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June 22, 2023 - Project Camelot
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JOACHIM HAGOPIAN: EXPERT, AUTHOR: HUMAN TRAFFICKING
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So, okay.
Hi everyone, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here today.
So, I have Joaquin Hagopian with me and he is a former army officer.
Graduate of West Point.
He is, I think, a pretty prolific author and he's also writing articles on his website, also available on James Spetzer's website.
So, he's been, he's written a book that I think it got a lot of notice out there about human trafficking.
And so we're going to talk about all the subjects that he likes to cover and get more about his background.
So welcome, Joaquin.
Good to be here, Carrie.
OK, so can you give us more of an introduction than that?
Tell us a bit more about yourself.
Sure.
Yeah, I did a stint in the military following my father's footsteps, who did 20 years on submarines during World War II, Korean Wars.
And as a patriot, you know, that's what I was supposed to do, serve my country.
But I found out I'm not quite the military warrior of my father's legacy, and I am a warrior, but not this military kind.
I am more inclined to be a spiritual warrior for truth and justice.
That is my big thing.
And so after the military, I moved on to Basically, go back to school and get a degree in psychology, a master's degree in psychology, and ended up in Los Angeles, California, working as a marriage family therapist for many decades, working primarily with youth.
Children and minors under 18.
And of course, I had to deal with a lot of their abuse of all kinds.
So it gave me the sensitivity and the experience and the background.
Later on, when I finally left the mental health field, and what a broken system we got there.
Terrible.
I ended up moving into journalism and ended up writing five books called Satan, Sodomy, and the Deep State Pedophilian Empire, semicolon.
And so then I also embarked on a career as a journalist and began writing a lot for BlueRockwell.com and Global Research, and now I'm pretty much doing all my articles on JamesHFetzer.org.
And so I've pretty much been doing that for the last 10 years now.
And, you know, I mean, so much has happened.
You can't even keep up with all the crap going down every single day now.
I've never seen it like this before.
We're headed towards something.
So anyway, that's a little bit of my background, Kerry.
Okay, very good.
And I do want to get into your sort of book, which I guess it's more than one book, so it's a set of books?
Yes, five of them.
All right, but before we do that, do you want to give me any kind of take on what's happening?
Any intel you might have come across?
You know, there has been a lot of movement of the military across the United States today and last few days, so I reported on that.
I don't know how much you've seen of my work, but I do, you know, report on a lot of stuff and I post to my website and to my Telegram channel.
So, What's your take on just recent events, if you'd like to cover some stuff?
Yeah, well, I mean, Hal Turner, who's a former Intel operative, has a lot of access, and he put all kinds of videos in the last several days on his site.
Explaining and showing basically all the military activity and it's pretty evident that it's more than usual.
A lot of the naysayers say, oh this kind of stuff always goes on.
No, it doesn't.
Not with the concentrated density that we're seeing at these days.
It's leading to something, and a lot of us on the internet are speculators, always thinking in terms of, okay, what are they up to?
And, you know, I've come up with several possible alternatives.
One of them is that It could go either way.
I mean, you know, you hear about the White Hats, and I have my doubts.
We've gone around in a circle with that whole issue, and I guess we can talk about it now, too.
Personally, I think, yes, I know that there are White Hats in the military.
There are, and I'd like to believe that Trump is one of them.
I'm not certain, but I would like to, obviously.
But my beep has always been, we need to—and I know that you, from time to time, have also voiced a concern.
We're witnessing the end of America.
Basically, Biden's job was to finish the job from within to break down and destroy America and I have to say he's following the orders from his, you know, puppet masters and doing a good job because we have seen so much destruction in America and so My complaint is they need to come out.
I understand the laws of war and you can't give away your next move and all that to the enemy, but before America is lost, we have to see some kind of visible confirmation that there are White Hats and, okay, they've been working behind the scenes.
Well, at some point, we need to start seeing arrests and start seeing military tribunals, etc.
And so it could be we're being led to that endgame where we actually do see some concrete evidence surfacing.
And of course, obviously, that is my hope.
But then you can interpret it in other ways where all this military activity is kind of setting up the stage for perhaps some kind of false flag, you know, where they declare a national emergency and.
And basically, as people can't draw money from their bank accounts, and maybe they can't even pump gas, and can't get money from their versatile machine at the banks, and the banks are going through all kinds of cyber warfare right now.
Also, that's been accompanied by all this military movement.
So, it could be leading to some kind of emergency crisis, and we're suddenly in lockdown, and And basically, the deep state, the wrong side, our enemy, then comes in and, you know, the worst case scenario would be, you know, they start doing roundups of all the dissenters, you know, they're tracking us on every category.
And obviously, We have a supposed imposter in the Biden who basically has declared war against anybody who disagrees with him.
You know, he is a dictator, and anybody that doesn't like that and wants to basically restore our constitutional republic rights as human rights, they're the enemy in the leftist Democrat, you know, eyes.
And so it could go that way, too.
So, you know, it's like a toss-up.
I'm like with bated breath waiting what's going to happen here.
And I don't suspect that millions of us out there are kind of in anticipation now of what's going to happen next.
Yes, okay, well that's a fair enough overview of what's happening.
So let me ask you because you have a very interesting background having been an army officer and you said you also exposed some kind of false, I don't know what you call it, hierarchy or hiring promotion thing that was going on in the military that wasn't legit.
And I know we don't necessarily have to go down there in a lot of detail, but it gives you a different perspective than your average person on what's happening.
And you also must have been party to a lot of secrecy in the military and seen how that operates.
I don't know if you became aware while you were in the military that there was actually a split
You mentioned that you knew there were military white hats and arguably Robert Davis Steele even though he was CIA was a white hat because he was good friends with 107 so one would suppose he was and plus he was doing a lot to try to awaken people right with his website his analysis of books and various things and I interviewed him a number of times As well.
So, what's your take in just using your background and maybe throwing in a little bit about something you exposed while you were in the military, if you're willing to talk about that at all?
Sure.
Yeah, okay.
Well, I mostly focus, I mean, I've done many articles on I'm David Petraeus, who was a commanding general of both wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and then became the CIA director until he was exposed for having an affair with another West Point graduate 20 years younger.
And he is the prototype of the Bureaucratic politician general that punches his ticket, says the right words, ingratiates himself to his superior officers, and rises up through the seniority ranks to end up in a political position as a general.
