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March 16, 2023 - Project Camelot

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LEWIS HERMS: INTERVIEW RE LEADER OF THE TRUTH TOUR AND THE GLOBAL AGENDA

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	Thank you.
	Hi, everyone.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here today.
	I have Lewis Herms with me, and he is the head of the Truth Tour that has been going around now for a couple of years, I think.
	Correct?
	Actually, I think it's only been about...
	Ten months.
	I'll tell you, it feels like five years for me.
	Wow.
	We've done so many in such a small amount of time.
	I can't believe that because I was on the tour, I mean, it seems like, well, I thought it was like a year or two ago.
	When I was in Thousand Oaks, you're saying that was only... Yeah, I believe if I remember, that was June of last year.
	Right, so a year.
	Almost a year.
	Almost a year.
	All right.
	So anyway, uh, let's, let's give you an introduction.
	Uh, I, we just did another interview.
	You did, you interviewed me and now I'm interviewing you because it's been a while since I interviewed you.
	And, uh, I think, you know, time passes, lots goes on and maybe have some, some new things to add to everything.
	So, and I also want to talk about your latest plans and tours and things like that.
	So, um, Let's give you an introduction in terms of, briefly, what would you say about yourself?
	Well, I'm a patriot through and through, which means it's been, I've been like this literally since I was a kid.
	I've always wanted the best for our country.
	I didn't have a great understanding of the manipulation and so on and so forth from the government level.
	Until I got into my late teens and I started figuring, starting to figure things out.
	Ultimately, I, I just want what's best for we the people, because I believe that's the bigger picture and when it works out for we the people, everything else is going to be in great shape from there.
	So that's, that's been my focus for a long time, heavily for the last four or five years, though.
	Okay, now, um, When you were interviewing me, I noticed that you had some interesting, I don't know, you said you were sort of teaching classes and things.
	Can you talk a little bit about that?
	Yeah, so, well, in reference to teaching classes, I don't know if you're talking about my business background, because that's been more of mentorship, sales, marketing, and business.
	And I've been a troubleshooter for some very, very large corporations.
	Where there was issues in certain branches that they had, and then I would go in there, fix everything, and then move on to the next one, so on and so forth.
	So, any teachings I've had is, I've done a lot of seminars and thousands of salespeople.
	That's about it, but I always go down the motivational route so they can, themselves, they would have the tools to be successful in whatever they do.
	Okay, because I'm not sure what you were referring to.
	You know, when you do your conferences, do you do speeches yourself?
	I do.
	Yeah, I do.
	I generally start it off with a speech and it's just, I guess, divinely inspired.
	I never go up there with a script.
	Right before I go on stage, I always say, God, please speak through me.
	That's literally all I say and then it goes from there.
	I really try to read the energy of the audience.
	And I believe that's the direction that everybody should be going is in some form of energy reading so you understand the person that you're communicating with on the best level possible.
	Okay and now I know I asked you this before and I wore my military jacket even though you told me you're not in the military but let me just say there's something about you that sort of seems militaristic or like you have a background in intelligence or you know and I know you wouldn't necessarily admit it but I don't know why I get this, but this is what I get.
	Am I way off base or am I, you know, I know you had, you said you had sons, I think you said in the military.
	So I have three sons in the military, two are Marines, one is in the Air Force.
	The two Marines are actually vets now, they're retired, and one still works on some top secret stuff in the Air Force himself.
	Me, myself, I couldn't get into the military per se because I was missing a spleen at the age of 19.
	I get a lot of these comments, though, that you just mentioned.
	People think, oh, you must be in military, you're intelligent, so on and so forth.
	I've had a passion for this type of thing since I'm young.
	I've been in martial arts, did a few tournaments.
	I was very successful in that.
	And then there was things that I've actually got kicked out of a tournament for using techniques I wasn't supposed to use.
	And so I've really, I've taught myself kind of an urban hand-to-hand combat.
	For years and years and years, and I pride myself on handling myself in certain situations.
	I do not.
	I'm very flat out.
	I do not have an intelligence background whatsoever.
	I've been told by, I guess, psychics that that is exactly what I've done in past life.
	So, I don't know how that carries forward.
	Because I'm always in the present.
	So I really, I don't look back into past or whatever past lives may have offered or have not offered.
	I don't even dive into that room.
	I see.
	Okay, well, yeah, this is why I'm picking all of that up.
	But you know, it's still in your aura, so to speak, because I do get sort of downloads about people.
	So That's interesting.
	I'm glad to see that, you know, my sort of radar is not off base here, but it is interesting because you, I think it's also the way you handle yourself and I can see that martial arts coming through that way.
	So you, you, you're very sort of, the word might be self-contained.
	And you're very calm, you know, so that means you're very alert, sort of watching things outside yourself.
	So, you're kind of a watcher in a way.
	Well, for sure.
	I can give you a little background on this and this may really put things together.
	So, I was a latchkey kid.
	My parents divorced when I was two years old and my mom was working all the time and I pretty much raised myself.
	I don't understand the term.
	Oh, latchkey?
	Okay, so she was working two or three jobs, never home, and we lived in HUD housing, so it was very, very poor.
	Oh.
	And government housing, and literally the police would be at my doorstep sometimes, hey, is your mom home?
	Nope, all here by myself, you know, 11, 1 in the morning.
	And they're like, okay, well, you're a smart kid.
	No problem.
	And the worst thing they ever did is they said, can you put a piece of paper, how to contact you?
	Because this is pre cell phones in case something ever happens.
	So, I was very, very independent and figured things out on my own.
	When I was young.
	Now I used to get the crap kicked out of me every day by 14 and 15 year olds because I wouldn't take their crap emotionally.
	I just wouldn't let them get inside my head.
	So I learned at 11 how to really fight back and I took it a little too far when I was 11.
	So then I was put into martial arts to kind of maintain my emotions.
	Then I went to martial arts for a short time then.
	And then I played a lot of football.
	I was playing football when I was 19 with a bunch of people.
	And what was interesting, what happened is this very large guy was defending me and he couldn't defend me.
	So I would catch the ball and even though it was touch, no matter where I was, he would hit me when I'm on the ground over and over and over.
	So I warned him.
	You can't do that.
	I'm not going to put up with that.
	So he did it again and he flew and just right cracked me right in the ribs full speed after I've already been on the ground.
	So I got up and I knocked him out, but I blacked out.
	So what happened is all my friends pulled me off of him and my thumb was buried into his neck up to my second knuckle into his throat.
	Oh my God.
	So what happened is he blacked out his eyes rolled back in his head.
	Everybody freaked out.
	And my head, I don't think, was straight because at the time I said, and I've never told the story, so this is kind of breaking.
	I said, let's just go play.
	He'll be fine, right?
	So they took him, they got him water, they got him air.
	And no, it was like, dude, we've seen something we don't want to see.
	We don't want to play anymore.
	Even though they all agreed that I was right to defend myself.
	So what happened is I was talking to a friend a couple of years later and I broke down because I'm like, wow, I could have killed somebody.
	I wouldn't even have known because I was blacked out.
	Right.
	Then I enrolled myself in martial arts.
	I said, okay, I never can put myself in a situation to harm somebody like that again, but defense is good.
	So then I took Taekwondo, Hapkido, and I took it to another level.
	And I refused to take all the tests for the belts.
	So even though I was only like a fourth level, which would have been, I believe it was a purple or a green belt at the time, I would fight browns.
	And in open tournaments, I could even fight blacks, even though they weren't supposed to do that, black belts.
	And I was extraordinarily successful in the gym and outside of it.
