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Feb. 14, 2019 - Project Camelot

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DALE HARDER: PLEIADIAN FORMERLY WITH NASA and HONEYWELL

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	Thank you.
	Hi, everyone.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.
	And so already we're having some weird things go on.
	My guest wanted to be on video.
	He's on Skype, but he can't get his video to show up over the Internet.
	So at any rate, we're going to have Dale Harder with us.
	And What I'm going to do quickly is, let me see, I'll bring his, I guess his banner on the screen while I read just the shortest bio.
	It's very sort of succinct.
	And you can go to projectcamelot.tv and see what he has to say about himself.
	But it's pretty brief.
	He grew up in Huntington, Tennessee and Cleveland, Ohio.
	Born in 1955, a scientist, engineer, laser electro-optics specialist.
	Worked for NASA Lewis Glenn Research Center and Honeywell Aerospace Center Aircraft Division.
	He owns two companies, H&H Research, a laser company, and H&H or HHR, exotic speakers, audio speaker company.
	He attended Ohio State University, Cleveland State University, Case Western Reserve University, involved in UFOs and spirituality for over 60 years, a professional UFO investigator for 43 years, a member officer of the Cleveland UFOlogy Project.
	And the oldest UFO club in the world is what he says, started by a man named Earl Neff.
	So that is his very brief bio.
	And are you there, Dale?
	Yes, I am.
	Okay.
	Hi, welcome.
	I'd love you to give us a little more background on who you are, or who you thought you were, and who you think you are now.
	Well, after that auspicious beginning, thanks very much for having me on your show, Kerry.
	It's an honor.
	Unfortunately, we couldn't get the camera to work, and for the moment, the computer is holding.
	A little bit more about myself.
	Where would you like me to begin?
	Would you like me to begin to tell the story of who I am and what I am and why I'm in the position I am?
	Okay, well, you know, I have listened to your interview.
	You did one on Coast to Coast, so I have some ideas about that.
	Let's start off with when you first became aware Well, first of all, do you think you're pure Pleiadian or are you human Pleiadian hybrid?
	Well, at this point in time, I am Pleiadian hybrid.
	And that means that I am fully Pleiadian soul-wise, but I had to be born into a physical body to actually work here, live here, and stay here for a length of time.
	And that required a transitioning from at least 5D down to the 3D level that most of us experience here.
	Okay.
	Now, when did you become aware that you were Pleiadian?
	Actually, my memory, the funny story goes that I actually volunteered when I was still in the Pleiades.
	I was in a A group of people, a Vanguard group, if you will, that began some 60 years ago for people to come here and to help humanity to prepare to make the transition that we are going through right now, which is Ascension.
	And so I volunteered to be in that group and to come and to help with that mission.
	So I fully remembered it, and I remembered my home and my family and things like that, but So I volunteered for this mission, and at the time that we were on the ship, and we were getting ready to transfer, if you will, into human forms, and these things are arranged ahead of time with other souls, other people who will play parts in the program.
	And so at the last moment, I changed my mind.
	And I got scared and I said, no, no, no, I don't want to go, I don't want to go.
	And I remember my brothers and sisters literally pushing me out of the ship, saying, you've got to go, you've got to go.
	So I did and ended up here.
	And so I was born into a physical body.
	And at the age of three months, I was left for adoption, essentially on a doorstep.
	And I had no real information about me.
	I had a note with me.
	It said my name was David Larry.
	I had no last name.
	And so the note also said that I couldn't be given regular milk or formula that I had to be given goat's milk because I was allergic otherwise.
	But that was basically all that was known about me.
	So I was very fortunate that the people that adopted me My mother and father, they wanted children very badly.
	They were newly married, 20 and 21.
	And so my mother unfortunately couldn't have children due to some complications.
	And so, you know, one thing led to another.
	My father tells me that they had looked at many children and thought, you know, about adoption.
	And that when they saw me and he picked me up, he said, I smiled at him and I put my head on his shoulder and I went to sleep.
	And my father was just moved, and he says, this is the one.
	And so they took me home, and that's how it began.
	Okay, so let me understand what you mean by you were pushed out of a ship one minute, and you showed up on a doorstep in a, I don't know, in a basket or something like this.
	Yeah, I don't really know what happened.
	The people that created me, the man, the woman, they were not married.
	They had no relationship at that point.
	I was one of those things, but it was a situation that was used to create me.
	As I said, people work with others on a soul level, which is much higher level frequency.
	And all of this was arranged ahead of time.
	So I literally left from my light body and entered into the child With agreement to take a physical form in the 3D level that we have here.
	Okay.
	Now, how much do you remember of the Pleiades before you left or, you know, just in general?
	I have some general information.
	Some of it is cloudy, some of it, I'll tell you, I just absolutely do not know.
	I would love that clarification, but some things were kept from us or erased from us and other things were not.
	I do, you know, like I said, remember, I have a wife, I have children.
	I was some 750 years old in birth terms when I left.
	And so...
	Okay, so do you have past life memory?
	Not in Pleiades, no.
	Human past life?
	If you're 750, you were 750 Pleiadian or human years?
	Pleiadian.
	Okay.
	I'm getting a terrible feedback here.
	Every word I say is bouncing back again.
	Oh, you're kidding.
	I'm so sorry.
	Well, I'm not sure what to do.
	We cure you fine here, as far as I know.
	Okay.
	I'll put up with it.
	Yeah, that's very uncomfortable.
	I'm not sure why that's happening.
	Just typically.
	Yeah, I guess they're trying to throw you off your game.
	So, and I'm not sure, maybe I can do something with the angle of my mic or something like this.
	No problem.
	If it gets really bad, I'll let you know.
	But so as it were, you know, as it became, then I, I, I entered into the physical body and I was then a child having to go through the birthing process, the whole thing to get here.
	One of the things I can tell you is that I did remember how I got here.
	And I was also, I was born with what I'd like to tell people is a head full of knowledge.
	In other words, I knew a great many things, but I did not know what that meant.
	I literally had to grow into this knowledge and have experiences and learn It's been an adjustment, but it's also been a road of discovery as each time I come and have an experience for something else, I realize, hey, I already knew that, and this is why I knew it.
	So it's been a pretty interesting trip.
	Right.
	Now, do you know who Eddie Page is?
	Eddie Page.
	No, I can't say that.
	That name rings any bell to me.
	Alright, so you don't know about a group of children that supposedly came from the Pleiades here and were dropped off, perhaps a bit similar to you, and monitored by the military as they grew up.
	And there is, you know, a lot of controversy around the story so and so, but I interviewed him several times.
	There are some things that he thinks he's brought here to be talking about which has to do with things like Earth changes and he thinks we're going to have an invasion by the Draco.
	So, you know, but again, controversial.
	It is interesting because you claim to be Pleiadian as well and it may be that you're not from the same planet in the Pleiades.
	You know, there's more than one, right?
	Oh yeah, many more.
	I come from, my son is Tegeta, and I'm from the planet Hera.
	Okay, your son is what?
	It's called Tegeta.
	Okay, so that's a different planet?
	Is that what you're saying?
	No, that's the sun for the planetary system that I come from.
	As you know, in the Pleiades, the seven sisters, there's quite a number of stars.
	Of course, there's the seven main stars, but in reality, there's well over 700 stars in that cluster.
	Oh, right.
	And many of them do support life, and there are many different Pleiadian planets, okay?
	But in my case, I come from Tegheda, and the main planet there is Hera.
	Okay.
	What about Alcyon?
	Are you familiar with that one?
	Alcyone is the main sun for the Pleiadian system.
	Oh, okay.
	Sorry?
	That's, well, the one that we're actually, our sun, we call it a sister star, we're actually passing through the photonic energy of Alcyone.
	And so there is interaction, even though we're physically 445.8 light years apart.
	Okay.
	Well, in terms of the Pleiades and all of the planets, are they all, all the life forms, do you happen to know if they're all humanoid?
	I believe most of them are humanoid.
	I do not know all of the forms that are in that system.
	Okay.
	Sorry, I had to let my dog off.
	So, in terms of your journey here on Earth, was NASA, because you worked at NASA, were they aware of your Pleiadian background, do you think?
	They may have been.
	It wasn't something I necessarily talked about while I worked there.
	People knew of my interest in UFOs and different things like that, and also my work background, my ethics and things.
	But it wasn't the kind of thing that you want to bring up and really bother too many people with.
	Okay.
	Well, how did you get your job at NASA then?
	Originally, I started working at NASA in January of 1980.
	Even though I was an engineer and a technician and had various other capabilities, I was not hired at NASA as an engineer per se.
	I was hired really as an electronics specialist and started off working in electronics, repairing, troubleshooting, designing, etc.
	Working through all of that and then became a professional metrologist for NASA.
	And I was also working on the Atlas Centaur, the Atlas Agena, and I worked also on the shuttle.
	And occasionally they would send me to either Houston or to Kennedy.
	Okay, you worked on the shuttle that the astronauts took to the moon, is that what you're talking about?
	No, I worked on the space shuttle itself.
	Oh.
	Okay, what year was this?
