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Jan. 27, 2019 - Project Camelot

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AN INTERVIEW WITH PAUL COLLIN : FORMER CIA FINANCIAL INVESTIGATOR

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	Thank you.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here today.
	This is a Sunday.
	I don't usually work on Sundays, but I made an exception for a very interesting interview we're going to do right now with Paul Collin, who also goes by the name Unwanted Publicity Guy, and he writes a column Or a guest blog, whichever you want to call it, on my website, Project Camelot.
	So I'm very excited to be able to finally get him into an interview here.
	It's actually taken many years because, well, of logistics, I imagine.
	So I'm going to put the banner on here again, and we're going to connect with him over the phone.
	So if you stand by, Paul, are you there?
	Yes, I am, Terry.
	Good afternoon.
	Nice to be on your show.
	Excellent and wonderful to have you on the show.
	Now, you are really a mystery man and I think anyone who's followed your column is going to be fascinated to at least hear your voice and maybe in the future we'll even get you on video when finances provide for that.
	This is something people can help with maybe in the future.
	So at this point, I am going to actually, well, attempt to read in kind of short sentences here what I put on the post today on my Project Camelot TV website.
	So for those of you who are obviously watching this on YouTube, what I'm going to do here is attempt to get this bio on the screen so you can kind of go along with me.
	It's a little bit involved.
	He is not your run-of-the-mill individual.
	You won't find me in the yellow pages.
	Exactly.
	And so along those lines, let me say, since 2012, Paul Collin, unwanted publicity guy, which is a nickname we gave him, and we'll talk about why, has been writing a column or guest blog for Project Camelot, assisting at times with investigations or research.
	For my channel and really in a very wonderful, vital way, especially with regard to Mark Richards recently, but also some valuable reports he's written in the past.
	Lots and lots of valuable reports.
	What he clarifies to say is that he was never employed by the CIA or the U.S. version or the Korea CIA, which is a very interesting designation there, which he considers to be U.S. secret organization funded by U.S. taxpayer dollars.
	He was a CIA attache, employed full-time by the U.S. Department of Defense in 71 and 72, assigned to Lowry, Lowry, however you say that, Air Force Base, Colorado.
	Lowry Air Force Base in Colorado.
	Sorry, how do you say it?
	It's Lowry Air Force Base in Colorado.
	At least it was until it was decommissioned.
	All right, fine.
	And then in George Air Force Base, California, And Edwards Air Force Base, California, where he was secretly imprisoned before his general discharge.
	Later, U.S. congressionally upgraded to fully honorable discharge with all benefits, none of which came, I take it, In 1976, he began a civilian freelance international work for one of the many CIA offices located in El Segundo, California, using Hawthorne, California as a private telephone exchange number to evade U.S. congressional oversight.
	In November 2002, he began civilian work for the CIA, led Department of Justice Squad 6 Foreign Extraction Unit.
	It actually captured Manuel Noriega in Panama, based out of the basement inside the federal building downtown Portland, where he met one federal agent that gave him instructions as an information, international information asset.
	Prior to his leaving for one year on a special assignment to Eastern Europe, lasting four years in Serbia and Uganda, and while in Serbia, met with the CIA case officer at the American Embassy who wanted him to work in Bosnia.
	And basically, they didn't want him to work in Bosnia, so instead was paid to continue living in...
	The CIA did not want him in Bosnia, so the government paid to have him continue living.
	living in Serbia one week and paid his airfare back to the U.S. That was August 2006.
	Then you kind of jump to November 2002 until 2007 saying you worked continually CIA Department of Justice Squad 6 asset, always paid in cash, cut out.
	This is where I call you a non-acknowledged CIA asset or NOC. He worked as an international information asset for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Immigration, Customs Enforcement, Office of Special Investigations, whose client was the Federal Reserve Board until he left February 2011.
	In 2012, he voluntarily began submitting research and reporting services exclusively for Project Camelot.
	He was And it goes on.
	So maybe we can let you explain the rest of this because I noticed what people are going to be really wanting to understand and it's stated here but it's still a little hard to follow.
	Can you explain how you ended up to be on the street in LA and you've been on the street in LA since, is it since 2011 or is that before that?
	2012.
	I arrived back from my four year assignment for Squad 6 in Eastern Europe.
	I was over there in Serbia for four years and I came back to the United States and I had to sneak back in because I am no longer a U.S. citizen.
	I had to I had to I had to carry out certain pretexts to be able to conduct operations in 1986 over in Western Europe.
	So without my U.S. citizenship anymore, I could not easily get back in the United States.
	So there were various and sundry Activities that I had to do to get back in the United States, one like sneaking back in, which is not easy to do at Los Angeles Airport.
	So, and this was in 2006.
	So, you know, my handler out of Portland, Oregon for Squad 6 says, well, why didn't you just let me know you were coming back?
	And I said, because you wouldn't have been able to get me in.
	She says, oh yes I wouldn't.
	I said, no you wouldn't.
	I said, the four DVD discs of data that went out in a courier pouch out of Belgrade, Serbia, were supposed to arrive in Washington, D.C. for you, and you told me that the discs had been wiped.
	So I said even CIA and or DOJ wound up wiping the data off so that you would never get it.
	So I said I had to sneak back in and carry these data disks in for you.
	So, you know, that was a lot of drama, just getting back in.
	And, of course, he was able to recover my luggage and a few other things because I had to sneak out of the most secure airport terminal building in the United States.
	That in itself is a story.
	So anyway, suffice to say I came back into the United States and I was unable to work and I still am unable to work and I spent four months trying to get employment in four or five different states in the U.S. and I could not understand why people were not hiring me.
	Finally, a regional manager for a large company told me, he apparently took a liking to me, told me, he says, Paul, I'm going to have to let you go.
	He says, I received a phone call and was told to get rid of you.
	So, he said, that came from up above.
	So, There have been, I have gone through a lot of complex difficulties, and so it's hard to convey that to the public.
	Gee, you know, wanting to just go down and apply for your citizenship again so you can get all your benefits, it's a little bit more complicated than that.
	Well, I mean, let me ask you this.
	Sure.
	Why do you think whoever it is is preventing you from coming back in doesn't want you, you know, working and, you know, alive and well in a normal person's capacity?
	Why is it that they turned against you, in essence?
	Well, I'll give you an example.
	In 2004, two years after I was into my Eastern European assignment, I was asked by the Department of Justice if I would kindly turn over three million electronic page files of documents They only had one million and they wanted the other three million and I told them to check with my handler And,
	of course, my handler contacted me, and he says, boy, he says, you created a, you know what, SHIT storm.
	He said, he says, I've got factions that want me to do things, and we have our own operations going, and he says, I'm telling them to fuck the hell out.
	And he says, I've got a CIA deputy director in Washington that is basically...
	Making sure that your work and the work of our mission are successful.
	So he says, I'm kind of battling a lot of things.
	He says, I'll do what I can for you.
	But he says, it's going to be rough going when you get back, if you get back even into the United States.
	So I have been collecting Certain types of intelligence information to private sources, not hacking into the government, not breaking into any government facilities, and they want the data that they don't have.
	And I think this goes back to, like, secret state or, you know, the parallel, secret parallel government or what we call the deep state today.
	Yes.
	Okay, well, alright.
	Let me ask you this.
	Do you think that it's the Howard Hughes stuff, among other things?
	We just talked about Einstein this morning.
	I want to go there in a bit, but...
	What specific information, I mean, without, I mean, I know some of it, I don't even know if some of it is what you say, you know, would violate a national security authority, that sort of thing.
