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July 29, 2023 - Project Camelot

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SG ANON INTERVIEWED BY KERRY CASSIDY JULY 28TH: UAP HEARING AND FUTURE

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	- Anyway, welcome. welcome.
	Hi, everyone.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy.
	I want to say welcome to SG Anon.
	It's lovely to have you on my show again.
	I really appreciate you being able to continue to talk to me.
	Some of these people out there won't talk to me, you know, they talked to me once, they'll never talk to me again, because they say too much or whatever it happens to be.
	So It's great to have you here.
	So let's, you know, there's lots going on.
	I know it got a little dark over on my side.
	I, you know, because you're not on the screen, but it doesn't matter, I guess.
	So what do you want to say as sort of your introductory comments about what's going on?
	You know, honestly, Miss Cassidy, the first thing I want to say is I appreciate coming back because we get to have these conversations and we get to ask some pretty tough questions and try to find the truth that's in the middle, right?
	And that's important.
	The events, I think, that are happening in and around the world right now, they're gearing up for some sort of escalation.
	We have Trump's rhetoric that is becoming a little bit more sort of cage rattling.
	We've seen Kim brought up a couple of times very plainly.
	I've done a couple of what I believe to be decodes, but even without those, Trump himself has brought up North Korea, the Asiatic powers in general in recent speeches.
	We're seeing things with the sort of just overall ineffectiveness of the U.S.
	federal government getting even worse, right?
	Just today, Biden walking away from the executive order that he was supposed to sign without signing it and then returning pen in hand.
	So it's sort of a very clear signal to anyone around the rest of the world that has a strategic interest in sort of getting one over on the United States that this would be the perfect time to do something along those lines.
	At the same time, we've got these whistleblowers coming out within the Congress, the Oversight Committee that you and I exchanged messages on prior to this broadcast.
	And excuse me.
	Whether for good or for ill, we are starting to finally see the idea of extraterrestrial life, of space-based programs and secret budgets and secret operations and secret programs that are far and away above the technological understanding of most of us here At the physical ground world level, right?
	Sort of like a sci-fi movie in some respects and it's becoming a matter now of public record and sort of common understanding and I think that that has to happen before we go forward or we can never truly deal with the forces that are at the core of how this Kabbalist super matrix was established here in the world.
	Yeah, I think that's a good statement.
	That's a good summation.
	I'm of the same opinion in terms of your last remark there that in order to move forward, even as humanity in general, this block that's been self-imposed and allowed to be there for all these years and actually in the hearing, I don't know if you caught it, but Grush actually referred to it going back To the 1930s, which gives you the math would be, you know, 70, 80, 90 years of secrecy.
	Okay.
	So that's incredible.
	Just incredible.
	And that's why this hearing was groundbreaking.
	And it was historical, even though we have had other so-called disclosure efforts, even involving Congress that certain people like Stephen Bassett have done.
	I actually attended one of those conferences.
	I went to Washington, DC.
	I was there in person.
	I interviewed people on the floor.
	He told me to his face he would not allow me or my whistleblowers in that conference because they didn't want the level of disclosure that I provide at that time.
	And that was, I don't know, maybe seven, ten years ago.
	So here we are.
	Fast forward to now.
	Grush is obviously the person in the know of those three whistleblowers.
	Now those other two know a certain amount, so they have certain limitations by virtue of, even if they know secretly or they have suspicions, their actual job title and their access, you could say, level, does not give them access to the real truth and not in any way that they could share.
	Grush, however, has obviously come forward.
	He's got a lot of people behind him who came to him.
	He has decided to be the fulcrum upon which their testimonies rest.
	He said very clearly that he was threatened.
	He implied they were tortured.
	They have been tortured.
	They have been threatened.
	God knows what's gone on there.
	He said they were even injured.
	I think he used that word.
	So he didn't disclose anything beyond that.
	So those were statements.
	And what happened with him, if you watched his testimony through to the end, is that he became more and more evasive and shut down in terms of his answers, the further along that conference went.
	And I believe that's because he... I don't know if he's trained as a lawyer.
	I don't remember.
	But he certainly acted like a lawyer.
	And he began to, you know, say that he could disclose in secret sessions, the skiff, as they call it, and so on and so forth.
	But he couldn't say there and then answers to certain questions.
	So that that became more prevalent in his testimony as time went on.
	And I think that's important to note.
	I also did a whole show.
	I think I sent it to you, but you may not have had time to watch it with James Grunvig from AMP.
	Did you see that?
	You know, I got about halfway through it and I thought it was very well done.
	Okay.
	Well, all right fair enough.
	You know, I know you have a busy life.
	We all do right now, but you know, I know yours you have kids and all that kind of thing.
	So just want to say that what we did was we went kind of analyzing body language.
	And what I call the psychological sort of profile of the individuals testifying there, as well as some of the Congress members, as a matter of fact.
	And you and I can go back and forth over that if you're interested.
	That kind of thing interests me because, you know, I've been now at 18, maybe even going on 19.
	I'm kind of losing track.
	Of the number of years I've been doing this, but I can say that I am a person who has to really study the psychology of my whistleblowers, of the people giving me a testimony while they're doing it, okay?
	And I watch body language very closely and things like this.
	So I gave some of my rundown on the Grundvig interview.
	I don't need to rehash some of that, but I do want to rehash one part and get maybe even your feedback or your thoughts.
	What I saw
	was in terms of let me talk about uh Fravor and I'm gonna bring let me let me bring these guys up on the screen because one thing that we didn't do we should have already done it um on that one that I I just did with uh with Grand Vegas is bring these guys on the screen so that people could see who which one's which you know because there was a little bit of confusion unfortunately they don't see fit to put their name tags or at least visibly on the screen
	Which I think they should always do.
	I think whoever's talking in something like this should always have their name front and center.
	But at any rate, these are the whistleblowers and some brief description of what their role is or has been in the military.
	and in the intelligence world.
	So David Fravor is on the far right and he is the whistleblower to do with the tic-tac.
	So let's be clear on that.
	Ryan Graves saw UFOs daily Not sure if they were the same shape and size.
	I'm not sure if we got a description of what the shape of the UFOs he had been seeing or UFPs, but he was involved in direct sighting.
	So both these guys We're involved in direct sightings.
	And then you have David Grush, who's, as it says, a U.S.
	Air Force intelligence officer or was.
	He's now classified, I think, exclusively as a whistleblower.
	And there's also an issue, I have to say, if you listened even to the grandstanding that the congressmen members did on the Thursday when they did the press conference saying they were being locked out.
	That was Burkett.
	And Luna and Burkett did interject there for the press that the so-called whistleblower protections that they're supposed to have.
	We're not working.
	We're not being really Institute instituted and we're not protecting them.
	He did.
	He did say that.
	So in terms of body language, what I saw was that That again, Fravor, the longer the conference went on, the more he seemed to be, uh, get more and more nervous and start looking more and more at the ground.
	And that indicated to me that he was feeling more and more uncomfortable, whereas he started out feeling, I think, pretty, pretty comfortable.
	And at one point when Grush said they had been threatened and even, you know, um, Had physical violence applied to them.
	He actually sort of sloughed that off and said he was fine and he felt perfectly safe.
	However, his body language towards the end indicated otherwise.
	So just want to make that point.
	And then Grush himself was under a tremendous strain.
	And as I said, he had to close down his testimony gradually more and more as the hearing went on.
	So they were marked.
	Graves, I think, was not as much under the gun and he maintained his demeanor, was more, I think, cool and collected most of the time, but I don't think he wasn't, you know, addressed as much, if you will.
	So any thoughts on any of that?
	Well, my thoughts are, I observed exactly the same thing.
	And especially with Crash, you could tell that there was much more freedom of arm movement in the beginning of that testimony than there was at the end of that testimony.
	Tremendous amount of guardedness.
	Almost buyer's remorse in some respects, if we can draw the comparison.
	And I think it's because when we're talking about these areas, right?
	Unidentified aerial phenomena.
	Well, what does that lead to?
	That leads to incredible mass understandings, several cornerstone understandings of society that are going to change and will throw off this cabal and any hope for power and control ever again, forever.
	The fact that we have sort of sentient brothers and sisters out there, right?
	And that some of them wish us ill and that some of them I think are more compassionate and wish us to elevate ourselves and our consciousness.
	The fact that we all have a sustaining source spirit, that God of all things, right?
	And we have access to that.
	The fact that we have access to technological capability that we only see in movies here in the Western world and in most of the developed nations that have any sort of electronic access, right?
	And it's all controlled.
	At the behest of a military intelligence community that is controlled by this secret space community, which we know is entwined with other worldly forces to enforce that particular will or some sort of an agenda.
	And so this goes very, very deep.
	We're talking about dethroning the actual cornerstones, right?
	The limestones on which the building is built.
	When we get into the truth about UFOs, extraterrestrials, what's actually happening with NASA, what's actually happening in Antarctica, what's actually happening in the very North Arctic Canadian Islands, right?