	And after I quit, I just spent years training myself on urban combat, pressure points and all that stuff.
	So that's how I got to that point.
	I was very disciplined and it was essence.
	I did it not to protect myself, but to protect other people from me originally.
	Okay yeah and all of that would come from past life too.
	Well that's kind of interesting.
	I've heard a couple other people talk about that kind of thing where they were young and they got put in situations where their abilities came forward and they didn't even know they had them.
	Exactly.
	So it sounds like you're kind of one of those.
	But football, because maybe, you know, I only met you briefly that, you know, once and I didn't spend a lot of time, you know, talking to you in person.
	Maybe I met you more than once.
	Okay, I don't know.
	But you're not a big guy physically, like you're not a football type, are you?
	No, I'm only six feet tall.
	I'm very out of shape right now.
	But you're a sort of slender.
	You're a slender, you know.
	Not a big build.
	Even when I was bodybuilding, I was never a big dude.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	I was already very slim.
	Yeah.
	Uh, all right.
	So, uh, but okay, let me let me go a little deeper in this area.
	So.
	You have some interesting friends, right?
	I would say.
	Because I get that you kind of, that the types that I'm talking about may gravitate towards you, which is intelligence types as well as military types, right?
	I would agree.
	For some reason.
	And that's kind of interesting.
	You know, they resonate with what's beneath the surface, right?
	I mean, you do do these things as well.
	It's not like a huge jump, you know, when somebody looks at you, you look very clean cut, all that stuff.
	But still, um, it's, it's, you know, that's what I get.
	You get, you have these, uh, these, these friends in, um, these walks of life.
	So when you're, you're, you're in that milieu.
	Then you get invited places, you get a certain entree, you get, you know, confidences, right?
	Yeah, I honestly, I probably get less intelligence than most people think.
	What I do get, though, is I ask questions and I get confirmations on things that I suspect.
	Outright intelligence, though, and I never pretend to be the intelligence guy to build my channel.
	I believe believe in being completely transparent with we the people but i will say i've been in certain situations and probed the right questions and get the nod of the head or the shake of the head to get me in the right direction on information so that i will admit to for sure okay and do you think that your sons got their desire to be in the military kind of subliminally from you or was how did that or do you have other family members that inspired them
	they they They would all say I was the influence to get them in the military for sure.
	And did you do that on purpose or was that just again?
	I did it on purpose.
	Yes.
	Really?
	I thought that was the best track for them at the time for disciplinary reasons so they can get their head straight, focused, everything clean, everything they understand.
	And now even the two that are out use that skill set really, really well outside of it.
	So that was the purpose at the time.
	And I think it feels very successful.
	And I if full transparency again, though, I was aware that there's some challenges in the military before and I know a lot more now than I did.
	But this time or another, we can talk about how my son was being forced to take a vaccine and how he did not because of the conversations we would have.
	Right.
	And I think we did cover that in the prior interview, maybe maybe sort of Not, you know, in depth, but just, you know.
	And can you refresh my memory?
	And I think people would still be interested.
	So he was being forced to do the vaccine.
	And then what happened?
	Yeah, so it's in the Marines and they, I'll shorten it.
	So they've, they said, you have to take the vaccine.
	He consulted with me.
	I said, just keep saying no.
	They're going to threaten you at the highest level.
	Sorry, my dogs are freaking out.
	They'll threaten you at the highest levels and then they will end up backing off and everything and you'll get everything that you wanted.
	I said, just keep saying no.
	So it started with, we're going to throw you into the brig, to them giving him a nice discharge, full compensation, literally for life, VA, everything.
	So he ended up winning the battle just by standing up and saying no.
	Fabulous.
	Okay.
	I think others have maybe not been quite so fortunate in that way.
	Not sure, you know, life is very funny that way.
	It's, it's not, it's not like overtly fair, necessarily.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm just saying you could have two guys, they're both, you know, Marines, they're both, you know, not a whole lot of difference between them, and yet they can have a completely different reception to
	Yes, in fact, to add to what you're saying is I spoke to people at the time and I can tell you that the commanding officers were completely in charge of how they wanted to handle this type of thing.
	Even some commanding officers were told, it's up to you whether you want to push the jab or not.
	And there was a very few of them that said no.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	Yeah.
	You would think there would be more that say no?
	You would think, but I think that the higher levels got there because of their compliance.
	Okay, sure.
	All right, so in terms of the Truth Tour, what was your inspiration for doing that?
	That's interesting.
	So I put out on my telegram one time, I go, hey, hey guys, how would you guys like to get together?
	Just talking to the people.
	And they're like, oh, we would love that.
	I go, okay, let's arrange something.
	And then I said, well, you know, how about if we get a bunch of people together?
	Oh, that would be amazing.
	A bunch of truthers.
	Where?
	So we went through all this stuff, did polls and everything, ended up, it was going to be in Tampa, Florida.
	And ended up being a whole event right before I was going the day I was going to sign a contract to nail this to get it done.
	The hotel more than doubled.
	What they proposed to me via emails, so we had it all locked down.
	And I just said, okay, I'm not going to play their game, right?
	So I shut it off.
	And instead of me blaming the hotel, I said, well, maybe God wants me to do something else.
	I said, what would that be?
	And immediately the answer was, well, you don't have the people come to you.
	You need to go to the people this time.
	I said, okay, so I'm thinking, what does that look like?
	And then that's how the truth tour became something as we decided to travel all around the country.
	26 days, I think stops in 30 days or something to that effect.
	And then one became two, three and kept going from there.
	So do you like, you know, cause I've entered, I organize, I do a yearly conference, I guess I mentioned in the UK and I've done bigger conferences in this country, but eventually I got, I had all kinds of crazy shit going on and I don't know if you had anything like that.
	So I got, I don't know, you know, threats and the people that were supposed to be, you know, backing me all of a sudden just literally, like my partner, kind of in the project just disappearing off the face of the earth completely.
	resurfaced sometime after, you know, several months later.
	Nobody knew where he was, what happened to him.
	He was supposed to be financing and arranging, you know, certain things.
	So I really got, and then when, during the filming, The people wouldn't do the filming like they're supposed to do.
	They would have some kind of problem.
	So then, you know, if you can't, at least in my case, I needed to finance myself to reimburse myself because I actually ended up putting stuff on credit cards and then not.
	You know, needing to raise the money from the funds for putting it all on.
	And so, so I'm just curious, did you not have any of those kind of problems?
	Wow.
	We had all of the problems that you just mentioned.
	In addition, we had, you know, our brake lights cut, our fuel lines messed with.
	We had a coven of witches show up in Anaheim and 12 of them in a pentagram and doing incantations in the middle of a speech.
	Had several people attacked.
	Michael Jaco got poisoned at a Sarasota event and they got some of us, but they got him the worst.
	And I think he was the main target there.
	And we've had so much infiltration, everything you can imagine, and the audio.
	We actually had a guy that we knew, because we were told when we saw him there, that he was ex-DOD, but he was a bad guy.
	And he just happened to be one that was right next to one of the speakers when the speaker blew up.
	And so we know that he backed into it and next thing and just this extraordinary noise happened and the speaker blew up.
	In our video we would have issues all the time and streaming.
	Our website got hacked several times.
	One of the most interesting ones is the somebody hacked into our back office of our website and created 107.
	I know, funny number.
	107 alternate administration accounts.
	And then they started flipping ticket prices.
	So if you get the premier ticket, you get it at the cheapest price and get the cheap ticket for the premier price.
	And then they took down all our emails and everything.
	And then the most incredible thing happened on True Tour 2.
