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Jan. 26, 2021 - Project Camelot
01:17:59
ROB FARLOW: Iraq War Veteran, Former Correctional Officer, recovering Paraplegic
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Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
So we have a very interesting guest today, Rob Barlow, and I'm very pleased to have him on the show.
And this should be an unusual show because it's kind of out of the ordinary type of show than I don't normally do.
It's going to be a very inspiring story and I was just hassling him and And asking him if he actually knew any secrets.
He says he does.
He should because of all the different places he's been and all the interesting people he met, for example, in prison, for example.
But and so, Rob, welcome.
And I'm very happy to have you here.
I'm very honored to be on your show, Carrie.
Thank you for having me.
OK. OK, cool.
So what I want you to do is you've been in war zones, you've been a soldier, you've trained dogs for the military, which is a very cool thing.
I have a lovely Swiss Shepherd and she'd probably be one of the kind of dogs you would have trained.
So that's great.
So that means you have a rapport with animals, I assume.
And then at the same time, you were a correctional officer in a prison.
We're going to talk about that.
And then somehow, someway...
You ended up as a, I don't know if you call it a paraplegic, whatever you want to call it, but now you're training yourself to walk again, so you're breaking the mold.
So that's awesome, and we're going to talk about that as well.
I'm a recovering paraplegic, that's what I call it.
Fair enough.
And then you're a criminal justice advocate, and you're a cannabis advocate, and all that, and that's cool too.
Yes, ma'am.
Let's start more or less at the beginning, you know, try to encapsulate your experience, how you got, you know, you got into the military as there are lots of, well, there are a few other interviews with you out there.
So, you know, I want to kind of assume that people can go in more depth with some of the people you've already, some wonderful guys that have, you know, interviewed you very well.
And I did in bed one of your Recent interviews on the page.
You have a page on my website for people to scroll down to the bottom.
You'll see it says related links.
And I thought it was a real good interview with you so people can also see that.
So take it away.
Talk about how you started out as a kid and got into the military, why you went into the military, etc.
Well, how I got to become the Stone Sailor today, Rob Farlow, aka the Stone Sailor.
Sometimes I sit back in amazement.
I don't even know how I freaking got here.
But I was born in South Philadelphia.
I was the second child.
I had an older sister.
My father went to prison for murder when I was a young man.
My father was involved in the underworld.
He was a gangster.
He was a drug dealer.
All my family were all involved in some kind of crime, organized crime or just being drug dealers, thieves.
So my father went to prison for murder.
The person that he killed ended up retaliating.
Their family member retaliated, burned my house down, And my sister perished in the fire, my older sister Tara.
Oh my God.
Okay.
So that's how I started out.
That was like the first 10 years of my life was that.
From there, I got a stepfather who was abusive, was also a drug trafficker who used to hide drugs in the house, money in the house.
I would go see my father and he would tell me all these things about how the underworld worked and how he would bribe politicians and had politicians in his back pocket back when it was Buddy Sinfrani, who was a big state senator in Philadelphia, Leland Beloff, who was a state representative.
My father was basically their Ray Donovan type of guy.
He was their sin eater.
And he told me a lot of things that would go on and told me how corrupt the government was and don't believe that, you know, the higher up you get, the more disgusting people are.
I never believed him.
And I said to him, nope, you know, that's not how it's going to work.
I'm going to do my life.
I'm going to live my life the right way.
I want to join the military.
I want to get the hell out of my environment.
I'm tired of being around people that all they do is go to jail and they've never...
I want something better.
I deserve better.
I felt I did.
So...
The military was something that I didn't have very good grades.
And the military was a good option for a kid like me in the early 90s.
I mean, we had just won the Gulf War.
That was over.
So it was a peacetime military.
So I wanted to travel.
I always had a wanderlust in me from when I was a little boy.
I would spin the globe and point at a country.
Mongolia, oh, I want to go there.
I wonder how the people lived there.
What's in their refrigerator?
I want to open their refrigerator.
What's in their cupboards?
How did the women look?
I had that desire, and I wanted to travel.
Where else can I do that but in the Navy?
Join the Navy, see the world.
Obviously, I went to all the other branches and they all gave me the same college thing, GI Bill, but the Navy recruiter was smart.
He pulled out Polaroids back then, a stack, a book full about this big, and there were just rows of him and different women from all over the world.
All these women that he met in France and Hong Kong and all these places.
And I'm like, sign me up.
Where do I sign?
The whole college thing did not appeal to me.
So, bam, I was off.
And that's how I went in the military.
I got there.
I ended up being trained to become a military policeman.
While I was going through the police academy, all the things about where to hide drugs and how people can hide contraband on their bodies and in their rectum and under their socks and shit, my father and stepfather taught me all that.
So I was the honor graduate of the class when I went in there.
I was like, oh, he's got a gun.
Look, he keeps touching his backpack.
Like, he's got something.
There's something in the drawer.
Check it out.
And they were like, oh, my God, this guy's great, you know?
So I was like, okay.
So I was first in my class, honor graduate.
And it was the first time I'd ever done anything like that.
I'd never been first in my class in anything, you know?
And next thing I know, the commanding officer, she told me, hey, you graduated number one.
What do you want to do?
Do you want to be an investigator?
Do you want to be a bodyguard for an admiral?
Or do you want to train dogs?
Do you want to be a dog handler?
I'm like, wow, that sounds...
Wow, interesting.
She says, how about you go watch a demonstration over at the schoolhouse?
I'll have somebody bring you over.
And she did.
And I went and I watched a guy come out with a great uniform with a beautiful German Shepherd marching with the dog.
The dog's staying at the heels, sitting, stay down, everything.
And then, bam, a guy comes out with the bite suit.
He sends the dog.
The dog bites the guy, takes the guy down.
And I looked at and I said, that's me.
That's my life.
And then from there, that's how my journey began into canine.
And from there, I traveled all over the world.
I worked explosive detection dogs, drug detector dogs.
And I learned in, well, when I went to military canine school in Lackland Air Force Base, they taught me a different language there.
I learned a language of how to speak to dogs.
You understand?
It's a different...
When people ask me if I'm bilingual, I say yes, because I can speak to dogs because I know how to train them.
And that's what I learned in that school.
And most people fail that school because of the psychology portion.
There's actually a PhD animal behavioral doctor that comes in and actually teach you how a dog thinks.
How we think as humans, we try to project that on animals.
Dogs don't think that way.
So I had to learn that language of how to speak to dogs, and I became really good at it.
And that's how my journey began in the military.
I became a military policeman, a canine handler.
I was a trainer.
I was top in my field.
Had a great career.
So why did you stop doing that, and how long did you do it for?
I did active in reserves for about 20 years, and then I got out.
I got out, and I took a federal job at the prison.
The woman I was married to at the time, she was just sick and tired of moving.
We had lived in Europe for five years.
We lived in Asia for three years.
I was in the Middle East for two years.
And I was always gone.
So we decided to lay down roots somewhere and buy a home.
And we picked Florida.
And I... Quickly got a job in the federal prison.
They hired me on.
I mean, I had a clean background.
Everything was good.
And that's how my life in the penitentiary began, basically, as a corrections officer from the Navy, retiring, transitioning into the civilian workforce.
Okay, now, I don't have necessarily a good opinion of correctional officers, as you're calling them.
You know, it just seems like, you know, I wonder about that job, you know, because we hear that they, there's a lot of those guys are bullies, basically, and they, you know, and they, you know, they bully the prisoners and whatnot, and they got to have some kind of psychology to want to do that kind of job.
