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Jan. 17, 2023 - Project Camelot

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KERRY INTERVIEWED BY PATRIOT UNDERGROUND JAN 16, 2023

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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Today is January 16th, 2023.
	Thank you so much for joining me folks to discover the truth beneath the surface.
	I really do appreciate everybody out there taking the time to listen.
	So tonight, I have the honor of welcoming Kerry Cassidy back to the show for our eighth conversation.
	And of course, that's not including the roundtable we did together with Gene Decode.
	And we're definitely going to put another one of those together.
	But Kerry and I are back for another Situation Update.
	And certainly, there has been a wide range of development since the last time that we spoke.
	And we've seen the fiasco of fake Biden's hidden classified documents, which I happen to think could very well be a distraction overall to shift attention away from the real criminality on Hunter Biden's laptop.
	I think we might get into that a little bit tonight.
	I think it's also possible that the White Hats have decided to begin the process of disclosure by revealing to the public That everything the cabal accused Trump of was actually a projection of their own crimes.
	And I do believe the reversal is beginning and it's only going to intensify from here.
	And of course, as always, I'm interested to hear Kerry's take.
	And of course, amidst all this drama, which I believe is largely is the looming question of how is the cabal going to maneuver as I expect they might to take Biden off the chessboard, so to speak.
	I think it's also possible that the White Hats have decided to begin the process of disclosure by revealing to the public that everything the cabal accused Trump of is really a projection of their own crimes as they typically do.
	And I also happen to believe that the reversal is beginning and it's only going to intensify from here.
	And I'm really curious to get Kerry's take.
	And also amidst all this drama, which I believe is largely staged, there's the looming question of how the cabal might maneuver to take Biden off the chessboard, so to speak.
	And I also happen to think that the enemy strings at this point in many cases are being pulled by the alliance.
	And I'm curious to get your take on that.
	So why don't we start there tonight?
	You can give us your take on some of these recent developments, give us a sense for where this clown show might be headed next, because it's just getting more and more ridiculous in my view.
	But the positive thing is I am very Optimistic in the sense that I'm seeing the tide beginning to turn.
	As always, you have a great perspective that the audience is really curious about.
	So is this classified document story, in your view, a distraction by the cabal to serve as a smokescreen?
	Because I know you kind of wrote something about this in one of your recent blogs having to do with the Hunter laptop, excuse me, and thereby sort of hide these darker details at the bottom of the rabbit hole and somehow provide a rationale for Biden to step down or to be removed without getting into and thereby sort of hide these darker details at the bottom of the rabbit hole and
	Or could it be that the White Hats might be using the classified docs as an inroad to begin the process of fully exposing all of Biden's crimes ahead of perhaps maybe impeaching him, maybe a 25th Amendment moves.
	So why don't we start there?
	You can just give us your thoughts on that.
	We'll see where that goes.
	Okay, well, thank you.
	Great to see you again, so to speak, and be on your show.
	I do want to say that, as I actually wrote to you, and I've been posting on my Telegram, so people that don't go to my Telegram, I should tell you that I do post there every single day.
	And some of the things I post are, you know, just things that I hear news that I see that I think is worth taking a look at.
	It doesn't mean I am promoting whatever that is, and it doesn't mean I agree with it.
	So it's important to make that distinction.
	On the other hand, I do post comments a lot.
	And 1 of my comments recently is that I do think that this whole, Sudden discovery, which I was, I was listening to someone say that it actually was found in November.
	It didn't come to light until now, so it didn't come to the public eye, but one can assume that somehow these documents were already beginning to be unearthed in November, the same time as when Trump was being sort of raked through the coals for his supposed classified documents, which, as it happens, all presidents take classified documents during their administration.
	And from what we know, and I believe Trump himself has said this, we even now, to this day, those presidents may have those classified documents.
	So this kind of new thing about going into people's garages and locked doors and so on.
	I mean, in Trump's case, it wasn't extreme with the FBI and the whole nine yards.
	That was a whole Democrat attack.
	And even there, there was a lot of sort of Intel out at the time that what they're really doing was putting pressure on Trump.
	To try to get him to turn over the codes, the nuclear codes, et cetera, which he does have and I've said on several broadcasts that I was at Minden, Nevada when he did a show and and he told the crowd that he has the codes.
	So, if he didn't say it in other places, he definitely said it there and I was there in person now.
	So back to Biden and, you know, this is so obvious, okay?
	So one would think, just kind of wrap your mind around this thought, that if they were digging for Trump's documents, so-called documents, even though he basically gave them to them, showed them what he had, and then they wanted to break in anyway, so it's kind of a weird twist of fate, but
	What happens is that immediately when that happens, you can imagine the Democrat, I keep wanting to say demon crats, but Democrats would have wanted to check whether Biden had the same thing.
	You can see how the mind works, right?
	You can't be a lawyer and be deaf, dumb and blind.
	If this is happening to Trump, it's got to be happening to Biden, right?
	So, of course, and there's some background feedback coming from your mic, I think, over there.
	Anyway, so just saying that, that being the case, they must have known about those documents.
	It's kind of strange because the Trump side would have also done the same thing.
	They would have Known or or even could have a, you know, there could be a leak on the Biden side that would have told them that Biden had the same thing and that they could go after them.
	Then you get the sort of dog and pony show for the public.
	And now it comes out now after they've gone through the whole change of Congress and getting the speaker of the house ironed out and that sort of thing.
	So.
	This is kind of where we're at.
	I have to say that what I was writing on my telegram and to you this morning was, and it sounds like we're on the same page with this, is that I think the real nitty-gritty of the treason of Biden and his son and the intricate details, the business details of what they did in the Ukraine
	And with regard to the CCP in China and the money, the amounts of money that exchanged hands there.
	So you've got even when he was vice president.
	So, so Biden has a long trail.
	Okay.
	And misdeeds, you might say.
	Now, I don't know why no one mentions this, but I saw, and I actually don't have it now in front of me or anything, but I saw a guy that went state's witness on Biden and actually documented the fact that he was being delivered children.
	Um, for nefarious reasons, while he was on the road, even running for office, uh, for, uh, for president that his wife was involved.
	So, okay.
	So, so disclaimer here is that I, I saw the interview with this guy who, again, I don't have his name, but it was on the web.
	Now, I don't know if it's been scrubbed or if it's still out there, but it details.
	This kind of behavior on the part of Biden and his wife being involved as a facilitator, strangely, and and of course, Hunter Biden has, you know, all kinds of incriminating stuff.
	Having to do with sex and whatever else, and all of this is on the I'm sure on the Biden laptop.
	So, what I think is happening is there's a kind of a trade off going on between the white hats.
	and the Democrats and they're making a deal that they'll use these documents the classified documents story that every president has and maybe they're fairly tame okay nothing too incriminating there because it you know classified documents don't necessarily deal with Biden okay they could deal with anything anything removed from Biden could could be just some national security
	Issue or something Biden, you know, wanted to keep record of and on the other hand, there could be some real incriminating evidence there, but it just seems like this is kind of a. Let's make a deal thing going on where he doesn't get tried for treason.
	He doesn't get tried for and taken down.
	And he doesn't and his son doesn't get get tried for treason and instead he gets like a slap on the wrist.
	Oh, you shouldn't have done that.
	Now you're going to have to step down and that's how they're going to do it.
	So a soft landing now, that's just my take on it at the moment.
	I'm not saying I'm right, but there is incriminating evidence as I say, that goes much, much deeper.
	Into the Biden background and his dealings and his son's dealings, which I believe would absolutely point to treason because even the stolen election.
	Which had to be done with Biden's knowledge and okay.
	What it did was it was letting MI6, the Vatican, Germany and the Vatican satellites and also the CCP.
	So we've got all these organizations and they could be other players as well.
	I think Canada might have been involved.
	So we're really talking about.
	A whole trail that is so deep.
	It's just, you know, the guy could be tried for treason for so many things.
	The whole administration and all the people backing him could also be tried for treason.
	Okay, if you understand the background behind the stolen election, and of course, 107 has documented this very well over the last year or two.
	So I'm not going to go back over all that, but so just taking all of that into account, that's kind of my take.
	We can go, you know, down that road some more or whatever questions you have.
	Yeah, I'm sort of wondering there because there does seem to be, I mean, on the surface it does almost appear that way, like there's some kind of a deal in the works to, you know, or, you know, there's also the possibility though that the, you know, the cabal could be trying to somehow Get ahead of this in a way and sort of be on a fast track to try to get rid of Biden so that even if the White Hats do come forward with all of these details from the Biden laptop, which I think is inevitable one way or another.
	I mean, I just don't see how they can bury that and then, you know, come forward with the truth about all the other elites and what they've been up to.