	For two weeks straight, if anybody would post something of ScrubaGov, TruthTour, or Lewis Herms on TikTok, Facebook, YouTube, and some other channels, their whole account would get deleted immediately.
	Oh, wow.
	I even went to the point where I warned everybody, just don't post our stuff.
	And then next, you know, it was fine after that.
	I've had several people go look into my things and they said, Lewis, your stuff is so suppressed and so jacked up.
	We don't know what to tell you.
	In fact, I have a real time today, an example of that.
	So, Jake Chansley, the Viking and I were on the steps together in front of a door protecting people on January 6th.
	Never get the video out.
	Now, I just put the video out again.
	It only got on Twitter it only got 10,000 views yet somebody put another video out cutting Jake out of just me today without listing who I am and everything and there's already has 200,000 views so clearly there's some weird suppression going on there and my wife is like take a deep breath just keep moving forward it is what it is and she's right it's not about me it is odd
	But then again, I was one of the first person that really was exposing deuterium, right?
	That was a hugely suppressed... Well, I've done a lot of... I've done several interviews on that.
	Oh, good.
	You and I should talk because there's a scientist, a black project, former black project scientist who I drink his water.
	And so, yes, I got into that actually many years ago.
	So that's cool.
	The thing is, though, that that's funny to hear because.
	When I encountered all these things, you know, for me, it was actually a direct, more of a financial hit that was happening.
	So I couldn't, um, the last one I did, which was, I think it was 2013 in the United States.
	And that's where I had the most crazy stuff going on.
	And I basically, I couldn't handle it.
	I just couldn't handle the pressure of all the things that happened.
	And I had to rescue the footage, had to put it together myself.
	I mean, it was just unbelievable what happened.
	So I just said, that's it.
	I'm not, you know, I can't deal with this country and doing conferences.
	I wasn't even going to do conferences, but then I did get a deal in England, strangely, But it's very small.
	My conferences are like, allow 125 people.
	And that's what I was told is why they don't bother me.
	And we do it all at, you know, this High Elms Manor, this beautiful manor house with grounds, you know, in the summertime.
	So it's really a social networking event as well as a conference.
	It's, like I said, small.
	But I don't have to pay for the venue.
	You know how the venue is the most expensive part of it?
	So that actually took a lot of the pressure, the financial pressure, away from me.
	So that made it all possible.
	But you know, and I have this woman partner who's, she's not gone off and done crazy shit or disappeared or any of the things that was happening to me in the States.
	So Yeah, it's very weird, but I just wondered about that.
	How, you know, do you just have nerves of steel or were you, you know, were you just not being bothered?
	So that kind of, it shows that, I don't know, you, you know, maybe you're just a really good organizer as well or something.
	I just don't let things get to me.
	I think that's what it is.
	I don't like to give somebody else the power over me.
	I don't either, but you know... It does become nerve-wracking, I'll tell you that.
	You have a financial partner that just disappears.
	Yeah, I know.
	And they've attacked our finances, like, just incredible.
	But, you know, it is what it is.
	Like you, it's just a mission that we're on, so we just keep pushing forward and take a deep breath and move forward.
	Yeah, well, for me it was also a side, you know, a side thing.
	Because when, you know, as an investigative journalist, that's not my line of work, is not to be organizing conferences.
	So, that's also, you know, a big, sort of, Takeaway.
	So, okay.
	Now, I was wondering, like, you know 107 fairly well, is that right?
	Who really knows 107 fairly well?
	I mean, we talk, I text him, he's supposed to be on, you know, he'll be on a show that we're doing tomorrow, the Truth-a-thon, and then Kim and I will be doing a private recording on something next few days.
	So, I know him well enough that he responds to me, I guess we could say that.
	Okay, the reason I'm asking is that has he said to you like try to, I don't know, give you advice or ask you to do certain things and not other things and you know what I mean?
	Because I wouldn't say he's a control freak exactly but he's definitely somebody who He's a leader of this movement we're in, in my opinion, and so he sort of feels like he can tell you or tell people around him what his advice is to do, right?
	Well, I would say that, and I've said this before, is I believe Juan is part of what I call controlled collaboration.
	Not opposition.
	Where I believe there's some collaborators in the Trump team that are trying to push the narrative in a certain direction.
	Okay.
	He and I have an understanding that that's not me.
	And I'm not interested in that.
	And so we have some nice conversations and I feel like he respects that.
	And although He probably would like me to go in another direction.
	He's asked me on a couple things before and I'll pay attention, but ultimately I just do what I feel guided to do.
	And I frankly think the White Hats are doing a fantastic job.
	It's not for me to decide what they can and can't do because I'm not in the inner circle there.
	Right.
	But I believe my alliance is to we the people, God, and my wife.
	That's literally, that's where I work for.
	So I constantly just listen to we the people, and that's all I care about.
	And he's very clear on the way I stand in regards to that.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so that's interesting.
	Where did you, you know, as a journalist, it's kind of a natural thing for me to want to In a certain sense, represent the people to their point of view, to make sure that they get heard through my work, you know, so that, you know, I try to bring their concerns to the fore and a lot of their concerns are my concerns, right?
	But as a journalist, that's our job was to report really to the people.
	It's not to report to the authorities, so-called authorities in any.
	area if you're really a good journalist and you're not bought out obviously so where did you get that notion since you're not you're not to my knowledge a journalist you're not you know that kind of a personality you didn't go down that road in a career so how did that inspiration come i i don't know if i was guided or whatever it was
	but i've been tracking the misdoings of the cabal for a long long time Probably not as much as you, but at least 30 years.
	I've really paid attention to a lot of the... Now, I haven't always gone down every rabbit hole.
	I've been very focused on some things.
	And I've worked for some corporations that now I know are cabal corporations.
	But that being said, I've always had this thing for the little guy.
	In fact, when I was in junior high, they nicknamed me the bully buster because when I would see kids being bullied, I would be the one that would always step in and protect them.
	And I feel, I look at the cabal like they're one big effing bully, right?
	So my alliance was natural to say, okay, how can I fight for we the people?
	And that's really all it came from.
	Probably not a deep but amazing story.
	It's just pretty simple for me.
	Okay.
	Well, kind of with the other part of the background we talked about earlier, it kind of makes sense that you were, you know, you said you were beat up and all that.
	That tends to focus a person, you know, On socially and backing the underdogs, so to speak.
	that kind of philosophy would come from yourself being in that position, I think, as a kid.
	Okay, so in, okay, you're kind of alluding to a background in which you, maybe you're self-taught, or maybe you actually were mentored.
	I don't know which it is.
	You can maybe say if you like, but my real question is, you know, what is it a, you know, I'm not getting that you're a super religious, but you do seem to have some spiritual religious grounding.
	So what, what, where did you get that?
	Like, was there an area of study?
	Like, for example, in my case, I was, I actually concentrated To some degree on Eastern religions and philosophies.
	I was drawn to that.
	Did you have something like that or what did you do?
	Yeah, so I've always had a yearning to figure out what a higher power really was.
	I was very anti-religion even as a kid.
	I would, as a latchkey kid, so I would always have friends, hey come to my church, let's go check this out.
	And I immediately, even at 10 years old, noticed a control mechanism that I would not be part of.
	I've always been a rebel in regards to that.
	So I've had a bad taste in my mouth from a religion from day one because I didn't think they were teaching us righteousness.
	I think they were trying to control us and push us in a certain direction and I'm very blessed that I recognize that so young.
	So I've always but I've had a yearning so much.
	So as I purchased a book, I think I was maybe 18 19 called a book of world religions and I just started looking at all these religions.