So maybe training dogs put you in a different Headspace with regard to giving orders and so on and so forth.
So can you explain how you dealt with that?
Well, one, you're right about Headspace.
And let me tell you a little bit about that.
Remember, I grew up going to visit my dad in a penitentiary.
I grew up with a stepdad in the federal prison system.
I have cousins that were in federal prison.
I used to go visit them.
So that mindset helped me at my job.
Because I always knew that this is someone's brother, sister, father, and you've got to treat them with respect.
And I knew from my law enforcement career, the way I was trained, I became an instructor at verbal judo and defensive tactics because I was considered a great communicator.
And they recognized that, my leadership, and they sent me to those schools to teach that to recruits, and I did it, police recruits.
So I spoke that language, but also the headspace of training a dog, which you have negative punishment, positive reinforcement.
And I'm not talking about physical negative punishment.
I'm talking about rewarding bad behavior.
You don't do that.
You don't do it from an inmate.
You don't do it from a child.
You don't do it to an animal.
You understand?
You want to extinct that.
You know, and reward positive behavior.
Now, I have that mindset going into the job.
Yes, there are people that are bullies, okay?
But here's the thing.
When I went into that job, the first day I got hired, they have an indoctrination class.
You go to the academy, and then they bring you to the institution, and they have this class.
All new employees have to attend it.
And I just would stand up and just told everybody on day one, if you do something wrong in front of me, I will report you.
It's plain and simple.
They wanted everyone to stand up.
Hi, I'm Rob Farlow.
I live here.
I love long walks on the beach.
No, I just stood up and said, Hi, I'm Rob Farlow.
If you do something illegal, wrong in front of me, I will report you.
That's it.
And from that way forward, I knew who were my friends and who were not my friends.
You understand?
Going into the job.
Well, would you agree that, you know, because I don't know how much of my work you knew, but, you know, I go to a prison, Solano Prison, to interview a guy for the last five years called Captain Mark Richards.
And I have heard some stories, and not just from him, but from other places as well.
And, for example, I understand that, you know, prison guards are very involved in the whole drug trade, right?
There are, absolutely.
There are some that are involved in drug trade, sex trade, you name it.
Right.
So how, you know, have you seen the movie Serpico?
I love that movie, yes.
Okay.
Love it.
So you must know, like, when you did that, in some people's point of view, you would put a target on your back.
The minute you stood up and said, I will report you to your fellow, you know, correctional officer candidates or whatever they were, right?
Yeah.
So, how did that work for you?
Did you come up against that?
And how did you survive?
Well, yes, I did come up against that.
See, I worked in a profession where I looked for bombs in Iraq.
You have to have...
You got to learn how...
I was taught and trained how to be comfortable in uncomfortable situations.
Okay.
So looking for bombs, knowing my next step could be my last and all that stuff.
People telling me that, yeah, there was, oh, he's a rat.
He'll tell on you.
You're damn right.
I'll tell on you.
If I see it, I'll tell on you.
And I did.
And I did, but there's a lot, but see, there's a lot of us like that.
They're just too quiet maybe to speak out and be as, you know, Up front with it as I am, but I emboldened a lot of officers that really were like, you know, Farrell, I really like the way you do your job.
I really don't.
And I would embolden them, you know, and tell them, you know, get rid of this trash.
And I worked with a lot of really good people, and I worked with some bad people.
Okay?
But they knew better when they worked with me.
They knew better.
You understand?
If I saw anything, anything, boom, I'll dime them out in a second.
Call me a rat, whatever, but I took my oath seriously.
And I wish more, the people that are running this country need to read that oath and take it seriously.
Because if they did, they wouldn't be doing the shit they're doing right now.
Okay.
Now, what about this idea that when you're in a prison that There are a lot of inmates that are there for stupid reasons, and for illegal reasons, and they shouldn't be there, and so on and so forth.
And they're put in with, I guess, the really bad guys who are guilty, and so on and so forth.
So it's an interesting thing, but it's a business.
I'm sure if you You're an advocate for criminal justice.
In essence, it's a business.
Especially in America, they make lots of money off the prisoners.
Like Sean David Morton just got out of prison.
I don't know if you know who he is, but his story is on my website.
I've interviewed him dozens of times.
Clemency?
Well, he was in a...
I guess you call that a white-collar prison, but they actually tortured him and threw him in the much worse prisons.
Oh, I've seen him do that.
Listen to me.
When I stepped foot onto prison my first day and I started reading the charges that some of these guys were in for, the common denominator for most is drugs.
Just drugs, okay?
Not that they killed anybody.
Not that they put a gun to someone's head and said, here, take this crack cocaine.
No.
Everyone that bought crack of these guys came to them and bought it.
You understand?
They were thrown in prison for 20 and 30 years for literally the equivalent of five little sugar packets of crack cocaine because they just happened to travel from Florida to Georgia and cross the internet, you know, an imaginary border.
And bam, they got, you know, mandatory minimums by Joe Biden in the 94 crime bill.
Destroyed.
Most of them were black kids.
Destroyed their lives, their families.
I mean, generations of people.
Generations of kids without fathers.
Because what they did is they differentiated between powder and crack.
Powder was more expensive.
The rich kids used powder.
It was a party drug.
If they got popped and caught, they got probation and an expunged record.
The kids with the crack cocaine that were cheap is a cheaper drug.
They got 20 and 30 years in prison because they just happened to buy crack because it was cheaper.
You understand?
So I saw that.
I saw people in prison for smuggling alligator hides, Carrie.
Alligator hides.
I mean, literally, maybe lying on an application to get a loan or something.
I saw people in prison that should not be in prison.
It's a waste of taxpayers' money.
Prison should be for violent criminals, child molesters, and politicians.
That's what prison should be for in this country.
Okay.
And what about the idea that...
Right now, I mean, cannabis, marijuana, I don't know what you want to call it, but it's legal in many states.
I don't know if it's legal in every state.
Not every state, no.
But the bottom line is there's a lot of people in jail for that.
So when it became legal, they didn't just let those people out, which is weird in a way.
No.
They should just let them all out.
I knew a guy named George Martorano.
He's got life in prison without parole for marijuana.
He did 32 years.
Before they let him out, he was one of the inmates I had.
When I heard his story, I wanted to cry.
And I would fact check it because I have access to their records.
You can't bullshit me.
You understand?
Because I had guys tell me they were in the Marines.
They did this and that bullshit.
It's not on your record.
You didn't do it.
Okay.
So I would always fact check people.
Trust but verify, right?
Just like you do.
Due diligence.
So I make sure before I tell you something, my shit's straight.
I stand on solid ground.
Private prisons, the prosecutors in this country have absolute immunity, and that's a crime.
They can knowingly put you in prison, knowingly an innocent person, and never be charged, held accountable, criminally for it.
That's a disgrace.
I know people are screaming about defunding the police.
They need to defund the prosecutors, because the cops can arrest you 500 times, but the prosecutor decides whether you should go to jail.
And all these prosecutors, they are cutthroat.
They want to throw the book at everybody.
They want everyone to go to jail for 100 years.
Because that's how they get promoted, based on convictions.
Private prisons, the court system in America, is all for profit.
It's not just the prisons.
The fact that we even have for-profit prisons in this country is a disgrace.
It's brought to our Constitution, in my opinion.
And they should all be banned.
Yeah, for sure.
Okay, so it's good.
You're aware of all that.
Of course.
