.
And so, I think that Again, truth and disclosure are kind of synonymous, although people don't necessarily think of it that way.
And it's actually Life right now is so multi-dimensional and in this 3D going into 4D that we've actually started to manifest even 5D on this planet, I believe.
And so we're starting to see that it's not so much you need to disclose as allow And so what's happening really is an allowance to allow the truth to come out rather than to stop it.
So truth has always been there, right?
But it's a matter of allowing or revealing.
And there have been a lot of forces that want to stop the truth.
And I find that, for example, the White Hats are struggling even with that concept.
I find that they don't They don't tell the truth as much as they could to the people.
They're playing this game that has to do with, you know, in a certain sense it's a looking at humanity as if they are the teachers and humanity, the rest of humanity, are supposed to be their students.
And so they decide what you can know and what you can't know.
And they are playing an Intel game, a cat and mouse game with the dark side, so that increases the way they would look at reality.
But what I've seen is that withholding the truth is, in a sense, it's a crime.
So that when you withhold the truth, you are actually Stunting the growth of the human that you're withholding it from.
And of course you need to judge, you know, like let's say you really do interact with a child and they ask you a question and you have to determine how much truth they can handle.
In those cases, you know, this is where an adult has to make decisions.
But when we're really talking about disclosure and truth and these power groups that are trying to garner the truth and trying to hide the truth, like the Secret Space Program, for example, that is operational Above and below our feet, so to speak, here on planet Earth and is hiding the truth from the rest of humanity.
But once disclosure, once to reveal the truth on some levels, and that's where you get into situations where We're going to have certain events happen that are going to reveal more of the truth.
Some of it supposedly in a somewhat shocking way for at least those that aren't already awakened and I mean really awakened.
See I see that a lot of people think they're awake but when they talk to me It's evident to me that they're not fully awake, that they are in denial or hiding certain parts of the truth from themselves.
And you'd be amazed, or you might be amazed, to see people that we think are quite, you know, awake and aware, so to speak, that terminology.
But When you actually question them about certain aspects you know they might want to they don't want to talk about it they don't or they didn't even understand it like let's say interdimensionality which is something I just take for granted and it seems very natural to me.
You know, the invisible world, so to speak, and then, you know, what they call angels and demons and this classification, which is kind of a blanket that religion has foisted on them, and they have accepted those.
So, they're looking through a glass darkly, as the saying goes, right?
So, this is, it's really, in a certain sense, it is relatively relative, but As far as I'm concerned, truth is an absolute, so that real truth can be found.
It's not, you know, hard to reach.
Well, I'm really happy to hear you say that truth is an absolute, because you talk to a lot of people and philosophically they don't understand that.
They think truth is a relative thing, it's a perspective, and I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Because without something being either true or being false, we could not have systems of operative logic.
It just wouldn't be possible.
So that basically is a self-proving thing, in my estimation.
You said so many interesting things as you were talking, and to latch on to one of them, if I can, you were talking about the The reluctance to disclose by Earth-based people, like our Secret Space Program, for example.
I would echo that and say that it is my considered opinion that as much as or as little as they would like to disclose, they know one thing, that disclosure by them
would inevitably have a catastrophic sort of characteristic to it, whereby it would be akin to a dam burst, because once they start talking, once they start outing secrets, it's going to be so hard to control the rate of flow of these things that they have stopped up behind there, that a catastrophic situation would ensue.
I think that's just
Hard to, I guess, estimate what that would really be like, but I sense very strongly that there's an element of apprehension there, and if I can just finish this thought, I know I'm going on and on here, if you'll just bear with me, but I think that there is an aspect of this that begs disclosure by the off-planet people, and I think, personally, I think it would be a lot wiser if they did that.
rather than us, because there is a principle involved here.
That principle is very clearly demonstrated in the film Lords of Arabia, where that they're about to invade Aqaba from the land, and that tribal bloodbath would ensue because one guy killed the other for stealing from him, and the two tribes are squaring off, the Hawetat and the Harith, They're about to kill everybody.
They're about to have this huge fight and Lawrence stands up and he says, well, I will execute the law because I have no tribe.