	The things that are actually happening all around the world, and where a lot of this money that has been laundered through our government has actually gone to.
	I think this is, if I was those whistleblowers, and just from my own personal, you know, perspective and viewpoint, this would be Life-changing and earth-shattering to me, and I can't say that I wouldn't be a little cagey on the stand as well.
	Absolutely.
	Well, what happens is, I think, in terms of Grush, is that he became more and more aware.
	Maybe all three of them did.
	That what they were saying on the stand could be used against them in another setting, a completely different setting.
	And that even though they're supposed to have protections in place, they obviously aren't really in place.
	And that on top of it, the nature of the questions and the impact of what was being said and the conclusions that were absolutely inescapable.
	Especially by way of the last older man, and I'm sorry I don't have his name, but I have a clip of him that I can actually play.
	So what happened is the conclusion being inescapable that this was technology that At least what they seem to think, okay, is out of this world, off this planet, that we, not just the United States, but the entire world, has no access to and may not have, at least according to Fravor, is 20 years.
	He thinks 20 years in advance of whatever we have, which is actually incorrect, but we can live with that for the moment.
	And Basically saying that it's a threat to our national security.
	It's actually a threat to our Earth's sovereignty and security.
	They didn't go there, they didn't say that, but the extrapolation is obvious, okay?
	If it's a threat to the United States' national security, it's a threat to everybody's if they don't have it either, okay?
	So, meaning the technology.
	To say nothing of what are the capability of the beings that, in theory, are driving these craft.
	Now, I think... Okay, I... See, I'm in a little bit different situation than a lot of people because, you know, I've been doing this for over 18 years, and I have whistleblowers who have actually given me feedback on some of this stuff, including the Tic Tacs, by the way.
	And I think it's important.
	I think I can come out and say some things about that, but because my interview is with you, I want to make sure that we give you the stand and let you kind of roll with this for a while, and then we can come back to some of the things I'm saying here that may contradict the knowledge base, let's say, of especially the pilots Who I don't think were shy about saying they had limitations to their knowledge.
	I think at this point, Gresh, because of his, in a sense, you know, he's got whistleblowers.
	He's a whistleblower.
	He's got whistleblowers behind him.
	So he's more like me.
	I have whistleblowers.
	When you have that kind of thing, you have a foundation and your own, you know, you can pack on top of that your own intuition and the ability to analyze and discern and so on and so forth.
	So, What is your thought in terms of the exchange that happened between the Congress members and the witnesses?
	Do you have some thoughts on that?
	You know, I think my thoughts on the exchange that happened were that for what it is at this present moment in time, considering where most of our population is both in the U.S.
	and around the world with understanding extraterrestrials and other worldly life, I thought it was pretty decent.
	I thought it was a good baby step.
	I think it needs to go much much further and I was disappointed that Grush answered so many questions with that he couldn't get into specifics on that or that that was classified and he wasn't he wasn't allowed to talk about that or this and that and I understand Some of that.
	But I also understand, and I think that if I was going to get a little personal about any issues, it would probably be this issue in particular.
	This is a massive, massive component of the identity of mankind that's been taken away from us, and we don't really know who we are in our grand scale, in our grand scheme of things, because we've been sort of sheltered children, right?
	Locked in the room all of our lives.
	Excuse me.
	And so when we consider what's going on with these hearings, it's a wonderful overture.
	And I think that it is a good olive branch starting place, especially for people that are going to have a hard time coming around to certain realities that may contradict a religious understanding, right?
	And then that understanding may have to be um informed or expanded a little bit more or maybe interpreted just a little bit differently and i'm not qualified to advise on those sorts of things but i can say that that's one of the hurdles in consciousness and there are others too that we're facing down with this um what really amounts to the truth of the power structure and hierarchy that goes all around our earth and and throughout our local group right um so i thought it was i thought for what it was it was good but i think we need to take it much much further
	i don't i think we need to not relent on this issue at all Okay, and I appreciate that, of course.
	Well, what I'd like to do is go back to some of these individuals, and I think that there were some what you call tells that happened during the sort of hearing that were particularly interesting, and I'd like to get your take on it, so if you don't mind.
	So the person who introduced the topic, the first speaker, the guy with white hair, I'm afraid I forget his name.
	Do you know his name offhand?
	You know, I'm ashamed to say that I don't recall it.
	Alright, that's that's OK.
	I mean, you know, it's just this thing was fast.
	It it was short and we didn't have a lot of time to to get these details.
	OK, so I don't even know if they showed his name tag or he introduced his name.
	I don't remember.
	I have to go back anyway.
	What happened was, this is my take on him, I'd like to hear what you think.
	He seemed like a guy who had literally been coming to the event, handed a bunch of papers and said, you're up, you're going to introduce this, because the original guy, for some reason, got taken out or taken down and not allowed to speak.
	Because of the way the guy with the white hair acted.
	Now maybe he acts like that all the time.
	Like he just doesn't know where he is or what's going on.
	But the way he came across in his opening remarks was somebody completely unprepared.
	That's the way I looked at it.
	And I was very surprised when just a little bit into his his spiel, he actually got hit by I think might have been a scalar weapon, frequency weapon, but he went silent.
	He went as some people just didn't see this part.
	I don't know why, but I was watching, I guess, the live show.
	So I don't even know if it's on the recording, but he actually went silent for a good 30 seconds, if not even 45 or a minute.
	In other words, he just almost froze.
	He lost his place.
	He forgot what he was talking about.
	He looked like he kind of came to after those 30, 40, 50 seconds and basically looked around and realized where he was.
	That's what it looked like.
	And then he continued to talk.
	And pretty quickly after that, he turned it over to whoever was next.
	So that was a stunning little situation that happened right away.
	Did you happen to catch that?
	I did catch that, and I had the exact same thought.
	Some sort of frequency-based weapon, possibly along the lines of a toned-down version of like the CIA's heart attack gun, probably used close range, and it seemed very obvious that as he was going along he was shuffling anyway, but then we had this confusion and this almost stalemate where he looked as though he was trying to find his own thoughts again.
	You know, and I'll be honest, Miss Cassidy, it kind of reminded me of those individuals from way back in those college days where you would go out and you would see what you would call the stereotypical stoners and they would be having a conversation and then suddenly someone would trail off.
	And they would have absolutely no idea what had just occurred.
	It seemed very much similar to that.
	But that was my first thought, was that because he was the opening person, he was getting this underway, he was reading it into the public record and getting us sort of set up.
	That would be the time if I were going to interfere with something and I was the other side, I would attempt to do it in those opening remarks or very soon after.
	Right.
	OK, well, that's good to know, because I've asked several people now and some of them saw it and some didn't.
	I don't know whether they either turned away from the TV at that or the video at that exact moment or whether it's not actually been picked up and recorded like they could have closed the gap in later renditions.
	So we'll have to go check that.
	So I would encourage my audience to check that in case they are aware of what I'm talking about.
	So then aside from that, There is this issue about clearances.
	So what this group is, is the Congressional Oversight Committee in charge of, if I understand it, national security and borders.
	Which it seems like it's kind of thrown in there, but as a part of the title.
	Now, they didn't even, when they marked this particular YouTube that was live, they didn't even put that it was the UAP hearing.
	They didn't even give it a title like that.
	So people that had seen the title on YouTube wouldn't even know.
	And I sent it out to a bunch of people.
	Saying this is going to be the hearing, blah, blah, blah.
	But if you're not paying attention, you would have seen that title for a YouTube video and never known that the subject matter was going to be the UAP or UFO subject.
	OK, so that's important.
	Then the next thing is that their their remit is all about national security.
	And a lot of people miss that somehow that they didn't seem to compute.
	And I even had people who are sympathetic to the story, who have knowledge, tell me they were angry because it wasn't an educational video.
	And what they didn't understand is that this Congressional Oversight Committee, their concern is national security.
	So that by the end of the hearing, The concluding remarks, especially by this particular man, who I'll bring him up on the screen in a minute, he actually said, I think I'm the last one to come forward.
	He asked some of the most probing questions and asked for yes or no answers, as a matter of fact.
	Then he unequivocally said, these things are a threat to national security.
	That was the conclusion.
	And he clearly indicated to me, at least, He gave his title at the beginning, that he had a greater clearance, perhaps, than some of the others that were in the room asking questions.
	That was my take.
	Are you aware of the person I'm talking about?
	While you answer me, I'm going to find his picture.
	I think I'm aware if I'm thinking about the same gentleman, and he was towards the end of the questioning line, is that correct?
	Towards the end of the entire video, yes.
	I think that you know honestly my conclusion on that gentleman is probably out to the jury at this time but I think that there's good bodily language and style to show that we have someone at least at the very least that has a much broader more pertinent knowledge base to this key issue because he was able to to phrase those questions in such a way that he could get pretty much you know by and large the answers that he was trying to get and the The very plain statement about being a threat to national security.
