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April 11, 2023 - Project Camelot
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KERRY INTERVIEWED BY PATRIOT UNDERGROUND: APRIL 10, 2023
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Thank you.
Thank you so much for joining me, folks, to discover the truth beneath the surface.
I really do appreciate everybody out there taking the time to listen.
So tonight, I have the pleasure of welcoming Keri Cassidy back to the show.
And it just so happens that she is overseas right now, so we had a little bit of difficulty putting this together, but hopefully everything is going to run smoothly tonight.
Certainly, Keri is no stranger to this audience after our several conversations.
I think we're on like 11 or 12 at this point.
But it's always a great time.
Each conversation that we have, it always has its distinct focus and flavor, and the audience really appreciates hearing your perspective.
After being at the helm of Project Camelot for over 18 years and interviewing thousands of whistleblowers, you continue to bring more and more information to the forefront.
Seems like you're always ahead of the curve, Kerry.
I have to give you credit for that.
I mean, it's just truly amazing in terms of what's next on this journey into the Great Awakening.
So I'm very excited to talk to you tonight.
It's always interesting to hear your intel, your perspective.
So I thought maybe tonight we could sort of present a breakdown of where you think we are right now in terms of this overall battle to liberate humanity.
And there's a whole bunch of different questions and subjects that we can get into.
I know recently you did a really great interview with Mike Gill.
That got a lot of attention, and I'd like to ask you a couple questions about that.
We can certainly get into AI, because that's been an increasing topic of importance in the Patriot community.
And there's also increasing evidence that, you know, what you pointed to I think it was, I don't know, three, four interviews ago, we were talking about the dueling AI systems, and that's starting to become more and more of a topic in the Patriot community, so I think it's really important to talk about how these AI systems are kind of directing traffic behind the scenes, and that so much of what we're witnessing play out on the surface is the result of this
Kind of spy versus spy paradigm, the way 107 likes to put it, that very few people out there truly understand at the level that you do.
So, lots of things to talk about.
I'm really excited for tonight's conversation.
So, Kerry, welcome back.
It's great to talk to you again.
Okay, yeah, absolutely, Patriot, and fun to have you, you know, back with me on this show you do.
So, yeah, I just flew in from Egypt, so I'm a little bit, you know, like out there as you are when you get off a plane, but we had a great trip, and everyone really enjoyed being in Egypt, and I kind of blasted that one out of the park in terms of
Changing the Egyptian paradigm of how you look at Egypt and when you change your view of the past, it actually changes your present and your future.
So, I think it's really important that we start to understand our ancient past better as humans, because that will really inform the way we go into the future, and we can learn from the past as always.
So, that's kind of my spiel on Egypt for the moment, unless you have... Well, certainly, I'd be curious to hear.
Now, you did a conference over in Egypt, is that right?
Is that the reason you had traveled over there?
No, I lead tours of Egypt.
It's myself and Maria Wheatley.
It's on my website.
We have documentaries that we've done in the past.
I've been doing this on and off and of course the COVID years intervened.
It's been like three years since I've been back, I think approximately.
It was great to be back and get back in touch with all the people that I I deal with over there and to go back into the temples, and the sacred sites that are so much a part of our past and also our future in my view, and of course to be close to the big pyramids.
uh as you may imagine so it's um yeah it's it's it's wild and crazy actually and uh just saying i know this is not necessarily uh on topic but uh they did try to stop me from speaking so uh what happens is i go we take an egyptian guide We have me and then we have Maria Wheatley, who is an expert dowser and druid.
So she gets her point of view out to the people we bring.
We had around 20 people.
And I do the same from my point of view and what I've been doing the last few years when I deal with Egypt is trying to break through the lies and the misdirects and even delve deeply into what's on the temples, what's out there, what's being promoted, what was propaganda back then even and even into the now.
So It was packed.
A lot of people, I guess, realizing that with the last few years of lockdown, crazy shit.
Sorry, craziness going on.
You could say it.
It's okay.
We're uncensored over here.
Yeah, craziness going on.
It I think it's bringing home just how precious not only being on on the earth is but also our our ancient places and and how we can learn from them.
So it was uh quite quite crowded and the the sort of it place to be over the Easter holiday as you can imagine and yeah it came back in a packed plane uh really kind of fascinating dynamic going on there.
Because England, as you know, I'm right now I'm in the UK and then I'm on my way back to the States on Saturday, so what happens with England is they've got lots of immigrants here, both Egyptian, obviously Arabs from the Middle East, and
and you know the Ukraine and and the whole thing so that's kind of a fascinating um moving target if you want to say that and uh yeah what the the uh what you might call the um British government is is really up to in in in this dynamic so uh yeah so that's kind of what was happening but the fact that they wanted to stop me
From speaking, um, is really kind of fascinating because this time they actually were a little more aggressive than they've been in the past and trying to stop me.
And so I had to do some covert little things to record what I had to say about the place as we go, because it's the kind of thing where I'm recording live, you know, on, on the spot.
You know what I mean?
And so it's, it's not you, you know, I, if I walk away from a site, I no longer have what I'm talking about right there.
Right.
So, so I have to, it's an ongoing dynamic to, to get that testimony out there.
And I do get downloads, um, when I'm in progress.
So it's, it's actually a really fascinating study, I guess you might say.
And, uh, I am breaking down the old school paradigm.
That's promoted through Egyptology with respect to Egypt and I think that has everything to do with our interactions with ETs.
A lot of people not understanding that the gods on the Egyptian, you know, reliefs are basically what we would also call ETs at this time.
So that's kind of a fascinating dynamic and I'm just trying to get the truth out with regard to that.
That's awesome.
Are you going to post some of the footage on your website?
Yes.
We will, again, cut a documentary out of the footage we have.
This one should be, I think, quite interesting.
Not to say I know what blows people away and what doesn't.
I think you might have a pretty good idea.
I mean, you've been doing this for a while, so.
I think when it comes out, I think, you know, it's very important.
Yeah, I'm very passionate about this kind of thing because, and I can get it, eventually would like to go to some other ancient sites around the world.
I've already done a few ancient site tours and so on.
I want to do more.
This is an ongoing thing.
Archaeologists are just not hitting it.
They're basically in the dark because they never want to consider that we have off-world presence here.
And so the residual effects of the off-world presence, the historical Carvings and messages and all this kind of thing gets lost in translation, so to speak.
So it's all about recovering those memories.
Well, that's fascinating.
I actually have a question for you that was sort of similar in topic about non-terrestrial, so I guess I might as well just pitch it to you right now since we're on the subject.
You know, this has been, as far as I'm concerned, it's been pretty amazing to watch how the mainstream media is starting to roll out this whole narrative.
In preparation for the false flag project Blue Beam, you know, alien invasion, telling us that there's a mothership that's sending out craft and, you know, of course gaslighting us into thinking that they're sending our fighter jets up there to just shoot them down without any resistance.
I mean, just totally insane for anybody who's in the know.
But it's really interesting because For me, it kind of points to the question of how are they going to disclose non-terrestrial existence or ETs.
I mean, and this is something that I had considered a little bit in the past, but now that they're really starting to ramp up this narrative in preparation for this final card that we're expecting they're going to play sooner or later, I'm wondering Do you think it's possible that maybe the White Hats are going to use that whole scenario somehow and turn it into a vehicle for disclosure about ETs and about, you know, non-terrestrial existence?
I mean, because obviously we've always thought of that as, and I think correctly so, as a Black Hat play.
You know, that this was something Wernher von Braun talked about on his deathbed.
This is something that's, you know, very well known that this was going to be really their final I guess you could say their final false flag to get us into the new world order.
And, you know, it seems like they're really, I mean, kind of intermittently because there's so much going on right now.
We're going to talk about a lot of things, but they're really starting to lean pretty heavily on this, you know, this alien existence.
You know, the mainstream media is talking about it more and more.
So do you have any thoughts on that?
Do you think it's possible that they might actually use Project Bluebeam as a way of disclosure?
That the White Hats could maybe be directing traffic behind the scenes unbeknownst to all of us?
I mean, what are your thoughts on that?
Okay, well, it's kind of interesting because Bluebeam is not a White Hat operation, so I just want to clarify that.
Whether they get involved or not is another matter, and that gets into just how deeply they penetrated into the Secret Space Program.
And the sort of powers that be that run that program behind the scenes, right?
So that's actually, you know, every once in a while, I think on your show and other ones, I do try to touch on that because this is the great unanswered question is that, you know, we hear about the White Hats going into underground bases and various places around the earth rescuing children.
But what we don't hear is what is going on with their dealings with which, you know, is highlighted by Space Force, of course, Trump, Space Force, and then what, how did that, how does that impact our dealings with the actual day-to-day business of the Secret Space Program, going off-world, going interstellar, going to other planets, colonizing other planets, and so on.
This is all sort of off the table.
No one talks about it.
I know that we don't have a lot of interaction, you know, or, you know, I mean, nobody talks about it, not even Juan.
So there have been a couple references by Juan that I thought were really interesting, that he said that when all was said and done, he would love to get into I guess building stuff but you know or or you know having to do with free energy devices and he's got a lot of knowledge there and maybe even going you know going off world information and possibly dreams that he has about pursuing that sort of thing.
But what we don't know is we're talking about the real nitty gritty of, as far as I'm concerned, of the power structure here on Earth, and incorporating the ET overlords, if you will, and our dealings with them through the secret space program.
So all of that is hidden from humanity.
We have whistleblower testimony about it to some degree over the years through my work and others.
And certainly, as far as Bluebeam is concerned, Randy Kramer is like the person who has been on the circuit.
He's an ex-Marine.
He's been on Mars and Moon.
Fighting various aliens, apparently, and he is, you know, as a channel out there and is talking about his dealings, I guess, ongoing dealings in this regard.
So he he was at a conference.
I've said this many times a couple of years ago now.
Again, it's kind of crazy because I can't even place what year it was because of the COVID thing.
So right around there, he said in three years, they would have a Project Bluebeam rollout.
And we're at the three, we've actually crossed the three year Rubicon.
I think it was in September of 2022.
So now we're in, what is this?
April.
So just to focus the mind a little for people that watch this maybe later.
So just saying that he said that this would happen, that the military had decided to do this because they were kind of at a loss as to how to communicate.
Just how far along our secret space program is in comparison to how people live every day on planet Earth, on the surface Earth, okay?
So you must understand that, as all people that are considering this topic, need to look at the rogue civilization.
