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July 23, 2019 - Project Camelot
01:43:25
PMH ATWATER : NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCES AND THE NEW CHILDREN
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Thank you.
Thank you.
We have a fascinating guest.
Her name is PMH Atwater and actually I didn't ask her how she might want me to Say her name because maybe she actually has a shorter version or maybe she likes to go by the initials.
We'll find out in just a minute.
So what I'll do here is bring her on the screen while I look at her bio and get that across to you.
So PMH, is that what you prefer to be called?
That's my name.
All right.
They're not initials, believe it or not.
That's my name.
Just a big P, a big M, a big H, PMH. Okay, there you go.
All right, so we've got the answer to that question.
Now, let me see if I can bring this bio here on the screen, and that might take me a minute.
But at any rate, she is an author of 18 books.
She has been an experiencer and interviewed experiencers of near-death experiences and, my gosh, 40 years of research and over 5,000 people she's interviewed.
Also is talking about how a near-death state at a young age profoundly affects developing psychic and intuitive abilities and wisdom beyond their years for children.
And a sense of being homesick for heaven, quote unquote.
And she's been on numerous shows, including Art Bell, Coast to Coast, as well as television shows.
She's actually world known and will just sort of launch into this now.
So, PMH, it's lovely to have you here.
Can you perhaps tell us about how you got into this very unusual field?
I died.
Okay.
That's short and sweet.
I died.
I died three times in three months in 1977, January 2, January 4, and March 29.
Each time I had a near-death experience, each one was different.
And later that fall, I had three major relapses.
I can honestly say 1977 wasn't really my year.
I had to relearn how to crawl, how to stand, how to tell the difference between left and right, how to walk, climb stairs, run, how to tell the difference between...
I mean, I had to relearn everything from scratch.
Literally everything.
I put myself back in beginning cooking.
I'd once been a, you know, won prize women's at the county, ribbons at the county fairs.
Put myself back in beginning cooking, back in beginning home economics.
I'd been an astrologer.
Put myself back in beginning astrology.
I used to teach meditation, put myself back in beginning meditation.
I took everything all over again from scratch.
Okay, now you not only had a near-death experience or you died, but you forgot everything when you died.
Is that right?
When you came back?
Oh, how do I put that into any kind of words?
It's like it didn't have any meaning.
It's like it was no longer relevant.
It's like I was introduced to other ways of seeing the essence of being that my old understanding no longer suited me or applied.
I can say to you That when I had my near-death experiences, I no longer needed an ego.
With the other training I had had for decades and decades, I started Idaho's first non-profit metaphysical corporation.
I've been dealing with people by the thousands.
For some reason in my lifetime, I've never done anything small.
So I was doing it big time.
Had three Kundalini breakthroughs.
I mean, you name it, I was doing it.
And when I died, all of that was meaningless.
My first near-death experience was more or less an out-of-body experience, but it had other parts to it.
And my second near-death experience, two days later, Was a major thrombosis in the right thigh vein, which dislodged, followed by the worst case of phlebitis specialists had ever seen, let alone heard of.
When he saw me, he looked over me, examined me, looked over me and said, there's no way you can be alive.
And so that was my introduction to life again after my second near-death experience.
And then in March 29, I died again.
And that was the most dramatic, at least for me.
And then, of course, later that fall, I had three major relapses.
Okay, now, you sort of are hinting at how you died, but how did you die?
It was a health problem?
Well, I was raped.
Sorry?
I was raped.
And from that, Miscarriage.
And the complications from the miscarriage is what caused it all.
And the complications just went on and on and on.
Okay, now what year was this?
1977.
That was in Boise, Idaho.
I was born in Twin Falls, Idaho.
I died in Boise, Idaho.
How old were you at that time?
I'm going to say 39, but I'm not sure.
Could have been 38, 39, right in there.
So your three death experiences happened all in one year.
Is that what you're saying?
The three death experiences happened within three months.
Okay.
So the first one was January 2, the second one was January 4, the third one was March 29.
And how did you survive?
Did you have some special medical assistance to help you survive?
Yes.
In a way, yes.
I I First of all, I went to MDs, you know, the usual MD trip, and After the third near-death experience, I realized that that kind of medicine wasn't working.
So I did something very daring for me at the time.
I went to my friend who practiced a very different type of medicine.
A natural type of medicine.
And I said to him, here I am, let's do it.
Rebuild me, remake me, do whatever you can do.
But, you know, the allopathic way isn't working.
So I got into homeopathy and iridology and, you know, on and on and on.
Went the natural route.
But But no one ever told me that when you go the natural route, it backs out of the body the way it came in.
So I actually got worse before I got better.
And there was a time when I wasn't sure if I made the right choice.
But eventually...
It turned out that I did indeed make the right choice.
But what was the biggest for me was my third near-death experience when a voice spoke to me.
And that voice, how do you define something that's bigger than big?
It's like the universe spoke to me.
And said...
And I quote...
My goodness.
Test revelation.
You...
are to be a researcher.
And it showed me what that meant and what I was to do.
It said I was to write three specific books.
The first was not named.
I do not know what that book was.
I'm guessing.
Maybe it was my first book, Coming Back to Life, which is still available, by the way, on Amazon.
My second book it named, and that book was Future Memory.
My third one was A Manual for Developing Humans.
Here's the manual.
A Manual for Developing Humans.
Show you what it looks like.
And here very quickly is Future Memory.
But I was to do the research, bear in mind.
Okay, now, prior to that, prior to you...
Transformation, you know, that was what I was supposed to research.
I began my research in 1978.
I'm one of the pioneers in the field of near-death research.
I just go around interviewing people.
