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Nov. 13, 2019 - Project Camelot

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JEFFREY DAUGHERTY CHRISTIAN WHISTLEBLOWER AND BROADCASTER

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	We have a very interesting guest and this is Jeff Doherty and about a week ago he interviewed me so I am returning the favor because I found out that he was a very interesting guy and has a lot going on so I thought it would be fun to bring him on my show, and so Jeff, it's great to have you here.
	So what I'm going to do here is look at your bio really quickly and kind of summarize it, and hopefully this will all work.
	And by the way, everyone, you'll be thrilled to hear, I suppose, that I'm using Because we had so much trouble in the last show.
	I don't know what's going on with this, but we're going to give it a try.
	So hopefully this will work properly and everyone will be happy with the result.
	Let me know if there's any issues.
	So, basically, un-indoctrinate yourself.
	Jeff Dougherty is a Bible College graduate and former 20-year minister with over 100,000 years of biblical study.
	During his ministry, he saw what he identified as cracks in the foundation of big-time religion.
	That led him to conclude that we have been subjected to 20,000 years of suppression and manipulation by a fear and guilt based control matrix.
	And he has dedicated his life to providing unbiased information as much as possible to assist people in deciding matters of faith.
	And then he considers himself a Christian whistleblower.
	He's an author, speaker, radio personality, and has been on Coast to Coast AM, multiple appearances there, and also the Power Hour, and is a proud father, grandfather, and U.S. Air Force veteran.
	So that's your bio.
	And basically, what I'd like to do is just have you augment that, because...
	You're quite an unusual combination of things, and I found that out when you talked to me.
	You asked me really good questions, which was a lot of fun, and I do recommend that interview that we did, either on your channel or my channel.
	You can find it on both for those that are interested.
	So, and I also hope you saw the article I sent you, because I really want to discuss that, about this Moloch statue that's been placed in front of the Colosseum.
	So, hopefully you saw that.
	So, Jeff, welcome.
	And please give us a background on how you ended up in biblical studies.
	Well, interesting is one of the nicer things I get called, Carrie, so I appreciate that very much.
	And, you know, I have kind of a weird story from the beginning.
	I was a football player, got hurt in a fit of depression, went into the Air Force and wound up...
	Getting born again, as you call it.
	I went to Bible college and went right very early into the ministry.
	So for 20 years, I was a licensed minister with some of the largest Protestant denominations in the world.
	I have over 100,000 hours of study in the biblical text, so it's not something that I just fell out of bed this morning and started dreaming up.
	And throughout those years, I started noticing that some of the things that we believe don't line up with the scriptures that are supposed to teach those things.
	And what I kind of saw was that here we were telling people that they were sinners from their first breath, that they had to have this thing called salvation, and that we had the only Savior in town.
	And yet, in the book that I was supposed to be talking from, I was seeing that we really are divine, sovereign, and free.
	And instead, we were trying to set up what I call a fear and guilt control matrix.
	And now my goal, my job is not to tell anybody what to believe, but to help get people as much information as I can get out there so they can make logical, rational decisions on what they believe.
	Look at what they believe.
	The worst reason to believe something is because you've been told to believe it.
	Study it for yourself.
	Look at the evidence.
	Whichever way you decide to go, if you've studied and actually thought about it on your own, then my work here is done.
	Okay, well that's quite a succinct overview right there.
	What I kind of meant was actually a little more personal.
	I understand you started becoming born again while you were in the military, it sounds like.
	Which is an interesting thing for that to go on.
	But what is it that made you so kind of fervent?
	Was it the military?
	You know, did you have a life-death experience?
	Or was there anything very specific that kind of launched you down that path?
	Well, Kerry, I've always been kind of an all-or-nothing kind of guy.
	I mean, just an example, before we came on this show, It's 34 degrees here and I just went out in 34 degree weather and jumped in a lake where the water is 35 degrees.
	It's called cold thermogenesis and it's really good for you.
	But I've always been somewhat of a risk taker, always been somewhat of a radical and I've never done anything in my life halfway and I hope that I never do anything halfway.
	So when I got into it as a minister, as a Christian, I got into it believing that the Bible was the Word of God, that we did have the way, the truth, and the life, and that this was the only way to live, and if you didn't get saved, you were going to hell, and you were going to burn the air forever and ever and ever.
	And I started adding things together and started thinking for myself.
	And I remember when my first daughter was born, I'm holding her in my arms and I start thinking, wait a minute.
	My theology tells me that this little person right here, since they've taken a breath, already has sin.
	And I just realized that that can't be true.
	There's something wrong.
	And from that moment, I started realizing that, hey, something's got to be different.
	I started looking deeper.
	I realized that the Apostle Paul taught that because she's a girl, she has to be quiet in church.
	She can't have authority over a man.
	She needs to be in the kitchen making a sandwich.
	And I started realizing there's just something wrong with these things.
	You start thinking about hell.
	Here's a God that's created all these people, and most of them wind up in a place burning forever.
	It just doesn't make any sense.
	And the more I broke it down, and then when I started coming into what we would call the truth movement, I hate that term, but there's really not another term that I can...
	Think of it.
	that everybody knows what I'm talking about, you start realizing the conspiracies that go on with governments.
	You start realizing the conspiracies that go on with secret societies.
	And in the truth movement, we're great at talking with the NSA.
	We're great about talking with the CIA.
	We're great about talking about the Fed, the ATF, but we won't touch the BIBLE.
	And at the end of the day, it's just another alphabet agency.
	The Bible as we have it today, what the New Testament was edited, vetted, and approved by the Roman Empire, one world government, and then vetted, edited, and approved by King James and the British one world government.
	So, I don't know why in the truth movement we are so good at putting everything else under the microscope, and we should be, and we're so good at dissecting other things, and we should be, and we're so good at looking and taking things apart, but when it comes to the Bible, all of a sudden there's this screeching halt, oh no, we can't touch that, And it is part of the conspiracy.
	It is part of the fear.
	It is part of the guilt.
	It is part of the control.
	And it deserves the same scrutiny that these other things do.
	And if you really believe in it, why would you be afraid to scrutinize it?
	Alright, well that makes sense.
	And scrutiny is absolutely what, of course, I would recommend.
	But...
	When you got into this, as you say, you're sort of an all-or-nothing kind of guy, did you have a sort of precursor?
	In other words, was your family involved in religion?
	Was that part of the reason why you were so easily kind of turned on to it?
	Was there anything, again, in terms of why in the military, why all of a sudden?
	That's a good question.
	I didn't sing in Nashville.
	I never murdered anybody.
	I wasn't a big drug dealer, so I'm not like these guys that have the great conversion stories.
	I got in the military.
	It's the first time I was really away from my family.
	I grew up in Florida.
	I was out in the state of Washington.
	And maybe I just got out by myself, and maybe I got a little lonely.
	I don't know.
	I'd like to think that I had—at that time, I thought it was a calling from the God of the Bible to be a preacher— But as we get down, you know, more into it, who was talking to me and what was talking to me.
	But I do believe that I do have a calling, for lack of a better word, to help people spiritually, to help people realize they're divine, they're sovereign, and they're free.
	But I never had this huge, dramatic, you know, traumatic experience that caused me to want to be a Christian.
	I had a buddy that I grew up with.
	We always talked about the Bible.
	We were real spiritual.
	We'd drink beer and talk about the Bible.
	But I guess when I got away and got to my own thoughts, I realized and thought that it was a way for me to go.
	And that's how it happened.
	I wish there was a more dramatic story, Gary, but there's really not.
	Yeah, that was the first one I've written.
	I've written 14 total.
	That was the first book that I wrote, Apostle Paul Antichrist.
	Okay, so yeah, sorry I was muted there.
	So you could hear me, but they couldn't.
	So I was asking him about the book and the title, and that's a very provocative title and book, I would imagine.
	I haven't obviously had time to read it, but can you tell us about it and why you wrote it?
	Yeah, basically, you know, you've got this term Antichrist, and everybody's thinking about Some, you know, boogeyman that's coming in the future.
	But the word, as used biblically, just means against the anointed.
	The word Christ is a very, very poor translation into English, and it's really anointed or flow.
	And Paul being the first Antichrist, or Apostle Paul Antichrist, is that he was the first one to systematize an attack against what I would call The message of the anointing that says you're divine, you're sovereign, you're free.
	The good things that most people think about when they think about Jesus, those would fall under the message of the anointing.
	And Paul crafted this Roman message, and it's interesting that we're going to talk about Moloch here today.
	Paul was the first one that crafted this information as a systematized attack and a way to destroy this message of the Christ or message of the anointing.
	And even someone like Thomas Jefferson, the third president of the United States, identified Paul as the first great corrupter of the doctrines of the Christ.
