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March 25, 2023 - Project Camelot

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JON STEWART: VICTOR ALIEN INTERVIEW - TRUTH REVEALED

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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Former candidate, and he's going to explain, and he has done incredible work investigating the Victor Alien interview story, and he has new information to bring forward to the public, and we're very happy to have him on the show.
	So Jon, Welcome, and if you don't mind, if you can do a better job of introducing yourself than I just did.
	Well, hello, Carrie.
	For disclosure for everyone, I refer to Carrie as my sister.
	You know, I bugged her so much in the past five years that her patience level is... this is an angel that will be, you know, that will be martyrized or, you know, she gets sainthood when My name is John Stewart.
	I'm 56 years old.
	I'm from Chicago.
	Former college high school football player.
	Became a professional wrestler on ESPN.
	I did wrestling, I don't know, for 20 years.
	I'm a small businessman, just newly semi-retired.
	And it was after an appearance on Project Camelot, I think, Carrie, back in 18, where I brought forth some intriguing eyebrow raises about many subjects.
	One of them was the Unfortunately, well fortunately for me researching it, the forgotten 1997 alien interview.
	Not the CGI crap you see that has come out in the past five years.
	This is this bizarre Very nonchalant, no production value, a three-minute video of an alien creature, a type of gray, sitting at a table, and about two minutes into the video it starts to have a medical issue where two doctors come in.
	And this video always bothered me from 1997, when I thought it was going to be something that I didn't, when I saw it on TV, to when I ran for Congress.
	And I'm trying to be very brief here because I have so much new information.
	Well, I have the bombshell.
	So, you know, Just sit back and tighten your seatbelt.
	But when I ran for Congress in 1999, what started off my, wait a minute here, was I campaigned with Senator John McCain from Arizona.
	He came in to campaign with another candidate that I had dropped out of a congressional race to help campaign with.
	And I went up to John McCain and I said, because on the bottom of this video says DNI slash 27, David November Igloo slash 27.
	I said, Senator, what is the Department of Naval Intelligence?
	What, Victor tells us, the anacronym stood for.
	And this jolly, jovial senator, folks, turned at me, snapped his neck and said, you don't need to know anything about that.
	And walked straight to the bus, did not talk to me for the rest of the bus tour that night.
	Now, reporters, which I have become, basically, I've become an investigative journalist because I want to be able to come to people like you and people listening to your show to say, I have done a job better than somebody from the New York Times.
	Because there's no way I could say, I don't want to save face.
	I want to beat my chest and say, whatever you believe, this is what I found out.
	And this is what I was told, this is what I researched, and this is what jives for me, doing my vetting and sourcing and vetting of people that have come forward to me.
	So when McCain gave me that look, I said, wait a minute, this is not a hoaxed Hollywood production when you're putting in anacronyms of a division of the military that doesn't exist to this day, the Department of Navy Intelligence, but I'll tell you how it does exist.
	And it's pissing off And turning into a viper, a United States senator.
	Why would the Department of Naval Intelligence turn a senator into just a demon?
	His eyes were, it was unbelievable, Carrie, the moment that I had.
	Fast forward, you know, I lived the life of, I lived this blessed, exciting life of a pro wrestler, I'm an automobile dealer, I run for office, for Congress, for governor, and it was at, then I started To research one other little aspect of the video, and I'm moving quite quickly here, so bear with me, which was this physiological monitor, so we think.
	One of the things that I still haven't totally pinned down to say, aha, this is what this is.
	This was this glass with a blip going this way, not this way, and it seemed to be in conjunction with the alien coughing at the end of the three-minute video.
	So I talked to Jaime Musan, who is a journalist in Mexico, very beloved, very respected here in the United States, and I asked Jaime, I said, what can you tell me?
	I know that you took this monitor video to cardiologists and heart surgeons, and he said, John, I took this to 13 thoracic cardio surgeons, cardiologists, heart doctors, who all said that blip is in conjunction with the creature's coughing and movements.
	To be able to coordinate that with an animatronic doll and somebody at the other end, and we don't know, still to this day, how you would even manufacture this machine.
	And I'll get to that in a second.
	So, this bizarre machine, in conjunction with the creature, the foundation of this being something real, Kerry, was starting to fall into place in a very creepy way.
	You and I have talked about this in the past five years.
	I don't, folks, I don't do creepy.
	I don't do bizarre.
	You know, I never was the guy in high school with the bad news.
	I hated the guy with the bad news.
	And you know, I hate doctors that beat around the bush.
	I don't do creepy, okay?
	So when a journalist from Mexico tells me that heart surgeons say that monitor blip is in sync with the movements of the creature, and a United States senator wants to tear my head off, I think I need to research this further.
	So I went on Project Camelot with Carrie with you, and you said, look up this gentleman, Andrew Burlington in England.
	Now, Andrew ghosted me for like four or five months, you know, making me work to show that I was sincere, which I found very ironic, looking back five years prior, that this testing period, Carrie, and this is some of the thing that I want to get across, like, not only just what I found, but like the drama and the journey of it all, that this testing period
	Was very emblematic and common with whistleblowers and people that were involved or trying to help me with this video.
	And Andrew was one of them.
	And it was about three months that Andrew slowly started to, you know, warm up to me in a degree.
	And I'm not gonna go into my relationship with Andrew, which kind of has fallen to the wayside, but I will compliment him in a substantial way.
	He said, John, just watch my Facebook videos.
	This creature's got skin moving, the eye socket changes.
	Now, yes, the video is very grainy, so you will see pixelation movements, but you see The eye moving, the eyelid tissue moving on this creature.
	Jaime Musan gets back to me and says, John, you have to zoom this creature's face in.
	His mouth opens instantaneously.
	They couldn't do this in 1991 animatronically.
	And this is what the alien was doing.
	Instantaneously.
	This was not possible in 91.
	And if it was, it was Steven Spielberg, hundreds of thousands of dollars of servos to make that mouth open.
	Carrie, am I still with you?
	Because I'm seeing something else.
	Yeah, I'm bringing that.
	So just to give people a brief... Sorry, I just want to show people the alien interview thing.
	There we go.
	Okay, so do you see that being right there?
	So they'll know, you know, for people who don't know about this story.
	Sorry, there's the alien.
	Anyway, there's the alien.
	Let me see if I can, I'll stop sharing that screen and I'll just keep talking, but I just want you to know that I'm trying to bring this a picture of the alien a little bit so people can get the idea.
	And so I have, you know, so I've got the heart surgeons, Jaime Muson, Senator McCain.
	Folks, I do wrap-ups a lot, so bear with me.
	I've got Andrew Burlington, who spent four or five years hyper-examining frame by frame, saying something is not right with this creature, meaning this is not Pirates of the Caribbean and Disneyland in the 60s animatronic.
	This is highly minute movements.
	And Andrew and I posed the question, why would you spend the money, if you're hoaxing this video, to put little tiny movements in the creature's face and eyes that aren't going to be seen until 30 years later until a proper examination is done on the to put little tiny movements in the creature's face and eyes And so, you know, then COVID comes.
	And a A person from Hollywood said, you know...
	People are looking for good documentaries.
	Do you got anything?
	And I said, look, this thing has been bothering me for a year.
	This is the first time in my life I've had days off without it being on a vacation because of COVID.
	And I really started to fall and dive deep into this video.
	So let me go very quickly, because I've told the story on your show before.
	So I try to approach this like a journalist.
	You know, where I'm vetting my sources, and if somebody tells me something, I'm not gonna give the stamp of approve until I've got two or three more sources.
	So I call Hewlett-Packard and Space Labs.
	These were the only two companies in the 90s that made physiological monitors, right?
	Let's go right to the source.
	If I can prove this monitor is a fake, I prove the video is a fake, right?
	Of course.
	So I get two old engineers and I asked for them.
	I caught folks, you know, in a Seinfeld-esque, you know, type of situation.
	I asked the engineering departments in the monitor section of these companies, Hewlett-Packard Space Labs.
	There's some old crusty guy there that's been there forever that could maybe answer some very old questions about monitors.
	And I got two gentlemen from each company on the phone.
	Sorry about that.
	And Both of them said, after I showed them the video, we don't know what this is.
	There is no monitor where the blip goes up and down.
	Every blip goes across the screen, whether it's pulse oximetry or, you know, EKG, electrocardiogram, so on and so forth.
	And the gentleman from Hewlett-Packard, who was crusty and, you know, ornery, he said, you know, kid, it sounds like you got a one-off.
	And I said, well, what's a one-off?
	He said, well, in engineering terms, if you've got a problem or a situation you have no way to examine it or monitor it, you would actually design and build a special product or device to help you figure out your situation or your problem.
	I said, would you build a special type of heart monitor if you were listening to or reading the heart of an extraterrestrial?
	And I thought he was going to hang up the phone.
	He said, oh, I'd absolutely do that.
	So I'm like, okay, this is, you know, no one's laughing at me.
	No one's throwing me out of their office.
	And okay, so now the monitor, the two experts in physiological monitors are telling me that that is, has not been made by, manufactured, has not been mass produced, and they don't know what it is.
	The experts in the field don't know what that physiological monitor is.
	They've never seen it.
	So are we to believe A video production company in a strip mall in Southern California has gone on and created the most bizarre physiological monitor on the planet?
	Come on.
	I mean, it's crazy.
	It's part and parcel with the alien creature, which special effects people have told myself, have told Andrew Burlington, director Jeff Broadstreet of the two Victor documentaries, one in 97, one in 2008.
	That, you know, this creature is a $150,000 five-person animatronic doll if you had to recreate it.
	This production company, via Sean Morton, who was at the offices and took part in the documentary, said, John, the Reischer Entertainment that put this on Strange Universe, they didn't have money to pay their help for the first four episodes of their series, let alone the Victor Alien interview.
	So I said, you know, so now we've basically kind of proven that the production company who put this documentary out, they had nowhere near the means to create an animatronic puppet like this.
	So, uh, you know, I, I, I'm almost kind of like dead ending it to myself, but you know, I'm trying to be a journalist.
	I need names.
	Okay.
	I want names.
	I want to find Victor because, and again, folks, I am just telling you my journey.
	You don't have to keyboard warrior me and tell me all kinds of hateful things.
	I am telling you what I experienced, however you want to process that.
	God bless you.
	That's, that's your, that's your, uh, that's your appetite.
	That's whatever you want to do.
	So I said to myself, I'm watching my dog one day, Carrie.
	I've got this Labrador Retriever, and I'm watching her in the park, and she's flushing these bushes, and it dawned on me.
	I've got to flush out, if possible, individuals that might know something that maybe, because this was allegedly filmed at S4, the Bob Lazar infamous S4.
	And I said, I have to flush out individuals, um, you know, that could possibly help me.
	So I started to book myself on internet radio shows, uh, like Caravan to Midnight and, and The Jeff Rentz Show.
	And, and, and so, you know, here's some weirdness part of the journey.
	Two days before I go on The Jeff Rentz Show, which was two days before Memorial Day 2020, Uh, 22.
	All of my red but deleted emails go missing on four different servers.
	Google, Gmail, AOL, and then my dad's email on my iPhone.
	I called AOL.
	I called Apple, Google.
	I made a report with the FBI.
	No one can explain how red emails were wiped off my phone on four different email servers.
	You know, apples shrugging their shoulders.
	Very bizarre.
	Again, I'm not creepy.
	I'm just telling you what happened.
	Two days before I go on Jeff Rents.
	So I go on Jeff Rents, sure enough, to see if I could metastasize this investigation.
	You know, put it out, give it the Oprah effect.
	Put it out more in the atmosphere.
	I got Andrew Burlington from Carrie Cassidy.
