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Feb. 6, 2019 - Project Camelot

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INTERVIEW WITH CANDIDATE JON STEWART : SEEING BEYOND THE MATRIX

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	Thank you.
	Hi, everyone. everyone.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here tonight.
	And I have a very illustrious guest, a candidate for governor of Illinois.
	And it should be a fun discussion.
	He's quite into the whole conversation.
	UFO paranormal story, and we're going to get into his own experiences, etc.
	Go to my website at projecthamalot.tv.
	If you haven't seen his whole bio and the suggestion of various topics, we're going to discuss and so on, because it's all right there.
	And I'm going to read a bit of his bio, but as I do, I'm going to bring him on the screen here.
	So welcome, Jon Stewart.
	I appreciate it.
	I've been a fan of yours in the show for 10 years.
	And I just want to tell everybody, it was harder to get on this show than Kathy Lee and Regis.
	Yeah, right.
	Okay, well, I appreciate the thought.
	At any rate, so what we're going to do here, and I want to apologize because we do have...
	My Skype is doing some very weird things here.
	I have to figure out what's happening because they do have...
	Icons across your face here.
	I don't know if you can kind of sit down a little lower in your seat there, John, because then people can see your face because your name is kind of across your face at the moment.
	So I don't know if the logistics are really difficult there.
	If they are, I'll bring...
	I'm going to be reading your bio, so you can...
	I'll take the camera away from you and we'll bring me back on the screen here and...
	I'm going to bring up the actual site.
	So there's a lot going on.
	I guess people might have seen I made a very important post about what I think is the background behind the whole pedophilia situation.
	So I do encourage you to take a look at that if you haven't already.
	and that's on my YouTube channel.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Just hold on one second and we'll, we'll bring you back on the screen here and hopefully this will, Yeah, you're at least a bit lower in the screen and that's great because the icons are not across your head and face at the moment so that looks great.
	And what I'm trying to do here, just briefly, is bring up your bio.
	So, not sure why that disappeared.
	Right.
	So, what happens is, John contacted me.
	He is running for governor of Illinois.
	Can I hear you a little bit?
	Can you hear me okay?
	A little.
	You just, you cut out a little bit.
	Okay.
	Well...
	You got me now.
	Okay, I'm going to turn myself a tiny bit louder.
	We don't want to have any feedback.
	So that's the main thing here.
	So, at any rate, John is running for governor of Illinois.
	He has...
	I want to clarify that.
	I was a candidate four months ago and I lost in the...
	Okay.
	Well, you know, and I'm most likely the presumed candidate in the next election in four years for governor for the Libertarian Party of Illinois.
	That's just my assumption.
	So, I mean, technically, yes, but I was a candidate for a year or two months.
	for governor and you know maybe we'll talk about that experience too but yes.
	Okay right now isn't it true that you also ran for was it another office as well?
	Yeah well I started my political journey back in 97 where I ran for the Illinois House of Representatives in the Gold Coast downtown area of Chicago as a Republican which was kind of like a kamikaze mission but an interesting thing about that was my campaign consultant Was none other than Donald Trump's legal counsel and the one that got into the presidency, Kellyanne Conway.
	And I was actually her first political client.
	She owned a polling company and then started political, you know, mentoring and political consulting.
	And I was literally her very first client of her political company.
	Sharp lady.
	You know, Kellyanne's a very intelligent person.
	There's no doubt why Donald Trump won the presidency when she picked up and took over and I think helped guide him to the White House.
	All right.
	Very good.
	I went for Congress in 2000, sorry.
	I went for Congress in 2000 in an 11-way primary, which was dubbed by All national media outlets is the dirtiest congressional primary in modern American history.
	And that is really where I cut my teeth politically, where I met a lot of political insiders, which I know we will talk about today.
	And not so much about the information that I learned, but the perspective that I got.
	And because I was a professional wrestler, and Jesse Ventures put fame with running and winning for governor of Minnesota, You know, I was on The O'Reilly Factor, Hannity and Combs, MSNBC, The New York Times, did a future article on me in The New York Times Magazine.
	I don't say that to impress anybody.
	I say to impress upon people watching this tonight that I think you should take my perspective on government maybe a little bit more to harm than maybe somebody that has not been able to peek inside the Golden Gates, so to speak.
	And I'm not saying that to brag or to be confrontational.
	I'm just saying I have a I think a really interesting perspective of national media and politics because I've been allowed inside the gate and I've sat at the table, so to speak, and I think I can provide an interesting perspective on really what's going on with our world and country today.
	All right.
	Well, thank you for that.
	Now, you've covered most of your bio here on your own.
	Let's see.
	Some people mistake you for the Comedy Central Jon Stewart, so let's not make that mistake here.
	And he, let's see, it says you run a family automobile dealership, have produced two reality show pilots, and you continue to be involved in the Libertarian Party.
	You're married for 20 years to your wife, Joanne, and you have three children.
	And I want to talk about the topics you're going to talk about, okay?
	Yeah.
	Because I'm going to hope to cover at least a few of these, if not all of them, if we have time.
	So you want to talk about your ghost experience in Nebraska, Massachusetts.
	And not Massachusetts, I assume that is.
	Behold a Pale Horse.
	You have something to talk about that.
	And let's see, 1988, Vision of Yourself, running for governor of Illinois.
	Conspiracies you researched are The Moon Landing, 9-11, Bigfoot, JFK, 2012, Climate Chaos, Nibiru, Aliens vs.
	the Bible, The Cosmocube Prophecy, Area 51, S4, Alien Interview, and...
	Why Philip Corso is legit.
	Sky booms and the first person to notify the police, according to Linda Moulton Howe.
	Wisconsin Dogman, Beast of Bray Road, and your hopes for humanity, government, and the people of our planet.
	And you have spoken with John Lear, Stanton Friedman, and Linda Moulton Howe.
	All right?
	I'm sorry.
	So, you know, we're going to be going over a lot, so everyone out there that is maybe a hyper-expert on one topic or another, give me a little bit of a break tonight, because, you know, Kerry and I are going to be recovering a lot, and so if I jumble up some words or I mistake a last name, please bear with me, and I say that with all due candor and humility.
	All right.
	Very good.
	So what we're going to do here is we're going to hope to cover at least one of these topics just right this minute.
	So I'm going to go back to the top here and your ghost experience in Nebraska and Massachusetts.
	I assume there's two experiences there or what?
	Right.
	Yeah.
	You know, the first one with Nebraska...
	I called the production company.
	They're going to have this on a show.
	I can't say the name.
	And they kind of cleared me to talk about it because I'm not in any contractual obligation with them yet.
	And that's good because it happens to not only myself but two other professional wrestlers.
	One of them was a very famous pro wrestler who was in WrestleMania with Sgt.
	Slaughter and Hulk Hogan.
	And another one was from Indiana.
	We were in a wrestling production in Nebraska, outside of Osceola, Nebraska.
	And the promoter rented us a bed and breakfast.
	And we all went to the bed and breakfast.
	It was a Victorian bed and breakfast in Nebraska, in a very small town.
	And we all went to bed, like normal.
	And I think, after all, looking back, I suffered the least amount of the creepy and weird things that happened.
	So I will skip forward to, like, the next day, the next morning at breakfast, we all came downstairs.
	It was a bed and breakfast, and normally boisterous pro wrestlers were very quiet and reserved, and we weren't saying much to each other, and we drove to Omaha to get on a plane, and I looked in the back of the plane, and one pro wrestler was talking to the other pro wrestler, and the other pro wrestler, his name is Sheikh Adnan Al-Kasey.
	He was actually a bodyguard and friend of Saddam Hussein, and, uh, Very religious, Muslim, and his face was white.
	And so the other wrestler came forward, he said, I want to ask you something last night.
	Did anything weird happen to you?
	And I said, it did.
	As a matter of fact, my door was a Victorian door, the big doorknob.
	Kept opening and shutting.
	Or opening.
	I would get up out of my bed and shut the door.
	I heard like this strange giggling.
	And as you walked out onto the hallway, the TV wasn't on.
	There wasn't any other guests in the bed and breakfast.
	And it was very bizarre.
	I would go back to bed.
	And an hour later, my door would open again.
	And again, one, you had to turn the doorknob.
	It was very bizarre.
	However, the other two pro wrestlers suffered things that...
	That were really, to my opinion, were just extremely bizarre.
	The first pro wrestler, his name is Tim, he actually felt his sheet, his top sheet, like, slip down his chest and he would pull it back and, you know, minutes later, you know, 20 minutes later, he would find that that sheet would start slipping down again and he said he was petrified.
	It finally stopped when he gathered up the sheet and kind of You know, in the field position, she kind of tackled it, so to speak.
	And then she'd get it on El Casey, which I think on the front of them all, said for the entire night, on and off, was having the bottom of his feet pinched.
	Now, we didn't have mosquitoes or bees or anything like that that could pinch his toes.
	And he was actually mortified.
	I mean, his whole demeanor on the airplane You know, he was like 65 at the time.
	He was a manager of me.
	And he was just mortified by that whole experience and actually really terrified.
	And as I sat there on the plane, I said, you know, I thought to myself, my God, you know, we experience, I don't know what we experience.
	And that's part of myself and the truth movement or the conspiratorial world is, you know, I am a healthy skeptic.
	I don't know what we experience, but we experience something that That was not a human being or an animal or a body twitch or a muscle twitch.
	And what a lot of people that I've told this story about has remarked to me, and I find that this is true, that all three people all experienced something that night.
	It wasn't just one of us, two out of three, it was all three of us.
	Okay, now can you tell me, is this in a house or a hotel?
	This was a Victorian house turned into a bed and breakfast.
	I see.
	Okay, and where was it?
	What city?
	This was outside of Osceola, Nebraska.
	I'm trying to look for this house.
	I remember it when I was a pro wrestler for, I don't know, for 20 years.
	So I remember it being like a maroon with like some dark, dark purple trim.
	I looked for it.
	I tried to find the name of the town we drove to.
	The wrestling event was in Osceola and we drove to a town.
	Where this bed and breakfast was.
	And again, I've tried to find it and I've really not had a whole lot of luck on Google.
	But again, the fact that something happened to three different people in the same night is really quite astounding.
	And I've heard from that a couple years later, you think everyone's trying to join in on the ghost story or whatnot.
	And I know the psychology of that.
	But I heard Sheikh Adnan actually telling the story to other wrestlers when he didn't even know I was in the locker room or the door was.
	You know, when somebody's telling a story, it's ha-ha-ha, and you've got camaraderie with all the other wrestlers.
	But for this very proud Iraqi patriarch of our group to tell this story in a way that he did, you know, just really...
	Confirmed that, you know, something did happen to us.
	I don't know what happened.
	I don't know what we experienced, but for three men to experience something different all in the same night certainly, you know, raises a lot of eyebrows.
	Absolutely.
	Now, you said you had a ghost experience in Massachusetts as well?
	Yeah, on my honeymoon, and I find it funny because it's a little similar to Cheek Adonant's story.
	My wife and I, at the tail end of our honeymoon, we went to the East Coast.