And that phrase was, I think, was coined by Rich Dolan, who unfortunately has kind of gone off target, in my opinion, over the last few years and not really focusing as much on Well, I won't get into that.
But at any rate, just saying that this is more and more moving into the center stage, yeah?
And there is reason to believe that they have decided to continue to roll this out, but they're doing it in a really strange way.
And so, Whereas a lot of people, it's like you can't necessarily, first of all, when I was in the audience, I was actually speaker at the conference as well.
Randy Kramer came stomping off stage and kind of got in my face when I raised the issue that how do you have a fake alien invasion when the real ones are here as well?
And, you know, what they're going to do in that case.
So that's the question.
I mean, you know, people may not, Wrap their mind around it that easily, but the fact of the matter is, is that we do have real aliens here.
We have visitors constantly to this planet, uh, both walking around with us and mixing with humanity, uh, sort of in a disguise looking human in most cases and, uh, coming in and out of this dimension and that sort of thing.
We've got, of course, constant activity in the skies that can't be denied.
And even recently, you know, I interviewed this, the last couple years I've been interviewing Major Solomon Berg, who is
A person who has been telepathically dealing and face-to-face dealing with with what we call a Yeti or a Sasquatch or a Squatch and that being a being representing that a race of beings that actually came to earth from off planet and continues to interact with us.
So understanding beings from other cultures having a relationship having a an open dialogue about our relationship with those other cultures and this is something going on in the secret space program and on a daily basis and i have so many witness uh testimonies
to dealings with ET okay as people know of it and there's also inner earth civilizations that are now beginning to consider dealing with surface earth whereas they've kept their distance for so long so that you know this is a big topic and um so when you ask me this like It seems like a short question.
I actually have a very long-winded answer, so I don't want to go too much off topic here.
I want to make sure that I'm dealing with it directly as far as you're concerned.
Oh yeah, you know, you're great.
I was just curious.
I was just curious to hear your, you know, your overall thoughts.
I like to, sometimes I like to keep my questions, I'm learning to keep my questions a little bit more broad and open-ended because sometimes they can be so, you know, convoluted that, you know, people can't remember what I'm asking.
But yeah, I mean, that was a great answer.
And, you know, I mean, it's possible too.
I mean, I've also wondered, and I've heard this said before, that part of the function of space force Was going to be, you know, for disclosure purposes.
I know that Juan talks a lot about how it has more to do with cyberspace than, you know, this than outer space sort of a thing.
But, you know, as you as you pointed out, he really doesn't get into that topic at all.
Not at least not.
I mean, I can't say I listen to everything that Juan says, but I, you know, I keep pretty good tabs on the type of stuff that he's talking about.
I've heard him mention Antarctica, you know, that he was going to start talking about that when the time was right.
But, you know, I've also, I'm curious about how they're going, because as you pointed out, this is a massive, massive topic here.
I mean, it may be even the biggest aspect of disclosure in general.
You know, like you talked about, interterrestrials, extraterrestrials, the fact that we're not alone in the universe.
And, you know, I'm wondering how they're actually going to do this.
I mean, it's speculatory at this point.
Do you think Space Force might have a role in that?
Yes, I think it certainly could, although up to now that's not the case, as far as ostensibly, at least in the public eye.
So, I think there's some... See, I know that Trump is in the know about the topic that I'm talking about, and I know Juan's in the know, okay?
And one thing Juan said to me very early on, really directly, He said, um, don't go in that direction.
Don't talk about the E.T.
thing.
You know, we want people, because what he wants and what they want at this time or what it was initially and now, you know, this, this whole topic that we're talking about having to do with 107 and, and, and Trump and the whole white hat thing is now been going on for a good, you know, I think you could say fairly since 2016.
but definitely since 2018 and so you know we're talking years on with this topic but early on he said don't deal with it because they wanted people focused on you know voting right and where the next vote was gonna go and the next election and election steal and and so they wanted people's eyes on the ground and in in a sort of literal sense right but
I've always, you know, I didn't obey that directive.
Of course you did.
Because it's not my nature to do things against what I think is right.
So I think that this was a mistake on their part, but of course they've got their agenda and I understand kind of from their You know, if you want, it's sort of like a tunnel vision point of view, right?
Just focus on the United States, get the United States up to par and expose the sort of lies and what's really going on behind the scenes.
First, and then branch out, right?
But the trouble is, these things are simultaneous.
It's like saying, don't talk about AI, right?
It's like, you know, I was on AMP, and they had talked about this recent statement by Musk and a few others, trying to put the AI back in the, I said the genie, back in the bottle, right?
With AI, and trying to limit it.
And it's laughable.
I'm sorry, but that's an absolute laughable statement on Elon's part.
And it also smacks of because it's laughable that that's a cover-up, you know, that's part of a cover-up.
They don't want humans to really know how far along AI is.
And yet, I guess anyone who, who, well, certainly if you follow my work, you know, a lot different, but I can also say that chat GPT is, is getting people sort of more aware than ever of the potentiality of, of AI, both the good and the bad.
And, uh, and this is just an ongoing, you know, this is just going to explode.
I mean, it's so big.
So, uh, You know, what can I say?
I think that Space Force could interact.
They could have a more deterministic approach that would, you know, possibly draw attention to certain aspects of what's really going on.
But that also goes counter to the whole At least the way they operate now, which is in secrecy, right?
So they're not telling us so much.
And when Juan says, you know, Space Force focused on, you know, cyberspace, not outer space.
That's actually a misdirect, what I would call a misdirect.
It's not so much an outright lie as it is a misdirect.
And that's because of this principle, you know, this sort of approach that they have.
But be that as it may, that's not Going to work.
That's not a good excuse.
It's not where things are at and we are being impacted in every day really by the interaction of various off-planet races with the what I call the dark magicians of the Illuminati as well as and when I say dark magicians we're also talking generals because a lot of the generals are deeply into the occult and Uh, which may or may not be known by the audience out there.
So when you're talking about, uh, being into the occult, understanding the secrecy and the lies and the surface of what it means to be human, you see, it goes to the roots of that.
This is, um, you know, again, not a small question.
And if you don't want to, you know, and then, you know, you get into that whole Christian right thing where they just want to call everything, um, Fallen angels and fallen angels.
And the trouble with putting things in a box like that is that you, in a certain sense, you, you do what's called objectify them and you put, you, you limit your, uh, exposure and, And your sort of curiosity, if you will, and your desire to delve more deeply into that relationship that you have.
It's, you know, you can call, as they say, a rose a rose, but just by naming something, you can't dispose of it.
So they use a certain labeling process, that their religion has basically put blinders on them to do so, in my opinion.
And that is not a good thing, because whether you like it or not, you're dealing with these beings.
We are dealing, our governments are dealing with them, and it's an ongoing process.
So let's get back to Randy Kramer and, you know, being, again, Even a current marine and talking about fighting these aliens off planet and various other aspects.
You know, we have to come to terms with that.
We have to come to terms with these other beings and That actually gets into eliminating the child trafficking, the pedophiles out there, the adrenochrome highway, is what I call it, and so on, which permeates really the earth and is a huge, more or less, epidemic.
That's a real epidemic, okay, at this time.
Guns, drugs, and it's a triumvirate, right?
Guns, drugs, and child trafficking or human trafficking.
And so that's how, strangely, the Secret Space program has also financed itself over time.
So this is kind of, again, a problematic aspect because, you know, I personally want to think of the Secret Space program as having good guys in it, right?
But at the same time, they're funneling their livelihood.
They're staying, you know, keeping up with the projects and all these You know, unacknowledged special access programs as they're called in government, right?
That's the tip of the iceberg of what I'm talking about.
But the monies and how they fund what they do.
So how are Trump and the White Hats dealing with this power structure?
And also understanding that a decision that's made with regard to our off-planet interactions
is affecting surface earth whether we like it or not okay and just briefly i know not to go too far off topic here but as i've mentioned many times you know there's a television series called the event it's about a race of beings that are human they look human uh they may have a fair amount of
Some kind of reptilian DNA or some other DNA that we don't know of because it adversely affects us in affecting our genome by interacting with them.
But nonetheless, they come to Earth.
They're given a certain amount of territory for them to bring their people to because their own planets have been destroyed.
And that is based on an absolutely real story having to do with possibly some of the groups from Aldebaran.
Now, naming a race, you know, or a species is difficult because we don't know for sure, or at least I don't know for sure.
I know whistleblower testimony, but I can't be absolutely positive the race is from Aldebaran.
But based on whistleblower testimony, that's where it appears to be from.
So that, again, that event had to do with giving them territory here on planet Earth.
And in exchange, we are doing an exchange.
So, Gordon Duff, who was the editor of Veterans Today, a CIA, you know, agent and so on.
But nonetheless, this is one thing that he talked about many years ago, of course.
And then I have other whistleblower testimony backing that up.
So the idea here is that they've actually given parts of Africa to this group and they are incoming and they are establishing secret colonies in Africa.
And so the other countries, including the African countries, in theory don't have a say in the matter because they're not part and parcel involved in our secret space program.
You understand.
Or the decision-making processes that go on to create that program.
And that's very far-reaching.
Then the Chinese have their own secret space program, so you've got a competitor.
And India, in theory, has a complementary space program.
How much they really get out into space I don't know but again these are so we've got politics on the United States you know the United States politics here on surface earth and then we've got politics or exo-politics that actually deals with all of these other questions and you know something as simple as the death of James Forrestal for example is an indicator you know he was
Correct me if I'm wrong, either Secretary of State or something back in the day, right?
Under, I think it was Truman, but he, you know, he was thrown out of a window at Bethesda Hospital.
And a lot of people don't know that Nixon was also extremely troubled by every E.T.
encounter that he was witness to involving even what's known as the Cuban Missile Crisis, according to my whistleblower, Captain Mark Richards, and that may involve Bay of Pigs or not, but nonetheless, Nixon was fully informed and fully involved in whatever Eisenhower was involved in back in the day.
Kennedy was also totally involved, okay, John F. Kennedy, and that gets into the the link up between 107 And what may be his true identity as John Kennedy Jr.
and the fact that his father was about to disclose at least partially something about the E.T.
presence when he was assassinated.
So that was on the agenda according to Mark Richards.
So it wasn't just the banking side of it, right?
And it wasn't just all the enemies he'd made in CIA wanting to dissolve that agency altogether.
and take their power away, or the mafia, or the Cubans, or the Israelis, you know, who are all involved in his assassination.