	It may be that, you know, just for optics purposes or, you know, for trying to switch, you know, the narrative to try to direct the consciousness of the masses toward one direction so that somehow they'll discount some of these other things that Biden, you know, fesses up to Certain things or, you know, they come up with some sort of a rationale to get rid of him.
	But it definitely seems like they're all turning on him.
	It's very interesting because the mainstream media is really starting to chime in as well.
	And, you know, this is kind of built into some of my other questions for tonight, but they're starting to sing a different tune on a lot of different subjects.
	And, you know, I think maybe what we could do is sort of pivot into COVID because this is An area where I'm seeing a massive, massive shift in the narrative.
	Now, I don't know if you've picked up on this as well, but, you know, I mentioned earlier that the tide is turning, at least in my view.
	And, you know, that was actually the major theme of my last podcast, particularly with regard to this COVID narrative.
	Because we have doctors now coming out of the UK on live TV, on the BBC, linking the jab to strokes, and then the very next day, The CDC comes out, they say they're gonna open up an investigation into exactly that, the connection between the jab and strokes, and of course, all of these cardiovascular incidents.
	And then, of course, we have the FDA chief come out and call for an immediate end to all of these jabs, acknowledging, in essence, that millions of people are dropping dead.
	And this guy, I think his name is, oh, what was his name?
	Dr. Offit, I believe.
	Paul Offit, I wanna say.
	I may be wrong on that, but he was a member of the FDA's Vaccine Advisory Committee and he wrote this article that was published in the New England Journal of Medicine calling for an end of mass vaccination, excuse me, particularly for those people who are at low risk from the quote-unquote virus.
	And then of course we have the Fauci Twitter files looming as well that are only going to up the ante, so to speak, as the public are increasingly coming out of their coma With regard to this biological attack on humanity.
	So give us your thoughts on what's happening with COVID.
	Do you see this as a tide shift?
	Because I know that's something that you've been, you know, pretty consistent about in your messages that the white hats are moving too slowly.
	And, you know, in a lot of ways I've concurred with your assessment.
	So, you know, what are your thoughts on the COVID front?
	Do you see the tide shift as I described it?
	And, you know, where do you see this heading?
	Uh, well, I've written an article that is getting some notice out there and I haven't actually backed it up with a video on the subject, but I've already done so many videos and maybe, you know, the public's memory is short.
	So they, they haven't even, you know, they don't remember that, but.
	Yeah, I so so what I said is I said I think it was a not so sudden I said predicted not so sudden death is is really what we're seeing.
	So I know that there's this Stu Peters did a very good film about sudden death, but I just want to say that, you know, there are so many.
	Doctors out there who over the last two or three years, and I'm actually trying to remember this one, Dr. Zelenko, I guess it is.
	He's passed on now, sadly.
	He was one of the people also chiming in here and Dr. Tenpenny, she's out there very public.
	Uh, you know, there's so many doctors who have predicted exactly what's happening now.
	So, when people say sudden death, yeah, it's sudden for the person who is completely clueless.
	And of course, their family members members, but.
	The reality is they were told, and the writing was on the wall.
	Michael Yadin, he was a former head of Pfizer, came out and really, I mean, they really hard-lined it.
	They said unequivocally, and they gave time periods, and one of those time periods, I think, was, and in my article, I've actually quoted another article, and I quoted it in its entirety because it was written by I forget his first name, but Fishman is the last name, and he apparently had a discussion with a member of the Illuminati, a Freemason, who lays it on the line, man.
	Just saying, they predicted, they knew it was going to happen, and this is their side saying it.
	This is the dark side, okay?
	So, coming from the Illuminati, who were instrumental I mean, we keep looking at Big Pharma and seeing Fauci, and as far as I'm concerned, he's on the same level or worse than Hitler.
	But behind the scenes, we have these dark magicians who have planned this for so many years.
	And this all links to the transhuman agenda.
	And so in my article, and in my other talks, all this last two and a half, three years, I have been talking non-stop about, you know, exactly what I've been told by whistleblowers who I've dealt with, like Dr. David Adair, like
	This NASA scientist, like Mark Richards, Captain Mark Richards, who's in prison for the past 35, actually more than 35 years, an enemy of the deep state, and so on.
	In other words, I was warned.
	It was explained to me how this thing works.
	How the nanographene oxide does exactly what it was shown to do, which is it builds these chains.
	It basically takes over your system, and you can imagine that it wraps around your heart, and by the time it takes that over, it's constricting the blood vessels.
	It's also giving you blood clots, etc, etc.
	So, all of this has been explained numerous times, not just by me, but by I don't know if I can remember his name, but I have all this documented on my website.
	And, you know, Carrie Madej, who used a microscope and other doctors.
	There's a doctor.
	I don't know if I can remember his name, but I have all this documented on my website.
	It's just extensive.
	I mean, it's just crazy amount of information.
	So, no surprise here.
	You know what I mean?
	No real sudden deaths, but actually, as predicted, these people are now dying.
	And I do say in my article, one of the things that will trigger The growth or the activation of this nanographene oxide is athletics.
	It is a rise in body temperature.
	That is what kicks it off.
	And so this is where you get the athletes dying like flies and sad to say and very tragic.
	But it also has to do with, you know, people again that are on this timeline that it's inevitable.
	Stress will do it.
	And 5G will do it if you get into a zone, you know, like an airport, for example, airports have heightened amounts of 5G.
	So, travelers are going to be prone to this sort of thing, pilots, etc.
	So, this is what, you know, this has been all explained, all predicted, and this is over the last two, three years.
	So, nothing new here.
	All it is, is the rollout of the actual, you know, deaths.
	You know, sad to say.
	So, now, you think there's something good coming along, because some people are coming forward And, you know, recently there was an article just today, I think I put it on my telegram saying the BBC was a place where a lot of BBC employees were pasting the pictures of all the COVID deaths in their friends and family.
	And that came out.
	So that's a good sign.
	Now, I also want to give a plug here, and I'm going to be interviewing He is now a former MP.
	They actually, you know, they basically suspended him.
	I assume it might be permanent, but his name is Andrew Bridgen.
	included information in his video on the post that I made about the COVID.
	He has come out in Parliament raising the number of deaths, raising the fact that children, they were about to give it to six-year-old and below children.
	And he has a little child, so of course he felt his conscience made him Come forward to to to protest this using the evidence at hand some of the evidence.
	Um, and my God, it's there's so many volumes of evidence, you know, like I say, even the head advisor warned against this.
	So you've got to look at that and you've got to see that.
	Yes, there may be some turning of the tide because they can't they cannot avoid the blow back here.
	The blow back is coming.
	Okay.
	So, it's kind of like if you saw a huge wave coming towards you, and you have to start doing something to get out of the way, like a tsunami of evidence that's been out there all along.
	Again, for the last 2-3 years, it came out really quickly, and many doctors put their lives and their practices on the line.
	In order to come forward and tell the truth and then by the same token, there are plenty of doctors and nurses who are basically guilty as far as I'm concerned of murder.
	They have murdered their patients.
	And I was just looking at something out there that said there was somebody out there protesting saying, oh, she was a health worker and they told them what the risks were.
	Actually, this was documented on video.
	You could have gone to your pharmacist, asked them to show you that little piece of paper that's wrapped up in the package.
	And they opened it up and it was blank.
	And this was, this was put out everywhere.
	So that's, those are lies.
	You know, these people are lying to cover their asses.
	And so, um, I guess I'm not quite as optimistic as you are.
	I'm also concerned because, um, S.G.
	Anand, who's going to be on my show tomorrow, so I'll have a chance to... It's going to be awesome, by the way, everyone.
	Yeah, set your calendar for tomorrow, Karen's interviewing S.G.
	Anand.
	It should be a lot of fun and he I had asked him many months ago and he dug out that email.
	I don't he said somehow someone mentioned me or something like that, or said to go through his email and double check that he had answered everything.
	And, of course, he didn't answer me.
	So he answered me very cordially.
	And he apologized for the long time between me inviting him.
	Actually, that was the second email I'd sent him.
	I'd sent him another one many months back in like June, I think it was.
	But he didn't reply to that either.
	now he's replied he's he's coming on my show and kudos to him you know that's very brave of him i i think it's gonna be fascinating i can tell you that's yeah it's gonna be fun and and he he's he you know he he seems i've been giving him stuff i gave him my uh dark outpost uh
	You know, video to take a look at and also my article, my recent article, because I want him to be prepared for who I am and for how I come across so that he doesn't get blindsided.
	Which, you know, who knows.
	But he's also going to come out in public.
	He says his face, at least.
	Not his name, but his face.
	And I think there was a sneak peek I'm hearing on Nino's show today or yesterday, but he's coming out supposedly at the end of the month.