	I don't think you're going to come out as a representative of the people or as a government representative, you know, representative of the nation and the security of the nation and say something like that without feeling like you have a good fundamental legal basis, a good fundamental power structure understanding, a good fundamental understanding of what constitutes a true threat to national security.
	Okay, can you see the person that I've got on the screen?
	Mr. Ogles.
	Okay, yes.
	That's his name.
	So, he is the person I'm talking about.
	And so, anyone who wants to go back and check what he said.
	Now, unfortunately, I'm not good with the technology and I tried to To record the screen using QuickTime, and there's no sound, unfortunately, on this clip, but I've got somebody else working on that for me.
	Unfortunately, they didn't.
	It looks like they didn't capture the clip yet, but this is the guy who came to a conclusion that was unequivocal after asking point-blank questions, firing them at the three witnesses towards the very end of the whole hearing.
	And he basically, you know, he built up to the conclusion by getting them to answer yes, no questions.
	Now, what was also interesting about that was that the people who, you know, the whistleblowers did not want to answer yes or no to a couple of his questions.
	They said, quite possibly, things like that.
	In other words, they were afraid to say yes or no when the answer was clearly yes.
	Okay.
	And one of the questions that was asked, let me just say, was, did you think, had you had the equipment to do so, that you could have defended your craft and your crew?
	And the answer was no.
	Unequivocally, no.
	And that was Fravor was asked that.
	When he was involved in the sighting, did he think he could defend himself?
	If that particular vehicle, which happens to be this very benign looking Tic Tac, which I believe is actually a drone, but nonetheless, he said no, they couldn't have defended themselves had it turned hostile.
	Okay, which is marked and very important.
	Now, This these kinds of questions and answers and there you can pick you can actually go through from beginning to end and find priceless question and answer sequences right where the answers they could not get out of the answers and the answers from the the pilots and Grush had to be basically It's a threat to national security, primarily a threat.
	And by the way, this is a sighting that has been so cleansed.
	And and so, you know, basically they chose the least UFO looking UFO, which is the Tic Tac, which basically looks like a child's toy.
	Couldn't be less threatening, in my opinion, and also has two antenna, by the way.
	And that they basically were told you were had to say that that it could be a threat because they didn't know what the technology was that allowed it to maneuver the way it did.
	So, with that in mind, there are other question and answer sequences.
	Was there anybody, any particular set of questions?
	And, you know, look, if you haven't watched it with this kind of an eye that I'm talking about, we can move on to other subjects.
	I just thought, you know, let's cover this briefly and then move on.
	But I, you know, you seem to have some some attention to the show and so I just want to make sure that we allow you to tell anything that you might have caught.
	Any particular behavior?
	Any particular framing of a question?
	Any particular answer of a question?
	Was there anything that really stuck in your mind?
	You know, actually, yes.
	When we were watching that whole sequence, and I forget the questioner, but I remember Gresh saying that he was the first whistleblower that he knew of to come out and reveal this sort of level of information, this sort of expose of what was going on behind the scenes with the U.S.
	government.
	And I don't think that was 100% true if I'm not mistaken.
	If I'm not mistaken, we have several others that have done similar sorts of things.
	I believe one of them's name was Colonel Curso or Colonel Kelso at one point back several decades ago.
	Curso.
	And so I thought that was unusual because it would seem to me that Grush having his exposure, his expertise, whatever that happens to be, whatever access he probably has, The defectors, if you will, in that circle, I would think would be on the lips of everyone.
	We would certainly know them by name, right?
	And so I found that interesting.
	I'm not sure if that was designed as a sort of self-securing and protective maneuver for reading into the public record.
	And there's plausible deniability that's built into that.
	But I thought it was fascinating that that statement was made.
	And then the discussions that he was having with The female representative can't remember her name, but she she asked a very pertinent question.
	Is it Luna or is it the other woman?
	Luna, I believe.
	You know, asking these questions and you know, I can't get into this into the specifics, but I'll tell you in the in the sessions in between, right?
	And I thought that was fascinating and she seemed very genuine in Yes, we're definitely going to have these conversations.
	I'm definitely going to have people on my staff and myself, and we're going to be there.
	I got that sort of energy off of it, if you will.
	It seemed very genuine.
	It could be scripted, I don't know.
	But I think that those two things really stood out to me, and I really think that this is probably going to kick off a much larger discussion to come.
	Yes, okay.
	Let me address the first thing you talked about, which is Grush saying he's the first witness to come forward.
	At the level or the depth of information that he was revealing which is actually not true and it's not true because I've been doing this for 20 years and I've got plenty of whistleblowers who have come forward over those years and they are military and they are intelligence agents both current and former and they have revealed this level of knowledge okay so and information and I have It's all over my videos.
	So if you don't know my videos, you're not going to know that, of course.
	But there are other places they have come out, which is even the Stephen Bassett hearing that he had in Washington, D.C.
	many years ago.
	It was all recorded and put online.
	I'm actually forgetting the name of the conference, but it was a disclosure conference.
	And like I said, I was there in attendance, in person, saw the whole thing.
	And actually interviewed some of the witnesses on the floor as well.
	So, Grush knows this.
	He had, I think he'd have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to know this history.
	He doesn't have to have watched my videos per se, but my witnesses, some of them are extremely famous.
	Like, Like Command Sergeant Robert O'Dean, or Bob Dean, as we call him.
	Bob Dean's testimony as a member of SHAPE headquarters in Europe, and his breaking of his security oath, and the countless number of interviews he's done over the years, and he has passed on since then.
	And especially his Camelot interviews, I have to say, because he says, I made him a rock star.
	Contradicts Gresh's statement completely.
	Now, I think that Grush, first of all, let me tell you that this is not the only place that he said that.
	He actually said that back a couple months ago when he did the News Nation interview, and it was quoted in newspapers that way, that he was the first one to come forward disclosing this information.
	Not true.
	So let's clear that up right here and now.
	And I understand that you're, so you're correct in catching that.
	And I have to say is what's the motivation?
	I think the motivation is that as a state's witness, if you will, he has been coached on what to say and what not to say, obviously.
	And I think at this point it's kind of driving him crazy.
	He showed signs of stress, marked stress, towards the end of the session as well, and I actually think that he Whether he was before he started the session, I think he definitely was, by the end of the session, afraid for his life.
	He acted like a man who suddenly realized that his life could be in danger.
	Serious danger.
	And this is more of a military way of thinking about it than how you or I might think about it.
	I think it's very important to say that that was a false statement, but why?
	Because they are told, look, the last thing that the secret, what we call this, I call the secret government, the secret space program, want people to know is what Gresh actually said in the hearing to his credit, is that this secrecy has gone on since the 1930s.
	That is so important because we're looking at what is in essence 90 Years of lying to the American public.
	So what they want to do, they really want to do, is kind of make this new wave of UFOs and disclosures as if it just happened.
	And even, they can't even do it with the Tic Tac because that's 2002 and now I'm going to tell you a piece of information about the Tic Tac.
	I have a very good witness that I, he's an investigator, he's very well known, He's been doing this like me for God knows how long.
	And he's very credible.
	He's interviews, his primary area is aerospace.
	But he has not only a picture of the Tic Tac, but he has testimony about it going back to 1967.
	Believe it or not, and it has the exact same appearance.
	It even has those same two antenna.
	However, he thinks that the rivets that he had back in 1967 could have been like another.
	There's a new rendition that doesn't have rivets.
	Maybe that's the only change.
	I don't know again, and he and I agree that it's a drone, by the way, and that technology.
	Is actually I was told by a whistleblower right up.
	This is story came out, which is after 2002.
	And my whistleblower is a very high level whistleblower said that it was one of ours.
	Now, obviously, Fravor doesn't know that.
	Certainly, the technology demonstrated is out of this world.
	But these people and the elephant in the room, what I would call is the secret space program that has been going on since the 1930s and has been reverse engineering alien tech since then.
	And Grush did testify that his witnesses And he were aware that they had reverse engineered technology.
	They also that was 1 of the clear statements he made during the hearing.
	So.
	What does that tell you?
	It just tells you that the tic tac.
	That's like the only visible UFO type vehicle they will show you.
	They didn't show you any pictures.
	You know that the internet is full of visible full of UFO sightings.
	It couldn't be more full it.
	I think they said at one point that UFOs and sex were the two predominant things that people made videos and talked about on the internet.
	And indeed that's probably still the case.
	Okay, so With all that data, and with all the military data, going back 90 years, this is the best they can do.
	It's incredible.
	It's a cleansed, controllable sighting.
	It was basically a demonstration.
	My whistleblower told me at the time it was a demonstration for the Chinese to show them what we could do.
	Now, obviously, Fravor has no idea about this because they're not, they again, nobody in that room would acknowledge that there's what I call a secret space program that operates way above secrecy, normal secrecy of any kind.