	But you just published a really incredible report, which people can find on your blog about a week or so ago.
	You know, that gets into McEnroe, John Lear's father, and a lot more than that, which would even seem to go kind of beyond the pale.
	So which information, without spilling the information, if you're not allowed to, can you tell us, you know, give us a hint?
	Is it the Hughes information, Howard Hughes information, or is it other things?
	There was information at the Howard Hughes information, Howard Hughes, let me try to give you a little preface here, amongst all the other things that Howard Hughes owned or had under the Hughes Medical Organization, he owned some property in Nevada and thereupon which was built an ultra-secure building and inside that building had an underground basement
	filled with vaults for private clients.
	Predominantly foreign clients.
	And foreign clients like the late Conrad Hilton, the Summa Brothers, Frank and Joe Summa, Summa Corporation, which Howard Hughes had acquired.
	And so there was a lot of secret information in those vaults.
	And the gatekeeper or the commissar over that vault installation I got a tip from a friend of his that also, you know, he had lots of friends in the federal government.
	He says, hey, he says the vaults are going to be raided in the next 90 days.
	You might want to do something about that.
	So what the commissar or gatekeeper did was He secreted out during his lunch breaks a file box, one file box at a time, and emptied the remaining contents of the vaults for the private clients that he personally knew and had business dealings with to protect that information.
	And what he did with those boxes was he stored them In a 53-foot long shipping container out in a remote area of Nevada near Area 51.
	And so he was later killed, shot to death.
	And so I contacted his son, one of his sons.
	And his son says, yeah, he says, I'm really interested in the work you do.
	Would you come out and go through all these things and tell me what's good, what's bad, what's hot, what's not?
	So I made a couple of trips out to a remote ranch in Nevada and went through the 53-foot long shipping container of files and made...
	Copious, high-grade commercial photocopies of the documents.
	And the documents detail a lot of global finance arrangements and secret agreements that were made between the U.S. government and certain central banks of other foreign countries in addition to our own.
	So they want to know where that Okay, now I think the people listening can appreciate...
	This is a man who goes into detail, as you can see.
	When I ask him a question, no, it's great.
	I mean, it's a wonderful thing because it gives you a lot of credibility, I believe, in the eyes of the public when you go into so much detail, and it's very valuable.
	Let me ask you this.
	You're not going to tell me where those documents are, I don't suppose, but I do want to know, you know, why haven't they been able to, you know, you said they actually tortured you, and I want to talk to you about that.
	But so far you haven't given away the location of these documents all these years.
	And you've been working for me, really not working for me because I never paid you, but you're donating your work to me.
	And I once in a while try to raise funding to donate to you.
	And that's in part why we're even doing this today, to get you more on the map.
	But in essence, can you tell me What it is that is holding them back from being able to really just, you know, abduct you and try to get it out of your brain.
	What do you think?
	Well, first of all, the torture thing came back in 1971.
	Okay?
	And that had nothing to do with the vials.
	That was an exercise that I went through.
	I understand.
	Okay.
	But all these years later...
	Go ahead.
	No, all these years later.
	So all these years later, they still don't have this information about this Howard Hughes sort of stash of stuff.
	Well, there's a lot more than that.
	There are files, the three million files that I have, And these are electronic files.
	I couldn't possibly carry around 3 million page files with me.
	But they're electronic files.
	They're on a thumb drive.
	I have one set in Eastern Europe hidden away in a barn that's in a special case and a few other people that know where that is.
	So I have worked for various and sundry U.S. government organizations and have done some private work for some foreign intelligence interests, but not against the U.S. government.
	So, you know, I'm a...
	So are you saying the reason they don't have this information is because they can't pry it out of you?
	I mean, can you explain that?
	Well, they could pry it out of me, but first they have to catch me.
	Well, you're on the phone to me.
	You're a homeless guy in Southern California.
	I don't think you're that hard to find, especially for the CIA. You don't.
	I think that if they really wanted me, they would have gotten me by now.
	So this goes back in my own mind's eye as a deep state secret parallel government.
	Where I think one portion of the government is trying to protect me and the other portion of the intelligence agencies want me.
	So, you know, kind of like a pawn, as long as I don't raise up and start dumping a bunch of information on the internet, you know, I figured they'd just soon leave me alone because I'm a difficult target to track and locate because that's what I used to do.
	I used to find people that couldn't be found.
	I'm applying my skill sets to myself at this point.
	Big cities, large populations of unknown people, homeless environment.
	I have a completely different identity where I'm at.
	So, it would be very difficult for them.
	Really?
	Alright.
	I'm not drunk, believe it or not.
	Absolutely.
	Alright.
	Alright, so wait.
	Listen, I'm a tightrope walker.
	At this point, it's very difficult emotionally to deal with what I deal with.
	You know, and...
	So I push that aside.
	I stay as busy as I possibly can doing my research, writing reports.
	If I see something in the news and I know something that the general public doesn't know, what I'll do is I'll go down a rabbit hole that I know where a rabbit hole would be for a particular event.
	To blossom a story into something more than what the public knows.
	And then I release that information.
	But at the same token, I also provide research references of legitimate sources that have that data, pieces of it.
	And even if I have to go into archives, and sometimes archives are even scrubbed.
	So I do the best I can with what I do.
	All right.
	Now, let's go back to when you were tortured.
	Why don't you explain why they tortured you and who tortured you?
	Well, I got picked.
	This was during...
	This is during my intelligence training at Lowry Air Force Base, Colorado.
	We had a special building and a special basement that certain of what we call the lab exercises of the classes were conducted in in the basement.
	So the class that I was in I was the last graduating class from this particular school.
	It taught 52 different intelligence trade crafts.
	Our capabilities were over and above, but specifically designed to go in and take over intelligence operations in any foreign theater of war where one of the U.S. facilities had been knocked out.
	And my job, basically, the training was set up so that I would be able to establish and bring up and conduct the war plans operations and continue them from that or that particular base or facility until a suitable general or colon could be installed.
	So I was like a stopgap.
	So at 20 years old, I went through that training, and it is the most unbelievable, incredible thing the government had going at the time.
	My office call sign was the Department of Intelligence, an organization that no longer exists, almost like a Mission Impossible thing.
	So anyway, really.
	And so that was the purpose of my training.
	Alright, so you're saying the torture was part of your training.
	Pardon me?
	You are saying the torture was part of your training.
	Well, yeah, but with one exception.
	I was singled out.
	I had a class of about 24 or 25...
	People attending the class.
	Some people were senior.
	I was the youngest one in the class and of course I was always being picked on and the older officers would like to pick on me and scare me and things like that.
	So anyway, I was unanimously nominated to go through The survival evasion, resistance, and escape, and interrogation techniques.
	So they sent me down into the basement.
	And what I encountered down there was, I was beaten, I was tortured with a scalpel, and thrown into a black box, bolted to a floor for four days.
	And there were no bathroom breaks.
	So when they drug me out of the black box, I was a disheveled mess.
	And none of that was explained to me going into this.
	I could not believe that on U.S. federal government property they were going to basically emotionally and physically traumatize me at 20 years old.
	So it's a hell of a story, but that's what happened.
	All right.
	Now, so you had that under your belt.
	You went on these various assignments.
	You have this sort of, you jumped around, it looks like, working for various organizations that were, in some way, it appears, always affiliated with the CIA and the Department of Defense.
	These guys know who you are, right?
	Right.
	Yes, I do.
	I even supplied information to the intelligence chief for NATO in 1986 when I was on a Western European assignment.
	And that general is now dead, that was General Armisen.
	All right.
