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Sept. 3, 2018 - Project Camelot
01:25:38
DR. MICEAL LEDWITH : VATICAN REBEL SAVING JESUS
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Thank you.
Thank you.
But I just wanted to say that today was a very unique opportunity, right?
And so what we want to do is take advantage of an opportunity like that.
Look, we need all the help we can get, and we can get some young people who are actually standing there, they're not walking away, they're actually listening.
So I wanted to make sure they understood that they had a man from, you know, who'd been on Mars, for God's sake, on that stage.
Hope Vanavet is still alive.
He's still alive.
That's wonderful.
But isn't he a rap singer?
Yes.
Isn't, wasn't he, is he the one, is the one now who's from Argentina?
Where was Ratzinger from?
Ratzinger was from the area.
I see, but wasn't he also maybe a former Nazi?
Well, I never knew that.
His father was a policeman.
Right.
He has, there were three in the family, his elder brother Georg, a good friend of mine as well, and his Well, speaking of where the bodies are buried...
Karen, have you talked to Leo Zagami before?
I'm assuming you have.
Oh, I interviewed him, yeah.
I'm wondering if he has any knowledge or thoughts about Leo Zagami, if that comes along.
Okay.
Are you going to be able to talk about the current pope?
Not much.
I met him in Argentina in 1986.
And I studied in Ireland for a year.
And you know this book that's been published about him there recently, The Dictator Pope?
Oh, no, I hadn't heard that.
That's interesting.
Thank you.
Okay, well, you didn't say anything about your book coming out.
Oh, we'll say that.
I'm sorry, Kara.
I always do exactly what she tells me.
She said to mention that my book, Saving Jesus, has just been published.
Somebody had to save him, so I guess he was a little weary doing it for everyone else, so I'm returning the favor.
In an unobtrusive way.
I'm going to be interviewed by Kerry now after our panel is over if we survive.
We'll take it from there.
And actually I'm offering this, I don't know what the situation is with the stage, but we could do the interview here live on stage.
We won't keep you longer than an hour because everyone wants to eat dinner and whatnot, and I know this has been going on all weekend.
I'm an investigative reporter, documentary filmmaker, and I worked in Hollywood for 20 years.
I've also studied acting and been a producer, so I know the ropes, you might say, and that's why I was encouraging him to say his book was out and so on and so forth.
Because he's actually sort of rebelling against the Catholic Church, if you want to call it that, and the Vatican.
And that's the big guns, okay?
So you've got to be a very brave individual to stand up to that.
So can we give him a hand?
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I am very pleased today to be here with Michal, who led with Michal.
Yes.
Michal Ledwith.
I'm learning Irish here.
And with a name like Carrie on Cassidy, I better learn a little Irish, I think.
But at any rate, it's great to be here.
And, you know, any enemy of the Vatican is a friend of mine.
I know this is not going to be politically correct, but what the hell, we can't really.
Please everyone.
We don't do a lot in fast gear.
Right.
Please everyone?
No.
It's too expensive.
Yeah.
So you've got to please yourself.
And maybe a few friends.
And so I want to say that he's written a very fascinating book, I'm told.
I haven't had a chance to read it, but he's just given me an autographed copy.
It's called Saving Jesus.
And it's got a lion and a lamb on it, by the way.
Which I said, well, you know, Blake...
You know, William Blake, the famous poet?
And he said, yes, he did.
But he also said that he thinks Jesus is depicted as the lion and the lamb?
Okay, fair enough.
I like that.
I like that analogy.
And I love lions.
I'm very partial to lions.
But William Blake, in case you know, said that the lion shall not lay down with the lamb.
And the reason he said that, I think a lot of people don't understand it.
But the idea there is actually that we do need conflict.
We do need to stand up for what's right.
That there is, in this world that we live in, of basically the third dimension going into the fourth, there is good and evil.
And we need to acknowledge that.
There is a yin-yang to the universe.
And to mar those two is actually not to really understand what's at stake here.
So I think William Blake was a brilliant man.
And he was often, I believe, at odds with the church.
So you're in good company.
We're at this amazing Yom Festival.
UFO Festival and Symposium.
And we're at the last hours.
And we're keeping the crew late.