	So My mother grew up as a Christian, and my father grew up as a Christian, but by the time I was born, a couple years later, my mom, because of some tragedy, completely disassociated her away from God and the church, and she became an atheist.
	And my father matriculated to a very interesting religion that I actually love when I read about it.
	It's called Baha'i.
	And that's a very, they have very, very interesting teachings and he would take me to some of their firesides and so on and so forth.
	So what I noticed there, they're kind of didn't act like the traditional religion and they really, they really were interested in how they could help each other.
	So that concept was very attractive to me.
	And then I really started to notice.
	I said, I need to pay attention.
	And I would look for, and it may sound interesting, I would look for miracles.
	I was always looking for some miracles.
	And then I would see all this amazing stuff and these so-called coincidences.
	And I said, okay, this is a higher power.
	And then later on, I learned, for me, that we have all of that inside of us.
	And when we're told that we were made in God's image, it's not the flesh suit that they're wearing, in my opinion, it's within us we have God.
	So that's kind of been my deal in my direction.
	And I feel if that's the truth, well, aren't we all connected, a collective consciousness of some sort?
	Therefore, I really need to work With We The People.
	So it's kind of, that's the whole circle of how things came about.
	By the way, for those watching, I was not making a Q like Trump.
	Okay, so yeah, so you have some investigations that you did.
	Did you also study the occult at all?
	Oh yeah, oh yeah.
	In fact, When I was younger, okay, so I was always kind of on my own when I was a kid.
	My dad was 52 years older than me, so by the time I moved in with him when I was 14, when my mom had enough of me, he just emotionally and physically, he could not handle me.
	Now, I was good.
	I was always really good.
	I made bad decisions, but nothing that would ever hurt anybody.
	In fact, I was always protecting other people.
	But my friends and I got them involved with us doing a lot of what I call night missions.
	And we would go through and travel the hills at night.
	And literally, we ran into a live satanic cult going on one time in the hills of San Dimas, California.
	Literally, they were sacrificing animals right there and doing their whole thing.
	And we were watching them like, wow, this is real.
	And then I've convinced them that we should Do some more investigation and there used to be in the same city this old gothic mansion that doesn't make any sense it would have built built 100 or 100 of years ago.
	Out in nowhere, and it was closed down, but they had guard dogs, but we would always break in the mansion and check everything out.
	And it was everything you've ever seen on TV.
	A three-story organ, pipe organ was in there, a huge safe.
	They had a mausoleum on site.
	They had the lions.
	Everything you can imagine is there.
	And then I convinced them, let's go travel the tunnels, because we heard that there were some type of tunnels.
	And we traveled the tunnels for miles and miles and miles under the cities in the Inland Empire.
	So that was always very interesting for me, and sure enough, I've just been paying attention ever since then.
	I was really into HAARP.
	I can tell you how Google and the federal government did something that shut down the truthers that were exposing HAARP like two decades ago that usually most people don't even know, and I saw it happen live.
	Okay.
	Do you want to elaborate at all on that?
	Well, yeah, it was pretty easy.
	So as most people know, HAARP is H-A-A-R-P.
	And but when it was so prevalent for us that we're looking into it back in the day that you could put in H-A-A-R-P and you would find it all over the first page of Google.
	Well, what happened is suddenly we were getting traction and sending out emails and this and everybody going, look at this.
	This is really before social media, but emails were very prevalent and it would get a lot of traction on this and the conversation started to ramp up.
	And then, and I know this is intentional, then the government released the most progressive mortgage program in the history.
	of our country that they supported, which was called HARP.
	Go figure.
	And that, within days, took the first dozen pages of Google, and everything that we would learn about this weather mechanism, this manipulation, was down at least 11, 12 pages overnight.
	It was crazy.
	So I know that was a DARPA Deal.
	And that's how they knew that they can control it.
	Another test, by the way, I can show you so many tests that they've done.
	And therefore now they know, Oh, that works.
	So now we do it on everything that was, but I saw that live, which is crazy.
	Right.
	Okay.
	I get it.
	Um, well, yeah, Nick big, it's really, I think brought a lot of attention to harp, you know, angels don't play that harp, this harp.
	Um, so that was one thing that I think.
	People did manage to sort of stay aware of it back in the day.
	But yeah, there's been a lot, you know, kind of a resurgence of interest, you know, with the latest the Turkey earthquake comes to mind other events going on saying, but I think it's kind of a little bit misplaced some of that attention.
	I don't think you know, I as I have told people that You know, scalar weaponry and Tesla tech, which is a lot of what HAARP is doing, is also not just based in Alaska per se.
	You know, a lot of people got focused on that, probably intentionally.
	So yeah, I appreciate that.
	But I think it's really important that people realize, you know, did you study Tesla at all?
	A little bit, a little bit.
	And I learned more after meeting Dr. Jerry Rivera, because he had downloads that actually created his Scalar technology, healing technology, which is interesting.
	Okay, I guess I'm not really that familiar with him.
	He's very interesting.
	But in regards to HAARP, you nailed it, though.
	Most people should understand that They literally have planes that we think are radar planes and that's where they have the technology to manipulate the weather right from there.
	It's way past just Alaska.
	Yeah.
	And yeah, and it goes also undersea.
	There's a whole undersea thing as well as other countries, you know, established sort of these radar things in other countries.
	So it's it bounces from, you know, Location to location.
	Well, Tesla, there's one in particular, you know, Tesla's tower, one of the ways he began it was to put this small device that was able to create whatever it created, could take down a building, whatever, and he put it on the back of a pickup truck.
	That was originally one of the things he did.
	So, When you look at that and you're looking all those years ago right then it just kind of boggles the mind what is really possible in terms of scale are and all of that.
	So.
	Just curious, so you're not a big, I mean, you're you say you're in deuterium into deuterium water.
	What made your interest in that particularly and as opposed to technology or, you know, because you don't seem or.
	Like a technical technical guy, you know, like so, but you were interested in the deuterium.
	So do you want to talk about that at all?
	Yeah.
	So what happened is I was on a tour and Nick Alvera and I were touring so we can go interview a bunch of people.
	And one of the people that we were recommended to interview because we were right across the lake from him was Dr. Jerry Rivera, who I just mentioned.
	And it's very interesting.
	His deal was not deuterium, but his assistant, I think her name was Maddie, when we were waiting for him, she goes, would you like some, I believe she said DDW, right?
	Deuterium Depleted Water.
	What's that?
	And then she explained what it was.
	She goes, why don't you ask Dr. Jerry about that?
	Okay, that was never the intention.
	So in the middle of the interview, I asked him and then he explained what it was a little bit, the Russian influence and so on and so forth.
	So my intention was never to make a video, a film of that, but I dug down on that rabbit hole so deep and it blew me away that I actually believe that that's something that Trump was pointing to when he was always focusing on the water, so on and so forth.
	And we know it's multiple messages and that's the way the White House works.
	So I found it just fascinating.
	I even dug down farther and I'm finding like, wow, deuterium is a phenomenal fuel, a very clean fuel.
	So I dug into that more and that's how the movie became.
	I was fascinated with it.
	So I guess I'm not that familiar with the movies you've made.
	You've done some documentaries.
	Do you want to name them or anything?
	Sure, sure.
	So my first one was 2020 Vision and that's when I was approached to from people that you say you would call the white hats and they said, hey, you know what?
	That's excellent.
	It's just Way too ahead of its time.
	Put it out in another two or three years, and there's some disclosures in there that may work.
	The challenge I had is like, I don't know if I disclosed 20 or 30 things, so I have no idea which ones they were talking about.
	It could have been that I think I proved that JFK Jr.
	was a lie.
	You know, it could have been that one.
