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Nov. 29, 2018 - Project Camelot
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RASHAD MUHAMMAD RE: UFOS & THE NATION OF ISLAM
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Thank you.
Hi, everyone.
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I'm very happy to be here tonight.
This is going to be a very interesting show and I'm sure that people who are tuned in can appreciate that.
We don't often get to hear from Members of Islam talking about UFOs, etc.
And I think it's a fascinating subject.
Obviously, it's sort of my area of expertise to some degree.
And it's very nice to have Ilya Rashad Muhammad with me tonight.
So what I'm going to do is switch over to him and Rashad, if you can just say hello to everyone, and then I'm going to read your short bio description here to introduce you.
Greetings, greetings, and thank you so much for having me.
Excellent.
Yes, and I'm very happy that we were able to arrange this.
So, Ilya Rashad Muhammad is my guest, and he is here to discuss the role of UFOs and ETs within the teachings of Aliyah Muhammad.
And as popularized by Minister Lewis Farrakhan, Rashad Mohammed has written a book, UFOs and the Nature of Islam, the Nation of Islam.
Okay, let me say that again.
UFOs and the Nation of Islam, the source, proof, and reality of the wheels about the foundation of the Nation of Islam being in UFOs and related concepts.
And all of this is on my website, projectcamelot.tv, and you can get some links to his bio.
I've actually quoted a couple paragraphs from your book because I thought they were very important.
And then also a statement from someone you work with, Louis Mohamed, And he wrote to me in an email, and I think that's very important information there.
So please do, let me see if I can, what would be good would be actually to share this with everyone.
So you can actually see what it is that Lewis said, and then we're obviously going to hear from you, Rashad.
And the statement is now going to be online.
Just so that people understand that there have been a lot of misquotes of Minister Farrakhan and perhaps others in your group.
And so we do want to address some of that.
But mainly we want to talk about your book.
So if you would be so kind as to give me kind of a brief overview of why you wrote your book and what your book is actually dealing with.
Thank you, and most certainly.
First of all, thank you so much for even having the gall to invite us to discuss and engage with us on these very interesting topics.
I think you ought to credit yourselves because Project Camelot has been one of very few groups that have actually had the integrity of being able to discuss Publicly discuss this topic with us in such a format.
Outside of the Nation of Islam and other related groups, very few have even been willing to engage us on this very, very important subject concerning the UFO phenomenon.
And we're very appreciative of that.
And in truth, this is what led to me and us compiling research on this subject.
Because the UFO topic is actually an inherent part of the Nation of Islam.
And it's sad that many of the UFO researchers, ufologists, and documentarians very seldom, if ever, incorporate the very valuable contributions that the Nation of Islam has brought to this worldwide global phenomenon.
So this is largely what our book deals with.
We deal with the fact that it was the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, the eternal leader of the Nation of Islam, who actually started what we could consider the modern UFO phenomenon based on the intricate details that he was shown directly from his teacher,
Master Farad Muhammad, who is responsible for These circular crafts that are now considered UFOs.
And be mindful, this was in the early 1930s.
And another part of the book deals heavily with the fact that the Nation of Islam and the UFO topic together have both been deliberately shrouded in mystery.
The interrelatedness of these two topics Have been pretty much kept above top secret.
Both the UFO phenomena and the Nation of Islam has been shrouded in mystery.
And this has been a deliberate part of a misinformation campaign on the highest parts and highest echelons of government.
And so we pretty much work to elucidate and clarify so many of these misconceptions.
Okay, very good.
Now, what I want to do is find out what it is that, I guess, Elijah Muhammad's teacher, if you're saying his teacher told him about UFOs, what did his teacher tell him?
Well, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad's teacher is one Master Farad Muhammad.
It is this man whom we in the Nation of Islam recognize as the one fulfilling The prophecies in the Islamic world known as Mahdi, and even that Messianic role in the Judeo-Christian world.
It is this Master Sadat Muhammad who not only taught the Honorable Elijah Muhammad the science and intricate details of these crafts, but he showed him directly by summoning this huge Wheel-shaped craft.
Now, this is in the early 1930s.
He summoned and showed Elijah Muhammad this huge wheel-shaped craft along with its accompanying 1,500 smaller wheel-shaped crafts and gave him the intricate details concerning them, concerning where they are from,
who controls and pilots them, their divine purpose, Along with so many other details and interestingly Elijah Muhammad and the Nation of Islam actually remains the only group to offer definitive details not theories but definitive details on these crafts that have now years later been called UFOs by government and other
groups and notice that this took place in the early 1930s before Roswell, before many of these popular cases of UFO incidents.
And this is part of what has been deliberately shrouded in mystery.
Okay, now I want to go down this road with you, but first I'm very curious about you.
So I want to know why it is that you were so driven, it looks like, to kind of go in this new direction to reveal this background of Islam.
And to put it in a book, in other words, did you have your own UFO sighting?
You know, what was your experience?
And why are you so driven?
Because you seem really sort of on it.
You seem like a kind of a bit of a pioneer.
Perhaps, you know, I don't know how the rest of Islam feels about you and your book, but maybe you could say something about that as well.
Well, part of what has driven me to Compile this research is the fact that there are so many misconceptions concerning what the Nation of Islam stands for and what the Nation of Islam teaches and our purpose.
And this is a major part of the Nation of Islam's inherent theology.
And it also does distinguish us from Most of the, not only the religious world, but it distinguishes us from the educational, academic schools of thought as well, because very few make the claim that they know what these crafts are.
You know, many call them UFOs because for the most part they are unknown.
But interestingly, it was Elijah Muhammad, the leader of the Nation of Islam, who actually answered The UFO phenomenon before there were any major questions concerning it.
He was already teaching the intricate details of these crafts before any of the major sightings, before any of the official government investigations, and before many of the mass sightings.
So he had already answered the questions about these crafts before there was even a real concern about them.
I understand.
But what I'm asking you is why you are interested.
Like, did you, again, did you have a sighting?
Have you had a sighting?
And what is your understanding about UFOs?
In other words, do you have direct contact or not?
I, like countless millions of Americans and countless, perhaps hundreds of millions throughout the world, have had sightings No direct encounters, per se.
However, another aspect that really drives me to take on this subject in the manner that I do is because I am a follower of the man who is actually the representative of these crafts, and that being the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan.
And you may find it interesting, too, Ms.
Carey, that Minister Farrakhan, who many Have considered a controversial figure for whatever reasons.