And they're a real trooper.
And we really appreciate that.
But I will say that we were on stage to sort of be at the festival end in the middle of the arena over there and we had all of a sudden we had an audience that we hadn't had the whole weekend of young people who were there to hear a band but they ended up...from the speakers of the conference,
very briefly however, but nonetheless, enough time for us to say some history-making remarks.
Do you mind just to slow down just a minute?
Oh, sure.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What, did I spend 17 years, 3 months, 14 days on Mars?
Even louder than that.
You guys out there, this man has been on Mars.
It doesn't work.
Hello?
Oh, great.
Okay, this man has been on Mars.
He worked there for 17 years.
Okay?
This is a Marine.
Stand up.
This is a real Marine.
He's been on Mars.
Alright?
He's been working for the secret space program protecting your asses.
Alright?
Let's give him a hand.
He dedicated his life to protecting humanity up on Mars.
That's what he's done.
I know it's hard to believe.
You hear Trump talk about a Space Force.
He is working for the Space Force.
It already exists.
Trump just is trying to break the news to you all out there, the ones that have no idea whatsoever.
That we have a base, actually several of them, on the moon and Mars.
And he has been working on Mars battling aliens.
Are you ready for that?
Battling aliens.
Insectoids.
Alright?
And reptilians.
In order to keep you safe.
Alright?
So thank you.
I just wanted to make that very clear.
I'm sure.
Thank you.
I was able to say this to this group of young people.
And unlike what Jack Nicholson says, I believe you can handle the truth.
And I believe they can handle the truth.
So that was a very unique situation.
What I want to do, how I want to start it is, you know, I don't know a whole lot about you.
I tried to, you know, go back to my place really quickly and read a little bit about you.
but you were here and I had heard your name and then someone told me what you were going to talk about and I got the tail end of your speech here but I really was fascinated so what I'd like for you to do here is to actually introduce yourself And tell us who you are.
And why there was such a...
Why the Vatican decided to...
I don't know if they...
You're a priest.
So did they do what they call defrock you?
Is that correct?
That's a mild expression.
It's mild?
Yeah, it's mild.
Alright.
So take it away.
Who are you?
Well, my name is Michal Ledwith.
I was saying to Kerry earlier that my given name was Michael originally and after three weeks my parents changed my name because I had a grandfather Michael Two Uncle Michaels and three First Cousins Michael.
So it was a problem of communication.
So they switched to the Irish version of the name Michael, Michal, which is what I've had ever since and has caused me endless problems with passports and driver's licenses and things like that.
But anyway, I was a Catholic priest.
I became a professor of theology.
I was just remembering when David Adair was talking about his visit to Groom Lake on the 20th of June, 1971.
That was the day I defended my first doctorate thesis.
It was a big day in my life, as it was in his, very differently.
So I was a professor of theology, a lecturer first, then a professor.
Then I was dean of the faculty and then I became president of the University of Manu.
And we have a ten-year term.
No matter if you're Jesus Christ, you have to retire after ten years in Ireland.
And so then I had found the Rameth School of Ancient Wisdom.
With some friends of mine.
And I came out here.
I thought I should spend my time maybe more profitably here during the two years that I was taking off.
And in the meantime, of course, the Vatican heard that I had joined the Ranta School.
So the current Pope at the time, Joseph Ratzinger, Benedict XV, He said, communicated to me that the person who had held the positions I had held in the church, I was a prelate of the papal household,
I was a member of the International Theological Commission, which is I was a member of the Pope on theological matters.
I was a member of that for 17 years.
And I was chairman of the commission three times.
Anyway, Pope Benedict said that given the positions I had held in the church, that running away to join a cult, which was the phrase used several times, had caused enormous scandal.
And that I would have to do public penance for coming around the school and try and repair the damage that I had done.
And that if I did not do that, that he would cancel out my priesthood.
My reply was that, you know, according to your own doctrine, the priesthood is eternal.
Greatest respect.
You have no power to do that.
That's the one thing to say to Pope Benedict.
That's why I said it.
And I said, you know what?
You, as Pope, claim to be the successor of St.
Peter.
You are not the successor of Jesus of Nazareth.