	And there have been times when I have been asked to, you know, gee, can you assist us in this?
	Can you assist us in that?
	Or we've got this thing going here.
	We've got that thing going there.
	We know that you know this individual or we know that you run in these particular circles or you're working on this.
	If you find this or that, would you please let us know?
	So they would come knocking at my door.
	You know, having been a flag-waving spook out of the U.S. government, I was always willing to oblige my country.
	So there are a lot of unsung things that I have done that, well, you can tell by the tone of my voice that it's pretty emotionally traumatic.
	So I did what I had to do.
	I did the high-risk field work-ops, or field-ops, and I did the things that needed to be done, and there were things that I did that some of the government could not do that I did.
	And my last federal handler for Squad 6, Squad 6 is a group that was formed in conjunction Between the CIA, it's a CIA-led operation of six Department of Justice agents.
	And when I speak of Department of Justice, I'm talking about FBI. But one CIA deputy chief, and there's a lot of CIA deputy chiefs, but one CIA deputy chief was assigned to this thing called Squad 6.
	Squad 6 is an operation much like what Britain has called their flying squad.
	They will be dispatched out of the U.S. and go and extract a person of interest that needs to be brought back to the United States or brought to justice one way or the other.
	So, anyway, I work for that group.
	Alright, so does that mean you, because we think of you as an investigator, like an, you know, I guess an armchair investigator, sounds like you were trained to be a lot more than that.
	Well, yeah.
	My civilian-related occupation upon leaving My full-time work as a CIA attache for the US Department of Defense My civilian-related title was investigator.
	My title in government service full-time was intelligence operations specialist.
	Of course, everybody's a specialist in the military.
	But anyway, I cannot practice private investigations within the continental United States because I have to abide by state licensing requirements.
	So...
	My background and my qualifications are of the federal government, but I don't have a badge and I don't have ID that says I'm a federal investigator.
	I have a federal document that states these things, but I can't practice this in the United States.
	So, in order to be a non-official cover...
	Operative for the U.S. government.
	You have to be a foreign national.
	You have to either have dual nationality, primarily a dual nationality is what I started out with, and they told me you need to get rid of the U.S. nationality.
	So when I was in Dublin, Ireland in 1986 on a Western European operation, I gave up my U.S. citizenship.
	So that's how I wound up.
	Basically, being a man with no country, or at least losing my U.S. citizenship.
	So, for the sake of this government, I did what was required of me.
	Okay, now, but my real question there was also about, in a sense, your skill set.
	So you were trained to be actually an agent in the field, you know, like James Bond or something, in essence.
	No, I have 52 different intelligence tradecrafts.
	Okay, so you know more than...
	Sorry, so more than James Bond, is that what you're trying to say?
	I'm trying to explain.
	There was, back in 1971, before personal computers were out and anybody had anything like that, I was trained in administrative intelligence as applied to what they called EDP, which was electronic data processing that eventually became known as automatic data processing.
	That is now, you know, your data processing.
	I was doing that with IBM 36030 computers as applied to intelligence.
	And Gerber plotters for intelligence operations maps, bombing, or warplans operations maps, and things like that.
	That was just one of my tradecrafts, and administrative intelligence.
	So, in addition to that, warplans operations, navigational maps and charts, survival, aviation, resistance, and escape.
	Making flip charts for pilots.
	That was before heads-up displays were ever on the windscreen of jets.
	When the pilots used to have to carry a flip chart on their lap to go from one IP flight to another on their way to a bombing run.
	And that was when we had B-52 Strava fortresses and F-4E Phantom fighter jets, fighter bombers.
	So, That and a lot of other things I was trying to do.
	Okay, now you just...
	All right, go ahead and finish that thought.
	So the only trade crafts that I apply or have been applying recently, okay, is my research skills and my data analytics and predictive analytics skills.
	Where I can see things not, you know, like I'm not a swami.
	I don't see things in the future.
	But I can look at a certain data and I can read between the lines.
	I used to design, excuse me, we were taught how to make CIA weekly bulletin and the Defense Intelligence Agency daily bulletin.
	And out of mainstream news media, we know how to read between the lines to extract certain intelligence information that is purposely put in there for our foreign agents.
	And that's a long, long story.
	Yeah, actually I'm familiar with that process to some degree.
	And I have been sort of, I guess, you know, I don't know, giving the heads up about that by various contacts, some secret sources that I have.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, very good.
	I'm glad somebody does because everybody, you know, kind of rolls their eyes when I tell them what I used to do.
	So, and I used to brief...
	Uh, pilots from, uh, second lieutenants up to, uh, Lieutenant Carlson Polk, actually, uh, up to Brigadier Generals on, uh, bombing runs over Vietnam before they left.
	Uh, I do briefings and deep, I have done briefings and deep briefings.
	And, uh, this is, at 20 years old, by the time I was 21, I was a pretty sharp little cookie.
	So I only apply the research Tradecraft.
	It's a safe thing to a degree.
	But I have a habit of coming across things like the RGU's vault files and other files, other foreign files, private intelligence files or private financial business and operational files that coincide with things that the government has sanctioned that they think is confidential that I wind up finding out about.
	I'm sitting on a little mini-Wikipedia of things, of documents with names, dates, places, photographs, sketches, FedEx and DHL invoices of certain shipments of certain things with regard to bank instruments and gold deposits and things like that.
	So we're talking about international stuff.
	I basically don't do any private eye work in the United States.
	So in order to become a non-official cover government agent, you actually have to be a foreign national.
	And that's then when the CIA will deal with you.
	The CIA is not technically supposed to deal with any U.S. persons or people that live in country.
	Okay, well, I mean, I think that that's, I appreciate that, but I don't think that's completely true.
	I'm not sure how, where the loophole comes.
	I'm saying that they're not supposed to.
	Right, I get it.
	Okay, I was dealing with CIA, and I also go to actually Hawthorne, California.
	Out of the Hawthorne, California Federal Building on a foreign op and I was still a U.S. citizen.
	And they gave me a special telephone number to call to speak to them on that was not under the U.S. Congressional Oversight Committee.
	That was back in 1976.
	So they were hiding things.
	So I agree with you, Carrie, very much.
	You know, there are things that people do in the U.S. for the CIA and other various incentives, but typically a NOC, a non-official cover, they're operating overseas.
	Okay.
	Well, you know, just for the whatever, you know, I guess you're not familiar with that television show called Burn Notice.
	It sounds like.
	And there's also a very well-known Al Pacino spy story that also relates to it.
	Both of them were American.
	There was no mention on being foreign nationals.
	But that is certainly television and movies, and they don't always tell the truth.
	We get that.
	But they're probably alluding to something that's going on behind the scenes also.
	Yes, they do.
	Oh, the immunity thing?
	Well, I mean, no, I'm talking sort of unofficially.
	You've done what anyone who is careful, like I would even suggest Gary McKinnon, for example, is one person who needed to have such a thing, which means that if they throw you in jail or try to take you in a court, they're going to be sorry, number one.
	Or number two, if they try to kill you, then there'll be a release of information.
	Is that correct?
	That's what they fear.
	Now they fear that I have things.
	They know my background and they figure, you know, he's not stupid enough to not protect his six, you know, his rear end.
	So, I'll let them think whatever they want, but, you know, I'm not threatening them.
	I'm not saying, hey, you know, if you don't, there's no way you can extort the U.S. government.
	They'll just, you know, they'll put their thumb down on you and crush you like an ass.
	So, they know that I play, they know that I do research for you, and that's it.
	And they read my reports, and they know that there's no sinister mastermind plan for me to...
