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July 12, 2019 - Project Camelot
01:33:43
ARFON JONES: TANNYOKY ET ENCOUNTER: IRELAND UFO
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Thank you.
Hi, everyone. everyone.
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and very happy to be here today.
We have a very interesting guest, Arphon Jones, and he is an experiencer.
I guess that's what you would call him.
We're going to be talking with him about his latest sightings, and he's actually sent me some very interesting photos, so we're going to show those as well.
So hopefully that will be visible to everyone and so on.
So what I'm going to do is, it looks like my input just jumped up, so hopefully that sound is now a little better.
So your name starts with a V, I mean it has a V in the middle, is that correct?
It's an F, but you pronounce it like a V. I see.
Okay, very logical.
Okay, that's all good.
So basically what we're doing here is we want to do sort of an introduction for you.
And unfortunately, it's been kind of crazy here because I had a strike on my main YouTube channel.
So this is broadcast on a different channel.
So I had a lot of things to set up in order to get this thing rolling today.
But we're up and running, and I believe we're broadcasting, and I'm going to just keep an eye on the chat and make sure the sound levels stay good.
So at the moment, I think we're live.
So go ahead and give an introduction for yourself.
Hello, Kerry.
Basically, I have a story.
Something happened to me a few years ago.
And it's an encounter on the road.
And I had not much of an interest at all in A4s or anything like that.
And it's just from that happening to me, here I am today, you know, talking.
It's just coming out with a story, you know.
Exactly.
Well, what we want to do is back up and let me know the year that it happened.
And actually, before that, can you explain what you do for a living?
And at the time, I don't know how many years ago this was, but what your occupation was back then?
Yes, this happened to me on a weekend in May 2016.
I work for the NHS as a clerical post, as a clinical coder.
So my day-to-day job is working in the office.
Okay.
What is HS? I'm sorry, I don't know.
It's the National Health Service.
Oh, I see.
Okay.
Hospital, yeah.
All right.
So what year was this that the incident happened?
2016.
Okay, so not that long ago.
And what month?
May.
May.
Okay.
So, and we, we actually had the banner, uh, sort of, uh, of your drawing of the, the, uh, sort of being, and I'll just throw that up here very quickly.
Um, so people can see, and that's, uh, basically what we're going to be talking about.
So, hold on us.
Uh, so, so can you now tell us exactly what happened?
Well, on the day in question, I jumped in the car, came out of my house, and I was driving down to collect my kids, and that day, picking them up from their mums, and it was a beautiful day.
Blue skies, gorgeous day, the windows of the car was down, and I just came around the corner, just around this corner, a stretch of the road, And just all of a sudden, out of the blue, you don't expect to see that.
Right in front of me, in the middle of the road, there was this being, whatever it was, it had a tail, and the colour of it was a very dark blue.
You could say between a very dark grey, but there was a lot of blue in it.
The first thing I looked at, I remember at the time, was seeing the tail go from side to side.
You could see every ridge on it.
The way I would describe it, I was thinking like a rat's tail or something like that.
And then the only thing I could do at the time was to look from head to toe, up and down.
I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
I was shaking.
The fear was just going...
Because it had its back towards me, I had a million things going through my mind.
People don't usually get this happening to them.
I could have just gone foot to the floor and take it down.
Yes, happy days.
Somebody's got something to show that there's something out there.
But there was a part of me going, if I do this, what's going to happen to me?
Is it going to get up?
Is it going to move out of the way and take me out?
There was a million things.
And the words that came out of my mouth at the time, I can't repeat them.
I don't know.
See, it turned around as I slowed down, put the brakes on in the car, and I was looking up and down.
It just turned around slowly and stood proud, as I would describe it.
And the height of it was unbelievable.
And it had three, like the way we are, the way I am, I've got shoulders wide.
It was like that, but as it came down it had three muscles to like a rounded front here, you know, muscular.
And it had another one in the middle and then a smaller one at the bottom.
So like three muscles, a bit like a pod thing, you know, coming down like that there.
And the legs were very thin, very, very tall legs, you know, very...
The legs weren't that, you know, That thick really, but you can see it was very muscular and the bottom part of the legs were very, very thin.
But as it turned, I can remember it just looked to the side a bit as I was getting right up close to it.
And the look, it just, you can see every line on his forehead.
It just looked closer at me.
I looked straight into its eyes.
And I was going, oh, what's it going to do?
You know, I just don't know what it's going to do.
And at that point, it just brushed the grass aside and just bolted into the field, shot into the field.
And the speed of it moving, it's like you're watching something, like in a movie, just shot, you know, you see somebody running, you can see them starting to move, you know, going.
This thing, you couldn't.
It was just, you know, one minute it was there, the next thing, right in.
Driving past it, I was wanting to stop.
There's a part of you that wants to stop because you can't believe what you've seen, you know, hopefully.
But there's a fear that goes through you.
I thought I wasn't going to see my family again.
It's hard to imagine.
In some ways, I feel You know, I feel glad I've seen it because it's changed a lot of things in my life, I think, you know?
I used to have, you know, you grow up and you used to have, like, you think, what is there?
What's out there?
You're brought up with certain things.
You're taught things.
And yes, I'm happy with the way I've been brought up, and I'm very glad of the way I've been brought up, but I'm absolutely delighted with the fact that I've seen what I've seen, you know?
Sometimes I think to myself, I wish other people would see what I've seen.
Not to frighten people because after the event, I don't feel frightened now.
I'm just happy with what has happened.
There's so much stuff going on out there that they will not tell us that there is something out there.
But I've seen it with my very eyes, you know, in broad daylight.
And it was in front of me for a good couple of seconds because I was coming around the corner, running up to it.
And what I can say to you, since that happened, we've had a look at that road to see was there anything, you know, of interest on that road.
And the side That as if it had its back, as if it was walking, as I believe I was driving along, and see on my right-hand side as I was looking, there's...
We sent a drone out, and you can see there's a bit as if it's been dug out.
It looks like a rath, a very old...
It just looks as if something's been dug out there, and it has been.
And if you look at The left-hand side, as I was driving, there is a historic wrath on that left side, the side it went into, in the field next, you know, the field up from that.
And I have sent off an email there, got a reply back this week, to do with the one that was, the bit that was being dug out on the right-hand side.
And they replied back to say that They believed it wasn't Arath, that it was a very old pile of rocks that's been quarried out.
But when I look at it today, there's constant digging going on there.
There's trailers coming out of there every now and again digging.
So whether the creature that I had seen was coming out from that there, whether it was looking at the sites, What was there at the time?
I don't know whether it was pure luck.
And I can say there's one picture there you should have of...
I say it's an UFO because there's a couple of people who have looked at it.
It's a picture from Google of the sky on Taniyuki Road there.
And it's a round silver thing flying.