	Who knows?
	Actually, I didn't prove that he was alive.
	I'm sorry.
	I proved that his wife was alive.
	Therefore, you can assume that he probably is too, since she was supposed to be on that plane.
	I see.
	And then I, shortly, not shortly, but a little while after that, I had watched the water trump Q and deuterium.
	And that was interesting because that got me deleted on every possible platform that you can imagine.
	But even though I had less than 100,000 views on my YouTube before they deleted it, it got taken over 30 times.
	And based on some calculations that my team made, it looks like that got almost two and a half million views on everybody else's platform.
	Many cut my logo out of it.
	You know how that works, you know.
	Made it like it was their own, but it doesn't matter.
	The word got out there.
	And then I made a couple other things.
	I made something called The Green Man, which featured Juan Oseben, which was very interesting.
	And now I've never seen your movie, so I'd be interested.
	Well, flair warning, they are no budget films, but the latest one we're working on right now, which we're going to release on March 21st, It's called Cages, and that's a human trafficking that really exposes that within the state of Arizona that will blow people away.
	I think that's going to be a big deal, actually.
	Okay, now when's it released?
	The March 21st, so next Tuesday.
	Right.
	And it's free.
	Everybody can play it on their own platforms.
	They could take it, download it if they want.
	I don't care.
	I just want the word to get out.
	Cool.
	Now, have you seen the Sound of Freedom, Juan's movie?
	No.
	Oh, you didn't go to the screening?
	In fact, it was so funny.
	So many people that got invited to that were texting me and going, I can't believe you're not here.
	And I told them I never got an invite.
	Did you complain at all?
	No.
	This is a while back.
	I didn't know of you back then.
	I didn't even know of me, Carrie.
	I still don't.
	It's too bad you haven't seen it since you're releasing a movie on the same topic.
	Now, yours is a documentary.
	His is a feature film.
	Mine's kind of both.
	It's a docudrama.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	In fact, as a joke, we just named a production company.
	We call it Sweat Equity Productions because it's no budget.
	So we're going to have some fun with it at the same time.
	I think there's actually some positive outcomes in it.
	One of my goals is when I put out information like this, I never need to break people.
	That's not the goal.
	What I like to do is motivate people so we can make a difference.
	So there'll be some of that going on through the film for sure.
	Okay.
	So you're saying that your film cages, um, you know, cause we can, we're supposed to talk about that here in this interview and before it ends, I think it's a good idea.
	So this, um, is about human trafficking.
	It's focused on Arizona is what you're saying.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	And are you dealing, you know, did you deal with things about the Sinaloa cartel in that a little bit?
	But I, they are completely controlled.
	If people think they're in control, they're not in control.
	They're being controlled.
	By the Chinese or who you're saying?
	I think it's, I think it's, uh, well, you and I have talked about this before.
	So people would think it's, it's people with inside the government.
	It may appear that way, but it's probably a couple of levels above that.
	Well, CIA, I mean, obviously he's always got their hand in, um, but.
	Well, what I'm hearing lately is a lot of Chinese influence with that cartel at this time.
	And I know Juan is very involved.
	What's that?
	Juan is very involved and knows a lot about that.
	That's right.
	So, because I just know he's made trips to the border and such.
	Has Juan seen your movie before it came out?
	No, no.
	In fact, believe it or not, we're still in editing, so I've not even seen my own movie yet.
	Oh, all right.
	In fact, we put out a trailer yesterday I wasn't too happy with, so I'm even going to redo the trailer.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	A lot of work.
	Wow.
	You're, you're quite, um, quite active because you're doing the conferences of this.
	I mean, organizing conferences is a huge job.
	You know, I don't, I don't admire, I don't, I don't envy anyone who wants to pursue that as I kind of indicated, but, um, so you're doing that and a movie.
	Correct.
	And I have websites coming out, websites we're working on, but I can't take the credit.
	I have a phenomenal team of people that help put this stuff together with and for me, for sure.
	Right.
	Did you learn to, would you say that your background in, you know, you said sort of you're in sales and worked for companies and so on.
	Do you think that's where you learned?
	You sound like you're managing teams of people to do a lot of these things, right?
	100%.
	If I didn't have that background that I had, there's no way I could even sleep at night right now and I wouldn't get anything accomplished.
	Yeah, it's kind of nerve-wracking.
	People have said before, they go, wow, you run it like a business.
	And I go, well, I do because I have deadlines.
	I need things to be done.
	So a lot of people that volunteer and work for me, they'll tell you two things.
	They say, I push them very hard.
	Okay.
	but they respect what I'm doing and I do love them.
	So I'm very consistent, but even on volunteers, I expect your best effort.
	That's just who I am.
	Okay.
	So a human trafficking movie, it's interesting because, and I don't know whether, it kind of doesn't sound like you have even discussed this much with Juan, but maybe I'm getting the wrong impression here, The thing about Juan is that, you know, this was actually, and God, I mean, it's really hard to get the years straight because for some reason the COVID thing and all this craziness.
	But when he invited, he decided to invite alternative journalists For a weekend in Vegas to see Sound of Freedom, I was part of that group.
	I didn't know about you back then, so I don't know where you were even involved in the scene at that time.
	The decision he made was to take it off the market.
	And then he's actually been pushing it back and pushing it back and pushing it back.
	So I'm just curious, like, did you ever talk to him about the fact that you've got this movie coming out and he has a movie too?
	Why didn't he release his?
	And, you know, this philosophy, which has to do again with the White Hats making decisions.
	that are different than maybe you or I might make.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So did you, can you speak to that at all?
	Sure, sure.
	I've had discussions about this particular film with him.
	Okay.
	A couple of them and he will have some participation, not necessarily on film, that may remain to be seen, but he will have some participation.
	He's been very supportive Of what I'm doing, and probably as much as I can say about that.
	In regards to discussions with Sound of Freedom, I've flat out asked him, and I won't say he's been evasive, but he said, we're waiting for this, or we're doing something with this, or we had a struggle with this.
	I have my own feelings of what may be going on with that.
	I have a little insight that I found out what I think they're really doing with the movie.
	But that would just start a rumor.
	So I wouldn't say that here.
	Because I don't like to start rumors.
	That's not my goal.
	Because I'm still digging in myself.
	But I do have... I believe it's a Tim Ballard thing.
	A what?
	A Tim Ballard thing of why this has been pushed aside.
	Who's Tim Ballard?
	He's who they made the movie about.
	Oh, the real guy?
	Yeah, the real guy.
	Oh.
	Oh, really?
	Well, that's interesting.
	Meaning he's giving them pushback?
	He doesn't want it released?
	No, I don't.
	The more we dig on Tim Ballard, there may be some challenges there.
	And in my opinion, I'll say this is my opinion.
	So if Juan's watching, he'll understand.
	My opinion is, if you're a movie producer, why would you promote a hero that may not be everything he was made up to be?
	So that's my opinion.
	And I don't think that's something that they could say flat out.
	First of all, it's a feature, right?
	So it's a film.
	I guess fiction based on fact is actually technically what it should be.
	It's not a documentary.
	So they've got an out there, definitely.
	And, you know, I worked in Hollywood for over 20 years.
	So that's why I have particular interest in this kind of thing.
	Of course.
	And so I was just wondering, you know, because it seemed so strange to me personally.
	Okay, now I know that I'm not your regular person out there.
	I'm not the general audience for your movie or for his.
	Now, I don't know how you're saying that you think your movie is going to kind of blow people away.
	I don't think Sound of Freedom would blow people away on any level because it's very tame in that regard.
	So I've always wondered.
	That's from my point of view.