	Okay, but along those lines...
	Hold on.
	Along those lines, you and I both know that you've been threatened.
	You've had, really, teams of people going after you, but you've also had individuals try to...
	You know, get you into a hotel room and get you to do just that, to do things, turn you into a Patsy, things of that nature.
	Oh, yes.
	Oh, yes.
	Yeah, that particular individual just passed away, by the way.
	All right.
	The one that was shaking Bill Clinton's hand.
	Are we able to, if he's no longer alive, are you able to say his name or not?
	Yeah, that would be Eugene Valentine, also known as Gene Valentine.
	He's dead now.
	He died.
	Are you sure?
	Because I've just been in touch with Gene Valentine who made a donation.
	Did he just die?
	I'm trying to hear you.
	I just was given a donation by someone, supposedly that guy.
	How long ago?
	Not that long ago.
	I don't know, you know, it might have been a month or two or whatever, or three.
	I was advised last week that he died a few weeks ago.
	Alright, so it was recent.
	Well, that's nice.
	Yeah, I believe so.
	Okay, well, you know, he was in touch with me on and off.
	Yeah, he's a very personable character, but he also had an agenda working.
	I didn't even want to get involved in his stuff.
	Really bad news.
	I started talking about the secret parallel government.
	The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing within some intelligence organizations, even within the CIA. And he was involved in that.
	And he was involved through a particular order, a splinter order, He was not Knights of Malta, but it was Ordo Dei.
	It was an order supposedly with links to the Vatican, but the Vatican disavowed that particular order.
	Natural oil and gas fields in West Virginia and the name of the church and stuff like that.
	Just unbelievable.
	But he was involved and he wanted me to be part of a group.
	He had a small cadre of 10 people that wanted to take down select high-level military officers of the U.S. government.
	And I wanted absolutely no part of that.
	So I used a pretext to paint myself as an undesirable to him and watched him walk away from me.
	So that's what I had to do.
	Okay, and I know a little bit about that, so that's very good.
	Now, okay, so that's one way they've tried to kind of take you down.
	There's also been, I think lately, you've even been under attack lately.
	I don't know how your van got taken off the streets or whatever and then taken away from you, but it seems that...
	It's undergone six...
	It was attacked six times by vandals over the course of a year and a half.
	And you just have to say it's vandalism, everything from...
	Really expensive things broken that operate the vehicle, to windows smashed, to tires punctured, to hoses slit, gas hoses slit, brake lines slit.
	I've had just a few things.
	No Parker Hale wheel blow-off devices, so when I get on the freeway I wind up With a traffic accident, a terminal traffic accident issue or anything like that.
	But there are two teams out of the western portion of the United States that are actively seeking to assassinate them right now.
	So it's not an easy life to live.
	And here I am just trying to do my research and write these simple reports for your organization in my little column, UPI Guide.
	So that's...
	All right.
	So you're being attacked.
	You're being attacked.
	And there's other stuff that you have that is above top secret that is also related to the Secret Space Program.
	That is correct.
	And so you have secret information that goes really way above top secret.
	Can you explain whether, I don't know if you can say this, but feel free to say, you know, you can't say an answer to my questions, but have you done some of this research along those lines only for your own interest, or was some of this done Were you hired to do some of this information?
	No.
	It was my own interest.
	I had come across things back in 2002 when I was working for Squad 6 over in Eastern Europe, or actually before I left to go to Eastern Europe on assignment, that basically I've brought into view the Third Reich and the Dornier Aircraft Company and John Lear's
	brother.
	Wait one second.
	Can you hear me?
	There's a person in the chat that we both know and this person is now being taken out of the chat.
	And I'm not going to name him here, but I can tell you that he was just trying to mislead the public in the chat there, so we're just disappearing him off of there.
	Yeah, we'll talk about that after off the record there.
	Okay, sure.
	But he is somebody who you've actually included in, I think, a couple of reports of ours, you know, background and so on.
	Let's see.
	Okay, so you were saying, please continue.
	I'm sorry, did you say please continue?
	Yes.
	So, yeah, there was, you know, I have this aversion to dig into certain things with relationship to what externally from outside our solar system may be coming.
	And in the course of reviewing certain things like that, it took me to CERN and a few things over there.
	And through the course of my research, I was able to track the secret space program having actually been involving a particular professor that worked for MIT in a little basement building on a special project and it had to do with positronium And
	the Boeing secret propulsion system for these particular crafts that I hear a lot of people talking about and you've referenced with regard to the off-world spacecraft and things like that or ships.
	And he died in...
	It was too bad I wasn't able to see him because I was going to go out and see him back in 2012.
	He was the only living soul that had been entrusted to perform this research at MIT, back in the 20s, 1928.
	And that was what CERN later became predicated upon, the CERN was originated for one thing, and that was to develop an antimatter hydrogen propulsion system.
	And I did find a document with that during an anniversary celebration of theirs where they referenced that.
	And it was a RAND Corporation thing out of Santa Monica that started the CERN ball rolling.
	So, yeah, a lot of data handled.
	You know, we talk about the mothball, we talk about the mothball, I talk about the mothball projects, where you talk about the black projects, and how are black projects kept from the people.
	They're also kept from the Congress insofar as Department of Defense budget justifications for certain things that, you know, we eventually find out about, but when they come up with a budget for a particular program,
	let's say it was the B-1 bomber or the Avenger or whatever flying wing type crabs, They all of a sudden mothball a particular program, but you take certain pieces of those existing technologies out and they apply them to the next funded project.
	So the advancement from the 20s, we're talking about 75 years, that's how they hide the money.
	They actually keep excelling And they're technological developments and technological advancements and they keep shoving it into other project funds or other program funds and that's how they keep it secret.
	And I have got a list.
	Of all of the mothball programs, not just the mothball programs, but the key components of those that were used to transfer into modern programs.
	So that the government would like desperately for me not to have in my possession.
	I have not released it, but nor have I had the time to go ahead and sit down and go through each one and put that together in any Sure.
	Now, we did talk briefly about Einstein, and because I had some information about him, I found it very interesting.
	This piece of information you gave me, is it okay to let people know about this along those lines?
	Sure, that's not a problem.
	Back in 1998, when I first went public with some of my websites that are now legacy websites, some pages are still in archives, others have disappeared.
	In 2002, I wrote a little blurb about Albert Einstein and the projects that he had been working on and the files that were seized.
	The government would bring certain classified documents over to his home for him to work on.
	So in addition to his notes and the data that he was working on for the U.S. government, When he died, they came in and they seized all of his files, and those are shelved somewhere.
	But there's a little bit of a background that I shared with you recently about Albert Einstein.
	Feel free to go ahead and share it.
	It's a matter of public record if you look back into 1931.
	I think I sent you a copy of the news article.
	Actually, the whole front page of the newspaper.
	Right.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, I'll see if we can...
	I'm not sure this will work because I've got this in kind of a weird situation here.
	But go ahead and just to talk about...
	It basically involved the OSS, the Office of Strategic Services of the U.S. government, trying to get...
	This goes back to people A drug out from under German influence.
	Germany had a very advanced war machine just prior to Hitler's taking the reins of Germany.
	And Albert Einstein was involved in that particular type of research.
	He was a brilliant man.
	I think he was a mathematician as a matter of fact, although I don't know how because he did fail mathematics.
	In school, but anyway, but I digress.
	He eventually was brought over to the United States by the U.S. government, and they settled him not far away from where I'm at, in San Pedro, California, in Southern California.
	It's known as the South Bay Area of Los Angeles.