And there's a couple of people looking at it and they've told me it's not a plane, it's not a bird, Then I asked the question, what kind of a bird it is?
It's something unidentified anyway.
Okay, so I'm actually showing some of these photos right now to people, and the one with the UFO, I don't know if people can see it.
I don't know how well it's coming out on the video.
I can see it with my eyes, and I can put these pictures on my site, so if people want to examine them later, they can do so.
That one's quite small, so I don't...
But this is another, I guess, another look at the UFO type of thing.
I'm lucky enough to get that photo.
So you went back and got that photo on another day, or is this somebody else's photo?
That's a photo we got from Google after that had happened.
And I can tell you, I've sent you another, there was another photo you have of the junction of that area.
We checked then May the following year.
After that, 2017, just to see it again.
People were looking to see it, and they were telling me, we can't see it.
And I was saying, why is this?
So I checked myself.
And for some reason, from that junction, as you turn right then to go down that road, the sky had been changed.
They blotted out that part of the sky.
It was changed to cloudy skies.
But if you turned up to the left, then away from the direction I'd seen it, it was blue skies.
So it's like, why is one, you know, it should all be the, you know, I believe that it had been, you know, erased, wiped out.
But lucky enough, we have that picture.
You know, it's just something good to have, something unusual.
You know, it might not be connected, To me, to what happened.
But it's a very good one.
You know, it's unusual to have that kind of photo.
Okay, well, you've got a sky.
Where did you get the sky pictures?
Were they all on Google or was this a person's?
Because there's one with kind of a smeary white thing on it.
Is that the one of the road, is it?
Yeah, but it's from the sky looking down at the road.
It's a photograph, and it has a white sort of blurry bit on the very kind of roundish.
The number, if you have the photos in front of you, is 5007.
No, I don't have it in front of me.
It's 30 minutes.
It's, let's see, is that the one where it's circled...
The road is...
No, nothing's circled on this one.
It has a piece of land that looks like it perhaps is a mound.
Yes.
Yeah, that's the one that's been dug out, I think, isn't it?
Yeah.
Is that on the right-hand side?
Well, I say the right-hand side, the way I look at it.
Well, I guess it's kind of hard to tell what we're looking at exactly, but it does, maybe you're not aware it had a white mark kind of thing on it, but there is a couple, you know, from this sort of Looking down,
there's another one, and that number is 5006, and maybe at a certain point you can go grab the photos and try to pull them up so you can see what numbers they are, because it's difficult from your description for me to tell exactly which photo to show people.
There is one that has Tanioki Road, May 2016 on it, and it has piles of what look like dirt.
Yep.
And the UFO in the background for people.
So that's, again, I guess what I'd like to do is talk something about the being before we kind of get into the scene and what happened since then.
So if we could kind of back up and talk about this particular being.
And you made a drawing of it.
It seems quite a good drawing, really.
I'm not that very good at drawings.
Well, I don't know, because this is actually quite stunning, this picture.
And it certainly gives us a very good idea about kind of what you were looking at.
I don't know, it looks kind of like a kind of a...
I would say maybe an ant being.
I mean, it's hard to say, but it is standing upright, so that's kind of strange.
Did you feel any...
Like before you...
I don't know, you kind of turned around a bend.
You came to a corner and you turned down the road.
Right before it happened, did you happen to feel anything like electromagnetic energy?
Any sudden...
Flashes of light or anything like that.
Did you feel anything before you actually came upon seeing this figure?
No.
Do you know what I can tell you?
On that S bend as I was coming around it, that stretch of road, just on that bend as I'm coming around, it had been closed off for weeks because the road was sinking down, sinking in, like a bit of a sinkhole, and that had been going on for weeks.
And then they'd closed that road off for weeks.
And they were filling it in, apparently.
And they fixed it.
And then it sunk again.
And it closed for another few weeks.
So I've asked a few people, going, what's going on there?
Because you hear stories of...
I don't know, I've read a lot of things about...
There's a story about, you know, you can go on about...
Is there anything within the Earth and all this sort of thing?
You know, people have theories of different things.
I don't know.
Coming around the corner that day, I'm the kind of person that thinks a lot.
I think things throughout my day.
Did I connect with something that day?
I don't know.
Okay, so you didn't have any pronounced feeling about, in advance, in other words, that comes to mind.
Is that correct?
No, no.
Okay.
It just, you know, out of the blue, just was there.
It didn't, the way I could describe it, as I looked at, as I was looking in front of me, it didn't kind of just appear in a flash, you know, It just was there.
As I came around the corner, it was there with its back as if it was walking, you know, going across that way.
And my car was quite noisy at the time because just everybody says my car is just a noisy engine.
And I was coming around and there's no wonder why it turned around because, you know, you just could hear the engine, the diesel engine knocking away.
But I can say I'm glad that I didn't knock it down because I don't think I could live with myself for doing such a thing, you know?
Okay.
Now, you describe it, or you drew it, but did you have a sort of a fix on what kind of a being you were looking at?
Like, did you think of it as an animal, or did you think of it as an insect, or did you think of it as a bird, or, I don't know, a combination of those?
Did those kind of things cross your mind?
Looking at it, it stood like a person stands with legs, Feet looked pretty normal.
Hands looked, you know, pretty normal.
So the colour was this blue.
The skin on it, some people ask me, was it a reptilian thing, you know, being?
No, it had no scales.
There was nothing like that.
It was totally smooth.
The top part of it, the body, it looked smooth.
The skin on it was smooth.
There was not one ounce of...
I was looking at it, there was no hair at all to it, you know, like the head, just looking at it.
The body itself, as it turned, you can see the back.
As we are people, you look at a person standing sideways, it was very, very well built.
I can describe it in a way that the torso, the top part of the body, The way I was looking at it at the time, I was thinking to myself, is that wearing a casing?
You know, that's the way, it looks so perfect, shaped, you know, the body, the way the muscles was running down it.
Right, but is it like a toy?
I mean, did it look mechanical or did it look, you know what I mean?
It wasn't mechanical, but it looked, the upper part of the body looked As if it had come out of a mould.
It was perfect shaped.
That's the way I describe it.
The legs, the arms were attached to it, but they weren't made out of a mould because you could tell that the arms were the arms.
Obviously it wasn't a mould, it was the body of it, but it just looked so perfect shaped and the bottom part of it where the legs were, It was so tiny as it came down to where the hips were.
And the legs just came out.
And I haven't drawn the legs that well because, you know, you can imagine as we have legs, it's very wide at the top and it comes down a bit narrower at the knee.
As it came down to the knee, the knees were very small.
And I can remember it to this day.
There's never a day that goes by that I don't...
See the image of it in front of me, that it's there.
And see the bottom part of the legs and I was...
Right.