	We stayed in Boston and Nantucket.
	And we stayed in Rockport, Massachusetts at the Emerson Inn, which is this beautiful, grand hotel right on the ocean.
	And it was one of those hotels with bed and a half TV and whatnot.
	So we had twin beds.
	My wife and I, we joked with each other that we were like the Dick Van Dyke show where they slept in separate beds.
	And we told the princess, you do know we're on our honeymoon.
	You've given us twin beds.
	And I laid down in the one twin bed and my wife was getting ready.
	We were going to go downstairs for dinner.
	And Carrie, I'm telling you something.
	I've been spun by bees.
	I've played football at the college level.
	I've been a pro wrestler.
	I've been hit with chairs, garbage cans.
	I've been hit with beer bottles.
	I mean, I had an Italian mother who's hit me with wooden spatulas and pinched my arm in church and whatnot.
	My butt, I was on my side.
	My butt got pinched so hard that it actually, my wife said I levitated almost off the bed and jumped out of bed.
	I'm like, what?
	You know, and I was terrified.
	I said, Joanne, I just got pinched.
	You know, we looked for a bee because, you know, similar to a bee sting, maybe.
	No bee, no, the windows weren't open.
	It was in October, by the way, anyways, the middle of October.
	We checked out the next day and I said, uh, I just want to tell you a really weird story.
	I got pinched so hard on my buttocks that my wife said I leaped up and left off the bed.
	She said, well, you weren't in the far corner room on the second floor, were you?
	And I said, yeah, I was.
	I said, oh, that room's haunted.
	Great.
	You can tell me.
	You've gotten me a double queen bed on my honeymoon.
	But, yeah, so just another...
	Bizarre, weird story.
	And I sum up those two paranormal stories of, you know, I don't know what I experienced, but I know something physical happened to myself.
	And like I said, the other two men that I was with on that other story.
	Okay.
	Well, actually, how far away are you from the Mothman, the places where the Mothman prophecies happened?
	Do you know?
	I think that was West Virginia.
	I'm in the suburb of Chicago right now.
	Oh, you're in Chicago.
	However, the Mothman has made its appearance in the Chicago area.
	I don't know if anybody's read about that.
	I think last summer, people were citing this gigantic black wing figure that was flying around the city in different parts of the city and four or five people actually reported it and reported it to the police.
	They said, you know, don't Don't look at him off, man.
	It's kind of a bad omen.
	I don't know if that's true or not.
	I want to note, have you met Jesse Ventura?
	I met Jesse Ventura once in the back of an arena in Wichita, Kansas.
	I was wrestling for the WWF at the time.
	God forbid you can't say it, but now it's WWE. And I'm not a pro wrestler.
	Vince McMahon wants to call us sports entertainers.
	But I was a pro wrestler for the WWF and he had Jesse.
	And that was kind of funny because we were still the only two wrestlers to ever run for governor.
	And him and I were in the back of the arena.
	He was about ready to go out to do play-by-play or color commentary and I was ready to go out and wrestle and we were alone.
	And I don't know, I think if somebody would have tapped us on our shoulder and said, you know, you two are going to be the only wrestlers in American history that will ever run For Governor and him winning, I think we both would have said, you know, are you off your rocker?
	So, and it was in 88, funny that same year, that I didn't, it wasn't a voice, it wasn't anything, I don't think paranormal, but I think it's funny how you're, and like part of this, or maybe some of this interview to be a little educational or whatnot, or interesting for people as far as like our human development, And I think it's funny.
	I was laying there in bed in 1988.
	Never considered politics.
	I was playing college football.
	I was wrestling around the country.
	I was going to college at the time, chasing women.
	I mean, politics was about as far from my radar screen as this could be.
	And I was just laying in bed and taking a nap.
	And I woke up.
	And again, I'm not going to get all pokey and creepy, but a...
	Like a...
	Not a voice, but like a thought was in my head.
	It said, you're going to run for governor of Illinois one time in the future.
	And I thought, what?
	I talk to myself a lot.
	It's when you answer questions, you're in trouble.
	I said to myself, what?
	Gary, I never thought about it again until I walk into an Italian restaurant a year and a half ago and the Libertarian Party is having a meeting.
	I meet one of the Political directors of Illinois and he asked me, do you ever think about running for governor?
	You know, there was a lot of circumstances leading up to that and my frustration with the state and the overtaxation and regulation and the fact that Illinois is bankrupt.
	That led me to do that.
	But I find that funny, you know, they said they took a hundred graduates of Harvard back in like 1935.
	50 of them, this is a true story, boys and girls, 50 of them wrote down their goals, 50 of them didn't.
	They went back to the reunion 30 years later The 50 that wrote down their goals, 99% of them were satisfied with their life, happy marriages, doing what they want to do, and satisfied with their career.
	And the other 50, unscientifically, were not as nearly happy on a whole as the other group.
	I find that really...
	Really fascinating.
	Alright, well that's a cautionary tale.
	Yeah, very good.
	Okay.
	Now, what I wanted to know was in terms of the whole, you know, you contacted me, so you are a fan of Camelot.
	Does that mean that you subscribe to the ET of Hypothesis?
	Have you seen an ET? Are we going to get to that?
	No, I have not seen an alien But I have been a fan of yours, and without patronizing you or pandering to you, one of the things I like about you, Kerry, is that you are this receptacle of information.
	I don't hear a lot of judgment from you.
	I don't hear a lot of you trying to slant the issue or the information that you're receiving.
	And I really respect that about you.
	And I'm not, again, I'm not blowing sunshine up your dress or anything.
	I really do.
	And I've been a fan of yours for 10 years.
	I think my first video that I watched was the one with Bob Dean.
	Excellent.
	All right.
	Lovely.
	I could spend four hours on Bob Dean.
	An absolute gentleman.
	Yes.
	A credit to the truth community and, you know, former NATO Supreme Commander or in that capacity in that office.
	Right.
	He is undeniable and his credentials are beyond reproach.
	So I've been a fan of Project Camelot for at least 10 years, and I am, without a doubt, I've said this over and over, I am definitely an ancient astronaut theory.
	I believe, without a doubt, with facts and evidence that are so far into the pro category, that this planet has been visited by And extraterrestrial biological entities for maybe thousands of years.
	But we can get into that.
	Now we're not, however you want to go there, but I am definitely an ancient astronaut believer.
	And I believe too, you know, I think if you look at the Bible, I think if you look at Catholicism, Christianity, if you take out angel and replace it with alien, suddenly all, everything in the Bible, Kind of makes more sense.
	It becomes less fantasy, less mythology.
	You know, I was always told, oh, the Bible is about stories.
	But if you insert higher intelligence instead of a man in a white robe and a long beard, all of a sudden, you know, the Immaculate Conception makes sense.
	Jesus' resurrection makes sense.
	The Ten Commandments make sense.
	Moses going on Mount Sinai.
	It makes sense.
	Noah being foretold of the flood.
	Everything starts to make sense when you go into the alien extraterrestrial concept that maybe they weren't these angelic beings that were benevolent.
	Maybe they were just high-tech astronauts that came here.
	And I want to do a John Lear because John Lear always brings out visual aids.
	You know, so anybody that's rolling their eyes in the Catholic, who are Catholics out there, you know, that you're laughing, that you think extraterrestrial entities have come to this earth, you know, you're a Catholic and you believe in this guy.
	You know, this, I mean, if I wanted this to work every day, my, you know, my friends and family would laugh me off the planet, you know.
	And I find it funny that people on Saturday at the cocktail party laughed at me You know, that ancient astronauts came to this planet and tinker with our DNA, people think 60 times, and so do scientists, and mingled and taught with different cultures.
	Then on Sunday, you go believe in this.
	And I'm a believer of Jesus Christ, or a follower of Jesus Christ.
	I'm not a believer of Jesus Christ.
	That means he didn't exist.
	I'm a follower of Jesus Christ.
	I am not a A willful member anymore of the Catholic Church.
	And I find it funny too, one basic blanket that I throw over the international theory is that every single ancient culture in antiquities, whether it be the aborigines, whether it be tribes from Africa,
	China, Mesoamerican, Native American Indians, every single culture in the world In Antiquities has a story of beings, intelligent beings coming down from the sky or the heavens and teaching them the ways of civilization or agriculture or mathematics or astronomy or government, you know, even the Sumerians.
	And I find it funny that scientists, I call it the smorgasbord effect.
	You know, scientists will tell you, well, it's written in Egypt that They had a huge corn crop that certain year when a certain pharaoh was alive.
	Yet when they hear a story from Samaria that, you know, beans came down and they manipulated our DNA, that's a myth.
	And scientists have a knack for choosing what they want to believe and choosing what is mythology and choosing what they think is real and is not real.
	And I have a fundamental problem with that.
	Okay, fair enough.
	writing that if we're going to be we're going to be um acknowledging the written word or something that's written on tablets let's do it all the way and not pass things off as mythology and stories and fables and cautionary tales okay very well said uh Now, I want to know, before we continue with your little list here, I would like to know whether or not, since you ran for governor, you know, I don't know if you know a guy named Mike Harris.
	He's a radio talk show host, and I used to interview him fairly often, and then he kind of...
	He went off the deep end towards me and turned against me.
	But at any rate, he works for Veterans Affairs.
	I don't know if he still does radio, but he did it one time.
	Anyway, the point being is that he ran for governor of Arizona.
	I believe.
	And he was...
	They tried to kill him.
	They tried to make a deal with him and they basically said, you know, either you go along with our agenda or you will be...
	I guess, killed.
	They tried to run him and his son down.
	I mean, it wasn't like a casual attempt.
	And that always impressed me because that was what we'd heard, that people always get approached.
	So my question is, were you approached?
	Did you get that far along?
	Or do you think that because you, I guess you're saying you lost, so do you think that you didn't get to that point?
	Well, I have never been approached in that sort of capacity of a conspiratorial thing, and that is one of the reasons why I wanted to come on your show.
	I don't doubt things like that happen at all.
	And I'm sad to say that about my government, but it's not all of our government.
	What I think a lot of times happens is that, you know, the government is made up of nitwits, it is made up of self-serving people, It is made up of entitlement people.
	It is made up of people that really have never had to work for a living.
	I think the money tree is outside of the backyard, and we all have one.
	And it's made up of people who are self-serving.
	And Dennis Miller, the comedian, once said something very interesting, and I'll never forget it.
	It's going to be really hard for people in any government, around the world, anywhere, to take that, my need for I'm protecting and providing for my family.
	And we all have that need of making as much money, making more money, getting more position of power, and that insecurity that we all seem to have as human beings of, we have to get as much as we can.
	I don't think you can take that out of the human genome.
	You can't take that out of our DNA. We came to America and said, yeah, I like this place.
	We're going to stay.
	And just basically move the Native Americans out.
	I mean, this isn't our DNA as Americans.
	And I bring all that up about government because that, I think, a lot of times, if you could just remember what I just said about, you know, government's not done, they cover their ass, they're still serving.
	I think a lot of that falls into a conspiracy group when People make decisions or try to maneuver or get involved in politics as it is.