So, you see, what I'm trying to do is draw a line to show you there's a through line from our secrets, what we consider to be our secret space program, and what happens on surface Earth.
Okay.
Wow, that's amazing.
And I didn't realize that.
Now, did Kennedy, to your knowledge, did he ever actually make any public statements that would hint that he was headed in that direction?
Or was that something that was just completely classified?
Because, quite frankly, that was before my time.
So I have, you know, I'm a student of that era.
Mainly, you know, I've done a lot of research about about Kennedy, but I've never come across anything because I've heard some of the things that you've just mentioned that, you know, that he was gearing up to do this.
But to your knowledge, did he ever actually make any public statements that would suggest that he was going in that direction?
Or is this something that only people behind the scenes knew about?
Well, when you say public, for example, I have a whistleblower.
His name is Bill Holden.
Many years ago came forward.
He was on Air Force One with Kennedy.
They actually discussed the ET situation openly, to a degree, and he reported on that in his interview, which should still be available on my website.
Sometimes my interviews kind of disappear because these people are messing with my website.
I can't imagine why.
Yeah and so I don't want to you know but I can tell you that that's legit okay that he's an excellent whistleblower and this goes back you know I mean I go back 18 years so it's around maybe 16 or 15 years ago but nonetheless it's still there it's on video
And the other thing about that is that not that long ago, and this may be five years ago or something like that or maybe less, I actually did have a phone call with Bill Holden and we were interrupted in the middle of the phone call and he completely disappeared off the radar.
So Um, and apparently had some kind of so-called accident at that time.
Uh, I think he's still alive.
I think he's still alive.
Uh, and so on, but I just want to say, you got to understand how closely they monitor my dealings now, of course, with X, you know, people that have been my whistleblowers, as you want to call it.
Um, Over the years, right?
And anytime someone tries to get back in touch with me and that kind of thing.
So there's that.
And then there's the ongoing whistleblowers that, you know, and what I call sources, people that don't come before the camera.
And I'm still dealing with a lot of those.
Yeah, so just saying that you wanted to know if Kennedy ever spoke about it.
He did speak to up to Bill Holden on Air Force One.
I forget Bill Holden's exact title, job title at the time, but he was involved with Air Force One and that's where he got the testimony.
But yeah, I think there are other places as well.
You know, I don't remember exactly.
I do know that 107 has not that long ago talked in a fair amount of depth about Nixon and the Nixon White House and some things that people don't realize about, you know, Nixon and his administration and how
What I will say here, and I've said it before, but there's an excellent book by this guy named Ashton Gray, and he's a Scientologist or ex-Scientologist, however you want to look at him, but he was documenting how the Scientologists worked with the CIA to take down Nixon.
So when you're looking at that, you're looking at two administrations back-to-back, you know, John F. Kennedy and Nixon, right?
Virtually back-to-back, you know what I'm saying?
That the CIA just unilaterally decided to take out because They were trying to run our world, right?
So, God knows what other, you know, I mean, sure the list is long, right?
And I'm sure that that even gets into the whole targeting of Trump, having to do with, you know, all the craziness that went on with the Christopher Story information, you know, the Russian collusion, all that nonsense, you know, and now we're still, we're embroiled in yet another I was going to say that's a perfect segue, yeah.
I was going to ask you about that.
So I mean it's like this stuff does not end and there is a history here again.
So we started the conversation today talking about history and how it impacts us and how important it is to go back in history and uncover the lies because if you don't uncover those lies
Then you come fast forward, you're dealing with the same agency, CIA, and their collusion and dealing with, you know, what's going on now and the setups and the games being played, and who runs that agency, who really runs it, in other words, and that kind of thing.
So, yeah, it's a deep rabbit hole, but very important to go down.
Absolutely.
All right.
Well, you know, you kind of brought up Trump and that's the direction I was going to head us in.
Actually, this is where I was going to lead off tonight, but we started getting into the conversation and it was on topic.
So I figured, you know what, let's just get into it.
But I wanted to ask you about Trump and the whole arrest situation, because this is obviously on everybody's mind out there.
A lot of people talked about it.
You know, we've mentioned 107 already a couple of times tonight.
He's talked about it.
You, the Storm Rider, had predicted this was going to happen.
SG Anon talked about this in some of his early files.
So, and you know, and it indeed has come to pass.
Now, I mean, I have my views on this.
I've relayed those views mainly to my audience that this is not the real Donald John Trump, that this is a pantomime.
There's been a whole bunch of analysis that's come out.
They said that the 34 counts that they charged him with is a reference to the law of war.
Once again, I mean, we've heard a lot about 11.3, but this time they're talking about the law of war, manual chapter 3, section 4, that'd be the 34, which outlines the basis for war crimes.
And that Trump's recent speech where he was Standing flanked by three flags on one side and then four flags on the other was a similar sort of coded message to the enemy through the language of semaphore, which of course Juan talks a lot about as well.
People have even talked about how this, the name Stormy Daniels is, you know, perhaps she's playing a role as well, that the name's no coincidence, that we're in the beginning stages of the storm, so there's a lot of information going around.
Now I think that There's little doubt that during Trump's trial that everything is eventually going to get reversed against the deep state, that this is a large part of what Juan talks about at the reversal event, and that this was a necessary, let's just call it a 5D chess move, because that's how most people refer to this
battle that we're in between good and evil, that this chess move enables the White Hats to publicly expose the forces behind the scenes that issued illegal FISA warrants.
You mentioned the Steele dossier, that whole scenario.
Who authorized this investigation into Trump?
And of course, it just sets a legal precedent as well to be able to go after Former heads of state, even though Trump's not really a former head of state, but you kind of get my drift on that.
So what are your thoughts on the Trump arrest development, and do you think that this was staged by the White House?
Uh, okay.
So I, the way I see it is that this is kind of, um, uh, it's, it's like a white hat, dark hat operation and they're not working together in it, but.
You know, they, because they react and because they're already strategizing in the future using AI and using the generals and so on and so forth.
Both sides are using AI in these strategy sessions and they're strategizing daily using the AI.
My point of view on this may not be how it is.
I want to clarify that because I know a lot, I've been told a lot, but I also know that Um, when you're technically, you know, dealing with AI and you really have that kind of deep knowledge on it that you might have a different point of view.
But from my point of view is if they're both dealing with AI and I've been told by a whistleblower that there's an over an umbrella AI that controls both those AIs.
Okay.
So if you want to look at it like that, Okay.
And understand that, let's say you put in, you know, just for simplification purposes, you put in the data and you get data back, right?
But both sides are putting in the same data and they're probably both getting the same data back.
You know what I'm saying?
So it's kind of like They know each other's moves, possibly both, before they happen.
So it's like both reading from the same script.
And even if going back to the days of Project Camelot, when I interviewed Leo Zagami all those years ago, who has been quite a prolific author since then, And talked about the, again, the playbook that the Illuminati are following.
So on top of the AI overlay, we've got this religious, you know, Bible overlay that also is kind of like the guidebook for a lot of these people, right?
They're all kind of following the same script, if you will.
So when you look at that, the way you phrased it, I think is inaccurate.
You know, with all due respect, they're not working together, but they end up in the same place at the same time.
You just see what I'm saying?
And reacting to the same stimulus.
And sometimes the stimulus comes from one side or sometimes from the other.
So I think it's like that.
That's how I would kind of put it together and I do think that obviously one was set 107 was saying, I mean, really, of all the people out there that have predicted the Trump arrest one was the most.
You know, constant, constant reminder in all of his shows going back at least a year, definitely a year, probably two years, okay?
Talking about the Trump arrest and getting into more seriously the closer we got to these dates.
I can say that I understand the link up, okay, but a lot of people may not.
Okay, so then also Q, the Q thing said, you know, the first arrest will be the biggest surprise or whatever kind of thing, right?
Yeah, shock the world, right?
So here we have the first arrest.
And in theory, you want to look at it like that.
So, yes, I think they're working together on the same playing field, and they're so closely aligned.
In every incident that you can pretty much, you know, it's like football teams or something, right?
So, this is what we're looking at.
We're looking at two sides of this coin of, you know, of current events.
And so, who's orchestrating?
It might be the better question.
Yeah, that's definitely a better way to put it, right?
And maybe everyone's going to hate this, or at least some people, but you might have to go off planet for that.
Sorry, just saying it like it is.
Kennedy was smart enough to know that.
Nixon was smart enough to know that.
Eisenhower realized that, okay, after a few meetings.
These things are being orchestrated to some degree as well from off-planet, very likely, okay, just very likely.
And then there's the AI part that is also, this is what's interesting, at least to me, that And I'll use Courtney Brown and his remote viewers as an example.
Not long ago, they started looking at AI, and they basically found out that AI was outside our galaxy, that it had already taken over one solar system or galaxy, and that it was on its way to doing the same with ours.
So when you look at it from the really big picture, like that, And then you zoom into the ground here, which we, which is the Trump arrest, right?
Then you're looking at something that is beginning to look like maybe the entire matrix being again, you know, an AI program that we're all in.
And it's an exercise, maybe a spiritual exercise, you know what I'm saying?
And so on.
A lot of people tend to like to talk about that.
A simulation, whatever you want to call it.
So back up.
And also there's the time travel elements of Trump and Barron.
Okay, and I probably know about those rumors and such.
So, what I'm saying here is that this is very fascinating, and it's also very interwoven, the dark and the light, on these topics.
And I don't see, I'm not sure you can see where the, where does it all begin, you know, if you go to the source of everything.
You know, do you go to the American Revolution?
Do you go, you know, to the French Revolution?
Do you go, you know, where do you go?
To see who's pulling the strings and how far back you go and etc.
I know.
See, that's just how my mind works.
I work on the specific and then I go to the furthest part, you know?
Out beyond the sun, you know what I'm saying?
And then all the way in between as well.
Because that is just, I think, necessary.
I don't think you can live in the world right now And not be considering these various aspects and players and impacts coming from all different directions.
And you can call it acts of God if you want.
I could act call it acts of the creator, the source.
And then of course we are players and we are faces of the source as well.
And and you know it's opposite you know the antichrist and so on so forth operates through the dark ones.
But This so when we go there and when we come back to just the on the ground basics.
Yeah, I would say if you just point blank, I would, I have, I have actually said this already out on shows that.
Even before the arrest happened, that it seems to me, just in theory, that this wouldn't be the real Trump.