	Um, you know, there are other, uh, trafficking movies coming out, even on, I've seen some of them are on Netflix right now that are actually pretty horrific and shocking, not, um, holding back at all.
	So it's puzzling to me that this, this has been such a long, Drawn out thing with the release of this movie and I'm not sure that's in everyone's best interest.
	So that's kind of my, my, um, you know, I've talked, I have actually talked to one about that as well when I first met him.
	But, um, because, you know, that was the weekend I first met him when the weekend when I saw the movie, that's why.
	So, um, so I immediately formed certain opinions about it.
	Based on the fact that I thought that it was pretty palatable and that there was no reason to hesitate.
	You know what I'm saying?
	But he has a different point of view and of course, there's other business considerations.
	And now you're telling me 1 more thing that I wouldn't know because I'm not behind the scenes on any of that, but.
	I can say that.
	What I wonder about is, again, you know, we talked about this probably in our last interview, the one you did with me, but just curious because what we're talking about is changing people's sort of awareness, right?
	And waking people up in essence.
	And there's a timeline involved in that.
	What is my vision of a timeline is not the same as yours, is not the same as Juan's, blah, blah, blah.
	Yours is probably closer to mine than ours is to other people though.
	Perhaps, yeah.
	So, you know, it's that kind of thing also, when you hold back information, you hold back the release of a movie and so on and so forth.
	Just curious, are you aware of the White Hat Quantum financial system.
	Have you had any discussions about that?
	Do you feel knowledgeable in that area?
	I would say a basic knowledge of it.
	Not fully.
	In fact, when I first heard about this, I was kind of warning people.
	To keep your discernment up, because if we're still talking about digital currency, and we're talking about a quantum computer, you damn well better trust who's creating the digital currency and the quantum computer, because that can go south quickly if you put your trust in it.
	I said you may be careful, because it could be a controlled opposition.
	So I take, when I look at anything like that, I step back.
	I have a lot of knowledge on the Denar.
	I was actually a premier writer on the Denar probably 17, 18 years ago.
	And I've told people markers to look for, which are now just coming.
	To fruition.
	And I have a lot of people that push Dinara that still call me today and go, is this the market you're talking about?
	And I say, I just got two texts yesterday and I said, so that would be the one and I'll explain to you.
	So it's very interesting, that whole thing.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, so do you have a background financially?
	No, I don't.
	In fact, I had a friend a long time ago that said, you should look into this currency.
	And he gave me an example of what happened in Kuwait.
	And instead of me really investigating, I said, oh, what the heck?
	You know, it's a low investment for a potentially high return.
	Yeah.
	And a lot of people try to turn me away from it.
	And I said, let me investigate this.
	And then that's when I did what I do, like you do.
	And I just dug, dug deep.
	And I found so much information.
	I just started writing on somebody else's forum, but it went viral and then he had a huge following.
	He just started pushing my stuff out because he liked my... I took a very pragmatic approach to it.
	I'm still the same way.
	I don't believe in the Hopium.
	I don't do the fear porn.
	I want to find out the truth seems to be somewhere in the middle and I don't have an ulterior motive.
	I just started really digging into Denar and I found out with most things, if you look for markers, certain things have to happen for this stuff to come true.
	So I never got fired up every time, oh, the RV, it's gonna re-evaluate this weekend.
	I'm just like, that's total BS.
	And the way I knew it is because there were certain markers.
	Now, to me, there was only one, maybe two markers left, which is the good news.
	But you still know they can do, they may not even revalue, they just may make it even and lop off the zeros, which people don't want to hear.
	But I do think there's something there because they have so much gold and minerals in the ground that they can support a revaluation of their currency, which would do really well for people that have it.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Well, I accidentally got involved in that and I'm like the least financial person.
	But because I could invest so little and the upside was so high, the time when I heard about it, which is way, you know, years ago, I just said, what the hell?
	I just give them some, you know, I had to have a, happened to have a little money.
	So, But I think I lost my stuff, but they have records.
	The group I'm in has records.
	But I think I even lost it.
	I don't know what happened to it.
	I don't know.
	But anyway, you're supposed to have a certificate and all this kind of stuff.
	But they know who I am, so...
	Right, exactly.
	But I have heard even one, you know, he did this financial, well it wasn't very financial, but it was, he dealt with this XRP guy, Mel, he's called Mel Carmine.
	He was on his show, I don't know if you saw that.
	Yeah, I've been on Mel's show.
	Mel's going to be on our truth-a-thon tomorrow.
	Okay, but he was just on it, Juan.
	I heard.
	Oh, you did.
	And so you know that he sort of, he doesn't, he just puts down the dinar and the reval of the currency, the dong and all the kind of thing.
	I don't know if he's saying it's simply never going to happen or whether he just doesn't want people to go down that hopium craziness.
	Um, you know, I just invested and completely forgot about it.
	And, you know, it's a miracle that I even know that I did it.
	Um, but I'm terrible like that.
	I, I don't know why I just, it's just because my, you know, your brain, it's just like, you have a focus and I'm so focused in certain areas that I can't seem to get this other stuff into my brain, the monetary stuff.
	Um, I can hear it over and over again, but it doesn't stick.
	That kind of thing.
	Right.
	So it's interesting to hear that you do have some investigation into the dinar.
	I have a friend who was completely obsessed with this for years.
	Used to, you know, text me and call me and, you know, false alarms constantly.
	And I just like, oh my God, you know, this is insane.
	You can't run your life on this stuff.
	And recently, more recently since then is like the latest, you know, the Charlie Ward QFS and, you know, people think they're going to get debt forgiveness.
	And I just think that's so insane.
	You know, whatever.
	I know people have reason for wanting to believe these things, but I'm very suspicious of that.
	So yeah, I was glad that one kind of threw some a bit of cold water in their faces a little bit.
	Yep.
	He's very careful.
	I mean, he's like the patience of a saint as far as I'm concerned because I could never, you know.
	Continue.
	I'm very, you know, I'm a very straight shooter.
	Obviously, you know, I'll just tell you to your face.
	Yes or no, you know how I feel about whatever it is, but He is, you know, I have to say, he's a politician in some ways.
	He really is.
	I told him he's one of the best filibusters on this planet, is what I mean.
	I've had discussions in private with him and I'm like, I'm just looking for an answer.
	And he doesn't even laugh when I say that.
	He just continues on with what he was saying, which is funny.
	He and I, I think we have a similar take on the Nasara Jasara and the RV thing.
	I believe there's something there, but in my opinion, and I frustrated a lot of people, is I think there's a whole clan, yes I call it a clan, of truthers that use this to build a platform and to make money off of it.
	And I know people that literally have lost their vehicles because they purchased this very expensive vehicle just knowing that the RV was going to come every day.
	They plan trips and they've not paid bills.
	And I have many, many people still to this day, they're like, well, I would go to your true tour as soon as the RV comes through.
	Oh God.
	And right.
	And I say, guys, you cannot live your life for what might be.
	You need to live your life for what it is and create your own wealth.
	In fact, I have a program that we're creating called SVG Prosper that just literally is going to teach people principles on health and wealth.
	But I'm not trying to promote that.
	That's just an idea, because I think it's the way that people need the best basics they can get.
	But in regards to Nisar Jasara, one of my biggest challenges if, and I pissed a lot of people off, I'm sure CW is one of it, because he's supposed to interview me 3 or 4 times and he always cancels.
	So, but I say, I'm gonna ask the hard questions.
	Here's the deal.
	So.
	I believe Nisar Jisar is real in concept, and there's some elements about it that make a lot of sense.
	The challenge isn't with that.