So PMH, can you tell me, this voice, was it a voice that spoke to you?
Yes, it was a voice.
Okay, and did you have trouble understanding what you were supposed to do, or did you understand it right away?
Had you been a writer before this all happened?
I was a writer before this all happened.
Not in the sense of books, but I worked for the Idaho Department of Commerce and Development, so I did a lot of, you know, that kind of work.
Mostly newspapers, magazines.
In those days, newspapers and magazines were a big deal.
They're not now, but they were then.
Okay.
How long did you get to...
To tell you, I'm a cop's kid.
I was born in a police station.
I used police investigative techniques as my protocol.
And that's what I used.
I was shown what to do, but not how to do it.
So I just simply launched in the next year when I was reasonably human again and began my research.
And I haven't stopped.
It's been over 40 years.
Still doing it.
Still challenging the world, challenging people.
Okay, so...
Finding out what's true and what isn't.
But back when this happened to you, what had you been doing with your life when this all changed?
Well, at the time, I was working for the Idaho Department of Commerce and Development, and But I was on my way to becoming a bank manager.
That's what I finally chose to do.
Because I was very active in the field of new thought, in the field of spirituality and this kind of thing.
And I wanted something different.
I wanted to be a part of the earth world.
Really, I did.
You know, I'd done this spiritual thing, kind of any breakthroughs, all this kind of thing.
And I wanted to find out what life was like in the earth world.
So I decided to become a bank manager.
And I was taking classes from the American Institute of Banking when I was raped.
And that just changed everything.
And of course, these near-death experiences and that incredible voice.
That said, test, revelation, one book for each death.
And then it showed me what to do, but not how to do it.
So I launched.
Okay, now, when this happened to you, were you married?
No, I was divorced at the time.
So I was not one of those.
Okay, and did you have children?
I had three.
All right.
And...
How long did it take you to recover?
A year?
Basically a year to become reasonably human again.
That is to say, I could walk and talk and climb stairs and there was no more pain.
Yeah.
I was reasonably human again.
again.
So I was ready to go and I launched myself and I did it all by instinct, by following that instinct, by following that knowing.
And I'm not kidding here, Carrie.
Thank you.
Things just happened.
Doors opened.
Okay, let's go back to when you wrote the first book.
Did it write easily?
How long did it take you?
And then did you find a publisher easily?
Or was there a big process there?
No, it was not easy.
It was very difficult to be able to bring my mind together To where I can show my findings in a good logical way.
I took my book.
Kenneth Ring, one of our leading researchers in the field of near-death studies, gave me his agent in New York City.
I went up to New York City.
He said, here's my book.
Showed it to her.
And she threw away all but the table of contents.
Just dumped it into a wastebasket.
And I said, well, what are you doing?
Why did you save one page, the table of contents?
She said, because I want the New York scene to know what's coming.
When you find your voice, you will be able to write your book.
You can't write like Ken Ring.
You're not Ken Ring.
You've got to find your voice and write accordingly.
So going home, I was absolutely shocked.
Okay, how do I find my voice?
I don't know what my voice is.
I've never written a book before.
And how do you write a research book that isn't boring?
So I did it.
And what saved me was Shirley MacLaine.
Way back then, she was on the Johnny Carson show.
And she got up in front of the whole audience of Johnny Carson and talked about chakras and spirituality and mediumship and all this kind of thing.
And just blew a hole, if you will, in the mass mind of people everywhere.
They all thought she was silly or she was insane or she was going to take a rocket trip to Mars.
They all made fun of her terribly, but Johnny Carson's show just hit the highest marks that could be hit by people watching television.
And that convinced the New York publishers there is a market for this kind of woo-woo material.
And my book was on the desk of an editor at Dodd Media and Company.
And when the call came through, We're going to publish any kind of book like this we can find.
She had my book on her desk, and in a week and a half, yeah, so she got it, and the rest is history, so they say.
All right.
So, fascinating.
Now, you then went on to do a lot of research.
So, how did you conduct your research?
Did you travel to interview people?
I'm a field worker.
Fortunately for me, at that time in my life, I was working for what is called an interconnect company after the divestiture of Mom Bell.
That is to say, This particular communications company was sending me all over the...
Well, from the Mississippi River East, all over North South.
They were sending me just everywhere to help install...
New computerized searching systems and telephones in hotels and businesses and that kind of thing.
So I was running around all over.
Everywhere I went, I found near-death experiencers.
No kidding!
This one time I was working a job in Macon, Georgia.
And, you know, I got tired and wanted to take a break, so I went over to the truck stop, and I was sitting at a little table right in the middle, and I was reading, you know, a little book, and this guy comes up to me, no kidding, and he was Almost as wide as he was tall.
I mean, this was a big guy.
And he comes up to me and he says, Lady, is there anyone sitting next to you?
And, you know, it was an empty chair.
I said, No.
He said, May I sit there?
I thought for a minute and I said, Okay.
So he sat down.
Put his arms on the table, looked me in the eye and said, I want you to know I still chase women and I still drink alcohol.
But when I died, and he went on to explain his near-death experience and all the things that had happened to him, I never knew his name.
He never knew my name.
So he didn't know...
He did not know you were a researcher.
Okay, he did not know you were a researcher?
He did not know anything about me.
Oh, right.
He simply sat down, started telling his story.
That's the way it was for me for at least three decades.
It didn't matter if the guy was driving a taxi cab.
It didn't matter if I was working a job, like for instance in Minnesota, Minneapolis, Minnesota, I was working a construction job where they're just installing the new telephones and I was Working with the people and teaching them how to use the new computerized switching systems.
And no kidding, half the ceiling fell.
And there's this big, huge volley of water coming down.