In terms of, like, the sort of, I don't know what you want to call it.
You know, there's a gang thing in prison, and, you know, it goes by race.
I'm here.
It's all gangs, and it's all racial politics.
Kind of like it is in Washington.
The Democrats and the Republicans, they're street gangs.
That's all they are.
Actually, I'm going one step further now, Kerry.
I believe they're cults.
The Democratic Party and the Republican Party are cults.
They're brainwashing people against one another.
They're causing all this shit.
They brainwash people to think they want to put everyone against each other so they can just keep living off the government dole.
They're kleptocrats, is all they are.
And they belong in friggin' prison.
Okay, so now in terms of, okay, so how long were you a correctional officer?
Seven years.
All right, so you spent 20 in the military, seven doing that, and then what happened?
Well, I caught an eye infection.
It wasn't no big heroic story like Serpico or none of that.
I caught an eye infection.
We had a staph outbreak in the prison because it is a very unhygienic environment.
You can get Mercer in a prison.
We have smallpox.
We have Legionnaires disease.
Shit that you thought was eradicated, you'll get it in prison.
Well, we had a staph infection outbreak, and I just happened to get an irritation in my eye.
I went to the doctor, thought it was pink eye, gave me medicine, didn't work.
Next morning, my eyes were bleeding.
I run back.
They test it.
It's staph.
They give me medicine.
Two weeks later, it goes away.
I think I'm great.
Two months later, I wake up in the morning, and I can't move my legs, and I urinated myself.
The staph infection traveled.
It traveled from the eye and manifested in my T6. Thoracic 6 vertebrae.
From there, it got infected.
And the infection, the pus, pushed into my spinal cord and damaged it.
And that's what happened.
That's how I ended up paralyzed.
And that was November 27th, 2019.
I was told that I would never walk again, that I would need round-the-clock care, I would need someone to dress me, change me, nothing.
I had tubes in both ends.
I had no control of nothing.
And that was one of the worst days of my life.
Next to losing my brother.
I lost my brother earlier through suicide.
So that and losing my brother and my sister were the worst days of my life.
Okay.
Do you have just a side note?
You don't have to answer this if it's not comfortable.
You don't.
But anyway, do you know why your brother commuted suicide?
Do you have any idea?
Yes, of course.
Honestly, he did it in my home.
My brother got hooked on heroin while I was in the military, fortunately.
And he was living with my mom and he was stealing from my mom.
My brother was a big guy because I'm 6'1", 240, and I work out.
My brother was bigger than me, but he was younger.
My mom's a little Italian lady.
I said, listen, come up here, live in my house.
I'll get you health insurance, and I'm going to get you to rehab if you really want to change your life.
He said he did.
He came up.
I got him insurance, got him into a methadone, which is another money racket, by the way.
The money they charge them on methadone is they could get heroin cheaper.
They You understand?
It's the pharmaceutical companies.
So I saw that, boom, firsthand.
And my brother just, he relapsed one day and he just went to the house and had a gun and went in the backyard and killed himself.
And I found him.
Oh, God.
Okay.
All right.
Now, I don't know if I asked you this, but is your father still alive?
Yeah, my father's still alive.
He did 15 years, eight months on a life sentence without parole and was later fought in the appellate courts and got a resentencing to life with parole, which made him eligible to get out.
So he got out at 15 years, eight months.
Okay.
And is he still like this incorrigible drug dealer type person?
No, no, no, no, no.
They got his attention that time.
He's 85 years old, Carrie.
He's not.
Okay, well, you know, I don't know.
All right.
Listen, I got, listen, this guy, I got to look.
Medical cannabis, go home and relax.
Just watch all the movies you want now.
Don't worry about all that.
No, he's not coming out of retirement, okay?
Okay.
You can walk down dark alleys again, trust me.
He just had his hip replaced.
He ain't chasing nobody down.
Okay, fair enough.
So, this is just an idle question, but I don't know if you ever thought about it.
Because I had kind of a brush with...
I was in the Peace Corps for a short time, and then I got out of it.
But they try to shoot you up with every vaccine known to man.
So they do the same thing to the military.
Yes.
Did it ever occur to you that it's possible that your body reacted in kind of a worse way to the situation that you found yourself in in the prison?
That's one question.
Okay, so did you ever kind of put those two and two together?
Yeah.
You mean being vaccinated as far as the military?
Making it difficult to fight off, you know, and more possible for the staff to take over the rest of your body, so and so.
That's a great question.
I don't know, Carrie.
I don't know.
All I know is that when you're in the military, you shut up and get in line, and they...
And I got all the anthrax shots that everyone said was bad.
I got all those shots.
So I don't know.
That's a good question.
Okay.
Now, also, do you think that perhaps you...
That you might have...
Did you...
You know, it's interesting because a lot of the military gets used in experiments.
Okay.
So what I want to know is, do you think that you escaped that?
Or do you think, do you have like, do you have strange dreams?
Do you think that you were, they try, you know, try to experiment on you, augment any of your limbs, this and that.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, honestly, if they did, I didn't know about it.
I didn't know about it.
I was just, you know, they do have psychological operations and things like that, and they do ask for volunteers to do certain stuff.
You know what saved me?
I was what they call mission essential, because like they told me when I was going through canine school, we could shit another U, but we can't replace that dog.
You understand?
So because I was qualified to hold a leash and talk to a dog, it made me mission essential.
You understand?
So, you know what I mean?
So I was...
But mission essential...
My dog was the real star.
I just held the leash.
You know what I mean?
But we were mission essential, in other words.
So...
All the burn pits in Iraq, for sure.
That hurt me.
Still, to this day, it irritates my skin from the burn pits.
I still have problems with my skin.
I don't understand.
What is that?
What is a burn pit?
The burn pit is what they discovered years later.
What they have is when you go to Iraq and you go to these war zones in Afghanistan, they put you up in like a tent, right?
Let's say like a tent or they're like trailers, okay?
Well, what they do with the garbage and all the gasoline and the human waste...
And anything they find, even dead bodies, animal carcasses, they burn it.
They're on the base.
They burn it.
And they burn it constantly.
So from morning to night, you go outside.
Maybe you go to the shower place.
You take a shower.
You shave.
You come out.
All that stuff hits your face.
You breathe it in.
A lot of guys come back now with cancer.
They're coming back with brain cancer, lung cancer.
I break into rashes every now and then, which I never had a skin problem.
I believe it's from those burn pits.
That's what's going on right now.
When you were in Iraq, did you see what might be called illegal operations?
Did you become aware of the underground base?
Were you aware of the situation in Abu Ghraib where they were torturing the prisoners in a certain way?
I came a little after the Abu Ghraib and We were thoroughly brief.
Do not go near a prisoner with a dog.
Now, of course, that was after they got caught.
So I don't know what might have happened had I got there then.
But was I asked to bring my dog around prisoners?
Yes, I was.
I said no.
We had a clear mandate from the Chief of Naval Operations because I was Navy helping the Army.
Our highest ranking naval officer said you will not bring a dog around any prisoners, not within whatever, 10 feet of a prisoner.
So I obey that order.
So when anytime an Army guy or someone tried to get me to bring a dog in or whatever, excuse me, I can't do that.
It's an illegal order, sir.
And that was it.
And they never gave me a problem because that's just, I mean, I'm a pretty straight up guy.
I'm not going to do that.
If I have it in black and white here on paper, you're not going to force it.
It's an illegal order.
I don't have to obey that.