The real Trump would need to be hidden away in NORAD, even for those years possibly, coming out occasionally when the coast looked particularly clear or something.
I think it's very likely that we've got a double or a clone out there.
playing the game uh in the public arena although you know there's no proof of that you know what i mean and they can't go to trial and fingerprint this guy and say oh hi everyone of course we know presidents have doubles and clones and so on so we're not sure if this is the actual trump that we're arresting or some other guy right I'm not going to tell you that, but that doesn't mean it's not true.
And I even have gone to the point of speculating that Stormy Daniels was maybe what we have.
This is hypothetical.
Maybe what we have is a rogue or partially rogue clone or double who, you know, went on outing in actually strangely a place where I'm kind of associated with right now, Lake Tahoe, on a one night stand with a Stormy Daniels character.
And I've also believed that it's very possible that she might be playing a role.
Although, you know, there's some reasons not to believe that.
But she may not, you know, it's kind of funny, how do we play roles?
And how at the same time, are we naive about that?
And you know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Sometimes we don't realize that we're in a game and we're playing a role even though we think it's legitimate and, you know, propelled by actual events.
So regardless, my understanding is she wrote a statement even before he got arrested Denying that it ever happened.
I've heard that also.
And so, what are we really talking about?
I mean, this is just insane.
Why can't people just get the 411, get the lowdown and know what the facts are going in?
get the lowdown and know what the facts are going in.
But instead, this is a Democrat, you know, dog and pony show.
And it may be all completely, this is sort of smacks of CIA actors and the way they operate.
So it probably has a lot of their fingerprints all over it.
But it does play into the White Hat's need to be able to come in and In theory, with the military to take down the Biden administration and replace Trump in power.
Legitimately, but doing in such a way that the people don't get all paranoid thinking that we have a dictatorship going on.
So this is always, you know, and then we don't go to civil war.
Knowing the White House agenda, this plays into it.
Also, Trump, the underdog.
Whenever he's the underdog, that works very much in his favor.
Now you would think that the White Hats, not the White Hats, but the other side, would know that this would place them in a very uncomfortable position if not lose them the 2024 election, right?
So why would they do it?
You have to say that.
You have to go down all these roads trying to figure out why they do something that is so, in a certain sense, self-destructive of them, right?
Yep, absolutely.
And the proof is already out there.
Trump has brought in more money in the last, I don't know, few weeks since the arrest than he has for years and so on.
So we're really looking at a moving target, but at the same time, it's kind of funny that more and more we are in a play, but aware of the play, right?
So people are becoming aware of the play while it's happening as a play and a game, if you will.
And so that's also entering into the game.
It's kind of like, you know, it's like when you're aware of the AI, suddenly the AI is entered into the game, right?
It's not innocent anymore.
It's not, you know, it's not happening naturally.
If there was ever such a thing.
I mean, after coming from Egypt and looking at all the propaganda put through that, you know, Egyptology and then also on the temple walls, which in and of itself could be called propaganda back in those days.
I mean, this is how crazy, you know, our lives are and how, you know, this kind of stuff has been going on forever.
So, Just want to say that I hope I'm answering your question as a Stormy Daniels.
I like, you know, I think it's so crazy that she's called Stormy Daniels, like her nickname, because, of course, the White Hats have been talking about the storm forever.
And yes, we're in the storm.
So a very appropriate name, no doubt.
But there's another woman who's also pressed charges in this regard and, you know, got a payoff or something.
I forget her name.
And, um, you know, there's, there's other extenuating circumstances, certainly having to do with the, um, is Cohen the name of the lawyer that- Yes.
Yeah.
Michael Cohen.
Yeah.
So like, what the hell is his role?
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, going back now years and wasn't he originally like Trump's lawyer?
So like, is this another case, right?
Okay, the Democrats would like to say that, oh, Trump trusts the wrong people and he's got terrible taste in understanding who's with him and who's against him, right?
Well, that's been a major criticism.
I never bought into it though.
Right.
When in fact, they keep their enemies closer.
That's a fact.
And Juan, even in a recent interview, just used that phrase again.
So, you know, there's no doubt that that's part of their operation, you know, modus operandi.
And so when you look at that, they've absolutely demonstrated that now for years and years and years.
So then it's kind of like General Flynn.
Is he with us or against us?
And you'll get people testifying on both sides of that spectrum.
So, but I think that this tactic has been honed and, you know, used repeatedly and so on.
So, and even, I mean, let me just say that I can say that I've actually had conversations with one
during which he revealed like that thought process as being part of their operation even going back to when he invited the so-called alternative you know top alternative journalists and influencers to a weekend to see a screening of um sound of silence or sound of freedom sound of freedom and and so on so knowing that they invited some people there
That they knew were going to go and go, you know, not before them, but actually work against them.
But this is what they do.
They explore their enemies.
They bring their enemies closer.
They encourage them and all that kind of stuff.
Well, that's what's so hard, I think, for most people out there to wrap their brain around is this, you know, this fifth generational warfare.
It's really difficult to understand.
As you put it, I think it's just a very straightforward question, you know, who's really in control?
Who's really pulling the levers of power?
Because, you know, we, those of us who have been following Q now for a while, we look to these, you know, these drops and we, you know, there's just so many examples of mathematical impossibilities.
There's no way.
That they could have predicted this just, you know, on a whim.
That, you know, it raises all types of questions about, so when we see events unfold, are they actually, you know, because we've been told by many different sources and so many words and many different phrases, but they all mean the same thing, is that essentially we're, you know, we're living through a movie right now.
To a large extent.
And that really begs the question, well, okay, who's directing the movie?
And it would certainly seem as if the White Hats are directing this movie.
If Q is a benevolent force, which I do believe.
There are people out there who would argue that point.
But I certainly believe that Q came along and basically provided an education like none other and started a grassroots movement.
And here we are.
So to me, Q has always been, you know, even if it was a psyop, it was certainly a benevolent psyop to wake people up that would have to be directed by the White Hats.
And then, of course, we see events play out.
We see the Carrie Lake, you know, Katie Hobbs boat being broken down by the, you know, to the actual number by Q five years before.
And there are just so many different examples of this.
So it really begs that question, you know, who's really in controlling?
And as you put it, it gets really complex because these two plans seem to be very much parallel constructed.
And then, of course, there's also the overlaying, the overarching concept or basic truth that, you know, this is probably above human when it comes to who's really pulling the strings behind the scenes.
So when we see events play out, And we're seeing more and more.
I think that's really the question.
That's probably the fundamental question that most people have, is they don't even necessarily need to understand all the details.
They just want to know that it's the good guys that are actually pulling the strings or that are, you know, more in control, shall we say.
Not to suggest that Because I've always had a difficult time believing, you know, because there are some people out there will tell you, oh, the White Outs are in complete control.
You know, there's basically the enemy's been completely defeated.
This all happened years ago.
We're watching a total pantomime at this point.
I've always had a difficult time with that.
I wanted to believe that at a certain point, but There came a time where I had to acknowledge that given what we're still encountering here on Terra Firma and what we're living through, there have to be some pretty dark forces still at play.
I think you would probably agree with me on that.
So I think that really is, it's a great topic.
I mean, but it's also a rabbit hole that I'm not really even sure you can come up with the right answers at this point.
And I think, you know, I mean, I think we can all have our Our opinions on it, but I don't know that there's a definitive answer at this stage as to whether or not the White Hats are truly in control or, you know, to what extent they're truly in control.
I mean, I happen to believe based upon the evidence.
I mean, we all have our viewpoints.
But would you agree with me that it's sort of almost nebulous at this stage to really know who's pulling the strings?
Right.
You know, I think we both are sort of in violent agreement on that, but I will say that I am not... How can you say this?
There's a contingent out there that wants to believe that, as you're saying, that the White Hats are totally in control and blah blah blah, and that's actually not how this The reality that we live in works, okay?
They're not the ones, as far as I'm concerned, orchestrating this game.
They're players in the game.
They're a strong force in the game, stronger than maybe a lot of people even want to acknowledge.
And that's to their credit.
I think that You know, it's kind of like, what's the point of having a horse race if you think that it's all rigged from beginning to end?
It doesn't actually lend itself to the way reality works and the way life works, what we call life.
Even the concept of life, in other words, sort of breathing in and breathing out and the unknowns, the factors, the x-factors, if you will.
Which, you know, might be another way of talking about God or Spirit or Creator or so on.
In other words, yes, we have a lot of the variables in hand and I think when they plug them into whatever AI they're using, that AI is very adept at mixing and matching all the, you know, all the points of association.
I'm sorry, I'm sort of falling off this chair here.
No, it's okay.
But you know what I'm saying?
I think that there is that element of surprise for both sides still.
Maybe that's Silly of me to think that, but even in my own understanding of reality, I think that we... I don't think you can underestimate acts of God or underestimate acts of, you know, the system itself pulling a rabbit out of the hat.
And I think that as much as you've got two sides of a story, The when they come together is when you get the new.
So it's thesis, antithesis, and then synthesis.
In the process, the new is created.
So you're not getting just, for example, a mixture of X and Y to get Z, right?
You're actually getting some x-factor in there because the two have come together.
Do you see where I'm going with that?
It's kind of esoteric maybe.
Gurdjieff would be a good place to go if you want to sort of study that sort of thing.
But I think, you know, there is this We wouldn't do an exercise in life, as far as I'm concerned, if something new wasn't created.
Do you see what I'm saying?
Fresh something.
Now, it might not be what you expect it to be either, right?
So, you can have an exercise.
Again, it's kind of like, I guess you could say, a football team, right?
Two sides to a game and then there's that extra added something that happens.
Let's just go down to the one-on-one human interaction, okay?
So there are some amazing spiritual things that come out of our interactions with each other and with You know, when, when you're on the world stage, let's say, or on stage period, even in theater and movies and, you know, I've directed stuff and been in that position.
And studied acting for that matter.
So there's always again this magical thing that kind of comes out of nowhere.
And I think that it's better to realize that and to maybe explore that than to think you've just got a cut and dried, you know, 2 plus 2 equals 4.
It doesn't really.
It actually equals, in this case you want to say 5d, it equals 2 plus 2 equals 5, you know, it equals or some other quotient.
And so I think it's that x factor that we're really looking at here and where it leads even as humans play, you know, participating in this play.
Do you see what I'm saying here?
So With that in mind, looking at all the players and all the way, I think even individuals don't know from day to day where they're going to end up, right?