And that same principle applies with the extraterrestrials.
They have no tribe allegiance.
A couple of things are involved here.
They don't want the United States to look bad in front of other nations.
Nobody wants that because the United States is the seat of Freedom in the universe, you may have some other opinion on that, but I believe it's associated with the origin of sovereign living, and they can't afford to have that loose space.
If they disclose, the ETs I mean, if they disclose, then they can apportion that blame fairly surgically to the people who are involved in keeping the secret, and they can maybe cut them out of the herd, if you will.
If you, I could use that rather unsightly term.
Do you have any comments on what I just said?
Well, you said one thing, if I understood you correctly.
You said that you thought ETs didn't have a tribe, and I do think they do.
Obviously they have a, you might not call it a tribe, but they're actually, many times they're even hive mind.
So they're very much aligned with their kind.
Certainly with reptilians that's the case.
I have to interrupt you there, that's not how I meant it.
I meant that they are separate from our ethics and our affairs and our problems here on earth in a sense that they are not resident of this earth.
So that they can, from the outside, they can come in and make that kind of a contribution, if you will.
I'm not saying that there's no tribalism among them.
I hope I didn't misunderstand you there.
Sorry, go ahead.
Yeah, no, that's fair enough.
But I'd also say that they are living among us, and they are visiting among us on a regular basis, and that there are multiple Various species, races of ETs that are coming and going from our planet.
ongoing basis and that they have their own.
They also are not necessarily completely aligned or in agreement on anything necessarily.
They tend to be perhaps more aligned within their groups.
This is what has come across over the time that I've been looking into this matter.
You know, seeing that there are rogue factions in all species that disagree with the sort of current consensus, if you will.
So anyway, I think that, as above so below, I think it's a good principle to go by.
I actually think that disclosure can happen just as well on the earth as off the earth and whether it's with or without ETs because we are them and they are us and we are genetically related to them.
Most of those races are many of them, especially at least 12 or more.
And so we are a hybrid race.
So in a sense within our group, within the earth beings, whatever you want to call us, there are many from other places and there are also hybrids with the same DNA as some of those visitors.
So In a sense, we can speak for them, because we are of them in some cases.
Not all people are related by the same degree.
So, I think it does, you know, Ashiana Dean said a very intelligent thing one time about the situation here on Earth, and that was that what we have is a war of worlds that has been going on for eons,
off-planet and that the Earth was actually populated with this hybrid race of beings that were on different levels related to each other and all containing different amounts of the DNA of various species and that this was an experiment to see if those species who don't get along have been at wars off-planet forever.
Yeah, that's a good statement.
that's what this hybrid race, this experiment, this human experiment, human, man of many colors, is all about.
And I thought that that was a great summation of what's really going on here on Earth.
Yeah, that's a good statement.
I like how succinctly that puts it, and it kind of makes one wonder, you know, in absolute terms, how big a deal is this liberation that is impending on planet Earth?
How many of these things have sort of already happened?
Or should I be looking at it a little bit more vertiginously, Kerry?
Is it something that we haven't experienced before?
Do you have any thoughts on that?
Before, I mean Atlantis and Lemuria.
Well, Atlantis and Lemuria for sure were real societies and in fact, what it appears that this time is most like is a return to Atlantis and to the sort of
um precipice that Atlantis was on right before it was um attacked from off planet by meteor and also from within from sabotage from again the uh the dark magicians and the satanists so and then the races that are related to all that so What we're going through now, they went through in Atlantis.
And I think this is coming around again for us to be able to have another solution rather than to be demolished and demolish ourselves, so to speak.
So part of the fascination with going down to Antarctica is that a lot of Atlantis is buried under the ice down there.
And I think that this is what they're really obsessed with exploring, and I think for good reason.
That it is said that Atlantis was the last time the ETs and humans walked on Earth, on the surface of Earth, together.
Okay?
Right.
In some semblance of peace.
Uh, before the whole thing fell apart, so to speak.
So, you know, this is, uh, we're at a, you know, uh, a very interesting juncture.
So it's not like it never happened before, but it's actually happening again, but it has, it's, it has all the potential of having a different outcome.