People are beginning to panic.
And this one woman said, oh, this is just like when I died!
This is just like when I died!
And she started talking about her near-death experience at that moment when she died.
And several other people in the office started talking about their near-death experience.
And here we are in the middle of this construction.
When it seems like everything is breaking apart, and they're telling me about this.
And it was like that.
It didn't matter where I went.
It got to the point where I really felt like if I wore one of these A signs, you know, that...
You have the front of the sign, and then you have the back of the sign, and you're wearing the sign, and on the back of the sign and the front, it would say, please tell me about your near-death experience.
I would be happy to hear it.
I just felt like that sign was there.
That is really amazing.
It was just crazy, Carrie.
Okay, so let me ask you, were you seeing ghosts?
Did you go into an afterworld?
What about that side of story?
You want to know a little bit about my near-death experiences?
Well, in the sense of what you encountered...
And whether or not your own psychic perceptions, your own ability to communicate...
I used to be a ghosty hunter before I ever died.
A ghost hunter?
Yeah.
I used to do that before I died.
Meaning a ghost hunter in a positive way?
There was nothing I didn't do before I died.
Almost nothing.
So when I died, that ended all of that.
My first death was primarily an out-of-body trip.
I had other dimensions to it, but it was primarily an out-of-body trip.
Okay, where did you go?
My second near-death experience...
No, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Where did you go?
When you say you went out-of-body, where did you go?
I... I went twirling around the light bulb in my bathroom.
Okay.
Did you go anywhere else?
If you really want to know about my own three near-death experiences, I wrote a little book about it.
I died three times in 1977, the complete story.
Yes, it's on Amazon.
Yes, it won't cost you much money.
Okay, but for the purposes of this interview, people will want to know.
In other words, you have people coming up to you, you're telling me.
And without you telling them who you are or what you're researching, they give you information.
So what I want to know is, are you tapping into a being that is there helping you?
Were you aware of unseen help?
Were you aware of possibly being accompanied by some beings?
I was aware of doing what I was told to do.
This was my mission.
It did not matter to me how it happened.
This was my mission.
This is what I was supposed to do.
And if I had a feeling or a sense to go up and talk to someone, I'd simply went up and talk to them.
But most of the people, over 65% of the people in my research base, simply came to me.
There was no rhyme or reason for it.
They didn't know me.
I did not invite them.
They just simply came.
I can't explain to you how that happened.
It just happened.
It was spooky.
It was crazy.
But it happened.
Over 65% of my research base happened in that manner with both adults and children.
After that, I began to advertise.
I began to send out notices.
I began to send out letters.
In my various talks or television performances, I would ask people to get a hold of me.
I would give them my email address.
By then, I had a website and an email address.
So I then began to find them the more normal way.
In the beginning, it was not normal.
It was abnormal.
It was super normal.
It was crazy, but it worked.
And I took it very seriously.
I knew.
I was a researcher.
I knew my job.
And I did my job.
Just like that.
Period.
Okay.
Now, you said you had trouble writing your first book, but I assume you made it through and you wrote it.
Yeah, I finally did.
And then, as I told you, thanks to Shirley MacLaine, the book was purchased by Don Mead and Company and became...
A good seller.
Alright, so how about your second and, you know, all the way up to 18?
Now, do you write easily?
Do these books come along easily now?
Some do, some don't.
It depends on the subject of the times.
Let me say to you that after that first one, I never ever chose to write a single book.
Ever.
Not one.
The books all came to me.
They would come to me like in a flurry of sparkles.
The sparkles would simply fill the air and then they would fall on my desk and spell out things.
I learned long ago to not always go with whatever you're told or whatever the vision is or whatever you feel you need to do.
Always go into prayer first.
You get your inspiration, this idea of what you're told to do, then go into prayer.
Always go into prayer and double check.
Is this right for my highest good and the highest good of all concerned in divine order?
And if you get that feeling of just sparkles and power and energy, even sometimes hearing a yes or that upliftment, then you know it's right.
If you get a shrinking feeling or you want to back down or that feeling might be hard to do, then the answer is no.
So if I get a yes, then and then only would I pull out the outline and I would decide or go with how this could be done and I would begin writing it.
So, that's how all of my work has come to be.
Okay, well, that's very beautiful to hear.
Now, can I ask you, you've interviewed, it sounds like, well, around 5,000 or you've heard the stories from 5,000 people.
Nearly 5,000 adults and children, either personal interviews, on the phone, group interviews.
Okay, now my question is...
Were they all saying the same thing?
Did they encounter similar things?
No, they did not all say the same thing.
And don't believe any researcher that says they do.
There is a repeating pattern, yes.
We in research call that a scenario.
The scenario can...
The most common...
Element to the scenario is an out-of-body experience.
Most people, adult or child, will have an out-of-body experience.
The next most common is seeing a light.
A light that's brighter than the sun, brighter than even 10,000 suns.
Adults say that that light is so bright Instantly you're fried, but there's no pain.
The third most common is a greeter of some kind.
Sometimes it's a loved one.
Sometimes it's a grandma or granddad.
Sometimes it's a friend that has died and gone on before you.
You see a lot of animals in these cases.
So maybe it's a pet.
That you've had before and it's, you know, died and gone on.
But sometimes it's pets you don't even know.
Sometimes it's maybe birds.
You see a lot of birds in near-death experiences, especially with children.
So there's animals in these cases as well.
Then many times there's a past life review.
Sometimes it's from birth to death.
Sometimes it's the reverse.
Sometimes it's just scenes from the life.
So it'll vary with different people.
So what about the idea about in terms of when you're seeing a past life, these people are seeing their past lives and they're telling you about it, I assume.