He has for several decades very publicly expressed his direct connection to these wheel-shaped planes called UFOs.
He has mentioned it before thousands and thousands on all type of television shows.
He's had press conferences over the last few decades explaining his Connection to these wheels.
But it's interesting how even his staunchest critics very seldom even bring this up.
They don't even criticize or even try to attack this very important aspect of him.
So since I am a follower and a student of this magnificent man, it behooves me to clarify and express this truth before the world.
Particularly before the scholarship, who have been some of the staunchest critics of religion, of the Nation of Islam.
So this is an important subject because it is a subject of, I would say, messianic proportion.
I don't know how much you know about my work or any of that, but I wonder now, who do you think is occupying those crafts?
Because the craft is one thing, but the actual occupants, the ones who are driving it, are important, obviously.
Just like your car might be important, but you're a lot more important than your car.
So would you say that they are greys, a mixture of different races, reptilians?
Are you aware of all the different...
You know, ET races coming from off-world.
What is your theory or what is Farrakhan's, Minister Farrakhan's theory about this?
And is he having direct contact with some of these beings?
I'm familiar with the fact that there are countless theories concerning the occupants of these crafts.
And it has to be known that When people say UFOs, UFOs simply refers to unidentified flying objects.
Whether those UFOs are actual UFOs from Something unbeknownst to this world, or who knows, it could even be in some cases a trash bag floating up in the sky.
And because it's unknown, technically that could be considered a UFO. When we talk about UFOs, we are referring specifically to these circular wheel-shaped crafts that were introduced in the world literally in 1929.
It's after they've taken off.
And the occupants of these crafts so teaches the Honorable Elijah Muhammad are not beings from another world.
Although I've heard of several theories concerning the occupants of these, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad had a very intimate relationship, personal relationship with some of the occupants.
And he taught as It has been verified in many of the more credible cases that these occupants are actually humans.
However, they are humans of totally different intelligence levels and capabilities.
So you could say they are not from this world in that sense, but they are humans from this Earth.
In fact, although those planes can fly pretty much anywhere within space that they would like, These planes were actually derived and constructed on this earth in a very secretive manner and a non-conventional manner.
Okay, so this is what Elijah Muhammad says.
Is that correct?
This is what the Honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches.
This is what the Honorable Minister Farrakhan represents.
Certainly this is what I believe, and not only that, but This is what the research that we've compiled pretty much confirms and supports.
Okay, so you don't think they come from other planets.
Are you talking about what are conventionally called greys?
Are you seeing the greys as humans?
Is that your theory?
I think greys in and of itself is pretty much a theory.
As a human being on this planet, With all the problems facing this planet and the solutions that could solve many of these problems, I have not seen where any grays or any other reptilians or creatures have had any relevance to this.
In fact, as part of the Misinformation campaign on the part of these higher echelons of government intelligence, part of their misinformation campaign is to deceive the public about the Nation of Islam and the planes that the Nation of Islam represents.
So, so much of the theories that have popped up concerning the UFO phenomena have Come about as a way to divert the public's attention from the very credible first-hand teachings that the Nation of Islam offers in regard to these planes.
So many of these ideas of this intelligence being from otherworldly, although it is quite fascinating, I don't know of anything that really supports that.
I see.
So you don't know about the beings that have recovered from what we call crash retrievals, the crashes of these craft, and the descriptions of greys that really proliferate around the planet.
You yourself have never seen a gray, and you don't believe that the greys are flying those vehicles.
Is that correct?
Pretty much.
Pretty much.
Again, I've heard of greys.
And it's mostly been on TV, Hollywood, and things like that that come from many of these theories.
And I would actually argue that so much of these theories have come about to divert the public's attention away from the very earthly human element Uh, associated with these so-called UFOs.
Okay.
Now, do you believe the UFOs come from the future or the past?
And where do you think they come from?
Um, I think they come from right here on this earth.
However, this is not something that is done by conventional intelligence.
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad, who first, uh, He taught of these planes, as I mentioned earlier, before any of the widespread reports and sightings and whatnot, he taught about the occupants of these planes.
He even taught where they were built, right here on this earth.
A large portion of some of these crafts was actually done in or near Japan, as well as other places on this earth.
Rather congruent with what we read in some of the prophetic scriptures of the sacred texts, notably in the book of Ezekiel in the Old Testament, who describes this futuristic wheel that is supposed to arrive.
And even in the book of Ezekiel, in these prophetic images that are given, these wheels were described as coming, being lifted up from the earth.
And so the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and what Minister Farrakhan represents in this UFO phenomenon is our wheels that are far beyond the intelligence and capabilities and wisdom and powers of this world.
But ironically, they come from this earth and are operated by far advanced human beings who are not Guided and governed by the paradigms of this world.
Okay, so when you talk about Japan being somehow related to this, and also the question is, are you aware of what some of the UFOs actually come from inside the ocean?
Do you subscribe to the idea of what we call Inner Earth?
Or are you only talking about something on surface Earth in a conventional manner that has to do with something?
I guess, are you talking about Japan in that regard?
Well, the crafts, these wheels, and you'll notice that in the Nation of Islam, we'll frequently use that terminology of wheels.
Sometimes we may refer to the mother plane when referring to the very huge object that is like the central office of the so-called UFOs, mother plane or mother wheel.
And the smaller ones are frequently referred to as wheels or baby planes or baby wheels.
What have you.
So I don't want to confuse you with that nomenclature or that terminology that we use.
Right.
No, that's understandable.
So, again, why do you refer to Japan and are you also talking about the craft that look like wheels that do come out of the sea or do not give credit to those sightings?
Well, the wheels that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad introduced to us, Can travel anywhere in space that it likes.
That includes on the earth, in the earth, in space, and all of that.
So many of those sightings of crafts that have come out of the sea and gone under the sea may very well be these same crafts.
Okay.
Now, the occupants you think are human, are you saying you think they're Japanese?
Not necessarily.
Japan just happened to be one of the main locations where parts of these wheels were created and constructed.
And to what we understand, many of those who are actually working on the construction of these planes did not necessarily know what the final product would be.
These are people who all had their individual roles and they played their part until those few, led by Master Father Muhammad, until those few who knew about what the end result would be.
And the end result is in fulfillment of what the prophetic scriptures spoke of.
I think you'll find that in most of the sacred texts of Judeo-Christian, even in Islamic texts, we see where God and His angels are always depicted operating from some type of heavenly vessel, whether they're called heavenly thrones or wheels even.