So.
A different outcome in that we are free.
Yes, in that humanity could, you know, reach its sort of full stature and be allowed to reach its full stature and understanding self-realization, etc.
And also the idea to some degree of sovereignty and what that actually means and what it doesn't mean.
And our dealings with each other and other races, other beings, beings that have completely different pecking order and ways of, you know, prioritizing certain things.
You know, it's kind of like us in the Chinese also, you know, that's a very strong Polarization, if you will, because what they do is they try to make everyone in agreement by force.
That's what a totalitarian government is all about, especially communist CCP.
And what happens is And the Japanese realized this actually, I think, before the Chinese, that that wasn't the best way forward for a species.
That the more you create a homogenization of your society, The less growth is allowed to happen and the less innovation, for example.
So I think we're looking towards the future to have growth, innovation, freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and within certain limitations having to do with As long as you don't, you know, destroy someone else or harm someone else in the process.
And so there has to be a certain amount of balance in that give and take.
But it's perfectly, you know, in the sense that the United States is kind of the beacon of hope, I think, for the rest of the world.
And I think they are watching what's happening here very closely.
We are really going to some extremes, needless to say, right?
So we've been, our election was openly stolen.
Anyone who bothers to investigate realizes that.
By the way, they know who stole it.
The CCP, a version of MI6, probably the Mossad in Israel to some degree, and then other players out there are also embedded.
They're also guilty, so to speak, of Violating our sovereignty of the United States to violate, you know, and to take over our country.
So we have a puppet show.
We have the Biden regime.
Biden died, it is said, and he probably was executed, but he died right after he was inaugurated, or right before he was inaugurated.
And the inauguration, as Derek Johnston always says, was a funeral.
And so this is where, you know, it's been a game, it's been a facade.
And you can't say it's never been a game or a facade prior to that because all the elections have been stolen, even the one with John F. Kennedy.
And so, not to mention the fact that if you go back into the history of Europe and Britain, kings and queens were at, you know, each other's throats and I'm sure there was a lot of game playing and lies and even Maybe, at that point, I can't say they had clones, but there's a lot of cloning going on right now, and a lot of doubles, and people deceiving you every which way.
Well, the cloning is just mind-boggling.
I just want to go briefly back to that bit about the earlier United States.
I have this view in my mind, and tell me your thoughts, but I have this view in my mind that between 1776 for approximately a hundred years.
That's just after the Civil War, when things changed around.
The United States did experience, briefly, you could say a century of freedom, and then we fell back under control.
I say we, I'm a Canadian, obviously, but I feel a common cause with the United States.
I consider it to be the greatest country on earth.
In the sense that it has had the best shot at freedom so far.
What do you think of that whole century-long thing?
I don't think I would necessarily consider that, because I would have to sort of, again, look at it closer and see what was really the reigning sort of Rule of law and what was allowed and what wasn't allowed and what kind of infiltration did our country have even then and so on and so forth.
So I don't think, you know, I'm not a great historian of that time period.
I think I would have to look at a lot closer.
What I can say is that We have had freedom in our minds because we thought we did, but the reality is we didn't really have freedom in this country.
And if you go back to things like the 1950s, you know, there's a great movie out that I often recommend.
I think it's called Don't Worry Baby.
And it's really fun to watch, but in a sense, and it's got this undertone of the Secret Space Program underground running things, which adds to it being more in-depth than certain things like the Stepford Wives, which tried to depict a similar thing.
But what they're showing you is that within a society that thought it was free, there was little freedom.
Because there were social sort of rules and regulations that people had to follow to fit in or be ostracized or even worse, you know, and so putting in an insane asylum.
I mean, society has been full of this kind of thing, right?
Yeah.
I think if you go through the ages, you'll also see that, of course, in Europe and in Britain and so on and so forth.
So, you know, there's always been a method to try for a certain group to try to dominate another group.
And when you have that, then you, you, you have much less freedom.
So even in Hollywood there, you know, there are, I worked in Hollywood for close to 20 years and I can tell you that, you know, they have ways of curtailing people's freedom, making people follow the sort of leader.