	Okay, Okay, and then you left NASA in 92?
	Correct, and I went to work for Honeywell Aerospace in the aircraft division and was a radar specialist for military and commercial aircraft.
	Okay, now do you feel that you had, for example, special abilities that made it possible for you to do the jobs that you did for NASA? Well, yes and no.
	I guess I am highly skilled.
	I've spent a lifetime working to get those skills and so forth.
	And even as a child, I was always attracted to and wanted to work for NASA. And all of that was prepared for me or primed for me by a neighbor who was close friends with my father.
	And he worked for NASA. And he brought me all the mission patches.
	He brought me all the signed and autographed pictures from the astronauts, etc., etc.
	Took me there a few times to see NASA. And so, you know, that really primed my desire.
	I originally wanted to be an astronaut, but the requirements at that time, in the early 70s and 80s, were so stringent that I couldn't meet those requirements.
	And that's for wearing glasses and for height and weight, things like that.
	Because you did wear glasses?
	I did wear glasses since the age of six.
	Unfortunately, I had relatively poor eyesight.
	And they felt that, of course, if you lose your glasses while you're in space, that could be a bad thing.
	And I'm also 5'10", and the requirements at that time were 5'6", or 5'7".
	So that kind of negated my ability to get in and out of capsules, as it were.
	Okay, I didn't realize they had to be short.
	In the beginning, there were restrictions.
	Of course, that was relieved as the years went on later.
	Capsules got larger, and they found different things that they could do.
	But by that time, it was already too late for me to enter an astronaut training.
	Okay, so you say that you knew about your mission kind of like since you were a child?
	Yes, actually, it's kind of a strange sort of thing.
	Even to this day, I'll be absolutely honest, I can't tell you that I know word for word or letter to the letter what my actual mission is, but I do know that, like I said, I was sent to serve, and by serving that means to serve others and to help people to make the transition For Ascension,
	to realize that we are all one, that it is a question of understanding density, and not dimension, but density, or everything is energy and frequency.
	And by changing our frequency, we can then change where we are as far as Ascension is concerned.
	And that's what's going on right now.
	So my mission has been partly to educate people in that regard.
	Okay, now when did you become aware of these kinds of concepts?
	At what age?
	Well, I would say probably between four and five years, I had already had quite a bit of an understanding of it.
	I used to run around the house at a very early age, telling my parents that I knew I wasn't going to be here very long, that I would have to leave in a relatively short time.
	I originally had contracted for what would amount to about 40 years on the planet, and I find that I love Earth, I like humanity, and I like being here.
	I enjoy every minute of life, and so I asked to stay and to continue to serve as long as I could.
	That was granted, but I was also informed that there would be consequences and the consequences would be that because I wasn't designed to stay that long that my body would deteriorate and I am having certain problems at this point in time.
	Okay, are you familiar with Kundalini energy?
	Yes, I was trained in the Kundalini.
	I had the practice I had a guru of an Indian mother and actually received the transference of the Shaktipat and had the Kundalini awakened probably 20 years ago.
	Okay, you mean when you were...
	how old are you now again?
	I just turned 64 January 21st.
	Okay, so that's pretty old to have activated Kundalini.
	Most people reach that age I activated my Kundalini when I was in my 20s, for example.
	So you waited a long time.
	Is there a reason for that?
	No.
	I guess there's been so many things that I have been trained in and gone through.
	When I was younger, of course, I came in with certain abilities.
	I have empathic skills.
	I have psychic abilities.
	I often do things with telepathy and so forth.
	I've been able to heal since I was a very young child.
	I thought that most people were like me, but it turns out that they weren't.
	And as a consequence, other children knew I was different.
	They were absolutely scared or petrified of me.
	They wouldn't come near me.
	And so I tended to grow up pretty much by myself.
	And so I lived with nature.
	I lived with science and knowledge.
	And I You know, but it wasn't a problem for me.
	I did my best to adapt.
	And I had many masters along the way teaching me many different things.
	I also, there were many, many instances, I can't even begin to tell you how many, where people would come up to me and tell me, you know, hey, you're not from here.
	We know you're different.
	You're not from here.
	And they would just walk up out of the blue.
	For 56 years of my life, it was like that.
	I always knew I was different, but I didn't do anything really about that.
	It took me that long before I finally decided to accept it, to embrace it, and say, all right, I've got to get on with my mission.
	This is what I'm here to do, etc.
	And that's what I've done.
	Okay, but you must have had interaction with the military.
	I was actually number 32 in the Vietnam draft.
	But when I went in, they rejected me on a medical basis.
	I went in on 1A and they put me on 1H. And I actually wanted to go, but they wouldn't let me.
	Okay.
	But that doesn't quite answer my question.
	You know, before the show started, you...
	You told me there was a car pulled up in your driveway and all your internet and everything was interfered with right before the show.
	Is that right?
	Just before the show tonight, I went in to get a cup of coffee to come into my office to sit down here and start working.
	And I noticed that there were lights in the front and I looked out the window and there's a car sitting right in front of the house in the driveway, just sitting there with somebody in it.
	And, you know, so I turned on the front light and shortly after that, the car sped away.
	And I mean, he didn't take us any time doing it.
	He got out and hurt.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Slow down, slow down.
	So why?
	Are you known to be, do you have any special powers?
	Was he afraid you might do something to him?
	Why would he be so afraid?
	Well, I do have certain abilities, but I have never used anything to harm another.
	Okay.
	I simply, I put up my blocks and I put up the Any messing as much as possible.
	But, you know, after I did that, then they left so quickly, I kind of went, uh-huh.
	So I came into the bedroom at the office to get ready for the show.
	And I have two full PCs on my desk, two 17-inch screens and two keyboards, two everything.
	And I tried to get online and the computer had absolutely been corrupted.
	I couldn't even get the thing to turn on.
	I couldn't get online.
	I couldn't get Skype to work.
	And as you can see, we couldn't even get the camera to work tonight.
	And yet the Skype and everything worked this morning and worked last night because I used it.
	Okay, so they probably sent a pulse at your computer.
	Is your computer recovered or did the other one work?
	Or how did you get online with me today?
	I'm on my main computer at the moment, and it's still acting a little wonky.
	The other computer is running, but I don't have Skype on it.
	So, like I said, I managed to get it up and running.
	I literally, within 15 minutes, had to reload Skype, reload the Windows from memory core, do a system dump, And all kinds of things just to get online.
	And I'm sitting here sweating bullets thinking, oh my God, oh my God.
	I wouldn't be able to get on in time with you.
	But I did get on.
	Okay.
	Now, are you aware of the people that run Coast to Coast?
	Yes.
	Beyond the scenes, I'm talking.
	I'm sorry?
	I said behind the scenes.
	Well, probably not because I... Tell me that there's something more than I don't know.
	I only know some of the people that work there, and of course I know George, but beyond that, no.
	Okay, but if you're so psychic, why wouldn't you know?
	I guess I just don't delve into that stuff.
	I tend not to go where I don't need to go.
	Really, I just don't think too much about it.
	I mean, I'm fully aware that there are plenty of negative I will certainly take a defensive stand if I have to when I know I'm being attacked.
	But, you know, I have read about so much of it, been exposed to so much of it through my entire life.
	I just don't need to concentrate on it.
	I tend to think that what you think about is what you draw.
	Well, I mean, that doesn't matter.
	I mean, you know, it's a perfectly decent question.
	Either you know it or you don't.
	You know, you could just say yes, and then, you know, we could move on.
	But you don't have to say, you know, that, oh, you try not to think about it.
	That's kind of like blocking it.
	That's kind of like being in denial.
	I'm not sure where that's going.
	If a car came into your driveway because you're going to talk to me, That makes me think that there's somebody who's afraid of what you might say.
	What might you say that they don't want you to say?
	Nothing that I can think of.
	I don't consider myself to be that important.
	I'm just another worker with another mission and more information to tell.
	But this is not the first time this has happened.
	All right.
	Did it happen when you went on Nori's show?
	Not that I recall, but then I didn't pay any attention either.
	It just was one of those things where tonight I happened to be where I could see out the door and saw this car.
	There have been many other nights when this has occurred as well, and there were other things that I was doing.
	But with George's show, no, I didn't notice anything.
	Right.
	Okay, well, so in terms of the Secret Space Program, how familiar are you with that?
	I can only tell you what I personally know and believe myself, because I will tell you anything that I say, it is not on behalf of NASA or otherwise.
	They do not condone what I do nor otherwise.
	So it's strictly my opinion.
	That being said, I am relatively familiar with most of what's going on out there.
	Okay, are you familiar with William Tompkins?
	Yes, I am.
	Okay, how familiar?
	Did you hear my interview with him, for example?
	Yes, I have.
	Okay, and have you ever met him?
	No, I have not.
	I kind of talked to him from a distance, you know, like at various meetings and things, but no, I am really not familiar with William.
	Okay, but you know what he has to say, right?
	Yes, yes.
	Would you agree with him?
	A great deal of it, yes.
	Anything particular you don't agree with?
	Off the top of my head, no.
	Let me see here.