	What else could I get from other shows?
	And sure enough, I started to get an email From a person.
	This was going to be 21, right after Memorial Day.
	And his email was a series of numbers, and that's all I'll say, until his death.
	And I have the right to reserve and protect my sources, just like Woodward and Bernstein of Watergate and Edward Snowden.
	I have the right, too, to protect these people that risked life, limb, and pension and career to come help me.
	And through the course of nine months, this person, who obviously had some military background and intelligence information, was emailing me.
	Again, like Andrew Burlington, testing me, seeing how serious I was, correcting me on certain things, wanting to know What a little bit more than I knew.
	He was dumbfounded too by the whole John McCain.
	Very impressed by the monitor research that I did.
	And let's just jump forward because that's, you know, we don't have four hours.
	And on my birthday, now I'm a professional wrestler and a failed politician.
	You can find my birthday on the internet, so it's not that weird.
	But on my birthday, I got from the horse's mouth.
	And I'm like, what is this?
	And I open up the email, and folks, you know, I know we're jumping forward a little bit, but there's so much more of the journey.
	Ladies and gentlemen, I got the names of every military person who was watching that alien interview behind the partition glass.
	I got the name of the person who helped sell, who helped the real Victor, who went on TV, sell this tape to Rocket Pitchers in 1996.
	I got the names, I'm sorry, I got who the telepaths were, what their vocation was.
	Am I alluding to something there?
	What their vocation was.
	This was creepy, because for the first time in 20 years, I saw names of individuals.
	Folks, I've shown this to four people.
	Carrie Cassidy, Linda Moulton Howe, Don Schmidt in person, the Roswell expert, and I also showed it to Scott Walter.
	Linda Moulton Howell, who I'm sure we all respect, looked at the names and said, my God, you have gold.
	I said, what?
	She said, this is verbatim, you have gold.
	John, I've never heard of these people in my life.
	I've been investigating UFOs and the whole phenomenon for 40 years.
	I've never heard of one of these men on your list.
	I got the right time, Victor, or the right date.
	Victor was off by about a month.
	Of course he was off!
	He was trying to cause distance between him and the video, and doing as much disinformation as he could, and I don't blame Victor for that.
	So he lied a little bit about the date.
	Happened in April.
	Victor said it happened in January.
	He lied about who was in the room, although he said there was a ring seating area behind the glass partition.
	So, I'm a journalist.
	You know, I'm an investigative reporter.
	I want people like Harry to be proud of me, of what I'm telling you.
	So, you know, two months later, Jon Stewart's full of shit.
	No, that's not gonna happen.
	So, I took the first name.
	Okay, folks.
	Folks, you don't know.
	Nobody has ever heard of these people.
	So, yes, we will spill the names and the dates once legal has gone through it.
	So just bear with me here.
	You don't know them, so it doesn't really matter to this point.
	But let me talk about them.
	The first person, I Google him.
	He's a retired Air Force colonel.
	I'm like, well, he's retired back in 1991 when this video, this is a hoax already.
	I've proven it.
	Now I look into his bio.
	He was, after his Air Force career, he was a contractor for TRW.
	I mean, you might as well be a contractor for Lockheed if you want to be involved in aliens and Area 51.
	So I'm like, wow, not a hoax.
	By the way, his father is a very famous person from World War II, not Patton, not Eisenhower.
	But when you hear his name, you're gonna go, oh yeah, I've heard of that.
	I've heard of that war hero from World War II.
	So number one, old guy, still living.
	He's got an answering machine that sounds like it's Shady Acres Retirement Facility.
	Still living, worked for a contractor.
	Um, and that was the reason he was in that room.
	Number two, a rear admiral.
	He was an intel.
	He was an intelligence.
	Um, I You already know it's 91, so I can't give you specifically what exactly he did.
	He is dead.
	Looked like a nice, fun, you could just tell by his admiral picture.
	But Kerry, to pull up this name and see this admiral in an outfit, and no one's heard of him, and of course, it's naval intelligence, naval intelligence, you know, naval intelligence.
	So, he's deceased.
	Number three, So interesting.
	Captain of Naval Intelligence.
	A captain in Naval Intelligence.
	So I Google him.
	He's a vice admiral, retired.
	I say to myself, because I have attention deficit disorder, hoax!
	This is a hoax!
	It says in the report that he was a captain, he's a vice admiral.
	And a friend of mine tapped me on the shoulder metaphorically and said, dummy, He was probably a captain in 91.
	This report is taken from 1991 when the, when the, it was called an unauthorized viewing, by the way.
	That's what it said in the DNI report.
	A DIA department, a Defense Intelligence Agency, who runs basically S2 and S4.
	He said, John, he was a captain in 91 and 30 years later, retired a vice admiral.
	Oh, okay.
	I have a program that can get people's emails.
	I get his email.
	He's got an AOL like me.
	I email him.
	He lives in Virginia.
	We're having this great email back and forth, and I want folks to listen to me.
	I'm having this great email interaction, telling him that I've had relatives in the war.
	My godfather died in Vietnam.
	I'm trying to get bonding and relatability and how much I respect the military, and I do.
	You know, I was almost going to ask him to go play golf when I visited Virginia.
	That's how, well, folks, that's how tight it was.
	And he finally said, hey, you said you're a documentary filmmaker.
	What is this investigation you want to show me?
	Okay, this is a guy that wrote me back four times over the course of three weeks.
	I sent him the report that I was sent, which was taken directly from what I was told from the DIA computer.
	He ghosted me.
	I haven't talked to him since and that's been seven months.
	Folks, when you know contact somebody in 2023, You know, and that speaks volumes.
	If somebody called me up and said, you know, I heard as a pro wrestler, you know, you and Hulk Hogan, you know, started bonfires in the back of arenas, or I would have been like, yeah, you're crazy.
	Never, never contact me again.
	You're obviously nuts.
	And you seem like a nice guy, but you're not.
	You're crazy.
	Goodbye.
	Nothing.
	And I've talked to intelligence people that said that, that is the, That is the fallback position of most intelligence people when they are kind of in the corner is say nothing.
	And that is the position that the Department of Defense took when this video was exposed in 1997.
	Say nothing.
	And they haven't to this day.
	So that was weird.
	So I'm like, wow, there's an interaction.
	This guy didn't call me crazy.
	He just ghosted me.
	The next guy, excuse me, The next guy on the list was a doctor.
	And in parentheses, it said, scientist, question mark.
	So even my source, reading this from the DIA, didn't know who this man was.
	If you're gonna hoax Jon Stewart, aren't you gonna say, this is a doctor.
	He was involved in alien pathology.
	No, you don't send somebody this list of people and put, I don't know who this guy is.
	I think scientist.
	I Google him.
	And my ass still hurts, and I use humor a lot.
	My butt still hurts from falling off the couch.
	He is still a practicing Dr. Carey in Connecticut.
	Okay?
	What did he do in 1991?
	Okay?
	I won't give you what he does now.
	It's the same type of thoracic, you know, type thing.
	What did he do in 91?
	I looked on his bio.
	He was with the VA.
	And what did he do?
	He was a pulmonologist, someone that dealt with lungs.
	And here we have this creature coughing, gasping.
	Richter tells us that he's got a respiratory issue.
	And the doctor I'm sent in this hoax is a pulmonologist for the VA in 91.
	Does that even, I mean, you know, is that, is the puzzle piece falling into place?
	Let me continue.
	Now these are the two doctors that are taking care of the alien in the video.
	I've identified him.
	The second doctor I call, I don't call, I research his name, sorry, I google, I don't find anything on him.
	He's ghosted.
	And Don Schmidt will call that sheep-dipped in the intelligence community.
	They wipe, as best they can, a lot of your bio, so people like Jon Stewart can't find you.
	So I end up finding that he's deceased.
	Now, how could you Google a practicing doctor and you find really nothing on him?
	Does that make any sense?
	Again, folks, make up your own mind.
	Does that make any sense?
	I find his second wife, who he died, who was the widow.
	I call her.
	Very nice lady.
	I explain everything I am.
	Can you imagine calling somebody out of the blue?
	I think your husband worked with aliens.
	I would rather tell women that their husband was, you know, dressed up in female clothes.
	And I'm not even joking here.
	So Carrie, get this.
	I said, look, this is going to sound crazy.
	But I have it under very good authority that your husband worked at a facility south of Area 51 and was involved, medically, with off-planet beings.
	Silence.
	She's like, well, that's very interesting and that makes sense.
	And I went, you know, I'm on the phone going, what?
	I said, why does that make sense?
	Yeah.
	She said, John, I loved him.
	He was a great husband.
	But my friends and I, for the life of us, could never understand why he never spoke of his time in the United States Army Medical Corps.
	I don't even know what the Army Medical Corps is.
	And I went, He never talked about it.
	He goes, John, she said, John, everybody I know that from World War II or Korea or Vietnam, other than harsh combat, they love telling funny stories about camp or with other other airmen or sailors or soldiers.
	My husband never, ever wanted to speak about any, any experience he had in the Army Medical Corps.
	I mean, and then I, you know, crawled off off the floor, put myself back on the couch.
	Yeah.
	And I said, holy shit, what am I looking at?
	What am I dealing with?
	And then I get the telepaths, the thought projection people.
	Now, Victor has said that this telepath program at S4 was a total joke.
	They were one level above like 1-800 number people.
	And, um, so I didn't get the names of the telepath, but I got their vocation.
	Sorry, but that's not true, but go ahead.
	Okay.
	Well, I understand, but this is what Victor was saying that... I understand.
	Well, it sounds like he was involved in a lot of disinfo as well.
	Okay, but let me, let me continue.
	Now, and I'm not jumping forward, I'm going to go back to the report.
	Months later, Months later, I get a source, which I cannot reveal at this point.
	And he said, John, the telepath program garnered very little.
	Folks, get ready to fall off the chair.
	Except for two, blah, blah, blah.
	Okay, vocation.
	Think of a vocation.
	You know, Heavenly Father.
	He said, except for two, blankety blank, that almost, he said, John, it was almost like they heard to the letter what these beings were saying.
	He said, there are stories of these two individuals, and it was two of them, the telepaths, who would sit down in front of the alien, and it was like they would turn around and say, okay, let me tell you about anti-gravity propulsion.
	What you do he said it was he said it was he said that the the military intelligence people would would fall off their chair whenever when these when these two were came in for telepath sessions because they were just like they were like a teletype that that's what I'm trying to you know like just verbatim what the creature was trying to say to them so I found that interesting that you know that again
	I get a story of victors that's backed, and then I get a turnaround story that says, however, you know those two guys you got on your list?
	Yeah, those guys were the real deal.
	And let me tell you one more thing about, oh my god, my COVID brain.
	There was a great story about this telepath program.
	The alien would say, do you know where I come from?
	And a telepath, one telepath was a farmer, there was another telepath, That, you know, wasn't very educated at all.
	So I can understand Victor's, his tongue-in-cheek about, you know, raising an eyebrow at the program.
	However, but this is an interesting little, I guess you would call this just like a story.
	He said the alien would say, this was the problem with communication, do you know where I come from?
	And the telepath would say to the military general or whoever was there, well the creature's telling me, you know where I come from?
	I travel the far way, do you know where I'm coming from?
	Like what someone would say about their emotion in American vernacular.
	When the creature was actually saying, do you know where I come from?
	Like, planet.
	So I thought that was a cute story that You know, these are little things that we've got a whistleblower expert on the other side of this camera that can tell you.
	Those things help fill in the little cracks of stories.
	Those funny or cute or bizarre little stories that I think are very hard to make up.
	So, let me continue.
	Finish with this.