And they have, Very strong interest groups that have to be served and all that kind of thing.
But back to what you were saying about the, we were talking about that century, I should, you know, not be so constrictive and narrow-minded about it, because when I think back on the generation that fought World War II, I frequently think of them as the best generation, because they gave selflessly in and of themselves We had a neighborhood here where I grew up, where I spent my childhood.
It was full of World War II vets raising their families.
And it was the safest place because you could leave your house unlocked.
And for a lot of years, we did.
We didn't even bother locking our front door.
And you can bet that if somebody did something wrong, that that got dealt with in a hurry, you know.
I just feel that in that sense, the United States, because of its position in world history and because of its own makeup, is inimitable.
I heard Shelby Foote, you know, on that Ken Burns, slightly hammed up series that he did on the Civil War, Shelby Foote said, any understanding of this nation is based, and has to be based, in an understanding of the Civil War.
It defines us.
That's all nice and romantic and nostalgic, but I think that there are a lot of things that define the United States, and it's hard to say really which one of those, you know.
In a sense, it's an inimitable country, and I think all others pale in comparison to it, without putting anybody down too much.
Not that I'm trying to.
I just want to shift gears here a little bit and ask you, The 3D to 5D split.
Do you have any comments on that?
And what's your view?
What does that mean to you?
Well, I mean, there are multiple dimensions, so those are just a few of them.
I mean, it has been said that Earth has been long in 3D, which is a very strong system of polarities, and that we have been moving into 4D over the last 20 years, give or take.
And as you go into 4D, this is also, I think, accounts for people thinking of a flat earth.
I've talked about this before because 4D is considered to be an endless flat plane.
And so that thinking is basically being influenced.
It also was and is a PSYOP that was done by the intelligence agencies for some reason or other.
And then, you know, I'm not saying there aren't lands beyond Atlantis or something like that, but It is.
It is a globe.
These are, you know, there's a basic principles out in the universe and multiverse that create certain structures and so on and so forth.
But so, you know, I mean, 5D is there's another that's that's more of a sort of has sort of density to it, as opposed to, say, 4D.
But once you get into 4D, anything you think can be materialized.
So there are certain Characteristics of each dimension that comes with it.
It is also said that humans right now are doing a lot of work in 5D, but it's invisible work.
However, it is starting to manifest in this dimension.
So, we're starting to be sort of an amalgamation, and in reality, We should be multidimensional at all times.
So I think it's just simply how we're tending to see it.
manifested more now that these various dimensions are starting to make their presence known, so to speak.
And we are actualizing our perceptions going into these dimensions and understanding that when you're just looking around yourself, things are not as they seem on the most superficial of levels.
So I think, you know, anyone who studies spirituality, the occult, you know, Eastern philosophy, has always understood that there are multiple dimensions, and that you can, that we as humans are, I believe we're time travelers, and by the same token, we are dimensional travelers.
So, there are people that like to argue that, are UFOs
you know interdimensional or are they material and what they don't understand is they're both you know and so are we but they don't have that those tools to discuss things in that way so they tend to sound at least to someone like me stupid i'm sorry to say and um there's a certain person that was on a certain person's show recently talking about this and he he's made a i think a video with that title Yeah.
So I'm just saying that when you don't realize the multi-dimensionality of reality, then you tend to sound kind of dumb to people that do understand this.
Sure, sure.
How long have we been in 3D, Kerry, if you had to estimate?
Well, again, you know, this is a fluctuation.
And the beings within this sort of hologram game, whatever you want to call it, they come in and out.
You know, physicists have realized that we blink in and out.
We don't stay here the whole time, even from second to second.
So where do you go?
You go into another dimension, you know, because you're always here.
But where is here?
So the question is that you're asking is, it's difficult to answer.
If I answer it from a pragmatic, materialistic view of reality, then this version of Earth has been here for eons in Mainly occupying 3D per se, but the reality is, again, these other dimensions exist side by side, simultaneously.
For me, the concept of vibration frequency, 3D, 4D, 5D, and what have you, on and on, there are many, many It's an easy concept to understand as a structural engineer.