	And one of his buddies that he would drink coffee with at a little cafe in San Pedro was a real estate man.
	He was, in fact, one of the top real estate people in the Los Angeles area.
	His name was Ira D. Edwards.
	And Ira and he used to talk.
	And one day, Ira brought something that he had been working on to the morning coffee session with Einstein.
	And that was basically a small ream of papers like a pamphlet, a big pamphlet, 8x11 pages of data that he wanted Einstein to look at and tell him what he thought.
	So Einstein reviewed and he says, oh, this is very interesting and do you mind if I go ahead and take this and review it?
	Sure, no problem.
	Well, later...
	Einstein became a professor.
	He was basically given a job as a teacher at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena back in the 30s.
	And he being a professor there started giving lectures.
	And one of his lectures was on a thing called the theory of relativity.
	We're talking back in the 30s.
	Late 20s, early 30s.
	And So, of course, the papers reveled in this new information.
	So they ran with a story about the great Albert Einstein, Professor Einstein's theory of relativity, and lo and behold, it wound up in the local newspaper, and Ira Edwards read the article.
	And instantly recognized that what Einstein had done was had taken Ira's information, plagiarized it, and turned it into something famous called the theory of relativity.
	So Ira Edwards hired a lawyer that filed an injunction in Los Angeles Superior Court back in 1931 Trying to prevent Einstein, put a gag on him to prevent him from continuing on about this theory of relativity because it was flat out and out plagiarism that Einstein had committed.
	And the US Superior Court judge was tapped on the shoulder by the US government and said, dismissed the case and that's what happened to it.
	But yeah, that's one of the deep dark secrets of Albert Einstein.
	It was not all what he cracked up to be.
	Yeah, and you know, there are nowadays a lot of people that say that.
	They also talk about the limits of his research, and they also talk about the limits of, I think it's E equals MC squared or other theories that he had.
	essence or or too limited to be too long too limited to be right now the but there are books written about this and people that are into the whole free energy kind of movement are aware of some of the limitations but i do think it's interesting that einstein did talk at one point about a fifth dimension well uh what i what i heard
	and what i wrote about back in 2002 was that einstein um was working on uh six uh basic basic openings um and exits into um time zone or time warp type areas within just the united states alone so
	And he was doing that kind of work for the government, where he had found or had discovered some relationship with regard to magnetic field disruptions in various spots throughout the country, and he had identified, I believe, six or seven of those.
	In essence, vortexes are stargates.
	Yeah, well, actually these things took you back in time or forward in time.
	Okay, so maybe wormholes would be maybe more appropriate in that case.
	Well, I don't know whether...
	I was unaware of any transport to any other planets, but...
	Time rift or time warps.
	And there have been documented things, as you well know, Kerry, about planes that take off from a particular airport and show up at another airport at some considerable distance.
	A few seconds later, they're radioing the tower, and they're saying, well, you couldn't have just taken off from LaGuardia because, you know, here you are.
	And over Chicago, you know, a couple minutes later or some flight in another area in the middle portion of the United States.
	So there are case instances that are readily researched online that people can find out that there's something odd going on.
	So Einstein was working on these six or seven different rips in time where You could go in one area and come out in a different time or, you know, forward or backwards.
	So that's all I know.
	I don't know anything about going to any other planets, but hey, you never know.
	I think if you're ripping the fabric of the space-time continuum, who knows?
	Absolutely.
	Now, a little closer to home, and I'm not going to keep you on the phone too long, but it's fascinating talking to you.
	We could go on for hours because I have so many things that we've done reports on and people would probably like to hear more about.
	One of the things I guess you were recently looking into is the situation down in Venezuela.
	This is very nuts and bolts kind of news that's going on right now.
	So you had some sort of, I don't know, you were propositioning that the future might contain, that we might be about to go on into war based on Some newspaper information you had seen coming out the last few days or whatever it was.
	Well, let's back up to what I call the Swami text where I saw into the future and I alleged to have either experienced a notion or what they call a download Where certain bits and pieces of information that I had come across led me to connect a few dots.
	And I says, gee, you know, this is going on, that's going on, this is going on, and that's going on.
	With regard to Trump's wall, the situation in Venezuela that is definitely a CIA op, And also some radar chat being spread across the central and southern United States.
	There are some interesting speculative remarks.
	That I actually say, you know, this is probably going to be what's going to happen, i.e.
	that since the State of the Union was put off and the government was closed and then now recently reopened, it is my speculation or And it may not even come true,
	and I hope it doesn't, but I believe that we're going to be going down to Venezuela to rescue staff down there at our embassy, or that were at the embassy location.
	I think President Maduro in Venezuela has recently capitulated to allowing Our staff can remain in Venezuela for another 30 days, but under a different mission, to which former CIA Director Mike Pompeo, now the U.S. Secretary of State, says, no, we're not going to go for any of that.
	We're going to stay there, which is definitely going to spur Maduro to seize our staff members and give us a reason to go down there.
	At which point it's already a humanitarian disaster in Venezuela with regard to people and they are going to be exiting the country and to my knowledge Maduro's got tanks and other armored personnel carriers headed for the Colombian border.
	So, in lieu of that going on and Trump's wall and wall of opposition against his wall, I believe that we'll probably see a national security address rather than a State of the Union I believe that we'll probably see a national security address rather than a State of the Union address, whereby Trump says, you know, he never
	And I think he's going to try and do a Benghazi Libya embassy situation in reverse, whereby we go down there and we do whatever we have to, to secure our facility, albeit bombing this side or the other. albeit bombing this side or the other.
	Down in Venezuela.
	So, and it's all got to do with oil and standard oil, well, standard oil or Chevron and Mobil, Exxon Mobil, getting the grip on Venezuelan oil and breaking up the small cartel between Venezuela and Iran.
	Okay, but the Venezuela-Iran oil connection has something to do with China as well.
	Well, China loaned Venezuela $60 billion of which Venezuela has repaid $40 billion of that to China.
	Venezuela still owes China 20 billion and what China has done to protect the oil shipments out of Venezuela beyond the embargo that had encircled Venezuela is China and Russia have a like a tag team dot-to-dot thing from the Indian Ocean to the Caribbean To escort the Venezuelan
	oil tankers out into international waters to make their deliveries, make their oil shipment deliveries.
	And the China and Russian military escort ships are there to Okay,
	but this does relate also to the wall on some level.
	Is this to prevent the Chinese from coming across the troops?
	With the exodus of people in a humanitarian crisis they all flood north or at least predominantly north And or into other countries, and the analogy that I foresee,
	now I may be totally wrong on this, it's just my speculation, the analogy I believe the Trump administration will use to get its border wall funding is out of the national security emergency that will be declared, that will fund it out of the Department of Defense budget.
	In its entirety, the wall will be built, and it will be to protect the United States from an increase of caravans coming from not only Central American countries, but also South American countries from Venezuela.
	So I think the hype will come in a national security address where We may see in the future that our embassy staff from Caracas, Venezuela have been taken hostage or have been shuffled off into another building against their will.
	And Mike Pompeo just recently, I think, before the Organization of American States on Friday said, no, that is not going to happen.
	We are not going to be moved.
	We are not going to reduce our mission footprint.
	And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	So we're going to see some triggering mechanism that I believe will basically shove Nancy Pelosi back into her hole in the ground.
	So...
	That's my speculation.
	Alright, now you're saying, I'm looking at this, you said Russia sent two nuclear bombers to Venezuela.
	Yeah, let me give you an update on that.