At the time I was thinking, oh my God, look at you.
Those words did come out of my mouth.
Okay, so it could be sort of wearing a casing of some kind like a bit of armor or protective coating kind of on the body part.
The way I think of it was, if I'd have hit it, I wouldn't have stood chance.
What do you mean by that?
You mean it looked strong or your car would have been stronger than it or it would have been stronger than your car?
I think it would have been stronger than the car.
Oh.
And you did say it is tall, right?
It's around six feet tall, I believe?
Yeah, maybe just more than at least.
All right.
And what about the eyes?
Did you get a sense that when it looked at you, was it a piercing look?
Was it just sort of interested in you casually?
Or was it, you know, surprised or frightened?
Did you get a sense from the eyes?
Sometimes I think it was like a look as if to say, who do you think you are?
Or that kind of a thing, you know?
Because it kind of turned around like that there and scrunched its forehead.
So you might have surprised it a bit.
Yeah, as if I didn't know I was there.
How did I see it?
Why was I able to see it?
Was there something within me at that point in time that allowed me to see it?
Because why hasn't anybody else seen?
I don't know.
See, people talk about different things.
Some people have the ability to see things.
I don't know.
Right.
To do with things like that, I don't know.
Because since that happened, okay, I know I'm drifting away from this, but since that happened, there's a stretch of road beside it, where I live, that leads up to Market Hill, and there was a car driving along, it was getting dark, and in the headlights of that car, this thing came across the road, jumping very, very skinny legs to it, And it jumped across the road.
You could see it in the lights of the car in front of me.
It had its head turned looking as it jumped across.
And it went over the gate of the side of the road.
That car stopped.
And there's people in it.
And people ask me to this day, why do you not stop?
Because it's gone.
There's no point.
I've seen, you know, I've invested in a dashcam to put on the car since that happened.
But for the couple of weeks, months that went by since that happened, I just had to get in touch with somebody.
I sent two emails off at least to different departments because I was told, look, you need to get this off your chest.
You need to tell somebody because You know, it was such a big, big story to me.
If you see something just crossing the sky, you can go, oh yeah, that's a meteorite, or it's nothing.
Or if you see something in the head, you'll go, oh yeah, maybe that was something, but you cannot, you won't talk about it.
Because people will think you just, you know, Okay, but you kind of changed the subject sort of in the middle of that.
You were saying that you saw, this is another sighting that you had, that a couple or somebody in a car...
It was passing in front of you, I guess if I understand it, and then in the headlights you saw something, but are you suggesting that something you saw was the same creature that you saw standing in the road, or are you saying it's a completely different creature?
It could have been the same, because it was a very tall, skinny thing.
It was fast.
It just sprung right across the road.
The way I describe it, the big leaps, it just went.
It just sprung across.
Wow.
Okay.
And then the car stopped.
Did you talk to the people?
No.
At that point in time, I just didn't want to.
I was like, I'm not getting involved.
I just wanted to go.
Well, could you see their behavior?
Did they walk around their car?
Did they walk around the area?
Did they talk or did you hear anything that they had to say?
I think it was a case of that driver just pulling in Because it was just shocked, I think, you know, by the look of the situation.
So they did see something, though, obviously, if they stopped.
I've been trying to find out, has there been any kind of a report of anything?
But I don't think people want to report things.
Probably, it's like myself, I've come out and talked about this because I want, you know, I feel that I want to, that it should come out, you know?
Right.
These things do happen.
Probably...
Probably it is happening to people out there, the odd one, but they just don't want to talk about it to you.
Okay, now as far as the drawing goes, you actually drew the tail a little like it almost looks like a snake.
Was that intentional or was that just being creative?
What did the tail actually look like?
Is that accurate in your drawing?
Trying to draw a tail exactly the way it looked, there's little lines in it thinking, you know, being the way as I looked at it, it had ridges throughout the tail.
And the way I describe it, say if you had a cat or a dog, the tail would go down.
It just falls down.
This thing didn't fall down at all.
It swung like a snake goes on the ground, yeah.
That's the way I can kind of describe it.
It swung from left to right, back and forth like that there.
Oh, right.
That's the first thing I saw when I seen that.
I felt threatened because you see things in the movies and you go, that thing's got a tail.
It actually takes things out, you know.
You've seen things in the past when you're watching certain things.
And to me, I was going, you know, that bit was frightening.
And the upper part of the body of it, you know, the legs and the arms wasn't the frightening part of it, you know.
Right.
I was looking at the tail and the body and it just looked so muscly and, you know, you're thinking that it was going to...
I think my time was up.
Well, okay, you say you were afraid.
Did its attitude towards you change in the time that you at least were watching it before it turned and took off?
In other words, did you get the sense that it was considering whether to attack you or was it looking threatening?
Did its facial expression change?
Did it look more menacing at any point or did it just look at you very objectively?
As it turned, it stood Proud in front of me and it put its arms down beside it, you know, just stood there and I was slowing right down to nearly a stop.
It was just trickling forward and I got so close to it.
I'm talking matter of feet.
You just didn't know what it was going to do and it just leant forward and looked through, trying to look through my windscreen.
And I looked straight up at it and I could see every line on its head, you know, like three or four lines.
Like I have, you know, and then I could see the oval, the eyes, the darkness, the black eyes, and I looked straight into its eyes for a good second or two, and it just looked as if it was going, what are you looking at, you know, that kind of a way.
And it just, the hand just went to the grass and just, goodbye.
And, you know, I did feel a little bit Was it considering, you know, I reckon if I had shown it any threat at all, it would have taken me out.
But I wasn't there to harm it.
I didn't.
If I had tried to run it over, maybe it had have, you know, it's hard to say.
Okay, so when it turned and sort of leapt, did it leap away or did it walk away?
As it went, it kind of stepped into the hedge.
It was one big step and as it made that step, as if something goes into warp drive, it kind of stepped forward and as if it bolted, it was gone.
If you know what I'm saying.
Okay, and did it go like, I don't know if you've considered this, but did it go interdimensional?
In other words, did it disappear or did you actually see it fade away like a normal thing, whatever it was, even if it was going fast?
In other words, did you get a feeling like, and was it running over the hills in that case or did it sort of literally fade from sight?
As it went through the hedge, It disappeared.
That's the way I can describe it.
So I asked myself this question, did it go into like a portal or some kind of gate or something?
Because the speed just went bang, you know, it was just gone.
And I did look, well, you looked at the side as you're driving up and there was nothing there when I came back up that road, you know.
Obviously it had gone, you know.
Right, but you have revisited this area since then, you said, right?
And have you, I mean, I don't know if you have, you know, you're in this organization called, well, what is it called?
Irish something investigators?
Yeah, see, I had got in touch with a group at the very beginning.