	I always felt Victor lied about how the film was smuggled out of a facility where you are weighed naked going in and you are weighed naked that yes naked your penis or your vagina is showing there's a nurse there is a a medic that is sitting there looking at you naked weighing you unless he put a thumb drive in his butt crack and I'm not being Let's drop all pretense here.
	There is no way that I always felt Victor smuggled out a CD-ROM.
	You go into S4, especially level 3 and 4, you know, like this, like the blackjack dealer.
	You don't go in with a knapsack and a bag, or you definitely don't come out with one.
	Because Victor was mad that people were bringing in personal items from their home and putting it on the desk.
	Another weird story.
	But you leave, you're leaving naked, and you're leaving with the clothes you brought on.
	So in the report, what does the report say?
	Bombshell.
	I've never told this to anybody.
	It was like Ocean's 11.
	The tape from the level of S4 wasn't stolen, smuggled out.
	It was let out.
	And the report says, after the interview, which lasted 15 minutes, it was the DNI's portion of interrogating this creature.
	According to my source, there was like a conga line And outside of the ambassador suite to interview and insert questions to this creature.
	The DNI was the last intelligence agency to insert its 15 minutes of questions.
	Very interesting.
	And after this was done, from this, I'm verbating the report, a United States Air Force policeman escorted the cameraman back to the Area 51 Groom Lake Photo Lab, verbatim, where two copies were developed.
	One copy was the master copy, where he put in the DNI-27, which when I tell you the 27, folks, you're gonna fall off the chair again.
	And he made a second copy.
	On that second copy, it was three minutes were clipped off, spliced off, and put into a government-issued burn bag for disposal.
	And it was this bag that was smuggled off Area 51.
	I'm a reporter.
	Wait a minute.
	Could you smuggle anything off of Area 51?
	We have heard.
	I know I have now talked to the head of security for Area 51 for EG&G, Bob Lazar.
	And one other person that said there were certain guards who were very lax, didn't check pockets, didn't check bags.
	And I'm alluding to that.
	Didn't check bags.
	So the burn bag was brought outside of some sort of security perimeter, and that's how it was brought out and smuggled out of Area 51.
	A man who worked for the DIA helped sell this tape with Victor, who went on camera, to Rocket Pictures.
	Who's also part of this smuggling, so to speak, is Wendell Stevens and Bob Dean.
	And Bob Dean was thought to have the full I did a film of this video in a bank vault in Paradise Valley, Arizona.
	I did the FOIA on this that the FBI raided and it was not there.
	But Wendell and Bob Dean were two people that also assisted us.
	Bob Dean's name is not in the DIA report, but Wendell Stevens is in the report.
	Here is another bombshell.
	It's from the D.I.A.
	Another packet of documents entitled, The United States Investigation of Extraterrestrial Creatures or Beings, had autopsy photos and autopsy papers, all kinds of papers and information about creatures.
	That was also somehow And I don't know if I agree with this, I believe this, but that was also taken off of S4 and onto Groom Lake.
	That I cannot vouch for.
	Because I don't know if that's disinformation.
	And I have to understand that I could be part of the disinformation.
	So now I have all of, now I've got the names.
	Now I've got to find, now it says who we believe was Victor, this person's name.
	And believe me, I'm a man.
	I can tell you.
	I have been wrong in this investigation.
	So I went, I know Victor's name.
	I know Victor's name.
	He worked for the DIA.
	He helped smuggle out the film and sell it to Rocket.
	And I know Victor.
	About four months ago, I realized that, you know what?
	Has anybody ever asked the director of the Victor Alien interview, Jeff Broadstreet, the truth?
	Is he willing to tell the truth?
	He is the only person that we know that has come face to face with the Victor that went on camera.
	And I paid Jeff Broadstreet a small sum of money And I'm not, I don't, why, why would I be ashamed of that?
	Why, why would that be nefarious?
	He is violating NDA agreements.
	He wants some financial, he wants some financial recompense for me, hopefully finding out who Victor was.
	He gives me Victor's first name.
	It's not the name in the DIA report.
	I'm like, oh my God.
	So, Thank God it was a weird name, first name.
	We knew the state that he was in.
	We knew he died.
	We knew he was alive in 08 when he said, when he came back for the second documentary.
	And there's two people that are Victor.
	And I have the two names.
	Either one of them, mix and match, it doesn't matter.
	I've never heard of him.
	He was a scientist.
	And I believe this is my theory from Connor O'Ryan, the Navy SEAL who came forward in 1990, and the tape wasn't showed till 98, who said that there was collusion.
	There was a disgruntled group of people in S4, a biologist, another military person, Connor O'Ryan, and we think one other security person.
	And these are the people that conspired to bring out information.
	And so after that, I then am on the Internet, and I see this old, archaic website.
	I think it's called the Biblepocalypse.
	Forgive me, folks.
	I, you know, I have pro-wrestling brain.
	I see an email between a guy named Major Thomas Mack, And one of the people, a guy's name I think was Rick Bossman.
	If I'm chopping this up, forgive me, but it doesn't matter because this is what the content said.
	I was the project leader at S4 of Project Aquarius.
	This dealt with any contact and any information or anything to do with alien ET human interaction.
	My name is Thomas Mack, Major Thomas Mack.
	Okay, I know you're on a roll, but can I ask you one question?
	Did you read the book by Bill Hamilton, Project Aquarius?
	I did not.
	Okay.
	You know, I gave you a huge list, right?
	Do you remember?
	I gave you a list, yeah?
	Okay, so just saying.
	Does it look like I'm a guy that does home?
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, all right.
	No, I just want to say, because that's another lead, that I don't know if it contains any information.
	I can't remember whether that book contains I'm just saying, you're talking about Project Aquarius.
	Bill Hamilton wrote a book all about that.
	This is an older book.
	This goes back 20 years at least, when Project Camelot was back in the day.
	And I'm just saying, I interviewed Bill Hamilton on a number of subjects.
	He was very knowledgeable.
	Anyway, go ahead.
	So, and I will read that book.
	So I'm like, Project Aquarius, this guy's given his name and, you know, then there's a picture of him.
	At Area 51 in the 70s.
	It looks like a summer camp with the painted white rocks and these white buildings.
	I'm like, my God, I got a photo of this man.
	And down in the letter it said, yes, I knew Captain Dan Burrish.
	And it said this, now remember, I have already gotten the names and information from the report.
	Because I've been, there was a couple of people that said, oh my God, of course, it makes all sense.
	Down in this email it says, also, there was a man, a sergeant named Rick Doty.
	He was our informa- misinforma- I know, misinforma- he was our counterintelligence officer at S2, S4.
	Okay, but some truth, some falsity.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, totally!
	Can I, can I, let me... Some truth, some falsity.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	And I still, the DIA report, I, you know, I still look at it with the one Popeye eye, you know, because I have to do that.
	I'm an investigator.
	I'm not, I don't want to pound my version into people because that's not credible.
	So now my wife, because I'm not on social media, contacts Rick Doty on Facebook.
	Folks, I'm not going to tell you anything groundbreaking.
	I'm just going to tell you because this is the truth of my interaction with Rick.
	I called up, had a meeting with him.
	I was at a McDonald's Oasis in Northeast Indiana.
	I'll never forget it.
	And I said, do you know anything about the Victor 97 victory interview?
	And he said, yeah, I know a little bit.
	And I said, well, you're going to change my life.
	Is it real or is it a hoax?
	He said, no, it is real.
	Okay.
	How do you know it's real?
	He said, well, John, let me tell you one thing.
	Um, I don't know his name, the director of the documentary.
	I'm like, oh, we're going to the director now.
	I'm like, yeah, he goes, John, I remember in circles, intelligence circles, you know, guys having a beer going to play golf that when This documentary was being put together in 96.
	That director, and John, I don't remember his name, he went full force trying to vet and find out who Victor was or, you know, find out if he was credible.
	Now, can we analyze that, folks?
	Here's Rick Doty.
	He's not telling me aliens are real and, you know, he's just telling me a story of an intelligence about the director.
	And my point is this.
	If the video company hired an actor, why is the director doing such a vetted search that it is triggering red flags or it is triggering the communication of intelligence people?
	Of, hey, there's some guy in Hollywood looking for Some guy who used to be at S2 or work for the DIA.
	I could have hung up the phone right there with Dodie.
	I'm like, oh, that's great information.
	Because everyone in Hollywood, everyone in the UFO community, everyone in government has told me since 97.
	If you prove Victor, you prove the provenance of the video.
	We find out Victor is a paid actor?
	Hoax!
	We find out Victor is some government employee?
	What is a retired government employee doing with a $175,000 animatronic hoax video?
	That's bizarre.
	So for Dodie to come out of the gate with that, you know, like hearsay, almost conversational information, really, really excited me.
	Doty said that he spoke to Wendell Stevens about it.
	Again, there's no bombshells here with Rick Doty.
	That, you know, Wendell said he knew Victor, he got the tape from Victor.
	Victor was not a nice guy, not a guy you'd be friends with, but highly intelligent.
	Doty said, John, don't quote me.
	I also heard Wendell saying that at some point, and Rick was very...
	Very guarded, like, don't take everything I'm saying, because I don't know if it's 100% truth, but he said, John, don't take this for a fact, but I also remember hearing something about, Victor helped or was a patent on extracting protein from a blood sample, an enzyme, a protein enzyme from a blood sample.
	I'm like, Jesus, this is really kind of weird.
	Doesn't prove anything type of information.
	Like if somebody asked me about the automobile industry or pro wrestling or real just off the wall, like tidbits that I would hear in general conversation.
	And then Rick Doty said, John, I have never been below S4.
	I've never been in any levels.
	I've never had an alien in a government facility.
	I've never been in front of an alien at a government facility.
	To me, that was immense credibility.
	He said, but look, I'm going to make you a hero in the UFO community.
	I'm like, oh, OK.
	He goes, John, S4, it's not S4.
	He goes, it's S2.
	And the annex to get down to S4, to get down and then go across underground to the underground levels, which are called S4, starts at Annex 2.
	Here, hold on.
	Sends me a satellite photo that some guy sent him of the annex of where people would go to S4 to get to the levels.
	The levels are called S4.
	The entire area is called S2.
	Rick Doty said, John, stake my reputation.
	Stake your reputation.
	What I am telling you is fact.
	And no one knows this.
	I am so sick of hearing of S4, S4, S4.
	The entire area is S2.
	Building to get to it is annex 2.
	He goes, you pull down the ramp, you get out of your car, somebody comes in with an exhaust tube, you go into a little office, you exchange badges, and then you get transported over to S4.
	There's one level above, and then I believe four levels below.
	And those four levels are considered S4.
	And he said, and he goes, you will have credibility in the UFO community because I haven't told anybody this.
	And this was two years ago.
	And he has told me.
	Let me say this, that Sean David Martin was just on my show.
	He's an insider in many ways to this information, and he mentioned us on my show.
	I didn't know that, and that's awesome.
	And Sean Morton, by the way, folks, has been with me every step of the way of this investigation.
	Here's one thing UFO people don't do.
	They don't tell you inside about themselves.
	I will.
	I wear my heart on my sleeve.
	There are times I was ready to jump off a bridge, metaphorically.
	And if it wasn't for Sean David Morton, who was like, he's like, John, do not give up.
	You are on the right track.
	Telling me funny stories, making me laugh, bringing levity into this, into this whole bizarre, creepy journey that I've been on.
	And so, you know, oh, don't believe Sean David Morton.
	He was investigated by the IRS.
	My dad was audited by the IRS in 1988.
	Dad's the straightest shooting businessman, car dealer in Chicago.
	Or was.