	And I've been fortunate for that and I've suffered from the political game and whatnot.
	And so I think it's important that we don't have this malicious group of villains in government on a whole.
	Mind you, on a whole.
	I think it's more so a collection of idiots Truly.
	I mean, I've met so many politicians and lunch and airplane rides and conversations and dinners and they don't have a clue what the real world is.
	I mean, you talk to a politician about business life, my business and the car business, and their eyes glaze over.
	They're like a deer in the headlights.
	They just don't have a clue.
	But they are self-certain.
	They've got a clue about politics.
	And I think a lot of the moves and a lot of the maneuvers that they make, and again, a lot of the politicking that they do does get, is misinterpreted as conspiracy.
	But understand, too, that a conspiracy is just a malicious act between two people that has kept clandestine from other people.
	Right.
	It's two or more people getting together to plot against humanity.
	Men, decent people do a lot of bad things When it comes to staying in power, keeping their power, keeping themselves out of jail, sending their kids to college, you know, human beings are capable of some very bad things.
	And I've also been the benefactor of extreme kindness from politicians.
	So, you know, I'm coming on this show to give you both sides of my perspective.
	That's fine.
	That's not a problem.
	I don't have that tense story whatsoever.
	I mean, you know, we're still on a national talk show.
	I would like to talk about this.
	You know, the national talk shows.
	They don't tell you what to say, but they're making sure what you're going to say, if that makes sense to you.
	When you go on the O'Reilly factor, you know, they're not going to tell you what to say, but they're making sure you're going on and you're going to talk about and defend the Obama tax cut.
	Or you're going to go on and you're going to rail against the Obamacare.
	There is nothing left to chance with that.
	And I don't know.
	Is that manipulation?
	Possibly.
	But we are also victims of the 24-hour news cycle where everything is a story.
	And I think that's going to...
	I don't like that for our country.
	Where everything has got to be a story.
	We just can't tell the news.
	It's now editorialized and we have a commentation about it.
	And I wasn't like that when I was growing up.
	It was just, here's the news.
	And it was a little boring, but...
	It didn't sway my opinion on anything.
	Now, the news is like pro wrestling with people wearing suits.
	Well, yeah, there are definitely interest groups and teams, etc.
	So that's true.
	Now, in terms of going back to your list here, you say that you want to say something about Behold a Pale Horse.
	So what is it you want to say about that?
	I watched a documentary.
	It's a very good story.
	Deion Sanders was talking about the night he played baseball and football the same night.
	And during the interview he said, this is the part where I want you to turn up the volume and pull up your chair closer to the TV screen.
	This doesn't have a really big punchline, but the mathematical possibilities of this, and this is something that I talked about with Stanton Friedman, who's a physicist in one of our Mount Rushmore I've also talked about this with John Lear.
	I won't say what John told me, but this is the story you really want to pay attention to.
	So I'm reading a book by William Cooper.
	I think it was written in 1988.
	87, 88, 89.
	For those who don't know, William Cooper worked for the U.S. Navy.
	Part of his career was in the intelligence division.
	He wrote this very detailed book of things that the government is doing, what programs they have.
	Secret societies.
	Yes, I read it.
	Unbelievable.
	I'm going to say one thing before I continue with my story.
	William Cooper in 1988, I have this book in my bookshelf, said you are going to see a ramped up increased level of school, specifically an increased ramped up school shootings or shootings at schools around the country in a government's effort to confiscate our guns.
	This was written in 1988.
	I think That prediction has turned into a very, very creepy prophecy.
	And so there is the legitimacy of this man.
	So I was living in a suburb called Northbrook, Illinois.
	It's the north suburb of Chicago.
	And I was about 30 years old at the time, and I was sitting on my couch reading William Cooper's book.
	Again, being a healthy skeptic.
	Everything I'm about to tell you is verbatim, especially with the timeline, because that's really important.
	And that's what Stan Friedman said.
	The timeline is mathematically impossible.
	And I'm reading this book and I'm going, oh, come on, you know, come on, the government can go into my brain and project my thoughts onto a computer monitor, you know, miles away and, you know, all these esoteric things that William Cooper was talking about, the government technology, a lot of it that we've gained from, you know, reverse engineering alien craft to the aliens themselves.
	And I'm doing the eye-rolling, like, come on, you know, come on.
	Like, really?
	And all of a sudden, my beeper goes off.
	Okay, this is 96, so don't make fun of me.
	We all had pagers.
	And I grab the pager, and I see a number, and it's a downtown Chicago number, 312 Prefects, and I dial it, and a young lady answers.
	She's like, can I help you?
	I'm like, oh, I just got a page.
	She's like, I didn't page anybody.
	I'm like, oh, are you 312?
	Yeah, that's my number.
	I said, oh, I... I don't know.
	I just got this page a second ago.
	She's like, sir, I didn't page her.
	I said, would you mind me asking?
	I hear, who are you?
	What's your name?
	She's like, well, I'm the general manager of Excalibur, which is a nightclub that was built out of an old cathedral church in downtown Chicago.
	She goes, I'm the general manager.
	She goes, what's funny is you called my private line.
	No one has this number except my husband and my best friends.
	And I thought, God, that's weird.
	General Manager of Excalibur?
	And I'm calling her private line in her office.
	I'm really sorry to bother you.
	Oh my God, no problem.
	Hung up.
	I'm my children, and I never swear on my children.
	I sat down on that couch.
	I read the last two sentences of a page.
	I turned the page, and the next page was Project Excalibur.
	Now, smoke and rays didn't shoot out of my walls.
	I told you this is not a big punchline.
	But that, Gary, that, I mean, I was frozen with, like, not fear, just like, wait, wait a minute.
	Wait.
	Private line at Excalibur, not four pages.
	I didn't go make coffee.
	I didn't go to the bathroom.
	I went back to the couch.
	I sat down.
	I read two lines.
	I flipped the page.
	Excalibur Project, which is a...
	Which was the government's trying to do nuclear weapons in space, nuclear-tized space, and I just about froze.
	I told a couple of friends, but people hearing that and the timing of it.
	You know, not a day later, not an hour later.
	Right, right.
	And the next page, not two pages, not the next chapter.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	I swear on my children, it was the next page in that book.
	Right, so this is what we call, slow down, this is what we call a synchronicity.
	So...
	So, this happened to you, and this is actually, you know, things like this go on all the time, as far as I'm concerned.
	So, what does that tell you about the universe?
	Well, I can just tell you, and this is a running joke in the automobile industry and the pro wrestling industry, in my world, I'm not saying all pro wrestlers know this about me, but in my little world of pro wrestling, My close friends and family, I will think of someone, someone will pop in my head that I haven't thought about for four months.
	I swear to God, within minutes they call.
	The last time it happened was three days ago.
	My lawyer, his name is Mateo Rago.
	He popped in my brain.
	I haven't thought about him literally for six months.
	And all of a sudden, I don't get his phone call, but I get the voicemail, John, I'm looking for a car for my son.
	You know, it's happened so much now that I laugh about him.
	I thought about an employee that we had.
	He's 85 years old.
	He's a World War II vet.
	I was in the bathroom at the auction, and I thought about him.
	I'm like, geez, I've got to call Tom.
	You know, he's a nice guy.
	You know, I love him.
	He's one of my good friends.
	I got to call him.
	As I was coming out from the bathroom, four seconds later, another employee of mine, a buyer at the auction, comes in and says, hey, when's the last time you talked to Tom Mahoney?
	I don't know.
	I can't explain that.
	I'm not going to spend a thousand dollars on psychiatrists to figure that out, but I'm telling you, everyone in my life knows this has been happening for four or five years of my life.
	It is not something that has been happening my whole life, but it happened two days ago.
	I just told you who his name was.
	It wasn't a phone call.
	It was a voicemail.
	It's very bizarre.
	Right, absolutely.
	And it's, again, something that I can't explain.
	All right, fair enough.
	Well, this does go on, and I see it all the time.
	And it's not just because of surveillance.
	Of course, you know the joke.
	If you want to talk to the CIA, just talk to the wall, right?
	You've heard that.
	Well, Carrie, you know, it's not only that...
	I do subscribe.
	You know, I call her Jesus Christ, Oprah.
	You know, Oprah has this theory that what you put out into the universe...
	Very quick story.
	I passed a small, tiny, old hot dog stand into a side of a building for nine years going on my way to the dealership.
	My wife said, we should start this side business, this donut business where this downtown one has a line like concert tickets and we'll make big donuts.
	This was unrented for eight years.
	I called the guy that day.
	His verbatim conversation, John, would you believe I just wrote a lease on it two days ago?
	So if you put stuff into the airways, I do believe that.
	We are that powerful as human beings that when we put something out there mentally, I do believe people pick it up.
	I absolutely believe.
	You couldn't convince me any other way.
	I don't know why it happens, but it's real.
	Okay, very good.
	And I agree with you.
	And there's a lot of things, you know, we're also connected.
	We're also very psychic.
	So we're naturally telepathic is what's happening.
	And more and more, this is going to become evident.
	Now, it looks like you have done various investigations.
	So we've got a list of that right now.
	But before we go there, I want to ask you, have you seen a UFO? We have a summer home in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
	And, you know, I grew up seeing the aurora borealis and stars that were, you know, that you thought you were a planetarium.
	And I'm 52 years old.
	And one time we saw the dancing star, I think it's either Venus or, yeah, it's Venus.
	And this thing was moving in the sky.
	We called an astronomer.
	At the Planetarium in Chicago.
	They said, no, no, you saw it dancing Venus and the clouds and the refraction make it look like it's dancing in the sky.
	That was weird.
	Then about four years later, this was about two and a half, three years ago, we were sitting on my dock.
	Everyone was looking at all the stars.
	And my attention went this way, which would have been the north.
	And not a big deal.
	All I did was see a light, and it was in the sky.
	And as it just people were over the tree line, it did a loop in a loop in a loop and then dropped down and then went up.
	Well, this is at night.
	I mean, there's not sky riders and biplanes and acrobatic planes at night in the upper peninsula of Michigan.
	And but my aunt and my uncle and my other aunt and uncle had a very what I would call very close encounter.
	They saw a craft and this is my aunt and uncles.
	These are religious, Catholic, you know, like 82, 80 years old right now.
	This is not, you know, National Enquirer.
	We want to get famous.
	They only told a handful of us, our relatives.
	And they saw this craft with like they described it as like glass tubes coming out the bottom with lights.
	And it came down.
	It did follow the power line.
	I find that interesting.
	I don't know if that would be military or extraterrestrial, but I do find it interesting that it came down the power line.
	And they said, as it was about they said about a thousand to fifteen hundred feet in the air.
	And as it got about a half a mile in front of them.
	just shot straight up in the sky.
	But they could clearly see, like, tube-like structures coming down from this craft that were full of lights.
	And, you know, again, these are people right now that are 85, 82, 79 years old.
	My uncle was a corporate executive.
	I won't say what, you know, What corporation, you know, my aunt and uncle are very successful.
	This is not, you know, people looking for attention.