	Well, how about humans being used as food by the reptilians?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, I definitely agree with that one.
	Okay, and what about the link-up with...
	The secret space program, reptilians on the one side, Pleiadians on the other, helping our secret space program basically get off the ground and then being sabotaged along the way by the reptilians behind the scenes.
	How do you feel about that?
	Well, I definitely think that the reptilians were the ones that gave Von Braun and the rest of the people a lot of the information that they used.
	I believe that Germany, my personal belief is that I believe that Germany actually had the bomb, they didn't have a way to deliver it, and I believe that we actually did, they did create the anti-gravity craft at that time as well.
	I even met Werner Braun twice, and I got to ask him that question.
	And when I did ask him, he just simply looked at me and told me that they had help.
	And I asked him, well, who helped you?
	And he just pointed up and said, they did.
	And that was it.
	Okay, and being psychic?
	That was in 1970.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, that was in 1973.
	All right, so being psychic as you are, and supposedly Pleiadian as you are, were you told anything about the beings from Aldebaran that were helping the Nazis?
	No.
	Nothing?
	No.
	Have you heard the name Aldebaran?
	Have I heard the name Aldebaran?
	The name, yes.
	Aldebaran.
	Oh, yes.
	Absolutely, I've heard it.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Yeah, but I do not have any direct contact with them that I am aware of.
	Okay.
	So you met Von Braun, and so are you aware of the underground bases?
	Yes.
	All right.
	Have you been in any of them?
	Not to my knowledge.
	Well, that's an interesting answer.
	I mean, like when you go to sleep at night, do you dream like every other human?
	Yes, I do.
	I have some incredibly lucid dreams, in fact.
	Sometimes they're so strong or so lucid that it's hard to tell if I'm either in a dream or I'm in reality.
	Okay, do you agree that reality is multidimensional?
	Absolutely.
	Alright, and do you also agree that that means you may have simultaneous incarnations going on right now?
	Oh yeah.
	Yeah, we're definitely multiple.
	Alright, so what about the idea that you would, or one of your others, doubles, whatever you want to call it, would have possibly gone into underground bases?
	Would you be aware of that?
	Not yet, and I'll tell you why.
	It is because at this point in time, I do not have a real strong tie, and it sounds silly, with my higher self.
	Why not?
	I don't know.
	And I have spent a great deal of time attempting to do that, to make that connection.
	But for whatever reason, it has not been permitted.
	Either I don't remember it, or it's not being permitted.
	And that Okay, so in your dream life, do you have, like if I said to you, can you remember your past life?
	And you know, I understand, I think people listening do understand, that if time and space are simultaneous, then these things are still going on right this minute, so you can access those other lives in a meditational state or whatever.
	Have you ever tapped into any of those other lives?
	No, I've tried I can't tell you how many times I have attempted to do that.
	To my knowledge, like I said, I have not been successful, and I do not know why.
	Okay, now, do you travel?
	Have you traveled the world at all?
	Yes, I've traveled a great deal of the world.
	Okay, and actually, I think I recall your wife is Chinese, is that correct?
	That's correct.
	Right.
	Oh, we have that picture of you on the Great Wall, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, okay.
	So when you traveled, did you ever have a sense that you've been somewhere before?
	Yeah, there are times when I've had that deja vu feeling, yes.
	Okay.
	Well, that's the beginning of tapping into your past lives when that happens.
	Right.
	So I'm sorry if it seems like I'm interrogating you.
	It's okay.
	I'll answer as honestly as I know how.
	No, I mean, it's just that, you know, this is kind of what I know what you've done and put out there.
	But what I'm interested in is what you haven't put out there, if you can appreciate that.
	And that's okay.
	Perhaps you will, in the process, help me to tap into something I haven't gotten to yet.
	Okay.
	Well, you told me you had activated Kundalini when you were around in your 40s, it sounded like?
	Yeah.
	Well, let me see.
	My daughter is now 33 years of age.
	She was born in 1985.
	So the Kundalini would have been activated about 1981.
	Okay.
	Now, normally with Kundalini, it would facilitate spontaneous recall of past lives.
	And you would have to also be fairly good at meditating.
	Are you good at meditating?
	I would say no.
	I'd really give it an effort, but no.
	And that's the one thing that I really want to do.
	So I do practice it daily.
	Okay.
	I wouldn't say I'm really good at it, though.
	But with the Kundalini, I have had many experiences.
	Well, give me an example of what you mean when you say that.
	Before my daughter was born, when I originally got married in 1983, my wife and I had made a pact that I did not want children.
	And she agreed.
	Okay, I knew that I had not come for that purpose.
	Some people are children people, some are not.
	I love children to teach and to work with, but I didn't want to raise one.
	I had too many things that I knew I had to do, and I was concerned about the time and the love and the things that I would have to do that, you know, and I said, am I ready for this?
	So at that time, I felt I wasn't ready.
	All right, but anyway, so during that time, Before, I guess, well, what my wife did was she went off with a pill, and she decided to get pregnant without telling me.
	And I had an experience with Kundalini, and I was doing a meditation, and a young woman came to me in my state, and she told me who she was, that she wanted to be my daughter.
	And I saw what she looked like exactly.
	Her eye color, hair color, size, weight, the whole thing.
	And she asked me, she said, can I come through and be your daughter to you and your wife?
	And on that level, I was ecstatic.
	I agreed.
	I said, yes.
	Okay.
	When I got back out of that state, I remembered, I said, well, that was like a really weird dream, you know.
	And as it turned out, when she was born, it was exacerbated.
	The same way that looks the same way the whole thing.
	Now later on I had another experience where I was meditating and the Kundalini was very powerful and I actually experienced living through an atomic bomb explosion and I saw and felt my skin vaporize,
	my blood boil, my bones disintegrate, By this enormous power, this light and the heat and the intensity.
	Yet, even though I was consumed, I still had awareness.
	I still had identity, but I wasn't physical.
	And that was very, very traumatic.
	But nonetheless, that was one of the reasons.
	Now, that might be one of the reasons why you are having maybe some blocks with your higher soul.
	What happens during an atomic, the reason they don't want humans to let off atomic weapons is because when humans are involved in that, they're soul fragments.
	And you could then have to, in a sense, find the other soul fragments and they have to reunite.
	So it may be that you, you know, that's what you're doing here also.
	So that, yes, you have a mission, but on top of it, you're sort of re-congealing with the other soul fragments.
	It is an interesting process.
	I would highly recommend that you go to power places on the planet.
	When I say that, do you know what I mean?
	Yes, absolutely.
	And I have done that.
	And I can tell you that I believe that I'm actually living on a vortex where I'm at.
	Oh, fair enough.
	Okay.
	What area is that?
	You don't have to tell me exactly, but what state are you in?
	The reason I can tell you that is that a lot of times when I'm out and talking to my people and calling for the ships and so forth, I'm very close with the Earth.
	I'm very close with nature and Gaia.
	It's a living entity to me.
	And I can ask her to do things with the clouds or clear the sky.
	But when the clouds come in directly around our house where I sit and I look, I notice that they come in from the east, they come in from the west, or they come in from the north or from the south, and as they get to where I am, they will begin to circle in what looks like a hurricane or a vortex.
	And I've noted this a hundred times if I've seen it once, and so I tend to think that that may be an energy vortex in this location.
	Okay.
	Well, are you able to, for example, have you been to places like some of the standard ones, Stonehenge, anywhere, Egypt, this sort of thing?
	No, I have not been to Stonehenge or to Giza.
	I would have loved to have been, but have not.
	Close, but not there.
	I have been in other places where there was Oh, really?
	Okay.
	Well, like I say, one of the ways to jumpstart your activation of the kundalini and at the same time, you know, Kind of give yourself a little more power so that you can reach your higher self and have more of a through line is to go to those places and meditate.
	And there will be certain ones that you're attracted to and you should probably go there.
	In terms of Egypt, now I sense you have a definite Egypt connection.
	Have you been there?
	I mean, you said close.
	What's close?
	I have not been there, but I can tell you that I have always had a connection or feeling for Egypt.
	I always had a connection to Japan.
	I always had a connection to China or Asia.
	And some of those in past life experiences have been brought out with regression.
	And I've also had a connection with the American Indian.
	For the Indian people in general, because it turned out that I was an Indian medicine man achieved in a past life.
	I was a samurai in another past life, and I was also a monk in Japan and so forth.
	So I've had all of those kind of feelings and experiences my entire life.
	Okay, well, but you said you had no past life recall when I asked you.
	So are you telling me that other people have told you this about yourself?
	Yeah, yeah.
	And that was done, like I said, professionally.
	So myself, have I had any just come up?
	No, they were strictly feelings.
	As far as verifying those, the ones that I did have on the regressions, those were professionally done, yes.
	Okay.
	Alright, that's interesting, but it's kind of not, it may not be accurate, you know, with all due respect to the people that you're dealing with.
	There could be shades of accuracy in there, but, you know, you need to really have kind of a strong verification from within.