Correct?
You're talking about the past life in the sense of birth to death.
Not reincarnation?
Sorry?
You very, very seldom hear that.
Unless you're working with very, very young children.
But the older children, the teens and the adults, very seldom talk about past lives in the sense of being another being before Before this incarnation.
Okay, what about in your own experience?
In other words, you had three near-death experiences.
Did you happen to see who you were?
Have you visited your past lives?
Well, I didn't see that in my near-death experience, no.
But I was aware of Of that long before I died.
I was aware of that as a child.
Okay.
I knew good and well that my mother was my daughter in France and I could not accept her authority in this lifetime.
No way, no how.
Because she was my daughter.
And I was very clear on that.
This is my daughter bossing me around.
And so, you know, there was not a good rapport between the two of us.
Okay, so were you brought up religiously?
My mother was Catholic.
I was raised by Norwegian Lutherans.
I became a Mormon because I loved a Mormon.
When we broke up, then I stayed within the church for a year trying to decide, you know, is this really going to work for me or not?
Then I became a Methodist.
And the day came when the family I had at the time all gathered at the living room table and we all decided as a family that we would withdraw from the Methodist Church and we would each choose where we wanted to go.
I went the way of Signs of Mind.
The husband I had at the time became a Catholic.
My son became a Taoist.
My oldest daughter went the way of science and mind as well.
My youngest daughter became a Lutheran.
So we all went our own way.
Okay.
But you seem to have quite a bit of spiritual knowledge before you died, correct?
Yes.
Yes, I, yes.
Okay, and because that's, you know, this was in Idaho, I think you said.
Is that correct?
My dear, I was teaching people biorhythms.
I became a hypnotist specializing in past life regressions.
I did stage work.
And this is all before you died.
Okay, this is before you died, correct?
Before you died.
Oh, yes.
Oh, all right.
So you were actually quite prepared in a certain sense to die and come back.
back.
Is that correct?
I don't think anyone is ever prepared to Okay.
I was prepared to go in my knowing at that time.
I had reached the point where, as we know in the metaphysical world, When the student is ready, the teacher will come.
And I felt I was ready for the next teaching cycle.
I was ready for something new and different.
I did not...
Well, yes, my teacher came, but I did not know...
That it would be death.
I was expecting a person, for heaven's sake.
I was expecting another teacher.
I wasn't expecting death.
I got slammed right on my keeser.
I had to relearn how to stand, how to walk, how to talk, how to think.
I had to learn everything as if I were a tiny baby.
I hear you.
Now, what I want to know is, you started to talk about your out-of-body.
You said you went around a light in your bathroom, but you really didn't talk about going anywhere in particular.
What about in your second and third death experiences?
They were all very involved.
They were all there.
Well, Bill, if you can summarize, did you go to other planets?
Did you go to...
If you didn't go to Lifetimes, you didn't go to other planets, where did you go?
What did you learn?
Anything in particular?
Oh, dear.
I'm not prepared for this at all.
Well, even one thing.
One thing.
You don't have to remember everything.
Just one thing.
There's no such thing as one thing.
In my second near-death experience, I began to see thoughts as things.
And I began to realize how thoughts work in ethers.
I began to see thoughts as creative.
And what you can do with your thought.
So you were learning things.
My loved ones came to me, including a grandfather.
I had never had an occasion to meet, see, or know anything about him.
He came to me and introduced himself to me.
And in knowing him, I could see where some of my traits had come from.
Because in this lifetime, I was illegitimate by birth.
In those days, that was considered a crime.
I've had five fathers and two mothers.
So I had no way to know him.
And Then there was a period of being thankful, of learning what forgiveness is, and coming back into my body on a sparkler, like a carpet of sparklers.
I wasn't able to reanimate the body enough.
If I had gone on a few more feet across the floor, I would have made it to the kitchen where we had a wall formed.
But I still wasn't fully back.
And so I crawled all the way back to my bed, put myself in bed, and laid there in a stupor for two days.
I did not know anything.
I was still on the other side.
And finally came out of the stupor and was able to make it to a doctor, a specialist.
And he told me there was no way I could be alive.
Well, yeah, what do you do with that?
So he sent me home, believe it or not, not to a hospital.
He sent me home.
And then I was taking a dangerous drug.
He called it a dangerous drug.
I was just take it four times.
I was to take it once every four hours for three days.
No more.
And during that time, when I was recuperating after my second near-death experience, laying on the sofa, hardly able to walk or do anything, a very curious thing happened.
I never had to turn on the television set.
Ever.
Ever.
Because they're formed across my chest like a hologram, like a misty bridge.
And on that bridge walked all of my past lives.
They just walked by and I watched them and I saw who I was and what I did.
And over and over, you know, I went on and on and on.
I was able to see my cells in my body and I wanted to apologize to them for what I had gone through and what they had gone through.
And I was able then to speak with them and talk to them and explain and apologize.
And I went through a number of things like this in becoming aware of my world and where I was now.
In my third near-death experience, I went into a place of total blackness.
Everything was black.
There wasn't anything there.
There was no sound, no color, no movement, no people, no beings, nothing.
And I called it the void because there was nothing there.
But yet, there was this sense, this sense of movement, this sparkle.
This kind of wiggle.
It's like when you make this jello dish and you unmold the jello dish on a platter.
And with your finger, you're going to touch that jello.
And just before you touch the jello, there is that sense of wiggle or sparkle or Or that sense of that there's something there.
And the void is filled with that.
It's absolutely filled with it.
It's like the most incredible womb the universe can have.
It's like in the void is Every sound that ever existed or ever will exist, every movement, every color, every being, every existence that ever will be.