	And again, that Christ is a bad translation.
	It should be the first doctrines of the anointing.
	So the love your neighbor as yourself, peace that passes all understanding, life and life more abundant.
	Paul came in with the message against that, and it's in that sense that Paul was the first antichrist, the first one against the message of divinity, sovereignty, and freedom.
	And that's basically, it shows that book shows how, you know, the New Testament is like 26 books, and it's written Matthew, Mark, Luke, John.
	We all think it's this great order.
	But historically, Carrie, and we know when these books were written, historically, the order of those books is completely and totally jumbled up.
	And I have yet to have one person who believes in the veracity of the New Testament explain to me why those books are jumbled up.
	We know which one was first, second, third, fourth, yet they're all jumbled up.
	In their order, it's because when you read it in order, you see that the New Testament was a battle between forces loyal to the message of the anointing and Paul's new religion.
	The apostles would write, Paul would write.
	The apostles would write, Paul would write.
	It's a back and forth battle between two competing religions.
	At the end of the day, if you want to believe the religion of Paul, great, that's your right.
	If you want to believe the religion of the apostles, great, that's your right.
	But I think you have the right to know what was really going on and ask yourself, if they didn't want you not to know the truth, why did they jumble the books up in a way where it's impossible for you to know the truth until you start deciphering it yourself?
	Okay.
	Well, that's a very good analysis, I would say.
	Now, I'm wondering how do you deal with the notion that the Anunnaki, when they talk in the Bible about God, they're actually referring to God, plural, and they, in essence, are talking about the Anunnaki.
	It's the Anunnaki that are speaking, not God, per se, not the Creator, literally.
	And I guess when Jesus is talking, as they think he is, that's also someone translating or, you know, I mean, they didn't have recording devices back then, in theory.
	You know, so how this happened, you know what I'm saying?
	So these are big issues for me.
	And certainly, the issue of the Anunnaki, which is all over the Middle East, and I don't know if you've traveled in the Middle East, maybe you did as part of your military background, but how do you deal with that?
	How do you look at that?
	Well, it's really pretty simple.
	If you can get yourself to a place of objectivity, if you can get yourself into an empirical mindset, if you can step outside of your confirmation bias and just look at literature for literature's sake.
	And I have also two years study in anthropology, which really helped me develop more of an empirical, objective mindset.
	And if you look at the Bible, the Old Testament, the New Testament...
	If you look at the Sumerian texts, if you look at the other great texts that talk about creation, epochs, and things of that nature, you will notice that all of the stories are very, very similar.
	And when you look at the Old Testament, and you look at the Old...
	I'm losing my track of thought right now.
	I'm looking at the chat room.
	I'll stop doing that.
	When you look at the Sumerian texts, and then you look at the Bible...
	You realize very quickly, if you have any objectivity, that if I was being nice, I would say the writers of the Old Testament borrowed liberally from the Sumerian writings.
	If I was being honest, I would say they totally, completely jacked it and plagiarized it.
	It's the same story.
	The names are changed a little bit, but anybody with any objectivity knows it's the same story, and you're right, Kerry.
	And it's just another retelling of the same type of story.
	The word for God, when God created the heavens and the earth in Genesis 1-1, that word is Elohim.
	It means gods and goddesses, male and female, plural, more than one.
	And you really are talking about a group of gods and you're talking about an Old Testament that was literally plagiarized from many different creation epics that preceded.
	Absolutely.
	And even Jesus, there's 50 Jesuses Born in December, born in mangers, crucified, rose from the dead, and coming again.
	There's 50 of them.
	There's nothing unique about this Jesus of the Bible at all.
	Okay.
	Now, I don't know if you've ever looked at the work of Ashana Dean, but she's written two books, the Voyager books.
	And if you haven't, I think you're someone who might really be able to benefit from the information.
	There's a lot of people that find it difficult to deal with because it's quite sophisticated.
	It's actually...
	A download from a group of alien races called the Guardian Races that are supposedly involved in as our creators in the sense of we are a hybrid race as you may know and contributing the DNA from many races starting out with 12 different races actually.
	And this humanoid form is a standard form throughout the universes.
	There are many humanoid races.
	They're not all what we call human But that's again, human is man of many colors, as you may know, being a scholar, you know, human.
	So what we're really talking about, meaning man of many races.
	Fact.
	And this is indicating we're a hybrid race.
	So this is a very interesting kind of trajectory.
	And then we had many wars with these various ET races, and we still do.
	And we have an ongoing war on Earth.
	And I imagine that you subscribe to that notion to some degree.
	Do you want to reply to any of that that I've just brought up?
	No, I agree with you 100% on all that.
	I'm not...
	I'm familiar with Miss Dean's work.
	Probably one of my greatest weaknesses, if you will, is I spend so much time with my head down studying and creating material and creating content that I don't get a lot of chance to look at other people's work.
	And I'm trying to rectify that a little bit.
	But I think everything that you said is a good summation of where we are.
	I mean, even if you believe that Jesus was real and everything he said was true, Jesus himself said, Am not of this world.
	And if the Elohim came here and created this world, then they had to come from somewhere else.
	So, in essence, the gods that created us definitely were what we would call extraterrestrial.
	So that means that we are, by definition, the sons and daughters of extraterrestrials.
	And, you know, baby ducks are ducks, and baby horses are horses, and baby chickens are chickens, and baby extraterrestrials are extraterrestrials.
	So I don't really think that From a logical or a textual position, then you can argue those facts.
	Okay.
	So, now, in terms of Paul and being this sort of, you know, I know that there are actually, antichrist is a word that's bandied about, but actually there are considered to be many antichrists, not just one.
	So, there's a big problem out there where people want to label one person as the antichrist.
	And in a sense, it's interesting.
	I hadn't actually heard the theory there were 50 Jesuses, but certainly we know, well, at least regarding...
	50 is probably conservative, Carrie.
	There's probably more.
	Sure, but, you know, in other words, what we're really looking at, at this time, is Christ consciousness.
	And so when people are talking about the return...
	And I have no idea how you stand on this matter.
	But what it really is, is that we are becoming, in essence, Jesus.
	And we are all sons and daughters of God, in essence.
	And I always wonder why people kind of miss that point.
	People that are sort of Christians and so on.
	So...
	Well, yeah, I agree with you 100%, Carrie.
	The only thing I would take exception with is your verbiage.
	And that's just because I'm such a...
	So into the Greek and so into the Hebrew.
	And again, we've been hammered for 2,000 years with this word Christ.
	And it's a terrible, horrible translation.
	It's just not right.
	And again, it should be the anointing, but I won't mention that again.
	And we are, you're right, each one of us are an embodiment of the anointing.
	We're an embodiment of the flow.
	We're divine.
	We're sovereign.
	We're free.
	That's why, you know, these scriptures say you are gods, because we really are.
	We are sons and daughters.
	We're sparks.
	of divinity.
	And some people don't like that.
	Some people can't handle the responsibility.
	Some people would rather be spoon-fed and told where to go, what to go, and what to believe, and who to believe in.
	And those people will always find someone to give them what to believe.
	But for those of us that know in our heart that we're divine, we're sovereign, we're free, those of us that know in our heart that we won't bow the knee, that we will be free, and that we will help free other people, there's a place for us too.
	And I want to make sure That that voice, along with you and others, is never going to die out.
	And I think that we're definitely going to do it.
	Like Lee says in the chat room, religion is a prison of belief.
	And in the middle of every belief, Carrie, there's a lie.
	Look at the word and you'll know what I mean.
	And belief is the enemy of knowing.
	Okay, fair enough.
	And as far as the term, it might interest you to know that Christ is actually a derivative of what's called the Christ.
	Spelled K-R-Y-S-T, I believe.
	And Ashina Dean talks about that in her book.
	But what it is, is the Christ is, in essence, what we know of as what one would think of as Christ consciousness.
	So it's an interesting way of dealing with that issue.
	Right, right.
	That's interesting, because that's coming from a non- I think?
	Right, and I understand exactly what Ms.
	Dean and you are saying.
	Thank you for that explanation.
	That makes perfect sense.
	Okay, so now in terms of the sort of history of humanity, have you looked into other works other than the Bible?
	Because the Bible story is, whereas it has some value, certainly revealing, for example, the reptilian side of things to some degree, and the If you read it correctly, the Anunnaki involvement and the way they behave, which is not at all Christ-like for lack of a better sort of designation.
	In other words, they're vindictive, etc.
	And you know, the original, I guess, the original Hebrew Bible and God is very vindictive, if you recall.
	Yeah, I mean, Terry, he says, I'm a jealous God.
	I'm a wrathful God.
	I'm an angry God.
	He's been killing people from the beginning.
	It sounds exactly like a reptilian.