	About, I think it was December the 12th, it was a couple of weeks ago, it was an old report that I had read, Russia had landed two of its white swans It's white swan nuclear bombers into Caracas.
	And they were carrying nuclear warheads that were active.
	So...
	You know, I thought it would be problematic to attack Venezuela with two nuclear bombers on the ground, but those two nuclear bombers took back off in the air a few days later, so they are gone now.
	So, we'll see what happens.
	And of course, China and Russia, with their military escort ships to get the oil tankers from Venezuela out and get their oil to market, meaning Venezuela's oil to market, That costs a lot of money to provide that kind of coverage on those shipments.
	So China has a vested interest to see 20 billion data, but 20 billion to China is really not that much.
	But both China and Russia for having set up this...
	What do they call it?
	Like a fire brigade of military escort ships for Venezuela.
	That costs a lot of money, and they figured, okay, we'll provide the escorts for China's oil shipment so they can get out and get that oil to market, and we're going to get one hell of a deal on the oil from them.
	But, you know, China doesn't need Venezuela's oil, nor does Russia.
	This is an encroachment...
	To, you know, install a more hardline communist regime in Venezuela.
	And none of this information is being leaked to the press.
	All that's coming to the press, the mainstream news media, is that it's a U.S. operation and they're installing their puppet President in Venezuela and Maduro has to support President Maduro,
	the current president, who everybody's trying to house the U.S. and apparently the U.S. has the support of a good number of Western-friendly countries, obviously, to install this U.S.-educated young man to take over Venezuela.
	So there is a problem there.
	It's like a Ukraine situation only happening in Venezuela.
	Okay, well, in this case, the U.S. is playing the role of Russia.
	You know, Russia versus, you know, with the Ukraine, U.S., with Venezuela, to clarify for people who are listening.
	Now, the thing, though, is that there's a lot of sort of gray area here.
	First of all, as I was saying to you, is that Russia and the U.S. are working together in the secret space program.
	And have been for decades.
	And they also, by virtue of that, in essence, are working together in the secret government because those things go hand in hand.
	That sort of is an interesting thing.
	Then what happens with China is that China also has been reported to have troops in Mexico in underground bases.
	This has been reported numerous times out in the public and also to me behind the scenes.
	So there's a Chinese issue with regard to why the wall might be wanting to be built at all.
	But whether it's any use, since it's a topside exercise, what I call topside exercise, is another matter.
	I understand what you're saying is ostensibly the reason, but I always look beneath the surface, as I know you do.
	So I'm suspicious of this whole exercise, and I think it actually may have to do with something else entirely.
	Well, you know, third choice observations where the one story line from one side of the world is not the truth, the second story line from the other The third choice is never even put on the table so the poor stupid public don't know anything as to what's really going on behind the scenes and that I think is what you always
	try to get to the bottom of and I applaud you for that very much.
	All right.
	So along these lines, though, wanting to know is what you're basically saying with the ships and this sort of caravan situation that's going on with Russia and China guarding Venezuelan vessels, they're circumventing a U.S. embargo.
	Isn't that correct?
	That is correct.
	They've been doing that for over a year now.
	What's interesting is I was trying to get some facts on that that I was aware of, and I went looking for the facts, and I can't find them anywhere on the internet anymore.
	They're gone.
	But, you know, maybe because I was in the wrong area, which I doubt.
	Yeah, that data, you know, there was a map showing where these particular escort ships were at.
	Actually, I might have saved some of that on my computer as well.
	I had that, you know, sent to me back when this was kind of coming to the surface and someone was...
	There's a researcher, a very good researcher, I don't remember his name, but he was tracking those ships.
	And I was interested in that.
	That would be your go-to guy.
	Yeah, but he was wrong in the sense that at least back when he was doing it, he was thinking that was going to You know, that war was going to break out any day.
	That's not what has happened.
	It always is interesting.
	Well, I hear you.
	But, you know, sometimes what you have is one operation covering up another operation, as you, of course, know.
	And so this allowing...
	See, when I see something like this where they actually allow...
	China to escort these things to you so they you know them to get around the embargo in essence they're letting them get around the embargo there's a reason why they're letting them get around the embargo and it may be covering up something else entirely maybe even a backroom deal with our government etc etc so So this is the kind of stuff.
	But just so people understand how this is the kind of dialogue he and I will have about any given subject.
	And this is where you have to dig in deep.
	And for people that are not paying attention, even in the chat, you are getting got to be really on your game to to pick up.
	The interesting sort of asides and things that are being said here, as well as in his reports, which you carefully put into your reports little bits and pieces that people will have missed and never know about if they don't pay attention, right?
	Yeah, unfortunately that's the way I write my reports.
	I'll always, you know, and I think you've probably recently found that out where I was able to go back and reference reports that I had provided in the UPI Guide blog report dating back as far as 2015 relating to a I
	It was pulled into doing the design of the pod-type wing for those particular experimental jets of the Third Reich.
	Those jets were actually the ones that first broke the sound barrier as supersonic jet aircraft.
	and nobody in the United States is willing to recognize that fact.
	Well, except maybe John Lear.
	He was one of the people who, if I remember correctly, I think he was one of the people who broke the sound barrier.
	Well, William Lear, his brother, was the one that flew those P-16 jets that were experimental aircraft of the Third Reich.
	That Caroni designed the wings for and also Caroni designed the wings for the flying wing of the Third Reich under his friends that would have been Claude Dornier or Claudio Dornier.
	And so, you know, in reviewing one of your recent interviews with a couple of gentlemen on the 20 and Back program, they had brought to light that when they were...
	When they went through this time portal or whatever to the off-world spaceships and the battles and things like that that were occurring, we, the U.S. people,
	were subservient to the Germans who were actually running the secret Well, some may say by virtue of Project Paperclip,
	that actually continued and it continues to this day, arguably, and what's going on in Antarctica may actually sort of support that with the base New Berlin, as it's called, and seeing...
	You know, John Kerry, for example, report down there during, of all times, one of the elections.
	So, you know, there's a lot going on that, you know, this stuff has not gone to bed.
	You know, and I agree with you in that regard.
	But I think it's obviously I do track this kind of stuff.
	So there's a lot going on there.
	A lot of links that are very alive.
	Since we're down at the southern portion of the globe in this conversation with regard to Antarctica and the things that were going on down there with regard to Operation Paperclip, I don't know how many of your viewing audience are aware that YouTube just came out with an edict that they are going to start steering people away from anything to do with the Flat Earth.
	And I mentioned Flat Earth in regards to Antarctica because there are some certain things that I planned on reporting about that we'll probably never take it onto YouTube now.
	But I'm going to go ahead and write a report that has to do with the area beyond Antarctica.
	So, be advised, if you're talking about Flat Earth, you're going to get zapped by YouTube.
	Very interesting.
	Just hit the wires today.
	Alright, so they want to keep quiet about what that may...
	See, to me, this is what this leads to, which has to do with understanding the dimensions, understanding the perception of the flat earth, in my view, has to do with a perception of what's called 4D, which is an unlimited horizontal dimension.
	Oh, thank you.
	You've been looking at my notes?
	No, I've been saying this for years now.
	People have been asking me, what is my impression of this?
	No, this is just my own intuition.
	I've been very aware, because I'm very aware of dimensions.
	I always have been, and I have a very easy way.
	I guess some people find it hard to visualize in their head.
	What a dimension.
	What does that mean?
	And how does that look?
	And so on and so forth.
	But I've even written a screenplay about it.
	Not about this topic, but about using the fourth dimension.
	And we've also been reported, you know, this has been substantiated now by other people that I've encountered, such as Dan Burish.