I've spoken to the Northern Ireland UFO Society and then I was with him for a while and then I've left that and I've decided to start my own Ireland UFO Investigation Society and set up a site for people to come forward and report any stories they have so that we can put them out there for people to To see
if they have any footage of anything at all.
The reason I'm asking you that is because I don't know if you've brought any of those people to this to the place or if anyone has gone out there but you know there are places that in Ireland and England are really this is rampant in that area but have a lot of portals what are called portals and if you have somebody Who is sensitive, they can tell you if there's a portal there, actually.
I could, for example, if I went there.
Just because I have a sensitivity in my hands.
And for some reason I can sense electromagnetic and a change of energy in things.
And so did you ever have a person report to you or go into that area of the road and see if there actually was a portal in that area?
No, I haven't had anybody that can kind of feel that kind of thing.
I've had a couple of people go out there with me just to have a walk around.
I've had a person that goes with me with the drone to have a look at the area as well.
I go down there.
There was a few days ago I went and when I do drive down there, there's occasions I'll stop on the spot Where it happened.
And it just, you know, to have that feeling of going, you know, this is where it was.
There's a tiny part of me that fears, you know, like I can stop at the very spot, more or less, you know, exact where it was at that hedge.
You know, but to this day, hopefully, you know, I'm hoping it'll appear again.
Some people say, why do you hope that'll happen?
Okay, but you've had a number of things happen to you, and I'd like to talk about those things as well, and also things that might have happened to you in your early past, in other words, when you were a child, that sort of thing, and whether you remember any kind of...
Anything from that time.
So maybe you could start with that, you know, your early childhood and talk about whether or not you had interactions at that point and then kind of fast forward for today or whatever it is you'd like to since this sighting and what things that have happened to you because it does appear that you're having some kind of ongoing things.
Contact, if you want to call it that.
I'm not sure what you would call it.
I can tell you of...
When this encounter happened to myself, after that, it makes you think back of other things had happened, you know.
But you don't think much of them as the years go on.
You think there's tiny little things and you just go, nah, what was that?
I can remember back when this had happened, I'd spoken to my mum and my dad and I said to them, I can remember...
When I was about 10 and we were driving down towards my auntie's house, mum's sister, that my mum and dad had seen something like on the road as they were driving and it was dark, you know, in the lights.
And at that point in time, my mum said that she did not speak about it because it wasn't a thing, you wouldn't have spoken about things like that back then.
And they decided that it was spoken in the house because I remember We wanted to know what it was about.
They refused to go into it.
It was just, you know, there are things happening.
They've seen something back then.
Over the years, you know, I've seen...
Some people will say to me, is this true?
It is totally true.
I was in a house with a partner at the time.
And I was sitting in the living room, looking directly across, and you could see the door that ran into the kitchen.
And she said to me at that point, did you see that?
She's seen a shadow.
I seen it going into the kitchen.
It was a grey woman with her hair tied back in a plait.
That's going on to a different thing.
You know, it's not an UFO, it's not an AT. But I'd seen that.
And, you know, that happened.
And that'll stay with me forever, you know?
So it asks me the question, are some people able to, some people are able to see things, others not, you know?
I was talking to one or two people before about this year and I was unwilling to go into it.
I think I will talk about it.
So, yeah, I just asked him about his childhood and also whether he'd had a history of abduction and seeing UFOs and whether he had a history of even memories of marks on his body and whether he was familiar with Project Camelot and the Secret Space Program and various things of that nature.
Yes, since that happened to me, that Sanyuki wrote Incident, I was unwilling to talk about it because Coming out in the open with the story of seeing something was, you weren't sure how people were going to take it, react it.
But I did wake up one morning and I've sent you the picture of my arm, Kerry.
I don't know if you have it there.
It was, I had bruises.
I woke up, basically it was Sunday morning, woke up and I could feel this pain in my arm.
My left arm and there was a bruise running along it and a puncture mark.
I took a photograph of it straight away to see if I could capture it.
I do have it on the phone and I can give you the date of that.
I should have got you the date of when it actually happened but it is on the phone.
And there was other wee yellow bruises on my forearms.
You could say finger marks as it looked to me at the time.
And for weeks, excuse me, for weeks afterwards, the pain, it was an aching pain in my arm where this puncture mark was.
And I was trying to figure out what would I do about this?
Do I speak to somebody about it?
Do you go to your doctor?
No, I didn't want to go.
Just keep record of it happening.
Okay, but that was, and I'm sorry, I don't have the picture here, but are you saying that was relatively recently, is that right?
That was after what happened, yeah, that was after what I'd seen on the rodeo.
All right.
How shortly after, do you know?
A couple of months after, yeah.
Okay, and has it happened again since then?
I have woken up one morning with A couple of bruises, but I didn't take too much notice of it because there was no puncture mark, you know?
So I was going, okay, we'll leave it at that.
But that's the scary one, having that mark going into my arm.
I will send you that picture again if you can't find it there.
And if you want to share that, then...
Yeah, because we had a bit of trouble with Skype earlier, so I wasn't sure.
Maybe you put it on this sort of...
I don't know if that's person trying to impersonate me or what's going on, but...
Okay, so you had this happen, like, in terms of your body recently, but when you were a kid, did you have any...
Do you remember any marks then or any like when I say a history of abduction?
Like I was abducted in a recurring fashion from what I understand and I have a sort of there's a thing that happens during it a loud buzzing sound which is very common in abductions for one thing and there were some other aspects of it that were kind of similar every time it happened so In your case,
do you have anything like a repetitive, even a repetitive nightmare as far as when you were young?
No, I can't think of anything in that kind of a way.
I can remember once driving, I must have been about 18 at the time, driving and it was dark and I can remember Closing my eyes a couple of times, and opening them again, telling myself, go away.
It was two red eyes, as if it was in the car, you know, looking at me.
And I was going, go away, you know, you're not there.
And I was begging for it to go away, and eventually it did.
So I'm going, what was that?
That's my first experience of something strange, you know, as if something was watching you, you know, that kind of a way.
Well, it sounds like you might be quite sort of psychic or intuitive.
Do you, is your, either of your parents shown any sort of abilities in that area?
No, no, they don't talk about Anything, you know, like that there.
What about your brothers and sisters?
No, they don't say anything at all.
When I first came up with this story, they were like...
But you're in Ireland.
I mean, you know, Ireland is notorious for this kind of thing.
How can they...
You do know that Ireland...
I mean, it's a very, very...
You know, you guys have a history in that way, right?
Mm-hmm.
See, with seeing something and you see something in the house, you tell the story.
I think there's been that many people that would turn around and tell somebody a story, I've seen this, that or another, and laugh about it.
I think people tend to not believe, you know, that you have seen something.
They do tend to kind of go, you're having me on, you know.