	And oh, by the way, I can prove you from the Bible itself that this God of the Bible is reptilian.
	But that's not what we're here for today.
	Well, that's actually useful because, in essence, I would say something very similar.
	The Anunnaki were invaded by the reptilians.
	They started out as a humanoid race.
	And they actually are related to the Pleiadians, believe it or not, but they were invaded by the Draco, which the Draco are the top rung.
	You get the Draco, then you get the reptilians, and then you get the snake beings, and then you get the greys that abduct people, etc., and various other grey derivative races, etc.
	So you're starting at the Draco, and they invaded the Anunnaki, and basically the Anunnaki became...
	A hybrid race of reptilian, you know, slash humanoid, so to speak.
	So when you're saying the God is reptilian, you're referring to that, I believe.
	And so what we talk about in the Bible is that there's this vindictive God who is, first of all, this is one thing I think about, which is most people don't understand that the word God or creator or all that is or the force or, you know, there's so many different names you could call it, right?
	But in essence, if you were God, and I mean the God, in essence, of all things, then in essence jealousy would be an absurdity.
	It's like an oxymoron.
	The two can't.
	I don't even want a girlfriend that's jealous, Carrie, much less a god.
	And so for a god to be jealous of humanity, this actually gets to the root of our relationship with the Anunnaki, that they tried to come in and re-engineer our genome.
	We were already, we were not created by them, by the way, we were already here, and some of us came from many other planets, as a matter of fact, again, a hybrid race.
	I'm so happy to hear you say that we're not created by them.
	I agree with you 100%.
	And so they became jealous of us, and they tried to interfere with our genome.
	They also, in a sense, fell enamored with our women, as it says in the Bible, etc.
	And so then you get the Nephilim.
	And there's also the issue of the giants, which are very real and all over the planet.
	So we find, I don't know if you know the work of Hugh Newman and Jim Vieira, but they've gone all over the planet looking for skeletons of giants, and they've found evidence in every, really in all the continents, and a huge amount, by the way, in North America.
	So this is very, very fascinating, and the giants apparently We're like, we're talking, whereas the Anunnaki are 9 to 12 feet tall, we're talking the giants were like 24 feet tall.
	This is my knowledge of that.
	And I can say that they became a problem with the David and Goliath story.
	When David fought Goliath, that was symbolic of a war between the giants, and in essence the humans and the Anunnaki.
	So So you would think that wasn't a literal story of one guy, David, versus one guy called Goliath?
	No, but within the story is many stories, of course, if you're talking about a war.
	Do you think it was an Anunnaki that he fought, or would he have been one of these giants?
	He was fighting the giants, because the giants began to eat humans.
	This is what is in, at least in the literature.
	Now, whether that was also false, you know, going back to those times, what comes down, just like in this time, we get told a lot of lies.
	All I'm saying is that in the literature, according to the literature, the giants started to eat the humans.
	So this is where the war erupted.
	Now, it is fascinating what's happening on planet Earth right now, obviously.
	So how do you view the Vatican?
	In general?
	Yeah.
	For example, are you aware that the Vatican is run by the reptilians, for example?
	I would call that, yes, definitely, the Vatican is the earth headquarters of the fear and guilt control matrix of Abrahamic religion, which is reptilian and its origins.
	So, in essence, what we're talking about is an organization that is a control mechanism to control humanity.
	And it's very interesting, if you think about it, that, see, reptilians are hierarchical.
	That's their nature.
	And there is some thought, it's not been proven, but there is some thought that actually the reptilians are run by by AI at way back in their history that they are actually not necessarily wouldn't be as bloodthirsty and as hierarchical except that they have been taken over by an AI and so they could be deprogrammed this is it just gives hope it's a possibility i'm not saying it's true i'm saying this
	is an avenue that one can go down to think about this but it because we're going to have we do have two main enemies obviously The Draco and that lineage that relates to what we call reptilians and as our major enemies here as humans.
	And the other is AI. And the side of AI that may be diabolical and not have our best interests in mind.
	So these...
	And those two working together at some level seems to make sense to me.
	Yeah, it's a really radical thought and I don't see it around much, but I... Something triggered me to think along those lines, and so far some of it seems to be checking out.
	And you know, Carrie, when you talk about reptilians can be deprogrammed potentially, I've always had this weird thought in my mind, and I don't know where it comes from, but maybe you're helping me wrap my head around it, that even though most of the reptilians that we know of, we tend to think of them as being malevolent or against us,
	I've just got the sneaky feeling that there might be possibly could be some that are benevolent or maybe that's my mind thinking of unknowing to my conscious mind that they could be deprogrammed.
	And you would think that if a being could get deprogrammed and realize that it was programmed, they might want to join us in a fight against the programmers.
	I'm just speculating, but that is certainly interesting in my mind, at least.
	Right.
	Well, at least according to my witness, Mark Richards, Captain Mark Richards, that I've interviewed now, I think, 11 times.
	At any rate, he is in prison for a murder he did not commit, but he was framed.
	And he is the enemy, of course, of the Draco who are trying to run this planet.
	And so they keep him in prison because they don't want him to really be approved and talk.
	He talks to me.
	I'm the only journalist that interviews him.
	And that, they think, makes him, since he's in prison, discredited, discredits his testimony.
	But if you see through the frame-up and the people and the beings behind it, then you can start to put the picture together.
	But nonetheless, he talks about Yes, there are even Draco that have defected from the party line.
	So reptilians, Dracos, and there are greys that have come on to side with the humans as well as we know that there are mantid beings who used to eat us.
	We know there are raptors that used to eat us and they have also decided to side and align themselves with human because they're interested in an ascension trajectory.
	That they don't have access to otherwise.
	So these are races that are starting to change their ways.
	So I think there is hope.
	And I think as we also go through the dimensions, we're rising out of 3D and going into 4D. So we're really talking about...
	Not only are some of the races trying to piggyback on with us and change their ways, but on top of it, we are rising.
	We are ascending as we begin to take a departure from some of this very materialistic way of behaving within this reality, this time-space continuum.
	So it's very interesting to look at other races trying to change their ways, and I think you're right that there are positive-oriented races.
	Reptilians.
	And, you know, so it's going to be important going forward into the future as disclosure happens to realize that not every being is on the program, right, of their race.
	So just like humans, and as above, so below, I'm sure you've heard that saying.
	You know, you're talking about beings that are not...
	They're not standing still.
	It's interesting to me that people always think other races, that we're evolving or re-evolving back to source, but other races are standing still.
	I think that's absurd.
	It is.
	Just throwing that out.
	Now, I want to ask you about this article I sent you.
	It has to do with a statue of Moloch going in front of the Colosseum and the fact that At least in the article, they traced it back and found the Vatican had to be the ones to approve such a thing.
	Any thoughts on that?
	Well, to me, it actually makes perfect sense when you think about it.
	And as a scholar, I know, and there's a lot of speculation, both textual and anthropologic speculation, that it's very, very, very hard, Carrie, when you get back into the original text, Hebrew and you get back in the Old Testament and start going through the history and start going through the genealogy of these gods and these names.
	It's very, very hard to separate Moloch and Yahweh.
	There's a lot of thought and a lot of scholars that believe that those names are really interchangeable, that Yahweh was Moloch, Moloch was Yahweh, and they at least have been interchanged together.
	at some points in history so it makes perfect sense to me that the Vatican which pretty much is you could say the seat of Yahweh or the seat of Moloch would want to put a big statue of Moloch out there and how much of a shock is it to us really that they put this statue that represents child sacrifice and child torture when really we know that what goes on behind the walls of the Vatican is completely and consistently in line With child sacrifice.
	And let me just say this, and it might get me thrown off the air, but we have this idea that's been put forth that there's one or two bad priests, or there's a few bad pastors.
	No sir, folks.
	Child abuse, child sacrifice is part and parcel of Roman Catholicism and Roman Protestantism.
	It's been there from the beginning.
	It'll be there till the end.
	That's why they won't deal with it.
	So it doesn't surprise me at all that It's placed there in front of the Colosseum.
	And interestingly enough, the Colosseum, the construction started in AD 70.
	And it was finished in the 80s by Titus.
	And anyone that's a student of history knows that Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70.
	It was destroyed by Titus.
	And the people that were being killed in that Colosseum, they weren't Catholics.
	They were the people that the Catholics, the New Church of Rome, the Christian...
	Church, quote-unquote, was going out and killing people.
	It was the people that would not bow the knee to Caesar, the people that would not bow the knee to this new religion.
	And by 66, Paul himself was in Rome, and he probably sat in the Colosseum and watched people that he was opposing being eaten by lions and burned on crosses.
	So it makes perfect sense to me, Carrie.
	Right.
	And actually, a quick search on the internet will show you that Yahweh, Malak, and also Baal, you know that name, Have been used for the same being.