	Way above Congress.
	Congress is now face-to-face with a secret government that they don't control, that controls them.
	This is the first time they're acknowledging that.
	They probably know that, okay, those members must know that, right, behind the scenes.
	But this is the first public acknowledgment of that.
	So we're really talking about a very interesting demonstration of what some of the people who have even had sightings and been involved in the military think they know.
	Versus some of the reality and that Grush actually knows better, right?
	The real truth.
	So, fascinating to see this come out in a public session that's now can be seen over and over again.
	Anyone watching this can see this.
	So, yeah.
	Okay, any thoughts about what I just told you?
	Well, I think it's absolutely fascinating that you believe it's a drone, because in my initial research into this object, I was starting to see those exact same sorts of patterns, and I'm intrigued by that.
	And it seems like it's reverse-engineered technology, right?
	And we know that most of the things that we have in today's day and age actually came from that reverse-engineered process beginning around the turn of the 20th century, right?
	I think one of the most incredible things that Grush stated when he said that or one of the most incredible things that comes from Grush's statement where he said that this has been going on since the 1930s.
	So you're talking about like you said 90 to 100 years nearly at this point.
	The amount of money, the amount of trillions of dollars necessary to sustain the lie, to sustain the narrative control, to sustain the lens, right?
	Academia, science, research and development, technology, government programs, both public and non-public.
	The amount of effort needed to keep this one particular reality from we the people of the world, and it's not just the United States, it's we the people of the entire Earth, is sort of staggering, I think, in scope.
	It's staggering to try and comprehend that.
	And so that tells me that this is an extremely important area to these idiots that have always been in control and that have been in cahoots with otherworldly life forms to enslave the world.
	This is a very important arena for them, and we are sort of blowing that narrative open now.
	What comes of this, I think, from their side, with whatever influence they may have left in key sectors, can only be desperation.
	Being able to shut down this caliber of information is almost Crucial, unequivocally necessary for their survival because it invalidates so much of our understanding of how the world works and what the true nature of reality around us really is.
	Right.
	So what you're emphasizing here is the amount of money and the years of secrecy, and God knows what that has done.
	Not to mention, by the way, the number of whistleblowers who have been killed for disclosing.
	Absolutely.
	God bless them.
	Exactly.
	And Bill Cooper is one that's quite well known.
	He wrote a book called Behold a Pale Horse, which is still available out there.
	But arguably, I've had a number of my whistleblowers be killed.
	Die early.
	Brian O'Leary is one.
	He was given a fast-acting cancer and died within a year of us making a It was supposed to be a follow-up TV show to The Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura.
	We were supposed to be the ones dealing with aliens, myself and my former partner Bill Ryan, from very early days.
	And that show was shot I was there when our director got an unequivocal offer from the CIA to control the show.
	He turned it down, he was subsequently fired, and our producer was fired and replaced.
	The show then basically was Re-edited and went on the shelf and was only shown one Friday night when we had happened to catch it because of our devoted following who are watching this particular channel.
	And and we got a copy of it.
	So we have had a copy of it on our website ever since.
	If you want to see the TV show and you haven't seen it already, it's it's actually fascinating and it involves all our witnesses and we co-produced it basically, although we didn't get paid for that.
	And there are a number of sort of nefarious machinations that went on behind the scenes besides that.
	But the bottom line being that this information and the efforts to disclose and control and then control whistleblowers who come forward is notorious, at least for us in the circuit who followed this all these years.
	And it is marked markedly important In terms of, this is just another matter, but it's not even to do the secrecy.
	Catherine Austin Fitts, which is a financial person, you may be familiar with her, has, she used to be the housing secretary apparently under, I don't know if it was Nixon or somebody else, And basically, so she had some inside knowledge of working for the government, in essence.
	And she is now a financial expert.
	She has her own website.
	I think it's called Solari.
	Starts with the word Solari.
	And she publishes a financial report every month or whatever it is.
	I've interviewed her a few times.
	I happen to know her level of knowledge was much less than mine and my whistleblowers, but still she was educated.
	And I even know a person who educated her, and I'm not going to say his name, but he's known in the community, and he's known in Washington, D.C.
	area, let's say.
	And he, I believe it was him, invited her to view an alien body, and she refused to see it because she didn't think she could psychologically, I guess, handle it.
	But at any rate, she has come forward over the years to talk about what is called, in essence, the Secret Space Program budget that involves our expenses, an unchecked and uncharted list of expenses for technology that we've been developing and reverse engineering over At least the last 60 years since it's been maybe documented in a certain way.
	She she talks about that budget and it's it's in the trillions.
	It may be beyond that.
	I don't billions.
	I don't even know my numbers that well.
	So I I can't go there but you can watch her shows and she's talked about this often.
	So this is where you know, because the United States has this thing where they do this.
	It's kind of There's this sort of zen-like way of hiding your power.
	So what they tell people is they've got old technology that's falling apart and all this kind of stuff, which is all a lie.
	It's all a subterfuge to hide the Secret Space Program and the amount of money that has gone into this program to make all these things possible.
	And that includes a steady stream of money from drugs, gun running, and human trafficking.
	Sad to say.
	This was not disclosed in this conference, obviously, but I've been disclosing about this and my whistleblowers have been disclosing because they work for these people.
	Many of my whistleblowers, especially the older ones who have come forward with the most information, have spent at least 40 years of their life working for these people.
	And come out under, you know, threats to the friends, family, and so on.
	And in some cases, paid for it, either with a child dying.
	You could, you know, you can't prove these things.
	It's very hard to prove that when somebody's killed, how they die, who killed them, right?
	But the evidence is substantial.
	To, you know, weighing on the side that these people were not just threatened but they were killed.
	And in some cases they just simply died early.
	Pete Peterson is one of my work more well known.
	Witnesses who basically testified on a conference, actually a several day in-depth discussion that then came out in three interviews.
	One that I did, one that David Wilcock did, and one that my former partner Bill Ryan did.
	Of all three, Pete Peterson called me up and said to get rid of mine.
	He said it was an embarrassment and I should, you know, take it down.
	But of course, that was the one that contained the most important information as is how they operate.
	Anyway, he claimed that he lost business because of me, you know, and all this kind of thing.
	I do know they killed his wife.
	No, she met an early death and then they killed him, I believe.
	There is a trail of bodies that go along with the secrecy.
	It's not just secrecy.
	Absolutely.
	And that's why I think that this coming out into the public space in the way that it has, and especially at this point, right, where over the last three years we've seen what is arguably the largest segment of the population in different nations around the world collectively, simultaneously asking the big questions, breaking away from this mind control matrix in some form and fashion, right?
	People watched The events of November 3rd of 2020 and realized there's no way this guy lost that election.
	And then the events that have come after that have given so much stir and concern and have resulted in so many different interpretations, right?
	And here we are, mid-2023, and we've been discussing the idea that we're not alone in the universe, that Roswell was not an isolated incident, that they don't spend trillions of dollars and decades worth of resources and manpower To hide something for no reason.
	And we're starting to ask these questions now at the level of power, at least optically from what we're seeing in the narrative, that actually count.
	You know, I have my doubts that the United States Congress in its overall capacity would be by itself able to break away from the control of this secret government.
	I'm not 100% certain that that can actually occur.
	Um, and, and we've, you know, if you've watched any of my content, and I know that a lot of people out there find it a little controversial, but I think there's some implicators or some indicators, I should say, that show that there's some sort of struggle going on behind the scenes to have that control, to have that power.
	To have that that lever pulling ability right and break away from this this secret government that you're referencing.
	But what we're seeing I think is very docile and I think it's worth highlighting like you did that.
	The process we're going through with unveiling what is true about the nature of otherworldly life forms, other sentient beings, the technologies that they have access to, the technologies that have been used, reverse engineered, and then weaponized, right?
	Frequency-based systems that came around in the 20th century and early 21st century, of course, highly weaponized against the human being, primarily derived from extraterrestrial technology.
	And so when we look at this How significant these events are to where we're at right now.
	It's sort of the like you said earlier and I think it's the greatest term to describe this issue.
	It's the elephant in the room.
	We get a lot of discussion in the community about the war in Ukraine and the optical events happening in different narratives and around the world and the kinetic events happening in Africa, right?
	We talk a lot about cultural events and military events and election events and Trump and all of these other things and we're not talking a whole lot.
	I don't think Or certainly not at a high volume level yet, about who's really in charge of the puppeteers?
	Who really pulls the handles at the top levers of government?
	Who is above the banksters?
	Who do the banksters pledge loyalty to?
	Right?
	And fealty to?
	These are questions that we have to ask all the way to the top of the pyramid.
	Yes, and very well said.
	Absolutely.
	And this is part of the problem, obviously.
	It is stunning that it's taken this long, I would say.
	And I guess you could say a tribute to The powers that be, whoever they happen to be.