Okay, now you have a picture of yourself with, I think, if I saw it correctly, I think you and maybe your dog and Geraldo, is that right?
Yeah, yeah, I met Geraldo.
I met Geraldo there.
He was really nice.
You know, he took a picture with me, and he kept trying to pet my dog.
And I'm like, listen, Geraldo, stop.
Listen to me.
Stop.
And he was like, no, sit.
I'm like, listen, don't give my dog commands, dude.
Relax.
I'm telling you, this dog will bite you.
And then I finally got the dog to calm down and stay in the middle.
And I'm like, Geraldo, Fox better have a good medical plan because if you try to bite this dog again, he's going to bite your head off.
And he laughed and then we took the picture.
So, yeah.
Okay.
So, in terms of, you know, you contacted me and you wanted to come on my show.
Okay.
Now, At the time, I thought, why does this guy want to come on my show?
What does he have to say?
We didn't really talk ahead of time.
I think I might have dialogued online with you, but that's it.
So what do you want to say about that?
Because, you know, here you are, you've got this opportunity, and I want to hear the rest of the story.
And I do want to say, you know, on my website, I put a lot of your pictures.
And you're, I mean, if 2019, this started happening to you about the being paralyzed, but you're already starting to walk, like you're an amazing person.
You know, mind over matter, right?
You're absolutely proving that story.
And let me just say that I have a girlfriend who, she's no longer alive now, but she was injured, a back injury on stage.
She was an actress and dancer, and they said she'd never walk again when she was in the hospital.
Same thing happened to you.
And she did.
Eventually, she just walked out of the hospital.
She was just...
So you're, you know, there are people, people, you know, I mean, actually, I was told I was going to die of cancer and I just cured myself and walked away and wouldn't go to the doctor.
So I don't normally talk about that.
So, you know, this is a situation.
Doctors lie to people.
And when they're not lying, they're just so bought into the system.
They believe what they've been, you know, it's a propaganda system, right?
Yeah, it's a business.
It's for profit health care.
It's a business.
Yeah, but assuming they're not in it for just the money.
Well, they make a lot of money off the rehabs and the referrals and all that.
Kara, when I was laying in the hospital, thank God I had insurance and I was through the military.
Thank God.
Otherwise, I would have never been able to rebound from the debt.
My bills were over a million dollars, but I had insurance, thank God.
The VA took care of me, and God bless them for that.
But the visits, when these guys would just walk in and say, hey, how are you?
Like when I got the itemized bill, five times a day I would have five different doctors, a urologist, and I wasn't even there for a urology problem.
And I'm sitting there and it's just like, oh, how are you?
Then when I saw the bill itemized, they were getting $225 every time they walked in there.
Every time, every day, the whole three months I was in there.
Okay, so back to my, you know, sort of original question, I kind of mixed it up with stuff.
But so what can you tell us, you know, what it was, you know, because it's interesting to me that I mean, I love dogs, and I think it's great that you did what you did.
But is there some reason why you didn't become an investigator?
Because it sounds like in a certain way, I don't know, if somebody came back to you today, said, Do you want to be an investigator?
Would you say no?
I am an investigator.
I was an investigator.
I'm also a licensed private investigator in the state of Florida.
I was a command investigator on board the USS Mount Whitney.
That's the 6th Fleet Admiral's ship.
I was his personal investigator.
I investigated all the crimes on that ship, from rape, suicides, to extortion, prostitution, drug dealing, everything.
Fights, all the way down to the minor little frigging, my wallet's missing, my ID card's missing.
I was the investigator.
I was a born investigator, Carrie, honestly.
Yeah, I'm not surprised.
I'm just nosy.
What?
I'm just nosy.
I was born nosy, my mother would say.
No, I mean, you seem like an investigator to me, so that's why I'm asking.
So, okay, so given your situation, like, I don't know, you know, you're telling me what you've done in the past, and you've done this, and you've done that, and all this stuff, and I want to know what you're doing right now.
I'm trying to walk again.
So is that consumes all your time?
Yeah, well, I'm trying to walk again and I'm trying to start my own podcast, the Stone Sailor Podcast, because cannabis saved my life.
We haven't got to that yet, but cannabis saved my life.
I'm trying to start my own brand, the Stone Sailor brand, my own podcast.
I got a YouTube channel, the Stone Sailor, Rob Farlow.
I'm also on Instagram.
And my job now is to get myself better, get myself healthy, and remove the stigma from cannabis on society.
And legalize and release our plan.
Our plan is in prison too, our cannabis plan.
And that needs to be freed, along with all the people that are in jail for it.
That's my mission.
Criminal justice reform, ending the drug war.
The drug war's gotta end.
It's destroyed our country.
Afghanistan, Iraq, and the drug war are...
Are the worst things that ever happened to our country.
And we need to get out of it now.
We need to end all those wars now.
They're all illegal and they're all making somebody else rich.
When I went to Iraq, I fought for Halliburton.
I feel like I fought for Halliburton, not the United States of America.
And that still sits in my gut and turns every once in a while when I watch it on TV. Okay, yeah.
And Halliburton is a pretty serious...
You know, black operation.
Oh, for sure.
KBR, Holliburton, Custard's Battle, all those places.
I went to firearm school in Mayock, North Carolina at the old Blackwater Training Center.
The whole site's black.
Even the rocks are painted black there.
Okay, so that was a pretty, you know, ominous thing to look at when I went there for school.
Okay, so...
Are you still in Florida?
Yeah, I'm in Florida.
I'm in the Orlando area.
Okay, don't tell us where you live.
Okay, I'm not telling you where I'm living.
I'm in the Orlando area.
Okay.
Undisclosed location, Carrie.
Undisclosed.
Yeah, cool.
Okay, so as far as, you know, you know that there's a drug war going on and Florida is really, you know, Central in that.
And the mobs are really major.
So your father, I think, was part of the mob.
Is that right?
He was an associate.
He did a lot of their dirty work.
Alright, so they know who you are.
They know I am the son of him, yes.
And I have bumped into some of them in prison that knew my father.
And my father had a very good reputation inside the wall in prison.
Outside the wall with my mother and everybody, not a very good reputation.
But inside the wall, he was very well respected.
And when people would say to me, are you so-and-so, son?
And I would say, yes, I am.
And I would keep walking, but I would report it to my management and tell them I had a contact.
This person, inmate, knows my father.
Of course, it's all disclosed on my background check when I got hired, when I went into the military.
They look into all that.
So I told them the truth.
It wasn't me.
I didn't do anything wrong.
So if I had an encounter with someone that knew my dad behind the wall, I would just report it to my boss and say, so-and-so knows my dad.
He didn't ask me for anything.
He didn't try to compromise me.
But this is the contact I'm making you aware of.
And that's how I did it.
I played straight, Carrie.
Okay.
All right.
So now I think we made it into the correctional officer thing.
Did you meet a lot of, you know, did you make some, did you get educated?
You know, I'm kind of like, did you, do you feel that you were inspired, educated?
Did you try to educate yourself?
Yeah, I did get educated.
Prison is a university, okay?
You learn a lot.
I learned a lot of ingenious ways to do things.
I learned that a lot of these guys, if their energy was channeled positively, they could be another...
Another Tesla.
I mean, the stuff they come up with and the scams that they would come up with were just ingenious, you know?
Some of them were stupid, but they had some really good, talented people that just never, you know, they got caught up in something, made a mistake, wrong crowds, stupid things, and now they end up caught in and they're sentenced for way more time than they should get, and they're just wasting away, you know?