Some refer to a huge city in the sky, the dwelling place of God called a New Jerusalem.
And so many of these terms, even in the Holy Qur'an, God is referred to as being stationed or positioned on his throne of power, a throne of power that is stationed in the heavens above the waters.
So all of the sacred texts give references to God and his angels operating from both an earthly perspective, but frequently in a heavenly celestial position from some type of vessel.
And so what Master Father Muhammad and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and Minister Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam represents are the fulfillment of what these prophecies have foretold thousands of years ago.
Okay, so what exactly do you think they're doing here?
Well, to make it very simple, those prophecies as well as the teachings of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad made it very plain.
The nature of this wheel has two main natures.
One is one of destruction, because we read about God using some of his vessels to destroy the current world's paradigm, the current satanic world, if you will, a world governed by satanic forces.
Such a world will be brought down, and this is one of the instruments that This God would use in that process.
But the other purpose of it is the technology and the capabilities and the healing, the everlasting healing associated with this plane as described in the Bible's New Jerusalem.
It holds the key To a whole new world of peace.
So it has two natures.
And I think that's what is described in the Book of Ezekiel when it describes a God-like figure in the form of a man.
And it uses very symbolic language of part of his body being of burning amber and another part being like a dazzling rainbow.
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught that this refers to the two different natures of the God who controls and operates and who is behind this huge wheel and the smaller wheel like crafts that we see today.
Okay, now I've always thought that it's kind of interesting that basically The temples of Islam and of the Muslims are shaped like UFOs.
So I'm wondering if you see it that way, and do you think that they have built their temples to mirror these craft?
That's an interesting observation too, Miss Carrie.
I don't think that those, at least in the modern world, I don't think that those who build these very beautiful edifice were intentionally aware of likening these dome-shaped buildings to UFOs.
I think it may be somewhat of a traditional and artistic type of thing, but who knows?
There are several references to these Crafts in these scriptures, so who knows?
Maybe somebody who was responsible for the blueprint had that in mind.
I never thought of it like that before.
Oh, really?
Okay, very interesting.
Yeah, I do, and I've always been struck by it.
You know, I was in Turkey, and they're especially clear that way in Turkey, the way they build their buildings, and they look like UFOs everywhere.
And so it's very interesting.
But now I wonder what you're talking about when you're talking about these so-called beings.
You think they're gods.
So are you...
I wonder if you're familiar with the beings that are carved into the temples of Egypt and also in Iran.
The beings that look human and do appear to come in those kinds of craft.
Are you considering those beings to be so-called gods, even though they look human?
Well, we don't necessarily refer to those who occupy these crafts as gods per se.
They're more like angels who work and operate on these crafts at the behest of the supreme being, of God.
In fact, The Honorable Elijah Muhammad, who actually had a personal relationship with some of these persons who operate some of these crafts, he referred to them as angels as well as scientists because they are human beings.
But they are human beings of tremendous capabilities, certainly not like the average human beings that you and I may be accustomed to.
They look like your average human being, but they are certainly a higher intelligence and capabilities because they have been taught and trained under the direct tutelage of this Supreme Being, Master Father Muhammad.
So these angels or beings Are also referred to as scientists.
And I think by using that terminology of scientists, it gives a very practical, realistic explanation as to the intelligence of those who operate and control these graphs.
Okay, so if you think they're directed by what you call God, and you're giving God this name, sorry, I don't quite, I'm not, I don't recognize that name for God, but are you thinking this is the God of everything, or are you thinking this is a man like God?
What do you, who is this person that you're referring to?
This is the God of everything, the God mentioned in the scriptures.
Of all the different sacred texts.
In fact, in the Holy Qur'an, Allah is just one of the many names of God.
It's not the only name of God, but Allah in the Holy Qur'an is referred to in these words.
In Arabic, it's referred to as a phrase, which refers to him as being the Lord of all the worlds.
That means not just Earth, but the Lord of all the worlds, all of the universe.
However, if you are the type of person who's into religion or familiar with the scriptures, we notice that this God who is supposed to be the God of all of the worlds and over the universe seems to have a particular interest in Earth and refers to Earth as being his footstool, almost like his stomping ground, if you will.
And so we recognize this God of everything.
However, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad practically solved the mysteries of God, of the Supreme Being.
And this is what distinguishes the nation of Islam from every other school of thought.
Elijah Muhammad makes the bold and audacious claim that he literally met God, the Supreme Being, who came in, as he states, in the person of Master Farad Muhammad.
And this God, this God in human form, literally taught Elijah Muhammad certain things that the rest of the world was not privy to.
He taught a man, Elijah Muhammad, who only had a third or fourth grade education, mind you.
He gave him, taught him pretty much some of the secrets.
of the world, some of the secrets of the universe, and one of those primary secrets happened to be the topic of what we're discussing now, of UFOs.
Okay, now there is a theory, I don't know, do you know a man named Jordan Maxwell?
I'm not familiar, I don't think I'm familiar with that name.
He's a scholar who has studied the history of Really what we call secret societies and the Vatican and the symbolism behind it.
And in other words, the sort of satanic, you could call them rulers of this earth at the time.
And one of the things he has said, not sure if you've ever heard this, is that The Pope, back in the day, and I'm not sure when exactly, but it might have been around the time of Constantinople, I'm not sure when, that the Pope actually created this person called...
I guess, you know, Muhammad, who then was educated and was kind of given a platform to create a religion, but that it was created by the Pope at that time.
Now, have you ever heard that theory?
I've never heard that theory before, and probably for good reason.
Even the staunchest critics of Islam I don't think would even subscribe to such a theory.
Muhammad, the prophet of Arabia, was a man, for one, he was not an educated man.
He was part of what, he was literally illiterate, you know, which is one of the reasons why his transformation of savage Arabia was so remarkable because a revelation Given to an illiterate man 1400 years ago caused so much change and reformation in savage Arabia and is still causing change and reform in certain parts
of the world to this day.
And you may find it also interesting that in the Holy Quran, this revelation that was revealed to an illiterate man actually contains Several, several scientific truths that have not been discovered until several hundred years after its revelation.
Truths concerning astronomy, truths concerning embryology, geography and topography, truths concerning the science of insects and honeybees and things like this.
So I don't think the Pope had any The Pope who didn't have such knowledge.
This was a time when many were still believing that the earth was flat.
So there's no way that any Pope could have taught or made up somebody named Muhammad that can bring these truths in the world that the church are still trying to catch up to, let alone science.
All right.