	And I have to say that, you know, I just wrote, I don't know if you saw my recent article, but I wrote, I know in certain terms, the fact that the White Hats are also part of the secrecy, sadly, that they have not been seen fit to
	clue people in to even what they know about the real controllers behind the scenes and the secret space program and I'm sure that is by virtue of some kind of an agreement either within their ranks or with the controllers themselves that they would be allowed to kind of persist and that Trump would be able to run and all those kinds of things by agreement
	With these powers, whatever you want to call them, because this is unequivocal.
	This is the, as I say, the elephant in the room, the fact that there is a secret, and this is not a deep state, this is a secret government that is very secret, and a secret space program that gives them the wherewithal to even be a secret government.
	Okay, because everyone knows this, but of course it's the guy with the biggest gun, as one would say.
	It's the, you know, the people or the beings with the greatest amount of technology, the most advanced technology that can run this planet.
	That's how it's done.
	And of course, this is who we're talking about.
	So, they don't talk about it.
	They won't talk about it.
	One has actually gone so far as to tell me, as I've said this many times, and Simon Parks, who had his own alien stories, and he's a You know, a political guy in the UK has his own channel, you may know who he is, and basically tell us not to talk about the alien thing, because they do not want to bring forward the question as to who's really controlling this mess, all right, here on planet Earth.
	Who has the real control levers, by the way, Of when the quantum financial system or if it ever comes forward.
	Of whether Trump will win or lose the next election.
	Of everything else you might want to question.
	Who's really controlling this?
	You see these machinations.
	I'm told that Patrick Byrne and what's his name?
	The sheets guy.
	Mike Lindell.
	Yeah, Mike Lindell are slated to give this big outing production somewhere around the 16th or 17th of August to out the real data behind the steal of the election for once and for all.
	I hope so.
	I hope that does happen.
	But even behind that, you see, who controls the CIA?
	You have to ask yourself that.
	Who controls these agencies, these mega agencies?
	Who controls the mega companies?
	I was told at one point that the CIA is controlled by one alien.
	One.
	I mean, take it for what it's worth, you know, whatever you like.
	That's what I was told.
	It's an interesting idea.
	I know that Dulce was controlled by one alien.
	Still is, probably.
	And that particular alien considers themselves to be, it's a funny term, but E.T.
	royalty.
	Entitled to control such place.
	A very diabolical and horrible place where they're using humans in cages and And, and, you know, doing reverse engineering and and and child trafficking and human, human, you know, sacrifice galore.
	This is what's really happening, but of course hasn't made it out yet.
	I think this is at least a start, you know, this latest hearing.
	But yeah, we don't know the real controllers.
	And unfortunately, even the White Hats, who could have come out with some more disclosure, probably aren't at liberty to do so because their own lives and their families' lives, I'm sure, are on the line.
	So it's like, you know, you're between a rock and a hard place, no matter what you do.
	And I think, to get back to the hearing, Grush actually felt that way at times, right?
	You know, it absolutely looked that way.
	And I think that's probably going to be our whistleblower experience all the way through this process, however long this lasts, because we're now seeing them not even hide it anymore, right?
	You know, the silent assassination of the lady that visited President Obama with regards to 9-11, and the plane crash that occurred a week later, right?
	These sorts of innocuous details, sort of very unfortunate, seemingly disconnected events, except if we go back and look, she was on a plane that the tickets had been given to her by the 44th President himself.
	And so, I think we're seeing that on display now, quite frankly.
	I think we're seeing that highlighted in a big way.
	The IRS whistleblower situation, the crypto millionaire that was just found recently hacked up in a sack in Argentina.
	The other individuals that have disappeared, Dr. Gal Luft, who is on the run, fleeing for his life, has very damning information on Biden and Burisma and all of these different deals, right?
	And so the individuals with the UAP information and the type of disclosure that you're talking about, it is, I think, very much a familial-based situation, right?
	Am I going to come out, come forward with this information and better mankind and risk Losing it all.
	Losing my family.
	Losing my kids.
	Losing my life.
	My livelihood.
	Having myself financially destroyed.
	Right?
	These sorts of things.
	Just look at Garrett O'Boyle with the FBI.
	Right?
	And what they did to him just for the sorts of revelations he had.
	And that was only about what was happening within the agency.
	That had nothing to do with The true controllers at the top of society and so I have to admit I was hopeful by 2023 we would be a little bit further along in the process of understanding who we really are and I was I was hopeful that we were going to have a little bit higher level disclosure and I'm not 100% certain why but I'm also not a qualified military strategist to say why or why not.
	I can say that the fact this hearing came out in the way that it did That we had multiple sort of reconfirmations from these gentlemen bouncing off informing the information that they were giving to the panels and we're reading it into the public record and this was publicly accessible.
	Of course, it wasn't carried by any mainstream news outlet and in any normal country, it would be a bombshell, right?
	The story of the century, but not here in America.
	But it is available out there for people, and the information, I think, as far as breaking that glass of innocence, that understanding that, you know, the world you live in is maybe quite a few fractals short of what it should be, you know, consciousness-wise and interpretation-wise, I think this was a good first step.
	I'm cautiously optimistic to see what happens from here.
	Okay so um I do want to get into some world events and I want to get into the Project Blue Beam idea that this is also a setup uh for what we know of as by the name Project Blue Beam which is a fake alien invasion that I was told um unknown certain terms was supposed to happen actually A few years ago.
	So they're late but better late than never I guess from their point of view.
	So the bottom line being Randy Kramer again is the whistleblower who came forward in Yelm Washington to tell the audience that within three years the military had decided to do a fake alien invasion in part because they were sick of the gap of knowledge between what was True, and the military and who is really running things, I guess, the secret space program, and the general public on here on our planet Earth.
	That at least is the philosophy.
	So, When you look at that, and when you look at this, you have to realize that in order to have a credible enemy, you have to establish that there is a threat at all.
	And therefore, the giggle factor had to be removed, I believe, in order for them to move to their next stage.
	So this, I think, is being allowed to happen.
	Primarily to allow for the next step, which in their book would be in essence a fake alien invasion where they control the narrative and where they're going to show on your local TVs real so-called invaders that they then battle and defeat, all of whom that they built anyway, and some of which might be holograms, some may be
	uh biological entities and I think in theory they will be insectoid.
	That's my just a theory.
	I think it's interesting that the Tic Tac itself looks like a container that you would put bugs in.
	So that could be like the reason they have been using that instead of the traditional UFO, of which there are zillions of sightings.
	And or even the reptilian craft, which are long and narrow, look like cigar.
	And then there are many different renditions of craft out there for the public.
	So any thoughts on all of that?
	My thoughts are actually that I agree with you 100%, and I think Bluebeam is coming into play very soon, and this seems preparatory for that outcome.
	It's no coincidence that we had the information about Bluebeam drop, I believe it was in the mid-90s, 1994-95, where we were discussing this whistleblower that had come forth and stated that Bluebeam holograms were going to be used to stage some sort of end-times invasion and usher in a new world order, right?
	Right 1996 David Rockefeller had gave that meeting gave that speech at that meeting discussing the new world order thanks to the media for their deference in the process was outlining some of the finer details and they discussed extraterrestrials as a venue of Control as a means of establishing control.
	I find it fascinating that the film Independence Day with Will Smith was produced and released just up to and then in the year 1996, the year 95 and 96, right?
	With release date in 96.
	And so the exact same time that we're seeing this discussion about ushering in a new world order, H.W.
	Bush was very clear about that.
	There was no sort of Confusion when we go back and we look at the speeches made and what the goals were with reallocating the military budgets and, you know, beefing up the budget of the CIA and other things like that.
	And so we've seen, I think, Bluebeam style technology just recently publicly in Dubai as well at one of their great fairs or the great exhibitions.
	I know we saw whales just a few months back, or just a couple of months back anyway, in some sort of entertainment form.
	And if you weren't any the wiser, you would believe that there were blue whales swimming across the sky right in front of your face.
	And this was a cell phone video.
	um or excuse me a tiktok video look like it had been recorded on a cell phone and so i have my doubts that they were able to edit it um to such a degree and we know that these sorts of technologies have existed for the entertainment primarily of the elite at the top for a long time the individuals out there if you've ever seen thor 3 the disney marvel movie the ragnarok movie where They have a character played by Jeff Goldblum who leverages hyper-advanced technology and species for his own personal entertainment.
	That's sort of the same lens that we're talking about here.
	So Bluebeam, we have very good evidence to show that it is coming.
	It was used once already.
	It is a very effective technology.
	It's low orbit based primarily from what I understand.
	It can generate Whatever necessary image and including the acoustics necessary for that image to carry forth into reality, it's kind of like tricking your own lying eyes.
	And I think it's very possible we see this used.
	Independence Day, that movie with Will Smith, the timing it was released on, I just don't think this is coincidence, Carrie.
	They always tell us.
	Yes.