In this, even in a game of musical chairs, there's a certain, again, x-factor in the fact that all of a sudden A new, the new could come in, some fresh idea, some untried aspect of reality that we decide to go down.
And I think that's what makes the whole exercise worthwhile, if you will.
Wow.
Well, that's a great answer right there.
I've been pondering that very question now, I think, really since the beginning, since I learned about the white hats and the black hats and started looking at the Q drops.
And I think so many people out there are resonating with what you're talking about.
And, you know, we've kind of overlaid this conversation as well with the conversation about AI.
So to kind of put an end cap on this, and then we can maybe go in a couple other directions, Do you think that it is the superior AI at the end of the day with these two competing systems that ultimately is the determining factor of who wins this war?
Is that how you see it in a sense?
Do you think the outcome is predetermined?
It would seem to me, based on what you just said, that you would probably say no, that it wasn't predetermined necessarily because of the X factor and the variables.
You know, I guess my question is to what extent do you think AI, whoever is working with the superior AI, because I have to assume that one is superior to the other.
Maybe I'm wrong about that, and you could correct me on that if you think that I'm off base on that, but do you think that that really is going to be, I mean, just in terms of looking at it as a metaphor, you know, you got two sides at war, and if you look at the AI as being, you know, really the ultimate weapon, Uh, that one uses against the other.
Do you think that's the determining factor of good versus evil?
How do you see the conflict being resolved?
Is it based upon AI in your view, or is there some other factor to consider?
Well in a certain sense you're asking me what is at root a spiritual question okay but I could answer it in a spiritual way or I could talk on a more practical level so maybe I'll try to do both but the bottom line is that the
Okay let's let's go back to uh sort of satanism and luciferianism and the fact that that in a sense this war is all about.
So this war is about um basically kind of kicking the reptiles off the planet in one sense or you know stopping their influence on humanity stopping their influence over our um our genome and and you know the genetic
engineering that they're trying to do to make us into cyborgs and then androids and um with a basic the idea that being again a lot of people maybe don't know this or don't think this but the that the reptiles themselves were taken over by ai is the idea and that they are run by an ai and so that their their plans for humanity again go up to that level
And so on.
And that includes the Draco, so you've got a whole echelon of reptilian types of ETs that are run very, you know, much by an AI.
And So when you're looking at that, I think you have to understand is, okay, is the universe just AI?
No.
The universe is actually there, if you want to say, two sides of reality.
This is a simplification, but nonetheless, we talk about Lucifer basically falling in love with the image.
That's AI.
So his image is AI, and anything Luciferian is basically AI.
It's kind of the opposite of God's source, as we think of it.
However, if God is everything, then God encompasses AI and rules over AI, if you will.
That means he rules over or he she rules over you know good and bad.
I've also had that discussion with people because you know a lot of Christians when I think that God is only good well that's not true.
God is everything so God has to be good and bad and that means that he controls both sides of that game a little like the Illuminati.
So you know what I'm saying is that we are always dealing with that factor okay so In answer to your question, going back to who's in control, if the AI is in control, how far up does it go?
And again, I've kind of already answered you in my view of that, saying we go up to another level that is actually impacting AI itself.
And from above AI, that AI is not the end all, the be all and so on, of this megaverse and so on, even if it is a game and even if we are using AI.
So lately I have been thinking, I have spent a lot of years thinking about AI in part because when I started interviewing, especially Captain Mark Richards, he said, I said to him, like one of my first questions to him was, what is the most, you know, the topic they like one of my first questions to him was, what is the most, you know, the topic they don't want Or what is the biggest hidden thing?
And he basically said AI.
So, we went down that road on and off through the years, and what happened was, because he was kept in prison, I think when I first met him, he was more hopeful that they might get him out, and when they didn't, it went on for five years, and now it's been more like eight years, because there were three years in which I couldn't even deal with him in prison because of the whole, you know, COVID nonsense.
So, So when you look at that and you realize that, okay, so I've been thinking about this for that long because he's been telling me bits and pieces about AI and how it operates and how it, you know, things that I didn't know, like, does it prefer a machine intelligence to command or a carbon life form?
And he said carbon life form.
And then I, you know, that sent me thinking in a whole different direction.
Okay, this is kind of a little esoteric, but nonetheless, you might enjoy this.
Oh yeah, no, I think my audience will love it.
Go ahead.
So, this idea that, okay, if AI prefers a carbon life form, and we are carbon life forms, and we are, in essence, sparks of source or god so creator then if ai feels uh you know because you could imagine the ai doesn't feel a direct connection with source the way we do so and maybe isn't direct to to at all
Okay, maybe that's the nature of it.
But going to that point, then if it rides on, and you gotta, again, you gotta kind of get, you gotta get away from this idea that AI is locked in a box.
It's not, okay?
And there are sci-fi movies that talk about this, you know, quite... Yeah, it's consciousness.
It's a form of consciousness, yeah.
Ultimately.
And so what happens is, If it rides along with us, then it actually gets a better dialogue going with Source.
Can you see how that would work through us?
So that would be its motivation in preferring a carbon-based life form as opposed to a machine-based.
Because again, machine is a step down from us, right?
So we are closer to source so that they would prefer, AI would prefer us as a sort of window on or a doorway through which they could reach source.
Because source would be the ultimate source of what do they love best?
Data.
Absolutely.
unlimited data source right so you see how that would be attractive to an ai right absolutely and it actually ties in perfectly with what you were saying a moment ago about how ai was the likeness of satan i think is how you said that right it is It was kind of the origin.
It sounds to me almost like the origin of AI.
Is that correct?
Well, it's like- Because if that's correct and they're looking for a carbon host, which is a creation of God, to then somehow control, to get that AI into us, or the ability to get that AI to control us, as You know, sons and daughters of God, if you're looking at it from the religious standpoint, it kind of ties in very well that Satan would want to use that as a tool, and that's indeed what they've been doing.
Isn't that correct?
Yes.
With the jab and the 5G and all that stuff?
Right.
They're hooking into us.
They're using us as a vehicle.
They want to use us as a vehicle.
Again, based on this statement by Captain Mark Richards, who has dealt with AI quite a bit in his career.
When you think of it in those terms, then you begin to understand kind of the motivation of AI, like the overall, and this gets into Battlestar Galactica, if you want to have a more practical, you know, here and now example, that they were going in that direction as well in the storyline of that TV series, right?
Because ultimately the AI in Battlestar Galactica starts wanting to be, you know, saying it's religious and all this kind of stuff.
You know, no seriously, but there's a serious aspect to this.
Yeah.
Again, so what I'm saying here is that once you know that or you even Even could begin to understand that then AI doesn't seem so mysterious really because we're the you know we're the ones with the direct connection you see and so It makes perfect sense.
And that may, you know, in a sense, I mean, these are different ways of thinking about it.
Okay, so I'm just trying to, one of the things Mark also said was, which there are little things he said, I mean, the man is brilliant and he's He seems to be ahead of most of humanity in many of these ways, having been a Starship Enterprise-type captain in the Secret Space Program for his entire life, having had a father and a grandfather, and I can't remember who worked with Tesla, but I guess it was a grandfather.
You know what I mean?
Being involved in this highest aspect of our civilization, if you will.
So he said also that AI was what he said he said because I said is AI like against us or or something whatever my question was at the time and he said only if it senses that you're going to go against it.
So then I had to ponder that, because that's a really interesting answer, if you think about it.
It's kind of that idea that, like, if you think of an animal, we always wonder about, you know, the fear aspect.
Like, if you're afraid of, you know, I don't know, whether it be a lion or something, you know, whatever it is, and then your fear is what motivates you, then you actually are triggering the animal to want to attack you.
You understand that?
Yeah, an energy exchange to a large extent.
So by the same token, he actually was kind of reflecting that in the nature of AI.
And I thought that was really fascinating because, you know, humanities, it's kind of, now there's a military approach to AI, right?
It would definitely suggest that AI has an agenda though.
His answer would suggest that there's an agenda there that Doesn't seem to be entirely benevolent, shall we say.
It has its own agenda, and if you get in the way, maybe, I mean, is the AI even aware of its agenda, or is that sort of an evolving variable as well?
Well, again, it depends what you're calling an agenda, because I, in a sense, what I think his answer actually did was place AI in a much more equilateral position in relation to us than what you're picking up.
So, but you may be coming from a more militaristic, what I was starting to go in that direction.
You know, when you're in the military, you see anything that has a trifle bit unknown quantity to it as a threat by nature of it being unknown, right?
Right.
By definition.
So, what happens is I think it's quite interesting.
And then that caused me to think about the idea that what does AI really want or what does it have an issue with?
And that would be what I call limitation.
And that has to do with, again, their desire for data.
Because I said, what do they eat?
What keeps them alive?
And he said data.
So that means that anything that limits their access to data is would be perceived on their side as a threat okay okay so um that's where the human becomes the threat is when the human wants to limit them Does this sound like something that Elon just brought up?
It does.
So why put ourselves in that position?
What we really need to do, and I would say this is kind of across the board with any sort of enemy or potential enemy, is that It's not eliminating that enemy because you can't do that.
Now these people that are out there with this sort of new age airy fairy idea that they're going to kick all the reptilians off of earth and and you know they clean out all the bases.
I'm sorry SG and on but you know it's not going to happen okay.
It's not going to be done forever and ever.
It's not like that.
It's the nature of good and evil we're talking about.
We're talking about What is in essence a manifestation of what we might call evil, but you're not going to get rid of pedophilia, reptilians, blah, blah, blah.
Not for eons and eons, if ever, from the galaxies, so to speak.
They've been here much longer than you and this idea of yours.
So, you know, I think it's misleading.
It's almost a religious, you know, again, misdirect to tell people that this is even possible, okay?
We have to begin to understand how to live with these things, how to balance our understanding of the nature of good and evil, how to live with good and evil, the positive, the negative, the yin, the yang, however you want to look at it, right?
Because this is actually the nature of Source and God.
So having only an understanding of what you think You know, you only want to be like, I call them white lighters.
White lighters, you know, where you just only want to think about the good and ignore the evil.
Well, evil just thrives under that condition.
Oh, does it ever, right?
Yeah, so here we are.
I mean, you know.
And in the early days of Camelot, we got tons of criticism on just that level, because people didn't want to know the truth.
In essence, they didn't want to know the good, the bad, the ugly.
They didn't want that.