Now, in terms of these, again, these UFOs that you guys are calling being sort of instruments of this kind of supreme being, so you think that this supreme being or Elijah Muhammad thinks the supreme being, or maybe, I'm not sure whether, you know, the prophet Muhammad thinks this, but did they think that this so-called supreme being was walking around on Earth?
If you notice...
One of the great, I would even say, deceptions of religion, period, is that religion has made God, the supreme being, a very abstract figure.
And that is very ironic because when we actually read the scriptures, God is heavily depicted and described as In human forms.
He walks.
He talks.
He eats.
He sits.
He does all of these things.
He reveals and speaks to prophets face to face.
So the honorable Elijah Muhammad seems to have fulfilled what the book of Revelations talks about when it says that at a certain point of the seventh angel that the mysteries of God would be finished.
We recognize that Elijah Muhammad brought a certain truth and has challenged the world with this truth, mind you.
He's challenged the world of science and scholarship to really disprove the arguments that he has put forth, not just concerning what now people call the UFO phenomena, but even concerning God and religion.
And the arguments that the Nation of Islam put forth in this are not relegated to mere scriptures.
Because as you know, Ms.
Carey, when people start getting into religion and scriptures, it's largely interpretive.
So you can't base real arguments based on something that's strictly interpretive.
But what the Honorable Elijah Muhammad does is challenge the world of science To contend with what the Nation of Islam teaches concerning God and his real life crafts on the basis of science.
So we have welcomed the secular world of scholarship to dialogue with us, even interrogate and challenge us concerning these truths that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad has brought to the world and that the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan is currently representing.
And I think that's what a lot of this controversy has arisen from.
It is deliberately used to try to keep intelligent people like yourselves from even engaging us in an intelligent manner.
So by castigating the nation of Islam and our leadership as being, whatever they say, hateful or anti-Semitic, all of these are very Well, lies for the most part, but they are tricks that are used to sway the public from even engaging us in an intelligent discussion.
And this is why we really appreciate you and Project Camelot just for even engaging us in this regard.
Well, sure.
I'm happy to, you know, really discuss these matters with just about anyone.
Now, I will say, though, that my understanding of this so-called God you're referring to is actually what we call an Anunnaki.
And that they are particularly tall, and that they are depicted on the temples of Egypt and the temples of Iran, and that they do look human.
That's true, humanoid, but they're quite tall, nine feet to, you know, 11 feet, maybe even taller.
And I wonder if you've looked at this information.
There's a man named Zachariah Sitchin.
Some people don't agree with his interpretation of the Sumerian tablets, but others certainly are aware.
You can't dispel the notion that there is a race of beings that are humanoid.
That appear to have come to this planet from somewhere.
Many people think Nibiru, another system, and sometimes people think it might be on its way back through.
But at any rate, what we're talking about, you know, I think you could appreciate that we have a paradigm here on Earth.
That involves, you know, a power sort of struggle between humans.
And so we're talking about some humans being on top of the paradigm and others being at the bottom.
And, of course, you know, the prejudice and so on that goes on between different races and a lot of the misunderstandings with regard to race.
And also, I think, regarding our what, in essence, I would call our ET or off-world past or heritage is constantly happening and going on.
And I wonder if you refer or Elijah Muhammad refers to this man that he's referring to as a human, in essence, or humanoid, what we would call a humanoid.
Has it never occurred to you that this actually...
you know, did you hear the story of Enlil and Enki and how they genetically re-engineered humanity?
Have you heard this story and do you agree with it or do you disagree with it?
What's your position on that?
I am familiar with some of the theories offered by those like Zachariah Sitchin, And several others who have forwarded the theories concerning ancient alien astronauts.
And while there is some truth to the fact that there obviously was some very highly advanced intelligence, ancient intelligence, what we recognize from the teachings of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, and history actually verifies it, is that, again, there was Highly advanced civilizations that have since fallen.
And the Honorable Elijah Muhammad didn't teach that these were civilizations from some other world.
See, that's the part that is largely interpretive.
You know, when we look at the art that's on the walls and the hieroglyphs and things like that, these are images that can easily be interpreted as anything.
So we in the Nation of Islam don't necessarily rely on mere interpretations.
Instead, we like to base our belief on what we call actual facts.
And so the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and we, with common sense, recognize that this world does have a lot of problems, but these problems of the world were not brought about from some otherworldly problems.
These problems were brought about from people right here on this earth, and the solutions to these problems we don't think are going to come from some otherworldly thing.
I think that's a trick of religion, but the real solutions are going to come from people right here on this earth.
So this God that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and the Nation of Islam represents is actually what we say solve the mysteries of this God.
Everybody, different religions, believes in some type of God, deity type figure, but it's the nation of Islam that, again, is very distinguished from every other school of thought.
Every other theological perspective and that we say Elijah Muhammad solved and finished the mysteries concerning God and the big secret to all of that is that God is and has always been a human being.
That's the secret.
I see.
And why do you believe him?
Because he brought too much evidence to substantiate his claims.
Okay, where is the evidence of this?
Part of the evidence lies in exactly what we're talking about, this UFO phenomenon.
The fact is, the Nation of Islam introduced this reality to the modern world.
Again, there were no mass sightings, there were no official investigations, there was no real governmental or widespread concern Of these circular crafts until after Elijah Muhammad's God showed him to him.
And to this very day, the nation of Islam, under his leadership, remains the only entity to offer details concerning these planes.
And the details Elijah Muhammad was given in the early 30s, the Credible UFO cases have basically just verified everything that he taught.
And you may find this interesting too, Ms.
Kerry, that in the early 30s, the Nation of Islam, our mosques in Detroit were raided by authorities, by police.
Many, including Elijah Muhammad, were arrested.
And we were mislabeled a voodoo cult because this group of black Muslims in the 1930s was teaching a teaching that sounded very strange, a teaching that involved the origin of people and a teaching that involved the reality of these planes, which at that time had never, nobody ever heard of anything like this before.
So because of this strange teaching, we were labeled a voodoo cult.
And a few years later, in 1942 to be exact, America's army and armed forces Actually witnessed the very thing that Elijah Muhammad had been teaching about over Los Angeles and what became known as the Battle of Los Angeles.
You may be familiar with this, where a huge circular craft was spotted over off the coast of California and the armed forces fired several hundred rounds of anti-aircraft artillery at this craft that was stationed in the clouds.
And with all of that artillery fired at the craft, The craft didn't even budge.