	The challenge is that the truthers put out some BS in order to promote their own platforms, and I'll give you an example of that.
	One of the most popular documents that's ever been out literally listed all the things.
	So one of the things is real estate prices will go back down to 1950s levels.
	Within the same document, it says that you will end up getting some form of like a monthly check and all your debt, like you just mentioned, is going to be waived.
	I said, put the brakes on, guys.
	There's still a divine law, and it sounds funny when I say that, called supply and demand, right?
	I said, so if the supply is limited and the demand goes up and you have more money in your pocket, Who in their right mind can say real estate prices are going to go down to the 50s level when there's going to be a mega competition for that?
	I go, just stop.
	So at that moment, I just said, stop the conversation, reset, and let's really dig into what may or may not happen.
	So, for example, let me get into this Dinar thing real quick, if you don't mind, because I think it's very interesting.
	No, I think there are people out there that would love to hear something about it.
	Okay, so what happened is they always compare it to the Kuwait thing.
	Well, the Kuwait thing was like a 10-day war.
	They kind of reset their own currency and so on and so forth.
	Therefore, they made a lot of money really quickly.
	First thing we need to understand is when this whole thing happened, George Bush was in office.
	We now know that George Bush is complete cabal, so he wasn't going to do us any favors with the reset of the currency, or revalue of the currency.
	That wouldn't happen.
	And then it proceeded with, you know, you have the Bushes, and then you have the Obamas, and so on and so forth, and Hillary was supposed to be in office.
	Do I still think something's there?
	I do, because it's extraordinarily undervalued as a currency.
	That being said, there were some markers that need to be hit.
	I'm not going to bore people with all the past markers, but I'll tell you some two markers that I believe have to be hit.
	Okay.
	One is called the HCL, which is a hydrocarbon law.
	And why that's so important?
	is Iraqis made a deal with the Kurds.
	The Kurds is the master fighting force in Iraq.
	They're mountainous people.
	They prevented Turkey from invading their country.
	They were astronomically important in many, many wars, plus helping rid Iraq of ISIS.
	So they made a deal.
	Oh, and they happen to be sitting on one of the biggest oil reserves underneath the ground in their own country.
	Right?
	So they made a deal with the Kurds that we will give you a percentage of all the oil that we sell if you can do this.
	And that would be in the form of what's called a hydrocarbon law.
	There's no way in hell that they're going to revalue a currency until that law is signed By both parties, because they will have the Kurds revolt with that fighting force against Iraq, and there will be a whole mess over there.
	So that is a marker I've been looking for.
	Just lately, that HCL law, hydrocarbon law, has come up to parliament for discussion.
	So now I'm paying attention a little bit.
	That's one.
	Number two, this is just my opinion, why on earth would they revalue the currency and have such a positive thing happen while faux Biden is still in office?
	I don't think that would happen either.
	So those are the two... Okay, that's interesting.
	Yeah.
	Those are the two things.
	So when people make all this hype about it, it just makes me pissed off.
	Right.
	Okay.
	We're going to have to wrap this up pretty quickly here because we've been going for a while.
	I wanted to keep it kind of short and sweet.
	I think we're past that.
	But anyway... We're past the short part.
	I hope we're still on the sweet part.
	So, okay.
	So, but along those lines, did you, do you have other friends besides Juan that are white hats?
	It depends on your definition of white hats, because I'm the first one to say we the people are white hats.
	I have talked to somebody that... Yeah, but I'm talking, okay, I'm talking, you know, in the inside group, the inside.
	Maybe one, and it's a maybe because I don't know.
	Oh.
	Right?
	And somebody else that I've talked to that I believe has actually been in the tunnels underneath Hollywood clearing things out.
	I can say that.
	By the way, do you ever have Gene Decode at your Truth Tour?
	No, and this is hilarious.
	So Gene and I have been kind of in contact back and forth, but never personally.
	Always through like an administrator or an assistant.
	Right.
	And I've been hammered in my chat to get Gene on, get Gene on, get Gene on.
	And I said, okay, I'll work on it.
	Okay.
	Well, you know, he is a funny guy.
	Um, I, he wouldn't talk to me, you know, because he thinks that I get people to, to break their security oaths.
	And so he wouldn't go near me for the longest time.
	And then all of a sudden he, uh, he agreed to do like a, we did a, like a little round table, me, him, and, and I forget the interviewer.
	Which I think it was a Patriot Underground was the guy, I think.
	God, I hope that.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, so I just wondered because, you know, he's a fun guy, but he's, he is a white hat, I would say.
	And he has also, it seems that he might have some personal exposure to going into that some of the underground places.
	He certainly gets a lot of intel on that level.
	Yeah.
	You know, I'm not going to try to evaluate what's true and what's not in that case because he's covering a lot of ground and you know everyone has sources you never know for sure what how much the source material is accurate you know you have to evaluate that's your job right when you get that stuff but um okay he did make a comment which was kind of fun on a recent um thing that he did someone was interviewing him i think it was uh
	Venoman, but I'm not sure.
	But anyway, he said that he doesn't go to conferences because he has seen people go like into a bathroom and come out and they've been shot up with a needle and turned into basically taken over clones or whatever.
	That's what he said.
	So he was told he has some kind of military handler or something like that.
	I kind of he referenced I might not be, you know.
	I'm paraphrasing in my words what he said.
	So I don't know exactly.
	I'm not using his exact words, but that's what he said more or less, which I thought, you know, that's actually, I mean, it's just funny, like a sci-fi movie, but it's probably true to a degree.
	I mean, like if you, this is an interesting thing that I noticed now, I don't know about all your, Conferences I haven't been there physically.
	But the 1 thing that I noticed about conferences is a lot of.
	Crazy stuff goes on at conferences.
	You know what I mean?
	Things that you don't, you as an organizer, don't have anything to do with necessarily, okay?
	And this has been going on for, you know, because I go back a long ways.
	So I can tell you even, you know, back in the old days of the conference, ufology conferences, the whole thing.
	Crazy stuff goes on behind the scenes and not even necessarily good stuff.
	There's also the fact that conferences in in and of themselves I don't know if you've experienced this and I again I'm going to wrap this up but you could call this my last question.
	Have you noticed that they have beamed like scalar weaponry and frequencies at
	your conference when it's going on such that people start you know complaining of headaches or feeling sick or you know and I've had graphic experiences in this regard okay where for example um in what do they call that place uh Laughlin where I went to this Laughlin conference I got deathly ill I mean you know like throwing up deathly ill
	For no reason, all of a sudden, and then, and it went on like all night long or for a day and a night or whatever, I stayed there.
	I got in my car, said, I've had it, I'm leaving.
	I got in my car, I drove out of, you know, it has a circular road there.
	I drove past that circular road and I was instantly better, like insane.
	Any feedback on your experience like that?
	Yeah, several times, unfortunately, at risk of having no ticket sales for our next Truth Tour.
	It has it has it has happened.
	And it's some it's it's serious.
	I would say, though, it seems as if and it's weird, but it's getting less and less.
	I agree.
	So it was really bad a while back in Anaheim.
	We had everything hit us that could possibly hit us in Anaheim.
	People complaining about headaches and weird feelings and that's where that coven of witches was.
	That's where I exposed Russell J. Gould, so a lot of people got very upset with me that I did that, and I exposed Wendy Rogers at another one, so they were very upset with me.
	A lot of people were happy, but I just said, Hey, by the way, this is why a lot of truthers don't interview with me, because It is what it is.
	I just okay.
	Well, I've been now those are you just I mean this kind of a bombshell.
	I never knew you exposed either one of them.