But there was nothing there.
Okay, but what happened?
Then what happened?
How did it, does it dissipate?
Do you come back to consciousness?
what in essence happened in that third experience to bring you back?
I just slowly became conscious of my bedroom, my house, my job, my children, my world.
and And I chose to take whatever classes I could Just do whatever it took to rebuild my body, rebuild my mind, and rebuild my life.
I did that for a year.
After the year was up, I just cut loose because I felt reasonably a human and I took off and began my work.
Okay.
Well, you've had quite an amazing life, I have to say.
Now, I want to make a transition here, because I don't want to keep you too long, but I want to ask you now, as I mentioned before we started, about the books you've written about the new kinds of children coming in.
And if you can, because your newest book, this is also about your newest book, okay?
So you can talk in whatever terms you want about that.
In my work, interviewing and being with and having sessions with near-death experiencers and children who had also experienced the phenomenon, I began to notice regular kids, all kinds of kids, that were behaving as if they had had a near-death experience.
They were functioning very, very differently.
So I began to...
I began another research project just on regular kids.
Normal kids.
Born the normal way.
Never had a near-death experience.
But the new kids coming in.
From 1982 on.
So what was this...
What was going on?
And, and the, was it the first book?
Yeah.
The first book I wrote about this, it was called Children of the Fifth World.
And I was just shocked to find that the human race was altering.
It was evolving.
It was changing in a very considerable way.
And at that time, we had this indigo craze and all this stuff about indigo kids, crystal kids, all kinds of kids.
And I found that there really wasn't a good way to describe them at all.
If you take all these characteristics...
That were labeled an indigo child or a crystal child or a star child or whatever.
If you take the labels and cast them out the door and just look at the characteristics, you take those characteristics of all of those and that's the new kids.
It doesn't matter what color of aura they have.
Whether they're purple or green or yellow or blue or whatever.
Look at the characteristics of these children.
They are different.
They're so different.
Well, they're the first children ever to be born that have No concept of all of the
world I knew.
Because when they came in, when they were birthed, Their view of the world was through a screen.
So, from 1982 on, their first view of the world is through a screen.
Where my first view of the world is walking out the door and playing in the mud.
The new kids don't have that.
At least not most of them.
So, we're looking at a very different type of kid and those...
Well, I want to briefly go over the generations.
From 1901 to 1929, we've got the G.I. Joes, the builders.
From 1925 to 1942, we have the Silents, the caregivers.
From 1943 to 1960, we've got the boomers, the rebels.
From 1961 to 1981, we've got Generation X, the survivors.
From 1982 to 2001, we've got the millennials, the fixers.
From 2002 to 2024, We've got what I call the 911s, the adapters, Because this is the first generation that we know of.
There's no sense of a protected homeland.
You know, you know.
The 911s.
There's no sense of a protected homeland.
So, they have a very different view of the world from the kids before that.
Okay, now these classifications, are these ones that you've learned about or are these ones that you have created for yourself?
I've studied them.
All right.
And if you're going to study generations, you've got to understand the planet Pluto.
Pluto is...
It's the generational planet.
And if you're going to ever understand how a generation comes in, how they behave, what their main thrust is.
Okay, so you come at this partially astrologically.
You said you were an astrologer at one time.
Yes, I was.
And so you see things in terms of astrology to some degree.
Well, not always, but certainly if you understand the generations, you need to understand the planet Pluto, which is a generational planet.
And from 2025 to 2043, that's when we get the true Aquarians.
They aren't here yet.
Well, some of them are, but I mean as a generation.
They come in about 2025.
And all of this is in the book.
The book is called Children of the Fifth World.
And I go very much in depth about the new kids in that book.
Okay, that's fine.
Now, at this point, because we're trying to get an overview of everything, and you have a huge amount of work, and I understand it's a lot.
So what I want to do is talk about, if you describe the generations in the fifth world, what are you talking about when we get to your newest book that's coming out in September?
Well, that's a near-death book.
Oh, it is?
Okay, so it's not about the kids per se.
It's not a generational book, no.
Okay.
It's not about evolution.
Uh-huh.
So, that book, you want Children of the Fifth World, you also want Future Memory, you also want A Manual for Developing Humans.
Those are the three major books that talk about evolution, Define it, what it is, where we are in the cycles.
Okay, now, have your findings in these cases, in these books about the children coming in, made you optimistic about the future?
Do you have a feeling or understanding of what you think Might be happening in the future because of the children that you've encountered.
It made me aware of a greater reality.
When we talk about the new kids coming in, not near deaf kids, the new kids, we're talking about They're coming in in thirds.
About one third have a gene mutation that will help them to build a better brain.
One third in standard IQ tests score genius.
One third are coming in either autistic or Or have a very different sense of how to speak, how to work in the world.
So we've got changes happening in brain evolution.
We also have, if we're talking thirds, we're having one third coming in profoundly gifted.
We have One third coming in quite intelligent, intuitive, and creative.
But we have another third that are coming in literally amoral.
And when I look at this, when I look at the excitement of these children, and when I see that One third of them are either sociopaths or immoral or very different.
Then I'm seeing divisions of thirds and triangles.
You know, when we're looking at the Holy Trinity or the third spiritual law of karma, the third spiritual tradition of the Golden Rule, Thirds are the rhythmic proportion of the golden mean.
Nature's preference for harmony, balance, and beauty.
What I'm looking at is a greater intelligence involved here.
I'm looking at something You can call it God.
You can call it the one.
You can call it a greater being.
You can call it the greater mind, oneness, whatever.
That is very rhythmic in the way that it is building and rising the human race In a way that is truly proportional, but yet rising to a higher degree than we have ever seen human beings on this planet.