It just stood there in the clouds, took whatever little artillery was fired at it, and went on about its business like nothing happened.
And it was accompanied by a few other smaller circular crafts that were dancing roundabout.
After this historic event, the country was shook, the President Roosevelt and the military was Awestruck because they had never seen or witnessed anything like this, which led to an investigation to find out what the heck was this craft.
Of course, they were concerned if it was Japan, if it was Germany and all of this, but all of their investigations led to the only person teaching about these things, which happened to be this black man who only had a third grade education, Elijah Muhammad.
Which warranted the FBI to arrest, interrogate, and incarcerate Elijah Muhammad.
And they admitted to him that they had encountered this wheel that he represents, and they questioned him about it.
And they confiscated some of our teachings concerning the wheel from our local mosque or temple at the time.
And they locked Elijah Muhammad up for about five years or so because they didn't want anyone to hear about this type of teaching representing another power that's greater than what America is capable of.
This is actually the beginning of what we can consider the UFO cover-up.
It had to do with Elijah Muhammad and his connection to these wheels.
All right.
Now, I appreciate that perspective, but I don't think that you've gone back in history far enough.
So there is evidence, even in the Bible, going back, you know, eons of sightings of these various craft and even drawings, paintings that contain the craft, even religious paintings.
And this is documented.
We also have ancient peoples such as the Hopi and other peoples who talk about these craft And have depicted them on, yes, that's true.
And, you know, and the Aborigine, etc.
So, not to mention Atlantis.
Now, I don't know whether you guys subscribe to the notion that there was such a continent called Atlantis, but that was a very highly advanced civilization, equal to or surpassing, probably surpassing where we're at now.
Obviously, it was taken down.
In a number of cataclysms.
But nonetheless, these things have been around long before Elijah Muhammad was alive.
And you'll notice, and thank you, but you'll notice that I mentioned that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad introduced this reality to the modern world.
Now, we recognize that there have been ancient civilizations that were highly advanced, which included Flight technology.
There were planes.
In fact, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught that there were planes like these, similar to these, that our people had years ago before our fall.
So this is not to discredit the fact that there actually were planes of similar magnitude, of similar technology among our ancient people.
However, He also taught, and it's pretty much verified, that that wisdom, that technology has pretty much been buried until the coming of God.
And it's these type of truths the Honorable Elijah Muhammad shared that we see evident, because you'll notice that all of those ancient civilizations that actually had flight technology, we don't see them anymore.
Something happened.
So many of the relics that we see and some of the artistic descriptions that have been shown in hieroglyphs and mentioned in the Bible, many of these were things from the past, but also in the Bible, much of what we hear and read about these are prophetic images.
This New Jerusalem, this Ezekiel's wheel, In the scriptures, it gives us prophetic images of what's to come.
And also, you know, we can't always take these religious writings as actual history.
There's a difference between prophecy and history.
That's why they're called prophetic texts offered to us by the prophets because they were able to see things in advance And speak on those visions and visages that they had.
Okay, now, yeah, I appreciate that.
Now, what about abductions?
Are you aware of abductions, and how do you classify those?
Well, certainly there have been people who had encounters with these wills and the persons thereof, and there are people who have been abducted.
And this is where we start to get into a lot of the Case-by-case scenarios, because we know that there have been some people, just some crackpots, but there are also some very credible people who have had encounters and abductions from these crafts.
Many of them have actually been notable people.
International diplomats.
One that comes to mind is the case of President Kyrgyzstan Ilyamzanoff.
Who was the president of Kalmykia, which was a Buddhist Republic in Russia.
It was part of the Russian government.
And back in 1997, this was a head of state who, from his high-rise Moscow apartment building, was literally abducted by the people on one of these wheels.
And he came forth with it.
He told the public about it.
Somehow it didn't reach much of the Western media because, again, we understand that there is a worldwide UFO cover-up.
So he gave very vivid descriptions as to what took place and very credible.
In fact, the larger Russian government, when they were investigating his claims, They were not even too concerned about whether or not he was actually abducted by UFOs.
They really didn't even question the authenticity of his claim.
They were more concerned with whether or not he, as a head of state, divulged private government information with the people on that wheel.
So this is just one of those many credible cases that Goals unnoticed, but needless to say, we do recognize that there have been abductions and major encounters.
Okay, now, but you deny the notion that almost, I don't know what the percentage would be, but something like 90% of the people that are abducted do talk about having various medical procedures happen to them, which we might call genetic engineering.
And the other thing is they are also seeing greys perform a lot of these tasks.
So you do not believe that greys are performing these tasks?
You don't believe greys exist?
Is that correct or do you have a different point of view?
I just don't see any evidence that truly substantiated.
Now what could be is that I've noticed that there have been several cases where they describe people in grey outfits.
Great uniforms, but the medical procedures that have taken place, I do think there's a lot of credibility to that.
Because remember, Elijah Muhammad described these who operate these crafts as scientists.
These angels are scientists.
And as scientists, they do perform medical and scientific procedures.
I think you may recall the Barney and Betty Hill incident.
And even they, too, describe people as having what seemed to be some type of mask or a helmet or gray outfits on.
And again, a lot of that becomes so interpretive.
And I don't see what any gray type being, what relevance they would have to an earth that has been corrupted by humans.
I mean, it could be.
It's just I don't see...
Too much evidence to support that.
Okay.
Well, that's very interesting.
So, in terms of what you think, and we've been going for a while and I appreciate your time here, and what I'd like to do is also open it up to our chat room that is alongside this, going quite strong.
And we can perhaps allow some people to ask you questions if you're willing.
But before we do that, I'd like to find out if you have anything that you would like to say in terms of where you think this is headed.
In other words, where do you think this idea of these wheels and the way you describe God as being like a human is?
Where do you think all of this is headed or where does your, whether it's Farrakhan, Minister Farrakhan or others, where do they think it's going?
I think the prophecies already give us some very vivid descriptions as to the purpose of God's heavenly vessels.
Part of it, as we mentioned, represents the healing, represents Supreme intelligence, supreme peace that will eventually usher in a new world of peace and happiness.
However, prior to the ushering in of this peaceful world that this New Jerusalem represents, there has to be a fall of the current satanic world paradigm that is corrupted by greed, lust, and just an inordinate self-interest and racism and Sexism.
This has become the current world paradigm, and certainly a world of peace cannot coexist with such a paradigm.
So the scriptures and the God who operates this wheel and the smaller wheels has shown his power to the powers of this world just to let them know that there is a power far greater than Than the militaries, than the intelligence and the technology of this world.