	And I would include Jehovah on that.
	Because what we're talking about, again, is a vindictive God.
	And again, sacrifice.
	Anything that requires a blood sacrifice is a reptilian in nature, obviously, because in essence, they drink blood, they eat organs, and so on.
	Can I interject one thing, Gary?
	Yes.
	When we're talking about what you just said, think about what modern day Christianity is.
	When you become a Christian, in the Protestant part that I was involved in, you walk down to an altar.
	Sacrifices happen at altars.
	You kneel in front of a cross.
	Some of them have a dead guy on them.
	Some of them just have a cross, but it's an implement of torture.
	You ask yourself to be covered in the blood of a human sacrifice.
	You give your soul a And then you ask an entity, sometimes two if you count the Father, to come into your life and possess you, and then you celebrate this monthly or quarterly or yearly, depending upon your church, by eating flesh and drinking blood.
	Anywhere else we would recognize that as the satanic horrific Exercise that it is, but because it happens in a place we call church, all of a sudden it gets sanctified as holy.
	Absolutely.
	So, now, in terms of a political move, I don't know how long this statue has been in front of the Colosseum.
	They've raised this sort of alarm about it, so I'm thinking this is a relatively recent move.
	I did visit the Colosseum.
	I don't recall seeing that being...
	It wasn't there when I was there in the early 80s.
	I think I would have really noticed it.
	So it is interesting to me because in light of what's going on on planet Earth right now, and we do have a very large move to...
	Do what I call have the gloves that gloves are off that they that the Satanists that the reptilian sort of side of things and Satanists all being one all being into this child sacrifice or sacrifice of humanity on certain levels and so on in other words all of it is coming to the fore and all of it is much more in your face so The fact that they would actually put a statue at this time in front of a place
	that was known for sacrificing Christians and others is incredible.
	And now we have this big thing about Jeffrey Epstein, but the trouble is that people aren't recognizing that the center of all of this is, again, But Carrie, I think the Vatican putting that statue in front of the Colosseum is...
	It's their disclosure, and it's a smear in our face.
	They're laughing while they do it.
	We've been sacrificing children.
	We've been killing people since the beginning.
	We're doing it right in front of your faces, and you're too stupid to even notice.
	It's a slap in our face, and it's time for us to wake up.
	It's their disclosure.
	It's their saying, we told you that we did it, and you didn't stop us.
	Yes, and this is what I call the gloves are off.
	And now, it's just interesting.
	In one summer, I was...
	In Paris, and I was going to the museums, and one of their main museums, the Musée d'Orsay, had a big exhibit, the main new big exhibit, and it was all about reptilians, basically, well, not reptilians per se, but blood drinking, you know, Dracula, and all of this kind of thing.
	Vampires.
	And vampires, yes.
	And so this was their big display of paintings.
	It was like right in your face.
	And it was just an unbelievable, horrific sort of depiction.
	So now we have people that are hopefully, through the Trump administration, going after some of these pedophiles.
	But it does worry me when the focus is on one man, who may or may not have been killed...
	And, you know, most people sort of, I don't know what most people think, but I know that what some of the media, the alternative, thinks that he's still alive.
	One faction is telling me he's giving, you know, turning states' evidence to the Trump administration.
	That's my assertion, Carrie, personally.
	I think he's alive and he's singing.
	He's the biggest songbird since John McCain.
	Yeah.
	John McCain.
	Okay.
	Well, John McCain was...
	I don't know that he became a songbird.
	I think they killed him because he wasn't a songbird, as you say.
	Well, he was in Vietnam.
	That was a little McCain joke.
	So, yeah, and I know he's notorious for some of the things that went on there.
	But at any rate, this is what we've got going on.
	And I just don't want people to focus only on Epstein because this sort of thing, this is so rampant.
	And if you think about the Vatican being behind it, Which they are, as you say, putting it in your face.
	So take it or leave it.
	If you don't want to believe it, fine.
	But hello, you know.
	It's just incredible.
	It really is.
	And, you know, for a long time, Carrie, we had an excuse.
	Because, you know, this started 2,000 years ago, let's say.
	And for, you know, 1,500 of those years, most of us couldn't read.
	Most of us couldn't write.
	We did what we were told.
	We respected authority.
	But then the printing press came along and things started to change.
	We got to be able to read.
	We got access to some of the ancient scriptures.
	Literacy exploded, so there was less of an excuse.
	And now, since the explosion of the internet, Kerry, ignorance really is no more an excuse.
	We can get on the internet and we can have all the information right at our fingertips And there's no excuse for us not to know what's going on.
	There's no excuse for us not to know what's being done to us.
	The only excuse is laziness.
	And that's why they try to keep us so distracted and so divided.
	And I'm so glad for people like you.
	Project Camelot has been doing it for many years.
	And I say that you're one of the pioneers in this genre.
	You've forgotten more about doing this than I know.
	And it's people like me that are trying to follow in your footsteps and get this information out and encourage people to not just watch YouTube, not just read books, but actually do investigation on your own.
	Watching YouTube is not research.
	Watching YouTube inspires you to do research and do what Kerry says.
	Listen to the videos.
	I hope you'll go over to Christian Whistleblower and subscribe there.
	Watch our videos and let them motivate you to start Being your own guru, guiding your own spirit, mastering your own ascension.
	Absolutely.
	Well said.
	Well, thank you very much for the compliments.
	Obviously, you know, you're a light out there, and it's great to know about you, and I'm very happy that we got connected.
	Me too.
	Now, in terms of you've written these books, you were, I guess, a practicing minister is what you called it for, I don't know, I can't remember the actual number of years, but whatever.
	Can you explain what was going through your head during that time?
	Were you on the page you're on now or has your understanding sort of morphed since that time?
	It's really morphed.
	Again, I was a Pentecostal evangelist.
	We're the guys that, you know, touch on the head and you get healed or you fall down.
	We cast out the demons.
	We heal people.
	We take good offerings.
	That's what you have to do.
	If you're an evangelist, you've got to be able to heal people.
	You've got to be able to get people saved.
	You've got to get people speaking in tongues.
	And you've got to be able to take one hell of an offering.
	So that's what I did.
	And I was so immersed in it.
	The last year I was in it, there's 52 weeks in a year.
	And I was working for 45 of those weeks preaching somewhere.
	So very, very sold out.
	But then I started realizing that it didn't add up anymore.
	I started realizing that Paul...
	Who's supposed to be the greatest apostle, and he wrote two-thirds of the New Testament, said that women should shut up in church.
	Women should not have a voice to speak out in authority.
	And that women are such despicable creatures that they don't have a man controlling them.
	They'll be having sex with all kinds of demons and angels.
	That's in the Bible.
	And I knew good women in my life.
	I had two daughters by that time.
	And I realized there's something very, very wrong with this.
	And as I began to look into Paul's teachings, I saw more and more that Paul taught one thing, and the message of Jesus the Christ, the anointing, taught another thing.
	And I got to a place where I had to make a decision.
	Either I'm going to believe in and continue to preach the religion of Paul, which is what Christianity really is, whether it's Roman Protestantism or Roman Catholicism.
	You're teaching the religion of Paul.
	Or am I going to teach, preach, and live the religion of what I then would call the Christ, now called the message of the anointing, Am I going to be part of a fear and guilt control matrix and try to get people so scared of a place called hell that they'll do what I say to get saved and then do what I say, pay what I say, go where I say go?
	Or do I want to get people to the place where they realize they're divine, they're sovereign, and they're free?
	They love themselves, they realize that they're divine, sovereign, and free, and then they can love their neighbor Because they can realize their neighbor is also divine, sovereign, and free.
	And there's something that says about peace that passes all understanding in the Bible.
	You have peace that passes all understanding when you can love yourself and love your neighbor and don't have to understand what your neighbor is doing.
	You have peace by just making sure that you're being a good person.
	You have peace by letting your neighbor work out their own salvation and not worry about what they're doing.
	Your peace passes understanding what they're doing.
	You don't have to understand who they are, what they are, where they are.
	And that allows you to live a life that is abundant and even more abundant.
	And I started realizing these things and I realized I had to make a decision.
	But it was hard for me.
	And I was a coward and it took me six years to make a decision.
	It should have took me six minutes.
	But the church was paying my wage and I was making six figures.
	The church was buying my car.
	The church was clothing my kids.
	The church was putting food on the table of my kids.
	The church was paying for all of my travel.
	And I got a Bible college degree.
	Not much you can do with that.
	And I finally summoned up the testicular fortitude to live my convictions and walk out of the church.
	And my wife at the time left me.
	And I found myself selling lawn care and timeshare and other things.
	But I could look at myself in the mirror and realize that I had done the right thing.