And I get very excited.
I don't get excited in the sense of love and light.
I get excited in the sense of proportions.
I get excited in the sense that That all that is happening with the human race, with the world, with the universe, is opening up a new vessel, a new portal,
a new rhythm that a new rhythm that leaves me with awe.
You know, I don't know what words to use.
It's true to awe.
Okay, now I want to ask you, are you aware of the alien abductions, of the abductions of greys?
Yes, I am.
So one third, at least one third of those children you're describing must be gray human hybrids.
I doubt it.
You don't believe they're successful at creating the hybrid children they've been working so hard to do?
The hybrid children are part of this.
Okay, so you think they're a mixture?
So we're looking at the universe itself and all the different beings in the universe.
I don't think one is above the other.
We're all rising.
We're all changing.
The vibratory speed and rhythm of the entire universe is changing.
So if we're going to talk about just hybrids, if we're going to talk about just alien abductions, I think we're talking about a small Part of the greater reality.
And the greater reality is above and beyond anything we know.
Okay, what about artificial intelligence?
And the role that's going to play?
Have you thought about that?
I've thought about it.
I... I haven't researched it, thought about it, know what's coming, know what's already here.
You know, China's already built an island out in the sea, a large one, that handles shipping and all kinds of shipping, There's only about two or three people on the whole island.
The whole island is robotic.
I saw a picture of it last night on TV and it just blew my mind.
It's a big island, it's not a little one.
Okay, so let's wrap that back into that.
It's just being taken care of by two or three people.
I understand.
So what about these new children and artificial intelligence?
Have you seen anything about that?
Are you aware of their future involving artificial intelligence?
No, I haven't gone into that as a person.
Okay, well then, the children you've talked to, assuming that you're meeting these children, some you say are also what we call precogs as a result of having been autistic, having what we might call a disability, but it actually manifests more as a mutation.
You're aware, like the X-Men scenario, right?
Right.
This is very prevalent now.
And so we're going to have a lot of those children which are autistic, but they have other gifts.
So have you become aware of them?
Yes.
But, you know, they're not in my book.
But yes, I'm aware of them.
Oh, I see.
I allude to them in the book.
Where we are in...
Our fifth cycle as human beings as very clearly in the fifth world.
Yes, I'm aware of them.
I haven't done any more research because right now I'm finishing up with my work with near-death kids before I go further into how the world is changing.
That's my next book after this one.
So, the big near-death book that's coming, The Forever Angels, near-death experiences in childhood, plus their lifelong impact.
I went after those people who had a near-death experience in the womb, Before, during, and after birth as babies, toddlers, and children up to the age of five.
So I went totally into the little ones, the tiniest ones.
This is where you get your real mutations.
This is where these experiences are happening at times when the flooring is being laid in the brain.
So they're very different in the way they look at things and the way they feel about things.
No, they're not that interested in reincarnation.
They're not that interested in love and light.
What they're interested in, most of them, is the life continuum.
They're interested more in fixing things.
Being able to find solutions for things.
That's what they're interested in.
And they're fabulous in that.
I'm very excited about that.
But I'm also cautionary in the sense of What they have to go through as children.
Most of them do not bond to the family.
They do not bond to mother and dad.
They bond to the other side, not this side.
So that causes all kinds of challenges, of course, with mom and dad, siblings, school.
Most of them wonder why they have to go to school because they know more than The other kids, they know more than the teacher.
So it's a very different way of looking at the near-death experience, looking through the eyes of children who never had a before.
I mean, with older children, adults, there's a before.
They have a way to compare.
But these little tiny ones, there's no comparison.
There's no before.
So there before is the life continuum.
And how do they apply that?
How do they work with that and deal with that?
So the Forever Angels, when it comes out, it'll be out in September.
So that's just in a, what, a couple of months.
Not even that.
You know, everybody's going to be quite surprised at these children.
Okay, so...
In terms of the children, you talk about them having experiences in the womb, and yet they're quite young when you're talking to them.
It sounded like you, going to five years old, do they actually remember being in the womb and they're telling you these experiences?
Is that what is happening?
Well, I've got two different research projects here in the book, The Forever Angels.
Okay.
One of them covers research I did back in the 80s.
That book is The New Children and Near-Death Experiences.
That's where I'm comparing the new kids to near-death kids.
That research was indeed with little ones from kindergarten up.
So we're talking little kids, we're talking teens, we're talking mostly young adults looking forward.
This batch, the new one that comes out in September, the Forever Children, I went after people in their 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s who had a clear memory of a near-death experience in those ages and could verify it.
And I went to them and said, did that experience make any difference in your life?
If it did, what was it?
I want to know About what was life like in the family with the siblings, school, sex, college, jobs, becoming parents of their own, becoming grandparents.
What was it like?
Did it make any difference?
And what I found blew my mind.
It just blew my mind.
I was not prepared for what I found.
And I don't think anybody else is going to be either.
It was a real surprise.
Okay.
What was so surprising?
Can you say one or two things?
Not at this time.
No, not at this time.
All right.
You know, wait till September.
Okay.
Read the book.
All right.
Fair enough.
Now, we have a chat room alongside our show here, and that means people type questions into the chat room.
So it doesn't have audio to it.
It just...
Well, this is a very different kind of show, so...
Well, okay.
That's the case with my shows, I have to say.
Now, these people in the chat room may have questions for you.
Would you like to answer some of the questions that people have?
Sure, sure.
Let's tackle some of those.
Okay, so one of the questions in the chat is how can we help such children?
And I'm not sure which children they're speaking of, but maybe you can extrapolate how they can be helped.