	You're the only one who can truly know that.
	all right well that's very interesting now you came here to help with ascension what is your understanding of ascension well my understanding at this point is that we are a hologram within a hologram and that basically what we're trying to do is get out of this 3d level we're here for experience obviously but we're trying to ascend from this higher level and from More or less a prison,
	if you will, to get into the 5D level at least and beyond and take our place, you know, with our brothers and sisters that are out there.
	I think that we came from the stars and we're going to go back to the stars.
	You know, I knew from the moment that I was able to think here or even have any sense of who I was that I did not belong here, that I wasn't from here.
	I've known that my entire life as well.
	But, you know, so...
	The thing is to try and help people to look beyond the Babylonian money magic system, to stop being buried in their daily lives and to realize why they're here, why they're having these experiences, what they mean, and to not be trapped.
	This information that you're sort of telling me, this is not unknown.
	You appreciate that, right?
	This is generally, if I asked, you know, 10 people who thought they knew about Ascension, they probably say most of those things.
	Exactly.
	So tell me, where did you get this information?
	And in what way are you actually contributing?
	I mean, I don't know anything about your career in terms of ufology and all of that.
	So have you been on the circuit for a long time?
	Have you been speaking out at conferences and so on and so forth and writing books?
	In other words, how are you working in this way?
	Well...
	I have done a lot of lecturing.
	I have traveled.
	I have been in various places presenting the information as I understand it.
	Yes, but have I made any major contributions like Tesla or Tyco or Brahe or anything?
	No.
	Those days are over, I think, unfortunately.
	Well, how does contributing technology relate to Ascension?
	Really, technology is probably not the greatest of answers.
	Technology is a good thing, but you do not achieve ascension with technology, necessarily.
	Right.
	So why did you go there?
	You're bringing that up.
	So it must mean something to you.
	Is it because you're a scientist?
	Yes, I am a scientist, an engineer, that type of thing.
	But have my people come forth and told me, this is exactly your mission?
	No, they haven't.
	And that's another thing that I've tried to do is I've tried making direct contact for that purpose.
	And I get either indirect answers or no answers.
	Okay?
	So, I can't totally answer that.
	You know, what am I doing?
	Perhaps nothing.
	Well, you know, I wouldn't say that.
	I just, you know, I was just curious because, you know, like I don't know a lot about your background, and I was curious where this sort of emphasis would have come from.
	So have you written any books?
	Well, no, and I didn't really want to.
	You know, I look around in the UFO field and so forth and all the research going on right now, And it's about everybody infighting, everybody who wants top billing, everybody who's getting, are you getting paid more than me?
	Or, hey, how many books have you got?
	I'll be honest with you, I'm not interested in writing a damn book.
	But, there have been a few people who have approached me of late, over the last couple of years, who feel it is very important that some of the things that I have done And I finally agreed and said, yes, all right, you can write my bio if you think it's going to help somebody.
	But do I want it because I'm going to make a living at it or push my books at some conference?
	No, I'm not interested.
	When I go and I lecture at various places, whether it's in this state or any part of the world, if they pay me, I don't take the money.
	I generally give it back or I give it to charity.
	Or if I had to make a long trip, I might take a few dollars for gasoline.
	I'm not interested in making a living on this at all.
	Wait one second.
	So that would mean that you make money in another way?
	I do.
	Okay.
	And that's with your companies?
	My companies or with my career, yes.
	Or with what?
	My career.
	Which career?
	Well, that's what I did when I worked for NASA and for Honeywell.
	I no longer work for them.
	them.
	I'm retired at this point.
	So now I've earned the right to basically, you know, sit back and relax a little bit.
	I still run the companies and if we do some business there, but do I worry about it to draw a paycheck from the No.
	Right now my focus has strictly been on revealing what I know, pursuing what I know, trying to help those around me and anywhere else I can reach.
	Okay.
	So in terms of the situation with Trump and what you see in the United States at this time, are you optimistic?
	Are you sort of aware of the role of the Navy in changing the sort of paradigm out there?
	What are your thoughts on that?
	Well, I don't really know how to answer that question without getting into politics.
	Okay, so you prefer not to sort of I don't know.
	Classify yourself in one way or another.
	I mean, in other words, okay, let me ask you this.
	Do you believe or do you psychically agree with the thought that there are that Trump and his team are in the White House and are pursuing indictments at this time?
	I believe that there are some sealed indictments, as David Wilcock talks about things like that.
	Do I really think that we're going to see a great deal of that happen at this point?
	No, I don't.
	Okay, and why not?
	That's just my personal feelings, okay?
	This has been talked about for a very, very long time, and it's one of those kind of things that I see that is always talked about, or somebody may even throw dates out there, but as we approach it, it never happens.
	It's kind of like 2012.
	It's supposed to be the end of the world, the Mayan thing.
	We knew better.
	It's not supposed to I don't want to concentrate or put a lot of energy into that.
	People ask me, well, do you agree with Trump or don't you agree with Trump?
	You know, that's not the kind of thing that you would like to say publicly.
	Well, I mean, you know, sorry, the talk about Guantanamo Bay and ships where trials are supposed to be taking place, etc.
	So, As a telepath, as a person concerned with some sort of ascension pathway, is this not something you're concerned with?
	or do you feel that these efforts to take down the pedophilia, do you understand the real roots of pedophilia and the reptilian connection, for example?
	Well, I suppose I probably have a pretty good handle on that since I was raised as a staunch Catholic until I was about 18 years of age and the priest tried to have his way with me and I left the religion.
	Okay.
	So you were exposed to that as a young person?
	I've had some first-hand experience with it, yeah.
	All right.
	Go ahead.
	I'm not religious in any way, shape, or form.
	Okay.
	Do I have beliefs?
	Do we have beliefs as Palladians?
	Yes.
	We're believing in a prime creator, but we don't look at it the way that people on earth look at it.
	Everybody thinks they have the right answer, and they've all got a piece of the puzzle, but nobody really knows what they have.
	The bottom line of it is, if you don't know within your own heart who and what you are, you're never going to find the answer to that question.
	Too many people are concentrating on that, and that creates anger, it creates discord, and that kind of thing, and we're better than you, and you're better than us, and fighting, and what humanity concentrates on is what they're going to create.
	So I tend not to buy into this stuff too much because that puts my energies out there and fragments me.
	I need to concentrate on the positive things that are around me.
	I don't wish to create more negativity or support that.
	Okay, so what you did for NASA, I mean, let's just look at this a little bit analytically.
	If you believed you were a Pleiadian, Yes.
	But you didn't actually openly tell NASA that.
	Do you think that they knew you were associated with the Pleiades?
	I have reason to believe that's the case, yes.
	Okay.
	And do you think that you were utilized by NASA with your true skill set?
	Were you given the opportunities that would actualize you and be able to use some of the abilities that you might have brought with you?
	Do you think you did that when you worked for NASA? I did for a very long time.
	I enjoyed working with the people at NASA and doing the things that I was doing.
	And I wholeheartedly believed that I was serving some good.
	But toward the end, I can tell you that things changed.
	They changed rather abruptly.
	And so much so that I was actually fired from NASA Without any explanation whatsoever after having an exemplary career.
	Why?
	Why were you fired from their point of view?
	They would not tell me.
	You're kidding.
	They would not tell me.
	No, they came to my office on a Friday afternoon at 3 o'clock with two armed guards, escorted me out of the building, and said, do not come back without an appointment or without guards.
	And that was the end of that.
	Now, I looked into that, and like I said, I... I have the records to prove it.
	However, something changed.
	At that time, the only thing that I can tell you is that I was going through a relatively horrific divorce of my first marriage.
	And I don't know if anything took place from that or what have you.
	And I suspect that there was a beginning or a start there.
	Let's say it was the match.
	But I was never allowed to get anything out of it.
	Pushing that a little bit further, when all of this came down, I actually went to...
	I tried to get my actual birth records and records about myself, and that was impossible.
	They were absolutely closed and sealed off to me, and I went through the Records Bureau.
	I went through Columbus.
	I went through Cincinnati.
	I went through Cleveland.
	I went through all the various places.
	I tried for years, and they would not release the records.
	Nobody could get them.
	I went to my friend, Dennis Kucinich, who was the senator here, and I talked to him about this and asked him to dig into the background, see if he could find information.
	And after about six weeks, he came back to me and he told me, he says, there's no way.
	He said, I can't touch it.
	Nobody will talk to me.
	They will not open the records for any reason whatsoever, nor would they tell him why I was released from NASA. Okay, so what year was this?
	That would have been about 1992.
	All right, and you were working where in Ohio for NASA? Yes, with the NASA Glenn Research Center.
	Okay, and what were you working on at that time?
	At that time, I was the senior member of a two-man metrology team that oversaw every piece of equipment on the base.
	Some 256,000 pieces of them.
	Okay, what is, wait, what is, what of metrology?
	What is this word?
	Metrology is a scientist that is concerned with the National Bureau of Standards, or NIST, the traceability of standards and calibration.
	Okay, well, I'm sorry, what year was this again?
	Because I have a reason for asking you this.
	1992.
	Okay, now...
	I had been working in that capacity for about five years before that time.