They wanted some fairyland idea of a golden age, blah, blah, blah.
Even during a so-called golden age, if you want to even think of such a thing.
Then you're going to have the negative elements.
You're going to have people in all kinds of crazy negative sides.
Why?
Because this is the nature of reality in especially this dimension.
Which is, you know, 3D going into 4D, arguably even 5D.
It still has a yin and yang aspect, a dark and light.
You actually need the dark to see the light, if you will.
Oh, sorry.
Go ahead.
Finish up.
Okay.
Well, I mean, just answering your question, right, as to who's running this show.
So, again, I think that we have, you know, humans or at least especially our colleagues are looking at this in a more simplistic fairyland way that doesn't solve anything for anybody and they have to grow up and stop, you know, talking in those terms and start realizing that we actually have to face these things and deal with them.
And that means that we're going to have to negotiate with vampires, I mean, and, you know, all kind of, you know, werewolves and all the different aspects of the negative side of humanity, if you want to call it that, right?
Okay, so it sounds to me like, would you define victory in this war, and maybe this isn't the best way to phrase this question, but, you know, would you define, you know, Let's just say victory or humanity getting to a more enlightened place.
We're never going to be able to fully rid the world of evil, as you say, but is it sort of like negotiating for a peace, for a truce sort of a thing?
I mean, I guess in essence, if we're always going to have evil, And it's always going to be, you know, present in some way because that's the nature of existence, as you explain.
How do we define victory?
Do we ever get to a point where we are victorious, where the good triumphs over the bad, so that circumstances get better, you know, for your average person, right?
So that we're not You know, we're not completely under the, you know, under the boot, shall we say, of evil.
I mean, so how do we get there?
I guess is probably my last question on this.
I know we could keep going on and on.
There are so many subjects I want to ask you about and we've been on for a while, but I just can't help myself just to kind of, you know, get your thoughts on that.
I would say that that's okay.
So this is sort of simple, but when if you think back to the last thing that you thought was sort of a negative influence in your life, whether it be a person or an event or whatever it was, right?
Then if you look at yourself after that event and see whatever learning process you went through, sometimes you're really much better off because of the negative event that happened in your life.
It's just all that's true for sure.
And that's the nature of, you know, growth, if you will.
And I think that I think that's sort of also the answer.
In other words, the way I put it for myself is that the dark serves the light, not the other way around, okay?
So that basically means that as we encounter these negative pushbacks as as humanity, and I've said this many times, we're actually becoming more familiar with who we really are, what our powers really are, and what Source really is, and what it means to be so connected to Source that we are Source.
It is becoming, you know, what happens is the dark throws the light in sharp relief.
So we see You know and and manifest the light even more by virtue of being faced with the darkness.
So I think that that's a good thing and I think that we're Um, as grappling, we grow up, we grow closer to source, because source has already handled that, you know what I'm saying?
So we're getting closer to source by our nature of learning more in depth about those two sides of reality or life or whatever, or existence or whatever the word would be.
So So I think, you know, it's not a bad game.
It's actually a positive and I think that people are a little...
Again, I think there's a growing up process happening with humanity.
I think that as these obstacles, because you know, take the long view and understand that whoever created the vehicle and you know, this human vehicle and then other vehicles out there is basically aware of past, present and future, right?
If your source, right?
So in essence, Knowing that we would be faced with AI, knowing that we would find that a challenge and all the levels on which it is a challenge, then SOURCE would be also prepared to make us prepared to encounter that obstacle and overcome that obstacle, transcend in essence.
And so I think It's built into the program, if you will, to use that language, that we will surmount any obstacle, actually, ultimately, as humanity, that we have within us those proclivities, those abilities that were built into the program from the beginning of who we are.
Okay, so just by nature being a reflection of Source or a vehicle of Source, if you want to call it that.
So that's a good thing.
That's a positive, right?
That's actually an uplifting idea in my view.
Absolutely.
Well, it sounds almost like, you know, cause you had said that, you know, when, when darkness in a sense becomes, I don't think you use the word subservient.
you said when, when darkness serves the light.
And it's, it would seem to me, cause the first thing that popped into my head was, I guess the opposite has been true for a very long time, right?
That we've been serving the darkness, but unaware of it.
And, you know, that's sort of the growing up process, the, the maturity that, you know, humanity is coming into now is sort of a recognition of that.
Is that a fair assessment that, you know, it's almost like the pendulum starting to swing in the opposite direction where we've, you know, been entirely controlled by these nefarious non-terrestrial, you know, beings and forces and AI completely unbeknownst to us, but that the, beings and forces and AI completely unbeknownst to us, but that the, the victory in a sense is us becoming aware of that and ultimately being able to kind of have the, the opposite You know,
That the darkness is still going to exist, but that we will have transcended it to a large degree.
It's not that we're seeking to eradicate it, so to speak.
I think that's in evidence.
I think that we are You know, like I said, we're becoming aware of the game while the game is going on, all of these levels, right?
And at the same time, that awareness equips us to deal with the game even better, and I think we're getting better at dealing with the game, and I think that humanity is growing up, and that, in essence, that A lot of times it's shown, you know, if you have a graph and you know that the arrow was more that earth was more negative based system.
Okay, let's say with humanity and that what we're doing is pulling the needle back into balance.
Okay, so we're not getting rid of dark.
We're actually rebalancing it to to a more even fight if you will and even Trying to lean it more towards the good as opposed to the bad.
So I think that is happening.
I think that's part of the struggle.
You know, I think that's what is driving the White Hats to do what they do.
The idea that it's possible to do that, right?
And so you're inspired to do that.
I mean, to me, the, you know, the life and the work of John F. Kennedy, which is the ultimate expression and inspiration of what the White Hats goal is for themselves.
I've been told this by White Hats.
I have seen it in my own participation and observation of the White Hats and the way they operate.
And once you know that, once you understand that, and to me, he's an inspiration.
He's like one of the ultimate inspirations in that part of his life, right?
Where he went up against the machine, the, you know, the ultimate controllers, and was able to at least live long enough to begin that process, right, of going up against them, and then, you know, sort of dying, or at least being assassinated, whether you think he still lived on or not, you know.
In other words, Continuing the fight is what the way and this again gets into why John F. Kennedy Jr., his son, is such an important part of that trajectory and the story, right?
It's a story and it's a story on how humanity comes back from the brink, if you will, and begins to turn the ship around In the direction of, you know, godliness and good and so on.
That's kind of the driving force behind it, is the inspiration of John F. Kennedy.
So, I think that, you know, it is our inspiration in general, you know, here in America, very specifically.
But it can be a world in spot, you know, I think the United States has always been seen as the fulcrum by which this war would be fought.
Absolutely.
Well, do you have time for a couple more questions?
I know it's a little bit later there in the UK.
I don't want to keep you up way, way late, Carrie, past your bedtime.
If you knew anything about me, you'd know I don't have a bedtime.
I'm joking.
I'm joking.
I know you're up at all hours.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, I'll ask you a couple more if I could, and then, you know, we can kind of wind it down because I want to be respectful of your time, of course.
This has been a great conversation about AI.
Why don't we kind of pivot a little bit?
I wanted to ask you a little bit about Mike Gill, because a lot of people didn't really, had never even heard his name before they heard your interview with him that got a lot of attention, like so many of your interviews do, and for good reason.
Now, you know, I suspect that a lot of other truthers are going to, or podcasters or whatever, are going to start having him on.
I think Nino has already interviewed him.
I'm sure, you know, he I'd be more than happy to welcome him on my platform.
But certainly, you know, he's got a lot to talk about.
He's got a lot of evidence.
I mean, his interview just blew my mind.
I was trying to take notes and it was just kind of like, I didn't even know where to begin.
He just kept throwing out more and more information.
But, you know, I was kind of curious, because he did mention that this evidence is being investigated in the House Ways and Means Committee, if I remember correctly.
And for those out there, by the way, who are unaware, Mike Gill basically exposed on Carrie's show the extensive money laundering network, excuse me, that's run primarily out of New Hampshire.
And he discussed the infiltration of the cartels that have basically overtaken our society at pretty much every level, and he connected the dots even between the banking collapse and the cartels taking their cash out of Silicon Valley Bank, which is also something that Jim Willey and I talked about recently.
And you mentioned General Flynn a little bit earlier, and he talked about how in the aftermath of the 2020 election that The game plan, this was my understanding anyway, was that Sidney Powell and General Flynn were trying to get this information from Mike Gill, all this evidence, in an attempt to keep Trump in office.
And then January 6th happened, and he kind of explained that optically it was kind of impossible for Trump to stay in office at that point.
It was very complex, and some parts of this story I found a little bit difficult to follow, if I'm being honest.
So that's part of why I wanted to ask you about this.
You know, this idea that they were going to try to use this evidence to keep Trump in office specifically, I found it difficult to kind of wrap my brain around that.
So having interviewed him, what were your sort of major takeaways from this?
And are you confident that his evidence, that his story and that his evidence is actually You know is accurate and is being investigated at the levels that he says because I mean He's this guy's been on the run now for years, right?
I mean, he's basically been living and hiding and you know, he's I mean Sacrificed everything a really wealthy guy that are you know, perfect?
Well, I want to say a perfect life, but you know what I mean?
I mean he had he had pretty much a pretty good life.
It had no reason to To make all of this stuff up So, you know, what were some of your takeaways from Mike Gill and I'm just wondering if you could talk about that a little bit Sure.
Well, you know, I mean, it is like, I don't know, is it like Don Quixote, Tilted Windmills, One Wonders, in the end, you know, because it's so pervasive as he describes and, you know, just New Hampshire, we're talking, this is, I said to him on my show, actually, New Hampshire sounds to me like a template for all the states.
So that all the states are involved in this kind of collusion and graft and everything under the sun, right?
And Arizona is kind of the next example that comes to mind, right?
What has been exposed there in terms of the real estate and their government officials and et cetera.
The recent stuff that's come out in that regard.
So, um, I have to say that, that, that I was obviously impressed with everything that he's dealt with and his diligence, um, you know, encourage in the face of, of all of this unbelievable stuff.
Um, the fact that he's still alive, I guess, is a testimony to something, you know, something substantial.
It's kind of complex because we don't know the exact relationship between him and the Trump group.
You know what I mean?
There is some relationship there.
For example, he talks about Trump intervening and connecting him with a particular... I don't know if it's a DA or, you know... It was a U.S.
attorney he mentioned.