	Now, let me just interject that one of our famous whistleblowers, John Lear, who's a famous pilot from the Learjet family, he testified, actually, I think it was to Congress, but it was to some important body.
	That the 9-11 planes were holograms and I've got a whistleblower who said the same thing to us and they basically um you know so that is that I mean this is a pilot coming forward telling absolutely the truth as he knows it he also um we introduced us to a guy named Norm Bergrum who is a famous uh person from who worked in the deep state in Moffett Field for his entire career he was in his 90s when I interviewed him
	He has written a book called The Ringmakers of Saturn that's available for free on the internet.
	And he is a person who told John Lear that he was in Palo Alto, which is where Moffett Field was and or is.
	And by the way, I was born there.
	And and basically that he saw an airplane come very low over a freeway and go very low over an overpass and then blink out.
	That in essence, it was a hologram that he could not distinguish from reality.
	And John Lear said the same thing about a conference he attended, where the person giving the conference on stage walked off stage and then blinked out.
	And they all thought he was completely real.
	So the technology, and these are years ago, this is really, this is like, I don't know if it's 10 years, but it's probably at least five or six or seven or whatever.
	Maybe it is 10 because of COVID.
	I forget years now.
	But at any rate, just saying the technology has existed for a long time at this point.
	What kind of technology they will really roll out, how advanced it has become, I don't know.
	But they certainly have the technology to do such a thing at this point.
	And yes, the indicators are, again, this conference Was very important.
	See, in a funny way, they're between a rock and a hard place.
	They have to give disclosure so that people will believe their fake alien invasion.
	Otherwise, they would laugh at it, you see, even though humans are dying.
	Now, Randy Kramer told us that one million Humans would be collateral damage within the United States as a result of this fake alien invasion.
	And as I said then, and I'll say now, is how are you going to have a fake alien invasion without the real aliens coming forward And piping up, taking part, interfering, you know, the good guys, the bad guys, the whole gamut, right?
	So it's highly likely that it's kind of like opening, well, Pandora's box.
	First of all, you can't close it.
	And secondly, You may try to do something for your own purposes, your own devious aims, but at the same time, because the subject matter is so vast as to be all of the beings and all of the universes and all, you know, to widen to unlimited scales, you open Pandora's box literally and
	Anything could come out, and some of it could be to your benefit, and some of it could actually take you down.
	So, it's a really interesting conundrum for them, but they've had to do it because they want to roll out Bluebeam, in my view.
	So, I agree with you there.
	Anything else you want to say?
	Let's look at the rest of the world, because I know you've been focusing on a lot of other things.
	Any sort of thing that in terms of world events, and I do want to mention because I don't think you brought him up, is Obama's chef having died, which is probably a person who was about to become a whistleblower, must have tapped into some very interesting information and is dead.
	Very, very clear.
	Very unequivocal.
	There we go.
	So any thoughts about world events other than Bluebeam and the latest conference that we saw?
	Well, I mean, I was actually going to discuss the Obama chef on the next broadcast that I was able to get onto, and this just so happened to be it.
	And we've seen now some information coming out, right?
	The police report having information completely redacted, not even entered.
	The fact that he was in three feet of water, come on.
	Um, this, this doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened here, right?
	And so there was some information circulating on Twitter, and it's just speculative at this time, but I think it may end up having a basis.
	Um, in other words, it's sort of a rumor that this individual was going to publicly discuss some of the menu and dietary habits of President Obama and some of his colleagues and peers and, you know, elite friends.
	And so we happen to know that a number of these individuals are, um, They're clinically insane and they're cannibals.
	And they actually suffer from disease, right, as a result of that pattern of behavior and that lifestyle.
	Angela Merkel is on camera at a meeting, a ceremonial event, violently shaking with tremors.
	It looked like she had an extremely severe case of Parkinson's.
	She couldn't hold her entire body still.
	Um, and so when we look at things like that and how that could be informing and again, this is speculative, right?
	This is not necessarily confirmed at this time, but the circumstances are.
	Undoubtedly nefarious in nature.
	The response of local law enforcement is corrupt, sort of on its face.
	This sort of individual would have access to a lot of sensitive information because they would be preparing the food that these individuals are consuming, right?
	And so this is, food is a perfect venue for assassination.
	So anyone that's preparing food for you, you obviously have great trust in.
	They're extremely vetted.
	You have, there's a close personal tie there.
	Um, but you know, you and I both know that in this particular deep state mafia, personal ties mean absolutely nothing.
	If you turn or if you're at risk of turning or defecting, they will extinguish you in a heartbeat without question because it's sort of the nature of the beast.
	Um, it's, it's the mafia that you can never leave, right?
	And so these circumstances and then, um, Other chefs that have died or had mysterious parting ways with elites and celebrities and government officials over the last seven to ten years.
	I find it fascinating we're seeing this come with Obama and I find it interesting that we're seeing Obama back in the in the public narrative space quite frankly.
	It's going to be I think a Absolutely.
	into maybe the corruption of the Obama family, the privilege of the Obama family, and his lineage, right, going back to the House of Saud.
	So as we look at this connection, even though it's the chef that's going down, I think it's a significant event.
	And I think it highlights some questions that now we're going to have the mass population witnessing and asking.
	Absolutely.
	Well, I mean, that sounds very hopeful, and I would love it to come forward.
	The only thing I would say about that is is why or how do you think this will happen?
	And that brings me to another question that relates.
	According to Phil Gee, that's I'm going to call him.
	He has a show out there.
	Some people believe him.
	Some don't.
	And he said in a recent show, it was brought to my attention, that seven days, within the seven days right prior to the hearing that happened, that they had done the EBS, they announced the EBS, they put it in motion, and they were stopped by the dark side.
	That is what Phil has said.
	And the idea here is that, according to Phil, they played, the dark side played their last card.
	Now, I don't believe the Dark Side has a last card, personally, but be that as it may, he believes that they played their last card.
	That's the reading he was given, I believe, by the people he is reporting to, which may be the White Hats, according to what he says.
	Have you heard that, and do you think it's because of that that it will happen, and that This information you're now giving is going to come forward because I find it very hard to believe that that information is ever going to see the light of day, but it could.
	You know, I had not heard that.
	And on its face, I mean, I don't know, I would have to research it.
	I can't really offer an opinion or comment on it.
	But I can say that the Niger government in Africa did announce an emergency alert style broadcast.
	They confirmed a successful military coup of the deep state president in that nation.
	Um, it was actually his own presidential guard that placed him under arrest for crimes against the state and the founding documents for that state.
	And so, um, it's possible that we had something like that occur silently and it was shut down or disempowered.
	I would have to research it more.
	I just don't really know.
	As far as last cards, I have my doubts on that particular topic for the exact same reasons I think that you just highlighted.
	We're fighting a Hydra that's 6,000 plus years old.
	They've made it a sort of a lifestyle to stockpile anything and everything that they can.
	They've hoarded anything of value, anything of importance, anything of Superior capability for as long as they've had control, and a couple of brief times in key areas that they didn't have control, they quickly re-established that control.
	You know, we look at the 19th century, for example, and the fact that we had electric driving cars that were pulling electricity out of the ether, and they were able to shut down that entire reality from the history books, and several generations later, we had no idea that that was even a thing.
	So, like you, I don't necessarily believe they have a last card.
	I think they have desperation moves and high-level, what you would call sort of punch-to-the-gut cards or punch-to-the-face cards that don't do them any favors, because unless they have total control of information and narrative in other areas, they're going to awaken the population rather than succeed in whatever nefarious goal they're trying to succeed with.
	I think the problem that we've had in this process so far, and I think President Trump even highlighted this when he gave the speech at the hangar on his way out in January of 2021.
	I don't think it was a speech.
	I think it was a statement where he came out and said that he would be back with us again soon.
	Hopefully it wouldn't take too long.
	And so that impression, when I go back and I look at that video, having lived the last couple of years, I think to myself, well, are we dealing with, or were we dealing with, perhaps a much more entrenched, much more expansive enemy, right?
	Julian Assange says that 98% of all governments everywhere We'll come down if the full status of the corruption the full measure of what they've been concealing and sort of sitting on for generations actually comes out to the people of the world.
	I am cautiously hopeful though and and you know this sort of dovetailing on to the the podcaster you were just referencing in the content he stated I am hopeful that we are sort of establishing an information grid if you will Where some sort of emergency alert could actually go out and bypass the control arm systems if necessary, right?
	We the people are sort of becoming our own news networks.
	We're becoming our own alternative to the the five eyes intelligence surveillance system, which we call our smartphones and our data networks and our technology.
	But at the end of the day, I think that I think that if we're going to have any sort of emergency alert style situation happen, it is going to have to come through in a very powerful manner, and I think it's going to have to come through in an unequivocal way.
	And if we're not in a position to do that at this point, I would say that we still have a little ways to go.