	So I don't think that he's going to do it on my show, but of course he's welcome to.
	You know, it's always... I think he's just getting tired of people thinking he's Phil Godlewski, period.
	Yeah, I think that that's also, you know, kind of pushing against him, but I think there are other reasons, and I do want to address that, so I hope I don't get too long-winded.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	You know, I think it's interesting because this whole idea of the White Hats and how, you know, part of my issue with all of this is the masking, okay?
	Is the clones, the use of doubles, Constantly in order to soften the blow or the eventual blow that would hit the mainstream that these people are, you know, are dying are being brought up on tribunals and even being executed.
	So.
	And and for other reasons as well, you know, just recently there's been talk about McCarthy and whether he's the same guy and, you know, it just goes on and on.
	And when you have this kind of.
	House of Mirrors, this type of, you know, Rostial Minds situation.
	You're not going to awaken people when you have that going on because it's just, it's a hall of shadows and, you know, and mirrors, as I say.
	And those people who are unawakened are not going to be awakened by shadows, okay?
	That's actually what they will run from.
	So I think The approach, this is my issue.
	My issue is not with the platform of the White Hats, not with their intention, as I've said on other videos, which I wholly and totally agree with.
	But it is the rolling out of their plan, the way they're administering it.
	And I understand the generals and an AI have given them strategic advice ongoing.
	And I think that they've changed some of their ways along the path.
	I think, in fact, I got a verification, which I can't reveal, but they, I don't know what's going on with my dog, but basically they, I was even told that, you know, there were some things that came along that kind of delayed things.
	So it wasn't my imagination that things were going slow.
	They actually, or everyone's, you know, because I have a lot of support for my thoughts here.
	But it was real.
	Okay.
	The delays that we sensed or the slowness now.
	I want to get into some of this because I don't know where people are at mentally with this whole idea of the Ukraine war and the way Russia is slowly going into Ukraine and taking down these various places.
	And I just have to tell you that one of the things in talking to Captain Mark Richards, who is I consider one of the best whistleblowers out to ever come forward.
	And I've done 12 interviews with him over 5 years, and it was fascinating to me to find out.
	that and he's even written about this in some of his publications uh that his wife Joanne Richards publishes on so it's called something i i've got it on the i've got the link on my front page but it's called i think earth headquarters something headquarters anyway um but he he basically says that wars between ets and humans can last like 45 minutes
	It's very interesting when you realize that the, you know, when Trump says he has the codes, he is not just talking nuclear and we were told a long time ago.
	In Camelot and and you know, I've been doing this again for for people that are new and watching this for 18 years as an investigative journalist and interviewer broadcaster and and traveling the world doing this.
	Okay.
	So doing my interviews in person initially, it's YouTube wasn't even up to speed to do what we're doing now back in those days.
	Right?
	So I've kind of grown up with YouTube.
	And so what happens is this timeline that we're on, in my view, okay, is also being mitigated by the White Hats kind of mentality, which I was told about, believe it or not, many years ago, before Q came forward, okay, because I was dealing with White Hats.
	They have been around now ever since the Kennedy assassination, and very likely before.
	So if you don't understand the history of the White Hats, you have to put that history in and them in context with that history and understand that these plans were absolutely in the works behind the scenes.
	And, uh, and I think it was recently that SG Anon, just like in number 35, just alluded to the fact that they were involved in, um, God, I can't remember right off the top of my head, a certain incident that happened like years ago.
	And he was, oh, not the burning of Notre Dame.
	He actually took the white, he gave the white hats credit for that incident.
	Okay.
	And that it was targeted because Notre Dame had become a place where children and human slavery and trafficking was going on.
	So it was some kind of depot underneath the Notre Dame.
	So they attacked it.
	So when you go back and re-look at that historical event, and this is years ago, and I was actually in Paris after this happened, And, you know, it was very striking.
	They burned it, the White Hats burned it early, because they were planning on trying to usher in the Antichrist, and they basically burned the place down early.
	I don't remember the specific details, but he's talked about it on my show, but yeah.
	All right, fine.
	Yeah, so what I'm saying here is that the White Hats have a certain, this is a worldview, I guess you might say.
	Now, they're predominantly Male and they are predominantly, um, sort of, uh, older.
	All right.
	That's my guess.
	And I suppose the military arm is, is not all older because militaries have to be young, but.
	You know, the plan is rolled out by an older crowd.
	By virtue of that, one of the things they wanted to do was to keep the status quo as much as possible.
	And that's actually been their approach.
	So when you have that as a caveat, and you want to change the world, those 2 things will easily collide.
	All right, so then you have to make a decision.
	And this may even get into the Biden situation.
	They don't want to shock the public.
	It's like always trying to sort of soften the blow some way, somehow, so that they don't get, again, civil war.
	All right?
	So this is a big concern.
	They don't want to destroy the infrastructure of the United States.
	They want to keep as much intact as possible.
	So that influences Some of their decisions to do things that could have happened much faster.
	And I'm going to take issue right here with the financial rollout, because this is another piece of that puzzle that they're taking a really long time to roll out.
	All right.
	And by virtue of that, they say they're trying to take down the old stuff before they raise the new.
	But I have to tell you that taking down the old stuff and raising up the new could have happened.
	You know, we're talking this is a digital world, okay?
	This is a world in which these things could have happened overnight.
	And many of the things that they say they want to take down, they want to destroy first, okay?
	This is also a sort of something that you might want to think about a little more.
	Because just how much destruction are they going to allow to happen on their watch?
	And at what point are they responsible when the destruction happens on their watch, if you understand?
	Okay, so you cannot know and have full knowledge of something, and I'm talking on a spiritual soul level, and allow it to continue because it serves a purpose.
	I spoke about this, I think, on my dark outpost, but I want to reiterate it.
	In other words, saying that the end just justifies the means.
	This is an Illuminati principle.
	Okay, this is how they always operate.
	They'll do anything to get what they want.
	No holds barred.
	And that is not, I am hoping, you know, see, I have this idea that because Kennedy, you know, John F. Kennedy was the inspiration and is the inspiration ongoing for the White Hats and the way they're operating, because his son, who S.G.
	Anand very nicely said is going to come out this year, I'm sure everyone heard that.
	So, you know, and my premise of who that is.
	In other words, he is there.
	It's on his watch.
	He is instrumental and he is the inspiring figure behind the scenes.
	Trump is as well.
	They're actually a duo, right?
	But.
	This is this is very important to start to see the big picture to see why they do what they do, how they do what they do.
	And then, if you're in my position, and you knew about them, even years ago, and I worked with them, I, I, I even did a report for them called black projects follow the money and it's on my website.
	If you want to read it.
	Because they wanted me to talk about that whole alien rollout and all of that.
	So.
	This is it's very important because now let's get to Ukraine, because I'm seeing Russia do the same thing.
	I'm seeing this Ukrainian war that could have taken a month now taking.
	Literally years, okay?
	So you've got two things going on.
	You've got a distraction on the surface that has to do with taking down, I don't know, power plants and things like that when you're going to conquer a country.
	But the reality is the weaponry they have, and this is this is key, okay?
	So a lot of people may not be on the same page with me on this, but I know damn well that if the, you know, White Hats listen to me, they know what I'm talking about, okay?
	Okay.
	They have directed energy weapons.
	They have particle beam weapons.
	They have technology that is easily 10,000 years in advance of what you think they have.
	All right?
	So they don't have to destroy infrastructure in order to take over a country.
	And they don't have to.
	This boots on the ground, shoot them up.
	This is bullshit.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry.
	It just is.
	They don't have to do this.
	They don't need to follow these, these rules of old school World War 2, you know, war in order to take down the Ukraine.
	It's just ridiculous.
	And so then you have to have to look underground because a lot of what went on in Ukraine and continues to go on.
	Is underground and they have to take down the bio labs.
	Okay.
	So those are all being handled underground and therefore you won't even see the troops, the special forces that go in and deal with that.
	But at this point, what do we got?
	We bought at least a year of the Ukraine war as far as I know, maybe even longer, maybe 2 years.
	So, this is what we're looking at.
	We are looking at a purposeful, slow rollout of all of these things.
	Now, let's look at Klaus Schwab and George Soros, who were supposedly at the The World Economic Forum today, as I speak, and there was some earlier delay or something in Schwab didn't show up right away.
	Soros supposedly walked out that came by way of Nino.
	I don't know where he got that information, but it sounded.
	Plausible, I understand Schwab has now done a, you know, been on camera and so he is there, but what they're planning to do there and I know I'm making a segue here, but this is there's a reason why going slow is not going to be to our benefit.
	Okay.
	And one of those things is that the dark side is not sleeping.
	They are not going slow, okay?
	They have a sort of a timeline.