	And just to tell people out there, Wisconsin and upper peninsula of Michigan, I don't know if a lot of people realize this.
	I'm not insulting you.
	There is two parts of Michigan, a lower part, which is on the east side of Lake Michigan, and we also have an upper part above Wisconsin.
	I can't believe a lot of people do not realize that.
	But Wisconsin and Michigan are really, can be really, really creepy.
	I mean, just, you know, beautiful resorts.
	You know, I spent my childhood up.
	I have great parents who gave me a childhood spent in a summer home in Upper Michigan.
	You know, you couldn't write it better in a novel.
	But Wisconsin can, especially, can be, has a lot of just, you know, I would just call it very weird things.
	Um, That, you know, that might be due to the beer consumption.
	I don't know.
	There's a lot of weird things that have happened in Wisconsin that, you know, that are even on my list, too.
	Oh, all right.
	Okay, very good.
	Now, in terms of the, you know, you've seen a UFO, right?
	So what about the...
	So it's something that I can't explain.
	Okay, and is that the only time that you've seen one?
	That's correct.
	Okay, now what about being abducted?
	Do you have any memory of being abducted when you were a kid?
	No, I do not.
	And what about family?
	Well, my father tells everybody something happened to this guy.
	Okay, okay.
	Fair enough.
	And I've never met anybody that claimed to, but I believe with all of my body that that phenomenon is real, that it is happening to people.
	And again, I will go back to everyone that's rolling their eyes right now.
	You believe in this, but you should really look at your Bible that says, if we can get into that, you know, back in Jesus Christ said, you want to know when the second coming of man will happen?
	When I will return?
	He said one thing.
	It will be the same as in the days of Noah.
	And something interesting happened back in Genesis in the days of Noah, where Again, Catholics, you believe this.
	It's written in your Bible that we hear this event that, you know, that meant the angels came down from the heavens.
	They lusted and mated with women and created this alien or extraterrestrial or angelic human hybrid called the Nephilim.
	Now, most people think that Nephilim The Greek word Nathal means giants.
	It doesn't.
	Ancient historians like Totalia, Ambrose, Josephus, who was a Jewish historian, those writers and those historians back from antiquity all knew that the real meaning and definition of Nathalem is the fallen ones, those who came from the sky.
	Right.
	So we had this bizarre mixing of the angelic, to make Christians feel good, the angelic in human DNA. And all through history, for the past 5,000 years, we've had wars and famines and pestilence and disasters of all kinds, and we've done horrible things to each other.
	Nothing was truly identical.
	That happened in the days of Noah.
	That has happened all through the modern history of the world until the past 20 and 30 years.
	And that is what people are claiming around the world, backed up by a Harvard psychiatrist, that they are being abducted.
	And, you know, crazy things are not happening, like, you know, rays are coming out of the alien's eyes.
	It is simply a medical test, and either semen or ovum are taken from the man or the woman and they are being told that this is to create this hybridized race now wait a minute Catholics this is from the Bible the Bible said the angels came down and made it with the women on earth and created this this progeny which God passed the final judgment of the flood to wipe out
	this this race And for 5,000, 6,000 years, there's not been one significant thing that is unique to Noah's days until now, for the past 30 years, and that is people being abducted, and again, there are semen and ovum taken, and they're being told and shown this, for lack of a better word, alien, hybrid, biological beings.
	And, you know, I'm taking a page from the Catholic books.
	People can roll their eyes all they want.
	But a Harvard psychiatrist and the Roman Catholic Church is on my side, not yours.
	Okay.
	You know, this is the truth.
	No, it's fair enough.
	That's okay.
	He smiled at the sons of man.
	Wait a minute.
	You know, I thought aliens or angels, you know, I thought it was just God in the beginning.
	Who are the sons of man that he smiled at?
	And we read in there, he made man of his own image.
	So, were we manipulated by an alien entity that looks similar to us?
	Absolutely.
	Now, slow down, because some people want to know, are you a Mason, a Freemason, a member of a secret society?
	Not at all.
	I'm a car dealer from Chicago.
	I grew up in the Northwestern, Chicago.
	I was a former pro wrestler and a politician, you know.
	All right.
	I'm going to work tomorrow and do an auto watch.
	And I'm not going into a dungeon and have a secret.
	No, I just...
	That's right.
	That's true.
	Now...
	I'm glad we're on that topic.
	Let me say one thing.
	But what is unique about my life and experience is that I've experienced some really unique, fun, fascinating, crazy things of, you know...
	Being on TV, being a pro wrestler, playing football, being a politician, experiencing, you know, I've driven race cars.
	I have experienced it all in life.
	But one thing I've done is I've kept my eyes.
	I did what the old school wrestlers always told me to do.
	Keep my mouth shut, which I didn't do a lot of times.
	But more importantly, keep my ears open.
	So I've garnered all of this information.
	And, you know, maybe it comes out that I'm like an insider, but I am not.
	But I've had the opportunity to peek inside the game.
	And that's...
	That's unfortunate for me.
	Alright, fair enough.
	Now, let's see.
	Okay, you've got this list here.
	The moon landing.
	What do you want to say about the moon landing?
	This is a great...
	For everybody out there, when I contacted Carrie to be on this program, one of the reasons I did that was because I found myself with...
	I'm a ripperologist.
	I researched Jack the Ripper for 20 years.
	I'm a truth seeker.
	I want to know the truth.
	What I found in the Ripperology world and in the Bigfoot phenomenon world is all this infighting and it becomes a subculture.
	And the conspiracy truth community has also done that.
	The fighting that people do with each other.
	You've got to be a little kinder with people.
	Absolutely.
	I'm on this program because I want to enter your community and I want to be that guy that Restores a little peace and maybe a little sanity to tell people.
	This is how you're going to get on TV to talk about your subject.
	This is how you're going to approach a politician and have him take up your cause.
	So he doesn't think you're wearing a tinfoil hat.
	And I don't mean that in a negative way.
	So you're not kookified or you're not looked at as crazy.
	And one of the things about it is the moon landing.
	There is not a person on earth that can tell me That those Apollo astronauts risked their lives going up into sub-orbit, the mathematics, the schooling, the training that they had endured.
	You're not going to tell me that Neil Armstrong went into that mock-up lunar lander on Earth, crashed and almost killed himself, and then got into a capsule and faked the moon landing.
	However, I believe that two things happened.
	I believe we landed on the moon.
	I also believe that we had a simulated moon landing for every one of the moon landings for two reasons.
	Number one, for contingency.
	And government is all about contingency.
	In case something went wrong.
	And number two, for propaganda.
	So the pictures and the video did look good.
	I think when The government and NASA looked at that first grainy black and white image of Neil Armstrong and they went, oh, how are we going to get two more billion dollars out of the American people?
	I believe that.
	I believe that.
	I've seen a video on Bart Cybrow.
	Again, I'm going to start with the last name, so don't crucify me.
	Bart Cybrow, for everyone out there who don't know him, has an incredible video called Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon.
	He's showing an astronaut that is literally on like a marionette puppet where he's on strings.
	He falls down.
	He tells the other astronaut, you know, hey buddy, press on my head a little bit.
	And you literally see his legs go up magically, like he's on strings.
	And then, you know, if you research NASA, they practice by having strings and wires.
	This is done in theatrics, and I know this from the entertainment industry, where they hook you up to wires, and you can, you know, the Peter Pan musical uses this and whatnot.
	And I believe that.
	You know, we have images now where...
	We see the lunar modules that are on the moon.
	We see the tire tracks of the lunar rover.
	I understand the conspiracy community on this.
	There are pictures of the lunar rover, the little car that costs $50 million, where it's just sitting there in a picture.
	There's no tire tracks before, no tire tracks in front of it, and there's no footprints around it.
	Who put it down there?
	You want to put it down from the craft?
	It would have been a little bit.
	So I understand you.
	The moon landing conspiracy group, I understand you.
	You are not off balance.
	When NASA told us a year ago, well, we want to go back to the moon with a van mission, but we've got to figure out how to get through the Van Allen radiation bounce.
	Well, wait a minute.
	We've already been through them.
	So moon conspiracy people are not crazy.
	Okay, okay.
	I appreciate...
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Slow, slow down.
	Okay, I appreciate that.
	So your sort of point of view is that we did not go to the moon.
	Is that correct?
	And we faked it.
	There isn't anybody out there that's met an astronaut and had a normal conversation.
	I am.
	I met John Lovell at dinner with him.
	Oh, buffet dinner with him, I should say, at a cocktail party in downtown Chicago.
	You can't tell me that that man...
	You know, risked his life to fake something.
	You know, people say, well, look at the...
	So, okay, wait, slow down, slow down.
	So if you don't think he faked it, do you think that he was mind-controlled, or do you think he went to the moon?
	I think we went to the moon.
	I think we also faked a set of video...
	All right.
	A duplicate set of videos.
	Because of production values.
	That's basically your theory.
	Okay.
	Well, let me tell you, let me, you know, I am Project Camelot and I really do appreciate you and I appreciate your point of view, but I am going to tell you what we know.
	That we went to the moon, but we had help.
	There's no way, and again, they're lying to you.
	They're not going through the Van Allen belt.
	That's not how you get to the moon.
	You have to bend space, and everyone knows that already.
	So this is a completely illogical conversation that NASA is trying to have with anybody at this day and age, which is completely outrageous and completely stupid.
	And they obviously think people have, you know, really no brains at all.
	So it's really sad.
	The secret space program has been using free energy forever.
	And we have, you know, very above top secret witnesses, including William Tompkins, who, you know, was working for the Navy, Navy Intelligence.
	And did you not hear my interviews with William Tompkins?
	And he basically said, yes, not only did we go to the moon, but we encountered reptilians there.
	And he says that he heard John Glenn.
	I think it was John Glenn.
	were five alien craft that were to the west of him right above a crater.
	Right.
	That'd be shown to the American Right, and this is why they needed to fake footage and so on and so forth, because you couldn't show that they were being watched every step of the way, which is what happens now if you go to the moon as well, by the way.
	So, okay, we're going to move on to the next thing, 9-11.
	We're going to go from the frying pan into the fire.
	So what do you want to say about 9-11?
	Well, I remember, like everyone, I remember the day it happened, and It involved the coverage like the day JFK died.
	I was not alive then.
	Suddenly we had the pictures of 15 hijackers.
	We knew their bios.
	Pictures of them.
	We knew everything about them.
	Except to stop them from going on a plane.
	Two things about 9-11.
	You can't...
	The buildings didn't fall down.
	Folks, they were pulverized.
	Concrete, telephones, 90% of their buildings and everything in it didn't fall down.
	It was overrised.
	There's over a thousand architects and engineers that are demolition experts that have signed affidavits that said this was a controlled demolition.
	And our own president of the United States, Donald Trump, said it seemed like there were also bombs replanted in the buildings.
	That's your president.
	This isn't John Stewart.
	That's the President of the United States making that statement.
	I think the biggest tragedy, Carrie, and it still makes my blood boil, and I've never met her.
	I don't know her.