	So, the reason is because I was a contractor for JPL, and you know who that is, right?
	Jet Propulsion Lab in Pasadena?
	And there was a time when there was a big issue about measurements in which they claimed the whole reason one of their spacecraft failed, and I forget which one it was, had to do with the fact that they didn't communicate properly and Whoever they were dealing with, I forget whether it was the British or whoever, they were using inches and the others were using metrics.
	Now, that could have been a cover story, but that would have to do with measurements.
	Are you familiar with that story that I'm referring to?
	No, not exactly.
	Okay.
	Now, was there a change in the regime of who headed NASA around the time when you were let go?
	I believe there was.
	There was.
	And what was it?
	I can't tell you exactly what it was.
	I know that we had changed our directorship at that time where there were things going on in directorship that had changed just before I left.
	Okay, but you're, you know, I would appreciate that you might be pretty psychic and have demonstrated that throughout your life.
	So why would you not have some psychic understanding or information come at you even before you were fired?
	It sounds like that kind of came out of the blue, and so you didn't get a warning.
	Of course, you haven't told me you're a precog in any way, but you did hear about your daughter before she was born.
	Yeah.
	So what about that notion?
	Have you tried to look at it telepathically to see what was really going on there?
	Well, yes, I have, and I do have other information.
	I'd like to make that public at this point.
	Well, that's fine.
	Now, but are you happy with the information that you now have, that you understand, you know, do you have an understanding of what was going on behind the scenes?
	Was it political, for example?
	Can you tell us that much?
	I believe that it was politically motivated, and yes.
	Am I satisfied with it?
	No, because I never got any answers.
	To this day, there has been no release of information.
	One other curious thing happened.
	I went to the AFL, CIU, whatever it was at that time.
	AFL-CIO, yeah?
	Yeah, I went to them and I went through Dennis Kucinich and others, as I said.
	The only thing that they did tell me for certain, from both sides actually as a corroboration, was that for whatever reason, and again, I'm not bragging or anything at all, but for whatever reason, they said that my file would occupy a semi-tractor trailer.
	Now, I don't consider myself that important, so why would I have such an enormous amount of file or information?
	But what that was, those guys, including Dennis Kucinich, were so frightened of it, they told me, forget about it, don't ever think about it, don't ever ask about it, it never happened.
	And it's been that way to this day.
	Very interesting.
	Okay.
	Well, I would encourage you to look at some Camelot interviews and also to watch the Eddie Page.
	There's a few interviews with Eddie Page, the Pleiadian.
	He's actually got a book out all about how his sisters and brothers and he were delivered here to the planet, etc.
	Just to compare...
	Kind of notes on, maybe there might be some triggers there that might be interesting for you.
	He also, you know, has had a lot of strange things go on.
	So were you, you were never in the military?
	No, unfortunately I didn't get to search.
	Right, because you had this disability.
	They claimed that I had flat feet, and I do.
	They were so flat And they said, well, you never make it in the Army or the infantry, and they couldn't let me go.
	And they said, well, let me do something else.
	And they said, okay, we'll put you on 1H, we'll be in touch, and they never contacted me again.
	Okay, now, so if you had this happen with regard to NASA, how did you go about getting another job?
	You said it sounds like you went to Honeywell after that.
	How did you explain that you were fired out of the blue for no reason?
	Well, I didn't really worry about that too much.
	For a number of years, I actually concentrated on my own businesses and things, so I just let everything die down.
	For a while, I kind of felt like I had been blackballed.
	I couldn't get a job pushing a broom.
	But then things kind of settled down, and it wasn't any big deal.
	Eventually, I was able to go out and get a job, and I applied at Honeywell, and they accepted me.
	Okay, and what did you do for them?
	I worked as a specialist on radar for tactical aircraft, military, and for commercial.
	Okay.
	Now, did you find yourself on the job, whether at NASA or in this Honeywell aerospace company, did you find yourself coming up with information and having your colleagues look at you and wonder where you got that piece of information?
	No.
	No, I played it pretty close to the bone, if you will.
	I kind of kept things clean.
	Okay.
	Before you got fired at NASA, did you also sort of play it close to the bone, as you call it?
	Yeah, yeah.
	There were some people that were close enough friends that knew enough about me, but did I go around and tell people about, oh, this, that, or the other thing?
	No.
	You know, like I said, science...
	Scientists in general tend to be pretty closed-minded when you start talking about UFOs and stuff, especially back in the 70s, 80s, 90s.
	They just didn't accept it.
	Sure, but you might, as a Pleiadian, and having seemed to, you know, be quite knowledgeable, you said, I know in George Norrie's interview, you said, you know, you, whatever you set out to do, you could do, you could build anything, you could, you know.
	So, sort of when somebody excels easily, let's say.
	Right.
	That tends to bring notice to you by other humans tend to kind of, their antenna goes up if you want to call it that, right?
	Yeah, I guess it would, you know.
	Basically what I'm trying to say when I say that is that I never came in with the idea of having any limitations of my own.
	If I want to do something, I just simply do it.
	I don't worry about how I get there or why or anything else.
	I just do it.
	I think that too many times humanity is hung up on how am I going to get across the street, you know, and all the logistics involved.
	When it came to my job, it was the same kind of thing.
	I don't worry about the logistics.
	I just did what I had to do.
	Okay, but would you be called, like, if NASA was interviewing you, would you consider yourself a team player?
	No, I wasn't a team player.
	Okay.
	Let me explain.
	I wasn't a team player in that my position was one of leadership.
	If I need to be a team player, I can be a team player, no problem.
	But in the positions that I held, I was considered a leader and that was what I had to do.
	Okay.
	Because, you know, I am curious, and this isn't personal, you know, I'm not trying to, again, cross-examine you for a personal reason, but more to understand that if you are a Pleiadian, how that interfaces with this world, and in, you know, in your case, going through you, if you can understand what I'm saying, I am curious whether or not you would, for example, because if somebody comes up to you out of the blue and fires you...
	Yeah, that was hard.
	That has to be kind of shocking, but there usually are, at least in the human world, there are very subtle indicators that you could even look back and perhaps see, but they might be what we call interpersonal.
	In other words, I don't know whether you consider yourself to be extremely socially adept.
	Sounds like you're pretty socially adept, you know, just talking to you.
	But if you were, you know, in a work situation, would you read the small signals that humans have between each other, knowing that they might be passing judgment on you, or they may actually consider you Odd or strange.
	Would you say there were things of that nature would go on?
	No, I usually work pretty closely so that I, you know, eliminate a lot of that stuff.
	Am I good at what I do?
	I would admit yes.
	Okay, that's You know, am I socially adept?
	Yes.
	I like people.
	I enjoy getting together with a lot of people and presenting loads and loads of ideas.
	If I'm in a team, then I play as a team player.
	But I'd also admit that if somebody who was a leader was faltering, I wouldn't hesitate to step in.
	Okay, but do you know, you know, there's one thing that they say about Pleiadians, I don't know if you've heard this, and I think even Eddie Page admitted it, that one way you can tell a Pleiadian is that they don't actually, they don't know how to deal with what we humans call micro-expressions.
	Okay, good.
	And so that's why I'm asking you this.
	I'm asking if you, you know, because that's the kind of thing that if you overlook that, that could have told you that something was amiss that could have warned you.
	And I wonder if even as a kid, did you find, because you said you didn't have any friends, this usually is because you might miss what are called micro-expressions.
	Back when I was a young child, I would say, yes, I did.
	At this point in time, I would say, no, I'm pretty adept.
	I don't miss too much.
	And I generally know what people are going to do, what they're going to say, how they're going to react before they do it.
	But, you know, it's not the kind of thing that you want to just go out and advertise either.
	It's a gift and a Was I aware that there were things going on in the background?
	Yes.
	But you have to understand, you don't go into an organization like NASA, work there for 12 years, have an exemplary record, receive many commendations and write All
	right, fair enough.
	And that's because I wish to answer you truthfully.
	If I don't know something, I'll tell you I don't know.
	But when it came to the thing with NASA, there's only one other person that I have as a friend who knows what I'm telling you because they also worked at NASA. Well, you know, when I worked at NASA, you know, in essence JPL, I can tell you that there was a lot of undercurrent going on.
	Yes.
	And if something changed at the top, and things did change at JPL while I was there, then you definitely felt it on the lower levels.
	There was a trickle-down effect, and easily that could mean your job.
	You know, and that's not so unusual, I guess, at any organization, but it was very, not sure why exactly, but at NASA, I noticed that that is, you know, it's a culture, and it is a top-down culture.
	Yes, absolutely.
	And whether or not you speak of it, or whether or not I stood there in public and said, hey, everybody, I'm Pleiadian, I'm here to help the planet, blah, blah, blah.
	You know, I didn't have to do that for them to know who and what I was.
	And as I said, you know, obviously, they obviously knew something or thought they knew something about me.
	They apparently know more about me than I know about myself.
	Which is not unusual.
	Well, actually, along those lines, so...
	What was happening around NASA at that time in terms of regime change and or I'm talking on a public level.