The question is, how will the leaders of this world respond to this intelligence that they know exists?
And what's different from those in high levels of power and the average people like us, maybe, is that those in high echelons of government and military intelligence, they are very well aware of the connection that these planes have to Minister Farrakhan, to Elijah Muhammad, to the Nation of Islam.
This is why they arrested him and made this topic above top secret in the first place.
So it's all based on how the world leaders respond and based on how they are antagonizing the man that represents these planes, the Honorable Minister Farrakhan, I don't think that they have a pretty good future ahead of them unless they take heed to truth and establish justice in this earth.
Okay.
Now, do you think, are you aware of what we call the secret space program that we've reverse engineered various craft, et cetera?
Are you aware of that?
Yes, yes.
And if you get a chance, I would encourage you to listen to a series by the Honorable Minister Farrakhan called The Time and What Must Be Done, particularly episodes, I think 51 or 52 through 58.
During these episodes, he deals heavily with this phenomenon, and he refers to God's wills as somewhat of a calling card.
Because God has allowed some of the technology of these wheels to fall into the hands of world leaders, really as a test to see how they will respond to this technology.
Will they use the technology that he's given them for good, or will they use it to continue their evil and bloodshed as they have continued to do?
And this is congruent with what we read in the sacred text, where God is Always seems to show his power really to the evil leaders, just to give them a chance to see if they will act right.
And most of the time, just like Pharaoh, just like Herod, just like most of the evil kings and rulers in the days of old, even though they saw the power of God, most of the time they still went ahead in their evil, which warranted the destruction of that nation.
This is what the Honorable Minister Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam and those wheels represent.
Okay, so you don't think, you know, my perspective is quite different than yours, obviously, and I actually think that they are, a lot of the beings on there are grays and are reptilians and that they are here to subjugate humanity, that they are basically stealing our energy from our glands, et cetera, and that they are up to no good in essence.
So anything but the workings of God.
But there are various other kinds of craft, and there are, I'm sure, some decent beings that ride on UFOs that are what we might call good.
although I would never refer to them as gods.
But, you know, in other words, you are assuming, you said that this so-called god is both destructive and healing or creative.
And so you're seeing kind of both sides of that, to some degree, it would sound.
But in other words, are you just taking this because you've been taught it in a school growing up?
Or why do you believe it?
Is it because you believe the science and you don't believe that ETs, for example, we might say ETs are Just as handy with PR as the conventional humans, you know, in putting out a so-called good image of themselves when, in fact, they have a diabolical agenda.
So, any thoughts on those statements?
Thank you, thank you.
Well, if we notice, the reason, there are several reasons I subscribe to the Nation of Islam's position.
One, Growing up in somewhat of a religious household, I didn't grow up in an Islamic household, but I grew up in a very spiritual, evangelical household, and my familiarity with the scriptures always let me know that the God and His divine angels are the ones who mostly operate from these heavenly vehicles, not the evil ones, per se.
So it's interesting how Many of the theories have arisen that attribute these heavenly moving objects to a demonic type of vehicle.
That's certainly not congruent with the scriptures or the prophecies.
In fact, what the Nation of Islam teaches is very, very congruent with what these sacred texts offer.
And not only that, but again, even if we didn't deal with any scriptures or religion whatsoever, The fact that Elijah Muhammad brought definitive details about these crafts and still remains the only one to offer very definitive details about these crafts,
their occupants, their purposes, where they were made, even some degree of how they were constructed, to some degree, and the type of steel and technology and capabilities associated with these planes.
And everything that he has taught has been verified in the world after he came and made his inaugural teaching on this.
My subscription to this belief is not really even based on just something that I believe from a religious perspective, but it's actually based on more empirical type of knowledge.
Okay, so actually, you know, there's been a great deal of work done in reverse engineering UFOs, and I don't know if you are aware of Of the Nazis, but they were very much involved in all of that and, in fact, had a race of beings that taught them how to build them, etc.
There's also a person that I interviewed called William Tompkins.
I don't know if you've ever heard my interview with him, but he's quite an interesting man who grew up working in what we call the secret space program and contends that Nordic beings, and perhaps you've heard of these beings, We have basically been helping what we call the secret space program in reverse engineering, various craft, and learning the technologies, etc.
So this is known and this is done in many walks of life and having to do specifically with what we call a secret government, secret technology that they have access to, and so on.
So I don't know if we're talking about the 1930s, but I do know that the Nazis were also dealing with UFOs back in the 1930s and coming forward into the 40s, etc.
So it does seem as though there was a sort of a synchronicity with what Elijah Muhammad was coming across.
Now, do you think, well, actually, where is Elijah Muhammad, where was he exposed to what we call UFOs or the circular wheel craft?
What part of the world?
This was actually right here in America, in Detroit, shortly after his meeting and being taught by Master Farad Muhammad.
It was in the Detroit area, Not too long after his initial meeting with Master Fadar Muhammad, where he began teaching Elijah Muhammad these things, some of the mysteries of the world.
And it was perhaps as early as 31 that Master Fadar Muhammad literally summoned and pointed out to Elijah Muhammad this dreadful looking plane, a huge wheel, about a half a mile by half a mile.
Made like a wheel, again, in fulfillment of those prophetic scriptures.
And he taught about the accompanying 1500 smaller wheel-shaped crafts.
These are likely some of the ones that are referred to as flying saucers and UFOs and what have you, that fly at phenomenal speeds, that have just tremendous maneuverability.
And again, these scientists Who operate these wheels?
They have the ability to, as Elijah Muhammad calls it, to tune in.
Or as we would probably call it, telepathy and telekinesis.
They have a certain technology that they are very capable of where they can actually cause people to think they're seeing something that might not even be there.
They have a lot of this mental power that Because, again, these are people who have been taught at the behest of the Supreme Being.
And you'll find that many of the notable cases of abductions and encounters have described being put in somewhat of a trance and suspended animation where it seems like time has stopped.
And what not.
And these are the exact descriptors that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad gave of their capabilities.
And we see that it's been verified in many of the notable encounters.
Right.
Okay.
So like I said, I'm going to look in the chat.
Is that all right if people ask you questions?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
All right.
So just letting the people in the chat know that if they put their questions in all caps, I can find them more easily.
Let's see.
Somebody...
That question is not really clear.
Okay, somebody's mentioning grays and what we call implants.
Do you have any thoughts on those?