	I don't know anybody that knows her.
	I can't make an opinion of her.
	The fact that Condoleezza Rice, in August, had a memo in front of her, this bright, intelligent African-American government official, had a memo in front of her that said, you know, Al-Qaeda plans on using planes as missiles, Hijack them and run them into buildings.
	And then later testifies to Congress, I think in October of that same year, we had no knowledge that this was going to happen.
	And she gets away with it.
	Yet a yeoman who passes some stupid secret file from a computer goes to jail for 20 years.
	But Condoleezza Rice could stop a 9-11 attack and doesn't, along with George Bush and Dick Cheney.
	And they go free.
	And this is...
	This is the kerosene that fuels the conspiracy movement.
	If Condoleezza Rice would have at least been questioned and thrashed and interrogated and reprimanded by Congress, I would have felt, I think with a lot of other people, a sigh of relief.
	But we whitewashed this.
	We concealed facts.
	We had a president and vice president testify in a sealed and enclosed doors together on purpose, you know, in three buildings that were pulverized.
	And you do, well now, okay, but you do know it was an inside job.
	Tell me you know that.
	If it wasn't inside, it was let back.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I am...
	9-11 makes my blood boil, and it's one of the things that started, that makes the country feel helpless.
	We can't, it's almost like we can't do anything, but I think we are starting to gain ground on that, you know, and the internet has been wonderful about it, and there's been some crazy theories that have creeped in, and that takes the average per Joe on the street and goes, oh god, you know, we're gonna, you know, instead of talking about the basics like I just did, and I'm not saying I am Mr.
	Let me present the conspiracy to each other.
	But, you know, buildings that were pulverized, that would somebody say, well, that guy's right, that there was barely any steel left or anything left.
	It was...
	All right, so it's good that you've done your homework on that.
	I'm very glad to hear it.
	Okay, now, Bigfoot.
	Well, this is near to my heart.
	This is something that, you know, I'm teased about relentlessly.
	I'll just be very quick on this.
	Look, folks, I wrote a historical screenplay on Lewis and Clark, and about the black slave that accompanied them.
	I'm not saying that to impress you, I'm just saying.
	So I had to study, in great detail, the Indian tribes of the western United States, the Adatsa, the Flathead Indians, and even before the Mandans.
	Look, seven, eight hundred years ago, Native American Indians had no other reason to put this Huge, hairy, bipedal hominoid on the pottery, woven in the baskets, in their folklore.
	You know, there was a lot of things to warn little Indian kids about the wild, mudslides, tornadoes, bobcats.
	You didn't have to make up a creature to convince your, and I'm being serious about this, to convince your adolescent Native American Indian child that What is out there in the woods is a really dangerous place or can be.
	And so there is no other reason.
	There wasn't the National Enquirer 700 years ago.
	Fast forward.
	I think that we've had the ramped up of the Bigfoot phenomenon for one simple reason.
	Urban sprawl.
	We are now, because of construction techniques, of cars, of people's freedom on the weekends, we are now pushing further and further and further into the deep woods.
	That is why I think we have seen a ramped up of sightings From the 50s, because the urban sprawl started after World War II. One thing that really...
	I'm going to just spit out things.
	We see all these footprints, and I find it funny.
	Footprints from all over the country, all over the world, they're usually the same footprint.
	They're not human-like, where it goes down, it goes in, it's like one big foot, and it's usually that one little arch in the middle.
	It does not look like a human footprint.
	We find out that Jeff Meldrum, who's a professor of physiology and human locomotion, that if you had an eight, nine thousand pound creature, he would not have a human foot.
	You know, we basically polvo our footprint.
	You know, we basically polvo our steps.
	We are on springs.
	If you weigh a thousand pounds, you'd have to be flat foot.
	I find it funny that all of these hoaxers got together for 40 years and decided Before Jeff Meldrum figured this out about what a footprint would look like, that they would hoax and they would all be on the same page with their footprints.
	People said, well, they must have taken machines out there or something.
	And then we measured footprints.
	The community has measured footprints.
	You'd have to be 1,000 pounds to go that deep in the mud.
	We don't see...
	Other machinery or wheels or something a thousand-pound mechanism was wheeled out of two miles in the Sierra Nevada mountains to make footprints that a thousand-pound creature could make?
	I mean, come on.
	What are we really talking about?
	What are we talking about?
	We're just talking about a very large, possibly ape-like creature or a relic population of some kind of Neolithic or primitive man.
	And when you tell me, well, that's impossible, look, We had a war in Vietnam.
	600,000 service men were over there.
	We defoliated the entire forest in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos.
	Just four years ago, we discovered that there's a miniature horse roaming the Vietnam forest that no one, you know, the millions of soldiers on both sides never saw.
	And we just discovered it three years ago.
	You know, that fish that was...
	That's wonderful.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Okay.
	You know, my last thing at Bigfoot is, look, 6,000 sightings.
	If one is correct, it's a real phenomenon.
	We have fingerprints.
	He's from Detroit.
	He's one of the best fingerprint analysis.
	He took a fingerprint from a window.
	He said, it's not human.
	It's not ape.
	It's in between.
	We've got dermal ridges on a footprint.
	You mean to tell me that a hoaxer in his garage cut dermal ridges in the bottom of casts?
	Come on.
	Come on.
	Please.
	How about just a really large creature?
	Okay, slow down now.
	You live in these kind of backwoods...
	Well, I don't know if you're actually...
	Your house is in the backwoods, but you said you spent summers, maybe.
	So, did you ever see anything that looked like a Yeti or a Bigfoot?
	No, I never have, but I had an experience two years ago.
	I went out with some Bigfoot researchers to the Avon Bottoms.
	This was featured on MonsterQuest.
	A girl by the name of Katie Zahn claimed that her two friends...
	Saw creatures bending down on the river and scooping up water.
	They were hairy.
	They looked, you know, wolf or ape-like or whatnot.
	They were huge.
	They ran.
	She told her dad.
	She went to the police.
	She's taken three lie detector tests.
	She will not recant her story.
	She is, you know, matter of fact, that this is what her and her friends saw.
	And she'll tell anybody, including the police, that this happened.
	So we went out to what's called the Avon Bottoms in Wisconsin.
	And it was five of us.
	And so I took a stick, you know, being the skeptic, because you have to.
	You know, you want to be a good scientist and a good researcher, you've got to be a healthy skeptic, you know.
	So I take the stick, I go whack, whack, whack against the tree.
	We are in the middle of nowhere.
	Within 15 seconds, whack, whack, whack back.
	I looked up there in the car, Chicken Littles were sitting in the car while Charlie the Chump's out there with the...
	And I did it again, waited about 30 seconds, and we were like a bongo, not a woodpecker, like what sounded like somebody on the bongos.
	I don't mean that noise, but like that rhythmic, and we both looked at each other.
	People are like, I want to see an alien.
	I want to see a bigfoot.
	No, you don't.
	It's creepy.
	I mean, it's creepy.
	We got back in the car, and somebody set up a A little sound device that imitated an injured fawn or an injured baby coyote.
	And we started playing that and darkness grew and we shut it up and we just sat there.
	One was a Marine, myself, and two other women, all very long-term Bigfoot researchers.
	And in the middle of nowhere, pitch black at night, we heard a bipedal person or something walking on two feet towards the truck.
	And you think you want to, you know, I'm going to take pictures and I'm going to stick around.
	One guy was a former Marine, had a sidearm.
	Me, I'm a former professional wrestler.
	We were in the backseat.
	I told these two women, start the car, let's go.
	We actually left the coyote call device there.
	So we had to go back and pick it up.
	I mean, just absolute.
	People talk about, you know, just being, you know, mesmerized or paralyzed or hypnotized by it.
	I know what they mean.
	It's not that.
	It's this weird, creepy feeling that you are not, that someone is out there that maybe doesn't want to do your harm, but it's not something that you're familiar with.
	And that feeling, you know, and I've been a hunter my whole life, that feeling is terrifying.
	All right.
	Okay, very well done.
	Okay, and now let's see, G-A-F-K. You know, I'm from Chicago, so, you know, You have a person by the name of James Files who claims to be the grassy nose shooter.
	His story has been held up under scrutiny by many people.
	He basically said that, you know, Sam Giancana called for the hit on JFK because of two things.
	That JFK was having an affair with one of the McGuire sisters, who was Sam Giancana's girlfriend, and that is a cardinal sin in the Mafia.
	Number two...
	Because he reneged that and not going after the mob after they helped him out in winning the election against Nixon.
	And they won Cook County for him, without a doubt.
	I also think, and this pains me to say, because it talks about a former vice president and president, but you have Lyndon Johnson's mistress for no other reason, at 75 years of age, coming out and saying, look, two nights before JFK was murdered, my boyfriend, Lyndon Johnson, came out of A room full of, you know, oil men and businessmen and said, you know, those goddamn Kennedys are not going to embarrass me anymore.
	And we all know, I just read about this a month ago, that Lyndon Johnson was on the edge of the cliff of being prosecuted for all kinds of financial crimes and even possibly participating in the collusion and ordering of a murder.
	Max Wallace, I believe, was his, like, personal hitman.
	And Time Magazine, one of the big magazines in New York, was going to publish an article literally ending Lyndon Johnson's political career and most likely sending him to prison.
	So his back was against the wall.
	And it's funny because Jimmy Files, who claims to fire from the grassy knolls, said, you know, just before I fired, Kennedy's head went forward and he tells you why it did.
	Charles Nicoletti and Johnny Roselli were in the Deltex building and they fired first.
	A fraction of a second before Files fired and Files aimed at Kennedy's eye and hit his skull.
	Four team surgeons said there was no back of John F. Kennedy's head left.
	There was nothing there.
	Yet the Warren Commission takes the testimony of two other doctors that say that the bullet wound came from the back and we have the picture where the brain was You know, literally falling out of JFK's head.
	And if you really look close to this, you can see where the government browned out the back of John F. Kennedy's head.
	It looks like somebody took a brush stroke of black.
	And the person that worked in the lab at Kodak in Rochester, New York, I just watched this two weeks ago, too.
	He was a 75-year-old guy.
	He said that, you know, he saw what he saw.
	The head was blown back.
	And he was shown the news approval film.
	He said, that's not what I saw.
	That's not what I took stills of and did a storyboard for the FBI and the Secret Service.
	And he said two other people, his superiors, came in that night and left the following morning and obviously must have altered that film.
	You know, so, you know, it's indicting a lot of people, but, you know...
	All right, but did you read The Devil's...
	Okay, did you read The Devil's Chessboard?
	About The Devil's Chessboard?
	That's one of the most recent sort of rundowns on what went on with Kennedy's death, having to do with Dulles and his role.
	You know, Carrie, too, I don't say this to brag or anything, but Jimmy Files...
	He lives in the area of Chicago right now.
	We used to actually go to the same Italian neighborhood diner.
	I've never seen him there.
	He's actually done business with a lot of guys in the car business, old-time car dealers and stuff that I've known of.
	It gets a little too familiar almost.
	It's a little creepy.