And I saw that.
That, to me, the whole waste of a human being was the worst crime.
You know, someone...
A lot of people think they're all rapists and murderers.
They're not.
Most of them are in there for non-violent crimes.
And that is a crime in itself.
And the prosecutors, like I was saying, what they'll do, they rely on people to tell on other people, informants.
So if they got you, Carrie, and they say...
We're going to give you 30 years and they win 98% of their cases because they rig juries, they jury man, they do all that shit.
They intimidate witnesses and they tell you, Carrie, we want you to tell on this person.
And you go, I don't even know this person.
We'll give you three years in a camp if you tell on this person.
If not, we're going to put you in max prison.
And they will.
They'll throw you in a penitentiary, Carrie, where you can get hurt.
They will purposely do that to you.
Yes.
I believe you.
Okay.
100%.
No, totally.
So, okay.
So now you got the situation.
Do you want to share like maybe your method of healing yourself?
Any, you know...
Tips you might, people might find valuable as to what you're doing to go down that road.
I had my moment with God like Jacob did.
I fought him.
I wrestled him, okay?
And at the end of the day, when I laid in the hospital two, three days after my surgery and I was laying there feeling sorry for myself, swollen, just in pain, I mean, they dumped so much morphine and narcotics in me.
I was seeing things.
I was having conversations with my grandmother, and she's been dead for 30 years, okay?
So I'm sitting there in the hospital, and I just had my moment with them.
And the bottom line was this.
You can either choose to live, or you could effing die.
Now, he didn't use the word eff, but that's it.
You got two choices.
You either live and be the best at it, or you die and kill yourself right now.
That wasn't an option for me.
My mother already lost two kids.
My mother told me, if you kill yourself, I will kill myself immediately after I hear the news, so you're responsible for me.
So that was not an option for me.
So I said, I gotta live.
And from that point forward, I woke up the next day, and it was like the clouds parted, everything parted, the sun came, and I just said, I'm gonna walk again.
See, God didn't give me good sense.
He didn't give me good sense enough to believe an expert who told me that I would never walk again.
I'm glad he didn't give me that good sense.
I also took a lot of my rehabilitation off of watching the inmates work out in prison.
I watched how they did calisthenics and the creative ways they did to build their body because they took all the weightlifting out of the prisons.
I also took a page from them.
I watched how they worked out because I used to work out and watch them too, how they did pull-ups, how they were doing things with Just filling bags of sand and doing squats with them.
So I took a lot from their page too.
And I rehabilitated myself.
And I figured just like a human being, we're born and we're created.
Our first nine months are in water.
So my theory was, let me go to the swimming pool and use aquatic therapy and help build myself.
So I went to the water.
I went back to the beginning.
And after a couple months, things just started to...
you know, come alive in my body.
It was a miracle.
It was a miracle, you know, and between your, your brain and your, your butt crack to get up out of bed in the morning, a million miracles have to happen.
Most people don't realize that, but they have to happen.
And I know they're miracles now, and I'll never take those miracles for granted again, because if you lose them, you never, ever get them back unless a miracle happens to you like me.
And I got them back.
So now I'm on a walker.
I regained all my bowel movement.
I'm on a walker.
I'm able to drive now.
I'm able to do things they told me a year ago I would never be able to do.
And I'm going to walk again.
I'm back doing my jujitsu.
I'm going to get my black belt.
And I know that my story can help or inspire other people.
So be it.
So my friends would tell me, you've got to tell the story.
I don't want to tell my story.
It's personal things.
I don't want to share that.
Up until three months ago, most of my friends didn't know anything about my father or anything about, you know, all the bad circumstances I grew up in because I didn't tell them because I was always ashamed because I felt like if they knew the truth about me, they would judge me and maybe not like me.
That was my insecurity.
Okay.
Up to three months ago, you didn't tell your story?
Up until three, four months ago, when I did the first show, when I came on, when I went on the John and Gene show, and John Elite convinced me that I need to tell my story.
And this guy was a mob hitman.
And now he's not a hitman anymore.
He's out of jail, and he's got his own podcast, and he works a lot with vets.
And I don't care what the man did.
He did his time.
It's over, you know?
So when he heard about my story, he said, you got to come on.
I'm starting a show.
You got to come on.
I'm like, I don't want to tell nobody about my life, you know?
And I did.
And then from there, I got nothing but love from people.
And people were like, you got to tell more people about this and how cannabis saved my life, how they were doping me up with all these pills.
And I had a friend.
I wasn't a pot smoker.
I started smoking pot really at 45.
I'm 46 now.
You understand?
My buddy came over and brought me pot and was like, here, try this.
This will help you.
And it did.
It helped me.
It saved me.
Because I was this close to ending it.
I was in so much pain, Carrie.
My PTSD from the war.
It was just...
I was living in a prison.
And cannabis was the key that let me out.
Okay.
Now...
In terms of telling, you know, it seems obvious that you would tell your story.
I'm kind of surprised to hear that you wouldn't.
So...
Just a private guy.
I was just always private.
I didn't like to really share things about my life.
Just like what you said about the cancer thing.
I kind of, you know, I just wanted to keep it to myself, you know?
Right.
Okay.
Well, then...
Now that you're out here and you're talking, did you have any, say, inspiration?
Because it seems like there's plenty of inspiration out there for people out there talking about everything under the sun.
In essence, interviewers are a dime a dozen.
People are out there talking about everything.
Is there anybody who inspired you out there?
Like a military person or anything like that?
Um, I just think cannabis did it.
Cannabis opened my brain and it just, I, to be honest, I've been to, I've been to a lot of shrinks at the VA, but I never felt as good as I did after doing that first podcast.
Just like I'm going to feel when I get off with you.
I'm going to feel so good.
I've, I, you just feel so, it's so cathartic to me to tell my story and to talk.
This is therapy for me.
This is the best therapy I ever had.
So that's my inspiration, really.
I didn't realize how much benefit it was to come out of the closet and just tell people your story.
That's why I tell people, I know people, they smoke cannabis, but they're afraid to tell their kids and their grandkids.
I said, come out of that cannabis closet.
It's okay.
It's okay.
Because they have a different generation.
Nancy Reagan, like me, hugs are better than drugs.
No, buds are better than hugs, baby.
Okay, now, what about meditating?
Have you taught yourself to meditate?
Yeah, I do meditate.
Believe it or not, my father taught me meditation.
That helped him in prison.
He taught me.
I used to laugh about it, but he told me the benefits of meditation.
And then I started looking into it, and I started putting on some music, and I started doing 15, 10, 15 minutes a day, you know, to do that.
It does make a difference.
If people try it, it really does.
You know, it kind of just centers you in the morning.
It's like coffee.
It'll center you.
Okay, well, might I suggest that you learn kundalini meditation?
In other words, activate your chakras and do that.
So it's easy enough to, you know, to access videos on how to do it.
I have a couple videos out there about it, as well as...
Because I sure can't spell it.
Okay.
Send me the link, Carrie, please.
Yeah, it's what's healing you to begin with, okay?
So if you learn this, you will even heal faster.
Okay.
I know that sounds wild, but trust me, you will.
And you're in a good situation.
You're not too old, so you can probably activate yourself very well.
And once you do that, you'll...
Double time your healing.
Okay.
Sounds good.
I'll try it.
Sounds like a possibility for you.
Okay.
Now, okay.
So you say you have PTSD. Do you have PTSD? Yes.