Again, these are scientists, and it is very likely that these scientists who control these wheels have performed types of experiments which may very well Involve implants and several other procedures.
So it could be very likely.
All right.
Now, you're assuming that this is positive.
Is that correct?
It could be.
Now, again, scientists don't think like your average layman.
In fact, scientists don't necessarily think like just people, especially these type of scientists.
So they follow a totally different code.
I would imagine that whatever they do of these scientific procedures does lead to an ultimate good.
Minister Farrakhan teaches that what we see on the wheel, that they are literally creating a whole new world, creating new creatures even, you know?
So it's very likely that some of the DNA Some of the qualities and genetic traits of different types of people from this earth are being taken and switched out.
So it's very likely.
And I do think that it is for an ultimate good.
I see.
And how do you feel about the word jinn?
You know, a lot of Muslims refer to these beings as jinn.
Jinn is mentioned in the Holy Quran as being Like a race, but it also can refer to certain characteristics of man as well.
I do know that some look at them as being some demonic beings or things like that.
But again, the scriptures use a lot of symbolism and a lot of words and things that can easily be interpreted.
So the way that we try to elucidate those things from scripture is that We have to find some real-world empirical evidence that supports some of these things in the Scriptures that require some interpretation.
Okay.
But in terms of a real-world God, what are you looking for to support that?
In other words, are you saying that that person is Jesus?
Or are you saying, or Buddha?
Or, you know, in other words, do you see Mohammed and God is one of the same?
Or do you see him as being a messenger from the so-called God and this person being a...
In other words, you know, what evidence are you looking at that he does good, for example?
Muhammad is simply a messenger, of course, and Muhammad never even would dare put himself on equal with God.
However, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, as we stated earlier, we recognize that he literally solved the mysteries of God.
God who has many, many different names by From different parts of the world.
And one of the evidences that Elijah Muhammad encountered the supreme being, that he encountered this God, is that he left some degree of proof as shown in these wheels that have been manifest in the world as a sign of his power.
Let me direct you to October of 1989, when Minister Farrakhan, again, this considered a controversial figure, Minister Farrakhan held an international press conference before the world.
All of your major networks were there.
And in this press conference, he ended it very powerfully by, again, Acknowledging his direct connection to these wheels that the world calls UFOs, and he put forth a challenge to the world that if they want to mock him for his association with these wheels, that they would begin to see these wheels over the major cities of America.
This was his great announcement press conference in October of 1989 in Washington, D.C., Would you know it?
That right after his press conference, that same night and the following days, right there in the D.C. area, there were constant reports, and they had to run it on the news for several days straight, of countless sightings of strange circular UFOs that were over the skies of Washington and Baltimore.
And interestingly, None of the reporters and journalists covering the subject made any reference to Minister Farrakhan, who had just warned the world about these the following day.
Now, this is that type of empirical evidence that I'm talking about that don't even require interpretation.
These are things caught on film.
It struck really a national, especially a regional concern in that D.C. area on the East Coast.
This is the power that Minister Farrakhan boasts that backed him.
Actually, I mean, I appreciate that.
Now, there are lots of people that predict UFO sightings and are accurate because you talk about the telepathy of the greys or the humans that you think occupy them.
So basically they're in communication and being in communication with these beings is very, very common and sightings are very, very common.
In fact, they're so common it's crazy.
Now, I don't know if you use night vision goggles or any of that sort of thing, because some people have trouble seeing these craft with their naked eye, but I see them all the time.
All you have to do is go out at night and watch them.
So this is a very common occurrence.
Now, be mindful.
Be mindful.
As well as these are common occurrences for people to see and things like that.
We don't find where it's common where There's the public notoriety of a man like Minister Farrakhan.
And certainly people, there's not a common thing for people to live under the type of scrutiny and surveillance and attacks as Minister Farrakhan.
So for a man who is hated by the government, hated by very powerful entities within and outside of government, notably certain members of the Zionist Jewish community who real tremendous influence over various industries, who are diametrically notably certain members of the Zionist Jewish community who real tremendous influence over various industries, who are diametrically opposed to Minister Farrakhan and criticize him and
For a man of his caliber to make an international press conference where he warns the world about these wheels and what they can and will do only to be followed by a national outcry and sightings of these wheels right there in the city and area where he was talking about.
We don't find that happening as a common occurrence.
Maybe little Joe over there, you know, in the country or down the street may see some sightings, may record it and things like that.
But something of this caliber, we don't find that.
Are you talking about, well, wait, but you're not talking about the Phoenix Lights.
No, no, no.
I'm not talking about the Phoenix Lights.
This is something.
And again, this is covered up.
And fortunately, we still have some of the news footage and the footage of these wheels.
And we certainly have the press conference that Minister Farrakhan gave.
This is one of numerous examples.
Yeah, I know.
I appreciate that.
And I think it's very brave of him to go forward and state his belief and his understanding and his contact.
With these beings, this, in my world, of course, I'm in Project Camelot, is very common.
And, you know, it does take courage to go forward in that way.
And certainly being a public figure, such as he is, that too would take courage for him to come forward the way he did.
And I have to say, though, in my view, being able to predict some of these sightings is like a dubious sort of value in terms of it.
Stephen Greer likes to claim that he does this as well.
I do not think that this is a positive thing, but I appreciate where, you know, Minister Farrakhan is coming from.
Now, I do want to ask you a question, you know, a couple questions from the chat.
And I think you've been very, you know, eloquent in your conversation.
Explanations and dealing with all my questions, so I want to thank you for that.
Thank you.
Yes, and so there is a person here that wants to know if you know about the story of Yakub.
I believe that's how you say it.
I think he's referring to Yakub.
I'm familiar with the story of Yakub.
Yakub really is just an Arabic pronunciation, a Semitic pronunciation of the name Jacob.
And The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught of the origin of the various races of man, and he taught and science verifies that the original people of this earth were the darker people, black people, and all other races eventually derived from black people, Mother Africa.
So the Honorable Elijah Muhammad also described some of the process that actually sped up Into the development of what we know as the Caucasian race, a process of grafting a type of selective breeding.
And this Yaku name was pretty much the central figure behind that process.
So yes, I'm very familiar with the story of Yaku.
Okay.
Now, that's interesting.
My understanding is that the races actually came from off-planet and it is possible, you know, we can't say where the exact origins of all the different races come from, but I don't believe they necessarily come from each other as far as I understand it.
But, you know, I appreciate that what you are saying is that they do.
There are a lot of philosophies and even scientists who believe humans come from, you know, Neanderthal, etc., etc.