	Does that make my dad?
	You know, I lied for a living as a pro wrestler.
	Does that mean I'm a liar in my car dealer profession?
	In my political profession?
	As a human being?
	No!
	That does not... Two and two don't make four.
	So I...
	Love Sean Morton and he has been with me every step of the way on this and more than just helping me out with just Encouragement and Sean is a huge Derrick Derrick Hennessy Connor O'Ryan this Navy SEAL guy Proponent who claimed he was also down there.
	But again, I this is this is bizarre Hey, you've got all these whistleblowers and none of them say I was down in s4.
	I was at the bottom No, we don't have anyone saying that except Victor.
	You know, if you're hoaxing, if you're a liar, if you're trying to convince people.
	I'm talking about the people that I have talked to.
	I have people that have said that.
	I'm talking about people that I have spoken to.
	Nobody is this hyperbolic, oh, I've seen it all.
	You know, beware of someone that tells you yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	And so that really was the end of the conversation with Rick Doty.
	Now, you know, credit to him.
	He has always allowed me in the past two years, you know, We, the community, need someone that we can bounce technical terms off of.
	Rick is helping with FOIA requests.
	The DIA said, well, where do I send this Project Aquarius department to?
	This was the DIA.
	And I said, I was like Rolf Kramden from The Honeymooners.
	I don't know the alien.
	She's like, she's like, if you don't give me a place to send it to, well, I emailed Rick.
	Rick, what should I tell this woman?
	He emailed me back, you know, tell her that it, you know, this S2, because the DAA runs S2 out at Papoose Lake.
	So for stuff like that, it was great.
	And I am, my interaction with Dodie, was was I appreciate because it was not hyperbolic.
	I'm not saying that what what Rick says.
	Rick Doty works for DIA.
	He's always worked for them.
	I wouldn't doubt that.
	You know, once you're in intelligence, you always are.
	All I'm saying is that, you know, Dodie, Dodie, Dodie, Dodie, Dodie.
	This is all that this man has said to me.
	And he's been a very good source with, okay, that's the word, I'm sorry, football brain, with technical stuff that I would need in my investigation that whistleblowers would tell me.
	I'm like, I don't even know.
	Okay, but let me tell you right now.
	The atmosphere in which you're doing your research, okay?
	We are so many years beyond this, right?
	This is very old information, but it's great that you're bringing it forward, okay?
	And that's what they want, actually.
	You're fulfilling a certain role that they actually want to have to facilitate.
	That's why Rick is helping you.
	So it's not just altruism, okay?
	From You know, an agent par excellence.
	I am not disagreeing with you, but I'm not saying that Rick was helping me.
	What is their agenda?
	Their agenda is to start making people aware that aliens really do exist.
	Suddenly they're reversing their course and they want disclosure out there.
	They want it out there for a reason, which we could talk about maybe at the end of the interview.
	So go ahead.
	Well, I just want to say this is all that Rick Doty has told me.
	People are saying, well, Rick Doty must have sent you the dossier with the names.
	I didn't talk to Rick Doty before I got this.
	And no one knows that.
	I am telling everyone now, not Andrew Burlington, not anyone, that I was communicating with this person for nine months until I got the names.
	And then two months later, Rick Doty was contacted.
	I want to be very clear on that.
	And so... Okay, now when you say you were communicating with this person, you're calling him this person.
	Who is this person?
	Are you at liberty to say?
	I am not and I will not.
	And like Woodward and Bernstein... Fair enough.
	No, it's fine.
	On his death, I will tell him.
	Great.
	But I did tell you one thing.
	Again, let's talk about the craziness of the journey.
	I researched the email that he sent me these emails from.
	Oh, this is really weird.
	All I can say is this.
	He is on the board of directors of this facility and his daughter is an employee there.
	So I figured that, and it was funny because I would get one, one, Email once a month.
	And I know for my dad being on the board of directors of a credit union, they meet once a month.
	So in my opinion, and I don't think this is a stretch, when he went to the board meeting, he went over to his daughter's office, logged on to her computer, and sent me this email.
	Now, I've called her, and that is not her official work email, but it is an email that can be used at this facility.
	And so I, you know, there's this guy trying to help me.
	Now, Linda Moulton Howell says, before I told her, you know, what was going on, she's like, I have been told that there's six individuals from DIA that want, that are trying to get this information out.
	Now, Linda didn't know that this man that is communicating was from DNI.
	I still don't know that he's with DIA, but the report, Is from, he got it from the DIA.
	That he did tell me.
	So I find that, I find that fact, and here's a Linda, Linda Howe that heard this also.
	So there's a, there was a lot of, in the five years, one person telling me something that they heard in the 60s, that matches up with somebody telling me something, you know, from the 90s.
	Very, very, very weird, bizarre, coincidental stuff.
	So then, now, and I'm going to eliminate all the names.
	This is a very quick story.
	So a TV star on TV, past show, for a year tried to hook me up with a person that works for an alphabet intelligence organization.
	The gentleman finally agreed to call me.
	This is why, Kerry, that I've tried to come forward.
	I'm trying to come forward to Congress, to five congressmen, just to give my information, because I'm a little bit nervous.
	And that's all I'll say.
	I'm not afraid of my life.
	I'm just a little uncomfortable.
	So this gentleman from a verified military alphabet, military intelligence, called me.
	I'm going to give a bombshell on your show.
	I told you.
	Another bombshell.
	If you've heard of this, then I'm a fool.
	So he's a very nice man.
	He was not hyperbolic.
	He was not weird.
	He was not UFO-y.
	But he had very close information from aliens.
	He said, you know, One thing the government does do is if an alien craft lands, they film it, and that they want to disseminate that information, they will film a mock-up of that.
	He said, so be aware of that, that the government lets out information, whether movies or leaked videos, that maybe isn't true, but it looks just like what happened.
	This way they cause a distance between themselves, a deniability.
	I thought that was very interesting.
	I never thought about that.
	It's called plausible deniability.
	Plausible deniability.
	Thank you.
	Yes, they reenact it.
	It's the same thing they did with the moon, but go ahead.
	Exactly.
	So now, I said, would you participate in this documentary?
	I did the same thing with Victor.
	I altered your face.
	I distorted your voice.
	He said, send me the questionnaire.
	I will send it to my commanding officer.
	I sent him a very, you know, You know, let's cut to the chase.
	Are aliens real?
	How long, how many, how long have we had them?
	That type of question, 15 questions.
	I don't hear from him.
	He ghosts me.
	Here we go again!
	Somebody from the intelligence community just ghosting me.
	And I called the star of the reality show person, or TV show person, and I said, this is not right.
	I'm a gentleman.
	I do not deserve to be blown off.
	At least tell me I'm alive.
	I can't talk to you.
	And he said, John, you're right.
	You do deserve that.
	I get this text message on Signal app, which is an encrypted app.
	And I am not being verbatim, because I was asked to destroy it, delete it, minutes after I read it.
	And I do everything a whistleblower tells me to do.
	But this text message said, I have been informed, not by my agency, but by a higher up in the DOD, that you are now a cease and desist, no contact order.
	I no longer can have any communication with you.
	Your subject matter is blacklisted by the DoD.
	That is all the video, the film, the picture film, the whole subject.
	Okay, can we stop right there for one second?
	That's great stuff, but just let me tell you one thing.
	Department of Defense, out of the Pentagon, is at odds with other agencies, in particular the DIA.
	Okay, you can appreciate that, yeah?
	Yes.
	That's why they're saying that.
	Same thing happened to me, but go ahead.
	So, and I'm reading this, my hand is shaking, I'm like, this is like, This was like somebody wrote this for him.
	And he goes, please do not contact me again.
	Do not find out my identity.
	You are not to cut and paste this.
	You are not to screenshot this.
	You are to destroy this immediately.
	On the bottom, he has a code name that he uses.
	It's a literary person in literature.
	And I'm not going to say it because it doesn't matter.
	And then, after all of that, were these bizarre, I call them, like, Department of Defense, Pentagon, military, like, vernacular codes, like VVCC 5.415.
	This complies with, this is also part of the dossier, like, dossier, oh, and he said, That you are on the watch list due to frequent FOIAs, the nature of your questionnaire, and your overseas email.
	So thank you, Kerry Cassidy, for hooking me up with Andrew Burlington.
	He's the only person I've emailed overseas.
	So that put me on the hit list.
	But one thing he did say, and this is a bombshell, And if anyone knows this, then I'm wrong.
	But he claims that this is, that he told me something that, again, like Doty with S2.
	And I appreciate these guys giving me what I would appear nuggets of.
	He said, John, and I'm telling this to everybody, so, you know, you can turn up your volume.
	The new An acronym for extraterrestrials is SABER.
	Now, I don't know if this is true or not.
	Synthetic Astrobiological Extraterrestrial Races.
	Now, has anybody ever heard of this before?
	I gave it to you.
	Give me some credit.
	Now, stop right there.
	Okay.
	Yes, ma'am.
	Okay.
	I have not heard that exact thing, but I can tell you that the understanding that is now out there Permeating everything is that in the end of the day, a lot of what we call extraterrestrials are actually linked to AI, maybe even created by AI initially.
	So it doesn't matter what shape or form they take, they're all linked, a lot of them, to what we would call, what I would call, Borg intelligence, which is AI.
	Okay?
	So, and the AI is greater and beyond this solar system.
	Okay?
	So this is where, you know, there's an agreement among those people and me and certain other people like Courtney Brown's remote viewers.
	It's important to know.
	That's why we start with the word synth.
	So I said, wow, I've got something, and I Googled this, and I talked to people in the UFO community, you know, everybody from Greer to Linda Monhow, Schmidt, Sean Morton, I mean, Michael Carter, who I would like to talk about later, my angel, angel, said, John, nobody's ever heard of this.
	So before he goes to me, he got me some interesting information.
	That was about five weeks ago.
	Two weeks ago, I called the DIA.
	Hi, what is going, and I make DIA people that pick up the phone in the FOIA department laugh.
	There's a black lady that she's like, oh, I've got so many stories because of you that I'm gonna tell on Thanksgiving.
	And you know, I try and, you know, and this has worked in my investigation.
	I'm not a gotcha journalist or, I just sit there, I ask a question, I listen, I'm a good listener, believe it or not, from my blabber mouth.
	And so, last two, three weeks ago, a person named Andrew at DIA, I said, what is going on with my request for Aquarius?
	And he said, what is your name?
	John Stewart, J-O-N, spelled like the comedian on Comedy Central.
	Not lying to you, right hand of God on the souls of my children.
	I don't know any fathers that say stuff on the souls of their children.
	He said, Mr. Stewart, I've been at the FOIA desk for a long time.
	I have never seen this before in my life.
	Of course, it's Jon Stewart.
	I'm George Costanzo.
	Of course, it's got to be something bizarre.
	I've heard that in my life a million times.
	He's like, I've never seen this before in my life.
	I said, seen what?
	He goes, your name is on our computer without a file attached.
	I said, why is that bizarre?
	He said, you can't get on this computer list without a file attached.
	I said, well, what do you make of that?
	He said, I don't know, and I don't know if you want to know.
	And I said, OK.
	He said, I will research it for you.
	He said, but somebody removed that file attached to your name.
	And I don't know how they could even do that, because I can't do that.
	And there is no way you're on this computer without a file attached.
	Not two hours later, all of a sudden they find my Project Aquarius and it says, yeah, it's the second paragraph.
	Of course, I'm not being verbatim.
	Yeah, we're gonna get back to you on that one.
	Due to the nature of this information, we have to ask other departments, other agencies and conference With other agency heads to then decide where and when we can disseminate this information to you.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	So I'm blacklisted by the Pentagon.