Yes, ma'am.
Okay.
So how does that manifest for you, if you don't mind my asking?
Well, you get...
Well, cannabis has completely changed that for me.
Okay?
The drugs they were giving me at the VA didn't help me.
They just don't make you...
Okay, don't tell me how it changed it.
Tell me how it was or is.
Oh, it was?
Well, you're very short.
Like, you get snappy.
You get irritable.
But do you get flashbacks?
Oh, sure.
Sometimes you get a little sudden, you know, intrusive thoughts sometimes.
Maybe you smell something or you see something that reminds you of something, you know, and it brings you back there, you know.
Okay, and like what kind of situation would it bring you back to?
Because you were...
A guy with a dog.
Yeah.
So I, you know, I, I'm just trying to envision.
I was in combat.
I was in combat in Iraq and I was shot at a lot of times, multiple times because they had, believe it or not, the insurgents had a price on the dogs.
They had a price on the dogs' heads to kill them.
Because we were finding all the IEDs in the road.
So they wanted to kill the dog.
So we are under threat of sniper attack all the time.
So when you went out there in a road to clear it, there could be a sniper in the bush.
You don't know.
Like I said, you could step on a bomb or a bullet can hit you right in the head.
You're not even going to know you're dead.
It's going to be that quick.
So that's the environment you got to work in.
That's a high stressful pressure environment.
Okay, so anything from sand to smelling gunpowder to smelling things like that, seeing certain things, hearing certain sounds and songs can bring me back there.
Okay, but if it brings you back there, then, you know, what does that mean?
Like, does that mean, like...
Are you going into a situation where you don't want to remember, but it comes back anyway?
I'm just curious in terms of people, because I've heard about this, but I've not experienced, I've not been in war myself.
I'm in a war.
Yeah, I hear you.
So I'm just curious.
I mean, what's so bad about it?
What's so bad about the memories?
You know what I mean?
Well, some of them, you know, some of the memories aren't bad.
Some are good and some are bad.
You know what I mean?
You can have, I mean, I have good memories of a song by Pink Floyd called Wish You Were Here.
Because I had a buddy that had a guitar and would bring it out at nighttime.
And we would look up at the moon and he would play that and everybody would smoke cigars and hear that.
So that's a good memory.
Then I have other memories where eating Chinese food, for instance.
Why is that, you ask?
Well, because they flew in Chinese food special one day for us, which someone leaked out to the insurgents, and we all lined up early to get served first for this delicious Chinese food.
Well, there was a mortar attack on our mess hall.
On our dining facility.
And I watched a young man get hit with a mortar and just get split in half diagonally and scream for his mother.
You understand?
Well, I had honey garlic chicken in a styrofoam clamshell.
You understand?
So, that's another intrusive thought.
Okay?
And, you know...
I mean, when it's happening, just curious, like, if, you know, you can kind of think about this, but...
When you're having that intrusive thought and it's coming, is it because you feel you were powerless in the situation to change it?
Would you say that's the root of it?
Is it just the terror or the horror of it?
It seems like you would become somewhat immune to these kinds of visions, if you will.
What is it about it that makes it like, you know...
Kind of like a nightmare.
I'm just...
You know...
You understand what I'm asking?
Well, I mean...
Everybody reacts to it differently.
Okay?
So...
Some people have really bad...
They just can't take it.
You know?
They break down.
They can't take it.
They want the...
They want the voices, they want the images to stop, and they just can't stop.
And then some people like me, I take the image, I process it, I get an emotional feeling about it, maybe I'll sweat, I'll get a physical reaction, and then halfway through the little movie, I'll tell myself, It's just me.
Relax.
You understand?
And I'm able to step back and go, okay, I'm just having a flashback.
It's not real.
Some people have it.
Now, this is something I had to learn.
You understand?
You've got to learn these things.
And, you know, 4th of July festivals and stuff like that, I don't like to go to those things.
I don't go to those things.
That's just a rocket and a mortar show to me, you know, so I don't go to that stuff.
So I know how to stay out of those type of environments.
I know what the triggers are, and I had them up.
What about movies?
Like, are you one of those people who can't watch movies, you know, war movies, this kind of movie, that kind of violence, you know?
You know what?
I don't watch war movies anymore.
I really don't.
Some of these movies are very realistic and they get real close to home.
They hit real close to home.
I don't like to really watch them anymore.
So if you were to look back at that experience of being in Iraq and being with the dog and everything, Do you regret, you know, in other words, do you regret having gone through that experience or do you, you know, do you find the value of it or how does it feel for you?
It's a double-edged sword, but the biggest regret is I believe the lie.
That was the regret.
I believed a lie and basically my president made a war criminal out of me because we illegally invaded that country.
We did not belong there.
We shouldn't be there anymore at all.
And I knew after I got over there, after doing my first tour, I knew it was all bullshit and it was all about money.
I saw all the civilian contractors making hundreds of thousands of dollars tax-free and they were paying us peanuts.
I knew there was corruption rampant and it was the wrong reason.
I felt like I wished...
I wish I was really fighting for America like our grandfathers did in World War II. You know what I mean?
I wanted something like that.
That was the experience.
I wanted to say I did something like that.
I really saved our liberty.
But I didn't do that in Iraq.
Okay.
Fair enough.
Is that the only country you went to?
Yeah, I did two tours in Iraq.
But as far as in a combat zone, yes.
Well, I've been to Kuwait and Qatar, but those were just in transfers and stuff.
But no, I lived in Asia.
I lived in Italy.
I lived in Japan.
I lived in the West Coast.
I lived in Washington State.
You know, I was over there in California.
Did you do all this after you were out of the military or before?
No, all in the military.
Some before, some after.
Oh, all right.
Some before, some after.
Okay, so do you have any kids?
No, I have no kids.
Nope.
Do you want to have kids?
I'm a little too old for that now.
I'm 46.
That's a ship sail.
That's not old for a man.
Oh, Carrie, I'm just trying.
Listen, I just learned to wipe my own ass.
I'm not wiping somebody else's ass, Carrie, all right?
No, it's cool.
I mean, whatever.
I'm not.
No, it's not my thing.
I like being able to do what I want and travel and do things like that, you know?
Okay.
So...
Okay, let's go back to before 2019, okay?
So were you still in the prison guard job or, you know, correctional officer job?
Yeah, since 2012.
Well, but in prior, like 2018?
Yeah, 2018, I was working.
You were, okay, you were.
My last day of work was literally like November 24, 2019.
Two days later, I was paralyzed in the hospital.
Wow.
So that was it.
Okay, well, so this is really sudden, and you really have made a turnaround in record time, really, it would seem.
Because you're very energetic.
You're getting on with things.
You're making incredible strides.
People can see the pictures on my website, as I said.
And you have a website.
Well, you have a YouTube channel, correct?
I have a YouTube channel, Instagram, yeah.
Okay, and let me see if I... Okay, I already put this in there.
So, yeah, I mean, you gave me that YouTube link.
Yeah.
I don't have it right here, but I'll include that on my...
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
But it's called...
People can search under the name, right?
The Stone Sailor.
That's me, Rob Farlow.
And I'm on Instagram, too, as The Stone Sailor and as Rob Farlow.
I'm starting up the...
Like I said, I'm trying to get my podcast started up.
And I'll be doing that.
And I'll be talking about life, liberty, and the pursuit of cannabis, Carrie.
And I expect to have you on.
I expect to have you on.
You didn't ask me my secret yet.
Oh, well, I want your secrets.