	They've had their plan for going on, I don't know, a million years, you know?
	In other words, they know and they've known what they want to see happen.
	So you're dealing with an enemy that is not slowed down by wanting to keep the status quo.
	They don't have that problem, okay?
	Schwab tells you to your face.
	You're going to have nothing and be happy.
	You're going to be chipped and be happy.
	I mean, they have it all lined up, all right?
	So the minute they start stacking things up like they're doing right now in Davos, Is getting countries to vote on whether they're going to turn all their rights over to these individuals.
	Okay.
	And to this organization to be to the 1 world government.
	All right.
	Now, of course, United States isn't going to go with that, but with Biden, the Biden clone, the Bible double as he is now, because the clone they killed, I think, listen, this is front and center.
	Right now.
	We don't have time to lose.
	Tell them no.
	All right?
	Get rid of Biden.
	I mean, look, this is a dog and pony show that is supposed to awaken people.
	Again, I deal with awakening people every day of my life and get letters to that effect.
	And I can tell you that when you avoid, when you try to keep the status quo, when you keep putting in puppet after puppet, When you keep distracting and misleading people as to what you're really doing.
	When they can't see you as heroes because you won't even show your faces.
	These ways of behaving are not inspiring.
	You're going to have trouble getting these people to follow you when they can see that you have sat around on your asses while certain things rolled out, and you even helped to allow these things to happen, a la President Trump and Warp Speed and speeding them along to get their vacs out.
	Why not just say no?
	In other words, yes, it is push come to shove.
	It's like mano-mano and then they have to go to war.
	It's an outright war as opposed to a clandestine war, which is what they're conducting right now.
	You know, I'm not saying I'm an expert.
	I'm not a military expert.
	I'm not an AI, but I'm not stupid either.
	And I can tell you that People out there are realizing that these things are happening on their watch.
	In other words, you cannot say that Trump is commander-in-chief and at the same time send billions of dollars to Ukraine.
	On his watch, okay?
	You can't have Trump protesting the border and the armies of CCP coming in through the border and, you know, and the Mexican cartels taking over the border and moving even further, you know, north.
	Into places like El Paso, where Nino lives, etc.
	In other words, the destruction and the degradation of our country is happening on that watch.
	On the watch of Trump being Commander-in-Chief.
	You can't have one person out there broadcasting that Trump is Commander-in-Chief, voted in by the military in March of 2021.
	And then Trump going out in public saying, wow, they're really, you know, ruining the border, aren't they?
	I mean, do you understand that there's a discontinuity and I am not the only one who sees it?
	I don't know why they actually act, you know, we live in an internet world.
	I certainly do.
	In other words, we get instantaneous information from around the world, okay?
	We don't have pockets of audiences, okay, like you used to have in the old days, where some of those people wouldn't get clued in until maybe even a year later when you went on tour there.
	and spoke in person.
	It's not like that, okay?
	Everyone is gonna get what I'm talking about.
	They're gonna look back, they're gonna say they lost their father, you know, their uncle, their this one, their that one, their son, their daughter, on the watch in which Trump was actually commander-in-chief.
	Do you understand How are they going to be persuaded that this was the right thing to do, that this was the right path?
	That they're doing it because they didn't want to upset the status quo, because they were afraid of civil war.
	They were afraid of the people, of what the people would do if they truly knew.
	But they're gonna know at some point, and more and more are learning.
	So, you know, I'll get off the soapbox.
	Well, no, I think that's a really powerful point, because you're right.
	I mean, once this information really fully hits home with people, and I happen to think that, yes, I mean, I do tend to be more on the optimistic side of things, but I do believe that when the Fauci files fully hit, I mean, when you see the things that are trending on Twitter right now, even though that's not Really my realm, you know, I don't, I have a Twitter, there's probably like 200 people on there, but you know, there's no denying that there's, it is the biggest social media platform in the world.
	And when you've got these topics trending, like, you know, follow the white rabbit or, you know, adrenochrome, or, you know, some of the things that have been trending on Twitter, I mean, you can't really deny that that is shifting sort of the, you know, the public narrative.
	Now we could obviously debate all day long the extent to which it's really waking people up, but I do think it's a step in the right direction, but nevertheless, When the Fauci files fully hit, I happen to think this is going to be a real big game changer for people because I think they're going to start to finally realize that they were duped.
	You know, the chickens are coming home to roost on this thing.
	I don't think they're going to be able to deny it for much longer.
	And I think that's going to be a pretty significant game changer.
	Now obviously that, you know, the counter argument, as you well know, and I'm sure, you know, you bring this up with SG to an extent, but you brought this up many times and I'm sure you well know the counter argument, which is, you know, that there are ongoing operations and, you know, that this is really about In essence, where we go one, where we go all.
	Where we go one, we go all.
	Excuse me, just trying to get as many people on board and awakened ahead of this massive event that's going to be happening.
	But, you know, there's many different ways you could dissect that.
	I mean, I've looked at this from multiple different angles and wondered to myself, is it ever going to get to the point where, you know, while the mainstream media is still in place, that the public is really going to fully snap out of their coma?
	You know, as long as there's something there that's big and shiny and obviously what they've always known their entire lives and trusted to tell them that this is all a conspiracy theory, this is all fake news, that this is all not real, I think that people, especially people who have been jabbed, who don't want to acknowledge this, who want to continue living in this fantasy, they're going to continue to gravitate toward that until that completely falls down.
	That's always been my basic premise, but I have to admit, like I said, the Twitter releases and I think this information about COVID that's who knows when it's going to come out but I can imagine it's going to be relatively soon I think is going to have a major impact to what extent it's going to snap people out of their comas I don't know but I certainly think it's a step in the right direction.
	Okay.
	I'm not arguing that point.
	What I'm saying is they're making progress, but it's slow and it's purposefully.
	I agree with that.
	Oh, okay.
	So it's not the fact of their actions.
	It's the fact of.
	The, the communication with the public and, and their actual actions in certain cases, like, okay, this rollout of what's going on.
	Andrew Bridgen.
	Lost his position as an MP in Britain.
	That happened last week.
	Okay.
	He's coming on my show on Friday.
	Just so you know, you know, this is this is a train like a train, you know, and it's going at a certain rate and because of that rate people are suffering and dying and there's a rationale for what they're doing and I'm sure they're going to explain all this but it's very important to realize that a lot of people are not going to have necessarily
	The patients to go with that narrative when they're, they've been affected.
	You know, people write to me every day about this.
	Okay.
	They, they don't have the patients.
	Okay.
	And they, they're the ones that are awakened.
	God knows what's going to go on with the people that are supposed to be awakening and actually aren't.
	It's also important to realize that when we're talking about programming, this is what's happening.
	You're non-stop.
	These people who are programmed are non-stop being programmed again every day and every night through their televisions, through the nonsense in the mainstream media, which is dominating to this day, okay, on every level.
	And so, yes, you have Twitter, some Twitter releases and things, but what they basically can do is ignore it.
	And I think that's what they predominantly do.
	People that are, you know, in a state of programmed MK ultra all their life and every single day that goes by.
	It continues.
	They're still being programmed by their teachers.
	They're still being programmed by the law enforcement agencies and the nonsense they put out.
	They're still being programmed by their churches and the military itself.
	Only recently did the military step back off Demanding that the military be jabbed.
	How many military people lost their jobs, lost their military futures during the last 2 or 3 years?
	Because I know people that have.
	Okay.
	Do you think they're going to thank them now for turning it around?
	You gotta, again, put this in perspective.
	You may have a civil war anyway.
	Do you understand that people will have a civil war because they, you knew and they didn't.
	Okay.
	And you didn't make it clear and you didn't put it in their faces.
	In other words, you kept the secrets and you kept Biden in place.
	S.G.
	Anand said.
	He actually said we put him in place, which was wrong, you know, and he misspoke.
	I'm going to talk to him about that.
	But the bottom line is he said many times that they're keeping they were keeping Biden in place and that we had 2 presidents and that we have 2 whole administrations.
	This has been a dog and pony show.
	For for 234, maybe, maybe 6 years, maybe even longer and we've lost, you know, voters have voted in elections and they knew they were going to be stolen.
	And sure enough, they were stolen, you know, and and and and it goes on.
	So.
	Again, this, you know, I'm just, I'm just highlighting these points.
	I do want to move on.
	I don't want to stay on this sort of sure.
	No, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	We can pivot a little bit.
	Yes, so I do want people to realize that on Friday I'll be interviewing Andrew Bridgen, that he did lose his, you know, he's got a livelihood, he's basically, all he did was speak, and in fact most of the MPs had left the room, but he spoke in Parliament objecting to You know, the number of people that are dying from the jabs and the fact that no one was mentioning it in the entire British government.