	Okay, my knowledge of this is that they have total capability of doing this based on some of the testimony of 107, who has talked about what is called the SES, and that they basically wrested control of the communications away from the SES, which is the, I don't know if it's called the secret executive service or the something executive, senior executive, or whatever it's called, you know, the SES.
	Are you feeling secret executive service?
	OK, so so that basically he said that unequivocally and they said that a long while ago, actually.
	And there's reason to believe that actually they did that when Trump went.
	Well, this is my way of looking at it.
	Trump went into hiding in NORAD when he basically locked down NORAD.
	There's reason to believe that the real Trump is perhaps, you know, has been in hiding most of the time, coming out on occasion to maybe make an occasional real appearance.
	But I believe, you know, anyone that would have half a brain would see it like that, that Trump has to be protected because their desire to kill him is just so paramount.
	uh but that okay so this situation is obviously just beyond the pale at the moment okay so not even this come this hearing would touch on that they hinted at it's been hinted at okay where with congress making statements like If they think they have a greater, you know, I don't know, power than Congress, they're out of their minds type of thing, right?
	Some of the statements made by some of the Congress people, including Burkett and Luna in their press conference.
	But they were clearly shown the door by a general at a base or wherever, Elgin, Elgin, Elgin, where they supposedly have some alien bodies in hiding and so on.
	So this is what we're dealing with.
	This is the best place we could have come to, as far as I'm concerned, with or without Project Bluebeam, which, as far as I'm concerned, you know, bring it on.
	Um, because I think when you do something like this, like I said, Pandora's box, you're going to bring in all these other things.
	So, um, you know, how good manifests on the planet or God, if you will, if you know how God works, God works through negative, um, activities as well as positive, you know, you get light out of darkness, you know, And even the White Hats like to say, you know, from dark to light.
	So the bottom line here is that, indeed, any amount of disclosures along these lines is heavily leans in favor, I think, of awareness.
	And anytime you get a greater awareness in the population, I think you're headed for good things down the line, regardless of how it happens.
	A positive event, a negative event.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So, I think that we're in a good place.
	I do think that we are waiting to see what is going to happen next.
	I think we're right on the brink now of some major activity.
	Juan did say he thought nothing would happen until the third week or the last week of August.
	I'm not so sure it's going to last that long now, because I think in some ways this conference and what it ended up to be, instead of just a dog and pony whitewash, it actually came to some interesting conclusions, unequivocal conclusions, that could change the course of history.
	And therefore I'm not so sure that they were completely aware of how this was going to play out.
	Any thoughts on that?
	You know, my thoughts on that, I think, are that third or fourth week of August is probably optimistic, right?
	I think we have to look at the events that are also being planned by other nation states who have high-level military intelligence access, like Russia, and this counteroffensive that's supposed to be coming in mid-August.
	What better way to distract from a much larger disclosure than to start a world war?
	So as we look at how this process may play out, I don't think that it's going to take a long time for us to be well underway with significant world-changing events, because now that we've officially broached child trafficking at the organized governmental level with Sound of Freedom, We have broached biological terrorism several times this year.
	Russia now accusing the U.S.
	of manufacturing COVID-19 in Ukraine and then exporting it to Wuhan for release within China.
	The aliens, the UAPs, all of the extraterrestrial discussion that's been going on all year long now being capped off with high-level whistleblowers.
	Tucker Carlson came right out and talked about extraterrestrial life being real on his inaugural Um, Twitter episode, his Tucker on Twitter episode one, which received more than 115 million views.
	And this is an individual who is not known for being conservative, right?
	He's very much a more progressively social individual.
	He's very middle of the line.
	He does, I think, an extremely good job of just kind of Um, saying it for what it is and giving his own personal bent on it but not changing the content of the information and for him to come out and say that, I think it garnered a lot of attention that was not anticipated by either side when we consider this back and forth power struggle.
	Humanity is, I think, primarily good, but we have been incredibly brainwashed, and we are having a difficult time, I think, in some respects, coming back into our own power, but we have to do that if we're going to take back the reins of our nations.
	We've not held the true reins of power, save for a couple of instances in history, in more than 5,000 years.
	We have to come back and be able to do that, and these Drip drips into the much larger space.
	I think there does arrive a point where we have some diminishing returns and we need to consider turning on a larger faucet or pulling a more dramatic series of events or maybe forcing the other side into a more dramatic series of events so that we can get across the finish line in our generation.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Okay, along those lines, I want to draw your attention.
	I've just put my telegram on the screen here, because I released earlier today a piece of information that came to me from one of my sources, but it's a news item, and that is the Japanese are now warning The U.S.
	that a Pearl Harbor style attack from China and Russia could happen.
	I don't know if you saw that item.
	I believe it came out today.
	But at any rate, and I think that's interesting, like the pot calling the kettle black, as they say, where we're talking the very people who created Pearl Harbor at the behest of the United States and Churchill, the UK.
	Uh, is now warning us that we could have another one.
	Are they trying to warn us that they're also going to help with this one?
	Or are they trying to get out from under any kind of blame?
	Uh, being focused on them, uh, this time around is kind of an interesting point of discussion.
	Uh, are you aware of this?
	I am, yes.
	I actually had a chance to look at the article earlier.
	If I'm not mistaken, it's from 2021, but I find it fascinating that it resurfaced at such a time as this when we're talking about Chinese military-aged males pouring into the U.S.
	southern border through trafficking lanes in Central America.
	And we're over there clearly rattling nuclear sabers in the Pacific, clearly irritating the North Koreans, I would venture to say purposefully, because it seems so callously done by parking one of our boomers in a South Korean port.
	We know we have photographic evidence and satellite evidence to show that the Russian Navy has steadily been sending frigates, corvettes, small level warships and destroyers Down from the Kamchatka Peninsula area into the Pacific theater with China running increasingly more aligned, coordinated drills with one another in that area of the world.
	And if your China and your goal is to shock and awe campaign into an island and very quickly capture and control that island, right?
	Because the quicker you capture it, the more efficiently and the more steadily you can defend any sort of attempted recapture against that.
	What better way to do that than to sort of knock the United States out of the fray for a moment with something like a flashbang grenade in the face, right?
	Something that is a surprise.
	It's a distraction.
	It's very shocking.
	It sort of requires all of the attention of the U.S. government, the U.S. military, right?
	And so I believe that it's very possible we see a Pearl Harbor-style event executed by China.
	It would make absolute sense considering that the CCP espionage network has done nothing but infiltrate us for going on four decades at this point.
	Um, and we know that that network works hand in hand with the CIA and other intelligence communities, which all work at the behest of the controllers at the top.
	So it's very likely I think that we see something like that.
	It's very likely that that would coincide with a true kinetic beginning of campaigns in the Pacific.
	We've been talking about Taiwan since September of last year when 45 first came out at a rally and said that China with Taiwan would be next, referencing the Russia-Ukraine war.
	So as we look at how this process unfolds, I think that these events that we're referencing could occur in days.
	Coupled with the disclosure with the UAPs and the risk of nuclear engagement, I think that if there is a white hat military force, that would almost certainly be the time that one would want to intervene.
	Yes, now this is interesting because the person who sent it to me, I didn't see the date, so that's interesting in and of itself, but I would say the person who sent it to me is very knowledgeable of military maneuvers and such and such.
	So they had a targeted reason to send me an article that was, you know, 2021, which may actually be more true now than even when it was written, right?
	This warning from Japan.
	I think that's fascinating.
	Maybe they know something we don't know about an escalation on that level.
	And I agree with you.
	I know that Trump made some comments about North Korea today, I think it was.
	So that's kind of interesting.
	In other words, North Korea has been sort of out of the news for, I think, a lot of the time.
	The focus has gone over to Ukraine.
	That part of Europe, and certainly some to some degree a bit of Taiwan, but I think you're right.
	Actually, I have a whole theory about Taiwan, but not to say that I think I'm right or anything, but I think it's very important to realize is that.
	The positioning of Cuba, so I don't know whether you're kind of touching on this or you are hinting about this, but as you may know, Juan 07 has been talking about the positioning of China in Cuba.
	And that a Cuban missile crisis, you know, that leads you down that road that he's been predicting for like at least two years.
	So what that does is that according to Juan, he's saying because Cuba is right off our shore and Taiwan is right off The Chinese, sure, that they're the same thing, and therefore, if they want to hassle us about one, they're going to go into the other, you know what I'm saying?
	So this is kind of an interesting standoff position.
	I do think that there is a drive for China to take the technology and the advancement, because they are in charge of the The chip and I forget what it's called.
	You know what I mean by the chip, right?
	My conductor chip industry is all correct is primarily we're dependent actually on Taiwan and many countries are for that technology.
	But I think there's a drive to actually bring that into the greater Island.
	I mean, you know to China.
	Um, so I think they can do that.
	And I think they can do that by, um, invading Taiwan from underground.
	Um, and they may have already done it for all we know.
	We just don't know really what's going on there.