And anyway, he, and then, you know, I would, I ended up By weird circumstance, the assistant leader of our current U.S.
Secretary of Defense, Lloyd Austin III.
So I know him, or knew him, way back when.
He was a freshman when I was a junior at West Point.
I knew him, and I did not believe in the fourth class system.
That's where they haze you.
And they say that basically, in order to be a good leader, you have to become a good follower first.
And so they put you through all these hazing rituals.
To me, it's like, this is not the way to basically develop leadership.
No!
It's a total humiliation game.
And, you know, I had the guy that lived next door to me in my barracks.
They hazed him so much, he went on emergency leave and shot himself.
You know, so this is the insanity that they train these leaders that end up becoming these generals in all these American wars we're in, for Israel no less.
And so it's just a foul system of the ass kissers rising to the top that play the game, you know?
I mean, it's this way in politics, it's this way in education, it's this way in the corporate world.
Pretty much every single institutional domain you go down, there is a system by which psychopaths are rewarded.
And it breeds psychopaths.
And so this is my experience of the military, starting at West Point and continuing as an officer.
It's just the wrong way, and you get these people that are in charge, supposedly, quote.
And of course, we know that the civilians, the president and all that, they pretty much are the ones that Dictate the policy, the foreign policy, and whether we go to war or not.
And Kissinger himself made a very negative opinion of generals and military officers.
And he comes out with the truth a lot of the times all through his hundred years now.
But he looked very much derogatorily down on, you know, there are good leaders in the military.
Once in a while, you see one rise up and become a general, but it's very rare.
One of the West Point guys that I went to school with, that I actually am proud to say, okay, I went to school with this guy, and you may know of him, he's getting a lot of attention now, and that's Douglas McGregor.
Have you ever heard of him?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
He was a colonel for many years and fought in the 1991 war in the Middle East.
And he is an analyst now.
And his perspective on Ukraine war, I follow all the things that whenever he's on a video, I follow what he says, because he has a lot of the inside what's going on right now on the ground.
So, anyway, I look upon him as the kind of leader that West Point should be churning out, but I don't see, because, and of course, note that he only rose to the point of being a colonel, not a general.
He did not get promoted up to that status.
And there's a reason for it, because all of them, virtually, are these ass-kissing followers that just do what they're told.
Okay, okay, fair enough.
So, in light of that, in light of, I guess you know the Ukraine war, and you know that the whole Kazarian Mafia, the idea that what we really have in Ukraine fighting the war are Nazis, and that the NATO is basically
Baiting and has been baiting Putin for you know years now, but especially when the war started when they wanted to put Missiles near you know basically make well the bid was to make Ukraine part of NATO and to put missiles on the borders of Russia obviously no leader would stand for that but Since then Putin has been seen as an aggressor.
I believe he is working.
This is my view based on my investigations, that he is working with the White Hats to expose human trafficking, the bio labs underground in Ukraine, and to basically take back control of Ukraine away from the Kazarian mafia and Nazis who are, you know, and to basically take back control of Ukraine away from the Kazarian mafia and Nazis who are, you I mean, so I'm sure you know all of this.
I've written extensively about all of this.
Yeah.
Okay.
And I share your opinion of Putin.
I think I have reservations.
I mean, originally he was put in power by the City of London and Kissinger and associates.
They groomed him.
But That isn't to say, though, that at some point, you know, he saw where the West was going and where globalism was taking its ugly head and really putting us into the mire and broke off with it and, you know, is opposing it now.
And obviously, I mean, the demons that are in charge of the United States government and the Western governments in general, they demonize Putin.
And there's good reason for it, because he is, I think, a good guy breaking away.
I mean, if you listen to All the things that he speaks of, all the things that he writes about, he's a very wise leader and he's the only one in this whole wide world that makes a lot of sense.
Everything he says and does makes sense.
So if you get this bias brainwash about him being the next Hitler and all this kind of You know, fear porn bullshit to propagandize.
Then you realize, you know, he actually might be a good force for good.
He might be actually a white hat.
So yeah, I share that.
And then the whole, as you alluded to, how the West has been just the total aggressor, just trying to provoke, provoke, always jabbing the bear, you know?
Yeah.
Wanting the bear to react so that they can go World War III, you know?
I've been writing about this for over a year now, how we're creeping closer and closer, and it's all the West.
It's all the—and basically, when I talk about the West, the West, of course, we all know are puppets.
These are Biden and, you know, they're all puppets.
So, and they're all being dictated to by the City of London, Rothschild, Rockefeller, all of these bloodlines that have been in control forever.
So yeah, that's where we're at.
We're at the precipice.
Okay, and Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum and all that, because I know that Klaus Schwab has had a lot of... He actually invited Zelensky to come address the World Economic Forum, and that was the beginning of what was going to become the Ukraine war.
And the deal between them, I don't know if you paid attention to this back in the day, but supposedly was that Zelensky had agreed that The surface of Ukraine would be decimated so that they could then rebuild with smart cities and all this craziness, right?
So he had a vested interest, Zelensky, in seeing his country destroyed, in essence, and taken over by what we know of as the New World Order.
So that's the game.
Now, Taiwan It's on the horizon at the moment that, you know, they're saying, even Wan is saying, you know, that Xi, and I know some people say Xi is sort of part of what loosely is called the alliance, but there is also something about Xi that seems to be working both sides.
So at any rate, the idea that China has its sights set on Taiwan, that they want to take Control of it.
And of course they're the biggest manufacturer of these special chips and the semiconductor industry.
And there's thoughts that they may want to roll that into mainland China as opposed to leaving it out on the periphery there, where the United States has pledged all these years to defend Taiwan against China.
So we're kind of set up for a war-type situation there to kick off.
Have you been covering that, and do you have any thoughts?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, just recently, Antony Blinken, Secretary of State, actually paid homage to Xi Jinping by actually going to Beijing and meeting with him for a couple of days earlier this week.
It just happened.
And actually, I see that as a positive.
I don't see much in the way of Blinken as positive.
However, Because he does definitely represent the New World Order, and he's a total liar.
But I see it as positive in that he's trying to diffuse some of the tensions and hostilities and conflicts that have been soaring as of the last few months over the whole Taiwan business.
And we do we being the United States government does have a one China policy.
I mean, they, they haven't Biden has actually said, yeah, I'm going to put troops on the ground if they dare attack Taiwan.
Yep.