	And as I began to study more and more, I began to realize that, hey, not only is it Bad doctrine.
	It's dangerous doctrine.
	Not only is it dangerous, it is doctrine that ensnares and encaptures and enslaves, and most people don't even know it.
	So my life today is dedicated to letting people know both sides of the story, like Paul Harvey used to say, the rest of the story, and then you can decide what to do with it from there.
	But that's kind of it in a nutshell, and I know that my message isn't popular.
	I know there's probably a ceiling on what I can do as far as I know I'm divine, I'm sovereign, I'm free, and as long as I've got breath, I'm going to keep saying what I feel like I'm supposed to say.
	Absolutely.
	Well, very good to hear.
	Now, when you were doing this sort of preaching, whatever you want to call it, so in essence you were preaching the very thing that you now see through.
	And that's a very difficult transition to make.
	There's no doubt about it.
	it, I actually knew another person like you who was extremely successful.
	So you've also mentioned that you're a healer.
	Is that correct?
	Yes, it is.
	I hate to take on a mantle of a healer, but for the last 40 years, I have been able to get people to a place where I don't know if I heal them or they heal themselves or they get healed by An outside divinity, but you know, yes, I don't, I'm not comfortable with the term, but yes, you're right.
	So, uh, really for, for lack of a better, another term really to designate.
	I mean, many of us are healers.
	Uh, if, uh, you can be a natural healer, for example, and, uh, obviously you incorporated that into your work in, in the early days.
	So at this time, what are you doing that might be incorporating some of what you used to do?
	Because I don't know that much about what you do.
	I know you've written a couple books.
	You are a broadcaster.
	What's your avenue for sort of creating change and trying to raise awareness right now?
	My whole avenue, you know, I have a little mantra and it is a slick little slogan, but it's actually what drives me.
	It's the whole idea of unindoctrinating yourself.
	And it used to be for the last almost 40 years, unindoctrinate yourself religiously, unindoctrinate yourself spiritually.
	Make sure that what you believe is You believe, and it's not just some hand-me-down religion.
	You're not a baby bird in the nest with your beak open and the mother bird comes and pukes the beliefs down into your mouth.
	You're not like a mannequin where they punch a fuddle on the top of your head and pour in the beliefs.
	Unindoctrinate yourself religiously so you know what you know and you know why you know it.
	But unindoctrination, to me, this is new.
	It's not just spiritual.
	You unindoctrinate yourself spiritually But you also unindoctrinate yourself culturally.
	You unindoctrinate yourself politically.
	You unindoctrinate yourself socially.
	And that's why, you know, your work and the work of, like some of the people I've talked to through you, Paladin, helping people to unindoctrinate themselves, and the political spectrum.
	I'm going to be talking to Deborah Tavares, helping us to unindoctrinate ourselves in yet another spectrum.
	Unindoctrination goes far, far beyond Just religion.
	It's even in your physicality.
	In the last year, I've lost 65 pounds, gotten in a lot better shape, and it's helped me tremendously in my spirituality.
	Thanks to Jay Campbell for his help on that.
	So unindoctrination now carries my mantra, not just unindoctrination spiritually, yes that, but also unindoctrination physically.
	Socially, culturally, politically.
	It really is a full-time job, and unindoctrination is probably more of a journey than a destination.
	I would say that's true.
	Now, in terms of the entire, I don't know, state of affairs, let's say, on the planet and with regard to the United States, do you have any thoughts about where things are headed?
	You know, Carrie, most people will tell you And certainly if you turn on YouTube and look at all these gurus, most of them will tell you that things are bad and they're getting worse.
	And most of them will tell you that because they believe in the end-time biblical scenario, which I can prove was invented by the Jesuits as a means to take the heat off the Catholic Church as being the seed of reptilian religion.
	So they think things are bad and getting worse, and they're manifesting this world of things are bad and getting worse, and there's millions of people manifesting this.
	When in reality, Carrie, I think that things are good and are getting better, and especially as we recognize we're divine, we're sovereign, we're free, and as we begin to counter-manifest, if you will, All these manifestations of woe, all these manifestations of doom, all these manifestations of gloom, as we start manifesting positivity, optimism, health, and healing, it makes a big difference.
	And I hate to bring it to such a political analogy, but this is kind of the best analogy I can think of.
	We're in an election year, and if you tune in to the Democratic debates, what do you hear?
	Doom, gloom, horror, bad, crash, it's horrible.
	Tune into one of these rallies that President Trump has, and what do you hear?
	Optimism, hope, positivity, joy, togetherness.
	We can make it.
	Things can be better.
	And that's just politics, but if we can take that into spirituality, we believe, all of us probably in this chat room believe we can manifest our own reality.
	If you believe that, why are you manifesting doom and gloom?
	Why are you thinking doom and gloom, watching doom and gloom, talking doom and gloom?
	When you know that you can manifest peace, prosperity, health, happiness, optimism, and positivity, I challenge you to live up to what your mouth speaks.
	Let your actions be consistent with your mouth, and let's start counter-manifesting things are good and getting better.
	Sorry for a long answer to a short question.
	Okay, well, it's great to see that you think things are getting better.
	And I do think there is a lot of tumult, a lot of misunderstanding right now, but a lot of truth coming out at the same time.
	So these are very good things.
	And I do think humanity is waking up and there couldn't be anything better than that.
	So I have to agree with you on that.
	I also think that there are some major efforts right now to take people...
	Sort of back down a dark road because we have, I think, moved so completely in the direction of the light that people are waking up and that we're becoming a force to be reckoned with.
	And consequently, we are getting things like crackdowns from YouTube in a big way.
	And apparently they've got more sort of, I don't know, things coming down the pike in December, I'm being told.
	And now there's a new question they ask you when you make a video.
	Is it suitable for children?
	And I think this is a fascinating issue.
	What a child can and can't see.
	And I have to say that, in other words, is this discussion we're having here something children shouldn't hear?
	And who's to decide that?
	Who's an arbiter of what children, and what we call children, keep in mind they are souls.
	These are souls, and many of them are extremely advanced, and especially a lot of them that are incarnating now.
	So who does YouTube think they are?
	That they can determine what's right for children to see.
	And they may be asking us, but I've got an idea that they're going to start banning videos that they...
	Like if you say, yes, it's good for children, and they decide it isn't because they are arbiters of taste as the advertisers.
	And yet children are fed video games of nothing but blood, guts, violence, etc., etc.
	And that's perfectly okay as we know fairy tales...
	Are full of sort of violence and fear-mongering, etc., going back centuries.
	You know, my broadcast partner, Rocky Stucci, Carrie, has just uncovered some information of where in elementary schools, they're actually teaching children The how-tos of anal sex.
	And they're worried about what we're talking about on YouTube?
	Exactly.
	So this is what I'm saying is coming along.
	But all of it is a lot of it's aimed at our children.
	And that, I think, is a hidden issue, really going back to the pedophilia, going back to the sacrifice of children and the idea that that's the future of humanity, right, is the youth.
	So that's kind of obvious, right?
	So this is where they're aiming to attack.
	I'm just saying that I've also raised the issue, which is, what do you do once you...
	And pedophilia is a network.
	It's a system of networks.
	These people do not almost ever operate completely on their own.
	They are part of a network.
	And it may go into the dark web and pornography, etc., etc.
	But what I'm saying here is that it's also been there's certain protocols instilled in the Illuminati, the way they raise their children, for example, through certain means of threats and torture, etc.
	So this is this this is a big question.
	And how are you going to you can't throw all the pedophiles on Earth?
	You know, if we really count, we're able to count such a thing.
	Can't throw them all in jail.
	So what is the answer?
	And again, this gets back to our discussion of having to reeducate them and to change them in a certain way, because jail is not going to be your answer.
	You know, probably more crime happens in prisons than outside of it, from what I understand.
	Carrie, would it be too outrageous to suggest a reconsideration of perhaps, I'll just say, a capital punishment for pedophilia?
	Well, see, I don't think killing a soul is really an answer.
	I know it's a short-term answer.
	Right, it is a short-term answer.
	That's what war is all about.
	That's supposed to be a short-term...
	In other words, you have an enemy.
	And this is part of the trajectory of humanity, looking at what is the nature of war, why do we have war, and what's the use of it.
	And we know it's a big business, okay?
	It's a huge business.
	It's not really about right or wrong.
	It's business, but it's also motivated by the various alien races, as I was starting out to talk about earlier, was that the early alien races were already battling each other for control over the Earth, over humanity, and over their own sovereignty in their own planets and being invaded themselves, etc., etc.
	It goes back, you understand, you're not going to solve it by just so-called killing the boots-on-the-ground individuals.
	There has to be a much wider, much larger awareness and understanding as to where the roots of this stuff comes from.