	I'm the only one in FOIA that's got a name without a file attached.
	I am simply stating, I'm not patting myself on the back.
	I'm just trying to explain to people, what do you make of this experience?
	If this video is fake from 1997, just hear me out.
	And you've got a former pro wrestler, A failed politician, a used car dealer, that's telling everyone, people are telling me this is real, and this is what I found out.
	Why are you blacklisting him?
	Why is his name on your file, on your computer system, without a file attached?
	Who is removing this file?
	What information does this You know, this middle-aged guy from Chicago that is so scary or devastating or sensitive.
	I'm asking that as a question to your viewers.
	I don't know either, but if it's a hoaxed video, I find it funny.
	Okay, well let me tell you, John, let me tell you, part of the situation is because you're such an everyman, okay, because you're already, you ran for Congress or whatever it was you ran for, I remember.
	Congress, governor, yeah.
	Congress, okay.
	Anyone like that, who ran for an office, who has some kind of public visibility in the mainstream, we're talking mainstream, okay?
	I have no public visibility in the mainstream, okay?
	So I get away with murder, whatever you want to call it.
	You, however, This is the thing that makes them nervous because you had, not so much have, but had public visibility, okay?
	It's the same with Jesse Ventura.
	It's the same with, I could name a whole list of People and and these are the ones they worry about because when every man who is known to the public and has some kind of following like on a, you know, popularity is called popularity, even David Ike had this kind of.
	Boost to his career.
	It's popularity in the mainstream.
	When you have that, that's when they watch you the most and that's when they're most concerned because they, because you could turn other people in your direction, okay?
	So that's, it's all about influence and the circle of influence that you have.
	So whether you, even though you retired or you haven't done any running for office lately, Absolutely.
	That's the danger that they see.
	So it's fine, but it also gives credibility to a degree to your story, right?
	Absolutely.
	That's what you're saying.
	And that's true.
	Why are you taking a bucket and running out to the backyard if there's no fire?
	A couple of very interesting stories.
	Don Schmidt, the Roswell expert.
	He lives in Wisconsin.
	I met with him for breakfast, showed him the whole report.
	He has a colonel in the Pentagon.
	He spoke to the colonel about me and about what I have found.
	And the colonel said, What does this guy do for a living?
	He said, well, he and his family, they ran a car dealership.
	He said, oh, that's interesting.
	He goes, because I want you to tell this man what I'm telling you, what is going on in the Pentagon.
	You see, we're at the Pentagon.
	We are in the front of this guy's car dealership.
	We're selling cars, and we're greeting the public, and, you know, we're the face of this business.
	This is a colonel from the Pentagon.
	He said, but there's a hallway at this dealership and it goes real far down and there's a locked door and we look out the back window.
	We see trucks and people going in and out of the warehouse in the back and we can't ask any questions.
	We can't knock on that door and we don't dare open the door and we don't ask what's behind the door.
	And you tell that guy, me, that is what is going on at the Pentagon.
	We're not fools.
	We know they're hiding something.
	We know that, you know, there's something very bizarre and strange and cosmic going on behind our backs, but we can't do anything about it at this point.
	So I thought that was a really, you know, interesting story.
	And I will also... Oh, let me give you one other thing.
	You know, I just didn't go with Andrew Burlington's video examination of this creature's video.
	I am, again, an investigator.
	So I paid $2,500.
	National Geographic paid a man called Bill Mums Who did the investigation and analysis of the Patterson-Gimlin Bigfoot video.
	National Geographic hired this man.
	He's a special effects and a video analysis expert.
	Now, you're gonna think I said, oh, he said it was real?
	Said it was real?
	No.
	What he did tell me was one thing.
	that I will share.
	He said, John, that is not a foam latex animatronic puppet.
	He goes, there are no creases in the armpit.
	Now, folks, if you think just the head is shown, you need to slow down this video.
	The light from one of the doctors shines on this being's chest and shoulders and shows it very clearly.
	This is also on Andrew Burlington's website.
	And you will see under the armpits, he said, when you create a foam animatronic creature, folks, listen to me, you have to lay it down after it's hung up.
	And when it lays down, partially dried, the arms must come down on the body, creating a He said, there isn't a puppet alive that doesn't have some sort of crease in their armpit area.
	He goes, on your alien, there ain't no puppet.
	There is no arm crease, I mean.
	And he said, and I found it funny, why would you hoax a gray alien and not make it gray?
	And not have almond eyes and have round eyes.
	He said that doesn't make sense.
	He said you send in the doctors.
	They're in short-sleeved scrubs.
	They're not in biohazard suits.
	If I was hoaxing that video, I'd have them in biocontainment suits.
	Uh, totally agrees with this, this lineage of thinking like if you, this is the worst hoax ever perpetrated on man.
	You have two people in the background of the video, uh, behind the glass that all you see is their silhouette.
	Why would you pay actors and then only show their shadow?
	I mean, it's just nothing makes sense of this video.
	And that brings me to the Hollywood equation.
	I have 15 to 20 people in Hollywood.
	Sean Morton says the same thing for 30 years.
	Not one.
	Incredible human being in Hollywood, the bragging of the braggers.
	I did this.
	I was with Kevin Costner on this.
	Everybody brags.
	Not one person in Hollywood of credibility in 30 years has ever come forward, has ever sat at a pool party, has ever sat at an award ceremony.
	I did the catering on that alien thing.
	Yeah, you know that alien?
	I did the spray paint.
	I was one of the animatronic people working the controls.
	You know that little physiological box?
	I made it.
	I did the accounting for no one.
	Folks, no one.
	30 years later, no one with any credibility has ever come forward.
	I'm to the point where I gotta stop my investigation because I can't find the devil's advocate.
	And this brings me to last week.
	Now, I'm sure we have all heard about reverse speech.
	I think his name is David Oates.
	I happen to believe in reverse speech, that it does give you a glimpse into the subconscious.
	I'm going through YouTube and I see 1997 alien interview victor analysis.
	I'm like, oh shit.
	Here we go.
	This is it.
	We're gonna get reverse speech.
	I am fake.
	You know, this is a fraud.
	Puppet.
	Something like that.
	Okay, this guy has busted... No, I'm not saying he's right, but this guy has called into question on reverse speech David Lazar.
	Hoagland.
	Robert Hoagland.
	Bob Lazar.
	Mars guy.
	And yeah, Robert Hoagland.
	And also the blonde hair guy who's always on.
	David Wilcox.
	I am pulling shit out of my, from my football brain.
	I can't believe I remembered that.
	So he has tried to allude that not everything these people saying are true.
	I click on the Victor video.
	I'm like, this is it.
	Five years, you're, and not that I have a stake in it, but you know, I tend to believe that this is completely legit from everything I've experienced.
	And I have vetted my sources and my information.
	What does he say?
	He reverses Victor's speech, and it's, they're from the Pleiades.
	Um, I'm nervous.
	Or he alludes to the fact that Victor is very uncomfortable.
	The treatment of the aliens, some kind of reverse speech of, of, of, about the treatment of the aliens.
	And he says that, that in, in, after, when the video is done, that it is in my expert opinion that Victor was 100% telling the truth about this alien figure.
	So, Cool.
	I can't find anything anywhere from Hollywood to government to whistleblowers to reverse speech to video experts.
	Anyone of any credibility that says, oh no, no, no, that was fake.
	I've got the dates right.
	I've got a facility of nomenclature correct.
	I've given you the new name.
	I mean, I think this is great.
	I think we ought to put this everywhere.
	The new name.
	So, according to this guy, if I start telling, if we start talking about this SABRE, an acronym, that this is going to make people do head spins at the Pentagon, like, oh, the info's out.
	I don't know if that's true or not.
	But yeah, the designation SABRE.
	So, you know, I am happy to report, and yes, Yes, if you give me time and we work through the legal, I will give you all of the names of everyone behind that partition.
	I will give you Victor's name.
	I will give you the DIA employee that helped smuggle it out of, helped the cameraman smuggle it out of Area 51.
	I'm going to give this to you, but I'm here to tell you, you have never heard of them.
	And it will be a little anticlimactic.
	There is no Stanton Friedman.
	You know, there is no, um, You know, Bob, there is no one on this list any of us have ever heard of, unless you're a relative of them.
	And so that, you know, I don't want to say, like, this is big bombshell that's going to happen.
	I'm going to show you the names.
	And we will, you know, I don't want people going to these doctor's office.
	I don't want people going to the condominium of this vice admiral.
	So we are trying to work that out.
	I can tell you.
	All right, well, let me say this though.
	This is a little bit cautionary because you're coming on my show.
	We're talking about this.
	I think you did this on another show, right?
	Recently?
	I I did what?
	I talked about?
	Yeah, but I did not mention Sabre.
	Okay, I don't know what show it was, but doesn't matter.
	I'm just saying.
	The thing is, though, now that you've come out and you've said this, and now you're saying you're going to put the names out, that's actually not a little, not kind of smart to say you're gonna do this.
	You should be doing it and walk away.
	Putting yourself in danger when you say you have something that's explosive, because these people have homes and families and hold the rigmarole, and it's dangerous to put yourself in that kind of position.
	So I just want to caution you.
	You said that on my show.
	I'm giving you the option.
	You don't want to have a time delay because what's more likely is you'll never live to tell the tale or they'll just they'll interfere you with you in such a way that you won't make it to reveal the names.
	I want to speak.
	If the names are really real unless they're fake names but go ahead.
	Okay, well, they're names that are attached with real people, so I don't know why somebody would pick such innocuous names.
	Why somebody would pick someone who wasn't in the military as the first name, but became a contractor.
	How someone uses the ranks in 91, not the ranks in 2023.
	But I have sent the names to you, Linda Moulton Howell, Don Schmidt has them.
	I have four law firms that have these names.
	So it is out, you know, if I can't ever tell the names, there are many people that have the full report of this and the names.
	Two of the law firms that have names, I went to in such secretive that I took an old car without my cell phone.
	So, you know, I have taken steps That I have taken, that people could have, you know, some kind of a dead man switch, that people could also tell the report of who these people were.
	But more importantly is, they're not anyone famous.
	They're not anyone that will be, it's just regular military people.
	Yeah, but that doesn't make it better.
	That doesn't, I think you get this wrong a little bit.
	Just to say, it doesn't make it better that they're not famous, it makes it worse.
	Do you understand that?
	Yes, yes, that could be true.
	Okay, I'm just saying.
	Now, I don't want to put... Okay, why are you bringing the names forward?
	Let's talk about that.
	Because I'm a little nervous, yes.
	What's the point of the names, okay?
	The point of this is that proving that the Victor video is the first really accurate portrayal of an actual ET on film with provenance, with names, with dates, with facilities, with people over decades cross-referencing and cross-checking with people over decades cross-referencing and cross-checking and cross-backing other statements.
	That is the point.
	The point is, I have proven that the United States government has had a retention and interrogation program with extraterrestrials.
	And I have proven that this video shows an actual extraterrestrial. - Okay.
	Okay.
	Because everyone told me!
	That's good, that's good.
	I mean, okay, in my world this has already been proven, but in your world it's not, and you're, because it's a mainstream kind of thing, I appreciate all of that.
	So let me go back to an email you sent me and review a couple things with you, okay?
	Because I think you've got some interesting statements in here, and I also want to draw people's attention to the article that you got published, okay?
	I put it on my telegram, this was a week or two ago, And it's there, but I'm going to show it on the screen here in a minute.
	But first, I want to go through this situation because it's a very interesting thing.
	So Senator Marco Rubio and Kirsten Gillbrand have ignored your emails and letters requesting what you called whistleblower protection, correct?