Well, GIs are going over there and doing their thing.
You know, I mean, he's been very, very warmongering.
And so the tensions have increased to the point where, yeah, we're on the brink, just like we're on the brink with NATO and Putin.
So, I saw that as positive, though, in that I think there can be, and there have been back channels, let's face it, there have been back channels between the government of Taiwan and the government of China all along to do it in a peaceful way.
I mean, After all, if you do a little bit of history, I mean, we have North and South Vietnam, we have North and South Korea, we have, you know, the Taiwan and the China, and basically the NATO, the West, and all of this after World War II, anti-communist, they focused
on all these countries splitting them into you're either with us or against us and so it's it's been the western imperialism that's even broken up one people and many two countries that are enemies and we've done it all over the world it's the east germany western there's another one so i mean it's wrong for them to have a separate we hate them even though we have family members who are them you know it's crazy so
But what we're hoping for, obviously, is that Taiwan has enjoyed some of the Western ways of they have a little more freedom, certainly a lot more freedom, actually, than they do in China.
And unfortunately, the New World Order looks to China for the social model with its social credit scores and Tight-fisted system.
You speak out of line, and they take you away.
I mean, that's the... there's no human rights in China.
It's really bad.
And of course, they engage in ethnic purging and religious purge with a belonging of religious group.
I mean, it's pretty bad.
And so we're hoping, obviously, when there is unification, and I think it will take place, and I hope to God, obviously, we don't go to war over it, but I think I see it as happening, maybe in the next year, two years, maybe sooner even.
But I think it's going to happen.
And I hope to God, obviously, it's not war, because if it is, we might have World War Three on two fronts, the Western Front in Europe and the Eastern Front there in Pacific Asia.
Right.
Well, at least according to 107 on a recent interview he did with Nino, he was talking about his contacts, I guess, in Taiwan and maybe even in China.
I don't know.
But saying that it looks like they are going to push the war thing, that China is now saying the CCP part of China.
Are now saying that that by the Biden show, as I call it, the Biden show is up in 90 to 180 days.
That would be, you know, either September or December being the cutoff date and what they are planning.
And they put, you know, if you follow the voter steal, the steal of our election and Radcliffe and the whole nine yards with that, then you know that the CCP was instrumental in the steal of our election, along with the Vatican satellites and, you know, the safe house in Germany and Gina Haskell and the whole thing.
So and Juan and MI6 was a big part of that as well, strangely.
So.
We're looking at, all of this is about a takeover of the United States.
I mean, bottom line, okay?
And weakening the United States also by putting us at war on these different fronts.
I mean, one could argue that we have no business being in Ukraine at all.
That that's just, you know, that we're fighting a war for NATO.
NATO is a new world order concoction and no longer even makes sense if you think about what it's all about.
One minute they wanted Turkey, the next minute they don't want Turkey, the next minute they want all the different northern countries.
They want to be part of them and of course that's going to provoke the Soviet Union, now Russia, and so on.
It's a mess, I guess you just want to say.
And then, of course, Israel is playing a part.
And there is a direct link up, has to be, between the Ukrainian war and the Khazarian mafia who have taken over Israel and even taken over sort of the... I don't know whether it's the rabbis themselves or just the religion or what, you know, what they're... But I do know that, for example,
And you probably followed this because you have written so extensively on human trafficking, child trafficking, and you must, you know, I haven't read your books and I apologize for that, but blood sacrifice and the role of blood sacrifice in and with The Khazarian Mafia and the religions that back that up through the centuries, going way back to the time of Sumer and so on.
And I have done some investigation associated with a place, an ancient site called Gobekli Tepe.
In Turkey that you may know of where the Tigris and Euphrates actually that's where they connect and there are secret societies that even today are still active in those mountains that involve Child sacrifice.
And one of the things that they have not released, but in case you've never heard of this, just saying, that they found tons of little children's skulls hidden in the ground under Gobekli Tepe.
So that was a major sacrifice site, even that ancient site, coming up through the ages.
So just saying.
It's also Also seems to have been a genetic engineering of humanity, things going on of that nature there too.
These are kind of overview points to just kind of bring in if you wish.
I would like you to talk about your books, why you started writing and how much pushback you got because you're dealing with a subject that now more and more it's coming forward, but you know it's been hidden.
And this is actually kind of the, it's the fulcrum of the White Hats effort.
if nothing else, you know what I'm saying?
This is what they concentrated on.
This is when Trump got into power signing, like I think the first thing he had signed was to make it very difficult for these traffickers to continue and so on. - Yeah.
Well, what got me into that whole realm, first of all, I had the psychological background as a therapist working with abused children.
Many of them were victims of pedophilia.
And I, as a journalist, was focusing a lot on the Epstein case, the Epstein-Maxwell operation, sexual blackmail entrapment operation, and also, at the time, Pizzagate, the Clinton connection to both Epstein as well as the Haiti situation, Laura Sillsby bringing 33 kids across the border.
And, you know, going right back into Washington, D.C., and all the missing kids in that area.
And, you know, right, basically, at the time of the 2016 election, it was very hot.
And that whole topic of Pizzagate.
So I was writing very extensively as a journalist about all this, and then I was approached by, first by James Spetzer, who we were on Veterans Today as contributors to that website, and I knew him for quite a few years.
And then I was also approached by Robert David Steele, and I knew him as well prior to that.
And They both, based on my output with the articles exposing the pedophilia, suggested that I write the book on the topic.
Nothing had ever really been done to try and put it all in one place, in one single source.
So that was like around May of 2017, quite a long time ago now, and it took me four years and three months to write the five books.
It just got bigger and bigger.
I thought it would maybe take a year, one book a year, and just expanded into all of that.
You know, I mean, it's so widespread, and it's been going on now for many, many decades.
And obviously, there's an ancient occult connection to it, too, with the whole blood sacrifice ritual aspect of it.
I've written extensively on—in fact, that's my angle.
All my writing has to do with the powers that are in control on this earth.
So I'm constantly exploring, whether we're talking about the topic of child sex trafficking, or the topic of any kind of political, military situation.
It's all very much interrelated because the same perpetrators are doing it to us.
And I've also written extensively with this topic of genocide.
We're now experiencing human genocide with the pandemic and the kill shots and the millions going down from that, still going down.
I mean, it's all integrated into A handful of... I don't even think they're human.