	And again, that has to do with the reptilian lineage.
	You're not going to be able to kill all the reptilians.
	In the multiverses.
	And one race could come here, you could have a battle and get rid of them for a while, but then another race will find you and invade you and we'll start over again.
	Part of this is the play of light and dark, needless to say.
	We come into this sector as an incarnation to experience the battle, the war of light and dark, and to make our choices along those lines.
	But these are all just questions, and I think that they need to be thrown out there.
	Someone like you has got a very open mind.
	You can certainly understand we're not going to be able to solve this just with guns, for example.
	And we're not going to be able to stop the alien invasion with just guns.
	So I wanted to ask you, how do you view abductions?
	And have you yourself been abducted?
	I have not been abducted.
	How do I view abductions?
	I've got a very different view on abductions.
	And, you know, I... Don't really share it a lot, but you asked me directly.
	I think that there are some legitimate, real abductions.
	I believe that there are.
	I also believe that a lot of what we call abductions, and believe is not the right word, I think I know this through research and personal experience, a lot of abductions are through what I call astral holographic technology.
	A lot of these beings that are...
	We're supposedly abducting.
	They can't come into our world on their own.
	It's a great energetic expenditure to do so.
	Some of them, for lack of a better explanation, tend to be allergic to our oxygen or our system or whatever.
	But there's a thing about humans that allows us to be able to leave our bodies.
	Our essence can leave our bodies, and the body does not die.
	You call it astral travel, whatever you call it.
	And there's a thing that a lot of these races have.
	Have perfected.
	That allows them to put us into a place where they can con us or trick us out of our bodies astrally.
	And we're actually going into their dimension where we think that they're coming into our dimension and abducting us when it's really not happening physically.
	It's happening only spiritually and astrally.
	And I call it astro-holographic technology.
	And the reason I believe that, I'll share the story.
	I was in the Central American jungles And we were some of the first white people ever down there.
	And I was preaching to this group and this witch doctor walked in, long story really short.
	He laid down, said, you guys are fakes in English, which he couldn't speak.
	And he said, I'll show you real power.
	He started floating up, Kerry.
	He got up to about six feet high.
	And I'd been wanting to yell at him, you know, rebuke him, we called it.
	My buddy says, no, no, wait.
	So he got up about six feet high.
	And I said, in the name of Jesus, I rebuke you.
	He fell down, knocked the wind out of himself.
	All the people in the tribe got, quote unquote, saved.
	And for many years I wrestled with that, trying to figure out, you know, why did it happen?
	And what was the thing about the name of Jesus when I know that that name in and of itself really isn't a magic word, but my intention, my power.
	But also, I think it was a big astral holograph that was being presented to me and all the people there.
	And it didn't really happen physically.
	It happened astrally.
	It happened spiritually.
	But we can't distinguish between.
	And I think a lot of abductions happen that way.
	And I think that should be good news that they can't just come and take us pell-mell like we think they can.
	And if we're a little bit more disciplined psychically, a little more disciplined spiritually, we can put off a lot of what we call abduction.
	But that's not to say there's not any real abductions, but maybe not as many as we think there are, in my opinion.
	Okay.
	Now, there are people that think along your lines.
	I have to say that, well, first of all, the trouble with that concept is that what it tries to do is only relate that explanation to one set or part of life.
	Yeah.
	drills down to a hologram.
	And I have connected all my chakras and had a major kundalini awakening and been in samadhi many, many times and seen the matrix melt in front of my eyes.
	So I have seen this thing we call reality, the soup that we're in, morph.
	And I have also been able to go interdimensional, see interdimensionally, and so on and so forth.
	And I know that various alien races, especially certain races, can go interdimensional.
	They can come here for a short time into what we call physical reality, But you have to basically define physical reality because in a sense, if you look at things like men that stare at goats, you'll see that in essence, what they're trying to do is what greys do, which is walk through walls.
	And what they try to do is they try to match the frequency of the wall in order to walk through it.
	And in essence, shamans have been able to do things of this nature and yogis and so on.
	Perform what some people call miracles, whether, you know, Christ walked on water or was doing something of this nature.
	But whatever it is, and people can say, well, mouse hypnosis.
	But basically, people are hypnotized all the time.
	Maybe it's a dehypnosis.
	Maybe it's what's really going on.
	In other words, you can go one way, but you don't want to go the other.
	This thing we call material reality is not material at all, and any physicist will tell you.
	These are what they call molecules, which may not even be such a thing, but at any rate, call it molecules, and they have space between them.
	And it's how big the space is to how...
	Quickly they supposedly move what the vibration and frequency rate is such that you can either match it or go beyond it or go slow.
	For example, a rock.
	A rock is going very slow.
	The molecules are slow, so it appears solid to us.
	I'm sure you must have heard this before.
	Oh, absolutely.
	There's certainly room within our community for more than one Believe, and I don't think for a second that you and I are 100% in agreement on everything, but I fully respect and understand everything, or I fully respect everything you say, and I'm here to learn and listen.
	I like to be the dumbest guy in the room.
	I want to be in a room with people smarter than me because I'm going to learn from osmosis like you shared when you were with me.
	And I'm also going to hear great ideas that challenge my ways of thinking and help expand my ways of thinking.
	So I don't have to be right.
	I love this discussion.
	I love this give and take.
	And even if we're not on totally the same page, On individual things, we're certainly I'm not looking for someone to agree with me either, but I am talking here on sort of, you might say, in defense of individuals who have been abducted.
	Now, we know there is such a thing called screen memory, and a lot of that is going on.
	There's also a very interesting case that involves the Air Force, and I'm not sure you're aware of it.
	I can't remember if we discussed him or not.
	Terry Loveless, who is...
	Yes, I've had him on my show before.
	So he had Air Force that were in attendance on the ship when he was abducted.
	So, you know, this is the kind of thing where he was in the Air Force, then he saw Air Force on the ship, in addition to aliens, in addition to these, you know, what are basically...
	I don't know what you want to call them, but human hybrid guppy type swimming in an aquarium.
	So they were making human hybrid type beings while he was there.
	And this happened to him in his 20s.
	He and his partner, another Air Force, and they were both healing medical professionals in the Air Force, by the way.
	And so what happens is...
	You're talking about the Air Force, and this is not the first time the Air Force has been implicated in some nefarious deeds, let's say, to do with programming.
	And certainly there are going to be abductions where the government is hand-in-hand with aliens, actually working with them.
	And I can tell you Richard Alan Miller, the physicist that I talked to, he admitted to working with an alien.
	And this is somebody who...
	He considers himself a master magician and is not going to be under an illusion that he was working with an alien.
	He really was working with an alien.
	And I know many people that have reported to me, of course, doing that.
	Obviously, a lot of whistleblowers.
	And Carrie, you encouraged me to do something that I am doing.
	I want you to know I did hear you.
	You said to think about and maybe go back and do maybe some self-regression and see if during the time I was in the Air Force that If there's anything there that's been repressed or blocked out that I don't remember, I'm actively doing that.
	I appreciate you giving me that inspiration.
	Well, I'm glad to hear that you're very interested in doing that because I am interested to hear what happens when you do that.
	So I hope that we can revisit this.
	Now, I don't know.
	I think we've been on for a while.
	I don't want to keep you longer than you're planning.
	Is there any topics that you'd like to discuss that we haven't touched on?
	I have all the time that you want to spend together if you want to bring up any other subjects.
	But I'm just very honored and privileged to be on your show.
	And some people say, oh, he's just blowing smoke.
	But no, I have great respect for this lady.
	She's been doing this a lot longer than I have.
	And she is a true pioneer of this movement.
	And these people deserve our respect.
	They deserve our appreciation.
	And it's my privilege to be here with you.
	And just so I've kind of kept an eye on the chat room a little bit.
	People say, "Oh, this guy's no Christian." I'm not a Christian.
	I'm a Christian whistleblower in the sense that Edward Snowden was an NSA whistleblower.
	He was in the NSA.
	He saw things that were wrong in the NSA.
	He left the NSA and he's telling people what the NSA was doing to them.
	I was a Christian.
	I saw things within Christianity that I think are nefarious.
	I left Christianity.
	I am not a Christian, and I'm here to try to blow the whistle on some of the things that happened within Christianity.
	So I am a Christian whistleblower.
	I'm not a Christian who's a whistleblower.
	I think that's great to define that so people understand.
	You know, in the early days of Camelot, when we said we were interviewing whistleblowers, no one knew what we were talking about, believe it or not.
	I mean, this is really true.
	true back in 2005, 2006, they asked us to define the term because the only whistleblower they ever knew about was one in a corporation.
	They didn't realize that we needed whistleblowers and we have whistleblowers that are blowing the whistle that worked for the military and for outside of corporations.