But no, the way I would say about What's happened to me and the things that have happened to me, I wouldn't go out.
I wouldn't speak about it like this if it hadn't.
Because why would you?
You wouldn't spend the time...
Well, you are doing it, but would you say it's because you saw this being that your sort of life has changed, your approach has changed?
I used to be, before that, the way I would describe it is, there are lots of people out there that have...
have worries.
You know, you get up every day and people can be anxious about things and worry about day-to-day things.
It could be money.
It could be anything, you know, in life.
And you don't know how your day is going to turn out and this, that or another.
But since that happened to me, I used to be slightly anxious.
You know, probably everybody are.
I don't have that anymore.
That day, as soon as I seen that day, I picked up my kids and...
As if everything was washed away.
I was so kind of, in a sense, relieved.
But it had shown itself to me.
It was as if it showed itself.
It took away everything.
As if it had given me to be a new person, in a kind of a way.
That's the way I would describe it.
That's very interesting.
So...
I can sit here today and talk about this year.
If it was before that had happened, and somebody asked me to do an interview with yourself, okay, it might not necessarily be about this, but about something else, I'd be as nervous as anything, you know, that kind of a way.
Oh, very good.
I know this is going to sound a little outlandish, but I think it's interesting to sort of go undercover, turn over a lot of stones and just see what might crop up.
Has it occurred to you that you might have a different electromagnetic signature?
That you might have acquired any special powers?
I know this sounds a bit absurd, but it can happen.
And the fact that you feel there has been a change in you, I guess even the change could be progressive.
It could even have triggered some of your DNA waking up.
People don't talk about this as these kinds of things can do, but actually...
You know, it's a life change on planet Earth, such as our life is so sort of prosaic in a certain sense, or some people's lives are.
So, do you feel anything like that?
I can tell you, I've been out a couple of times in the day, and I've gone to touch, it might be not really, you know, I've gone and touched somebody on the shoulder, and I've given them such an electric shock, nearly knocked them out.
Oh, right.
So your electromagnetic signature has changed.
That has happened a couple of times, and the person's turned around and said to me, get away from me, you know, because I've touched them on the shoulder.
It's gone up my arm, basically.
It's nearly knocked me back.
Right.
It's happened to me in the car, but maybe that's something that can happen to anybody, I don't know.
I can tell you since that has happened, there was one night I was out the back getting the clothes in from the line, and I've spoken to this to a couple of people.
It wasn't a dog of any sort because there was something, I was bringing the clothes in, And some people said, why do you not run up to the fence, to the hedge and go, where are you?
What is there?
I said, not a chance because it growled like something you've...
like some kind of a, I don't know, what you would call it.
You just heard this thing behind as if it was behind, just behind the fence.
I just had to run in the house out of the way of it.
Not hearing things like, you know, because I was saying to the kids, I'm not going out there tonight again.
Oh, really?
And so you didn't see it, you heard it, is that correct?
I did not want to see it.
There was something there.
I see.
It growled, and I'm talking, not just like, it wasn't a dog of any sort.
You know, it was something.
Fascinating.
Okay.
When was that?
I'm talking a couple of weeks ago.
Oh, right.
That happened.
Yeah.
Well, I think you might be kind of a fun guy to follow around.
No, just kidding.
You know, just because...
No, it's...
I mean, this is the reality that a lot of experiencers...
It doesn't just stop with the experience.
You know, it can expand from there.
And, in fact, those beings may be aware of you.
It's possible you're even, you know...
Having interactions with them.
Maybe they're, you know, I don't know.
But it's interesting.
I can tell you my daughter was in the car with me one evening.
It was her last year.
And I've got it on my phone.
You could see this light coming up in the sky and it was a bit like a...
It was sparkling, getting bigger, you know.
It was sparkling white, getting stronger.
And the next thing, it died out to nothing.
Gone.
And the next thing I said, it's moving again.
You could see that it was dim, very dim, moving across.
You couldn't see it on the camera at the time.
But then I said, there it is again, and it flashed as it came across the screen at the bottom.
At that point, I threw my phone.
I just dropped my phone down because my daughter was really, really upset.
She goes, let's get out of here, you know, because of what we've seen.
To me, I was just, oh yes, look at this here.
I've got something, you know, footage, you know, something.
But I can say, if you look, if you have a very clear blue sky in the evening, really light sky, there are quite a few things flying about here in Ireland.
If you look closely enough, you will spot it.
You just need to look out for it.
Well, I do agree with you, because I've seen, I mean, I was at a Greek island, taking actually a real vacation for a week, and we saw tons of UFOs.
They're just, you know, they're really, you know, just...
And I've done that before.
You just watch the sky at night when you have nothing else to do.
And you just see them constantly.
You know, sooner or later, they go by.
And you'll also see the satellites pass overhead from time to time.
But the UFOs are very common.
And they're very distinct.
You know, they stand out.
They don't...
And sometimes they start as stars and then they progress and become, you know, they'll move.
Like you think they're a star and they're stationary and then all of a sudden they'll start moving.
And me and my partner will both see it.
It's not hard to see.
It's very easy.
And that's just normal in my world.
But I think that, is that kind of what you're saying in a way?
We've seen them, I've been out, and I've seen them flying low, and I come across the sky with no noise at all, and you can see the lights flashing going across through the middle of it, and you're like going, whoa, look at that there, and there was one night I was going with my daughter in the car, you have helicopters flying in the sky.
It could be a police helicopter, right?
You might see one of them But when you see three or four flying in, there was one evening with three, there was three or four moving in the sky and it was a clear night and I was going, look at that there,
but I didn't have a camera good enough, a low-light camera to be able to zoom in and capture it, which I bought, which I do have at the moment, a camera that can zoom right in and capture, you know, that I do come across.
I'm very fond of With this UFO society now that I've formed, I have been going out on, I like to go out on night watches to capture, you know, if you've got a good clear night, to be able to take photographs and capture what's, you know, basically to get what's out there.
I'm wanting to go, there was quite a few, there's a story going back years up in the Sperrins Mountains here, of sheep being mutilated.
That's quite a gruesome thing to see.
It's been going on for years.
Some people say, you can't go up there.
That's too frightening.
There's too much danger for you.
But it doesn't fear me.
I want to go up there and let's go see what it is, you know?
Yeah.
Weird.
So, in terms of, I don't know, you have kids.
Do you think that they're, do they talk to you?
Do you think they're having interactions at all?
No.
I don't know.
They know what's happened to me that, yes, that I'm talking here tonight or, you know, whether they're watching it, they probably are.
As time's going on, you know, they know at the minute that I'm writing all the things that have happened to me, I'm writing it down, trying to put it in a, you know, into a little booklet or a wee little book so that I can read back one.
That's good.
Just to, you know, I've started compiling that together and it's quite interesting the way I look at it.