Well, that's a broad question.
So when we're talking about the new children, the children of the fifth world, I think one of the The first thing we need to do is open up the mother or father dialogue with the kids or at least open up that communication factor with the kids.
So they can dialogue and talk in the way they want to.
You can listen.
You can help them.
Aim that in a certain way to begin to work with that in a different way.
I really don't know quite how to answer that.
In a way that would make a lot of sense on this show.
I think all I would do is be tumbling over myself because I wasn't really prepared to talk about them in the first place.
Okay, what about, maybe if you apply that question to the near-death experience, those children and adults actually that have had near-death experiences, is there any special advice you would give on how to help those people?
Well, of course, to talk with them, to listen to them, to allow them To be able to talk about anything and everything.
And I really, really invite all of these people to make your book.
Make your book.
That is to say, grab paper, lots of paper.
Draw your experience.
The book needs a title.
It needs a front page.
So title your book any way you want.
Maybe you want to get a little hole in the top and put a ribbon in there so that you can tie up your book and just flip through it page after page of drawing what it was like for you or talking what it was like for you.
Make poems.
Make all kinds of drawings.
And that really helps more than anything else anyone can do, whether it's child, whether it's a teenager, whether it's adult.
Pour out your story, make your book.
You begin there.
Okay, that's a wonderful thing to say.
Now, in terms of, there's one question that everyone asks all the time about death, okay?
At least in the sector that I'm in.
A lot of people are very focused on what they call the white light and the fact that they believe that they are then sent back, that souls are captured.
By this earth and that they're forced to come back here rather than ascend.
So have you thought about ascension?
Are you aware that a lot of people think that being captured by the white light means they're being trapped and told to return?
What do you think about that?
I would not apply that to near-death experiences at all.
Okay.
Because it doesn't work.
The word capture is meaningless.
With children who have near-death experiences, they see mainly four different kinds of light.
The first one is a very brilliant radiance.
The second one is black or dark.
The third one is bright white, maybe gold, maybe silver, but predominantly white.
And the fourth one is clear, as if there was nothing else there but this clearness.
And the children define these lights.
And they say that that dark or black light often has violet or purple streaks in it.
That's a mother light.
There's something very huggy bear-like and very healing and very wonderful and wondrous about that light.
And the bright white light.
They call that the father light.
And there's something very special about that light.
And that very clear light, there's something very comforting about that light as well.
But that That very powerful radiance that really has no specific color.
That incredible, powerful radiance.
The kids call that God's light.
And they say that the dark light and the white light come from God's light.
And so does the clear light.
They all come from God's light.
And they're very clear about that.
They don't get mixed up about that at all.
And we have the big book of near-death experiences that I wrote.
It's like an encyclopedia of the entire near-death experience.
There's an adult that had this incredible dark or black light coming to him while he was in the hospital.
It took over.
And the next morning, he was completely well.
The next morning, he was due for surgery.
And because of that black light, he was completely healed.
There's something about that black light that heals and helps and enhances the brain.
It's an incredible, wonderful line.
Very seldom do you hear anything negative about the black light.
So when we're talking about these lights with kids, we're looking at it in a very different way than what you just described.
We're looking at lights that are so evolutionary and so purposeful and so beneficial that I have a hard time comparing to what you're talking about.
Okay.
Now, what about the second part of the question having to do with what we call ascension?
Are you aware of that idea?
And have any of the kids and or adults talked about attempting to ascend or...
I mean, I'm assuming if they're still talking to you, they didn't leave this planet, right?
They came back in some form or fashion.
Okay.
So when we're talking about ascension...
We're talking about, as near as I can tell, that sense of soul, that sense of being, that is rising not only throughout the universe, but through ah I'm searching words
Well, density.
Density.
Densityness beyond beingness.
Okay.
Right now, certainly, all life on planet Earth is changing, it's growing, it's changing.
The energy is going straight up at the same time that it's squeezing.
So we're getting that straight up thrust.
At the same time, we're getting a real, real gut squeeze so that anything unhealed, anything deep within us, any wound, any anger, any fear that is deep within us, It's being thrust up.
We've got to look at it.
We've got to deal with it.
We have to heal it.
Because all of that energy is going straight up.
We need to be healed to go with it.
That's what I'm seeing.
That's what I'm feeling.
Yeah.
Alright, so in a sense you're seeing humanity going through a kind of ascension, a sort of a process.
We're being thrust up energy-wise.
So certainly our mind, our energy is increasing in tempo.
And it's going faster and faster.
Yes, we're ascending or shifting, whatever word you want to use.
And we're doing it in a big way.
Are we all going to make it?
No.
Not everyone can handle that kind of energy.
Not everyone is able to heal.
But those who cannot, who don't make that This particular thrust certainly will have other chances, other opportunities.
No, I haven't paid any attention to how or why or when or where.
Right now, my main thrust is getting this book out, The Forever Angels.
And introducing that to as many people as I can, and helping them understand what's going on now, not only with the children, but with we human beings as well.
The rest of us, all of us.
Okay.
Now, I have one last question for you, and then I'm going to let you go, and I hope that's okay with you.
We try to keep the shows under two hours if we can, and we have a bit of time here.
But I want to ask you if you do talk about people with near-death experiences developing psychic and strong intuition, so they have...
In theory, you know, quite strong psychic abilities, etc.
And I wonder if not only is this the case with yourself, but is this what you're seeing?
Where are you seeing them talk to you about their psychic abilities and even maybe...
You're talking about hundreds of thousands of people, millions of people.
If you weren't psychic before, you become psychic after.
If you were psychic before, you become very psychic after.
It takes that ability within us that I feel we were all born with.