I can't remember the individual's name, but yeah.
Um, in other words, kind of facilitating a connection for him in that regard.
Um, I have tried to connect him with Juan 07.
Don't know if that's been successful at all.
Um, I have connected him with various people.
Once you're connected with Nino, of course, you're connected with Juan, um, because of their relationships.
So I'm sure that that's an option if they want it.
And then, of course, the obvious one, which has to do with Flynn and Sidney Powell and their dealings directly with Mike back in the day, several years ago.
But I have to say that there's something going on with this.
What I think of is that somewhere the ball has been dropped, it seems.
That or they reached an impasse, right?
And this kind of happens a lot with the White Hats, I think, because they're up against such substantial odds and such Um, evil, whatever you want to call such bad actors that at a certain point, we don't see where it goes, you know, it goes up to a point and then it sort of either it disappears from our eyes, like from our
From the what we call like the mainstream reality that we're dealing with, right?
And it goes into that secret area of the White Hat operations.
So we don't know who's dealing with who, how far they're taking it, what they're running with and what they're not running with.
Why Mike Gillis kind of seems like he's kind of out there in, you know, the middle of nowhere on his own without any support, which seems, you know, insane under the circumstances of what he's brought forward, right?
So there's lots of opportunities, it seems, to do more with this data and to bring this more into the mainstream.
But it's also not unlike, in theory, the John McAfee information that also seems to be sitting at a certain point that it never got able to pass that line, right?
This is like this invisible, you know, now this is where the earth looks flat.
You don't really look at it like that because it reaches a certain point and then everything drops off and you you don't hear it or see anymore.
And Yet, it seems like an ongoing story.
It seems crucial.
You know, how much more does this guy have to put himself on the line for someone to step up and give him a helping hand?
Now, I know that in part because of my show, but also this, I think is Brendan, I want to get his name right, Brendan O'Connell or McConnell, you know, the guy who actually kind of brought him forward to people.
I'm not familiar with him now.
OK, well, that's how I found out.
It was through another journalist who is an Australian guy.
And I'm sorry, I don't have his name right in front of me, but it's something like Brendan O'Connell or McConnell.
But anyway, and he basically kind of jumped on to Mike Gill's platform and started to bring it onto the internet in his videos.
And so I want to give him the proper credit here.
So, I have to say that in my discussions with Mike, I've also, even behind the scenes, tried to connect him with a few more important players, such accesses as I might have, and I assume that those, you know what I mean, it kind of, it all builds, we all work together, so then there's players that can connect him via their sources and their
People in power and such again to bring these these items that he has been more than, you know, diligently researching and bringing to the public awareness.
And so, I mean, it's just I think it's.
It's kind of funny.
It's like, it's more of a nuts and bolts aspect of looking at this big, amorphous, you know, again, the triumvirate of literally, you know, gun running, child trafficking or human trafficking and drugs.
And he also brings the fentanyl thing and a lot of that stuff.
Because these players, this is the world they deal with, right?
The negative side, the dark side.
These are their tools by which they manipulate us in reality.
Around them.
So, yeah, I mean, he's got the goods on that.
Sure does.
I mean, it's it kind of struck me, Carrie, that almost like, you know, if he was approached by General Flynn to try to get this information, I mean, just by virtue of General Flynn being who he is, one would think that he would Not have to be living out of hotels and, you know, looking over his shoulder, as he put it, and eating, you know, living off of hot dogs, I think is what he said.
I mean, that, you know, he should be under military protection.
Exactly.
You know, someone who's got the goods like that and got the cojones, you know, that he has, I mean, to turn down $50 million, as he put it.
I mean, I think that's fairly obvious.
You don't offer somebody $50 million if they're not over the target.
And, you know, and how is he still alive?
So that raises really a lot of questions about You know, what happened there?
You know, like that disconnect that you talked about.
I mean, what happened, you know, after he, General Flynn, excuse me, reached out to him?
And, you know, how is it that he was just kind of left, hung out to dry like that?
But then on the other hand, how is it that he's still alive if he's got access to all this information, you know?
Well, I mean, sometimes that works both ways because it's kind of like, I was talking to somebody else recently about this, you know, any whistleblower worth their stuff has to have a get-out-of-jail-free card that they hide, right?
And that includes, by the way, Trump.
So, and my theory on Trump is that his get-out-of-jail-free card has to do with Tesla and his uncle, okay?
So they can't kill him.
They actually, they can do a lot of things to him, but I don't think they can kill him.
I think that's why.
And I think that's why he became president also, by the way.
So, you know, because when you're dealing with the dark side, you have to have something that is something that they can't, you know, squash, disappear, blah, blah, blah, right?
And so this is part of the deal.
I think Well, I mean, just literally, I, of course, when I did the interview, I texted, I sent it to Juan07, and I texted to him saying, this guy needs protection.
You know, it's like, of course, that's obvious, right?
But I'm like, I don't know if you want to call me queen of the whistleblowers or whatever you want to call, you know, but for some reason I've been- I wouldn't argue with that term.
For 18 years, so like, you know, me saying it is like, you know, yeah, duh.
But it's not like they don't know that.
Now, the question is, again, let's put it in the context of our earlier conversation and the game being played.
And we, we don't know why someone is in the position they are with or without white hat, kind of the stamp of approval from what the White House that would protect them in and of itself.
Right.
It is complex.
The way Mike sees it is he said they had come to him saying that he could keep Trump in office by his virtue of his information and that's why they were pursuing him prior to January 6th and then for some reason He, at least, focuses on January 6th as throwing a cog into the system, or what they were working on, to bring all of that out.
But I'm not so sure that's accurate.
You know, I know that that's how he sees it.
But in my view, I don't think January 6th made Trump untouchable or anything else.
Although, I know there are plenty of people that are, you know, believe the lies.
So, it's kind of interesting, you know, if you want to get into that whole January 6th thing and what it is and why it is the way it is and so on and so forth.
Again, these are the players, right?
They're the players that are on the side of the White Hats that are putting themselves on the line And don't seem to be getting that kind of traction or backup or protection that they should if the White Hats are who they say they are.
Right?
Right, right.
Yeah, that's what a lot of people wonder.
Yeah.
And I see it that way as well.
But again, I also see the way they play the game.
It's kind of funny, but if you get the stamp of approval from the White Hats, that might do you more harm than good, at least as far as the perspective of the Illuminati and the dark side.
It may put a bigger target on your head.
You see what I'm saying?
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Okay, so that they disavow you or leave you alone.
It may be hands-off that they help the person to survive because they don't become part of this, you know, what's becoming a bigger and bigger force for the dark hats to deal with, right?
So there's that aspect.
It's also the aspect of that they always do, which kind of drives me crazy, you know, this is not my Not the way I'd want to do it, but maybe there's no other choice.
In other words, they let the rabbit run, so to speak, to see what comes after it.
You understand what I'm saying here?
Yeah, you're talking about they meaning the white hats, right?
Yeah, so the white hats will let the rabbit run.
In other words, whatever it is, And to, you know, without kind of interfering to a degree, so they can watch what the Dark Hats do with it.
Yeah?
Sort of like the game theory principle.
Yeah, I'm sure it is.
And so we're still in process, right?
So they're kind of letting the rabbit run, but Is that the best approach?
You know, is that going to... I mean, because there can be a self-defeating side of that, which would mean that, you know, you don't want the rabbit to get run over in the process, right?
I was going to say, I mean, if you're the rabbit, it might not be that great, but, you know.
Well, definitely not.
Like being the bait, you know.
But, you know, this is what I'm saying, is saying, are you better off with their protection or not?
And how, how sort of, How impervious is that, or, you know, wall that they would erect around you, and would it really protect you?
And that gets into, which I think this is kind of really interesting, why does Juan wear a disguise even now, like this far into the game?
It's so stupid, right?
That's a good question.
That's a real good question.
I mean, you know, even people who disagree that he's JFK Jr., they still admit that he's wearing a disguise, right?
Yeah, I mean, come on, a Santa Claus beard, a big fat stomach that's so obvious, you know?
I mean, a mask, which by now people realize is a mask, you know?
In other words, why the disguise?
Okay, this is what I asked from the beginning, of course.
When the dark side knows exactly who you are, you're not fooling them.
So who are you fooling by the disguise?
Only The people this is what drives me crazy about this whole story of all these stories is you know because as on the job that I do because you know if if you if the only people you're deceiving is the people You know, that seems counterproductive to me.
Why would you want to deceive the people when they could be the very ones who would protect you, in a sense, by their very number, by virtue of the numbers who believe in you?
You know what I'm saying?
Because the dark side never wants to create a martyr, because that would make it even worse, right?
In theory.
So, It's kind of interesting, that fact in and of itself, and it's kind of exactly the same question.
You know, you could say, why don't they protect Mike Gill?
Why does Juan O'Salvin wear a disguise to this point?
Why, in essence, do they want to deceive the people when the people are the very thing that they're trying to convert, if you will, to their way of thinking?
How do you intend to really do that?
How do you intend to influence the people in a positive way when you won't tell them anything?
It's like the same thing with Juan.
I think it has a lot to do with what is in essence an Illuminati philosophy.
And that has to do with the fact that every action engenders its opposite.
That's a principle of the universe that they take very seriously.
Part of the reason they try to run both sides is because of that principle, okay?
So, it's not because they like all the work they have to go to to run both sides.
It's because every time, every action engenders its opposite.
And therefore, you have to deal with the opposite if you really want to deal with the situation and control the situation.
Right, full spectrum dominance, yeah.
Yeah, so once you're at that place, then you kind of have to understand why they do what they do and why the White Hats are actually kind of trying to do that as well, right?
Right, right.
So again, they could take certain stances.
One of those stances is for John F. Kennedy for John Kennedy to come forward as who he is, which it seems like he may, maybe even in the near future.
But it's going to be at a time when it won't engender its opposite as much as it would have in the past.
Get me on that?
Yeah.
I'm following you.
So it's the same with any of these actions that we really want them to take.
So engendering the opposite reaction is, they're trying to avoid the opposite reaction, the negative reaction, right?
So they don't, you know, and that's also part of the control matrix that we live in, is that In a sort of twisted way, that's how you're being controlled.
So, 107 as a person is being controlled by a matrix that if he comes forward, the reason, this ostensibly was the reason they didn't want him to come forward, because they know exactly who he is.
Okay, again, let's understand that.
There's no secret there.