We studied structural dynamics and we learned that every structure, every physical object basically, is a structure, has a period of vibration, it has a period of oscillation, it's natural frequency.
And depending on how you excite that object, it will respond in different ways.
So that I totally am there as far as understanding how vibrations impact the things around us.
But then again, it's also true, and this is where it starts to get a little tricky for people, is that space and time are an illusion, as are these things around us.
This keyboard here that I'm tapping my knuckle on, this microphone, this iPhone.
None of this is real, right?
Yeah, it's an illusion, and this is understood in Eastern philosophy much more than in Western philosophy.
Yeah, and I think that the solar system-wise, we're short a couple of planets.
Do you have any comments about that?
I mean, I'm referring to the asteroid belt and the Kuiper belt.
Do you have any comments on those matters?
Well, I mean, Tiamat is said to have been destroyed and broken up into, have created the astral belts and the Van Allen belt and so on.
You know, yeah, I mean that, but there's also planets that are hidden, that are even You know, in, you might say, our solar system, if you want to call it that, and that we are not perceiving that are there.
You know, what they are, the different ones, I don't know.
It's not something I spend a lot of time thinking about, but I, you know, I just believe that You know, we are, again, you know, I think that there are other planets.
But I think whether Nibiru is actually perturbing our planet at this time, or whether it's another planet, I don't know.
We've had lots of testimony in Project Camelot about this sort of thing.
Planet X, you know, the ninth planet.
Some, you know, not classifying Pluto as a planet anymore.
I, you know, I, unfortunately, maybe it's our, our tools are, are too weak.
Maybe it's a blockage in our minds that block the vision, right?
Yeah.
So, so we're really, you have to become maybe psychically aware of a, of a planet And planets are consciousnesses, so that's something also to be considered.
And gravity is the flow of potential energy.
Perhaps, depending on how you want to talk about it.
It's interesting, and I'm getting my head around this stuff as we go.
I know that Alex Collier has talked about the planet Maldex, And my own belief, my own feeling, and I can't wait to find out more how wrong I am about this, but I think Maldek was where we now have the Kuiper Belt beyond Neptune, and one of the impactors was Pluto, which is not necessarily a spherical object, is it?
It's a little bit misshapen, it's a little bit of a jagged thing.
If you notice, the orbit of Pluto is not coplanar with the other planets.
All the other planets have circular orbits.
Pluto's is in an orbit which is not coplanar, it's coming off at an angle.
I think that that impact with Maldek may have happened there, and a piece of that impact, whether it was off Pluto or off Maldek, I don't know, but That made its way in an elliptical orbit around and hit us under the continent of India.
I've always wondered why the hell the Himalayas were the youngest mountain range, and that piece must have hit beneath India.
If you take a look at the contour map of the ocean floors of the Earth, it's fairly low, it's fairly depressed south of India.
That impact would have pushed India northward and subsumed that piece into the mantle of the planet.
And it would have definitely wiped out all the life on Earth.
And that was, what, 65 million years ago or something like that?
A long time ago.
As a structural engineer, I would just like to add, I know this is a crazy theory and prove me wrong.
I can't wait to be proven wrong because it's a bit of torture for me.
But I think that during that impact, the Earth was in real danger of rupture.
And to stabilize the Earth, that's where we gained our 3D.
The Galactic Federation put us from clockwise rotation, which is the rotational direction of all the other planets.
That rotation was countered.
It was placed against the subtle direction, or counterclockwise.
And we're rotating that way till this day.
And that was done to densify the Earth and thereby stabilize it and keep it from vibrating too high, thereby preserving the structural integrity.
And life was reintroduced onto the planet after that killer event.
I asked you about the 3D to 5D shift.
I think that it's going to be an event where the Earth is slowed down to a halt and spun the other way.
And we will be reintroduced back into 5D in that process.
But I feel fairly like a bit of a lone wolf on that theory.
I don't know if you have any comments on that or if that's a little bit too out there.
Well, I don't...
Look at it like that.
Now, I don't have any real substantial argument for or against.
I think it's so speculative, and I haven't really read any literature on it, so I can't really speak to that, whether or not indeed that's what happened.