	Is that still correct?
	That is afforded to in the 2023 NDAA legislation.
	Okay.
	Are you saying that's correct, what I just said?
	Are you saying it's correct that they've ignored your emails?
	Because this is important.
	Because Marco Rubio has been a person who has been mentioned, for instance, in regard to Mark McCandlish, who is another whistleblower who actually was killed in a fake killing where they said he killed himself with a rifle of all things.
	And they killed him, okay, to shut him up because he contacted Marco Rubio and tried to get the Senate Intelligence Committee to consider his testimony with regard to what's called the ARV, etc.
	So, the fact that you mentioned him, and you contacted him, and he's done nothing, but he is on the record, strangely, as a person who wants to get this Senate Intelligence Committee to consider the alien question, supposedly.
	Supposedly!
	Now, why would a person like that, who's supposed to be a proponent of this disclosure, ignore you?
	It's very interesting.
	Any ideas?
	Well, let me continue with that.
	And this is going to enrage your viewers.
	I hope it does.
	They should if they're Americans.
	Or if they have any type of propriety with government.
	Representative Mike Gallagher of Wisconsin was the person that introduced the whistleblower amendment.
	So you have a congressman saying, I am going to introduce legislation to help people come forward.
	I drove to his office.
	I handed just the letter saying that I have information on this project.
	I just want to get this on record.
	I never told him what I was—he didn't know if I was examining people on Mars or a UFO or whatever.
	It was just a query letter that said, my name is Jon Stewart.
	I ran for governor in Congress.
	You are the person that put forth the whistleblower legislation.
	How do I go about doing this?
	Never called me back.
	I talked to his staff three times.
	Never.
	Why would you put this forward and then not have the information to call this person back?
	The same thing with Rubio and Gillibrand.
	They're out there.
	They were just out there two weeks ago.
	We have this whistleblower amendment and we're gonna have people coming forward.
	And you call their office, they don't know the email, they don't know the contact information of this new, it's called the All Anomaly Domain Resolution Office, headed by Dr. Rickards.
	And nobody knows the vote number, the address, the email, just typical ineptness of Congress.
	Now, Tim Burchett, Congressman for Tennessee, has anyone seen what he said in Newsweek in February?
	He said that there's aliens.
	We've reverse-engineered craft.
	This is in Newsweek.
	I call his office.
	I talk to a person.
	Newsweek won't tell you there's aliens.
	You know, all these people... So I called this man.
	I called this congressman.
	I talked to his desk.
	Talked to me for 20 minutes, Mr. Stewart.
	I'm going to forward this.
	We're going to get you the email.
	We're going to get you the contact information.
	All I'm asking, like I did when my emails were stolen with the FBI, could you give me a website and I can say, look, There was a film, the D.A.A.
	tagged it as, called an unauthorized viewing of an actual extraterrestrial.
	I happen to have about 99% facts or stories and proof that this was real.
	I just want to get this on the record, because someone from the Pentagon said, don't talk to this guy anymore.
	And that made me a little nervous.
	I'm not looking for a grandstand or congressional hearings.
	You know, this film has been out for 30 years.
	But that should piss you off that six members of Congress who are out there.
	Oh, I'm the alien killer.
	Ah, you come to me when you whistleblow.
	Okay, I've come to you.
	I've come to you like a statesman who ran for governor, not some kid in his mom's basement on a Corona manual typewriter, chain-smoking, typing manifestos.
	I'm a gentleman.
	I'm a businessman.
	You know, and I am coming forward with this information, sorry, and they have all ignored me.
	They don't even call me back to even find out what my information is.
	So, that should really piss people off.
	And I'm not stopping till I get an article in a newspaper.
	This was American Thinker.
	They're highly regarded.
	Very conservative website, read in Washington, D.C.
	I thank God for them letting me tell my story, but I'm going to continue forward for someone to put this in actual print media.
	And so we are working on that now.
	Just to simply get my story across that, I got to the top of this Mount Everest called the Victor Alien film.
	We've proven it.
	We know who Victor is.
	We know the provenance.
	We know the record of the theft out of Area 51.
	And again, I have said this on every video, and I know military people are listening.
	I have nothing but respect for the military.
	My godfather died in Vietnam.
	My great-uncles were in Vietnam.
	My dad was in the Navy.
	My dad actually worked in the squadron where John McCain trained on fighter jets, if that's not weird enough.
	I don't think any colonel in the Air Force grew up as a five-year-old to be locked in an underground facility examining off-planet creatures and keeping this secret for the rest of her life.
	I don't think that's a dream of anybody in the military, in my opinion.
	So, I just want to say that I respect the men and women, contractors, military employees, you name it, who have had to keep this secret to themselves for all these years.
	You, in a bizarre way, are heroic to some degree.
	That this secret was forced upon you.
	I am simply here to say this is the most obvious situation in America.
	We all know that beings from other civilizations, planets, dimensions have come here.
	Can't we just frickin' come out of the closet?
	That's all I'm trying to do is help the government come out of the closet in regards to this alien phenomenon to say, look, we're not going to tell you everything.
	We can't tell you everything.
	And I want to make a comment on that, too, before I leave.
	But yes, we have, just like Congressman, if I'm in trouble, then they're definitely going to kill Tim Burchard, because Tim, Congressman Burchard of Tennessee, said in Newsweek a month ago, we have alien crap, we reverse engineered it, and we've had alien bodies.
	So he's as much in trouble as I am.
	So it is obviously that Yeah, they don't like uh, they don't like congressmen or women or people that have run for office to to actually come out and say this stuff.
	Okay.
	No, that's I appreciate your article.
	Can you see the screen right now?
	Yes, I can.
	Yes, ma'am.
	This is my telegram channel.
	This I it's already on there, but I put it on there again.
	It's got a nice picture.
	I don't know where you got that, but it's quite a nice picture and it shows your article all American thinkers.
	Yeah, so if you people who are watching Can get the interview quite quickly.
	That was not an interview, but the article.
	So that you know where it is.
	It's on my telegram channel, which is called Project Camelot.
	And you can also go to my website to get the link and just go directly over there.
	So, okay, so we've got that.
	Let's talk about this situation, because these people, when they go on grandstanding, like Marco Rubio, he's actually gone on the record several times, supposedly trying to encourage so-called, what we call disclosure, for lack of a better word, right?
	Which is getting the truth out about the alien situation, which I do every day of my life.
	But I'm a frigid person, you know what I'm saying?
	And other people who are in the know, like Sean, Sean David Morton, who's written, I just had him on my show last week, thank God he's recovering, and he talked about his books, all about the beginnings of Area 51, etc, etc, and who ran it, and so and so.
	So let's really deal with this because I want to make sure that you are known so they will not mess with you.
	You see what I'm saying?
	The more you're known, this is just a premise of Camelot, Project Camelot, we always say the best place to hide is out in the open.
	You've got to be out there and that way it's less likely they're going to knock you off.
	It doesn't mean they won't but they still it's it's difficult for them because you might become a martyr and you might draw more attention by knocking you off by then by letting you speak and then try to discredit you and make you crazy, right?
	Now, the other thing is that everything you said is very well backed up.
	I hope you have more, like, more than this article, because the article doesn't really reveal what you've just talked about here on the show.
	Right, no, of course, yes.
	Okay, so what would be really nice, do you even have a website?
	I don't know.
	Not yet, but we are developing one.
	It's to the point where people are like, you're not on social media!
	I thought you also had a television show coming out, no?
	Well, that's the documentary that we are currently producing.
	And I, can I say something about that?
	I want to personally apologize to anyone that has emailed me, written me, called me, texted me for the past five years.
	I had no idea the glacial speed of Hollywood is so slow.
	And I've been telling people the fall, it's coming in the spring.
	And I just want to say, I walk my talk.
	I try and be a gentleman.
	I'm manning up.
	I am sorry for Maybe misleading people that this documentary was coming.
	It was coming.
	We are in this phase.
	We are trying to sell this to Netflix or Hulu.
	And that process, the creation of what's called a sizzle or promo reel on all of this, and going through legal.
	You know, think about this.
	Who does this tape belong to?
	Not Victor's testimony at Rocket Pictures.
	Who owns that three-minute tape of that creature?
	Now, if the government sues us, well then they're admitting that it's their tape, that they filmed it.
	So, interesting legal question there.
	There's a lot of legal footing that we're also, so I just, I'm just taking a point to say, I apologize to everyone that I said, oh, next, don't worry, keep waiting, keep waiting.
	I'm going to tell you, keep waiting, but it's going to be very soon.
	If I have to do this on my own, sitting in a studio with B-roll and pictures, that's what I'm going to do.
	That's what I'm going to do.
	If I can't move this project to streaming service like Netflix and Hulu, where the majority of people will see it, or Amazon, and that's the whole point is to bring this there.
	Look, let's give the government a little bit of a... Look, I know people that will finance They're not here right now, but I imagine they might watch this, who would be volunteering to finance such a thing with no problem whatsoever.
	That'd be great.
	There are a lot of vested people out there who have a vested interest in the real truth coming forward, and they will finance your effort.
	Can I talk about the people that don't know?
	This is done on Pro Wrestling.
	Well, If I'm not honest with you, then your viewers are like, this guy's full of shit.
	So, I'm not throwing anybody under the bus here.
	I am not throwing anybody under the bus.
	But I would like to tell you, just for fact, who ignored my emails.
	Hi, my name is Jon Stewart.
	I'm a former candidate for governor.
	Four years ago, I decided to research and do an investigative documentary on a certain government project.
	I would simply like to share my investigation with you, since you are a member of the UFO community.
	Now, if you get that letter, are you at least going to respond to that guy and say, hi, yeah.
	Okay, who ignored this letter?
	Many attempts.
	Bigelow.
	Dr. Dr. Keller, Colm Keller.
	Robert Bigelow's assistant.
	Very nice guy.
	Politely.
	You know, it's like W.C.
	Fields in the old movies.
	Get away, kid.
	You bother me.
	George Knapp.
	There you go.
	Why would George Knapp not write me back and say, John, I got five minutes.
	Let's go.
	Jeremy Korbel.
	Yeah, you know why?
	Because both those guys are CIA.
	I don't give a shit.
	Well, they want to be on top of the mountain with this.
	They want to be the Jon Stewart.
	I've proved S4 and S2.
	That's what I've been told.
	I'm sure they'd like to talk to you.
	Yeah.
	Maybe it's their assistants.
	Maybe they don't know about you.
	Oh, I have George Knapp's email.
	I think it's strange, but after this video, believe me, these people are going to know about you.
	They're going to want to jump on your bad man wagon.
	Can I tell the viewers this?
	I'm not trying to be... I'm the guy in Mount Everest.
	I said to myself, like I did where I started off four years ago with you, whatever I find, I want to bring to the UFO community.
	I want to engage them.
	I want to be the guy that says, where people say, oh, Jon Stewart, good guy.
	Oh, he writes me every other month.
	Tells me he found this, he found that.
	I don't want to be the guy that hoards this information.
	To me, there is no credibility if I hoard all of my information.
	So, that is all I have simply tried to do.
	Is contact these people amongst on the fringe, the periphery of the UFO community to say, Hey, my name is Jon Stewart.
	I'm a former politician, failed politician, but here's what I discovered.
	I would just like to share with you.
	And to outright ignore me like that is, is, um, I don't know that that's just not good sport.
	And so I just wanted to mention those.
	Anybody else that you want to add to the list?
	No, I think it's good.
	I have colleagues that you're not mentioning.
	Miss Area 51, who wrote the book, who knows everything about Area 51, Annie Jacobson.
	Okay?
	I'm not saying anything about her.