	You know, here's a guy just emphatically saying what happened the day before, where he was the day before, what car he drove, who he picked up, what he did after the killing.
	And again, his story is all bare truth.
	And the fact that Kennedy was shot from the butt, I mean, 35 people rushed up the grassy knoll.
	Why?
	Because they heard shots from somewhere else?
	No, they heard a shot, you know, from the grassy knoll.
	You have the deaf mute, Mr.
	Hoffman who claimed to shot somebody's shoe the pump of smoke the person put the gun in the case and changed his hat same thing what Jimmy file said and merely walked off in his way what is Mr. Hoffman a deaf mute gonna make up some story I mean it's just you know it's just ridiculous yes Did we eventually lie about it because we thought we were going to go to war with Russia?
	Yeah.
	Did it really prevent a nuclear war with Russia?
	Maybe it did.
	That's my side of the conspiracy, where you tone it down a little bit when you're talking to people.
	How are you going to go against Lyndon Johnson?
	He's the president of the United States.
	It's like that movie from Dave.
	We're going to get in so much trouble.
	From who?
	The government.
	I'm the government.
	So I can see Lyndon Johnson saying, who's going to catch us?
	It's 1960s.
	I'm the government.
	I'm, you know.
	Fair enough.
	A government, including the president, that, as ashamed as I am to say this, probably colluded in the murder of a president in a coup that did take place.
	Oh yeah, absolutely.
	Okay, so now there's quite a big list here.
	I don't think we're going to get to the end of the show, and you're doing a great job, but who knows, you're going pretty quickly.
	But I just want to say, is there any area that you want to zero in on in this list?
	Yeah, you know, like Nibiru, this is the planet of the crossings.
	This really bothers me because I lost a lot of money in the stock market when people said to sell or buy precious metals.
	And I lost money back in 2011, 12, and 13.
	People like John Moran, this is this Vietnam veteran that had the naval map.
	I think, John, you're a gentleman.
	I think you're sincere.
	I don't think you're a fraud.
	Can we repeat that?
	I don't think you're a fraud.
	But you're full of shit.
	You know, you went around everywhere, scared the bejesus out of everybody, and nothing happened.
	And a lot of people lost money.
	I think lost a lot more than just, you know, buying your CD. And that bothers me.
	You know, John Moore could have went around very easily and said, Hey, I think at some point, because naval people were told, that the sea levels will rise.
	Well, my dad and my sister think the sea levels are rising.
	on the east and west coast.
	You see it already in Miami.
	Why don't you have to scare us?
	That really bothers me.
	That is what I want to talk about with the government.
	Why doesn't the government, and I'm glad I got to talk about this, why doesn't the government say we have ETs, we have extraterrestrial crap, they've been coming here for thousands of years.
	We know a binary star system with a brown dwarf is coming into our solar system, It's going to cause mass havoc.
	This is what you've been read about in the Bibles and in the history of every 3,600 years.
	Think about John Moore as Vice President.
	John Moore is the President of the United States.
	I'm being serious.
	Think about this.
	Think about this when your next conspiracy comes to your mind.
	John Moore as the President of the United States gets up there and says, there is a binary star system.
	It's going to come in.
	It's going to flood the coast.
	You would have people, you would have a collapse of global, the global collapse of civilization in a nanosecond.
	People moving from California, North Carolina, inland.
	But wait one second now.
	You know that they're still saying it.
	You do know that.
	I know they are.
	I mean, the funny thing is, yeah, no, I mean, because I've been doing this now in Camelot for 14 years, we've been like a centralization point.
	We have heard this since the first time we went, really started investigating.
	So every year, especially in the months of October and November, I don't know what those months are all about, but for some reason they're like the The bellwether, the ones when everything terrible that you ever thought of is going to happen.
	Little bit of September, usually end of September, but definitely October and November, you're going to be trashed no matter what.
	Whether it's the monetary system or...
	Nibiru, you name it.
	But the crazy thing is there's still good evidence for all of it.
	And it's funny because today I just posted...
	You can go to the front page of Camelot.
	I posted this guy.
	I've interviewed him several times.
	His name is Peter Padgett.
	He works for the Queen of England as a spy.
	He did most of his life.
	He's basically got to be quiet about a lot of things, but he does know a lot of things.
	And he...
	And he already, on Veterans Today, I also published it on my site.
	Okay, so you can go to Veterans Today and read his article, or you can go to my site and read the version I got over email before it became an article, as far as I knew.
	And I'm the one who gave him, by the way, the Dutch Sense article.
	Information about the volcanism and everything else.
	He didn't even know who Dutch Sins was.
	So now he has made a statement about basically the Illuminati wish list or their Christmas list for what everything they plan against humanity.
	And it includes all those kinds of things.
	OK, again, again, you see what I'm saying?
	No, I'm agreeing with you.
	I'm just saying, this is their...
	You're not going to be told something if Colonel something, President blah blah, doesn't know for sure.
	No, I think if they know for sure, you're not going to be told because they're not going to warn humanity.
	Exactly.
	They're not.
	They're not.
	Sorry.
	Because they don't know themselves.
	Well, that's another matter.
	We can go back and forth on that because, you know, they have something called the Yellow Cube.
	I don't know if you ever heard that.
	And it predicts the future as well as the Looking Glass.
	So Project Looking Glass, etc.
	This is alien technology.
	They do have means by which to see the future.
	And if you don't believe that, then you should know about Giordi Rose and the D-Wave.
	Okay.
	And artificial intelligence and quantum computing because he claims and he's, you know, he's like a software exec type person who's in Silicon Valley.
	I think he's originally from Canada or something.
	You can go on and watch a TED talk with him.
	20 minutes.
	He'll tell you that he stands next to his D-Wave machine that the government and NASA are using and all the secret space program are using right now and that it can read your mind.
	Okay.
	So...
	So, you know, so these are the things that are happening now.
	It's very advanced.
	But it's true.
	Back when John Moer was saying, it didn't happen.
	But you know what?
	They mislead those guys as well.
	See, nobody gets that.
	Okay?
	My point is to take a deep breath in our community and realize that at times we are not being told things for two reasons.
	They don't want to cause panic.
	And I'm not a government insider.
	Because they don't know.
	They're not going to put their ass on the line.
	I think you're a crack up.
	No, I really, I think you're a sweet man.
	I think you're very straight, a straight shooter.
	I really do appreciate you.
	And I appreciate this interview.
	So your point is well taken.
	Okay.
	That's all I wanted to do.
	It's all good.
	Now, do you acknowledge, are you aware of Area 51, S4? It says you wanted to talk about the alien interview, but look, do you know about the secret space program?
	Do you acknowledge its existence?
	Absolutely.
	100%.
	All right.
	Again, don't crucify me here.
	I saw a video where the CEO or president of Skunk Works said, Basically said, we have technology that can take us to the stars and back.
	Ben Rich.
	Yep.
	So if you don't believe somebody that is developing secret weapons, skunk works for anyone that doesn't know, is the secret corporation that helps the government develop all kinds of high tech and black ops and black projects.
	And he basically said that we can go to the stars and back many times over.
	We've been doing it.
	For many, many, many years.
	So, if you're not going to take his opinion, I guess what's me telling you is a good opinion.
	So, 20 years ago, there was a video came out from a dry lake, an area called Esquire.
	It's a branch off of Area 51, for people that don't know.
	And the person on there that smuggled this video footage out was named Victor.
	They disguised his voice and his features.
	For 20 years, I have just on and off in my free time, been researching little things about it, and I knew that I couldn't prove that that was an actual alien being interviewed, but I could maybe research things around it, and I could form a hypothesis.
	I'm very well-versed at this, and I'm very proud of what I did, especially in the last month, knowing that I would try and come on this program.
	I don't know if we could see this really good.
	But this is a picture of the alien, and this is this kind of health, you know, I call it a pulse-ocximity monitor.
	It measured either the heart rhythm or the pulse of this creature.
	So, two things of the video.
	It says DNI embedded into the video.
	DNI slash 27.
	Now, everyone thinks that that's the Department of Naval Intelligence.
	Jon Stewart, your devil's advocate of the conspiracy community, I call the Office of Naval Intelligence.
	They do not refer to themselves as the Department of Naval Intelligence.
	So D&I is not the Department of Naval Intelligence.
	What I did find out that D&I could stand for, in this video, the Director of Naval Intelligence or the Director of National Intelligence.
	And I think if you have got video, if you are videoing the interviews of extraterrestrial biological entities, I think that that would be such a compartmentalized, that video would be so compartmentalized that only it would go to the Director of National Intelligence for the United States and maybe a few people underneath them that have that clearance.
	So I thought that was very interesting.
	I was very proud of myself because I never heard anyone else say that on video that this is not Department of Naval Intelligence.
	It's because there's no such thing of that.
	It's office.
	And this could be the Director of National Intelligence or the Director of Naval Intelligence.
	The other thing that I also did a lot of research on in the last month was this little meter.
	It was a clear plane of glass held up by two brackets.
	And after talking with people that have built these things for the past 30 years, these health monitors, blood pressure monitors or heart monitors, you know, this was taken back in 89, 90, 91.
	Back then, it was a very small screen.
	It was brownish.
	It had a big box behind it with wires.
	A single plate glass I called Space Labs, which was the company that developed any kind of monitor for NASA and for the government.
	And I talked to two engineers, one of them that's been there for 35 years.
	I mean, I did my homework as a good researcher.
	And I talked to somebody that worked in the 80s and 90s for Hewlett-Packard.
	Who was the other company that was making that monitor?
	None of them know of that monitor, and I do believe them.
	I was very clandestine the way I approached it.
	I said, I'm a television producer, and I just want information.
	I then found an article about the history of health monitor.
	And I talked to a person who wrote that article, and I told him all about it.
	I sent him the pictures.
	And he basically told me, nobody manufactured that back in 1991.
	So what you're trying to tell me is that we, you know, nobody made a heart monitor anywhere like that in the company that worked for NASA or Hewlett Packard, but that hoaxers from a bad video company, production company in Hollywood, made that monitor.
	Another thing that, and so I really almost kind of proved that it could not have been manufactured that way.
	And one of the engineers said that it didn't sweep, you know, how the beat A sweep pattern like this.
	It stayed in motion and went up and down and went up and down.
	So, you know, again, nobody manufactured that back when this video was made.
	And I certainly don't think a hoaxer could have created something like that.
	It was high-tech wires coming out the back, barely visible.
	And I think that that proves that that video is indeed true.
	And one more thing about the video, there was a lot of people, debunkers say, well, when the doctors came out to look at the alien in distress, they had scrubs that were short sleeves and just masks.
	Now look, Kittery, if you and I were paid a million dollars to hoax that video, you and I and nine billion other people were Would have had those doctors come out in sealed biocontainment suits to really goose it up.
	I think the fact that doctors came out, medical staff came out in short-sleeved scrubs and face masks tells me that they know that the alien wasn't that really much of a danger biologically, contaminant-wise to them, and they weren't so much of a danger to the alien themselves.
	No need for an entire biocontainment thing.
	When people lie, And they're trying to set up and tell a story.