I don't think it completely agrees with the timeline that Ashiana Dean, by way of the Guardians, has put into the Voyagers 1 and 2.
So I might, you know, not agree with it fully.
But, you know, there are different Theories and I think, you know, there's lots of theories out there so if that's one that appeals to you then you know I'm sure that investigating it further is worthwhile.
Yeah, so it's, you know, it's difficult when you start getting out there.
Yeah, millions of years and trying to make a supposition.
I'm not a geologist.
I'm not an astronomer.
You know, I'm not an astrophysicist.
And that's not the area that I specialize in.
So just saying.
Sherry, is there anyone you would be able to direct me to to discuss that theory in a little bit more depth with?
Anybody you know?
Well, one of the astrophysicists that I did interview is Paul LaViolette, and he is considered by some to kind of be... it's just a saying that he's kind of like the Einstein of our times.
That has been Whether that's actually true or not, I wouldn't pretend to believe, but he's a person.
Have you ever watched my interview with him?
No, I'm sorry, I haven't heard it, but I will definitely do so as soon as I can.
Yeah, he has an active website and he's, like I said, he's an astrophysicist, but he is somebody who rejected the pressures of joining the cabal of science.
So to speak.
So he became a rebel in their eyes.
He stuck to his own sort of views of science and has throughout the years.
So he's quite a courageous guy and he's written several books actually.
So would recommend those books and take a look and see if he goes in the direction that you're interested in.
Yeah, I mean this This is something that I would really like to talk about a little bit more.
Unfortunately, as you very correctly point out, it's extremely difficult to test something like this, because it is so out there.
To me, intuitively, it makes a bit of sense along the structural side, but there are a lot of parameters in here that we're still learning about, like what is the true nature of matter, what is the relationship between the Sun and the planets, Do you have any comments about what's been going on with the solar activity, especially those northern lights that we were able to see down into the upper United States?
Did you happen to get a look at that that night, or did it get as far south as where you are?
Well, I'm in California.
I don't know what was able to be seen so much that night.
I have to say that I think there was a lot of deception going on and there is some evidence that what was supposedly happening with a solar eclipse wasn't really happening.
That some other game was really being played.
So I, you know, and I think that that's between the dark side and the White Hats to some degree.
Yeah, I don't.
Richard Allen Miller talked about it to some degree on my show.
Again, it's, you know, These are games, and I have to admit that I don't have a great deal of interest in that sort of a game.
I guess we all focus on different areas, and my area of focus has been sort of the dynamic of the battle on the ground, to some degree, as well as the spiritual battle going on here on Earth.
And, you know, that's part of it.
So there's a lot of deception going on, but you kind of have to pick your battles and pick your poisons, you know, and what you want to follow and what you want to question.
Yeah, I apologize.
That was a little bit off of your beaten track, I admit.
I just wanted to put those questions to you because I don't really remember you Talking about that in great depth with anybody that I had seen so far.
But I would like to ask you one that I heard you mention to John Claude.
It was about a deal that may have been, may have been or may not have been, struck with the Illuminati on paying a bunch of money and having a settlement with the side of the light, The good guys.
Do you have any more comments on that?
Well, I mean, I know...
certain monies that are being paid and supposedly to to solidify the control of the United States as opposed to China of our planet so that China There was a lot of talk and even, you know, the BRICS is supposed to be evidence of this, like a shift over to, you know, the yuan as opposed to the dollar and all this.
But according to one of my very high-level financial sources, there is or has been a decision made by the people that sort of control the money To, I guess, solidify the position of the United States on the playing field, as opposed to backing China, which was initially what they were doing.
So there was a shift.
I think I even heard right around the same time that the debt clock went to zero.
And I think that might be why.
But, you know, I'm not even at liberty to say more about that, but I can say that that much I was kind of told.
Okay, fair enough.
I'm kind of combing over things here that I've been really wanting to hear your opinion on because, you know, you get around so much and you talk to so many people.