	Hi, aunt.
	Late at night, about eight o'clock at night.
	Annie, my name is John Stewart.
	I'm a former politician from Chicago.
	I did a five-year journalistic integrity investigation.
	Yeah, because you know why she got the access she got?
	These people are on the team, okay?
	They get... Must be, because they ain't calling me back.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, Annie Jacobson doesn't want to say, I'll give you five minutes, what do you got?
	Look, I know the names just as well as you do.
	Go ahead.
	Who else?
	One person that did get back to me, took the information, not took the information, but at least said, give me, I'll give me five minutes.
	Steven Greer.
	I don't know what people, I appreciate that at least, Picked up the phone and talked to me.
	I was very shocked that the dark-haired guy with glasses, he's got the same agent I do.
	He was the one that interviewed the portly gentleman dying from kidney disease about who Eisenhower sent to ask him.
	Richard Dolan!
	Hello!
	Richard Dolan ignored me.
	Rich!
	Come on!
	They're on the team.
	Well, then you're telling me something.
	Folks, listen to her, because everyone I'm talking about is on the team.
	Who doesn't call me back?
	So, Richard Dolan was a no contact.
	Clayton Morris from Redacted, that's got a website.
	I must have sent him 15 emails.
	Joe Rogan.
	Joe Rogan has said 10 times, where is somebody that can tell me anything about this fool?
	That's four.
	I wrote Joe Rogan five emails.
	His assistant never called me back, never wrote me back, with a simple, just tell me what you know.
	But they do have an out.
	They can all say, we didn't see the email, very sorry, now we'll talk to you.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah.
	That's okay.
	I don't care if they get an out, but people are going to, okay, and people who are smart are going to keep the list.
	I just want to tell people that basically The who's who that people would know that have not returned my emails or calls, which I think is not good sport.
	And I just want to say that one thing I want people to say behind my back, that guy tried to include everyone on what he found out.
	And don't, I don't want to let, I don't want anyone ever to say that I did it.
	Yes, I'm holding these names for a couple of weeks or months and whatever, but I try to include everyone in this process.
	So I just don't want anyone to say that I did it.
	And that's really important.
	Let's continue this a little bit further.
	A few more names, anyone who ignored you.
	Cause I, I wanted it on the record because you know, I, I don't go out targeting people, but I do.
	I'm so fed up with my colleagues that are so two-faced and so on the team and so, you know, continue.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, well, let me take a break.
	Who were the angels?
	Michael Carter, who's been on History Channel and in Ancient Aliens.
	He's like my concilier of this whole project.
	He has been awesome.
	Well, let me just say, just because somebody talks to you doesn't make them an angel either.
	But you have your own definition.
	Okay, I just want to say... Someone that helps me and encourages me.
	...so that they can just, you know, put you on the sidelines.
	But go ahead.
	Mary, and I call you an angel, too, because I have texted you where you saw that I was in a deep hole.
	I was in this depression.
	You're one of these angels that have just given me a little bit of encouragement.
	I'm a former athlete.
	All you gotta do is give this horse a kick in the ass, and I will start running again.
	So, you know, you, Michael Carter, Don Schmidt, Stephen Greer, Linda Moulton Howell, Sean Morton, It's just been wonderful, wonderful to me with, you know, listening, giving little tidbits, little pieces of information or a lot of information.
	I gave you a long list.
	What about all the list I gave you?
	Did these people talk to you or not?
	Well, I called many of those people on the list.
	Some of the emails, I wrote you, some of the emails did not go through.
	One person I did get hollered at, I'm 56 years old, I got like snapped at on the phone was Colonel John Alexander.
	Oh, that's no surprise.
	I know, I approached him the wrong way.
	Colonel, I'm sorry, I don't know if you were going to play golf or something, and I hit you at the wrong way.
	Please don't kill us.
	He yelled at me.
	No, he was nice to me, but he was just very curt and, you know, called me kind of crazy.
	You gotta understand which side of the road they're on.
	It's all good.
	Okay, so let's move on.
	I, again, want to get back to this list of names because I'm a little concerned over it.
	When you bring individuals who are not known to the public forward, it can be an issue.
	Okay, so why do you have this list?
	What are they responsible for?
	Can we say that?
	We don't have to use it.
	I'm sorry.
	What are they responsible for?
	Thank you.
	You know, I talk so damn fast sometimes.
	The list was the men in the viewing gallery who are watching the alien interview behind the glass partition.
	So they were there?
	Ambassador Suite No.
	1 in S-2.
	Well, that was the thing I wanted to bring up.
	In below S2, in Ambassador Suite 1, with a biocontainment level of 2.
	Very low.
	Let me say one thing else.
	Whatever way you think of Dan Bursch, who I spent an afternoon in Las Vegas, going to 15 apartment complexes, trying to find Captain Dan.
	My wife thought I was crazy.
	Anyway, Dan Burish gave detailed schematics of S4.
	Rick Doty said, John, I'm going to tell you what, this is the fourth and last thing Rick Doty told me.
	That interview was not done at the underground facility at S4.
	That interview was done at the alien housing complex beneath the A2, the S2 annex.
	I'm like, Rick, that's, everyone says it's S4.
	I go get the schematics from Dan Burish, but I'm saying how one person backs up another person who never met.
	Dan Burish gives the fourth level, well, okay.
	No, they know each other.
	I mean, come on.
	They know each other.
	These people go way back.
	Okay, however.
	Fair enough.
	Prove that or not prove that.
	When I go to Michael Schatt, who did the schematics of Dan Burrish of the bottom level of S4, where the interview took place, there is no interview suite.
	There is no interview room.
	So Doty did tell the truth.
	From what I have seen, that this interview took place under Annex 2 at S2.
	So, just a little story where two things kind of merge together that possibly could tell the truth.
	Just an ancillary... Okay, so these men were the men watching this film of this alien creature.
	This is the names of the men, the police officer, the camera... They were there in person is what you mean.
	In person, yes ma'am, sorry.
	Okay, because there can be countless people that saw it on film, right?
	I have a question about a couple of players in this sort of arena.
	So what about Christopher Green, Dr. Christopher Green?
	Emailed him twice.
	This is If I don't inject humor, then we all just should go home.
	I call Wayne State University, the department that he is a professor in or teaches in, and she said, no, Dr. Green's not here.
	And who am I calling?
	I'm like, my name is Jon Stewart.
	I'm an investigative filmmaker.
	She's like, well, what is the nature of this?
	I'm like, well, What are you going to tell the secretary that Dr. Greene's worked with aliens or saw information from the CIA?
	I don't know.
	You probably know, absolutely.
	This guy is famous, okay?
	Maybe not the outside secret, but he's super famous.
	He was shown information by the CIA and I just want to ask what he thought about her and if he could see my film.
	She's like, are you kidding me?
	I'm like, oh god.
	Anyways, I finally got a hold of Dr. Green.
	He sent me a video.
	Again, this is all I expected.
	He sent me a very nice collegiate statesman email.
	Mr. Stewart, I've been out of this game a long time.
	I'm really not... Well, I'm just telling you what he said.
	No, I'm sorry to laugh.
	I can laugh.
	Like, I'm sorry.
	I have an opinion.
	Go ahead.
	Right.
	No, no.
	Absolutely, Terry.
	Absolutely.
	And he said, you know, I've been out of the game a long time.
	I'm sorry I cannot help you.
	I appreciate you reaching out to me.
	Another person that was very helpful to me, Dr. Hal Puthoff.
	That was my next stream.
	Yeah, Dr. Hal Puthoff was, I'm not saying he spilled, but I asked Hal Puthoff, did Victor, the name of Victor, work for him?
	No.
	Does he know him?
	No.
	I showed, I discussed at length the physiological monitor in the room.
	Dr. Hal Puthoff thought that was, agreed with me that it was bizarre.
	He himself had never seen a blip that stays up and down.
	He was very, Very gentlemanly to me.
	I must have emailed Hal about five times.
	I always got an email response.
	Dr. Hal, if you see this video, I think you helped me bring a sense of dignity and seriousness to the subject matter from someone that I never thought would bother to communicate with me.
	So, yeah, so those two gentlemen did email me back and Dr. Puthoff emailed me back four or five times, and I'm very proud of that.
	Okay, very good.
	All right, so, you know, it's good because you've touched a lot of these bases, okay, with what we call the usual suspects.
	Of course.
	That's a great statement.
	It's interesting that you're saying you don't think the people that were there in the room are known.
	That's interesting.
	Okay.
	Now, you said you shared the list out there that it's out there with your lawyer.
	You did say that, right?
	Three law firms.
	You, Linda Howe, Don Schmidt, and two production companies.
	I haven't looked at the list.
	I don't know when.
	I emailed it to you.
	I know.
	I understand.
	I texted or emailed it.
	Okay, fine.
	I'm just saying I haven't seen the names so I, you know, because I so much email, it's just impossible.
	So I might have, you know, maybe it's there.
	I'll look.
	I'll look and I'll get back to you if I see anybody I recognize but It doesn't matter if we recognize their names, in a sense.
	I've got one last bombshell whenever you're ready.
	Let me ask you another question, though, before we go.
	You have told me there's a list of people who witnessed this and would have an opinion, yeah?
	And it probably is not something they would forget, yeah?
	So, my question to you is, I know you're a very busy man, you've done a lot of investigation.
	Did you or did you get anyone together, like a team, to go through the list and phone these people or write to them?
	I did!
	I was the guy that did the list.
	I sat right down as soon as I got it on my birthday.
	I sat down, started Googling.
	I found every person on the list.
	Found them.
	I actually found the... I found them!
	And again, I want to know.
	I want to let you know.
	I left messages on the first person who worked for TRW, who was a retired colonel in the Air Force.
	I talked to the widow of one of the doctors that's touching the creature.
	The other doctor's office will not return my phone calls.
	He's practicing in Connecticut.
	I'm talking about the witnesses.
	I appreciate all that.
	But you see what I'm saying?
	My question is, I'm talking about the list of witnesses.
	Okay.
	You understand what my question is?
	Did you contact those people?
	Okay, what witnesses are you talking about?
	The witnesses that were on my list that was sent to me by the whistleblower?
	Yeah, whoever gave that to you.
	Did you try to contact those people that were in the gallery?
	Yes, there were five.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Okay, I'm just saying, it's no problem.
	We're just going over this material so that we'll get it clear.
	You know, because they might be a little confused.
	Okay, fine.
	And did any of those people respond to you in the gallery?
	The people on the...
	No one responded me. - Okay.
	Okay, you're breaking up just a little bit, so... I'm sorry.
	That's all right.
	I'm the only person... I'm an investigative journalist like you are.
	I got to get the details exactly right.
	I just... Yes, ma'am.
	Amen.
	Did any of those people on that list that you want to publish, did any of them get back to you?
	Two of them.
	The widow of one of the doctors touching and taking care of the alien.
	That's not a witness.
	I'm talking about the witness.
	You said, if I misunderstood you, tell me.
	You said there were people that's on a list who have seen, who saw the autopsy, but they were behind the glass.
	They weren't in the autopsy or I mean in the interview.
	They watched the interview.
	Correct.
	The five members of the military that were behind the glass, I got information on all of them.
	I spoke to one of the widows of the doctor inside the interview room, and I emailed and got emails back from the man who was a Navy captain at the time, who was a retired Vice Admiral.
	He emailed me back four times.
	And?
	But when I presented what I knew, that was it.
	We were done.
	Done.
	And I left a message on the guy from TRW's answering machine, and it's, you know, hello, you have called.
	They're elderly, and I don't expect to get a call back from them.
	And the Admiral is dead, died seven, eight years ago.