	They go over.
	You know, this is how you catch a liar.
	You know, Johnny, did you steal a cookie?
	No, I didn't.
	The liar says, no, I didn't.
	When Bobby and I walked in the house, we saw the cookie jar, but we realized that dinner was coming soon and we didn't touch it.
	You know, so I think people, I think a hoaxer would have went overboard with those medical professionals.
	And lastly, Victor, you know, the man that smuggled the tape out.
	You don't talk like you can't make up.
	The vernacular that he uses, the pattern that he uses.
	Somebody said in a blog, this is like talking to a tech guy at my work on steroids.
	And I agree with that.
	Victor talks about when we took the alien, the alien was in the interview suite.
	Who would ever have come up with that name suite?
	We all would have said room, interrogation room, the area.
	No one would have came up with suite.
	That is a military term.
	And lastly on the video, Victor says...
	The creature started to flag.
	I thought that was strange.
	I'm like, what is...
	We can interpret that it means he was in distress.
	That is an old, old school medical term that I found on the internet.
	Someone flagging.
	Red flagging.
	And for Victor to use that, that kind of terminology, to cop that out of the air...
	I don't believe it for one bit.
	I don't believe it for one bit.
	So what you're saying is you don't think it's a hoax.
	You think it's a real video.
	I think it's real from start to finish.
	I think Victor's one of the most credible people that I've ever heard talk about any kind of...
	I'm going to tell you something.
	You know, I can get in touch with this guy.
	He's in England and he's a researcher.
	He's been researching this thing forever.
	I wrote him an email.
	He didn't answer me, though.
	Okay.
	Well, I'll get you in touch with him, all right?
	Because I think you have some very good points.
	I'm delighted with what you've said.
	And I think you've got a very interesting mind.
	There's a device here that's not been manufactured ever.
	So a bad production company from Hollywood manufactured it?
	Come on.
	It's complete.
	And that's how you can go about this.
	All right.
	Well, there are a lot of sides to that story, but it is an interesting, really an interesting approach.
	And thank you for that.
	So let me see here.
	I've got...
	Okay.
	Why Philip Corso is legit?
	Well, I certainly think he's legit, but go ahead.
	Why do you...
	You know, again...
	Forget telling people at the cocktail party about the bodies that were saw, you know, this and that and the crash.
	You know, Bill, of course, was legit because if you're not a colonel or his superior at the time, and you have got this information, you have the greatest story, literally, in the history of mankind, the definitive proof of extraterrestrials visiting this earth.
	You've got that story.
	That information.
	You're a colonel in the army stationed in Texas or New Mexico.
	I know army people.
	I know government people.
	You aren't giving that information to a higher up in Washington yet.
	You're going to sit on that story.
	You're going to take that information.
	You're going to inform people, but you're going to keep it.
	That is the political chip of political chips in Washington.
	And Washington is all about what do you have in your back pocket to flip out when you're asking.
	You have the greatest story in mankind.
	Of course you're going to keep it.
	And there has been so much proof where people, you know, I'm sure a lot of people have watched it and read about it, where military people from the 40s and 50s tell you, you know, people with Philip Corso's rank did a lot of stuff like that, a lot of confidential and top secret people.
	Investigations and aspects for higher-ups in the military.
	I'm just thinking about being Philip Corso's superior going, I'm not giving this...
	This is...
	An egomaniac would have said, this is going to make me present.
	And then passing it off to Philip Corso where he's passing it off to someone that he can control, that he can disseminate the information.
	And the alien...
	This story back in the 40s and 50s wasn't as exotic or, you know, it wasn't this explosive, you know, as it is now that we, you know, because we have all this information and we're talking about it for years and years.
	Back then it was, you know, I think it was a little bit more matter of fact.
	And I think Philip Corso basically says that.
	He said, you know, my, you know, my superior said here, take this stuff and see what you can do with it.
	I believe that 100%.
	Yeah, I do agree with you back then.
	Somebody in the military would keep that information with them or, you know, him and Philip Corso would contain that information and not just, you know, throw it off to somebody in Washington.
	Okay, fair enough.
	But I do believe that back then they were more nonchalant about the ET presence.
	I just said that.
	I'm agreeing with you.
	I know you just said that.
	I'm agreeing with you.
	That's why I'm saying it.
	I'm a motor mom.
	Forgive me, Carrie.
	No, I know you're going to mile a minute, but it's all right.
	No, I'm just saying that that is true back then.
	If you read the books, if you read the way they talk about it, they weren't making it.
	It's because of this veil of secrecy has built it up to be so crazy that now if it happens in front of people's faces, they think they're going to go screaming out of the streets or whatever.
	Back then, it was just sort of an interesting little thing.
	There's a whole town, I guess maybe you heard about it.
	I think it's in Texas that basically was visited by aliens and they just kept it in the town.
	They have a plaque in the town.
	There's a whole book.
	I did an interview with a couple guys who wrote a book about it.
	Was this the ship that crashed into, like, a water tower in 1890?
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Like, back in the 1800s or something.
	It was just, you know, yeah, there's aliens, there's, you know, beings from those other planets out there.
	Hello?
	How strange is that?
	As comedian Jeff Cesario once said, you think we're the only ones alive in the universe?
	We're at the helm of the universe?
	We can't get out traffic after a Dodger.
	Very good.
	Yeah, no, that's good.
	That's very good.
	Okay, now listen, what I want to do here is we have about, I don't know, 20 minutes left.
	I want to ask if the audience, we have a chat room.
	So I want them to be able to ask you questions.
	They type it into the chat and then we will run them by you.
	If you don't want to answer it, just say so.
	So people in the chat, if you want to write a question, please put it in all caps.
	That way I can distinguish it from the chat that's been going on since the beginning of the show.
	And I'll see if there's anything here that right off the bat that I can ask you.
	Other than...
	Listen...
	You lost your sort of pitch for governor.
	What are you going to do next?
	You know, I am still angry, upset as a businessman and a father and a person in the community about the state of Illinois.
	We're bankrupt.
	We have $135 billion in promised payments with our pension system.
	You know, and no one's doing anything about it.
	We're one of the most corrupt states still to this day.
	So I think, you know, I can either say, hey, I ran for Congress, I ran for governor, you don't want me.
	I'm going to go sit on the couch for the rest of my life.
	But you know what?
	I've got two great daughters.
	I've got a, you know, a wonderful son who's getting married in four months and his whole future's, you know, in front of him.
	And, you know, my wife, who's just a great woman and a tirelessly hard worker.
	And, you know, I'm surrounded by great people.
	You know, I've I don't know.
	I can either just sit back and let life happen or I can continue to fight.
	And, you know, I'm a fighter.
	So, you know, most likely I'll probably continue to some degree in politics.
	It's tough.
	It's unrewarding many times.
	You know, when I ran for governor, I didn't have a tour bus or a million-dollar campaign chest.
	I was sleeping in my car at times on off-ramps and, you know, in bad motels and stuff.
	It was, you know, it was the most unglamorous thing I've ever done.
	But, you know, sometimes you have You meet somebody in central Illinois, a farmer and his wife, and all of a sudden there's a sparkle in their eye.
	They believe in what you're saying, and they believe in you.
	And all of a sudden you think, well, you know what?
	You know, maybe I can change some lives.
	Maybe I can make a difference.
	I don't know.
	But politics is a lot of money, and that's been one of my Achilles heels with politics.
	I'm not a good fundraiser, but, you know, lightning can strike.
	I speak from my heart, like I tried to do in this interview tonight.
	And I think that resonates with people.
	And like I said, you know, magic can happen.
	So, you know, thinking about running for U.S. Senate as a libertarian, you know, in two years against Dick Durbin.
	I like to call him Dinosaur Dick, you know, using a Donald Trump phrase.
	But certainly things have to change.
	And that was Lincoln's greatest fear, was, you know, a constituent of Public that did not really care what went on in government, and government became autocratic.
	And so when people out there, you're a conspiracy person or you're a truther or anti-government, you had a really, your forefather in our truther movement was none other than Abraham Lincoln.
	You know, he thought terrible things about government when it wasn't regulated by the people.
	So I encourage everybody, you know, do something.
	Do something.
	Make a change.
	You know, How many times does a politician lose by a vote or win by a vote?
	I lost my primary by three votes because I didn't bring my wife and my father and my best friend.
	So it matters.
	And it matters to the people around you.
	And most importantly, it matters to yourself.
	I changed as a man when I ran for governor.
	It made me a better person.
	Okay, that was very well put.
	All right, so what I'm going to do here is actually, I'm noticing some people are, I made a statement about the whole pedophilia, you know, Human trafficking issue that's going in.
	I don't know if you're following the story.
	We have indictments.
	I think that people obviously don't listen because I didn't say that these people should get off free.
	That's actually not what I said.
	So you guys have to go back and listen again to what I said.
	And please understand that you cannot put every human being in jail and you cannot shoot them all, okay?
	All the pedophiles out there, the ones that are really at the top, they're just going to go underground.
	You'll never catch them, okay?
	So what?
	You catch, you know, Hillary Clinton.
	If she's convicted, you catch, you know, those guys.
	You catch some Hollywood stars.
	You think you're done.
	You're not done, okay?
	And people have to understand that this goes way deeper than that.
	And all I'm trying to do is make you aware of why humans prey on other humans.
	What it is that's motivating them.
	And no one out there is talking about that.
	And it's about time they did.
	So go back.
	Listen to what I said.
	I did not say they should get off scot-free.
	That's not what I said.
	So get a grip.
	Listen.
	And listen to what I say.
	Every word.
	Because you're not getting it.
	Terry, can I make a statement?
	So my next question is, what would you like to say?
	Go ahead.
	Or as a pro wrestler, but I'm going to tell you something.
	I know hundreds of politicians.
	They make rock stars and pro wrestlers look like schoolgirls going to a tea party.
	The higher up you get in life, In the social status, in the social strata, the more power you have, it seems like your morals or your moral constraints get loosened up a lot.
	And I think that's why you see just this perpetuating stories in Hollywood and in government of pedophilia and adults preying on children.
	And that's something that I think our government, that should be one of our top priorities as much as building the wall or, you know, stopping ISIS in Syria.
	You know, that I said this in my campaign for Illinois governor.
	Hey, if you can't protect a little kid from walking to school or playing in the playground or in their front yard, we have no society.
	We are human beings.
	We are a pack of animals.
	And that was my number one mandate.
	If I was going to be elected for governor, that, you know, protecting children at every level.
	Oh, yeah.
	And one of the ways that you protect a child is by a parent telling them that there are You know, predators, sexual predators out there.
	Instead of going around like it's fairyland and telling your kids, oh, it's very nice.
	Everyone's nice to you and, you know, trust everyone you see.
	This is bullshit.
	And, you know, unfortunately, even adults don't know that they are praying.
	Don't you remember we had Stranger Danger when you and I were growing up, Carrie?
	I mean, you think it's corny, but it worked.
	It told me at least that Like you just said, not everyone is nice.
	Not every adult is out there to help you, although many are.
	Acts of kindness, you know.