	In other words, in everyday reality, because in reality, we have the need for truth.
	And that's where the truth movement has really kind of germinated from.
	And so, yeah, absolutely.
	You're a whistleblower.
	A whistleblower is a vital sort of person for us to help us in our journey here on planet Earth.
	Because you are the guys that actually spend a certain amount of time on the dark side, as I call it.
	And you come out on the other side and you start telling us what you found.
	It's like a researcher who goes, you know, undercover.
	You know, you could think of that person as being someone going undercover, in some cases even consciously doing this.
	Carrie, are you familiar with the concept of what a soul farm is?
	Well, tell me what you think of it and I might have a different, you know, perspective on it, whatever it is, but go ahead.
	Well, when I think of what a soul farm is, I think of when people leave this incarnation, instead of going to another place where they have divinely, sovereignly, freely decided they want to go, they get herded by entities into these other places where they remain captive.
	And one of them might look like heaven, and you might think you're sitting on a cloud and playing a harp all day, but you're still in a confined space where somebody or something is still living off your energy.
	Some of them might look like hell because you think you deserve to go to hell and they're feeding off of your energy.
	But it's any confinement after this life that you are placed in where you have not divinely, sovereignly, freely chosen to go there.
	And there's a person that I have great respect for that I've spent a lot of time with and she was of the opinion and I think there's something to it that in a past incarnation I myself might have been involved in the running or administering of something like a soul farm,
	and that's one of the reasons why here today I'm so sold out 100% and so upfront and so borderline crazy about getting people divine, getting people sovereign, getting people free.
	I really was working for the dark side.
	I really was the bad guy, and I've seen it, and maybe I'm trying to make up for past Maybe I'm trying to make up for being a bad guy in the past or not.
	Or maybe that's just a story.
	But either way, it's very motivational to me.
	And really, being divine, sovereign, and free in this flesh is one thing.
	It's great.
	It's good.
	But we're all going to die, Kerry.
	One of these days, we're all going to die.
	And everybody says, look for the light.
	Don't look for the light.
	Go to the light.
	Don't go to the light.
	I think if we're just...
	And this is one of the reasons why I dunk into freezing cold water.
	Because you go under there and it's a sensory overload.
	But...
	I've got to the place where I can actually regulate myself in the midst of 33 degree water and have my mind conscious about me, all with the thought of, when I die and I leave this body, the tremendous rush that that is, I want to be able to retain my divinity, my sovereignty, and my freedom to go where I want to go and not be herded by I want to be able to make my own choice.
	Okay.
	Yeah, no, I totally hear you.
	And that's, you know, I can understand that description.
	There are many other terminologies for this.
	It's also basically called...
	Dante's Inferno, for example, all the levels that he was going through.
	And it's been described in...
	And also, when you go into the astral, there are levels and there are books of lots of people that describe their various journeys in the astral and coming across all those different types of things.
	And certainly, there are captured souls.
	We know this.
	And so, in essence, that's totally understandable that that's going on.
	And certainly, the higher your vibration, actually your frequency, the less chance you're going to be capturable.
	And Karen, could you imagine the low frequency of a divine being, something that calls itself a god, how low its frequency has to be If it demands and needs a blood sacrifice, how low frequency can that possibly be and how could something that needs that Really be gone.
	Well, that is most revealing.
	As I say, it's basically an oxymoron.
	A vindictive creature, a creature that feeds on other creatures, is on a very low level anyway.
	So, I mean, it's sort of a no-brainer.
	I do feel pity for people that Believe their God is vindictive.
	There was a guy that was posting on my Facebook.
	I guess it's just the news, not mine specifically.
	I don't even know how Facebook works, but it showed up.
	And the guy was talking about how important it was to fear God.
	And I was just thinking, God, that's the complete opposite of what you should do and that any God that requires your fear or even your worship does not qualify as a God.
	It's an oxymoron.
	I mean, Carrie, the Bible says the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
	And whatever it is, if fear is the beginning of it, I don't want any part of it.
	I want love and peace to be the beginning of my spiritual wisdom.
	So I don't need that fear God, that blood God.
	Absolutely.
	So this is the kind of thing that people are carrying around inside themselves that are looking at.
	You know, this kind of goes beyond just this level as well.
	Keep in mind that this thing called Global warming and the big climate change thing where they're blaming it on humanity.
	Keep in mind that they blame everything on humanity when in reality it's not humanity at all.
	They like to say that we're bloodthirsty, that we're vindictive, that we're this, that we're that.
	Actually that comes from our ET heritage.
	So it's those beings that have infiltrated our race.
	We are not by nature that, and anyone who has been in sort of an emergency situation with other humans will see how immediately we respond from a heart level.
	I've been in those situations and I can tell you, and I've also traveled the entire world, and I can say that without fail, even in cultures that people normally are afraid of or have had a lot of fear-mongering put out about them, these are loving cultures and one-on-one you can deal with anyone.
	So I have to say that all of this blaming humans, humans are bad.
	This goes back to this idea of original sin, goes back to the reptilians.
	They're blaming humans so that humans don't look above that point to where the real fault and cause lay.
	You understand?
	So this is a misdirect.
	When they looked at us, and you can see scientists are now coming forward and saying what a bunch of lies this idea is that humans and CO2 is causing global warming.
	This is complete nonsense.
	And it's unbelievable the lies that people will believe.
	But it's always, if you kind of dig under...
	What is being put out there?
	What you're being sold is you're being sold that you are bad, that you're a sinner, that you need to be told what to do, that you're not capable of deciding for yourself, that your government has to tell you, that someone outside of you is an authority who can tell you better than you how to heal yourself, etc., etc., etc.
	The entire triangle, the entire matrix is built on that notion.
	If they didn't convince you that you were less than The operation wouldn't work because you wouldn't stand for it.
	That's true.
	So...
	You know, Carrie, something you said there I think is very key.
	And, you know, folks like you and I, we've had...
	You know, there's a lot of talk in the chat room about how, you know, respectful discussion is great.
	People can disagree and still have a respect for each other and be kind and courteous.
	And a lot of that has to do with, I think, Carrie, the fact that you've had a chance to travel the world.
	I've been on five continents.
	And when you get out of America or you get out of your own state...
	You realize that there are different people out there that are just as smart as you, and believe it or not, some of them are even smarter.
	They have different ways of doing, they have different ways of thinking, and that's okay.
	You become much more accepted and much more able to understand how other people think.
	And I know it's hard and I know it costs money, but I would challenge everybody, wherever you live, try to do some traveling.
	If all you can do is travel out of your city, then travel out of your city.
	If all you can do is travel out of your state, Travel out of your state.
	But if you get a chance to go to other countries and experience other cultures, it will make you a better human being.
	And I would even suggest that perhaps we all perfect the art of going and traveling to other dimensions and realities.
	And I think that definitely will change our perspective.
	No doubt about it.
	Actually, I am going to close this down shortly, but I did want to take questions from the chat in case there's any burning questions in the chat.
	So put them in all caps.
	We do have quite an active chat room right now, so you're going to have to...
	Kind of do it quickly and as I say, if you can do it in all caps, I can decipher quickly between what's just chat and what is a question or whatever.
	And I just want to bring up a very interesting television series that I've been watching on Hulu.
	Which is called Siren.
	And it actually was made a couple years ago.
	I'm not sure they even continued it.
	I think it's a discontinued series.
	But nonetheless, it deals with what are called, we think of as mermaids, but they're actually these merpeople and they are real.
	And I've done some investigation on this and had some reports on this and how the Navy is actually battling in the South Pacific a group of beings that are, they look like, you know, what we think of as mermaids, but they're male and female, obviously, and they were attached to the original continent of Mu, and they are up in arms at what the Navy has been doing to their waters.
	That resonates with me a lot.
	There was a certain thing that happened where I had a Navy person contact me, a whistleblower, and then I also got back channel verification.
	Of this.
	And as it happened, Gordon Duff from Veterans Today, and Veterans Today is run by the CIA, but nonetheless, he is their editor and he posted my and credited me with this sort of disclosure about an operation that was going on with the Navy in the South Pacific.
	And then he was contacted less than 24 hours and told to take my name off the article.
	And so I think he kept the article, but he removed any reference to me, obviously.
	But the point I'm making here is that I recommend this series because what it does is these beings start to come onto the planet, onto the ground, the Earth.
	So they come out of the water and they are able to change into humanoid form when they come out of the water.
	But they can only stay in our on the earth for a certain period of time and they start to degenerate and they have to go back into the sea and they are reporting there's actually black projects where they're being studied which is real and so there's a certain amount of disclosure in this series and I have to say the interesting thing is the dynamic with the humans as to how they're trying to keep the secret of these other beings from the other humans around them
	And the fights that are going on, the battles.