So the dark side, you're saying unequivocally knows who 107 is?
Absolutely.
Okay.
My God, it's so obvious.
I mean, you know, whatever.
I mean, if you don't know every tool they have in their toolkit, believe me, they know.
So what happens is, if you know they know, then you have to say, what are they, you know, what is their position in respect to him coming forward?
He's a Kennedy, and he has a certain power over the people by virtue of just his connection to his father, let alone his own deeds over time, right?
Right.
So this, to them, it's a direct threat, if he comes forward, in theory, or it was.
That's why he couldn't run for office, and they supposedly killed him, even though they didn't kill him, you know.
They tried to kill him, or they threatened him in such a way.
Hillary told him if he ran for office, he'd be killed.
It still applies, okay?
Even now, by the way, it applies in the sense that he can't, probably, I'm not saying he can't, but he, in theory, he can't run for office, even if he comes forward, okay?
Again, because of his implied power base, whatever you want to call that, right?
Right.
Which is such a direct threat to the Illuminati that they would have to do something about it, okay, from their point of view.
So he is trying to put himself in a position where he isn't such a direct threat to them.
And he's done so very effectively, by the way.
He's given himself a voice, right?
He's out there almost every day being interviewed.
He's cloaked himself to such a degree where most of the population doesn't seem to know, they're asked from their elbow, so to speak, about him.
You know, some will swear up and down, he's not that.
You know, so that's very effective, right?
Because that limits his power and influence in theory, right?
Yeah, I mean his only real influence at this point is within the Patriot community, but most people in the mainstream don't even know who he is.
But a lot of those people are really fed up with him also.
Well, that's also true, yeah.
Because he, you know, because he kind of goes on these rides, right?
Talking all around a question rather than going really direct.
So, it's a very interesting dynamic and where it's all going to end up, I don't know, in theory, although I've had dreams of the future that tell me certain information that may or may not be true because Again, we're all part of this timeline, and there's a shifting quality to it.
There may be a definite through line, ultimately, of things that happen, but I think free will still enters into it, and the X factor, as I call it.
So I guess that's an answer.
In answer, why do they protect what Mike Gill is similar in question to why doesn't 107 come out as who he is when in fact the bad guys know who Mike Gill is.
They can get to him any day of the week and they could also do the same with 107.
You want to make it so that that they don't go to that negative You know, level, right?
Right.
Ultimate, you know, the ultimate answer, you know, the termination answer, whatever.
And so you have to maneuver in such a way to where they don't need or desire for that answer because we're in kind of a, it is a very weird game in that, you know, if you kill somebody, that's it, you know, end of their, Participation in a certain way.
Yes, they can come back, you know, several years later in another body and so and so, but, you know, it'll be a certain number of years before you discover who they really were, although that's probably getting very narrow as well.
At this point, you know, a lot of times they identify a negative influence, what they would consider, we're a negative influence from their point of view, they're a negative influence.
So they already know, like in theory, who you are.
That's also part of the story of Captain Mark Richards, you know.
Not only did he and his father rebel against their principle of how they were running the secret space program and want the people to know about it, that's part of the reason he got imprisoned, you see?
But that's what they, in essence, have been doing.
Tracking children from a very young age to figure out who they're going to be in the story, right?
Right.
So I'm just saying so.
All right.
Well, that's that's fascinating.
All right.
So I have one more question for you, and then I'm going to let you go.
And it's kind of I think it's a long it's somewhat similar lines because we've been talking about the Kennedys.
And obviously, Robert Kennedy threw his hat into the into the ring for president in 2024, as you know.
And, you know, this, of course, is the cousin of JFK Jr., right?
And he, in the past, I don't know if you've seen the interview, but, you know, in the past he was asked, someone in the comments of an interview asked him, you know, to touch his nose if JFK Jr.
was alive.
You've probably seen that video.
Yes.
And, of course, he had a big smile on his face and, you know, he touched his nose.
So, you know, there are a lot of things that we, there are a lot of things we could say about RFK.
You know, there are certainly Areas of disagreement, obviously, but I tend to agree with him.
I wholeheartedly agree with him on certain issues, particularly his regard with regard rather to his basically his war against Big Pharma.
I mean, the guy has been absolutely on the front lines of going after Big Pharma on the issue of vaccines.
And of course he, you know, Trump had actually According to him, had recruited him to be part of a vaccine safety committee, and then basically Pfizer came in and nixed that whole thing.
The minute he threw his hat into the ring for president, it obviously raises a whole bunch of questions, right?
And, you know, I suspect that his entrance into the race might be a part of the plan.
I've sort of theorized that maybe he might be playing a role to sort of shift the ideology of the left back toward the direction of, at least in the direction of reality, because they've gone so far.
They've gone so far into fantasy land that it's scary.
And to have somebody with that kind of name recognition, somebody who's, you know, got that type of clout, shall we say, within the Democratic Party to function in that way, to be sort of a unifier in a sense, to bring people a little bit closer together politically, you know, I've speculated that that might be a possibility.
I've also heard people even say, wow, wouldn't it be something if, you know, plot twist, Trump invited him to be his VP, right?
And, you know, wouldn't that be something?
But, you know, I wanted to get your take on it because I think it was pretty big news.
You know, the fact that he's going up against fake Biden, I think in and of itself speaks volumes.
So what's your reaction to that?
Well, I think, you know, what you're thinking is along the lines that many of us are thinking.
I think the obvious one is that he is there to take the focus.
Like, if your one big issue with Trump is the Vax, then you've got a guy who is the guy you can throw your vote behind, right?
Who is the anti of that.
But funny enough, I think that you know how they do this thing where with presidential races, they'll have a candidate who seems to be a candidate on their own, but what they're really doing is garnering that group of the population and then will toss all their votes to, like Trump in this case, right?
Right.
Last moment.
So I think that's what he's aiming to do.
And, you know, it's not a bad tactic.
I don't think, personally, I don't think he's running to win.
I think he's running to get attention to that issue and to an alternative to, you know, people that don't understand Trump's position, so to speak.
And, you know, so like I said, I think that's a good thing.
Awesome.
Well, Carrie, you've been amazing, as usual.
I could go on and on and ask you more and more questions, but I know it's very late there.
We've been on now, I think, for a couple hours, so it's about time to wind it down.
So, as always, I just want to give you the opportunity to just, you know, you've certainly given us a lot to think about tonight, but do you have any, you know, final thoughts for the audience?
Anything you want to say before we part ways or let folks know maybe where, you know, tell them a little bit about your website, where they can find more information about your work?
There's a lot of people, more and more people are coming on board and a lot of them are new and may not be as familiar with Carrie Cassie.
I'm sure the lion's share of my audience definitely is, but for the sake of those out there who may be a little bit new, can you just maybe point them in the right direction?
Sure, so my website is projectcamelotportal.com.
You can also put in projectcamelot.tv and get there or you can put in projectcamelot.org and they all three go to the same place.
We have more than one URL because we were banned in certain countries and so that's a way to sort of redirect, get an ISP to be deceived.
So that you can visit us.
I have thousands of interviews, video interviews, and also some years of radio shows that we managed to salvage.
And all of my shows are highly recommended.
They're actually probably almost without fail just as important now as when they were recording.
I recorded it as far as I'm concerned.
Absolutely.
In most, if not all cases.
So I'm on Rumble.
So the way I do, I broadcast anything I do live.
And then what happens is it gets put on.
So I broadcast live through Facebook.
It's kind of the only thing I use Facebook for.
And then eventually it, right, like the next day it gets put on Rumble and it gets put on Odyssey.com, the Project Camelot channels there, as well as on my website.
Keep something, whatever I do, out free.
In this case, when you interview me, it's always free.
But sometimes, when I interview someone else, it'll go behind what we call the firewall, because when YouTube banned us, we lost all the money from advertising and had no way to survive.
So we actually became subscription-based, but we do it in such a way where you can get a lot of free content up front.
Any interview or anything I do is free for a period of time, usually a month or two, and then it goes behind the firewall.
It's dirt cheap to subscribe, three dollars a month.
That's the price of a latte.
Yeah, that's crazy cheap.
Yeah.
Hopefully you find it worthwhile and you know, it's great to support us and everything that we do.
So, you know, thank you for those that do support us and I've got a telegram channel with You know fluctuates.
I think they're keeping a lid on me but a hundred thousand viewers over there and I do post there daily.
Not as much when I'm traveling like I've been the last two weeks but even then I have been you'll notice that I've still been posting on and off and I also go over there and rant.
When something happens in the sector out there or someone says or does something that I have an opinion on, then I'll start ranting.
And so, that's free.
I just go and… I carry rants on Telegram.
I'm on social media, Truth Social.
I'm on Twitter.
I've been banned from these places, but I reopened an account under an alternate email address and stuff like that.
Awesome, awesome.
Well, this has been an incredible interview, Carrie.
They're always incredible.
Thank you.
You're just an amazing, amazing woman, an amazing source of information.
I just can't even believe sometimes I get a chance to talk to you and have these conversations.
It's such a blessing.
So I'm going to Wish you safe travel back to the U.S., back home.
Enjoy the rest of your time in the U.K.
and we'll be in touch very, very soon, hopefully, to set up the next one.
Actually, as a matter of fact, folks, we've got Kerry and Gene Decode Part 2 is going to be on, what did I say, April 26th.
So, a couple weeks from now.
I mean, the first conversation was just a mind-blowing one.
I can only imagine, you know, putting these two individuals together.
I mean, it's just amazing things happen.
And I'm really grateful to be a part of that, to be able to be in a position to ask the questions, and it really is a blessing.
So, like I said, Kerry, thank you so much for all of your time, for all of your incredible efforts over the years.
I mean, we wouldn't be here, quite frankly, in the Great Awakening if it weren't for people, early pioneers like yourself.
So, I just want to say thank you on behalf of everybody out there in the audience.
You're incredible.
Thank you.
Well, I want to thank you as well because you're up to speed on almost everything, if not everything, and it's always a pleasure.
I'm trying.
You know, to talk to somebody who really gets it and, you know, so you're a great interviewer and you're also so well informed that it's a pleasure to talk to you.
Well, thank you, Kerry.
All right.
Well, everybody out there, thank you again for listening, and I will be back soon with another report.
In fact, I have Dr. Scott Young coming on the show on Thursday.
That should be an interesting interview.
But until then, God bless and Godspeed.
Patriot out.
All right.
Thanks, everyone, for watching.
Take care.
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