	All right, so you're saying something's coming out in the news this whole time.
	We've seen things come out in the news, but nothing has changed and I can tell you.
	That foreigners coming into our country on airplanes are still being forced to have a PCR test and the PCR test, which is not enough in the general public's knowledge.
	Contains the graphene oxide, the nanographene oxide and other toxins that can make you sick just like the jab.
	So this is still ongoing.
	All right.
	And let me also say that there are certain people saying they're rolling out another version of the bioweapon.
	All right.
	In fact, they've got I have 1 whistleblower said they have 200 versions.
	This is going simultaneously, okay?
	So, at any moment, they could try to shut us down again.
	They could try to jab us, force jab us again.
	In other words, we are not in a static situation.
	We are in a moving target, and we are the target.
	Alright?
	And I don't go along with the idea that the dark side are weakened and they're running scared and all this nonsense.
	It's a lie.
	It is a lie.
	Whether individuals are afraid because they're being tracked.
	down and they don't want to go to Guantanamo or not well yeah they're human right sort of human uh but the bottom line is that you know this we're looking at a this bastion of power i've got a whistleblower behind the scenes telling me that the bricks that what people think are the bricks have all been replaced by people that are either clones or sympathetic to
	To the dark side.
	That the bricks that everyone thinks is going to be rescuing us from the financial, you know, debacle that's hitting, they're all on the side of the dark.
	So, look at this situation, you know.
	Do not be deceived.
	Do not go back to sleep thinking it's all handled.
	It's not.
	And the White Hats are not in charge.
	And you can point to certain incidents and certain things going on, like the billions going over to Ukraine.
	And you can clearly see that if they're in charge, they're doing shit all about it.
	All right?
	So, I realize they're doing wonderful, brave things behind the scenes.
	Okay?
	I realize they're rescuing children from underground bases.
	But you know what?
	This battle that we're in and that they're involved in.
	Even though people don't know they're there a lot of people say they don't even exist and I've written articles about that.
	You know, their PR to the mainstream is like.
	Zilch the bottom line is that they are going to be conducting this war in front of people and behind the scenes for the next 10 years at least.
	Okay, because what they're dealing with is something that was put in place.
	eons ago and with the et the help of the ets and basel switzerland and the right to issue is still in the hands from the financial contact contacts that i have is still in the hands of the dark side This reset that they're rolling out is their plan and they're going to continue to roll it out.
	And meanwhile, what are the White Hats doing and what are they doing to have a public face?
	Now, yes, if John F. Kennedy Jr.
	comes forward, takes off his ridiculous disguise, and Reveals himself and his military training and background, which is incredible above the level of generals, by the way, then maybe overnight this whole thing could change.
	Based on him and him alone, because he has that kind of outreach from his earlier life.
	And that would be a shock to the whole public.
	Okay.
	So you're not buying this whole narrative then that the White Hats are really pulling the strings behind the scenes?
	No, they are pulling some of them.
	Look, they're running, what's his name, McCarthy, okay?
	Trump is running McCarthy.
	They've made some kind of deal with him.
	Either he's the real guy or he's a, you know, a clone or a double.
	All right, at this point.
	They're running Pelosi is supposed to be have been taken to Guantanamo.
	So it's not the real Pelosi anymore.
	You know, the list goes on.
	I'm on board with a lot of that.
	Okay.
	So I believe that even as SG says, Hillary Clinton is dead and gone.
	Okay.
	But the truth still hasn't come out.
	How does that serve anyone?
	You know, think about it.
	When you've got a clone in her place and she's still making headlines.
	You know, it's like, you know, the same thing with the Pope.
	In other words, this it's a double game.
	It's a game, you know, it's spy against spy and it's, it's, it's playing a double game, but you cannot it's kind of like, you can't have it both ways.
	You can't win the hearts and the minds of the mainstream sleepers.
	When you're conducting a double game in which they can't even tell what's what, okay?
	And they basically will believe that the surface, you know, explanation of anything and everything.
	So, you know, there's a lot to this.
	I understand.
	I'm not denying the good they're doing.
	I'm simply saying that they're not bringing the so-called awakening is not happening the way they think it's happening, okay?
	And that it may not even in the end of the whole, you know, once they really do come out with everything, it will be a very slow learning process, even when you shock Shit out of the people that are sleeping.
	And a lot of them could turn against you.
	And that's when you could have a civil war.
	Do you understand what I'm saying?
	In other words, the very thing they're trying to avoid the whole time will come to hit them when they come forward.
	And, you know, whatever's going to happen, the last thing you can do is try to avoid something and not have it happen.
	When you try to avoid something so hard, it's almost guaranteed it's going to come.
	It's almost guaranteed.
	Just the principles of the universe.
	Okay, so let's change the subject.
	Sure, absolutely.
	Well, enough said on that.
	I think this, in some ways, is somewhat related.
	It kind of dovetails with some of the things that you had mentioned.
	You mentioned Klaus Schwab, the World Economic Forum.
	Uh, and in essence, really, I think that most people are anticipating that this year is going to be extremely chaotic and that we're going to witness all different types of events, both good and bad.
	I mean, it really depends on your perspective overall.
	You just gave us yours.
	Certainly, my audience knows mine, but I think false flags are, uh, Almost a certainty into the future.
	I don't know when, I don't know exactly how, but I'm curious, you know, to kind of get your take on this because this has been an ongoing part of this conversation.
	You know, folks out there are kind of bracing themselves and anticipating for one of the things that the World Economic Forum has talked about in their annual sort of predictive programming exercise that they called, I believe it was the Cyber Polygon.
	Something along those lines, but one of the things they talked about was that 2023 was going to be the year of the poly crisis.
	And, you know, this is a year that, of course, Nostradamus predicted it was cabal.
	Of course, 2023 was going to be this big chaotic year.
	Um.
	But obviously, I think that most people are.
	Anticipating that there's going to be this sort of tsunami of upheaval.
	I mean, a lot of it's going to be stemming from the war that's just escalating with Russia.
	I mean, it looks to me as if Russia is just preparing, and I get your point about, you know, their tactics and weaponry is certainly a case to be made there, but it looks as if they're getting ready to launch a full-scale land invasion, that other NATO countries are going to get involved and drawn into the war.
	It just, it appears that, you know, we're headed full steam in that direction.
	So that's just one angle.
	And then, like you said, there's this possibility of a second pandemic, which is one of the things I think S.G.
	really was one of the first ones who came out with that.
	He's since sort of changed his perspective slightly on it, although he says that it's still a possibility.
	But initially, he had said Ebola.
	And of course, everyone who heard that just kind of freaked out, including myself.
	I was like, you've got to be kidding me.
	Ebola?
	They can't possibly put us through that.
	But, you know, there's a lot of stuff going on.
	So, you know, you've got Klaus Schwab, who initially said he wasn't going to attend the World Economic Forum, but then he actually did show up.
	And I guess George Soros had backed out.
	There was some confusion about that.
	But, you know, it seems to me like they might be telegraphing some sort of a cyber attack.
	Some sort of a shock event, which to me would seem very well aligned with some of the end game objectives that we have talked about all along, you know, an EBS, a comms blackout, you know, a reason, a rationale for the military to get directly involved.
	So I thought maybe, you know, give your thoughts on that.
	Anything that along those lines, do you see a nuclear possibility?
	That's obviously something Juan has talked about, a Cuban missile crisis type of event.
	Do you see it going down that way, or do you see that as kind of a distraction, fog of war?
	What are your thoughts?
	Well, I think everything is on the table.
	I did have a, I don't know if I mentioned it on this show or another show, I had sort of a precog dream about a nuke that was being transported in the back of a car.
	I told one about my dream, so, you know, it's gone to the proper authorities, so to speak, if they want to try to prevent such a thing, if indeed my dream vision was correct.
	I've never in my life dreamed about a nuke, so that was the first.
	Now, so anything is on the table as far as I'm concerned.
	You know, war is war, and we're in a war.
	Even though it's a secret war, predominantly, and you can't tell who your friend is and who your foe is, by and large, unless you have been following the White Hats narrative as closely as people like us have.
	Okay, so I do want to say that.
	There are again, you know, opportunities.
	This is the thing that I see and, you know, other people out there might have a different point of view, but I see that there is an always an opportunity to actually change the world.
	Instantaneously and it's not being used.
	Okay.
	Again.
	So I think that we have so many solutions at our disposal that could turn all of these things around, you know, greening of the deserts, for example, you know, feeding the whole populations of the world instead of sending, you know, countless dollars to Ukraine.
	That's been money laundering for God knows how long.
	You know, send it to all the people that are starving.
	There are so many solutions that could be put in place now.
	We don't have to destroy the world or the foundation of the world in order to put these things in place now.