What that means, translated, is that you obey the rules like everyone else.
Anyway, that was where we parted.
So I was, quote-unquote, laicized as a heretic of the worst kind, and I continued on my merry way here.
So what I want you to do is explain a little more about why the Pope, and it was Benedict, is that correct, has such a big problem with Romtha, And you know, I'm here in Yelm and I'm meeting a lot of people that have been studying with Ramtha.
And I've seen some of the Jay-Z Knight doing, you know, with Ramtha, doing her thing on video.
And I was always very impressed with her.
I thought she handled herself very well, that the information coming through rang true.
And so, you know, I'm very interested.
What was the problem the Pope had with Ramtha?
Oh, that's above my pay grade.
I'll just say that I came to the ramp of the school, I had been a professor of systematic theology, I had been a dean of the faculty of theology, and I was president of the university, not just the theological university, a regular civil university.
And some friends of mine whom I They said that they thought I should come and hear something that was going on here in this part of the woods.
The only time I was ever in this area was once when Intel were opening up a European branch and they were considering Ireland as one of several possible sites in Europe for their main factory.
So I was in Los Angeles on regular business and I decided to go into the unknown to book a flight to Portland where I'd never been before and I went out to the Intel factory with an appointment to see the head and I talked to him about the potential of putting their European It's on the front gate of our college.
Anyway, to make a long story short, they did do that.
And a lot of the other companies joined them.
And for a while, Ireland was the, what do you call it?
The micro capital of Europe, because all those companies joined Intel there.
So that was the first time that I was ever up here.
So it was terra incognita for me to come to Yelm, but I came to Yelm.
And I suppose I was probably, Ranthas said to me one time, the last person in the world that should have come to his school.
And one of the things that struck me in the beginning was that Ranthas said that the Of course, me as a former professor of theology, etc., I couldn't see the slightest resemblance between them at that point.
Some, obviously, but not very much.
But as the years went by, I began to see the absolute truth of what he had said.
Because I realized that the mission of Jesus, which as I'm saying this morning, was decided upon by certain enlightened beings to try to remedy the disastrous state of affairs that the world was in 2,000 years ago in another six years.
To try to remedy that situation.
And they were trying to teach the human race how to access the power that we all have within us.
And of course then as the thing unfolded I began to see the absolute truth of what Ramtha had said.
That the teachings of Jesus were identical to the teachings of Ramtha.
If you skip over all of the accretions that have crept in, in the interim.
Now Jesus, as you know, was arrested practically on the eve of Passover.
And the central act of the festival of Passover, then and now, when there was a temple, was the sacrifice of a sacrificial lamb on the altar of the temple.
And the blood of the lamb flowing down the rock of the altar was supposed to wash our sins away in the sight of Jehovah.
So it was, I suppose, inevitable that Jesus would have been drafted into that because he then became our suffering saviour who came here to die for our sins to appease the vengeance of a savage God.
Now I've often asked people, don't you think that that's an atheistic belief?
What kind of being would demand the sacrifice of death of their only son who is totally innocent?
This is the ultimate level of perversity.
Such a being could never be God In between, has built on and reinforced that.
Now, here's the problem.
I have studied a lot about the findings of neuroscience over the last 20 years, say, and they tell us that one of the major blocks that we have as humans are subconscious programs.
They tell us that we have actually three brains in the human person, the cranial brain, obviously, the heart brain, and the brain in the abdomen.
And that the heart brain, for example, is 5,000 times as strong magnetically as the cranial brain, and 100,000 times as strong.
Now, the neuroscientists tell us that what we do in this world is create, in the modern term, in the quantum field.
In other words, what's that mean?
It means that whatever I hold deeply and profoundly within me, I radiate out to the quantum field.
And the quantum field obliges by sending back more of the same to me.
And Jesus said, you know, you're all gods.
And when you pray, believe it's already yours and it shall be so, which is absolutely correct.
But what do we do when we pray?
Down here we have, say I'm trying to manifest fabulous wealth or something like that.
Down here I have the conviction, oh my God, how will I pay my mortgage next month?
You know, I have no money to do this or do that.
I am absolutely strangled for cash.
And I'm saying, I'm fabulously wealthy up here.