	My own priest, my Catholic priest in my grade school molested more of my friends.
	These are people in the Vatican, okay?
	These are the pedophiles we're talking about, okay?
	Let's get it right, okay?
	Let's understand that these people at the very top, they are going to go and never be caught, okay?
	This is, it's going to be another cover-up.
	It's going to be what they call a limited hang-up.
	And if somebody doesn't speak up, You know, I'm willing to.
	So, okay.
	Now, to move on, I do want to ask you about Trump's State of the Union and what you think about Trump.
	Well, did anybody else notice?
	Was Nancy Pelosi at times grading papers?
	Did you see her behind Trump?
	She was looking...
	I looked at my wife and said, what is she doing, grading papers?
	She's reading papers and shuffling papers around.
	You know, look, I, you know, I'm one of three...
	People that publicly endorsed Trump in Illinois that went on TV and endorsed him.
	And I don't ask anything from him for doing that.
	And I don't say I swayed anything because I didn't.
	But I can tell you for a fact that when he got elected, the shockwaves that that sent through Washington, this was like a tough, mean-ass president that was going to take over a business that was, you know, a business that was, you know, Theft and craziness was just out of control and now a new sheriff's in town.
	And I'm telling you, I am telling the conspiracy community and the Truther movement that his presidency, his candidacy and his dissension to the White House has sent shockwaves to every corridor in Washington.
	And I think that's good for our country.
	Is he crude?
	Is he crass?
	Does he speak...
	You know, without thinking, yeah.
	But you know what?
	If you want someone to tell...
	For years we've asked, why can't a politician just talk off the cuff?
	Why does he always have to think about, well, you got him.
	We got what we wish for.
	And sometimes it's not comfortable.
	Sometimes we don't like it.
	But we have a man that I think is going to continue to try and do the right thing.
	I don't think anyone would disagree.
	Why wouldn't you talk to your adversary?
	Why wouldn't you make contact with North Korea?
	What is wrong with creating...
	At least an open line of communication with Putin.
	Let me tell you something.
	About wars, we have 105 bases all over the world.
	We're the Roman Empire.
	We have 20 trident nuclear submarines.
	Each submarine could wipe out an entire continent.
	Literally.
	They're all over in every ocean around the world.
	I don't think we need 105 bases.
	I don't think we need to be In every part of the country.
	We are now the largest oil exporter.
	We don't need this Dick Cheney plan of surrounding the Middle East to secure the oil.
	Peak oil was a myth.
	It's fake.
	It doesn't exist.
	We have more oil.
	We have enough oil in the last 100 years.
	We have new technology and batteries and whatnot.
	And we also have some secret oil in the United States that's a huge, huge store of oil that no one talks about.
	Right.
	And besides, oil is gone.
	Forget it.
	It's the past.
	It's old news.
	I think his speech was great.
	I think he tried to reach across the aisle.
	When I saw Democratic women sitting there And not applauding the fact that Donald Trump does not want a baby who's able to come out of his mother's womb at nine months and suckle a bottle or grab a finger and that child is allowed to be executed and women who are able to bear and birth children are sitting there because they're not of the same party sit there and think that that's
	okay.
	I mean, where have we gone in this country?
	I mean, literally.
	It made me sick to my stomach.
	I'm not saying I have the right to tell a woman what to do.
	But I have children, and it's not the decision I would make.
	And let me tell you something.
	I'm not going to let somebody else take a nine-month-old and execute them.
	I mean, it's appalling where we have gone in this country.
	And to sit there because Donald Trump is a Republican, not a Democrat, made me violently ill last night.
	All right.
	Well, actually, what I'm interested in is the indictments.
	Have you heard about the indictments?
	Do you know about the indictments?
	And have you tried to look into them?
	I have no recollection of that, Senator.
	No.
	I have heard that there is nothing on Trump.
	No, I'm not.
	No, no, no.
	Stop.
	Okay.
	I'm not talking about that.
	Are you talking about the QAnon indictments, the sealed indictments?
	Yes, I'm talking about the indictments to, you know, the Guantanamo Bay and, you know, that Hillary is, you know, people are walking around and, you know, with handcuffs around their ankles and, you know, that Bush was executed, that, you know, McCain was executed.
	Are you aware there are, you know, I have proof that there are sealed indictments.
	Now, I'm asking you, are you aware of it?
	Have you looked into it?
	Well, I know one of John McCain's best friends, he died of a brain tumor.
	Is the people going to hate me for saying that?
	I mean, he wasn't executed.
	Do I think there's sealed indictments?
	Do I think Trump?
	Absolutely.
	I don't know that for a fact.
	This is my gut talking.
	I do not know.
	I have not talked with Kellyanne Conway or anybody in the administration.
	I do believe there's sealed indictments.
	Is it for Hillary, Obama, or George Bush?
	I can't really say anything to the veracity of that because I do not know for sure.
	And I'm not going to stick my foot in that bomb.
	I think that you can sit here as a citizen and make a case against Cheney and Bush and Condoleezza Rice for just simply the cover-up, for the false information that they let General Colin Powell talk about to the UN. I consider her as a car dealer and a failed politician to tell you,
	I've got enough hearsay and indictable evidence right now as a John Q citizen to go to a higher court to prosecute Bush Cheney and Connellisa Rice.
	It's been admitted.
	There was no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and they made it up.
	We went to war on false information, and that to me is indictable.
	That's treasonous.
	On the other things, if they're not going to indict Bill Clinton, and they're not going to prosecute Bill Clinton when three women have said, this man raped me, I don't know.
	I'm just as bewildered and frustrated as everyone else is out there.
	Because I know what I've seen, I know what I've heard with 9-11, Benghazi, the fact that Hillary did not dispatch anyone Any aircraft, any type of assistance for the ambassador or the embassy in Benghazi to me is a criminal action.
	And this is why I'm in politics.
	This is why I'm talking to you today.
	I'm as frustrated even more as anyone else, you know.
	It cannot be, what's good for all of us, it cannot be exempted from people just because you're in power in Washington.
	That's not what this country is all about.
	This country is everyone from the president down to the janitor plays by the same rules and abides by the same laws.
	And that's all I have to say.
	And I'm telling you this.
	I'm not an insider.
	But I pray to God.
	I pray that we have some justice with people in our government that have been in our government, that have served in our government, if they have done wrongdoing.
	And I think we all know, we all feel that.
	There's been stuff more than just, you know, political maneuvering that has gone on from Clinton all the way up, you know, past Obama.
	And believe me, you know, we're America.
	And the truth, you know, there's only two things that can never be hidden, the sun and the truth, because both of them eventually come out to the light of day.
	And I'm telling you that I hope and pray that we see justice on any level.
	I think that'll be very satisfying for the American people.
	All right.
	Well said.
	Now, we're going to have to close this down.
	I know that I've asked for questions.
	I actually...
	The chat is now going crazy.
	It's going so fast.
	I'm like...
	I'm trying to...
	Welcome to Life with Jon Stewart!
	I'm just trying to see if there's anything here for you, any direct questions.
	I'm afraid it's kind of going by.
	Are you paying attention?
	Last question.
	Well, actually, I have one question.
	Now I'm going to ask my last question.
	You're wearing a jacket that says Fox.
	So are you on the Fox network or did you just get that because you were...
	I saw like 10 interviews on various Fox networks.
	I'm wearing this jacket because we actually have production lights in my living room because I took this very seriously and I wanted to show you that I took this seriously and I wanted to have a nice production value and I have a window open and I'm in Chicago and it's freezing.
	I hear you.
	I've been on the O'Reilly Factor, Hannity and Combs and Oh, all right.
	Okay.
	Very good.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	One last question here.
	What do you think of 5G and are you aware that it's going to kill people and are you trying to stop it?
	I've been reading about 5G. I've been hearing about the concerns.
	I cannot comment on all that.
	I know that any type of electromagnetic interference is not good for human beings.
	I mean...
	You know, two, three years ago, my phone, just before it would ring, would start interference on my radio in my car or on my computer.
	And I know just from, you know, from college classes, from documentaries that I've watched, from literature that I've read, from my own gut feeling that, you know, a society filled with, you know, high-powered frequencies, I don't, you know...
	I think it's been proven that it does affect our cellular, it does affect our bodies even at the cellular structure.
	So the jury's out.
	I have not investigated it that much.
	I do have a cousin that's a vice president of AT&T in the Chicagoland area.
	I'm going to talk to her about it.
	It's very concerning for me.
	That's what I will say.
	Because I'm doing interviews.
	Can you direct those people to watch my latest interview with Nancy Hopkins about Shungite and 5G? And I'm about to do an interview with a weapons expert.
	God, his name is, I think it's Mark Steele.
	I think that's his name.
	And he's English, and he's basically talking about it.
	Basically, 5G is a weapon system.
	So if you can just do research on it, you're in a very unique position.
	Maybe you can help stop it.
	People are absolutely convinced it's going to kill people.
	So thank you very much for being on the show.
	It's been a delight, and you're a lot of fun.
	You're a really interesting guy, and I want to thank you very much for coming on the show.
	Well, I just want to say to everybody out there, it is always an honor.
	I mean that sincerely from the bottom of my heart.
	When people let me come into their living rooms or listen to me pontificate on everything regarding politics or the topics we discovered tonight, I want people to know that I take every one of those topics seriously, and I think people should Take some of my advice and look and present things in a little bit of a,
	you know, I don't want to burst the conspiracy balloon, but I just want to direct our focus maybe a few degrees to the right or the left so we can present this to people that can help us make a change, find the truth, and make a difference.
	And I mean that sincerely, and I hope that the community will embrace me and let me further talk and conspire.
	And cooperate and we can solve the issues that are in front of us because we're Americans and we can do anything we set our mind to and I really believe that.
	And Carrie, thank you from the bottom of my heart by waiting 10 years to do this.
	I mean that sincerely and you're a wonderful woman.
	I respect you tremendously and I want to say thank you for letting me talk to you.
	All right.
	Well, thank you again for coming on the show.
	And really, I think, you know, I just want to say that my audience has enjoyed it.
	I can tell they've enjoyed it because of the chat.
	You know, I can see the chat going by.
	And so it will be on YouTube directly after this.
	It takes like about, I don't know, 15 minutes before it gets up on YouTube, all correct.
	But it will be up there for people that want to watch it.
	And for as long as YouTube exists, All right.
	Great, Carrie.
	Thank you so much.
	And thank you for everybody watching.
	I really appreciate it.
	And God bless everyone out there.
	All right.
	All right.
	Take care.
	So I'm going to shut this down and let me do the right thing here.
	I got to hang it up here and actually put this down there and stop that.
	Okay.
	So thanks again for watching and listening and for your interesting questions, comments in the chat, etc.
	And that was very interesting.
	At least there's one guy who was a candidate who basically is trying to change the world in some ways and does seem like a very honest investigator as well.
	So tomorrow, let's see, tomorrow night, I have a very interesting guest.
	I guess his name is Richard Lighthouse, and I've had him on my show before.
	He is formerly with NASA. Brilliant.

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