	Um, so they could have an above ground dog and pony show going on while they basically are commandeering all the technology and the people working for that in that technology.
	Into their mainland.
	So I think something of that nature might occur.
	I think that's very possible.
	Um, I did a Google Earth search towards the end of last year, somewhere around December, maybe first, maybe first of this year, January area.
	And what I saw in that area of the world on the Google Earth pictures were what appeared to be ships very, very close to the Taiwanese Island.
	And when I pulled up lists of ships in the Chinese Navy and pulled up images of those on Google, I couldn't find anything that matched.
	Now, to be fair, I couldn't find anything that directly matched any of the Chinese Navy.
	either.
	And we know that the deep state has many unclaimed, unreported naval vessels and assets all around the world.
	But I found it interesting that it didn't seem to match anyone very specifically, but it was right offshore.
	So I think that there's been something going on in that area of the world ever since we saw Pelosi take that sort of very weird, awkward trip over there in Q4 of last year and during a time where Xi was very, excuse me, not Xi, but one of the ministers in China was being very loud about, but one of the ministers in China was being very loud about, you know, don't send your representatives This is an internal Chinese matter, the one China policy, all of that sort of thing, right?
	And so I think that there were some deals made, to be perfectly frank, in those talks and those discussions, or at the very least, some deals offered.
	And...
	And as we look at this process, I agree with you.
	I think that what happens at the surface level in Taiwan will occur probably after the main events have already happened outside of the surface level.
	We know that a lot of BSL Level 4 labs are underground on that island and beneath that island, and we have to eliminate those very carefully or we run the risk of contaminating our world's oceans.
	Yeah, my information regarding Taiwan comes from two places.
	They may have already be occurring.
	I don't know.
	That would just be speculation.
	But the surface events, I think, will happen at the conclusion of any sort of dark operations or special warfare operations.
	And I think we have circumstantial evidence to show that some of those have been occurring already.
	Yeah, my information regarding Taiwan comes from two places.
	One, my intuition and intuitive downloads.
	And two, the Courtney Brown remote viewers who have remote viewed specifically Xi in relation to Taiwan and come up with some very interesting viewings indicating that he's kind of between a rock and a hard place, the Courtney Brown remote viewers who have remote viewed specifically Xi in relation Has to do something.
	But what he does may not bring him the fruits that he wished.
	That's at least their conclusions and I'm being very general but you can go watch there's a whole video about it and quite a fascinating viewing really of this individual who is actually towing a line between light and dark and not quite sure where he wants to put himself.
	Incredible.
	And I think that that's probably true of a lot of people in this war, right?
	I mean, for the first time ever, if they were on the dark side, they have a choice.
	And that's got to be a strange position for individuals that were brought into it as children or that maybe grew up in it and have never known anything different.
	And I think it is worth, you know, if we highlight the fact that it's about the Great Awakening at the end of the day and breaking free from the Matrix, I don't think we can break free, you know, unless we take as many of us as we can.
	And we may have some very helpful individuals on the other side of the fence that are willing to come forward and say, look, you know, I never bargained for this.
	This wasn't what I wanted.
	This wasn't what I understood was going to be the case, but it really is.
	And here's all of the proof you need.
	Um, I think we're seeing that happening, you know, en masse around the world, right?
	Different courts in Germany and the UK and North America holding whistleblower, um, accounts and lawsuits coming out with, you know, Prince Andrew and JP Morgan paying almost $300 million with Epstein.
	And everyone knows that there's a reason they paid that.
	Um, and so, you know, it's sort of, I think we're off to the races, if you will, in some respects, and the more help that we can get the better off.
	I think we all are, because at the end of the day, and I like how you point this out on your broadcasts more than others, it really is a very serious war that we're in, and we really only have one shot at this.
	We're in an information age.
	We're at a point, I think, in the history of the United States where our conditions are destabilized enough that we could wrest back control.
	But it's going to take a clear understanding.
	It's going to take a little bit more than some of the whitewashing we've had along the way.
	I do believe that.
	And I do believe that we're going to have to have a larger stream of information coming in a short order in order to get us anywhere of significance by the end of this year or even 2024.
	Right.
	OK, now, in terms of that, and I'm going to let you go very shortly here, but I just have one last question because you brought up 2024.
	What are your personal points of view in terms of two things?
	One, a so-called event that could happen during that time that would involve some kind of earth changes.
	I don't know if you want to call it Planet X derived or other reasons or solar flare from the sun or anything that could happen during 2024.
	And do you think that the 24 election will happen?
	You know, it would just be speculation, but based on the pay at the kinetic surface level and in the narrative level, and now we're starting to introduce the big issues.
	I think that big responses can be the only things to be expected from the other side.
	We know the other side is pushing the CBDC decent or excuse me, centralized finance system very hard.
	They're working overtime to crash the US dollar.
	You know, I choose to believe that that is a positive thing, but I acknowledge as well that it is a necessary component for them to roll out their agenda also, so it could go either way, right?
	As we look at the military operations expanding throughout the world, it's increasingly looking like NATO is going to become involved, which means the United States and other very large powers could potentially become involved in a World War III style event.
	There are high power, highly capable weapons in today's world that we all know about and even more so that we don't know about.
	And so I'm looking at this and I'm thinking back to the Q drops because I try to draw a fair amount of my interpretive lens from that what I believe to be a military intelligence operation online.
	And Q says a couple of times that a scare event is necessary and that a blackout is necessary.
	And a scare event, I think for when we're talking about humankind, I think that can't be just one singular thing.
	I think it would have to be a cascade.
	And I look at this and I think to myself, if we're talking about a cascade of events that are so large in stature and sort of broad in scope and effect that they can rebalance power structures all around the world, things like the Pandemic Preparedness and Response Treaty, the United Nations attempting to authorize these emergency powers, right, where they just apprehend
	All of the governing authority and member states at their whim, they decide when the emergency is and then they appoint themselves as the arbiters for the emergency.
	And so I think it's very possible we see some sort of rejection of this globalist system at a federal military level and a state civilian legislature level here in the United States.
	Maybe a prelude to what could become a U.S.
	Civil War, right?
	Where If there are good actors within a military alliance, we would have to, in those moments, sort of announce that we're taking temporary control, just as what has happened in Niger recently.
	The military came out.
	They were very calm.
	They stated that this was a coup.
	They made no bones about it.
	They stated why it was a coup, the WEF connections, and things of this nature, and essentially told the public to stand by for further information, and we haven't had further information yet.
	So I think something like that happens between now and the 2024 election.
	And I think it is very possible that we have a short period of time, maybe four to six months, where an interim government composed of the last lawfully elected representatives within the Congress of the United States and the state legislatures of the United States and our military would have the data processing capacity to know that and to know who those individuals were.
	I think we could have an interim government period where we have civilian military cooperation and we transfer that power back to the people with the elections of 2024.
	It would be symbolic with the history regarding the British Parliament and Guy Fawkes and the Guy Fawkes Day that they celebrate in the United Kingdom.
	We've witnessed a lot of the same plot playing out in the last couple of years as the popular culture film V for Vendetta.
	And one of the things that we've not arrived to yet is the transfer of power back to the people in that particular film, which is sort of happens with fireworks, actually, to tell you the truth.
	So the parallel is there in that regards as well.
	So this again, this is just speculation.
	But I think that the date, November the 5th of 2024, Trump calling 2024 the final battle, Nostradamus prophecies referencing the last half of 2023 being as close to the apocalypse as humankind will come in this in this age.
	I think that this is a fascinating you know sort of dovetailing of all of these things and I really don't know Carrie but I know that we're going to be in for a tough ride And I know that, or I'm hopeful I should say, I don't know, but I'm hopeful that on the other side of this ride we will have a much more ignited fervor as one we the people to begin talking about the issues that really, really matter.
	OK, well, that's fun.
	It's fun to hear some of your thoughts about, you know, what could happen and how you how you tend to see it.
	So that that's very interesting.
	All right.
	Well, I think, you know, this has been a good discussion.
	I hope people have enjoyed it.
	And I you know, I hope you've enjoyed it.
	Is there any parting remarks you want to make?
	You know, nothing in particular except to say that because we're now seeing some of this level of disclosure taken to the mainstream or the alternate mainstream space.
	And, you know, we have other individuals like Tucker and investigative journalists at the Russia Summit just recently out of South Africa discussing de-dollarization around the world.
	I think that we're on pace for An acceleration of events, a noticeable acceleration of events and you know I try to keep the faith out there but at the end of the day remember to use your what I would call your lying eyes right and your best sense and your intuition and always research things for yourself.
	It's a disinformation war but hopefully on the other side of this we can finally establish perhaps for the first time ever in our history what really is true about our world.
	Yes, for sure.
	I think that has to be a byproduct at the very least, even though I'd like people to lead with it.
	But yeah, thank you for being here and for sharing your insights.
	So, you know, I guess to the journey and onward and upward.

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