	And the one doctor who died, I spoke to his widow.
	I would love to talk to the cameraman and the police officer from the Air Force that escorted the cameraman back to Groom Lake Because it's the cameraman, folks.
	Bombshell.
	It's the cameraman that smuggled three minutes of this film out in a burn bag.
	A GSA burn bag.
	I don't even know who the GSA is, but that was on the report.
	That's how we got that out of Area 51.
	Oh my God, who is the cameraman?
	I don't know.
	Those names I did not have.
	Okay.
	Now, if you publish these names, I thought there would be more, but there's only five, I think you said five?
	Five people, yeah.
	What would be the blowback from that, just in theory?
	If you find out your grandfather was involved in, you know, an interrogation and retention of an alien in the government, this was his job?
	I mean, he didn't do anything wrong.
	And I've said this publicly, I don't condemn these people.
	You know, Michael Carter...
	Was on Ancient Aliens, said this, got this, had this great statement like, John, this has got to be like when Nelson Mandela took over as the leader of South Africa.
	You know, where they had to just, they had to just wipe the slate clean for the past government indiscretions.
	Let's move forward.
	And that is what I'm calling for.
	I don't think these men are criminals.
	And I think it's, I think it's criminal the money they've spent behind our back.
	They meaning I don't think anyone should be brought up on charges or anything.
	If you want to let some of this information out, you have got, in my opinion, give the government a wide berth.
	You have to close one eye.
	And, you know, and let this information seep out.
	Help them come out of the closet with some of this information.
	And what do I mean by that?
	The government knows how to time travel and see the future.
	Do you want 8 billion people in the world to see the future?
	To know when your child is going to die?
	When you're going to die?
	If your business partner is screwing you over?
	If your wife is, you know, having an affair or when your parents would die, do you really want people to have that ability?
	I mean, there's some moral responsibility, I think, with keeping, again, I'm speaking carefully here, some of the information.
	But we've had crashed vehicles.
	We've interviewed, we've autopsied these creatures.
	We think we know where some of them came from.
	This is what they've said.
	We do have the technology.
	And now the technologies with corporations that can't be FOIAed and, you know, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa.
	Why this is slowly coming out, in my opinion, from many military people is Harry, no one wants to sign their name anymore.
	No one at the Pentagon wants to say, oh, Colonel John Stewart, can we have your signature?
	We're going to autopsy, you know, sorry, we're going to autopsy this creature at Michael's Army Airfield in Sandia Labs and we need your authorization.
	No one wants to sign their name anymore.
	That's the problem.
	And the funding, to some degree, is drying up, which is why they created Space Force.
	But now, this is such old hat, in my opinion, from what I've been told, that this is now in corporations.
	You can't FOIA a corporation, a publicly traded corporation.
	But we can certainly give the government a wide berth to let them take some baby steps.
	Again, I've coined this phrase to help them come out of the closet.
	Okay, now let me ask you a couple other questions.
	You haven't mentioned all the members of what is called To The Stars Academy.
	Did you contact all of them?
	Straight up ignored me.
	I offered to donate money to their research.
	Ignored me.
	Tom DeLong, I got his email.
	Ignored me.
	To the stars, tell us what you know.
	Yeah, okay.
	Okay.
	As somebody once said, pull this leg, it plays jingle bells.
	Yeah, Tom DeLong totally ignored me.
	Okay.
	Sorry, Tom, but it's true.
	Isn't he called Eric Schmidt or Eric Schwartz or whatever his name is?
	I don't know, but I've emailed to the stars so many damn times.
	I got carpal tunnel syndrome.
	It's been a while since I, you know, went over all the names in that group, but nonetheless.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Really interesting.
	The George Knapp thing is a gap.
	That's a big gap because... Thank you.
	He would be, you know, he's a well-known journalist.
	I don't know if he's more well-known than me, but definitely working with the company, in my opinion, and he hates my guts, so it's all good.
	But I'm surprised he didn't come forward to try to, you know, get your stuff out.
	I'm not sure where he's at or if he even does shows anymore.
	I don't- Gary, I even offered to fly with Bigelow, Is his name Keller?
	Tom Keller.
	I offered to fly to Las Vegas to meet with Robert Bigelow for five minutes.
	I offered to fly to Vegas to meet with George Knapp for coffee for five minutes.
	My expense, my dime.
	No contact.
	Done.
	Okay, well, it goes to you and great job.
	This is an ongoing investigation, right?
	Well, yeah, but I just can't find anyone else to debunk it.
	But I'm here.
	If you made the dial, let me know.
	Call me.
	Fair enough.
	Well, it's good stuff, and I appreciate all the work you've done.
	You've really stuck with it over the years, and that is hard, okay?
	I know from experience.
	I know.
	But it's nice that you stuck with it, and it's nice that, you know, you have such a profile that you make them nervous.
	That's nice also.
	So, let's stay on the story, okay?
	Let's have you back on the show when you have new developments, all right?
	And anything you want to say?
	I'd like to say one last thing before I forget.
	Can I say one last thing?
	Yeah, I just wanted to... I'm saying my bit, then we're going to go to you and you're going to say your bit, okay?
	So I just want to say thank you very much, if you don't mind me taking the time to do that.
	Okay, so thank you again for your courage in the face of the adversity and the pushback that you've gotten.
	This whole story is coming forward.
	It's not over yet.
	It's a big story.
	It's gigantic.
	Couldn't be bigger for humanity.
	It involves aliens, but it also involves Artificial intelligence.
	Say it with me.
	AI.
	Okay, so this is not going to be ignored any further, and it's affecting us and our future.
	It's affecting whether people know it or not.
	It affects the release of COVID, so-called COVID, which is a bioweapon.
	It affects the control of society.
	It affects who controls us, why they control us, and how they continue to control us.
	And it also affects Basically, the banking system.
	Hello?
	Anybody think that's a current issue?
	So this is not an old story.
	This is a current, very crucial story.
	And whistleblowers like you, people that dedicate themselves, must be listened to.
	And I just want to say that there is a I forget his last name, Colin, this guy Colin, who has also talked to me and we've done shows on the alien autopsy.
	And the same kind of runaround and crazy shit has gone on with all of that.
	So, and I want to give just a short plug to him because he is another such person who has stuck with it for a ridiculous number of years.
	And we tried to do shows on it.
	We got so much pushback and messed with electronically, you wouldn't believe.
	Here, in this situation, it looks like we got this recorded.
	It'll go out.
	Maybe the times are changing.
	Maybe these people will let you do this.
	It's all good.
	Okay, thank you very much for coming on my show.
	Now you have time to say your piece.
	Here, go.
	Well, anybody that thinks that, you know, they're happy with what I've done and they're, you know, congratulatory, I just want to sincerely say that I have spoken to you from the bottom of my heart.
	I'm not a naysayer.
	I'm not an interloper.
	I'm not a disruptor of government.
	I am simply a journalist and investigator.
	That has just simply told you what I've investigated.
	You take it as you with.
	If you're happy about what I've done, the woman that I am looking at across from this screen started this whole investigation for me by lighting the fuse and telling me, you got to go talk to this guy in England.
	So if you think you're happy with what I did, then you write this very nice, this is my sister.
	I call her that all the time.
	You write her an email and you say thank you for lighting the spark under Jon Stewart.
	And I mean that sincerely.
	And all I've done was try and be sincere, try and tell everybody what is going on, and work with the government.
	This is not going to come clean.
	Unless we work with the government.
	And I just want to be one of those people volunteering to be on that committee, to everyone coming together, stepping forward, and releasing some of this information.
	The biggest bombshell that I have is that on the bottom of this film, burned into the film, was DNI slash 27.
	I've already told you DNI's Department of Naval Intelligence.
	We have a naval aviator who says it's real.
	They try to recruit him to be an agent.
	But number 27.
	It's late at night, and I am with my wife.
	I'm watching a documentary, and it's a President Reagan briefing.
	This scares the crap out of me, folks.
	On top of the briefing that they show on the screen is the number 27.
	And I went, wait a minute!
	Wait a minute!
	There's 27 on the film!
	And Victor gives a really bad explanation of what that is.
	Some jerry-rig cataloging.
	I never bought it.
	I called one of my whistleblowers.
	What is 27?
	I'm thinking he was going to say, what do you mean?
	Oh, 27 is a kind of a blanket umbrella security designation.
	I'm like, I don't believe this.
	Well, what do you mean by that?
	Well, 27 is Yankee white.
	What is Yankee White?
	He's like, well, that is for anyone who deals directly with the president of the United States.
	He's like, why are you asking me this?
	I said, I saw it on a Reagan briefing and it's on the bottom of this film of this extraterrestrial.
	He said, oh, that means somebody watched that film or it was made for somebody who deals directly with the president.
	I go back to the list.
	Sure enough, the admiral that died, well, I will tell eventually, but he had a reason to be in the Oval Office as a liaison briefing person with President Bush, the first President Bush.
	So I finally figured out what 27 meant on the bottom of the film.
	I can't do any more.
	And I still can't find out about the monitor.
	Bill Mums of the National Geographic saw that it was it was surrounded by a metal plate so it wasn't just a glass with a guy pointing a laser at it and so I there's nothing I I'm still waiting and and what I need to carry is your listeners to get my name to people hey have them on your show have them on your podcast Talking about me, my name still is not being brought up in the wind at conferences and people going on, you know, these podcasts and stuff.
	And I guess it's time that that starts happening.
	And only for the best.
	Illuminate more people.
	And I thank you for having me.
	Okay, okay.
	Very good job, John.
	Very, very expressive.
	Very, very nicely done.
	Again, I linked it on my telegram.
	I've also shown you the picture, but let me just bring it up one more time just for the people to see what we're talking about.
	So, this is an alien being that he's talking about that was supposedly an alien interview done Under S2, as they call it, S2.
	And thank you for a lot of help.
	So let's move on.
	Let's see.
	Now, people are going to want to contact you.
	There's no doubt about it.
	This will be something that where people want to contact you.
	I'm sure they'd like to donate to help your cause.
	Also, I don't know if you've set that up.
	Go ahead and tell me the stuff and then I'll try to put it on the video after I release it.
	But go ahead.
	Sure.
	Another, thank you for saying that.
	Another part of, I think, my credibility, I don't ask anybody to click like describe.
	I'm not saying that there's nothing wrong with that, but I haven't.
	I don't ask you for your credit card number.
	I just, well, not yet, but seriously, I haven't been on social media, but please, anyone that has any information, To the hoax or to the truth.
	Believe me, you can tell me anything.
	I just want to know the real facts.
	I believe I know them, but if you have some credible information or other information to further the ball to the goal line, please, my email is J-O-N, that's John without the H, my middle name Allen, A-L-A-N, and my last name Stewart, S-T-E-W-A-R-T, like the guy on Comedy Central.
	I have been credited by people.
	I answer emails, unlike a lot of other people, in rapid fashion.
	You take the time to email me.
	I will certainly take the time to email you back promptly.
	I'm only looking for information.
	If you want to have negative or positive comments, that's fine, too.
	But to anybody that can help move the ball forward, I would Gladly.
	Look forward to your comments.
	If you can put me on another podcast or somebody knows other shows that I can go on to help further illuminate this topic, that'd be great.
	I'm willing to do whatever it takes.
	Excellent.
	Okay.
	It's lovely to have you on the show.
	It's lovely to finally get this done because we've been talking about it for a while.
	And so it's, it's, it's very exciting.
	You've done a great amount of work and we're going to see what happens.
	Okay.
	Thank you again, Jon Stewart.
	Carrie, I thank you.
	You're just the best.
	You are the best.
	I really mean that.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Take care and take care everyone.

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