	And these beings from this race have gotten used to killing humans, in part because the humans have made their life miserable in their undersea sort of areas.
	So it's a great sort of small look.
	At what's really happening here on Earth, but people don't know, which is that we're being invaded.
	And we're being invaded by various races and various AIs, as a matter of fact.
	And some of this is being released on Camelot.
	We are revealing the degree to which we're being invaded.
	Carrie, are some of those races from...
	Inside the Earth, under the waters, not all necessarily extraterrestrial.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I agree with you.
	I really feel that.
	And there are a huge number of alien bases, both undersea and, of course, underground, as well as we have our own.
	And some cases we're sharing a base with the certain ET races.
	But at any rate, so I just wanted to bring that up here at the end of the show.
	And now I'm going to look at the chat and see quickly if there's any burning questions.
	And I hope I haven't missed any.
	Someone wants to know if they're from Atlantis.
	Well, Atlantis was around, and Moo and Atlantis were both around around the same time.
	I believe Moo was original.
	One of the original settlements, but Atlantis and Mu were contemporaries, if you want to call it that.
	One in the Pacific and the other in the Atlantic, primarily.
	So, let me see if there's any questions.
	The series was called Siren.
	Someone's asking about the series.
	It's 2018, but it's actually, I just stumbled on Hulu.
	Let's see.
	I'll check it out.
	So, someone is saying if the alien experiences in the Matrix are holographic, well, you can't sometimes be holographic, I don't think, and sometimes not.
	I think, in essence, we are a hologram.
	But nonetheless, what the person is asking, whether, I guess, maybe they want your opinion on this, Jeff.
	So, do you want to relate to that?
	Yeah, I'm not really sure what they mean, but let me just ask you a question along those lines.
	Do you think that there's people on this earth right now that we would call, that have been victims of a walk-in spirit, or they're just kind of soulless, empty shells?
	Well, that's two different things, but yes, absolutely, unequivocally.
	I agree.
	Yeah, we have walk-ins.
	We have also what you might call clones or ones that aren't attached to a soul and they would be in a sense you might call them an empty vessel.
	But the more likely is there's an attachment of some kind or an inhabitant of some kind.
	Keeping in mind that this body that we occupy is our vessel, but we are not this body at Absolutely not.
	I agree.
	So I think it behooves us to keep an open mind, but there are plenty of alien races, and I can recommend individuals who have done investigations along these lines.
	One of those people is Timothy Good, who is a very excellent researcher who has written books and gone around investigating stories of various ETs and humanoids that are here,
	In fact, that reminds me, I'm doing a show Friday with Jaime Masson and Darcy Weir who've done a new documentary called Humanoids about some of the ETs that they've seen and some photos, I guess, are in the documentary of various beings.
	Many of them look like they're derivatives of grays, but they may be also just completely unrelated races.
	But they've been caught on film.
	And that's very common in Mexico and South America, by the way.
	Not so common in the United States.
	But Jaime Masson has been revealing this for a very long time.
	So that's on Friday.
	I'll be doing a show with them.
	So that just relates to the subject here.
	But in terms of the actual chat room, I don't see...
	Any other...
	I'm just going to look again, because, you know, I hate to miss the questions if somebody has a really burning question, but I don't...
	They don't...
	Okay, they seem to be...
	Okay, some people...
	I don't know.
	They're making comments.
	They're not asking questions.
	Ryan...
	Okay, well, someone wants me to go in more detail about the invading species.
	Listen, Bob Dean said that the Anunnaki are walking the halls of the Pentagon.
	How's that for a teaser?
	And basically, let me ask you, while I've still got you for the last few moments here, have you seen any aliens?
	Have you seen UFOs yourself?
	I saw only one UFO myself.
	I have actually seen and interacted with at least two beings that were not corporeal beings.
	They were there and gone in an instant.
	So, were they ETs?
	Were they angels?
	I don't exactly know what I would say, but I definitely have seen one UFO, an identified flying object.
	I saw it in the sky.
	I was looking at it.
	It came from just a pinprick of light down to maybe 100 feet.
	And stayed there for a while and then went back away.
	That's only UFO, UFO I've seen.
	And then again, I've seen at least two individuals that were not corporeal.
	Well, they were corporeal for a while, but they were not just regular people.
	They were in and gone.
	So that's the answer to that question.
	Okay.
	And have you ever had a life-death experience?
	I guess I have.
	I almost went over a 100-foot waterfall once and my canoe got hung up on a rock.
	I guess you would call that a near-death experience.
	But I didn't really...
	I was a kid.
	I didn't really sense any of the trauma there.
	But let me just...
	One last question for you, if I may.
	I was in...
	Before I was quote-unquote woke, I was in the Air Force.
	I was in Germany.
	And I was in the place in Bavaria where Adolf Hitler had his...
	Thank you.
	What do you think that was?
	That was just such a weird experience.
	It's hard to say.
	It could be a number of things.
	In other words, it could be something that they're doing on purpose to program or to mess with the brains of The Air Force that were involved in that area at the time and to see, you know, to do it like a test on you guys and experiment to see how you reacted.
	They may be trying to trigger a past life memory in you or others.
	You certainly look fairly Anglo-Saxon I don't know your heritage, but I'm just guessing.
	It's possible you, you know, you could, you yourself, I mean, I don't, did you talk to others and others heard it or?
	Well, I was with a gentleman whose name, by the way, is Herman Kuhn.
	So he's definitely German, K-U-H-N. The guy named Herman Kuhn and I were down there and we both heard it and we both looked at each other like, did you hear that?
	Yeah, I heard that.
	And we weren't, you know, we were still hardcore Christians then.
	So it was actually a Christian church.
	Retreat.
	It had anything to do with the Air Force, but I've always wondered, was it just residual energy?
	We saw SS officers in another part of that place, fully, you know, black uniform, red armband.
	So there's definitely a lot of something in that place in Berchesgaden, Germany.
	Okay, well, the other thing is you could have tripped into another time-space continuum at that point, both of you.
	And it could be that you both also had past lives.
	Let me say that I think we're all by nature time travelers.
	That's simply what we are and what this vehicle is and what our souls are.
	And so what happens to me is when I go to a place, especially foreign places, but it can happen to me anywhere in the United States or anywhere in the world, And I can absolutely, I do see the veil start to thin and I start getting images in my mind usually, not necessarily like right in front of me, but it becomes very powerful such that it's almost as if it's in front of me.
	And I will trip into the time.
	Isn't that something?
	I will go back in time, in essence, to possibly my prior life.
	Well, thank you for that explanation, Carrie.
	That gives me a good perspective on it that I didn't have before.
	Yeah, I mean, I can't say what your situation really was for you, because that's probably unique to you, and I can say what it could be.
	All right, so...
	I think that that's really interesting.
	And I think that what I would suggest, you say you have traveled the world, I would suggest you go to some of these other places and go to some place that really resonates with On what may be negative and may be positive.
	It could go either way.
	It happens to me, for example, all the time in England, and as I've had past lives in England, and I can go to somewhere and actually trip into a time.
	And the same with Egypt.
	It happens to me in Egypt.
	So if you have somewhere that resonates with you, it's easiest to have that happen there.
	I call it, it can be what you call bilocating.
	Okay?
	So it's very possible for us to bilocate.
	We're very capable of doing that.
	It's not unique.
	Everyone can do it.
	It's just most people aren't aware of it.
	Remote viewers are very aware that we can bilocate.
	It's sort of talked about in the discipline and so on.
	So...
	Amazing stuff, Carrie.
	Thanks so much.
	Well, it's really fun to talk to you, Jeff.
	And you're really a pleasure because you're so open-minded and willing to consider all things.
	And it looks like you've done your homework in a massive way.
	Well, I'm still in the midst of it.
	Fair enough.
	I think we all are.
	This is a journey of discovery, in essence.
	That's what being human is about, I believe.
	Absolutely.
	I hope we can get together again, Carrie.
	It's always an honor and a privilege.
	Thank you.
	So it's great to have you here, and let's do this again in the future.
	And thanks, everyone, for being there and watching and for the active chat room that's been going on.
	And all my thanks to your great subscribers and followers and all of us, all of those that were in the chat room, even the trolls.
	We love you all.
	Fair enough.
	Okay, take care, okay, and have a great night.
	Thank you.
	You too.
	Bye-bye.
	So at this point, uh, I see how I can do this.
	Um, I do want to thank everyone.
	Again, I'm going to have a show on, um, Friday again with Jaime Masson and Darcy Weir.
	So I want to encourage everyone to, to turn, tune in for that and, uh, And have a great weekend.
	And thanks again.
	Well, it's not the weekend yet, but have a great night and take care.
	Okay, bye-bye.

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