	Who we interviewed years ago several times, who also talked about this aspect.
	And then I had a very secret witness that contacted me and disappeared from a base in Texas.
	Who gave me some very key information that also related to that.
	So this is not idle speculation in my view.
	This is very important information.
	So this may be because that's where Flat Earth takes you.
	And what they don't want people to do, you know, they want people to remain in a very coarse 3D mentality.
	They don't want people to understand what the universe is really, or multiverse is really structured like.
	And they don't want people to know that we are time travelers, that we are multidimensional, etc.
	So this is a whole kind of can of worms.
	Well, so now your audience is getting the details as to why you vehemently objected to Matthew Hines saying, well, gee, Kerry, you've never been attacked by the government.
	Of course, I watched that video where you're sitting there trying to get the word out right away.
	What do you mean I haven't been attacked by the government?
	So, yeah, you've got a heck of a lot of data.
	And, you know, you are alternative media's galloping Barbara Walters.
	You have interviewed so many people, and you have gone around the globe, and you have been in and out of nooks and crannies in the world, and seen things and found out things that the likes of the government will never know, but I'm sure they would love to know.
	So, yeah, you're a target.
	Big-time target.
	All right.
	Well, I'm going to take that as a backhanded compliment.
	Now, I want to bring you down to another area, which you just sent me a message about, which, of course, you piqued my interest.
	And then I'm going to wind this conversation up and hope to have you back in the future.
	But before I let you go, I have to ask you about this.
	You brought up Bobby Ray Inman, who has long been a fascination for me, because I was psychically sent his information on Quite a long time ago when I was doing interviews.
	And then when I interviewed Mark Richards, you know, I've been interviewing him for, I had nine interviews with him.
	During one of those interviews, he told me at that time, he said he was reporting to Bobby Ray Inman, Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, and that after that, more recently, he's told me he no longer reports to him.
	Now, whether that's true that he no longer reports to him or whether he said that...
	Oh, he can't report to him because I think Bobby's dead now, isn't he?
	I don't know if he died recently or not.
	I didn't think so.
	You might want to wiki that.
	I think he was retired, but I don't think he died.
	But I could be wrong.
	I could be wrong.
	But there's something very interesting here about what are you trying to say, in essence, about a little bit of the background with Bobby Raymond and this famous Sheik.
	And Giuliani, where does that go, that whole story?
	Oh, well, yeah, back in, just after the turn of the 21st century in 2000s, The NSA took one of their top-level people,
	a guy by the name of Craig McCaw, MC, capital C-A-W, and stuck him in to head up a company in England called Teledesic Holdings Limited.
	Now, Teledesic was headquartered out of the state of Washington.
	However, Teledesic Holdings Limited was Uh, that was run by this, uh, top-level former CIA guy, Craig McCaw, uh, was, uh, marketing the sale of 52, uh, small constellation of 52 satellites that the NSA owned.
	Uh, they were getting old and tired and they wanted to mothball them.
	And so, um, you know, uh, Bill Gates, uh, being who he is and, The NSA being who they are and those two collaborating decided to set up an investment scheme to sell those 52 satellites to a group of investors.
	One of the investors was Bill Gates.
	Microsoft.
	The other one was a sheikh from the Arab world, a guy with a long name, I think his last name is Suba, or Alawit Suba, and many, many other people that invested heavily, only a billion dollars to set up this Bill Gates Internet in the Sky program for broadband internet back in the early 2000s, 2000, 2001, only a billion dollars to set up this Bill Gates Internet
	And Ali, the Arab investor, was the same guy that we later linked in 2001 to having financed the 9/11 terrorists, if you can believe 9/11.
	And, of course, Ali had presented Rudolph Giuliani, who was then mayor of the city of New York, with a check for $10 million for the victims or for the rebuilding or whatever.
	And then when Giuliani found out that Alawid was connected with the 9-11 terrorist, Giuliani returned Alawid's $10 million check.
	This is going back to legacy information in 2001.
	But to bring us back to Teladesic, Teladesic had an investment firm Called Telegesic Holdings Limited, and that was basically run by the NSA out of England.
	And the guy that was instrumental in the investments for various and sundry Aramaic-speaking families from the Middle East And also involved with Luciano Caroni, Claudio Caroni's brother.
	That teledesic was being marketed by Gabriel McEnroe.
	And therein goes that report that I talked about, Dornier, Caroni, and...
	And Lear with regard to the wing or wing pod design of their jet.
	So, not John Lear specifically.
	Right.
	So this all sort of ties in together.
	I get it.
	And this McEnroe is really, his name crops up everywhere.
	Now he has passed on.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Well, the interesting thing about McEnroe being the wheeler-dealer of private placement programs or high-yield investment programs, global investment programs, big ones, for the NSA, is that Gabriel McEnroe worked for Squad 6, as did I. Okay, that's really interesting.
	So, Gabriel McEnroe went rogue, okay, and I basically tracked his tail down and wound up He wound up becoming arrested and transported back to the United States where he was federally imprisoned for a couple of, two or three years and then he was allowed to take off and go back to Switzerland.
	So you talk about black budget financing and where do these billions of dollars come and who are involved, CIA not fundings, you know, where they arrange certain financing.
	Basically, I was the guy clearing out the rope knot, actually a couple of them.
	So that's the kind of work that I did for Squad Six.
	Okay.
	While you're talking, I've also been doing a search.
	I still don't see any kind of obituary for Admiral Bobby Ray Inman having passed on yet.
	Did you Wikipedia the name and see what it is?
	Yeah, Wikipedia is also notoriously misleading on many counts.
	But yeah, I did.
	It doesn't say anything.
	No one updated the record, so to speak, so far.
	Anyway, just in a very fast glance.
	Bobby Ray Enlund was very pro-NSA. And he was involved in that telegesic brainchild.
	Well, what's interesting about him, from my perspective, has to do with something that Mark Richards said, which he said, That of all the people, I think he was talking really on the planet, he was the most read in in terms of the ET situation.
	That he was the most knowledgeable.
	So that's very interesting.
	And of course, that's all going to be off the record.
	None of it's going to be recorded on the internet.
	So at any rate, all of these fascinating things that you are able to research and you have a background in, Yeah, well, I've read that somewhere.
	Yeah, well, I actually, I have another source on that, so that's an interesting thing.
	Whether it's true or not, I don't know, but he's probably, I mean, we're all alien-human hybrids in my eyes, so that's not so true.
	Yeah.
	The giant plane that he built on a bet with another gentleman that would never fly or such a craft would never fly.
	And then Howard Hughes built this behemoth of a plane and flew it 10 feet above the water and then set it down, collected on the bet and mock-balled the Spurs Goose, which I think is now off the coast of Portland.
	My point is that that particular plane design came from Korone at Dornier.
	That was built long before the Spruce Goose was ever built.
	Right.
	Fair enough.
	So anyway, when they talk about, you know, I'm not a card-carrying member of the Ku Klux Klan or the Nazi Party or the American Nazi Party or the New World Order or any of that, but I find it fascinating. I'm not a card-carrying member of the Ku Klux Klan
	Some of the data where I went down the rabbit hole to find out whether there was any truth to these so-called allegations of what appeared to be just like crap back in 1948 or even prior to that being designed by the Third Reich.
	Yeah, and Karani was part of that.
	Yeah, I was going to say that.
	I didn't finish it.
	It's like a to-be-continued thing.
	It's interesting how everything is intertwined.
	Yeah, I hear you.
	This gets into the William Tompkins stuff, and the public may not be so aware.