	I knew there was a to-do around Russell J. Gould when he was at your truth or one in Southern California somewhere, right?
	Anaheim.
	That's okay.
	And but I didn't know you outed Wendy Rogers in any way.
	Do you want I mean we can be controversial here if you want to say what you what what did you in what way did you so so called out and I will you know in full disclosure here.
	I'm not a big fan.
	No offense of Russell J. Gould.
	I'm not a fan of that whole.
	Mindset and I have a definite reason why, but I'm not going to color this at the moment with that.
	So, but Wendy Rogers, I thought she did good things.
	I don't know a lot about her because she's an Arizona politician.
	So, I don't, I lived in California and now I'm on the Sierra Nevada border.
	So, I don't really have anything to do with Arizona.
	Go ahead.
	She was invited to one of our Truth Tours.
	I believe it was Mesa, Arizona.
	And she showed up.
	She clearly had her own political agenda.
	She mentioned her connection with Trump so many times, which that was a red flag for me.
	And then I asked her to take questions from the audience.
	And when she did, she almost shamed the people that were asking the questions.
	Right.
	And which I thought was very inappropriate.
	And then when they asked another question, she would filibuster.
	So I stepped and I said, OK, let me ask the questions, thinking that maybe she'll respect the coordinator of the event.
	She tried to filibuster me again and again, and I was just done with her.
	So I said, OK, just go.
	I was just like frustrated.
	So while she was leaving, her handler slash husband told her, you've got to go get the picture.
	And she did the Columbo, where she goes, oh, by the way, to the audience, hey, I have to get this picture.
	She goes, come over here.
	So they were, the audience was very frustrated with them.
	She got every single person, everyone except me in that building, to get behind her with a thumbs up and a smile while she got that photo op.
	Horrible, right?
	So then she started to walk away again, and while she was right there, I said, so folks, let me tell you what you just saw, right?
	You saw a politician that shamed you, filibustered you, and ultimately MK altered you in order to get you to do the picture.
	She did what's called a Columbo, and I explained it right where she was there, and her husband said something to her and grabbed her arm, and they ran out of the building.
	But I thought she was completely disrespectful on the way she handled the audience, so I let her know while she was right there.
	I just wasn't going to have it.
	Okay, well that's unfortunate.
	I can't really speak to that since I haven't really seen her in action.
	I will say, because I'm tracking her because she is in Arizona, she has been doing good work lately.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I do believe there's people that are not good people that are still doing good work because they're being told you better do this or else.
	So I don't know if she's on that level.
	All I know is that day she was just using the audience and she was not responsive in what I thought was a goodly godly way.
	So I just called her out on it.
	Okay.
	And then, um, let me say, uh, just a little piece of information that I got, but whether it's true or not, whether it will end up being true or not, I don't know.
	But they said that I was told by an insider from the Wendy Rogers camp.
	Now I wasn't, excuse me.
	Now I'm losing my voice, right?
	So hold on.
	I was told by someone who was told, so I didn't hear it directly, but they said that the Wendy Rogers group had told them, someone in the group had told them that the elections will never be honest because both sides are in on it.
	And Arizona at least.
	So we've already gotten just this recent kind of lawyer that came forward with the real estate deal behind the scenes and all this craziness.
	I assume you know about that, right?
	Yeah, about the disclosure of the real estate that they've been paying off the politicians.
	Is that what you're referencing?
	Yeah.
	So in a sense, that kind of substantiates this notion.
	I mean, this is going on across the country, and of course, it's always gone on.
	This is the trouble.
	I mean, God, regular politics is just insane in this way.
	Okay, so your next thing, which was Russell J. Gould.
	And I want you to do it in such a way where these people can't sue you or me.
	Yeah, okay.
	My opinion.
	How about we go with that?
	Sure.
	Spellcaster.
	Okay, so we'll go, I'll just say there's, I believe that form of communication is literally spellcasting.
	Anything that's complicated, I'm always very concerned with.
	That's my opinion on that.
	In regards to the issue that we had, is I felt like during the conference, he almost put on a war attire, was talking down to the audience, literally talking down to them like they were stupid, and Disrespecting our military in a way that I just wouldn't have.
	And saying that he was, he was Commander-in-Chief.
	He was in control.
	So I asked him, like, because I am into the learning about human trafficking, so on and so forth.
	I go, well, Russell, if that's the case, why on earth is all the trafficking going on the border?
	He goes, oh, we're going to deal with that.
	We're going to write something up.
	And I go, I go, wait, wait, wait.
	You said you've been Commander-in-Chief for all this time.
	Explain to me why you don't have the power to do something about that.
	And he got, you know, I just got very upset.
	And then what happens is his security stepped forward to intimidate me and then I let them have it.
	And I just, I lost it.
	And then Derek Johnson was listening and he got upset and he got, he got over there and then we were, we were going at it, but that's kind of, I just want to give you the short of it.
	Cause I know we're running low on time, but that was the incident there.
	Again, it was disrespecting the audience.
	Which I'm just never going to have.
	It's just not something I'll put up with.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	We're very interesting.
	Well, the one thing I'll say is that, you know, back in the day, I actually interviewed, I've done a few interviews and I've been interacted with some of these people that advocate this.
	I don't know what you want to call it.
	This, this quantum grammar.
	Yeah.
	The thing about it is that I think it's basically taking Admiralty Law, learning all the ins and outs, and then using it.
	And you cannot use the oppressor's language.
	To get freedom.
	This is insane.
	And I actually told a very, so I guess he's a high level specialist in this area.
	I mean, I'm sure he's very disappointed in me, you know, this, because really that's the bottom line.
	You need to use the language of the people, the language of the street, even.
	If you want to free the people, you're not going to free the people using this by using the methods of the Illuminati, you know, in the end of the day.
	And in a certain sense, I'm also saying the same thing to the White Hats.
	There's got to be a limit.
	You cannot, you know, do the same thing that the enemy is doing and think that you're going to reach a higher level.
	It can't be.
	It just can't be.
	You have to step up to a higher level.
	So I think... Everything you just said, I agree with 100%.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Anyway, well, for anyone watching this, you know, you make your own decisions.
	Obviously everyone has different opinions of all of this, but just in case anyone, you know, there's no point in asking me to interview another one of these people, because I've interviewed several of them.
	And even going back to the original guy who died, I forget his name, David Wynn-Miller.
	That's it, David Wynn-Miller.
	So I've listened to their arguments, but I'm not buying it.
	uh it's a it's a it's a system of oppression thank you very much for watching everyone it's been lots of fun talking to you uh as always and uh i guess i'm on your truth tour virtual thing tomorrow for a certain point too we have truth-a-thon is tomorrow it's a whole marathon excellent and i want to say that you are you are going to florida And Hawaii, right?
	Miami and Hawaii.
	Is that it?
	The Truth-A-Thon will actually be at six stops in Florida and then we'll go to Kauai, Hawaii in April.
	The floor is just... And Kauai is wonderful.
	Really, I mean, I don't know that I could do it because I'm actually leaving for Egypt.
	I'm leading a tour in Egypt for the next, you know, long time right before that.
	So I don't know if I can afford to leave my home again and all that.
	But yeah, I think it's great that you're headed for Hawaii and Kauai in particular is a fabulous sort of spiritual place.
	It's also heavily involved in the military.
	American military is very much ensconced there.
	Thank God.
	Yep, yep.
	Well, you know, I appreciate you, and you can be at any of our tours anytime.
	That's an open invitation.
	Thank you.
	Love it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you very much, Lewis, and you take care, and thanks everyone for watching.
	Thanks, Carrie.
	Take care.

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