	This is not to ask you to reveal something you don't want to reveal.
	I just mean if one was to step back and look at those years at NASA. Was there anything in particular, a change of direction, even maybe mirrored in the country, maybe the administration?
	Because NASA, as you know, and I'd be curious to know if you know this, but NASA was not built as a public relations arm, even though that's how they act now.
	No, it wasn't.
	And, you know, even though they said they were basically public and everything else, the undercurrents of military was present at all times.
	In fact, every branch of the military was present on NASA Lewis Center.
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	hello okay Hi.
	Obviously...
	Yeah.
	Well, and I have to make sure that we're still on the air now because at my end everything froze and...
	Now we're back.
	It looks like we're back, but I have to ask people.
	People are now going crazy.
	Hello, can you guys hear me?
	I have to know if I'm broadcasting because I can't tell.
	Okay, yes, we're here.
	They're telling me.
	Okay, thank you.
	Okay, so clearly I was getting very close to an area which they're very nervous about.
	But it could be helpful to you because, you see, if you start, you know, I love a mystery, and I think that if you want to know what was really going on and what happened, there does seem to have been some very important changes.
	Certainly, this is prior to 2001.
	And the reptilians may have taken over NASA at a certain point.
	There could have been a very heavy-duty change of regime that required them to fire all the Pleiadians.
	You know, this kind of thing.
	At that time, I can recall basically that NASA was being downsized a considerable amount.
	When I first went to work at NASA, At that time, we had about 5,200 people that were at NASA Clint.
	By the time I was at that point where they kind of got rid of me, there were only about 1,200 people left.
	And so they were definitely downsizing.
	They were doing everything they could to get rid of NASA employees, government employees, and to convert over to contractors.
	contractor wars.
	It was a very, very unpleasant situation.
	And there was changes in the overall directorship, leadership at that time.
	So, you know, there's definitely some things that were going on.
	They've been trying to close NASA Lewis here in Brook Park, Ohio, geez, probably for the last 35 years.
	And it was Dennis Kucinich again, and Mary Rose Okar, who did everything they could to keep the center open.
	Okay.
	Now, in terms of your time at NASA, did you feel, you know, and I don't understand when you or how you met Von Braun, and maybe you can tell us that, but did you feel that you knew things about what was really going on in terms of,
	you know, The various space missions, the fact that whether the humans had help to go to the moon, this sort of thing.
	Were you privy to that or telepathically aware of it?
	I was, I would say, definitely aware of it a lot more than most people were allowed to believe or to know at the time.
	But, you know, those kind of things, while you might have suspected something or know something, it wasn't the kind of thing you would just come right out and say, hey, guess what?
	I know this because people tended to disappear or they'd get rid of you or something.
	But I had considerable personal feelings, personal knowledge of different things.
	And so, you know, yeah.
	Okay, and were you aware?
	I met him in 1970 at a conference, and the second time I met him in 1973 was at the University of Akron, where he again was giving a lecture in a conference.
	Okay, did you dialogue with him one-on-one?
	Yeah, I actually stood and talked to him face-to-face.
	Okay, and did you recognize him as a Pleiadian?
	Okay, and did you think he was a reptilian?
	I... While I enjoyed talking to him, he actually kind of gave me some very creepy feelings.
	He always kind of scared to be in his presence, not because of who he is or what he represented in that way.
	It was just some...
	It was a personal creepy vibe.
	It was like the creepy vibe alert went off, if you know what I mean.
	Um...
	Very powerful people throughout my life.
	that's been important but they don't frighten me I mean I just accept them as people but some people you get certain feelings from and when I met him I definitely had that kind of scary feeling like this guy was not what he appeared to be and But nonetheless, I just don't make it public.
	You just take it for what it is.
	I expressed it to a couple of friends.
	I was with another friend of mine actually whom I went to school with at the time and is still living and was one of my closest friends and we've discussed it before but you know it's just personal feelings that's all sure I Okay, so did you...
	Yes.
	Did you think that we had help when we went to the moon, and did you agree with William Tompkins' story that had to do with, I think it was John Glenn...
	I'm not sure which one, but who arrived on the moon and said that the reptilians were there, and there's a drawing of the ships.
	The reptilian beings were there to greet them.
	Do you agree with that?
	Well, I do believe that the ships were there when they got there, yes.
	and I also know and believe that they went there definitely for more than what they said.
	Let's face it, you don't spend billions of dollars in all the time and effort that they did to go there and collect a few pounds of rocks.
	There was much more to it than that.
	Was it made public?
	No, of course not.
	But my own personal feelings, do I have book proof, picture proof, things like that?
	In most cases, no.
	You can only get what you get.
	So people aren't going to pay much attention to you if you've got an opinion.
	Everybody's got one.
	Well, hold on a second here because if you're really a Pleiadian and you have these awarenesses, what I'd like to know is you say you call the ships in, correct?
	Yes, yes.
	Okay, and do the beings come out and talk to you?
	No, they have never been able to come here in the land or otherwise.
	All right.
	But have you...
	It doesn't look like that's going to happen, but they do come amazingly close.
	Okay, and have they ever brought you on a ship?
	I do believe I've been on the ship, and that would go back to not too long ago, actually, where I had one of those lucid dreams that was so real I could touch it.
	And what happened?
	I was on a ship, and I was working with people doing various things.
	Can I tell you what I was doing at the time?
	I do not remember.
	But when I came out of it, I was like, oh my God, yeah, you know, there I was.
	Because I'd been asking for it.
	And one of the things that they told me was that in my present physical condition, as well as the lower density that I occupy, the 3D Okay,
	but what about teleporting?
	Are they not able to come down as light beings and talk to you?
	Oh yeah, absolutely they can.
	and I have no doubt that they have done so or that they can appear as what people would call orbs, and the orbs have several different functions.
	My understanding is that they can be a being in an orb form that just takes a form of like a plasma ball, or it can be a probe, okay?
	It can be technology as well.
	It can be either or or a combination of, and I have had orbs in the home.
	And I had them in response to an evening sighting and contact that was so intense and so emotional for me that it reduced me to tears like a baby.
	And then I was so blown away by it, I told them, I says, you know, I mean, I can tell you the story, but I literally asked for it.
	I said, look, I've got to have confirmation.
	Was this real or not?
	I said, you're making me nuts.
	I said, do something.
	Give me a sign.
	Do something.
	Okay.
	And there were, within 24 hours, there were orbs in my house that I have pictures of and other things that happened.
	And one of the crap, you know, No, I wish they would, but I don't think they can.
	And they basically said, no, they can't.
	And they always give me this stuff about, you know, interfering with the free will and this, that, and the other thing.
	And I said, I'm not going to pull that bologna on me as a cop-out because I'm one of you guys, all right?
	I'm supposed to be here doing that.
	But they said, well, you also are interacting because you're involved in karmic law and different things, too.
	This time I came to do a job and you know so we go round and round and round and round but my hope my desire is to meet with them just as I would you over a cup of coffee and say hey let's get down to brass tacks and talk and so I'm working on that all right so just cause I possess Palladian soul or Palladian energy and a hybrid if you will there are still a lot of things I'm
	controlled or constrained in many ways by the physicality of where I am and the physical human function that I have.
	They give me a little bit of abilities, but it's like Right.
	No, it's understandable.
	And sometimes they make me nuts.
	Right.
	But that's the way it is, you know.
	So I have been told and directed not to spend too much time on thinking about the things that are either negative or that I can't control because that just wastes energy and it just clouds Okay, well along those lines, right now we have a very sort of difficult thing going down with 5G. Are you aware of it?
	Yeah, I don't like 5G at all.
	I don't want no part of it.
	In fact, I don't even own a smartphone.
	Okay, but are you going to try to do anything to change that trajectory?
	Do you think your Pleiadian friends are going to try to change that trajectory?
	to a degree.
	But is there All
	right.
	Well, then that sounds like they're going to have to do something because 5G is going to do just that.
	And I have a very important guest tomorrow that I'm going to be talking to, a weapons specialist from Britain who basically says that 5G is a weapons system, and he's an expert.
	So...
	It's everywhere, everything, and 5G is not only going to control phones, but it's going to control every single piece of technology around us.
	And artificial intelligence is already alive and well, and it controls the internet and everything around us.
	I don't think people are really fully aware of that.
	They may be aware that there's AI, but they're still thinking it's these cute little automatons that they show on the internet, and that they can kind of move their It is not like that at all.
	AI is in control of everything.
	It has been for quite some time.
	Talk about scaring.
	Yeah, it scares the daylights out of me.
	Alright, well, okay, so fair enough.
	You asked me another part of that question.
	Can I do anything about it?
	I can try and tell people what I know, but I don't truly know myself what there is that I can do to prevent the dissemination of or the implementation of 5G.
	All right.
	So let's say that you are among several thousand, not sure if there's a million Pleiadians here at this time, right?
	Right.
	Are you in touch with other ones?
	No.
	No.
	And that makes me crazy, too, because I want to be.
	Okay, well, do you know that I'm Pleiadian?
	Yes, I do have a sense that you are Pleiadian in some fashion.