	We did mention you as being in touch with William Tompkins, and you tried to help me when they were trying to give me pushback.
	I can't remember the exact details of what went on there, but, you know, William Tompkins has passed on.
	You know, I had a personal conversation with Bill Tompkins, and he and I got along quite well on the phone, and he was trying to tell me how, and he said to me, and I don't know if I've shared this with you or not, But he says, you know, Paul, he says, maybe you understand, you know, the public is just not ready to have this kind of information released to them yet, and this and that.
	So I still believe that Bill was very pro-U.S. secrets and didn't want to release it all.
	And you could tell, you know, he would...
	He would hum and haw and he'd put his finger up to his lips and things like that.
	Bill knew a heck of a lot and he didn't share it all and I'm sure the government's happy that he didn't.
	But what he shared with you, I think, deserves another review.
	And it's too bad Bill's passed on now, or at least that's what the word is.
	Right.
	Either that or he's gone underground to an underground base to live out his days and or he got his wish and he's over at Mars or wherever it is.
	You know, but I think what happened, you know, because they cut him off, I didn't want him to talk to me anymore, and he disappeared right after that.
	I mean, within a month or so.
	I know.
	You know, I called him back after that incident, and I got hung up on by his nurse's aide or whoever is the caregiver for him.
	Right.
	And then I called him back again, I think a few weeks later, and I was able to speak to him, and he did come back on your show, so briefly, or at least contacted you, or he was supposed to anyway.
	No, he didn't.
	He never came back on my show.
	Oh, wow.
	In fact...
	Wow.
	No, he had agreed to come on my show.
	He died shortly after that.
	Yeah, he did, very shortly.
	Yeah, he apparently, you know, God, what a nice man.
	You know, speaking to Bill Topkins, he was like the way Americana was back in the 40s and 50s, you know, good-hearted, loyal citizens.
	And, you know, he had that tinge of innocence in there and a good heart and always trying to do things the right way and believing that the government was right no matter what.
	And I really liked the guy, and I'm sorry that he's gone.
	Right.
	Well, me too.
	He was a delightful man, but he was also, you know, quite a wily guy.
	And as you say...
	You had to kind of keep your eye on him to see what he was really up to, but a very smart man and really released a lot of good information, I think, to put out there.
	He was also a bit of a loose cannon, especially when he was talking to me.
	I know that for a fact, and I know that because Bob Wood, I don't know if you've ever talked to Bob Wood, but Bob Wood is...
	He knows a lot of what Tompkins knows, and Bob plays it much closer to the chest, so to speak.
	To the vest, oh yes, absolutely.
	And he was acting as kind of a handler for Tompkins as well, back in that time.
	Correct.
	Anyway, these are the things that...
	This is the kind of stuff that we know about and so on.
	Anyway, it's great to talk to you, Paul.
	Now, the reason we're bringing you forward even more here is to ask people to contribute.
	We do have a post from you about your current situation.
	So I want to be clear that you have been able to purchase another vehicle even though they took away your other one.
	Is that what happened?
	Yeah.
	It had been vandalized to the point where the windows were broken out.
	I was warned by the police to get it off the street.
	I could not raise the funding quick enough and I wound up losing that vehicle.
	And while I was in place impound, they charged me $250 a day for impound fees.
	And, you know, there's no way that I could hang on to it.
	So I bought this other van for $1,000 and got it up and running, but I can't drive the thing because the tags...
	I put on a counterfeit California registration tag, and I wound up having to pay six years, or at least I wound up being held responsible to pay six years of registration on that vehicle.
	It's a commercial vehicle, and a commercial vehicle is $247.00.
	A year to register in the state of California.
	Plus I had to pay tax on the thousand dollars I paid for it.
	So I don't have that money to do all those things.
	So I came up with an alternative high risk plan to I call it high risk because it's driving it with the counterfeit tags on the vehicle out to another state, having it re-registered, and that brings me back to the state.
	So it requires more than what I have, but at least I'm out of a sleeping bag intent.
	I drug the sleeping bag into the van, but I can't drive the van.
	It's only a matter of time before they ask me to...
	I can't drive the van.
	They already know that.
	If they run the tags, they'll impound the vehicle right away because it's a felony to have counterfeit tags on a license plate in any state.
	So, I didn't put the tags on there, so I'm like, I'm ready to get this thing registered and up and running legally, and then I have a home to...
	You know, I go back to living in the van again.
	All right.
	So what I'm trying to do here is basically there is, if you go to myprojecthamlot.tv and you click on today's interview, you will see a PayPal link there to donate to Paul.
	You can also write to him.
	His email is all over and all the ways to donate to him are on the bottom of every post that he makes, which is on his blog, which you can also click on his blog to get more information about him.
	But if you can possibly help him out, that will be very valuable.
	We'd like to keep him alive.
	It's it's pretty cold out there now, even though it is L.A.
	And so, you know, just can't you know, he can't.
	It's very hard for him being homeless, living in a car, etc.
	He really has no financial wherewithal, so I send him money when I can.
	I know some other people try to help him out, but it's always living hand-to-mouth with him.
	If you can help out, that would be appreciated.
	Any wrap-up comments?
	It's not that I don't want to work.
	I can't work.
	I'm on a cane.
	I'm 67 years old and don't even qualify for public assistance.
	It's a sad situation.
	If I were a citizen in this country, I don't know how the undocumented workers collect, but anyway, last word, I try to do what I can when I can, and depending on my situation, the quality of my reports become far better when When I have a more secure living environment,
	but being street homeless, living in a sleeping bag in a tent under a freeway overpass out of the middle of the field, away from the zombies and the street gangs who like to roam into the homeless camps and terrorize people, I'm trying to stay safe.
	So I'd like to get back to work.
	That's fine.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much, Carrie, for having me on and giving me an opportunity to talk.
	I don't know what, if any, good ground I covered, but I tried.
	Absolutely.
	And if you want me on again, hey, no problem.
	Just, you know, dial me up.
	All right.
	Very good.
	We'll do that.
	And so stay safe.
	And anyone who can help out, it's much appreciated.
	And this will go on my YouTube channel.
	Hopefully get a lot of notice.
	And we've said a lot of, I think, good things here.
	And you've certainly gotten...
	I think people might feel they got to know you a bit here.
	So thank you again for coming on the show.
	And...
	Anyone who wants to help him out, hey, even get him a computer as well that can charge in the car, then that probably would help you out immensely.
	You could get onto Skype and not be charged for your phone as much, maybe.
	That's fine.
	That would be great.
	God, I have so much that I wanted to say.
	I'm just very appreciative of all those people in your audience that have helped me.
	I have just been blowing the money and things like that.
	I've been doing diligent things.
	I'm about $700 away from getting the van license so that I can drive it, but I do have to do a high-risk thing out to another state and then back, and then when I come back, I have nothing to solve.
	You know, whatever anybody can do, it would be greatly appreciated, and I thank everybody.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Kerry.
	All right.
	Thank you very much.
	Take care.
	Bye-bye.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Bye.
	So thanks, everyone, for being there and listening and watching.
	And I think we're going to do...
	I guess this video has taken a while.
	But anyway, we're going to try to do a conference tomorrow, I think, with Alexandra, but I'm not sure if it's going to all fly.
	I need to get another computer.
	My computer is not...
	The last two shows, they cut me off.
	Today, I didn't use Skype at all, so I was able to stay on the air.
	Having a problem with this big computer, this iMac, and I'm having to get a different screen and see if I can manage to get this thing going again.
	Anyway, thanks for your help.
	Take care.
	Thanks for watching and stay tuned to Project Camelot.
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