	So again, it has to do with where your head is at and whether or not you want to stick with a certain sort of approach that precludes doing anything good at this time, you know.
	Um so so this is a problem and and it's a problem for the people even more than it is necessarily for the white hats who are behind the scenes able to carry out certain operations I'm sure in the cover of darkness okay as they like whether it's really in darkness whether they're really so clandestine whether the dark side really doesn't know what they're doing you know we could talk about that all day and all night um but
	The fact of the matter is that humans could be changing their reality, and some people are, okay?
	So I'm not discounting that.
	Some people are going ahead with new, innovative approaches to reality that could be put in place now.
	You don't have to wait to see destruction everywhere around you.
	To do these things.
	And so I'm a bit concerned because when you're working in this sort of shadow operation that's going on.
	Carrie, you froze up for about 15 seconds.
	Could you maybe go back just a little bit?
	We lost about 15 seconds.
	Okay.
	I'm just talking.
	I'm talking about doing something good and that people could do something good any moment of any day to change the world.
	Around them.
	Okay?
	And you heard that, right?
	Hello?
	Okay, so I'm now saying though that this is a place where when we have a lot of smoke and mirrors and we have misdirects and people don't even know, you know, who's who and whether someone is a good guy or a bad guy and they can't, you know, figure out, you know, whether to save Ukraine or let it die or, you know, let somebody over there.
	In other words, it's hard to take action When everything is smoke and mirrors around you, and so a lot of people are holding off.
	Taking action because they're waiting for the reveal the big reveal.
	Right?
	And a lot of people are being also kind of, um.
	Enticed by promises of money.
	Okay, that's a big problem.
	I see.
	Okay.
	And if you're on telegram, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
	All right.
	So huge promises, even coming from the Trump camp, supposedly.
	But then again, you can't tell where things are really coming from, and you can't tell whether they're really true.
	And this FTX debacle is all part of that, right?
	So, people who want to take action to do good things are having to do so in a land of smoke and mirrors, where nothing is as it seems.
	And that, I think, is impeding The good works that could be happening right now all around us.
	And so it's, it's in a state of inaction, at least in the population.
	Okay, because if you don't know how things are going to roll out, you are hesitant to make a strong decision in many cases.
	So, our future is completely up in the air right now.
	As I said, Davis is trying to decide.
	For us that they can take over our entire world and our health and imprison us in their Borg.
	I don't know, healthcare system, whatever the hell that is.
	And so on.
	In other words, when you're faced with that, and it's being allowed to continue, and you have to wonder, where are the white hats now?
	While this is going on?
	While these decisions are all being made?
	I'm sure that they're probably saying, oh, we can turn it all around in a year or two.
	I mean, really, seriously.
	But meanwhile, you know, we're going to be cannon fodder?
	Is that the premise that they're operating under?
	You do see what I'm saying.
	If they were so large, then how do you have these bad guys in a very public situation telling us what they're going to serve for dinner tomorrow, which is us, you know?
	In other words, You think that's part of a movie or do you think that's actually real?
	That that's actually going on?
	Because a lot of people out there would suggest that Klaus Schwab is gone and that this is all part of, as you, you know, to use your phrase, it's dog and pony show.
	Yeah, but if you're shaking your head now.
	But the dog and, you know, the dog and, look, some of it's true and some of it's false.
	It doesn't matter if Klaus Schwab is still the Klaus Schwab.
	He's still out there making statements that are basically going to tie up The rest of the world from now until perpetuities and putting a lot of fear in a lot of people.
	All right.
	So, how is that serve anybody?
	Do you, you know, it's back in the days of World War 2 people knew.
	What was good and what was bad, you know, they knew the leaders that were fighting for them and they knew.
	The bad guys, okay?
	For the most part.
	I'm sure there was some subterfusion and people playing roles back then as well, but you do understand.
	Of course, compared to what we're dealing with now.
	It's very difficult.
	It was completely transparent, yeah.
	It's very difficult to win hearts and minds when you lie continually and both sides lie.
	So this is a problem.
	All right.
	I think it's self-explanatory.
	I don't think I need to go into more detail here.
	I do want to talk a little bit about what is in essence been sort of brought out recently, relatively recently, which is the history of Babylon.
	And the money situation, and the fact that this thing was set up so many years ago with the Silk Road, and with the Anunnaki, and with them choosing, you know, to make certain individuals their kings and queens, and all of that.
	In other words, this is a system.
	It's like a machine.
	And the machine, it rolls on.
	You know what I'm saying?
	And the White Hats are stuck with this really strange dynamic in which, at the one hand, they're trying to keep the facade of the machine going.
	So they're actually doing a lot of very negative things to make it look like those, you know, they'll kill Pelosi and then they'll roll out another Pelosi.
	How does that help anyone?
	You know, it's just... When that happens, let's just take that one little quick example, just as a quick sidebar.
	So when they take somebody off the chessboard, let's just say Pelosi, right?
	Or Hillary Clinton.
	The clones or the doubles or whatever they are that we see on TV, are they being controlled, in your view, by the white hats?
	Or are they being controlled by the dark side?
	Because I think in a lot of ways that would inform how we interpret some of the things that we see, you know what I mean?
	Uh, it depends what their actions are.
	I mean, you know, people by their actions, right?
	And what they say.
	So if they're playing a role, they have to play the role, you know, it's, it's like, they're, they're as diabolical as their predecessor.
	Um, whether or not they can actually do anything, you know, with what they say, whether or not money is actually changing hands in, you know, that goes over to, uh, you know, At some point, it's kind of like you need to commit.
	You need to commit to a right path.
	Oh, I agree.
	I agree.
	I think people out there are exhausted from exactly that, from just having their eggs scrambled on a daily basis, not knowing which end is up, you know, in terms of just wanting to know what's going on, just wanting to understand.
	I mean, I think people have accepted evil.
	They just don't really understand Which direction we're headed, because on the one hand, you're right, I think people acknowledge that it's seemingly, if everything that we've been told is true about the White Hats and their capabilities and their being in control, that seemingly they could, and this is an overstatement of course, but they could flip a switch in essence and they could turn this whole thing around.
	And a lot of the ways you described tonight, right?
	And then, you know, then there are people out there saying, yes, that's true, but we're not quite ready yet.
	Like Trump is saying, we're not there yet.
	You know, SG, I'm sure we'll probably have some kind of response similar to that.
	Who is the judge of that, you see?
	And this is where, you know, in my life, humans and humanity have been misjudged Actually throughout history, and they've been under, um, underestimated, I guess, for their entire time they've been alive.
	And there are countless indications of this, okay?
	So, if you go to my website and you read that article that I said, um, predicted not so sudden deaths, you'll see in the article what the Illuminati guy says about People, you know, which he calls them imbeciles and all kind of crazy names.
	The bottom line is how stupid he thinks they are.
	So what we're looking at is being underestimated on the 1 hand by the dark side and on the other hand by the white hats.
	You want to really look at it on many levels.
	And I do want to bring up something that I was watching, which is Jim Willey.
	Your interview with Jim Willey.
	Oh, yeah.
	Excellent, by the way, because he is someone who actually has some real data, who actually says real things about what's happening.
	OK, so he's he's getting Intel that obviously they feed Intel to him.
	Uh, in a certain way, and he says, for example, that the Rothschild central banks are completely depleted.
	They're not solvent anymore.
	He says, you know, that.
	Gates is buying all this land and that he's not going to turn it into growing food.
	In other words, he says very tangible things.
	These are things that people can kind of, um, use to move forward to understand their world.
	All right.
	And to hold people accountable who are doing things against them.
	And so.
	I think it's, you know, you cannot spend your time.
	Avoiding civil war and still try to do good in the world.
	In essence, you're going to, and what is civil war anyway?
	Let's let, you know, let's talk about that briefly, okay?
	So do you really think that I'm going to get a gun in my house and aim it at my neighbor because I don't agree with them?
	Is that what's going to happen?
	Is that what they know?
	It's civil war between the military that is aligned with the Biden CCP communist takeover of America and the White Hat military.
	That's what we're talking about.
	It's military against military.
	And believe it or not, this challenge is not going to go away.
	It's not going to go away because Trump comes forward and they say he's president now and Biden is taken down.
	It's not going to go away.
	I hope they've got something up their sleeves to, you know, as a plan to kind of quell the masses when they realize that, you know, they were duped by the entire system, including, you know, their local doctor that they've trusted all their lives into injecting a bioweapon that has, you know, is killing them as they're getting this news and has likely killed people that they know.
	I think under those circumstances, you know, some people have pointed out that You know, under those circumstances, we might even be more likely to run into a civil war type of situation because people are going to be so upset.
	I mean, when you have lost loved ones and you, you know, put all your trust into the system.