I think they actually have... they're a hybrid of the Nephilim and, you know, you can go back into the Bible and the Giants and all of this.
They're part... they don't have the human blood and are completely psychopathic.
That isn't to say that every Rothschild or every person in the, quote, Windsor family, that German family, really, is, you know, New World Order, evil, Satan, you know, not everybody.
You can't, that's one thing you can't do.
With anything, you can't take a topic or a group and say, oh, this is the way they are.
Yeah, okay, you can say probably a majority of them are this way.
That's how far you can go.
But anyway, with that little caveat, I will say, That I then, you know, was approached by the very people that I respect, James Spetzer and Robert David Steele.
And so I gladly said, yeah, that's a perfect idea to write the book on all this and expose it all.
Because I figured, If there's, I mean, we all know that the system is so corrupt, it's like one ear and out the other, if you talk about the corruption in the system.
I mean, everybody knows this, and everybody's known it for many decades.
So that does nothing to people, you know, as far as, you know, impacting them.
But I figure, The way to impact people to get off their butts and become activists is the whole issue of protecting our children, which I have to say, humans have done a very poor job protecting children.
It's a mess.
It's a horrible mess that makes you cry.
And I've cried many tears over all of this.
I mean, four years and three months in the trenches of just uncovering the muck, the evil stuff going on.
You know, and it's all the highest echelons that are pulling all the strings.
They are basically the overlords of the pedophilia network on this earth, this scourge that's been going on for so many centuries.
is the overlords the bloodline families they're the ones behind it all war children being raped it's all you know they're doing they are our enemy okay now i i want to ask you though because i was sort of setting the scene a little bit with the gobekli tepe
example, and the idea that what we're talking about even goes back to the Middle East, and to the idea of child sacrifice to the gods, or to God, or whoever, you know, and Moloch, or whoever they're currently worshiping.
And the idea here that it's also, it's kind of, it's a hidden, even in the Middle East, and also in the Far East, You know, where old men marry young girls, right?
I mean, I'm talking young girls below the age of 13 even, okay?
So, and that's customary.
That's not like a rare thing.
That was actually the way of that area of the world okay so I think whereas you're talking about the Illuminati and that's absolutely true they took it on as they took it like to another level okay if you will using their occult you know idea of blood sacrifice and all that and then of course it got into the whole Hollywood and
adrenochrome, you know, system, I call it the adrenochrome highway, and, and got, you know, and became even worse, like commercialized, if such an insane idea is possible.
So, and, and not only that, but as an officer, again, in the army, and having known Robert David Steele, you would also know the intelligence, you know, how much the intelligence agencies are also involved how much the intelligence agencies are also involved in
in the background in this stuff and that it's so it's it's like three things you know it's the three major i call it the triumvirate of um you know evil basically uh which we're talking you know human sacrifice child sacrifice um but gun running and then drug running so those are the three channels by which even
What I investigate a lot, which is a secret space program, how they funded their efforts, okay?
And how a lot of these elite also fund their efforts using these ways.
And Epstein is a prime example, and you may have uncovered some very interesting aspects of that.
That I also would like to hear about.
In other words, because he was involved in, for example, there's a ranch in New Mexico that has a train that goes straight to Dulcey, you know, and and and in theory, there's a, you know, the alien.
Well, for.
My knowledge.
And this is this, you know, Dulcy is run by the CIA and aliens.
OK.
And the aliens feed off of this stuff, what we call Lucian and the glandular stuff from humans and all this.
So the sacrifice.
Actually has a, when I say a adrenochrome highway, there are many uses, like by these off-worlders, as well as the ones who came into this, like the Bush dynasty, which has, you know, they said you can never look at their DNA because it's all, you know, it's heavily reptilian, okay?
And that is a problem with humanity as well.
So I know I'm throwing a lot of things at you right here that I believe could be in your books.
And could you put that together in a way that, you know, because I think it's not enough to just say, okay, it's the elites.
They're, you know, fucked up.
It's, you know, if you can, you've obviously written four or five books on the matter.
Can you get into maybe the trail that you followed and how it emerged for you?
Yeah.
Well, basically, children are a commodity by these entities that we call our leaders, the puppet leaders, and then their overlords.
And, you know, with the whole world child sex trafficking network, they have been used for entrapment purposes.
They target, obviously, the political leaders, the puppets, They target Hollywood figures because they are influencers, and they target corporate world CEOs and those types as well, and that way they have complete mastery over all their puppets to do the bidding of these
Controllers and so that I mean, that's the main thrust of how it has flourished the system of child sex trafficking has flourished over the and increasingly so over the decades up to now.
It's only gotten bigger and bigger and bigger.
I mean, they say $32 billion.
It's way more than that, that they make off of the black operations of the child sex trafficking.
It's way more than $32 billion.
And it's also overtaken drugs.
You can take a drug and it's gone.
You use a children many times each 24 hour day and you use them up.
Their expiration date is basically two years in my research.
They last two years before they're dead.
And then they clean them out with their organs.
They actually are this evil that they use it up completely.
So maximize their profit.
This is the way it's done.
And it was exposed in Ukraine.
Ukraine has been a hub, the European hub of, you know, it's like the pathway from the East to the West, you know, it's the Silk Road pathway into Europe.
And And it's been a center, an epicenter of Europe for child sex trafficking, human trafficking, drug trafficking, and huge in arms.
And that's one thing.
With all the arms that the West has sent over, military weapon with, you know, most of it never ends up on the battlefield in Ukraine.
Most of it is sold on the black market.
And CBS even came out with that last August.
So that is one organized crime activity that's still huge.
But since the military incursion by the special operation in Russia in Ukraine, the child sex trafficking has dropped off considerably.
Now, in war zones, they've always been, because so many millions of people, thousands are displaced, they're easy game for the gangs that then hijack these poor kids.
Sometimes they even, you know, if the parents are so destitute, sometimes even it happens where they pay money and then for pennies they get the kid and end up trafficking them.
And so that's been the case.
There have been cases in Ukraine where they have been busted for basically using these kids up and then taking their organs.
It's been a huge business.
Now, obviously, the military of Russia has had an impact on that, and I would venture to say that it's cut quite a bit off.
In fact, I would say, and this is how it relates basically to the puppet masters who run the banks, the banking system.
I mean, The Rothschild et al have planned their Great Reset, where the economy, the financial banking infrastructure, all of this collapses.
They've had planned that many years in advance.