You know, going back to things like When I was in Wales before moving over here, it's an interesting one.
Twice it happened, hearing footsteps coming up the stairs and you lying in your bed.
It's a totally different thing and you couldn't move.
Something had come up the stairs and you couldn't breathe, you couldn't move and like nearly a minute or two goes by and you just can't breathe, you think you're going to suffocate.
And then whatever it is just lets you go.
You know, I've experienced that years ago.
I was in my 20s.
You know, it's like I can't explain it, you know.
Right.
Well, that's, you know, fascinating.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
There's just been a lot of things that have happened over time, as small as they might be.
So now the UFO in the picture that you sent, you did not take that shot, correct?
No.
Have you ever taken any pictures of UFOs?
I've got...
I'm actively at the minute I go out in the evening and take photographs of the sky.
Yes, I've got a couple of unusual ones of lights in the field.
You know, really bright lights coming up.
Right.
Because I have a low-light camera.
I'm just basically collecting them pictures and I can't wait for the day that when I... The camera I have at the minute is really good.
So the day when I actually get one, you know, up front in the sky that I can...
I'll share that one with you when I do get it.
Oh, I hope so.
So, you know, we have a chat room alongside this conversation.
And I'm going to ask the people if they would like to ask any questions of you, go ahead and put them in the chat.
And so that there's somebody, I mean, really weird.
Anyway, just...
I don't know why this...
There's some very weird person.
Anyway, just that person should know that you're not going to be able to have your stuff...
Shown on this channel because you're kind of doing some weird thing.
Anyway, uh, so try to be polite in the chat and, uh, and that would be great.
And then if you have any questions for Arvon, let's, uh, let's see them.
Uh, and if you don't mind and, uh, Someone wants to know, have you seen any creature more than once?
But you, in essence, said you might have, which is one was this couple that we talked about in the beginning.
Maybe this person wasn't there for that.
I don't know.
Go ahead.
I talk about these things because they have happened.
There has been, you know, those instances of things that have happened because, you know, you're on tonight and, okay, we'll talk about it.
I can talk about another one which I've told a couple of people over here about.
I was sitting in my living room and the way I can tell you it wasn't a person...
I told my neighbour at the time that this had happened.
You were looking through...
Well, I was sitting watching TV. I was on low and I knew something was at the window and this was after that encounter and this thing, when I looked through the blinds, I could see a shadow You could see the street lights, obviously.
You could see, you know, there's lights out there.
But this shadow was there, and when I looked closer, I could see it was standing there.
It was quite big.
And I pulled the blinds back, and it just went across the front.
And you could hear it pounding, you know, like pounding in the ground, as if it was weighing a ton weight.
You know, that's the way I describe it.
Boom, boom, you know, running.
What I do, I mean, at that point, it's just a case of check the doors, lock the doors, you know.
What is it?
You know, I've spoken to quite a few people about that day.
Lucky enough, that whatever it was, you know, it's never come back.
Okay, when was this?
That's after that encounter that happened, you know, that road, Taniyuki thing.
So we're talking, that happened in May 2016, so it's since that.
Since 2016, May of 2016.
Okay.
So there's a number of questions cropping up here in the chat, and somebody wants you to know that you are, I guess they want They think that you might need some comforting, so they want me to tell you you're okay and that we support you in your quest for truth, which is true.
We do, obviously, support you, which is why we do what we do, but just saying that is coming through in the chat, so that's very nice.
Some people are quite impressed with your honesty and your straightforwardness.
That I find that's quite shocking.
If somebody has problems, say, be it some medical problems, you know, in their lives, and they ask, they get support, yeah?
You know, they go to a GP and this or another, and there's support there for them.
Be it if somebody has marriage problems, it could be anything, you know.
There's support out there, and they come and help the person, don't they?
In my case, something like this happens to you.
There is nobody.
There is nobody that will come and you tell somebody's story.
There's nobody that will help you.
There's nobody that will say, are you okay?
Well, you have children.
Are you married?
No.
I was.
I see.
So that person is obviously not going to be around to say that.
So, what about your friends and the people in the organization that you're part of?
How do they react to you?
Oh, yeah.
Some people are okay with it.
Others aren't, you know.
Right.
Same with that kind of story.
Some people like you talking about it.
Others know.
You know, they don't want to talk about it.
It's...
It's a totally...
I think people are scared of you telling this kind of a thing.
Totally scared of it.
Right.
It changes their view of reality.
Well, certainly my channel and the people that are here listening, and actually I'm not seeing what the numbers are right this minute, but I imagine there's quite a few people on the show, and I know they're very interested.
And of course we talk about these kinds of things all the time, so it's great actually that you would come forward.
And I think it's wonderful that you started your own organization.
So did you start your own organization because you felt that the one that you were going to, I guess the northern one you called it, was not kind of approaching things in the way you thought they should?
Or why did you start your own organization?
Well, it was a case of some people just weren't getting on.
And I have a view of, I want to get the story out there.
I'm the kind of person that, because of this here, there's been so much of kind of close the door.
I look at things that, the way you look at it, if there's a story, if you don't talk about it, it's not going to get out there.
And for some reason, I thought they didn't want the story to go.
It wasn't going anyway, so I thought, you know, I want to get people in and tell people about this story and get other people in and there wasn't enough, like some night watches going on.
I would like, you know, the way I look at things, I would love to have a night watch once every month.
If there's any people that want to join, you know, get out there.
Sure.
Some people say that's not Why would you want to do that?
You know, it doesn't necessarily have to mean if you're doing a night watch, you're out there from nine o'clock at night till six in the morning.
It doesn't necessarily have to be that.
You know, you can be out there for like an hour, three hours, four hours.
You know, if you're lucky enough to catch something, you know, it's good.
Alright, now someone in the chat seems to want to know if during the encounter you smelled anything.
Was there a change in the air?
I don't know.
You were in your car.
We understand that.
But just a thought.
I guess someone is asking the question.
No.
There was no smell of anything.
Okay.
It probably...
I don't know.
It was a funny...
You know, at the time...
What came out of my mouth at the time was like...
I was saying, oh my God, look at you.
Look at you.
I was just like...
It was like, okay, I was frightened, but there was a part of me excited, delighted with, you know, a once-in-a-lifetime experience of going...
You know, we...
God, I've got it right in front of me.
There's two people that have said to me, you should have knocked it down.
What?
Who said that?
Who would say that?
There's a few people who say it.
Why did you not just knock it down?
Oh my God.
Really?
You have the evidence.
Yes, you have the evidence.
Oh God.
That's quite true though.
You would have something.
If you were lucky, but...
I don't know.
It would be, you know...
I've never been brought up to harm anything.
Right.
Couldn't do it.
Yeah, absolutely.
That's really bizarre.