You know, I was really interested to listen to Juan Osava and talk to Nino, David Nino Rodriguez, not too long ago, and Juan mentioned towards the end of the interview, it was about an hour and a half, quite a long one, and at the end he mentioned that there were a bunch of containers around the United States, shipping containers, that ostensibly, presumably held weapons, and that
That was something that was, they're also being guarded by law enforcement, which I kind of did a double take on that.
Ostensibly for the reason that if Putin is invaded in Russia by the outside, by NATO or by whoever wants to come into his country, he has this card to play that if they want to create chaos in Russia, he'll create chaos in North America.
Is there anything that can be said about that, or is that just something that was put to distract us, potentially?
Well, my understanding, and I did hear Juan talk about shipping containers, but a lot of that is also and goes with FEMA camps and things like this that are for In theory, dead bodies and stuff like that.
And we've been hearing this kind of thing now, at least in Camelot for, I don't know, at least 15 years.
But whether or not these things are actually Intended for the purposes they say is another matter.
And whether there really are shipping containers full of weapons that are, you know, for the good guys, are they for the CCP, you know, the Chinese are invading our border, so there could be stores of weapons that they know about, that kind of thing.
I mean, we're looking at a future that is going to be highly volatile and combustionable, and I think it's even starting to materialize more and more every day.
Like Huffington Post coming out today talking about Mike Obama, Obama's partner.
I mean, Mike, whatever her name is.
Anyway, his name.
So, you know, Big Mike, as they call him, you know.
So, we're talking about this game being played and these, again, more puppets and more, well, in this case, a trans individual who is not who they say she is.
You know, she is.
So, Uh, what can I say?
I think, I do believe, I mean, I have said this and other people don't like to hear it.
You know, I think trying to prevent civil war is kind of a useless exercise in this country because there is so much opposition and contention.
And I think there's more contention and opposition than People like to project.
So different sides, you know, people saying the White Hats are in control, you know, is asinine to me.
And I've done whole shows on that subject.
So, you know, I think it comforts people to think these things.
I do think they're definitely making inroads.
I mean, they're definitely fighting the good fight against the dark side.
So don't get me wrong on that, but by the same token the dark side is still heavily invested in taking control of the planet and doing their population elimination games and all of this.
I mean, you know, I wish to some degree it wasn't the case, but the battle is on and the game is very, very on and involved.
So that's kind of how I see it.
I see we're really looking at some big events coming along.
But let me say this in perspective because A lot of the games being played and that have been played over the years have been hidden.
And we, the population of the United States, have only been party to or aware of them sometimes years later.
And seeing the real truth of what was going on, you know, and I think we're starting to see history in a completely different light.
There's a lot of information coming out.
Even 107 talks a lot about Nixon and what some very honorable things that he did for our country and on behalf of our country.
What he doesn't talk about as much is how traumatized Nixon apparently was over having to be involved in the E.T.
negotiations back in the day with Eisenhower and even before that with Truman and that he was also he was just raised talking about how he was he was very much involved in bringing over the Nazi scientists from paperclip So then you start to see a totally different picture of what was really going on at that time, contrary to what was in the press.
So I think that these revelations are also changing people and the way they think.
And so on.
And the propaganda machine is geared up and is churning out the propaganda like crazy right now.
So there's that as well.
It is hard to get discerning information right now.
I think it feels harder than it ever has been at this time.
Would it be fair to characterize this, and I'm making a fairly broad characterization of the, you know, good side trying to win back our world.
Is it a war against centralized power?
Is that too crude to put it that way?
Well, you know, I think Trump is a centralizer by many aspects of his platform, if you will.
You know, I think people don't understand where we're headed.
So it's like when they're looking at the now, they're looking at it kind of with blinders on.
I think you need to keep taking effect.
What is humanity really doing right now?
And humanity is actually becoming, you know, a galactic player, if you will, with consciousness.
So that up to now, most of the decisions having to do with other planets and colonies and you name it, out in the stars, Our conventional population has not been involved in.
They don't have anything, any say.
They don't have, you know, most of them are completely naive as to what's going on in the Secret Space Program beneath their feet and above theirs in the skies.
So when you realize that, then What this awakening and the breaking through these barriers and then actually there has to be a um I've said this before but and a lot of people realize it you know if you think that we can negotiate with other planets and planetary systems and not be to some degree united ourselves
You're kind of crazy because this is what's required.