So I've got a hundred thousand times the strength going out to the quantum field from down here because these are the areas of subconscious mind.
Now there is no way to deal with subconscious programs by kicking them out, deciding their use Because programs in the subconscious are designed to protect themselves.
So if I decide to attack a program, it only makes it stronger.
So what is the technique, apparently?
The technique is to go back to the roots of where all our crumbling programs arose, examine the evidence, and make up our own minds whether the programs were justified by the evidence. and make up our own minds whether the programs were By the evidence.
In the case of Jesus, Give
me fabulous wealth.
Meanwhile, I'm saying that I'm a poverty-stricken, a hopeless creature, a worthless, sinful, and unworthy.
And of course, that's what's going on to the quantum field.
So prayer of that kind is something that should be absolutely avoided at all costs.
And it's the kind of prayer that most of the members of the religion in the Western world, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, Into something that does the exact opposite of what he intended.
In other words, his mission came to relieve that situation and we used his teachings, now worked, to create more of that situation.
Sometimes people ask me, when is the second coming of Jesus going to take place?
I say never.
Once was more than enough.
So anyway, I wrote the book to do that.
I wrote the book to do that.
I need one sentence more.
I wrote the book to do that.
What I did in the book was, remember I said, you can only deal with subconscious crippling programs by Then you will have laid the groundwork for those crippling programs to fade away.
That's why it is what it is.
Okay, thank you.
You know, that's wonderful to hear, but you didn't answer my question.
So, keep in mind that this is an interview, and you're obviously more than equipped to lecture and to give your sort of sermons.
Because I want to have a dialogue with you on these subjects.
So, and it's great that you did such a nice overview there and I appreciate all of that.
What I want to find out is you said that the key thing here is that the Pope had a huge problem with Romtha and with Romtha's school and that it's diametrically, it sounds like, opposed To basically the Pope's way, okay?
Not the way of Jesus, the true way of Jesus, as you'd call it, but certainly this kind of paradigm, in a sense, of weakness that the Catholic Church has promoted.
This also gets into the actual role of the Pope.
In other words, the Pope stepping in between the individual and God, or the Creator, right?
And so that you suddenly are not able to go directly to the Creator, which of course we can all do.
And so that makes you a lot more powerless.
You need to Petition the Pope.
You need to pray.
Also pray to Jesus, asking for something you lack.
So it's coming from a place of weakness, a place of lack, where in essence...
You believe that you don't have it.
It's kind of like the Tin Man who says that he doesn't have a heart, and then finds out.
He's given one, but it's actually, it's a placebo, right, in The Wizard of Oz, the story goes.
And so, basically, he had a heart the whole time, you know, or the lion.
I forget the exact thing.
But you know what I'm saying.
So I agree with you.
I understand what you're saying.
And I welcome that.
I am interested that you're so passionate about this.
So what I'm wondering now is I can see where the Pope would have an issue with you going in the direction that Ramtha is going.
In other words, the direction which means that you're going to empower people to come from within, right?
So, but why is it that you suddenly had, did you have an aha moment over this in your own inner world, in your own inner searching that sent you in the direction of Ramtha?
Was it, you know, through dialogue with J.C. Knight or Ramtha?
That this came about or had you already had doubts as to what you were part of and what it was promoting?
Well, it's something like a jigsaw puzzle and you're looking for the final piece and suddenly you get it and the whole thing is complete.
I had never talked to JC Knight before I came to the school.
I was very privileged to get to know Now, remember, I had been a professor of theology for a long time, and I had studied all of the sources that exist for years over it.
But sometimes you tend to interpret them all to fit the framework or paradigm that you have been taught is correct.
But when I went back to look at the sources afresh, I began to see that Jesus actually wasn't a suffering Savior, which He didn't come here to die on the cross for our sins.
He did the exact opposite.
and those two texts I quoted you earlier, you're all gods.
And when you want to manifest something, the essential thing is to believe with all of the three brains that it is already in place.
That's hypocrisy in the best sense of the word.
But that's the only way to manifest reality.
You have to imagine that it is already in place and then the quantum field will deliver that if there's no contradiction in you.
Okay, fair enough.