I'm going to look through some more questions here, but I do want to ask you something that also might sound like a strange question, but...
Do you feel or did you feel a relationship to this being such that do you actually feel that there has been or even when it happened did you feel a recognition a camaraderie a sense of you know that you might know this being or did you feel any kind of Since then,
I know it sounds a bit strange, but you seem to be a little bit bonded with this creature, for lack of a better word.
I'm wondering if you kind of sense that or feel that.
I don't know.
You could go into a lot of things.
It could be quite upsetting for some people, you know, if you did go into it.
Nothing's going to be upsetting to my audience, believe me.
We're used to covering, you know, very bizarre things.
So there's a lot out there.
But, you know, I mean, if you don't want to answer the question, I don't want to make you uncomfortable.
Maybe it's food for thought also for the future.
In other words, have you thought of communicated caning?
With it telepathically?
Is it communicating with you telepathically?
That sort of thing.
I've been thinking to myself, is it something that's there with me on a daily basis or something like that, you know?
But, you know, could it have been...
It's been said to me, do you believe in...
I'm going to say this here, but you might go, do you believe in angels?
But how can that be an angel, do you know?
It had a tail.
And then somebody else said to me, angels don't look like what we believe they are.
And then I'm going, okay, you know, nobody knows.
You can drift off into a couple of directions, you know, thinking about the whole thing.
Right.
But, you know, I have to say, and I just want to give you credit for this, but I think you are quite a psychic intuitive and maybe you haven't kind of acknowledged that about yourself.
It sounds like even before this encounter you probably...
Probably were.
For example, you saw a ghost.
You saw this gray-haired woman, so-and-so.
I've seen ghosts.
Psychic intuitives will have a whole litany of things that they experience and see.
And you seem to sense when you've got some negative entity in your midst.
You seem to have an awareness.
So being a psychic intuitive...
And everyone has these abilities, okay?
It's not like trying to put you on a pedestal.
It's just simply saying, as a psychic intuitive, you do seem quite sensitized and you do seem like there is something there, some relationship that you have with this being.
And maybe it's a group of beings, you know, who knows?
Have you thought of being regressed at all?
Two people said that to me about that day and yes, I think I wouldn't mind maybe trying that just to see what comes out of it.
You talk about that, I can remember sitting outside a house once, picking my daughter up and I didn't fall asleep and there was a period of 40 minutes.
One minute I was looking at the clock and the next thing, 40 minutes had gone by in a blink of an eye.
People talk about that you had been taken, you know, that kind of way.
But no, there was nothing to show me, to indicate that anything had happened at that time.
That was before what had happened to me on that road.
There's a lot of things.
I kind of write them down.
I can remember these little things going on or what had happened.
Well, that's actually a good idea.
And I hope you'll write a book.
I hope you're writing a book and that would be great because I think people would be very interested to hear all of your stories.
Sometimes I sit down and it kind of You want to talk about it.
I can say this.
I don't know.
I've never said it to anybody before.
I can remember when I was growing up and you would have been sitting.
Some people say if you can hear a buzzing in your ears that, I don't know if there's any truth in this, that there's a spirit close to you.
Like a buzzing, constant buzzing.
But it goes away.
I don't know anything, you know, about that.
Okay.
And there was times that I can remember sitting in a room.
It could have been in the class when I was at school.
And the whole room would have gone small.
Everything would have gone really small, as if I was sitting way up high.
Wow, yes.
Everything was a way out there.
I was trying to reach out to them.
But there was nothing wrong going on.
I could hear the buzzing.
I was sitting up high away from it.
Right.
Well, there is the ability to connect with your higher self.
Sometimes it's called your avatar.
In other words, it's your true self.
And there is a sensation of kind of going up high.
So that's actually true of meditation.
And the yogis describe this sort of thing.
It's just that in Western society we don't talk about it much, but you know, that's absolutely a real phenomena.
So, interesting.
I can say one other thing to you.
You talk about these different things, you know, happen to people.
I can remember walking into a house one day and looking at something in the room, a fireplace And I looked at it and then I had to sit down in shock because I knew I'd seen it before.
It's quite an emotional moment and when I think about it now it's quite emotional.
I could remember I'd seen it.
I'd seen it when I was in school.
The image of the flash of the fireplace.
And I sat down at that point and I went, I've seen this before.
But you think about it, how could I have seen the flash of, you know, my future, you know?
Something way on.
You know, it's a mystery.
Okay, so are you saying that you had, you know, like a flash forward or a deja vu, what I call, can be called a deja vu?
A flash forward, yeah, because I can remember I was walking down the corridor.
It was like in school.
It was high school.
It was third or fourth year.
But on this glimpse of, you know, you see things go, you know, things that are, you know, you can remember that you'd seen it.
You saw that moment when you were in high school.
Is that what you're trying to say?
I've said that to a couple of people.
That's fine.
Yeah, that's very...
Actually, you know, we're all...
In my view, we're all time travelers by nature.
So I see the future all the time and then I arrive at the moment and it happens in front of my eyes.
And I've actually seen...
It's like a little film strip coming true.
And you do feel moments of...
You're at somewhere and you get that shivering feeling...
Deja vu.
You look at something and you go, you've seen it before.
A lot of people get that, don't they?
Yes.
Yeah, that's absolutely true.
Yeah, very good description of it as well.
So, I'm just looking through here in terms of If there's any direct questions, it helps if you put them in the chat as, you know, caps, because it's hard to tell, sort of pick them up out of the chat.
Also helps if you have a question mark.
Oh, someone wants to know if you've heard of Eamon Ansbrough, who I have interviewed.
I've heard of him, but I haven't really gone into the, you know, looking at any to...
Yeah, a bit about his stories.
Well, he's an astronomer, an Irish astronomer, and I have actually a couple interviews with him.
He and a couple, I guess, English astronomers are trying to contact ET or versions of ET. In fact, they think they have contact.
I don't think it's a good idea.
But it's using advanced, I don't know, it's actually a quantum mechanical device.
So it's quite sophisticated.
Sorry?
Yeah, I've read something about that.
Yes.
Yeah.
Did you also, were you interviewed by Miles Johnston?
Yes, I did that until last year.
That was the first time I spoke out about this here.
Going into an interview online and talking to him about it.
It was hard to think what people would react to it.
Since that day, The BBC Northern Ireland asked me to do an interview.
I was over at the Awakening Conference in Manchester last year and the BBC Northern Ireland were there.
They were filming a couple of different things and they were making a programme to do with UFOs and that kind of a thing.
And Coyne Murphy, he was presenting the show and they basically were having a night watch because I was with the The other group I was with at the time and we were on a night watch and they decided to feature my story in an interview on it.
That was the first time then it was on TV and it doesn't usually happen the BBC willing to put the story on TV. It was in the third program of the series and from that they Okay, it was a regional program at the time, but it was on catch-up, then you could have watched it.