	So certainly I hope that when this does come out, that the White Hats very, very quickly have something to, I guess, for lack of a better phrase, to quell the masses.
	Because that's a, that's a tinderbox right there.
	You know, I mean, Cliff Hyatt has talked about that.
	People are going to go mad when they find out the truth.
	But you're just repeating what I said 15 minutes ago.
	So we're in violent agreement here.
	I'm just amplifying and in essence agreeing with what you're saying.
	You see what I'm saying is it's not hard to come to this conclusion.
	So, all right, so this is is where we're at and, um, I don't know it.
	There are some things that that have been sort of brought out and, you know, it's very easy in this kind of world that we live in for news to come forward 1 minute and then go be swept away very quickly.
	So, even good news, right?
	Even movements that are supposed to be in a positive direction.
	Because, for one thing, the mainstream does not dwell on anything.
	Any, like, let's say you just said, you know, there's, I don't know, was FCC or who was it, came forward and finally said, you know, something anti-JAB, right?
	But at the same time, the mainstream narrative continues again like a train going in the exact same direction.
	It hasn't changed direction, okay?
	It hasn't.
	There are these things that are starting to fall off the train, you know, and your people are starting to notice, all right?
	But It's it's it's almost like too little too late.
	And you know, there are more and more people like I just put together a whole thing on how to basically turn back the clock and recover from the jabs.
	And I know that the White Hats will have access.
	They're going to bring out supposedly med beds and you know, in this wonderful world that they're going to create right after they take everything down.
	It's, you know, and the people are supposed to be are going to be so deliriously happy that they're not going to question what was really going on, you know, 2 years ago.
	Okay.
	When their brother sister, whatever, who wasn't cloned and has died, you know.
	Well, I guess the thinking behind that, at least my understanding, just to play devil's advocate, is that, you know, they're going to, we're going to have these military tribunals that I'm sure, you know, you've heard.
	Well, yeah.
	And that, that brings up another point because this is something I'll be asking S.G.
	Anand tomorrow about.
	But one of the things he's saying is that, yeah, they're going to do some trials surrounding COVID, but it's not until the summer or the fall.
	What are they waiting for?
	Really?
	Seriously?
	Are they waiting for another pan pandemic to come along in the meantime, and then they're going to do something.
	I mean, in other words, this is just.
	Don't get me started.
	They are still cleaning out dumbs.
	Let me just ask you this because this is related, you know, and then we can... This is ongoing happening and will continue to happen.
	You have to understand, and I was going to talk about this anyway, people need to understand they're not being educated about this, okay?
	They have to go back in history and look at the number of cultures who have been sacrificing children and humans throughout history.
	All the way up to this day, the present day, and right now, as we speak, young women of like, uh, not even young women, but young girls are being married to old men all over the Middle East, okay?
	It's common practice.
	What amounts to pedophilia is a common practice there, all right?
	And The list goes on.
	Okay.
	I went to a place, an ancient site called Gobekli Tepe.
	One of the things they're hiding there that was that I found out about is that the number of children's skulls.
	Little children's skulls that are buried on those ancient sites.
	Why?
	Because they were sacrificing children all those years ago and they're still doing it.
	So you're going to turn that around.
	It's not going to happen overnight and it's not even going to happen in a matter of two or three years.
	All right?
	This is an ongoing operation.
	It will always be happening behind the scenes.
	Even when the White Hats come out, John F. Kennedy Jr.
	comes out, and so on and so forth, and they tell about what they've been doing, it is still going to have to go on because it is embedded in all these cultures, including South America,
	including the middle east including africa and african societies that maim little uh girl young women so they can't have a sexual experience or whatever i mean these countries are incredibly involved in all of these things that these christian you know right wing christians you know with good hearts want to stop all right
	They're not going to take they're not going to give away their culture easily.
	You know, it's even modern thinking people and then you've got the modern side coming in with the reptilian DNA who have been doing the same thing behind the scenes.
	Using those countries, because there are, of course, places where they can get away with it.
	I'm just saying that, Sally, you're right.
	I mean, there are places where this is going on, on the surface and, you know, and out in the open.
	I mean, you're absolutely right about that.
	I hope that, I mean, because I've been operating on the, largely on the premise that once this truth comes out, that, you know, it becomes imprinted on the world's consciousness, the emblazoned forever, you know, what's happening beneath the surface, that it would be a uniting force for humanity.
	You know, and I agree with you there, there obviously is some very barbaric practices that are ongoing as we speak right now that are well documented.
	So, you know, I, I certainly think there's a point to be made there, but.
	All right, so what I'm trying to say is you cannot base the changes in the United States, okay, with the mentality that hopefully, because those people did not grow up with this mentality of killing children in order to survive and sacrificing them to their gods, They're ET gods, you know, so maybe you have a chance of eradicating it from the United States, okay?
	Not guaranteed, but maybe.
	The cultures you're letting in through the border, these cultures also have these practices, okay?
	And that has, you have to also look at, you know, The cultures that are related to the Khazarian Mafia, which are actually have been using the Jews as a cover for their actions, but that some Jewish sects have also been involved in these practices.
	Okay, so this is a very deep story.
	And by the way, while we're still and I don't know how much time we have, but just to mention this.
	The Q White Hats, Q has said they're going to leave the Middle East for last.
	Do you recall that?
	Yeah, Israel specifically, right?
	Yes.
	So, this is very important because it has a lot to do with the ET, the Anunnaki group in specifics, and possibly other groups as well that I'm not mentioning.
	Like the beings from Maldebaran, for example, that they gave Africa to, or most of Africa, that Gordon Duff reported on, and I have a secret witness who verified that, actually two, and so on.
	So, this is a very interesting dynamic, because the closer the White Hats get to achieving their aims, the closer they're going to get to the reveal that has to do with who's behind
	These practices and these guys who have been trying to run our earth for all this time, the human ones are the ETs and their impact and their continued efforts to try to take us down and to take us over and so on and so forth.
	And for example, like Cyrus Parsa talked about, how the COVID bioweapon was actually created by an alien AI that was basically working with the grays.
	So this is, in other words, it's very interesting how the one thing they wanna, the things they wanna avoid are actually coming closer and closer, the more they come into some area that looks like success.
	And that includes, by the way, Secret Space Program.
	So, I don't know if people out there have wrapped their minds around this idea, but because I spent 18 years dealing with witnesses from the Secret Space Program, I know that that organization, whatever you want to call it, and you know there are other countries that have their own Secret Space Programs like China and India and so on and so forth, but what I'm talking about specifically, because the first line of
	sort of action has been the United States to turn that around, as they say, as Juan says, and then they're going to go work with their brother's brother, I guess is how he puts it.
	The bottom line is, how do you think that the secret space program, who has actually been running surface earth, how do you think they're dealing with those guys and the technology that they have?
	They're practically like an alien race that live underground in all those cities that are supposedly invading.
	There is a tremendous a story that is not being even touched on or described or even understood or talked about.
	Okay, that has to do with how the White Hats are going to deal with the secret space program that has been running our country.
	Going off planet, conquering other planets, making deals with ET races, some of which may not be conducive to the kind of future the White Hats have in mind for America, etc.
	Do you understand?
	We think the government as we see it is a surface government, but what's really going on is that our surface has been abandoned to some degree, but also run By the secret space program, it's our financial.
	Whatever you call that basis, it's it's our foundation that the, the sale of weapons, the building of weapons, the innovation in every area of life.
	That we don't have access to has been ongoing in those cities under the ground.
	So it's practically a different culture.
	Do you understand?
	And yes, many, many of our people have been going, actually living double lives.
	Living, having a surface life and a surface family and then going either off planet or underground and conducting a completely different life.
	It's I can only graze the surface here to begin to talk about that, but it's an area that is very important.
	And again, these are actually, yes, there are other cultures involved with our government, but mainly this is American to American.
	And they have also chosen a certain way of approaching, you know, the universe and the multiverse.
	Dealing with colonies on Mars and the moon and, and, and, you know, um, not farming, but, but, um, you know, mining, uh, various, uh, you know, precious minerals and all of this and taking them back and building more spacecraft and et cetera.
	It's a huge.
	Sort of elephant in the room that no one's talking about and it's major.
	I'm curious because I've heard it said I can't remember exactly the source of the information, but I think I've heard a number of people sort of imply that the Space Force was Trump's way and the White House way of beginning to start to roll out and make public.
	The Secret Space Program.
	Do you have any thoughts on that?
	Have you heard that?
	Yes, yes, but in a certain sense, you know, one of the things they've done, which has also been a misdirect, and Juan has been doing this for a long time, he keeps emphasizing that Space Force is In the digital realm, it's not dealing with the secret space program.