	Okay.
	Well, I just wonder if maybe you are a little bit too, you know, careful with all due respect.
	You sound like you've kind of followed...
	I don't think of myself as being careful.
	I mean, I stick my head out there too often and maybe get it lopped off.
	Like in what...
	What I'm saying is, I mean, I certainly cannot act in a militant fashion and go out and get crazy and then try No, but you could, let's say, what if you put a call out to get all the Pleiadians that are on the planet at this time to work with you?
	What would that do?
	What I've been told is that they are still waiting for, for lack of a better term, We need to become aware and know that we need help and ask for help before they will step in to help.
	And so all I can do in some part is to try and make others aware, ask them to do due diligence and research and look at what I'm presenting and if they are able to do Would I want to?
	No.
	That's not my mission.
	My mission is to just help people to wake up.
	So if we do reach critical mass, and say we get 60% of the population to wake up, I think at that point in time our brothers and sisters would be able to step in and help.
	But just because I call them and say, hey, okay, let's get together and do something about this, I am but one voice in this chorus.
	And while I think that I do have abilities and powers, it's not Okay, fair enough.
	So let's see.
	I'm going to look at the time and see where we're at.
	So we can take some questions from the chat if you would like.
	And I think that we've covered most of the subjects that I'd like to ask you about.
	Is there anything that you would like to say, you know, because I haven't given you time to just kind of go off and just talk about whatever you'd like.
	Do you want to say some things to the audience that are listening?
	Well, no, I think we've covered pretty much, you know, the things that you want to do.
	Like I said, we've gotten even deeper into some things that, even though they may be difficult subjects, a little deeper than most people do.
	You know, so I've relied on your ability as the interviewer to ask me pertinent questions or things that you think are important.
	Everybody else knows, like I said, you know, and as you had explained, basically what our thoughts are, what our mission is, and, you know, how we're supposed to turn around and look at one another with love and with peace and, you know, gratitude and wake up, essentially.
	And everybody knows all of that.
	That's become pretty standard stuff right at this point.
	But what others can do or what I can do for them or help them in the mission, you know, they can go ahead and ask those questions.
	All right, fine.
	We'll do that.
	But in the meanwhile, the fact that we're interrupted right when we're talking about a certain subject, the fact that you were surveilled today, I assume that you're being surveilled most of the time, but maybe not in such an obvious fashion.
	Is that correct?
	I can tell you that throughout my life there have been many instances.
	There's a couple other individuals with whom I'm associated where we What they used to love to do was, back in the earlier days, they loved to tap our phones, they loved to go through our mail, they loved to come into the house and move things around just enough to let you know that they've been there, and that you knew that they've been there, but not enough to cause too much of a problem.
	Once you get into this kind of thing, So once you're in it, you're in it.
	And yeah, I think they still do, and they still monitor.
	If they didn't, people like David Wilcock or Emery Smith or any of the other guys out there that are really doing some top-level stuff at this point wouldn't be scared and wouldn't have any interactions either.
	Their lives are threatened, and some people have paid the ultimate price.
	You know, it just depends on what secrets you're getting into and how much you're tipping the boat.
	That's correct.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Now I'm looking at the chat to see the questions that are there.
	Someone wants to know, how do you know if you're Pleiadian?
	Someone is asking you that.
	Well, in my case, like I said, I have the memories of how I came, why I came, and the fact that I'm about No, I think they're not asking.
	Maybe I didn't word that right.
	They're asking how could they, in other words, how could they tell?
	Well, either they would have memories like that, or sometimes I will ask people, I say, one of the things that you might be able to do is, if you've always had a feeling that you You tried you couldn't fit into the shoe that people expected of you.
	That might be one aspect.
	The other aspect is to look at I remember as a very young child and all through my life, whenever I looked at the sky, if I saw the Pleiades, I always knew instantly.
	I'd say to myself, home, home, and I would just be reduced to tears thinking of it as home, and then do the longing for it.
	So if you've ever had a feeling like that, that could be an indication and a place to look and to start.
	And you'll know within yourself, as most of us So that's the beginning of it.
	That's how you do it.
	And then when you start doing the research and you start reading the various accounts, listening to the various people out there, and there's hundreds of them, certain things will begin to resonate with you.
	And that means that within your heart, within your mind, you're going to go, wait a minute, I knew that.
	Wait a minute, that feels right.
	And you will No,
	my daughter never had any particular desire.
	She grew up around all of this stuff her entire life and had no desire for it whatsoever.
	In fact, she doesn't even talk about it for her.
	It doesn't mean a thing.
	And nor does my wife.
	My wife is absolutely zen.
	Nothing, but nothing moves my wife.
	They had the place, my people could land in the ship in the backyard, knock on the door, she'd go to the door and she'd probably answer it and she'd go, "Oh, just a minute, I'll get Dale." Nothing would bother her.
	In fact, she has seen the craft, and she's seen five of them right in front of her.
	One after a time, pop right out of the blue, and she just looked up on her exact words, gee, look at that.
	And I was like, nothing bothers her in the least.
	Me and I get excited about her.
	All right.
	Well, she's Chinese, right?
	Yes, she is.
	She has grown up under the regime of Chairman Mao, and she has seen some horrific things.
	I'm sure.
	Well, the Chinese are said to be quite affiliated with the reptilians, among other beings out there.
	You know, it might be interesting to...
	I don't know if you've talked to her about what beings she thinks she's related to.
	Well, she was raised under the Buddhist religion, under that regime.
	She's not really what I call a practicing Buddhist or anything, but her entire outlook on life is just very zen.
	In fact, I asked her the last time when the ships came, and they appeared right in front of us, and I said, you've got to see something that most Well,
	I would agree with her completely, but that doesn't change the fact that she comes from bloodlines and beings as well.
	She doesn't have any feeling about that.
	Okay, she doesn't want to delve into it.
	Do you have any feeling?
	You know, nothing whatsoever.
	So, kind of a blank slate when it comes to that.
	I'm an extremely loving and wonderful person, but just no interest, just extremely zen, very level-headed all the time.
	Okay.
	Now, someone wants to know, if people wanted to give information to the Pleiadians, ask them for help, how would they go about it?
	Well, probably the very simplest thing that I tell people is, I'm sure many people are familiar with Dr.
	Greer and a few others who offer meditations and they go through all these long things to call a few ships in and they'll come and do the flash routine.
	For those that really want to make contact, it all comes down to an open mind, an open heart, no fear, and pure gratitude.
	And if you go out on a And you ask to make contact.
	You continue to do this until you get contact.
	They will generally respond.
	And what they're responding to is they're not doing a circus show or put on for you.
	they're responding to a genuine interest that you have to to make contact to interact all right and and the first way that I have found that they do that for most is what I call the flash bulb And when you go out and look at the sky, you might see the stars and so forth.
	You look into an area that happens to be dark.
	It may not have any stars in it whatsoever.
	and all of a sudden you'll see this extremely bright point flash like a like a photo bolt used to be and that's the way they get your attention and if you are respectful to that if they respond to that say okay I see you I'd like to make contact please talk to me they will generally go ahead and flash again at which point you can direct your thoughts to them and they will make more contact.
	Now they may not do more at that time, but if you continue, they will make more and more contact where they will actually appear.
	They might stay for a while.
	They might light up extremely bright.
	They'll do all different kinds of maneuvers and then they'll slowly fade out or they'll just dip and they're gone.
	Okay, now someone is asking, Von Braun's tombstone has two flat earth quotes on it.
	I'm not familiar with those quotes.
	Are you?
	No, as far as I knew, it only had one thing on it, which was a psalm, and it had the number of the psalm on it, and I've forgotten what that was offhand, but it was just a quotation from a psalm in the Bible, and that was it.
	There were no other quotations or any words or anything.
	It was very nondescript, and he passed away in July of 1977, memory serves.
	Well, that's interesting.
	I actually have a contact who said that he was reverse-aged.
	And that he is alive on the earth at this time in the body of a young man, I think possibly in his 20s, although he may be older at this point, because when the young man that I talked to was in his 20s and he's older now.
	So perhaps there is evidence that a lot of the Nazi scientists have also been reverse aged.
	Are you aware they have that technology?
	Randy Kramer and others like Randy.
	So I do know that that technology exists and in fact I'm working with a few on that biotechnology as we speak.
	What I have always suspected regarding von Braun was that he did not die in the way that they said he did, that he passed from I am,
	but I'll tell you what, and what I know at this point is that there are so many people telling so many things, I really honestly couldn't tell you which one is true.
	It's just too much.
	Alright, are you aware that they have discovered ruins of Antarctica?
	Yeah.
	No, I have Atlantis down there.
	Are you aware of that?
	People and the various craft that were supposedly discovered and all these different things.
	But, like I said, from all the different people that I've been associated with, talked to, or otherwise, everybody's got a different story.
	I don't know who to believe at this point.
	Okay, well, if you're intuitive, you can usually figure out who to believe.
	I got my own feelings, but that doesn't mean anything.
	Everybody's entitled to their own feelings, or whether you're psychic or not.
	Right.