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm going there.
You want me to give it to you?
Yeah, absolutely.
The person that transferred Whitey Bolger from Penn 2 prison to where he got killed in West Virginia, the person who transferred him was the same person that was on duty that night when Epstein...
Hung himself.
Do you know that?
Okay, I don't know who Whitey Boulder...
Whitey Boulder was that famous gangster.
They did the movie Black Mass, Johnny Depp.
Okay.
He was a famous gangster.
He was on the run for 20-something years from the government.
He was the number one wanted fugitive.
And he was one of the most popular inmates at USP Coleman Pen 2.
Well, he was transferred to another prison in West Virginia where they killed him literally 12 hours later.
And how does that relate to Ed Epstein?
Well, because the lady that signed the transfer to send him to...
West Virginia, which was literally sending him to his death because that's a prison he should have not have been sent to.
There was all enemies there at that prison.
They sent him to there, right?
The same lady that signed it was the same lady that was on duty the night Epstein hung himself walking.
She was supposed to be doing the checks on him.
You understand?
You heard it from me first, from Carrie first.
So that would implicate her as being part of a group of controlled messengers or whatever who were part of that.
First of all, Epstein didn't kill himself.
We've got to ask her.
She was on duty.
She was the same one that sent Bolger to his death.
Okay.
Right.
Okay.
But There's various things that go on, of course.
Whether or not somebody, you know, they can, like, administer a certain kind of drug, and then the person looks like they're dead, and they, you know, then they put him in a van, they drive him away, they resuscitate him, and he's often, you know, gone to an underground base or wherever the hell, right?
Of course.
So she's part of a crew that, you know, and...
Well, the media doesn't say anything about it.
That's why I'm telling you this is inside baseball, Carrie.
I'm giving it to you.
I hear you.
Okay, so let me ask you though, telling me this, like we're not using her name, but you know, someone can research and find that out, I'm sure.
Yep.
But is that going to put you in danger?
I really don't care if it does.
I mean, listen, I didn't regain my ability to walk again, to walk on eggshells around people.
I don't give a shit.
If they want to get me, they know where I live, okay?
They know where I live.
Okay, now, how did you get that piece of information?
I mean, I don't want you to...
Well, like I said, this is all inside baseball.
I... Okay, but is it because you were in, because of your job?
Was it because you're in your job and your job has inside information?
I still have a lot of very good people that work in the prison that I know.
Oh, all right.
So, you know, I have my sources, and the media has not reported that yet, but this is the same young lady that had him transferred to his death.
You understand?
I mean, if I know that there's a prison full of people that want to kill you, but the prison you're at here is safe because it's a non-gang, active gang penitentiary, it's kind of like for elderly prisoners that are older.
But I intentionally send you to this prison where you have known what they call separate T's.
That's a record that they put on your name when you're in the prison system.
Separate T. That means you and I can never be in the same institution because we're separate T's.
That is on a prison record.
You understand?
Anybody that goes to transfer you has to look and say your name and look at the prison you're going and see if you have any separate T's.
And if you have separate T's there, you're not supposed to go there.
Well, mistake, and he went there, and he died about six hours later.
That was fast.
Okay, so, but this person who signed him out or escorted him doesn't necessarily know all of that.
Do they, you know, looking at the record, deciding- Yeah, that's their job.
Following orders.
Oh, you mean, yeah.
Well, you know, obviously her job is to make sure that you are eligible to go there.
You understand?
But if she has someone over her telling her...
She signs you out, does she take you as well?
- I mean, you're kind of... - No, no, no, no.
She signs an order.
She signs an order.
The warden has to sign it to approve it.
Then it goes to the regional directors.
The warden, it starts at the warden then.
No, it starts at the case manager.
Goes to the warden.
In other words, the case manager, the warden could tell the case manager, I want to transfer this guy.
She has to go on the computer and look and see if it's alright for you to be transferred there.
And then if it's not, she's supposed to explain.
You can't go send this person here because of the separatists.
Okay, but easily, so it can start with the warden.
Oh yeah, of course.
Well, it could start higher than him.
It could just be down from D.C. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
He picks up the phone, someone says, you know, transfer this guy to such and such.
He's, you know, because the mob boss says, or whoever it is, right?
Or a congressman or a senator.
And then he basically tells his flunky, which is this woman, and she looks it up on the computer.
Then maybe she even says, oh, wait a second, he's this.
And he says, no, the computer's wrong, or it's all right.
He says, I don't care.
Sign it anyway.
Send it.
That's it.
Yeah, she's one in a trail is all right.
Yeah, well, she ends up leaving that institution and going to Brooklyn.
On a transfer to work.
I guess she moved to New York or whatever.
He or she.
So they used her because she's already been proven to be on the team.
Loyal!
Yeah, maybe it was a promotion.
Maybe she got a promotion to another job there.
All I know is that she was on duty that night.
She's one of the two people that were moonlighting as officers to do the rounds in the confinement where you have to visually see the inmates every 45 minutes.
Once every 45 minutes, you have to put eyes on these inmates.
Even if they're sleeping, you see that they're alive and you sign the door saying they're good.
And every 30 minutes, 45 minutes, you get...
It's supposed to be done every 30 minutes, but it cannot exceed 45.
So they have to do rounds.
And there's cameras too, which they say weren't working, which I don't believe that at all.
You worked in a prison, you know the cameras would be working.
If those cameras went down, trust me.
A security prisoner like that, super high profile.
If the cameras weren't working, give me a break.
Bullshit.
So she ends up being at that prison and she's supposed to be making these rounds in the middle of the night, checking on all the inmates and signing the little sheet, saying she did rounds.
All right.
But nonetheless, this person is under orders from someone on a higher level.
Now, did your source happen to talk about the higher level?
No.
My source didn't tell me that, but he did tell me that that is what happened, and she's the woman that ended up transferring him, and she's also the woman that was supposed to be watching Epstein and I to make sure he wouldn't kill himself.
Right.
I got it.
You know, there are no coincidences, you know?
Sure.
Of course not.
So, well, there are synchronicities, but there's also meaning in that.
All right.
So, okay.
So, that's one secret.
What about in a more substantial way?
Like, that's, you know, kind of focused on a small incident chain of command, you know, that one can follow out.
But in terms of, I mean, in the prison system, I mean, I don't know.
It seems like there would be conspiracies every day, in essence.
Things that you were aware of that were going on behind the scenes, so on and so forth.
Things that you were told to look the other way.
And even though you're like this stand-up guy, There had to be things that you had to let go because you couldn't reform the whole place on your own, right?
No, I informed on a supervisor who would refuse to allow me to have an inmate change his clothes after he defecated on himself.
Wanted me to leave him in there with his clothes to teach him a lesson?
I said no.
And I got him clothes and I got him a change of clothes.
If you go in there with integrity and you tell them off the bat, listen, I'm going to do my job to the best of my ability, but I'm not breaking the law and I ain't lying for nobody.
They know not to ask you to do things.
I would show up sometimes to work and they would say, You know, you're not going to work here today.
We're going to put you on the perimeter.
In other words, I get to drive around in the truck all day outside the prison and I get to use my cell phone and I can call people because you can't bring that inside.
So that's like a real gravy post.
People love that to get that post, you know, because you're just driving.
You're not in the prison.
You're driving around.
You can listen to the radio.
Okay, what's the point?
Well, my point is, if they were going to do something like that...
They would give you that thing to do.
Yeah, I would get something like that.
They would get you out of the way.