	Always, always drawing your attention away from the secret space program.
	Because the minute you deal with the secret space program that goes into outer space, and I mean, SG Anon is perfect because he thinks we're on a flat earth, you know.
	And that there is no outer space type of thing, whatever he thinks.
	You know, this is insane, okay?
	People like Mark Richards, who have gone into outer space, who understand what a warp drive is, and jumping, you know, dimensions, etc, etc, and time travel.
	All of these things are not being discussed You know, you can't even imagine.
	And one of the things about the Secret Space Program and how it's been run is the fact that they have been doing things that are not necessarily things that your average, you know, American would agree with, which is doing things like going over to parallel Earth, getting people who have supposedly died and bringing them over here to work in the Secret Space Program.
	Okay.
	They're doing all kinds of things like that.
	They're making trades.
	Like I said, Gordon Duff, he's the editor of Veterans Today, which is a mainstream publication.
	He's also someone who occasionally leaks out very interesting information.
	And one of the things he talked about, and I've talked about this many times, so I don't want to go over it again, but it is the sale of most of Africa To these beings from Aldebaran, who were the ones who gave the technology to the Germans.
	Do you understand that this picture that people are having with their little Nisara, Jasara and all this stuff.
	It's they're not getting it.
	They're not getting the depth of the picture.
	And the part of the reason for that is because.
	I'm just going to lay it on the line.
	I mean, my 18 years of videos would educate you on everything I'm talking about, okay?
	And I realize that thousands of videos are very difficult to watch, all right?
	But even if you do a smattering, you're going to start to see what I'm talking about.
	This is not a fantasy.
	This is how our world has been conducting itself.
	We have had a split between surface earth
	and the secret space program that has been advancing 10 000 or maybe even more in advance of what's going on on the surface so you cannot conduct a war whether it be in ukraine and taking down bio do you really think they're destroying those bioweapons they find in ukraine of course not they're simply taking them deeper and probably giving them to the secret space program who can deal with them in other words
	There is so much going on on our planet that is unknown, not just to the general populace, but even to people like, you know, others that we consider to be our colleagues and people that are in this fight with us, you know, that support the White Hats and want to see good things happen on surface earth.
	There's so much more.
	Well, I agree.
	I mean, I completely agree with you.
	Actually, I was curious to see if you were going to even bring that up.
	The fact that SG is, shall we say, a flat earther, I guess is the way they term people like that.
	I'm kind of, you know, I haven't really looked into it much, but I was curious to see if you would bring that up, because I certainly know that you are not, and whether or not that'd be a topic of conversation.
	It is quite the interesting rabbit hole to go down, I think, honestly.
	I mean, it's quite interesting to me.
	It's not really as important whether you want to believe and visualize us living on a flat earth or the kind of earth Which is, you know, a globe in essence.
	It doesn't really matter that much, okay?
	I tend to agree.
	Other than it's wrong, okay?
	And it has to do with physics and so on.
	But aside from that, what matters is what I'm talking about, about these.
	Because he acknowledges there's other races we're dealing.
	You know, he's saying there's this like flat plane and those other races are way over there on the flat plane.
	They're just not on another planet.
	So what?
	You know, we're still dealing with it.
	Bottom line is they're there.
	Bottom line that we're there.
	It's probably a better way to say it.
	there there is much here as as we are actually going into into these other places and there's a whole secret space program that is geared towards this and toward alternative you know technology etc which is going to take down you know the oil barons and the old technology and by the way
	Do you know the backing, the primary, you know, monetary backing of the Republican Party is all old technology?
	That's something to keep in mind, okay?
	So if you wonder why they might be going slow in certain areas, they're still dealing with their constituency that are so old and so set in their ways that they may never change.
	Okay, so forget the the unknowing masses, their own supporters that give them money, you know, and that made Trump's presidency possible when you have a two party system with this fantasy with, you know, the Democrats and the Republicans.
	You know?
	And how do I know this?
	I've even watched Juan play to these audiences.
	I've watched him speak to these audiences.
	And he's like a totally different guy than the guy you think you know.
	You know?
	Because he has to talk their own talk.
	And suddenly you're back, you know, 60 years ago dealing with, you know, fossil fuels and all this.
	The mentality and how they make their money, you know, and tomorrow if they were told that their technology is going to be completely obsolete, well maybe, you know, Tesla You know, Elon Musk is actually straddling worlds, and he is dealing with technology that is still not the real technology.
	You understand?
	He's like a front guy that is a kind of a bridge.
	That's all electric cars and these stupid rockets to, you know, Mars are.
	These are toys and stupid technology.
	The Secret Space Program would laugh at Elon Musk.
	It's so old-fashioned and so useless.
	And so, you know, and Elon knows that.
	He, you know, that's what he was, you know, he's their front boy.
	What can I say?
	You think the White Hats are controlling him?
	Yes, of course they are.
	And, you know, there was this thing, I think you even talked about it with Jim Willey, that where he's demonstrated the mask.
	The real Elon is half cyborg.
	Whether the guy that's, you know, wearing a mask is a cyborg as well, I don't know.
	But I definitely can tell you that the original Elon became a cyborg.
	That's what he wants to build.
	You know, why wouldn't he become a cyborg?
	That's what he believes in.
	You're still pushing that Neuralink technology, and I have to wonder about that.
	Is that going to be some sort of a reveal?
	Neuralink is what Klaus Schwab wants for the world.
	Don't you see?
	I mean, you know, so, you know, you can put, I don't know, what do they say?
	You can put a mask on somebody, but you're not going to change what they're about.
	All right.
	They're still about that stuff.
	Whether they hide it and they go along with your agenda for a time, that's another matter.
	You know, a lot of these people that they try to bring to their side actually turn against them and go back to the dark.
	That's a syndrome.
	All right.
	You know, I think this has gone on long enough.
	I think I've brought up a lot of controversy.
	Oh, absolutely.
	I was getting ready to wind it down.
	We've been on for quite some time.
	You've been excellent, as usual, Carrie.
	So, we can do exactly that.
	I mean, you've laid out a pretty Well, tonight, I don't think that there anything else that we really need to get to tonight.
	So is there anything that you want to leave the audience with?
	I know that you're.
	Typically, I remind folks your website.
	I know you have you mentioned your upcoming interview.
	On Friday is who is that with again?
	1 more time the MP that was basically fired from.
	Parliament, which apparently never happens because he mentioned the COVID, you know, jab and the dangers.
	So so his name is Andrew Bridgen.
	Andrew Bridgen.
	And I have tried to get the White Hats to support him and to do, in essence, what they have done for the Brunson case.
	They could be doing for Bridgen.
	But so far, as they say, crickets.
	So, you know, that's just one thing.
	And then SG Anon, I'm interviewing tomorrow.
	So that should be fascinating.
	And all I would say to people is, you know, don't limit your understanding of what's happening because nobody is telling you.
	You know, I'm not going to name names.
	I could, but I'm not.
	The spokespeople for the White Hats are very few and far between.
	And even those individuals are told do not talk about this.
	Do not talk about that.
	It's up to you to widen your horizons.
	All I can tell you is that.
	The interviews I've been doing for the past 18 years will do just that.
	And you're gonna have to go back in time and rediscover all the things that are not being talked about now, because there's such a heavy duty focus on some of these things that are actually kind of not moving very fast.
	They're just definitely.
	Definitely.
	I think that's a really good point.
	We can't forget.
	How we got here and everything that we learned along the way.
	And you're right, because we're living through this time right now where information is, I mean, we're consuming information now at historic levels.
	And every single day, it just gets more and more and more and more.
	And just when you think you can't digest anymore, they just keep throwing more at you.
	And as we know, a lot of it is complete disinformation as well.
	So amidst all of that, like I was saying before, it's like people feel like Their brain is just scrambled, but we can't forget them.
	I think that in part is a tactic, and we can talk about that on another occasion, to scramble our eggs to such an extent that we do forget a lot of the things that are kind of pillars of our understanding, or at least have been up until this point, and they're trying to do everything they can to get people To just become completely disillusioned and cynical and confused to such an extent that they just want to run and scatter at a time when I think that we need just the opposite.
	But anyway, we'll cut it short here.
	Well, not short.
	We'll cut it here.
	It's been a great interview.
	I want to thank you once again for your amazing, amazing expertise and insights and your commentary.
	It's just incredible analysis, folks.
	This is the best that you're going to find anywhere.
	So, Carrie, thank you again.
	I really do appreciate it.
	Hopefully, we can do it again soon.
	I know we also talked about doing another roundtable with Gene.
	I know he was on board with that.
	So, we're going to have some really interesting things to talk about in the near future.
	So, thank you.
	And God bless everybody.
	Thank you for listening.
	I'll be back soon.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for watching.

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