What I don't think they have planned is their black operations through child sex trafficking and drugs and all the rest.
It's been pretty much almost eradicated in Ukraine, which was the hub.
They were generating trillions of dollars over the years.
Even Senator Obama back in 2006 had a big say in the bioweapons defense department funded bioweapons that are labs all over the Taiwan and Ukraine big.
And they've been using the black ops for trillions of dollars generated.
These are the big banks, the ones that money launder all the sex trafficking activity.
And so with that money cut off in Ukraine, it has caused, especially in Europe, The big Rothschild banks of Europe are going down.
They're insolvent.
And you can see a parallel process in America.
However, there is a big difference now.
We have a wide open southern border, because Biden does what he's told, and the sex trafficking from Central and South America to America is booming like never before.
And so, there is a lot of money still being made with child sex trafficking in the Western Hemisphere, unfortunately, because we have puppets in charge.
Well, let me also introduce this idea that it may have moved from Ukraine, but I think, you know, when you look at a market situation, if it goes down in one place, it may go way up in another, and you're suggesting that it isn't.
It is obviously because of our southern border gone up in America, but it's also gone up.
I believe in the Far East and China Taiwan and other countries.
I would venture to say I don't know, you know the details but I would guess even because again, we're also talking about a culture that has also promoted this with the geishas who started a very young age and Human and child trafficking has been a big part of the Far East, and they're part of the Silk Road as well.
So I just don't want to ignore that area.
You know, it may not be the focus of your research.
I don't know, but just I did a chapter on China, child sex abuse as well, and yeah, they're very guilty of being part of this whole operation.
Yeah, it is totally global, so obviously if it goes down in Ukraine where, you know, it's cut off that revenue, it's going to get picked up somewhere else.
And yes, India, Taiwan, Burma, Thailand, all of these countries, Indonesia, all of these countries are victims where children are being snatched in this global operation.
So yeah, it's going on big time all over.
And as I said, trillions are being made off it.
And I would venture to say if we took, if we cut it all off where global child sex trafficking did not happen, the banks would go out of business.
The whole world structure would be not able to function.
And I hope that that is where we're going.
There are White House, and we haven't touched on this, but Gene the Code gets into a lot of the underground activity because it's a whole other world, subterranean world of tunnels and deep underground military bases subterranean world of tunnels and deep underground military bases where the worst kind of stuff goes on.
And there's the black operations all.
You know, all over the world, uh, in the underground bases.
And so, and yes, the White Hats have been taking them out.
All those, uh, small size, uh, quote, earthquakes, um, you know, about one, one kilometer down, uh, I think it's 10 kilometers actually down, um, is taking out all the tunnels in the, in the deep underground military bases.
So, there's been a lot of progress being made.
But, you know, the, the, It's like when you when you neutralize it in one area yes the other areas will pick up and to try and survive it's a survival it's a game of whole you know the good versus evil you know which one's gonna win you know and a lot of times to me it's like a toss-up we don't know yet the outcome here.
Okay but you said you also investigated Epstein and I'm just wondering did you come up with any
Deeper you know because I know that he was involved also with Hillary and Uranium One and I mean it's this rabbit hole goes very deep so did you follow the trail of Epstein and and you know he's like gotten targeted as one of the linchpins but actually I think there are many more and that never have gotten mentioned whatsoever and any thoughts on that?
Yeah He started out in the mid-'80s, where he was introduced to Ghislaine Maxwell by Robert Maxwell, the media mogul that supposedly flopped off his yacht in 1991 and supposedly drowned. the media mogul that supposedly flopped off his yacht in I think Mossad actually murdered him because he was trying to get money out of them, and they weren't going to have it.
But he was the super spy, Robert Maxwell, in addition to being a media mogul and owning half the newspapers in the U.K., But anyway, yeah, the Israeli military intelligence, through Robert Maxwell, introduced Epstein to Ghislaine Maxwell, and she basically was groomed for the—I mean, she was his favorite daughter, the father, and she was groomed to be his handler.
And that's what she was.
Yeah, she went out on the streets and recruited the girls from the poor neighborhoods, you know, all of this.
But she actually was his undercover handler.
And it was an Israeli military operation of entrapment.
And so, of course, they got Ehud Barak, who was the prime minister of Israel.
They got the Clintons involved.
They got, I mean, you know, a whole bunch of Hollywood people and CEOs and all the rest.
They got Bill Richardson, you know, the governor of New Mexico.
He was got entrapped into that whole operation.
I mean, so that was a and they operated all the way from the mid 1980s all the way up to and maybe even after that.
He got a sweetheart deal in 2008.
He was convicted.
He would go to jail.
He would go to the little wing they reserved for him in the Palm Beach jail and sleep there.
You know, he had to be there at a certain time.
And he slept there.
And then he'd go out during the day and do his business, you know.
And he probably was still running the operation.
He basically, I mean, obviously, he has his little St. James, James Island in the Virgin Islands in the Caribbean.
He's got the biggest residential dwelling in Manhattan, and that was given to him by Les Wexner, who is his financier and probable homosexual partner at one point.
Um, and, uh, because that's who is this Candyman, basically, that got him started also.
In fact, Les Wexner has ties, direct ties to Israel.
Um, you know, the mega group, you know, Steven Spielberg and, uh, the Bronfman brothers, you know, Canada and, uh, The alcohol manufacturers, basically Israel is so connected to the Epstein operation.
So yeah, they were able to get a lot of them.
But I heard that Epstein was also Mossad, and so is Ghislaine, or Ghislaine, however you want to say her name.
And so was Maxwell.
I mean, so these people were also very much agents of Israel.
And Israel, and one could imagine that they're keeping sort of control through blackmail.
This is how Israel has their ties into the United States, into the Congress and into the various players in the United States, to where they can't get out of that.
It's like, you know, a web that actually starts with the Mossad, if I understand it to some degree.
Yeah, I mean, and it started even before.
I mean, Donald Trump's mentor, Cohn, the lawyer, you know, the gay guy that was in New York, he ran child sex trafficking rings in Connecticut and the New York area.
And he was in tight with J. Edgar Hoover of the FBI, who was basically a transvestite and homosexual.
And so, yeah, I mean, it started early on in the In the 50s, there were child sex trafficking rings big time in that area, and it just expanded, and they realized, you know, we can control all the puppets of the world and all the governments this way.