And I don't prescribe to that philosophy personally.
I think they're actually quite misled about that.
But we, in essence, come from the stars, in my view.
Now, somebody is asking me about Credo Mutwa, and I wonder if you're familiar with him.
He's an African man.
I am not.
He's a chief.
I think you might call him a chief, a tribal chief.
I believe he is.
And I don't know him all that well.
I've never interviewed him, but David Icke interviewed him.
And some other people have met with him, etc.
He's in Africa and he deals with the reptilian race and his exposure to that.
So that was a question someone had.
Now, let's see.
I'm trying to see if there's any other questions here that we can run by you.
What do Muslims think of the Nordic aliens?
Is a question.
What do Muslims think of the Nordic aliens?
I don't know of any.
I don't know of any.
Okay, but other Muslims, are there any Muslims that have spoken about or had encounters with what we call the Nordics, which would be, in essence, the tall blonde race that there have been many sightings of and documented, you know, many people talking about that.
Certainly in the early 50s, there was specific individuals that claimed to be from Venus, as it happens, that turned out they were actually from what's called the Pleiades.
And that there is, you know, this is just a certain kind of a race that is documented by people's sightings.
It's a very common one of the various races people encounter.
So you've never...
Have you heard of that?
I have heard of some of that.
And I have come across...
Some of those theories, again, of the Palladians, I think it's called, and I recall seeing some pictures of what is believed to be these type of people that I think you described as blonde-haired often, but in terms of Knowing one, seeing one, and all this type of stuff.
Now, I've seen a lot of white people with blonde hair.
No, this is specifically, you know, is talking about a relatively tall being, again, apparently having come in a spaceship from another place, another planet.
This is how they document it.
This is how they describe it.
But, in other words, not speaking for yourself, but speaking for the, I don't know if one can do that, really, but in general, do you think Muslims or, you know, maybe Islam would be a little more, the Nation of Islam is really distinctive from Islam in general, because the Nation of Islam isn't that a sort of separate entity or sect?
Well, the Nation of Islam is distinguished from Arabs, you know.
We are Muslims like any other Muslims.
It's just that we have the unique qualities of being comprised largely of black people who've come up in America under the struggles and tyranny of America and have been empowered by Islam.
So naturally our expression of Islam will vastly differ from those in say the Arab world who may follow Islam but more so may follow Arab traditions that are not necessarily Islam and many people get those confused Arab traditions and Arab culture is not necessarily Islam so because we are not Arabs and we don't follow Arab culture many
would think that oh y'all are different yeah we are different but we are Muslims nonetheless And I don't think most Muslims in the vast, broader Muslim world, nor in the Nation of Islam, would necessarily hold a lot of belief in,
say, the Nordic aliens, per se, maybe because they haven't heard of them, but perhaps it may not necessarily be congruent with Their interpretation of Qur'an.
So it's a large number of reasons, but I don't think most Muslims Subscribe to these Nordic aliens, I believe.
Alright, fair enough.
Now, someone, this is going to be my last question because I think we've been going for a while here and I really do appreciate it.
Thank you.
The person in chat wants to know, do you think official disclosure is due and if so, when do you think it might happen?
Yes, yes, yes.
And this is where the Nation of Islam and all of those Groups and persons who know that this government deserves and needs to disclose what they know about UFOs.
And I know that several groups have been trying and pressing government agencies to do this, but I, on behalf of the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan, want to let you and all those groups know That you have an ally in the Nation of Islam in that regard.
We will do not mind using our voice and our strength to challenge and petition government agencies to disclose what they know about the UFO phenomenon.
Now, we already have a really good idea why they really don't want to disclose it.
However, we would be foremost in that fight So we would join with any groups, whether or not they subscribe to our exact belief or not.
It doesn't matter.
The fact is, the American people, the people of the world deserve to know the truth.
And since government knows the truth, Certain things, certain agencies of government know some of this truth concerning UFOs.
We need to press them to open up these files and free the American people to the truth.
Okay, very nice.
Alright, thank you very much.
I want to thank you for coming on the show.
It's been a lot of fun and very interesting.
And I do appreciate, yes, let's hold up your book and also tell us any links, you know, where people can find your information.
I have put it on ProjectHamlet.tv, but maybe I don't have all your information.
So can you please, and also if people want to write to you, if you have an email address, okay?
Great, great.
Of course, our book on this topic is UFOs and the Nation of Islam, the Source Proof and Reality of the Wheels.
This book is available on Amazon.
Of course, you can always go to our website at nationbrothers.com, nationbrothers.com.
You can follow us on Twitter.
You can follow me with the handle Ilya Rashad.
That's I-L-I-A-R-A-S-H-A-D on Twitter and Instagram for that matter.
And hopefully we can really continue this dialogue.
I thank you tremendously.
You don't know that you have really broken the mold because it is very difficult to even get groups, scholarly groups, to even just have a discussion with us.
There's so much apprehension for whatever reason.
So I do credit you.
And your staff for this wonderful opportunity, and I certainly hope it won't be the last.
Okay, thank you so much.
And I would like to say that I would be happy to talk to Minister Farrakhan about his experiences and what he wants to say about this as well.
And I guess you might be his spokesperson, but just wanted to Extend that, you know, that I did meet him sort of in a crowded situation.
I don't know if I shook his hand or anything like that, but he was there and I did see him.
So, you know, you obviously have your point of view and your experience and you're a great spokesperson, no doubt.
But I think he's an interesting man.
So happy to have him on the show if he ever would like to do that.
Great, great.
Thank you again.
All right.
Alright, so you take care and have a great night.
Okay.
So, a very, very interesting show and a lot of fun as well.
Fascinating to see what a certain group is seeing about the UFO situation.
And, you know, there's a lot of different perspectives on the various ETs that are in the craft, et cetera, as you can appreciate.
And many people in our sort of sector are not necessarily in agreement on who the beings are, whether they're positive or negative, et cetera.
So this is always interesting discussion and to hear different people's points of view.
I do want to say that the Bob Lazar movie is premiering in Los Angeles.
And I think that premiere is on Monday, December 3rd.
I'm going to be there with my partner who has been working with Camelot now for five years, Neil Anthony Sanford and...
And so we will be there.
And I'm sure there are going to be a lot of people.
I know Bob Lazar is going to be showing up along with the filmmaker, etc.
So that should be very interesting and looking forward to it.
That's a disclosure event.
So for what it's worth, this is where things are going.
So, take care and have a great night.
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