Yeah.
Okay, but even so...
All right, so is there anything else you want to tell me in terms of secrets that wouldn't necessarily get you killed, but patterns.
Like, I'm interested in patterns.
Not so much individuals.
Do you understand?
Yeah.
Because individuals can be bought, we know that, and they can be threatened, we know that.
But if there's a pattern, which is a conspiracy, that actually points up to the much higher levels that are orchestrating the lower levels, if you will, do you feel that you have tapped into any of that and so on?
Well, I mean, I think everybody knows.
We just had a Viking take over the Capitol.
Everybody knows that basically...
A what?
We had a Viking.
A Viking.
What do you mean by that?
The guy dressed like a Viking took over the Capitol.
Oh.
Anything's...
No.
Anything's possible.
I thought you meant Biden.
No, a Viking.
The Viking guy that ran it and took over...
You're talking about the Buffalo guy.
Whatever he is.
A buffalo man.
Whatever he is.
But all right.
Yeah.
Okay.
But I'm saying, after we've seen that, we know now the whole government's bullshit.
It's all fraud.
Okay?
These guys are up there pulling the strings.
My father told me, the higher up you get around people, the more degenerate they are.
So these people are degenerates.
You understand?
And that's what they're...
Look at these...
They're trying to silence the First Amendment.
The First Amendment's being gutted right now for people.
Okay?
If you disagree with the party line, they will censor you.
They will destroy...
Yeah.
No doubt about it.
Exactly.
Demonetize you.
They've already done that to me.
Yeah.
And those are the real terrorists.
Those are the real terrorists.
Yeah.
All right.
Now, what I'm going to do is we've been talking for a while.
I'm not going to keep you much longer.
And I want to really say that I appreciate, you know, your candor and your coming forward and your great energy.
And, you know, I wish you the very best.
Now, I do want to ask some people in the chat if they have anything, because this is a good opportunity for them.
And see if there's anybody that wants to ask you any direct questions.
So, anyway.
And by the way, I'm going to have that, as you call him, Viking on my show.
I'm inviting him on my show.
He's done a fabulous video revealing all kinds of excellent stuff.
Listen, I said they ought to make him the Secretary of Defense because he figured out what all these other big terrorists couldn't do, how to invade the Capitol.
He did it without a weapon, without a shot fired, without so much as a fistfight.
Yeah, well, he was part of a team.
And the people that were let in were let in.
Oh, yeah, I saw that.
Oh, I've done police and security for my whole life.
And yes, they let that in.
No doubt.
There's no doubt.
That was a plan.
Oh, for sure.
For sure.
For sure.
In fact, they bussed the men.
They brought in FIFA to do that.
I believe it.
100%.
Of course.
And actually, as you call him, Buffalo Man was one of the good guys.
I thought he was trying to be a Viking.
I didn't know he was a...
Okay, the Buffalo Man.
Yeah, whatever.
He just calls himself that.
I don't know.
All right, good.
Then I'm for it.
If he likes being called the Viking, I'll call him the Buffalo Man.
He just calls himself that.
Anyway, so, okay, well, now I have asked people if they want to ask you anything.
What years did you serve in Iraq?
Someone wants to know.
05, from 05 to 06, and from 07 to 08.
Okay, so you were in the military for 20 years and you were in Iraq for two years?
I did two seven-month deployments.
I did a seven-month deployment in 05 and I did a seven-month deployment in 08.
Okay, where did you spend most of your time then?
What do you mean?
Where I was stationed?
Yeah, in the military 20 years.
Okay, I spent, well, five years in Italy, three years in Japan, three years in Seattle, I mean, in Everett, Washington.
And in between that, I did two deployments to Iraq.
Okay, so when you were in those other countries, was your dog supposed to sniff out drugs or something?
Yeah, well, I used to do a lot of what they would call joint service missions with the Italian government, with the Japanese government, their defense force, and I would do a lot of counter drug operations as well as counter explosives.
I worked a lot of airports in Tokyo.
I swept a lot of luggage for bombs and just did a lot of joint missions with other agencies, as well as in Everett, Washington, too, with their local PD. We train their canine, I train their canine, and all that, and their police.
So I've been doing, I did it for a long time, you know, the security, law enforcement, anti-terrorism, force protection, those are my specialties.
Okay.
Have you tried, someone wants to know, have you tried full-spectrum cannabis oil and what do you like cannabis-wise?
I love full spectrum.
I have a vape cartridge.
I love the full spectrum cannabis oil.
I just got some of that.
I think it's wonderful.
About a month ago, I tried that.
Yeah, that's definitely good.
Okay.
And I guess this will be the last question.
Somebody wants to know, what's the craziest thing you saw as a correctional officer?
The craziest thing.
I saw...
It's pretty graphic, but I saw a man eat his own feces.
That was something you just don't forget.
A lot of those guys have mental health problems, too.
They should be in hospitals, too, Kerry.
Listen, those guys, after they get out of prison, I recognize PTSD because I have it, but I would see it in the inmates all the time.
I would be like...
It's just the way that they would react and the trigger.
So I knew how to talk to them because I suffer from it.
So then, you know, another thing from my headspace, you know, that helped me at my job too.
But yeah, being in prison, constantly worried about someone trying to hurt you or stab you or attack you, being on guard, it's like being in a war.
It is being in a war.
So you get post-traumatic stress from it.
People that are abused in relationships get PTSD. It's not just soldiers in combat.
You know, a lot of people, you know, are under that false, you know, belief.
But, you know, people can get PTSD that are in abusive relationships, that were inmates in prison, everything.
Oh, no doubt about it.
You've got a real bad guest.
Yeah.
Any kind of abuse.
Okay, what about last question?
Sorry, this is the final, final question.
Have you had, do you feel that you've been abducted by ETs?
Have you had any visuals on non-humans?
No, I haven't.
And if there's any ETs listening, I'll volunteer as long as they don't abuse me or hurt me.
If they just want to sample my blood or whatever, I'm cool with that.
Show me the spaceship.
Give me a tour like a ship.
You know, I would love that.
Okay, so you don't have any weird dreams that you can't explain?
Not about extraterrestrials, no.
No, ma'am.
Okay.
I do believe they exist, though, for sure.
All right.
Fair enough.
All right.
Well, it's been fun talking to you, Rob.
I hope, you know, I know someone in the chat once you know that, you know, they really respect what you're doing and coming forward and sending Keeping you in their prayers and they're very proud of you.
So just one person saying that.
So, you know, there's probably a lot of people will think the same thing.
I think your story is very inspiring.
And I wish you well in your journey.
And I think you're...
You're a real trooper.
So hang in there and, you know, check in with us and maybe you can come back on and, you know, if there's some new revelation in your world, let us know and we'll have you back.
Okay.
I want you on my show.
All right?
Okay, it's a deal.
No worries.
Okay, good.
I got your word, right?
Yeah, you got my word.
I'm honored and humbled.
Thank you so much for interviewing me, Carrie.
No worries.
I love it.
Okay, cool.
All right.
You take care, Rob.
And thanks, everyone, for watching.
We'll be back tomorrow.
I think Cyrus Parsa and Michael Jaco is also coming on Thursday.
So that's going to be a cool show as well.
And the bison one.
I can't miss that one.
Yeah, when I get that set up, for sure.
All right, good.
I want him on my show, too.
I hear you.
I want the bison.
Yeah, absolutely.
Okay.
All right.
Take care, everyone, and thank you.
And we're going to run the credits.
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