And it kind of evolved from basically, I would say, the 50s all the way up to today, where it's just huge and controls all the structure.
The political structure on this earth is controlled by these demons.
Yeah, through the child sex trafficking.
It's the commodity.
I'm sure people are going to wonder, sort of, you know, you've got two people suggested you write this book, I guess feeling that you had maybe the investigative skills and also the skills as a writer to pull it off, because it's a very difficult subject and it's very convoluted also, all these, you know, trails that all lead to the same place, right?
Did you have, um, you know, threats, and were you protected?
And, you know, because it's, it's like, this is, uh, incredible work that you did, like, five volumes.
Yeah, um, I have been very, very fortunate, and I thank God.
Uh, I have never seen or been approached or threatened.
I have never seen any kind of negative activity Knock on wood about me, some kind of punishment or whatever.
I mean, because obviously.
There have been many journal, I mean, journalists.
The death toll of journalists telling the truth is so high and so I've been very fortunate in that regard.
I've never been approached or threatened in any kind of shadowy way even.
Do you think, I don't know, I haven't followed your career that closely so I can't speak to the way, you know, it was rolled out, but in my understanding, these volumes of books are not, like, they're not in common, you know, distribution, you know.
I mean, I believe they're available on Amazon, I noticed that, but I also know that if it wasn't for Robert David Steele drawing attention to your work, it would have been very hard for you to get it out there under the notice of even the alternative.
That's right.
So maybe in part that you've been a little bit sheltered along the way up to now.
Now, we're at a very interesting juncture right now, you know, with Sound of Freedom.
I guess, you know, the the Wano Savin, Jim Caviezel, you know, Wano Savin came in late to the day on that.
But he has shepherded it for the last three years, if I understand it, too.
And now even Mel Gibson's having a four-part documentary series exposing the topic.
Yeah, and some others as well.
This topic has finally reached a certain degree of critical mass in even involving it has to touch on mainstream and by the way on Netflix there have been a number of movies about this subject you know not ever going to the depth we're talking about but you know what I'm saying.
Yep.
So there's hope, I would say, in breaking through this.
And then there was early, you know, notice of course the Catholic Church and pedophilia there, and what's called the Franklin story, which I covered and had interviews with people on, and so on.
But, you know, there's a lot more to this story.
So Is there any particular area where, and let me just say this, I don't know, I can't understand why a lot of people don't seem to know that actually Biden himself is this pedophile.
And there's a witness, there's a whistleblower on the internet Who came forward with who was doing a testimony.
He was interviewed by some law enforcement person and I came across that transcript.
Now, maybe it's been scrubbed since then from the web because no one else has ever mentioned it, but it's like really clearly delineates.
He even says that the wife of Biden's wife was his handler, his facilitator.
I don't know if you ever saw that.
Or anything.
And look, you know, don't shoot the messenger here.
I have a disclaimer on my website.
So, you know, this is actually, there is a real person out there and I read the transcript and it goes into great detail.
I might have been taking screenshots or something of it.
I don't know.
Back in the day, I'd have to look for it.
But have you heard of that?
Well, yeah, I've written articles about Biden.
Yeah, I mean, it runs in the family.
He took showers with his young daughter, you know, when she was 12, 13.
That's nothing compared to, you know, having children delivered on the road while he's a vice president.
Well, and also.
The Biden family, they probably still do, I don't know, maybe they sold it, but they had an island property within minutes of Little St.
James Island.
You better believe that with the Clintons and the Bidens, Obama, all of them are in deep with child sex trafficking, all of them.
And yeah, Biden definitely is a pedophile and we know even from the laptop from hell, his son has been involved with, you know, having sex with little girls in China and Ukraine and all over the place with all the Burisma gas company in Ukraine and that goes right to
Igor Polomoisky, who is an oligarch in Ukraine, that put in Zelensky, he installed Zelensky into that, and he's, they're basically both Jewish Nazis, and their plan on, yeah, you mentioned it earlier, It's a war zone, and then we bring in, and they're even using, you know, depleted uranium now.
It's just horrible, the radioactivity from depleted uranium.
Right.
But anyway, they have a plan to basically have an exodus from Israel to Ukraine, you know, the ancient Khazar land.
How does that even make sense when they're poisoning the environment?
Well, they're not poisoning the part in Kiev in that upper northern and western part as much.
But down there in the Donbass, where the Russian ethnic Russians live, that is now part of Russia, that's where they've been soiled for years, generations.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Okay, but isn't, again, we're talking about Israel, we're talking about Kolomoisky is Well, he's completely the financier behind Zelensky.
And so these people are, I mean, the roots of this go so deep.
It's absolutely shocking that the mainstream media has never exposed any of this.
They've never talked about it.
They've never gone down that road.
Even with the Biden laptop, you know, which, thank God it even came to the notice, because obviously they tried to hide it initially.
It's unbelievable the protection by the FBI and the Department of Justice, unbelievable the amount of protection, and then they go after Trump over nothing, you know?
It's so obvious, but yes.
There are the oversight committees and Jim Jordan.
There are a few GOP Republicans that are doing their best, I think, to expose the truth of the Biden crime family that also has links to the Obama and the Clinton crime families.
They're all in it together.
And the Bush crime family.
They're all in it together.
And, yeah, my belief is there is so much mounting evidence coming out now that Biden will not be the imposter-in-chief, in thief, very much longer.
And it's going-- now who replaces him?
I mean, that-- Yeah.
Trump is saying, OK, I'm going to run in 2021.
Do you realize how much horror and damage is going to happen between now and January 2025 when he comes back to office?
You know, I mean, it's too late.
You know, they're destroying America too rapidly.
Something has to be done.
And obviously that's where, with all the military action and all this crescendo of activity and the speculation, hopefully we're going to see White Hats emerge from all this and intact where, you know, obviously Trump, the continuity of government and all of that, he gets back into being the president, hopefully.
Right.
Well, it is.
It does boggle the mind.
In other words, if allowed to continue, because this is continuing and continuing.
I just wrote an article about, you know, who's really running this place and talking about the sway that the secret space program underground has with our above ground politics and the whole scene that we've got going on here, which has funneled their operations.
Okay.
Over the years, so that's important to know, because then that begins to delineate out who are those players underground that are at the top echelons of some portion of our military, some portion of, you know, the secret space program, the different, you know, Space Force and Army and Navy and, you know, all the different aspects.