It takes that And thrust it up.
It becomes more natural and normal.
People begin having spiritual experiences all over the place.
Some of them become mediums.
Most of them just become psychic or highly intuitive.
And This is very common in the near-death field.
Many of us develop electrical sensitivity afterward.
I'm one of them.
Easily between 70% to 75% of all near-death experiencers afterward will develop electrical sensitivity.
It's one of the reasons why I can't use a cell phone because those are painful for me.
I can't hold one.
So there's a pattern of after effects, both physiological and psychological, that happens to people who have a near-death experience.
There are changes in brain structure and brain function.
There are changes in the nervous system, changes in the digestive system, changes in skin sensitivity.
It's almost as if you become another person.
You're not another person, but it's like you become one.
It's like you expand.
It's like you become more of who you were before.
Okay.
Now, what about the idea that in some cases there may be what we call a walk-in?
In other words, one soul may leave and another soul occupied.
Did you come across that phenomena?
I came across a few.
I came across a lot of those before I died.
I came across a few afterward.
Most of those who claim to be walk-ins, I do not feel are.
It's almost as if they are near-death experiencers because they display the same after-effects as a near-death experiencer displays.
So those people who claim because of a near-death experience, because of Because of an injury, because of a coma, or a dream, or whatever happened to them, that afterward,
they're more intelligent, and work on a higher level, and are guided, and all of these things occur to them afterward, is the same, exactly the same motif.
As the average near-death experiencer.
Are we all walk-ins?
No.
It's as if the soul within us expands.
It's not that we become another soul or another soul walks in and this is the soul that we once were, leaves, that there's an arrangement.
No.
Rather, the soul we are It expands and becomes bigger and bigger and better.
No, I really question the walk-in theory.
Okay, fair enough.
Now, I said I was going to give you one question, but I have to ask you one more and then I really will let you go.
And it's a lot of fun to talk to you.
In terms of what you call death, some people may have a different interpretation of what a life, death, or near-death experience really is.
In other words, like you said, some people could feel they died and came back even in a dream.
Some people could feel that they had such a serious experience that they left their body even For a fleeting moment came back and it was as if they had died.
Do you know what I'm saying?
And some will have a physical death that is, you know, in a doctor's, you know, officer or hospital, which is, you know, markedly different and they may have hours and hours until they come back.
In other words, do you see a difference there?
The difference is in the after effects.
It's always the after effects.
It's not the near-death experience itself, but it's the pattern of physiological and psychological changes.
It's that pattern that identifies the near-death experience, not the other way around.
Most people will talk about the near-death experience But they're not talking about the after effects.
And they claim all kinds of claims.
But I, as a researcher, I'm looking at the after effects.
I'm looking at their body.
I'm looking at their brain.
I'm looking at their health.
I'm looking at their jobs, their careers, their neighbors, their family.
I'm talking to all of those if I can.
I'm investigating all of that if I possibly can to see how much of that is the change they sensed happened or the change that really happened.
Not something they just sensed But something that was a marked change in their brain, in their nervous system, in their digestive system, in the skin, and in the personality and how they live now.
When we're talking about near-death experiences, we're talking about a very viable and dynamic change that happens to an individual.
We're not talking about something that somebody dreamed about.
We're not talking about Something someone thought they had.
We're talking about something that's really, really, really, really real.
It does not have to happen in a hospital.
Most of the cases, well, about 12 to 27 percent happen in a hospital.
The rest of them don't.
It could be high fever.
It could be a drowning.
You know, on and on and on.
There's different causes, different kinds.
There can be a fear death.
Someone who was so frightened that they were going to die that they, you know, they really left their body and to all extents and purposes did die.
If they display, you know, Those after effects, that pattern, then indeed they had a near-death experience, whether it was in a hospital, whether it was on a riverbank, doesn't matter where.
Okay.
Well, in those cases, would you call the after effects including PTSD? I talk about PTSD at length in the Forever Angels.
I have a chapter on PTSD and NDEs.
Because indeed, near-death experiences can go through some really, really rough changes.
Really rough changes.
And come out of that.
When we're looking at the after effects.
By the way, in my website, www.pmhatwater.com, there is on the homepage a section called NDE After Effects.
Please go in there.
I call it first aid for experiencers.
Yes, you can go through all kinds of changes that really can hurt.
For instance, divorces with near-death experiencers.
Nearly 80% divorce within five years of the experience.
It can be really rough.
So I do all that I can to deal with that, to show people how to handle that and what you can go through.
And truly, for everybody else, get a Manual for Developing Humans.
There are six sections to the book.
Each section deals with all kinds of easy, simple ways to handle the different aspects of life.
Each section approaches it from the conscious mind, the subconscious mind, the superconscious mind, You get it all.
Okay.
It's really, really helpful.
That's great.
I got overboard in every way I can to help people deal with their changes and all this happening.
All right.
Very good.
Okay, well, it's been wonderful to have you on the show.
I want to thank you very much.
I mean, I wasn't prepared for this, but do my best.
Okay, well, I'm not sure what you were prepared for, but I know that it's been very interesting to me.
I assume from the chat that people are finding it very interesting.
And this will go on to YouTube and continue to have...
A life and to gather more viewers and so you yourself can watch it and see what you think.
All right?
You can do it.
I thank you, dear.
All right.
So you take care and I'm going to let you go.
Thank you.
Okay?
Thank you so much.
And thank you to all the audience who put up with me and my inability to form words quickly and easily Because the idea wasn't always there.
But I did my best.
So, thank you.
Thank you.
And you've done a wonderful job, so don't worry about it.
All right.
Okay, dear.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you much.
All right.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.
Take care.
You too.
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