	It's like deals fun or whatever.
	I mean, you know, yeah, everybody says, well, he saw what he saw, and you know, it's absolute no.
	That's what he saw, but maybe it's not.
	You know, so I don't know.
	I'm very confused with this Antarctica thing, and I'm at the point where it's like, I've heard enough already.
	Get on with it.
	Let's find out some truth.
	Let's get to the bottom of the brass tacks on this.
	Okay.
	I've talked with Linda Moulton Howe about it and a few other people, and it's just one thing after another.
	But do I have an actuality where I can say, yeah, this is fact, like Corey says or that David says or any of the others?
	No, I can't.
	I really can't.
	Do you know when those individuals are lying?
	I suspect, yes.
	And of those, I suspect that there's one that I don't put as much faith in as I used to.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Let me see.
	And I don't, you know, that's sufficient.
	I don't want to really target anybody here.
	Neither.
	and that's why I wouldn't say the name but I suspect that there's some that are less less trusting less believable than others okay now if you're dealing with Randy Kramer you must be aware of what's going on to some degree on Mars or at least heard stories How do you feel about Mars?
	Do you feel you understand what's going on there?
	Do I understand the entire picture?
	No.
	I've had discussions with Randy and a few others about it.
	But again, it's all in what they're saying.
	I do intuitively know and feel that what we've been told publicly by NASA and other things is pure trash.
	And that's my opinion.
	So NASA, if you're listening, don't get bent.
	But it's definitely not what we've been told.
	I know that there is an atmosphere on Mars.
	I know that there's water on Mars.
	I know that there are colonies and buildings on Mars.
	I know that there's trafficking on Mars.
	I know that there's biotechnology on Mars and so forth and so on.
	Do I have proof?
	No.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	I'm just seeing if there's anything else here that, you know, People have asked.
	It's not that easy to grab all the questions, but...
	Go ahead.
	While you're doing that, I can interject one thing.
	Sure.
	One confirmation that I have had again and again.
	And one of my dear friends, who, for those that may not know, if you follow Ralph Ring and his lady, Marsha, they've gone through some very serious stuff.
	They lost their entire home and everything in the Paradise Fires.
	I wasn't aware that he was living in Paradise Lacket.
	Last time we interviewed him, he was living in Vegas.
	Yeah, they were in Paradise.
	They called me not too long ago.
	Just a couple weeks ago, in fact.
	They were still in the process of trying to find another place to settle.
	But they had a couple of different places, I guess, but their main home was in Paradise, and they said it was absolutely burned to the ground.
	They got out with the shirts on their back and barely with their lives, and their car was even engulfed in flames.
	They didn't even know if they were going to make it at some point.
	They said it took them over five hours to get out of it.
	Wow.
	Yeah, I didn't know he was in the Paradise Fire.
	I'm sorry to hear that.
	Both of them suffered a great deal, and they had just gone through some major surgeries.
	Ralph had a bypass, and Marsh had both of her knees operated on.
	So they were both in recuperation just a couple of weeks from that, when the Paradise Fires occurred.
	So they got out literally with their car, their dog, and their Oh, well, they should try a GoFundMe if they haven't done so already.
	They have, and very few people have responded.
	Oh, well, they didn't send it to me.
	Why don't you have them send it to me?
	Because, you know, we were the ones who brought Ralph Ring to the public.
	Right, right.
	Many, many years ago.
	I've been working with Otis Carr and with Tesla and so forth.
	One of the Well, as I've always said and always knew that it is about frequency and energy and frequency and by changing our frequency we can instantly be anywhere in the universe that we want to be.
	One of the things that was unique about the craft that Otis Carr and Ralph Ring that they flew was the fact that their craft worked on frequency and by concentrating on a crystal in various colors and frequencies, they were able to transport or teleport their ship to any place at any time.
	That's correct.
	Yes, that's on our website as well.
	They navigate the ships.
	And they do it with frequency, not with propulsion.
	Right.
	Okay, that information is on Project Camelot and also on our interviews with Ralph, so that's very good.
	Alright, now someone is asking, let me see, what was it?
	There was a question here about, oh, I know, Putin.
	They're asking if you're aware of what group Putin is working with.
	Not aware of the group, but I have always had My own personal feelings about Putin.
	And there have been many times when I literally thought, well, people may disagree and that's okay, but I've actually thought that Putin is a much better guy than people think he is.
	And I've always believed that he's not one that really is a war monger or wants to go to war or do anything as such with the United States or with China or otherwise.
	I think that it's been the other way around.
	Okay, so are you aware of clones?
	Yes, I am.
	Alright, and can you tell when someone's a clone?
	Well, I don't know that you can tell that someone is a clone, but there may be certain traits that you could look for.
	I do know that there are clones, there are soulless beings, and there are non-beings.
	There are basically projections of the matrix, projections in the hologram, which is something that most people don't think about or realize.
	The only reason that anything seems to exist at all is because we give it our concentration, we're giving it energy, we're bringing it to life.
	If we don't concentrate on it, it may not be there at all.
	Okay.
	Well, that's kind of an interesting statement.
	So if we don't concentrate on the Pleiadians, they might not be there?
	Well, it's kind of like if you go back to Schrodinger's cat, and you know, you open the box, and what's in the box could be a cat in two different states, or an atom in two different states, and you don't know what state It also goes back to if we're in a room and we leave the room, does that room indeed exist after we leave it?
	It only exists so long as we're putting energy into it and concentrating on it.
	I have to say that that's actually not correct.
	The Pleiadians, you of all people should know, exists whether you want to put your energy into it or not.
	Well, that's not the information that I was given, but that's okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So now you're telling us that you imagine the Pleiadians and only when you think about it, they exist.
	No, what they're saying, and it's a difficult concept, is that the only thing that exists is ourselves.
	and that ourselves are all the same aspect of just one larger being, one larger entity.
	Okay, well that's not quite saying the same thing.
	But I do appreciate.
	Alright, I think that's an easy out for people, but I kind of appreciate the spirit in which you're saying it.
	Right, and it is a very complex kind of thing to try and explain.
	I'm not sure that I can even put it into those words that make it explainable.
	I know Probably within myself that I know what I want to say, but it is a real tough thing to do.
	I've only heard it explained once or twice that made any sense.
	But yeah, it's not quite what we're perceiving.
	And it stems from the fact that we're a hologram within a hologram.
	But, okay, fair enough.
	So, at this time, you know, we've been going for the requisite amount of time for a show, and so I should probably close this down.
	I want to thank you very much, Dale, for coming on the show, and I'm seeing if there is any last-minute, you know, desperate questions, but I'm not quite catching anything here.
	I think...
	I don't know why somebody is saying the Pleiadians killed Art Bell.
	That's a very odd thing to say.
	I don't think that's the case.
	Right.
	And let's see.
	Anything about Yellowstone?
	Because people seem to be...
	I don't know why that's cropping up.
	Maybe because Eddie Page talked about it.
	Do you have any thoughts?
	Or are you tuned in?
	You say you're very close to Gaia.
	Are you tuned in to things like Earth Changes?
	Yeah, I know there's some serious earth changes going on out there.
	You know, that thing is very, very active.
	The ground has raised up even more.
	It seems to be moving on a daily basis.
	There are micro tremors or medium-sized tremors every day.
	I do have some concern about it.
	Do I know that it's going to go off?
	I can't tell you that.
	But I have been pretty concerned about it because that would be the one thing that really would Millions and millions of people would die.
	It would be life-altering altogether.
	I'm concerned about it, not so much because I think Gaia herself is going to do anything, but because it could be used as a trigger in the war that we're presently in with certain negative entities.
	It wouldn't be any big deal for them to go out there and trump on that thing and make it So from that standpoint, I think it's something very scary.
	Something that we need to be paying attention to.
	It's not that it's old.
	It's not that it's been 600,000 years since it erupted last or anything like that.
	I'm just saying that one well-placed bomb or nuke or anything else could trigger that thing in a big way.
	And if certain entities felt pressured into a corner where they couldn't get out, Then that might be one of the ways they would do it.
	Okay.
	Yes, that's true.
	All right.
	Fair enough.
	So, again, thank you, and hopefully we can have you back on the show in the future, and maybe you'll even have video at that point.
	Yeah, wouldn't it be something we might get through a show without losing audio or losing pictures or anything else?
	Right.
	But it's been a pleasure, Carrie.
	Thank you so much.
	All right.
	You take care.
	Bye-bye.
	All right.
	Bye-bye.
	Okay, so that's our show for today.
	And sorry that we weren't able to have his video and that we did get some interruption, but those interruptions perhaps tell you that we were on some good tracks or trails to the truth during those times.
	And so I'll be back tomorrow with a fascinating guest.
	His name is Mark Steele.
	He is English and he is a weapons expert and he's going to be talking about how 5G is a weapon and how it operates.
	And it's basically a weapon system that they're rolling out.
	And he's in a place to know the facts in terms of the technology.
	So that'll be tomorrow.
	I think we're due at one o'clock.
	So that's one o'clock Pacific time.
	So thank you again for watching and for being here, and take care.

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