And these things are also There's a secrecy between the various militaries, right?
You must be, you know, have a sense or a sensitivity to that, right?
Oh yeah, yeah.
I mean, within each of the military branches, there's the good side and the bad side, and they're going at it.
They are going at it, especially in the underground, with the bad side dominating.
And obviously, you're very much aware That there are ETs, the Draco reptilians are down there, and they're on the side of the Black Ops military down there with the business of children and all that.
Yeah, it's the battle of the ages going on, and people that follow us will be following and have some degree of awareness of what's going on to some extent, but the whole
The realm of how pervasive and deep all of this goes, you know, we struggle to try and find out and then we, with our knowledge, have some basis of where they're headed and we write about it and try and talk about it.
But we don't know that there's so much.
And, you know, I'm hoping, because I know that there are You know, just like I know Lloyd Austin, who's on the dark side, there are good guys that are white hats that are West Point.
I went to school with, and I mentioned Doug McGregor, and I know he's a good guy.
I've been waiting for them to contact me, and they never do.
But anyway, I know you have some inside contacts that are white hats.
Yes, definitely.
Well, okay, now I think you're also party to this whole rollout of the global reset on the one hand from the Dark Hats and then the QFS, which the White Hats have actually worked on and does exist, because I know White Hats who have worked on it, but they're sitting there on it.
They're not doing anything, okay?
Now, this is a puzzle that I can't figure out, OK, as why the one is not moving and the other one is creeping along.
But even my whistleblowers on the dark side, you know, knowledgeable on the dark side about that global reset, are tending to say that it's not happening yet.
And yet, if you look in the alternative press, they act like it's happening tomorrow.
So are you getting any information about that?
You know, because you did say that the whole financial system rests to some degree on this, basically on the human trafficking and, you know, guns and drugs as a secondary level.
So what's your thought on that?
My thought is that We are making inroads to eradicating the child sex trafficking as big as it is.
I don't think we've made more progress ever before than we're making now.
So that's the positive.
But, you know, I'm waiting to see concrete evidence for the public consumption.
Uh, so that we, because there's people that are depressed and giving up there's millions of people that are that are just so.
Feeling defeated, and of course that's exactly where our enemy wants us, to feel defeated and powerless.
So we need, we desperately need a sign that, that, you know, the White Hats are gaining control and gonna win this war.
And I'm right there waiting on the sideline, waiting for some tangible evidence.
Well, I agree.
You know, there is this idea, I mean, just throwing this out here, that that there is a so-called alliance with the White Hats and that, I don't know if you remember, but Trump went around and actually handed these envelopes to all the world leaders.
And basically, I think what he told them, in essence, was that he was going to expose the depth to which they have been implicated in the Drenochrome Highway, the child trafficking and the human trafficking aspect, and that their career would be over virtually the minute that hit the mainstream news.
That reminds me of the Bush Senior funeral with all those people.
Yeah.
They look at their envelope, "Oh my God, what's this?" Exactly.
Yeah.
But, but, okay, that's fine, because they know it.
We heard a rumor about it, but we never, you know, see, what I'm thinking is, why is it that we don't have world leaders who are clearly, even behind the scenes, on the side of the white hats, with the premise of stopping the human trafficking?
Because that, you know, it just takes a decent human being to want to do that.
I only see the only one that I that I can feel like is trying to do something.
I don't see anybody.
Well, I think, well, okay, let's, let's go to COVID, for example, because COVID was a real indicator on the ones that would cave and the ones that wouldn't.
And one thing that did happen.
I don't know what the final count was, but there were African leaders that were dying, and basically like nine of them, because they wouldn't get along with the agenda.
Yeah.
The COVID agenda.
So you can imagine if you take the COVID and supplant it with the child trafficking, I'm sure those same individuals probably would have bucked that system as well.
In other words, we need unification.
We need groups to stand up together rather than having one individual be a target.
So, I'm just throwing this out right now, but, I mean, you're on the same page I am, that this is, you know, in a certain sense, in terms of our planet, whether you like them or you don't like them, the White Hats and the White Hat military is the only organized group that we know of that is going after, rescuing the children, okay, in the underground bases.
Must have the knowledge, you know, a database.
I know for one thing that they have been helped by the NSA, for example.
And that was, you know, a few years ago.
I don't know where it stands now.
We're really talking about exposing a network.
You know, when slavery, or when all these things that have come down through the pipeline, the sort of, you know, the graft, the human railroad, all of this, it got exposed back in those years, right?
Back in the day.
But this is, like, very slow in coming forward.
It's just starting now.
And I don't know, have you seen Sound of Freedom, that movie?
No, I haven't seen it.
I know all about it, but I haven't seen it yet.
Okay, well, I have, and you know, I was with a group of journalists that were invited to see it a few years ago.
But in my view, it's actually, it's a very tame treatment of the real story, okay, which is extremely You know, I don't know if you know, back in the day, Steven Soderbergh, he's a famous director.
He came out with a lot of stories about the drug culture and what it was doing to our kids and stuff.
I think he did.
Yes, but he did a major motion picture that also dealt with the whole drug culture and how it was, you know, damaging our children.
So, That continues, even.
I mean, that whole, you know, stuff.
So, I'm just wondering, you know, whether or not, what it's going to take, in other words, for this to come out in a real tangible way, because Do you know who Liz Crokan is, for example?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And she has been a very staunch fighter on behalf of getting this information out.
But she's also taken a lot of hits, I think.
And I don't see her around as much.
So I'm not sure if that's why or what's going on with that.
But you know what I'm saying?
In other words, we need more journalists to come forward with the real nitty gritty evidence as well.
So just saying.
I know you wrote your books.
Have you been on a speaking circuit at all on the topic, that kind of thing?
You know, I do interviews, but I've not really...
No, I feel like the word needs to get out there.
Yes, it's good to have this movie.
That's probably the biggest attention that's being focused on it.
And then having Mel Gibson step in and contribute as well.
These are really big, big steps in the right direction.
I'm doing my part, you know.
I'm putting out, I churn out an article or two every single week.
I have a radio program, two hours.
I devote a lot of my time with the child sex trafficking and then of course what's going on with Ukraine and all the rest of the political, geopolitical events.
But yeah, I mean, I'd love to be able to reach more people, that's for sure.
Yeah, for sure.
Well, I'm not going to keep you much longer.
I know we've been going for a while.