We are on the way to a certain kind of reordering of society, of consciousness, of who we are, of how we have to work together, of how we have to live together with parts of our society that you can't kill them all.
For example, all these Pedophiles and Satanists and vampires and you name it.
You're gonna have to negotiate with them.
You're gonna have to there's gonna have to be some kind of
peace some tentative peace or ordeals if you will made with these enemies because mutual destruction is not the answer so if we're going to continue to be involved in the in this you know galactic community then we're going to have to realize how we handle ourselves and how the earth handles herself and
how humanity handles itself and reach these these places where we can begin to talk openly and understand also our enemies and understand why they are choosing the things they are and you know hiding under old-fashioned religious principles is not going to solve any of it.
In my opinion.
Oh absolutely.
So we're really at a weird juncture and I just was on a show with Brad Olson.
We were talking about this coming possible event and one of the things that he was telling me that I hadn't seen is a recent press conference with the Vatican and it recalled to mind that years ago in Project Camelot we were told that the Vatican was fighting very hard to be able to be in charge of disclosure of the ET presence.
And what's evident in this press conference is that.
So they want to own the narrative.
They want to own people's perceptions.
And by the way, they're run by the reptilians.
So guess who wants to run your life?
Yeah.
So And people are completely oblivious to this, especially, I would say, the right-wing Christian majority.
So how do you deal with that?
You need to wake them up in a very serious way.
And these are big obstacles to going forward, to moving forward into the future.
We are going into the future with or without understanding.
So I think it behooves us to try To have a mutual understanding, to pierce through the lies, to get to the real truth.
And I think that everyone's working in that capacity right now.
But how it's going to play out and, you know, and the insanity that I've seen, even in the last four years, you know, I don't know.
I don't know what's going to happen, but hopefully we won't destroy us or the planet in the process.
Nobody wants to destroy... I feel like our destroying days are going into the rearview mirror, and that's why I chose the name I did for my channel.
I feel like I'm seeing the Matrix grow smaller and smaller in the rearview mirror, and leave the Matrix behind, is what I decided to call it.
We're trying to put our best foot forward, yet stand strong and responsible As candidate members, if there is a federation out there that we're going to belong to in the future, let's call it a galactic federation of worlds, of planets, of peoples, then they would likely only accept responsible people and a responsible race like ours.
And we have to liberate our own planet and maintain ownership of that so that we can stand in that respect and be worthy new members of this group.
So that's my take on that.
Well, I mean, there is a Galactic Federation, and they have all kinds of members from other planets.
However, they have their own problems, for sure.
I think the bar that you think is there for humanity is actually there for all of them, and there are a lot of There are a lot of defectors and individuals and groups that have become infiltrators in the Galactic Federation, so it's by no means unified.
It's part of the War of Worlds indeed, but there are lots of splits in that organization or so-called organization as well.
So, you know, That's only one.
There's many, obviously.
So, actually, I have to go.
I've got a place to be.
So, I appreciate the interview.
Yeah, thanks for taking the time to talk to me, and I hope we can do it again in the future at some point.
Yes.
Because we're going to have a lot of things going on in the world interesting viewing and we'll have a lot to discuss.
So Mary, just quickly before we end it, where can people find you?
Well, my website is projectcamelotportal.com.
And I also have two other URLs that go to the same place, projectcamelot.org and projectcamelot.tv.
And I'm on my Telegram channel daily posting articles and information that I find interesting.
It doesn't mean I agree with it.
Sometimes I post things that I can't stand that are happening because and then sometimes I'll comment.
I do lots of commentary on there.
I post all my shows prior to the show going live and I go live Usually around two or three times a week, on average, the way it's been lately.
And so, you know, lots of new shows, lots of new material.
And, you know, I have all the social media and all that's at the top of my ProjectCamelotPortal.com.
That sounds awesome.
So once again, Kerry, thank you so very much.
And I really look forward to our next chat.
All right.
Thank you.
And I've enjoyed it.
God bless you, Carrie.
Take care of yourself.
All right.
Take care.
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