But that clip is on YouTube.
Alright, okay.
Alright, so now somebody wants to know if you saw anything If seeing the alien, kind of along the lines, I guess, a little bit of what we've talked about, but in seeing the alien, did you have a sense of deja vu and or an image in your head before you ever saw it?
In other words...
Did you ever envision such a being looking like this or was this absolutely the first time such an image ever, you know, kind of cropped up into your mind when you saw it actually?
No, the first time, obviously I've seen these pictures, you know, you can, you'll watch a movie of any sort, could be 80 or whatever that's on it.
There's pictures on the web.
You think of a grey being a tall being, grey eyes.
No, but the body on this hair was, it was like a blue, very dark blue, and it was like a part that came down, you know, down like up there to the bottom, widened out, you know, like up there.
But, no, I've never seen anything like that before.
And the tail, it just like, it totally, It shocked me.
That's why I was saying at the time, oh my god, look at you.
Oh my god, look at you.
What is this?
It's not like anything seen in a movie before or that kind of a way.
Okay, and before the incident happened, you didn't get a flash.
I mean, I guess some people think, because you kind of sound like you are quite psychic, did you have a sense, even earlier in the day maybe, like that's a possibility.
I don't know if it is.
Sometimes when something momentous happens, we think back and then we realize that there were actually some...
I don't know, premonition type thoughts that came along or even things that happened in your life during that day which were different than other days.
A reason for seeing it?
Well, no, not necessarily, but a precog kind of thing.
In other words...
You know, you were super tense that day before, you know, in a sense you had a thing, an idea or a nervousness or maybe the opposite.
Maybe you were super calm that day.
You know, I mean...
I had been going through a difficult...
I can say it.
There's nothing wrong in it.
I had been going through a difficult time.
With my health, in a sense of suffering from really bad heartburn.
I can remember even that morning getting up, but I never thought anything in it that it's connected, this thing turned up.
When I'm driving along, I was struggling day by day because I was having really bad heartburn.
Well, so has this gone away since you had this experience?
What I've done since that...
No, the heart, you know, your health.
Has your health changed?
Yes.
I talk about this here.
I talk about seeing it.
But I've never spoken really into the real thing of it.
You know, I came out...
I was upset.
I get up that morning and I'm feeling pain.
A lot of pain.
From Harpoon, I just won't go away.
And I'm really upset.
And I just go away, just drive down the road.
And I'm just thinking, you know, when's this going to end, you know?
As if I want something to help me, you know, you want somebody to help you in some kind of way.
And bang, that turned up.
But the thing is, it turned up And it just turned around and went into the field.
But what I did after that, from that day happened, I was kind of looking at things going, you know, I don't talk too much about it because I kind of make up my own mind on the situation.
It came out of one side, went into the next.
That's the way it looked to me, you know, coming.
So I looked at Google Maps, you know, And from where it went into the field, you know, I just talk about seeing it, but I don't go into too much of the detail of how I feel of the way of the whole thing.
It went into the field inside.
And I look back at the Google and the maps, and I kind of put two and two together.
Was it there to tell me what to do?
Because at that point, I stopped drinking milk.
I don't get that problem anymore.
The way I look at it, in some kind of a way, when I was looking at the Google Map, the way it went into the field, there's so many farms that run along in a line, you know, when I was looking at it.
So I was thinking to myself then, was it trying to tell me, you know, Trying to give me some kind of a connection or something.
For me to find my way of fixing myself.
That could be the answer.
It was helping me.
I don't know.
Well, in a sense it sounds like you're You're getting this, like I'm always talking about, this connection that you seem to have with the being maybe, but also a sense that, you know, I think that anytime we connect with something outside ourselves, especially that perhaps we didn't know existed, so to speak, that has to widen your universe substantially, you know, your...
Even when people have a theory of things, if they don't ever see a UFO, I've actually, you know, there are people who write to me and say, I can't, you know, I never see UFOs, I can't see UFOs, or whatever.
And so they're like kind of lost in this no man's land of sort of believing they exist but never being able to see them.
In your sense, you kind of crossed a Rubicon, if you want to call it that, where you actually...
Had a very tangible experience.
You seem to have had other experiences, but this was very, you know, literally in your face.
You couldn't look away.
You couldn't think it away or, you know, something.
So it's mind-expanding, I mean, I believe.
So that sounds to be what you're kind of describing, a mind-expanding experience.
At the time, I was...
I was looking for answers with some things to do with that day, with my health a little bit.
I was trying to figure out why was I getting this pain.
And I kind of, as if I'd found a piece of a jigsaw and I put it in and decided I'm going to do this, stop this.
But that's the truth about it.
I'd seen it and I think it was there to help me.
You know, I really do, in a way.
You know, I can say, you know, why was it there?
I have to kind of put it in that it was, in some way, you know, there to help me in life because, you know, it appeared.
Right.
Well, I guess we've kept you long enough.
I do want to say to you that I think it's great that you are so forthcoming and making such an effort to share not only this experience but other experiences you've had and that takes a great deal of courage.
Some people may doubt you But that's their karma.
That's their issue.
You know what I mean?
It's not you.
I can say...
So that's important.
But the doubt is out there.
I can say this.
It's a big world and we have to live...
For myself, you have to get on with your neighbors.
You have to get on with people in your family.
You don't want anybody turning around saying to you...
You're talking a pack of lies.
I wouldn't...
I would never have spoken out about this if it hadn't happened to me that day in May 2016.
I talk about the other things because there are small little things compared to that big day that happened to me.
I come out and talk about it because it's important.
You know...
I said something to somebody not long ago, and it was along the lines of, you know, I would sit a lie detector test every day of my life, you know, because it's the truth.
You know what I'm saying?
Right.
Nobody would do that there, I'm just saying, because it would probably take too much time out of the day every day to do it, but I'm just telling you, that's the truth, you know?
Absolutely.
Alright, well, it's wonderful to talk to you, and I do appreciate, again, your time and great pictures as well.
I hope you will continue to contact us and let us know more about your journey as things happen to you, anything you...
If you publish a book, etc., and you want to come back on my show, talk about some other things as well.
I also think it's wonderful that you started your own organization.
I'm sure that's a great help to the people in your area, and so that's a great resource.
So please do stay in touch.
I do an Awaken Aware conference every year, assuming going forward it will happen again and again.
And it's at High Elms Manor in Watford, England, so it's not that far away.
And in fact, maybe we can have you as a speaker one time.
That might be really nice.
And that way you could have a reason for coming over from Ireland, but you're not too far away.
So again, thank you for coming on the show.
Thanks very much, Katie.
All right.
And everyone take care and have a great night.
And a great weekend, actually.
So, good night.
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