Is there anything else you want to talk about that we haven't touched on or that you really a message you want to get out before we shut this down?
Well, we haven't really, you know, I wrote that, I think it was probably even my last article on the exposure of basically the alien spacecraft, the crashes that have been going on.
I think Stephen Greer had a press conference on the 12th of June and 145 crashes and they have intact UFO spacecraft.
Obviously, there have been live ETs and there are live ones right now that are in government control, you know?
Well, I've been covering that.
Maybe you're not familiar with my work, but for the past 18 years... I know, this is your forte!
And I can tell you that there's a lot more crashes than he's letting on.
He works with a certain agency a lot, and I think that he's kind of what you might call A limited opposition, you know, type of thing.
He doesn't even say that there are negative ET.
He won't go there.
Yeah, I know that.
So I've exposed him on that score really like over 10 years ago in a video in which I was in a conference in I was in Spain and Barcelona and he was on the stage.
I had a witness actually who came on stage with Bob Dean.
Bob Dean's a famous command sergeant, Robert O'Dean, who had been disclosing the E.T.
presence and what he called the aliens walking the halls of the Pentagon, the Anunnaki.
So on so we, you know, and I did many interviews with him, and he became a very good friend as as did his wife, Marcia Schaffer, who disclosed some things as well.
The bottom line is that we were at a conference that we had a witness who had actually worked on Mars as part of the Secret Space Program.
He was invited there by the organizers.
He went on stage to talk with Robert Odena, who'd just done a presentation all about Mars and, you know, disclosing a lot of what's going on there with the Secret Space Program.
And then, this was during the lunch hour, and basically, apparently, behind the scenes, Greer was involved in certain things to do with stopping him from coming forward, even though he did come forward, and we have the footage.
Um, and so I just want to say, in controlled opposition, that kind of thing, that there's, it goes much deeper than he's willing to say, and he's also not willing to admit to the negative side of the equation, which has everything to do with why some humans
Are leading the drive to traffic humans and especially children and to kill children to use their organs as you say the various Lucian various parts of from their adrenal glands and so and so forth.
So.
This is a story that you're bringing up now and we've been going for a while so we don't have time we could maybe have you back to talk about this more if you like but what I'm saying is that one feeds upon the other because the two are one having to do with the reptilian the gray
And basically the Dracos, so it's a hierarchy on the off-world and inner-earth, these particular species who feed on humans.
That's how they exist.
And they use the humans also for sexual objects.
And as bizarre as it sounds, and I have a special witness on that, Captain Mark Richards, who has been in prison for over 35 years, who is an enemy of what we call the Luciferian Rebellion, which is all about that Adrenochrome Highway and using humans as slaves, taking them off planets, by the way, off planet.
um ships coming in through CERN which is a portal that they opened to the Draco Galaxy which allows them to come in with larger ships than they can normally get in through the portals of Earth and come down to places like Syria and Iraq and Ukraine, of course, and gather up human slaves and take them off-planet and sell them to other races.
I know it sounds insane, but that is actually so.
All of our slavery, all of the adrenochrome highway, all of the feeding on humans in all the various forms and fashions, these all have a predecessor in the off-planet races and the distribution of what's going on there.
So it's connected and sad to say that Greer is an apologist and won't admit to that other side of things.
I believe he's knowledgeable about it.
I'm not going to tell you how knowledgeable I think he is, but...
That's where we're going.
So it's good that you bring it up.
It's good that you're aware of it.
The evidence is now coming out on that as well.
So I think we're on a good trajectory here on Earth to disclose all the lies.
And eventually, maybe we'll get there.
And maybe a lot of these people who have been apologists, who have been hiding, who have been supporting the system in these ways, right?
And Spielberg definitely, probably, is part of that group.
And others, you know, I don't have the list in front of me, but I'm sure Mel Gibson has something of a list, and some other Hollywood people who've come forward briefly, like, God, what's his name?
This one whistleblower who Oh, Isaac Cappy.
He was about to do an interview.
He did, Isaac Cappy, yeah.
Yeah, well, if he is, I suppose it's very likely that he is, but I just want to say that he was about to do an interview with me.
So, back right before he dies, or...
Was taken out of line.
Whatever you want to say or put into protective custody.
Maybe we don't know.
All right.
These are the kinds of things that white hats are also part of hiding these witnesses until the time such as which they want to come forward with them.
But how much longer do we have to wait?
And as you said, we can't really sit around for another year and a half of all of you think of the number of victims that are going to, you know, right.
go down during that time.
It's just hideous.
So yeah, thank you so much for coming on the show.
Thank you for your incredible service to humanity and writing the books that you have.
And I do want to say that I'm putting a link to your website on the page where I have you all embed the video of this interview.
And you're also welcome to have a copy of it to distribute however you would like.
But is there any parting words you would like to say along these lines?
Never before have we known About all the crimes against humanity and children, we have never known what we know now.
And I believe that we are moving in the right direction.
Not fast enough from my end, but I know that we are making progress on a daily basis.
So my parting words would Keep the faith that the good will prevail, God will prevail in this, and those of us children of God will prevail against the evil.
It will happen, it is happening, so don't give up, and keep fighting, and keep linking with other people of like mind, localize, you know, get your You know, basically all the necessities of food and the rest of it, you know, survivalist, because we don't know what is going to happen.
You know, there could be EBS go into effect and then we can't do anything and all this.
So prepare and get right with God.
All right, thank you very much for that.
Okay, Joaquin, thank you again for being on the show.
Thank you for your incredible work and hopefully we can have you back, discuss whatever you would like, including more about the Secret Space Program and, you know, what goes that deep in that way as well.
So, give me your links so I can be sure to put on your page, you know, your radio show and this and that, everything you're doing as well as I think I unearthed the Amazon link.
I can put that for your books and anywhere else that your books are available.
Also, Robert David Steele's old site is still up.
PettoEmpire.org.
You can find every single chapter of all my books on PettoEmpire.org for free.
Oh, wow.
OK.
I didn't know that.
Alright, so thank you very much for that.
That's great to hear.
Alright, take care and thanks everyone for watching and please do share this video and for people that are in, you know, denial or whatever about this situation because I have met people that are in denial.
It's unbelievable that they are, but they are.
So they need to know that there are experts out there that have been dealing with this and you're certainly one of them.
So thank you.
Thank you, Carrie.
All right.
Take care.
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