Now I would say, as I was actually saying earlier today, that That's not something you actually even need to imagine, but I appreciate the word choice.
What I would say is that you're already there.
So that, in essence, I was saying, you know, this road to enlightenment and this place that humans are in, in other words, we are spirits, souls, having a material existence in a vessel, okay?
That has come here to experience it in a sort of a linear way, but that time and space are not linear.
Time and space are actually one.
And all is one.
So, in essence, you can't sometimes be part of the Creator.
You have to always be part of the Creator.
So you're already connected.
You're already there, in essence.
You're already an enlightened being.
You see?
Then you're there.
It's simply in this linear sort of world that we're looking at, we're spreading it out in such a way that it looks like it exists over time.
That you go on a journey to get there.
But in essence, you're there already.
So, again, back to my question.
I still want to know, because you're living in this sort of linear world we're living in, and you're saying that you did have pieces that you brought together to lead you down this road.
I'm still curious at what point You've found yourself, you know, because it's an interesting dynamic one thinks about, whereas there may be other priests like you, other members, you know, nuns and so on, who have doubts about the things they've been taught and may want to rebel, may be not as courageous as you.
Maybe they haven't found a particular teaching that helps them along the way to put the pieces together, as you call it.
So I'm wondering, where was it that you first began to doubt or to pull apart this idea of acting from a place of weakness as opposed to a place of strength?
And the idea that Jesus...
You know, saying Jesus dies for your sins is an interesting statement because it implies that you're sinners.
And I've always thought that that was nonsense because...
Why would you be something negative from the minute you're born?
A tiny baby, right?
A person who's a wrong doer already, on the wrong end of the stick, so to speak, of karma or whatever you want to call it.
So I appreciate that you recognize that he didn't come to die for your sins, We'll have a whole discussion on that.
But again, I don't want to detract too much from my original question, which is, you know, you're on a quest and you end up at the door of rampa, the rampa teachings that kind of brings it together for you.
But at the same time there had to be something that sort of, if this were moving, we would say the inciting incident.
Thank you.
Well, as I said, you know, for many years I had been a theologian.
My business was to study all those sources and make them known.
And I had lots of doubts, as many people have in my position, but somehow the trick that happened when everything took shape hadn't occurred.
Because I couldn't get the whole all over pattern when everything suddenly makes sense.
And you see that the present position that's being farmed out to humble followers in each of these three religions is not the truth.
So there was no bleak, you know, one moment where it all suddenly happened.
This was something that had been going on for a very long time.
But what really struck me was the tragedy that when Jesus came here to teach a certain method of dealing with reality, because Jesus It's a force that comes down through the seven levels of frequency to this plane.
And if we want to have power, we have to be in that flow.
And Jesus gave endless advice to people.
Do good to those who hate you.
not those who persecuted you, etc.
They were just signposts to keep us on the path if we didn't know what the fundamental reason for it all was.
It was to try to keep us shepherded on the right road towards something.
And you know, I mentioned in my book that there have been about five or six great beings in human history To connect this to the Source and have that power.
I remember once going to visit Sai Baba at his ashram in White Gate outside Bangalore in India.
And one thing that I wanted to see with Sai Baba was him manifesting reality out of nothing.
I really wanted to see that.
So he walked around the arena.
There were a thousand people plus there that But as far away from me as you.
And he turned to me and gave a smile.
And he pulled out his arm and pulled up his sleeve to the shoulder and did this to me.
And then there was some suppliant in front of him with their hand out.
And he did this to me and turned his palm down and did that and the ash of the booty manifested into the palm of the person.
And then he turned to me and That's the kind of thing that you can do if you are in the flow of Agape.
In other words, Agape in the teaching of Jesus is about the physics of the universe, not about religion.
So when we're in the flow of the Creator, we can walk on water, heal the sick and raise the dead.
These are not miracles.
There are things which we would understand if we knew more about Which is not an old man with a beard in a cloud, but something much, much, much, much more profound.
So when I began to see that all of this teaching was leading to that, and when I could see other examples of entities who couldn't do pre-international things, say like Sai Baba, then I began to realize that, you know, the current Western Christian then I began to realize that, you know, the current Western Christian version of Jesus was seriously He was a much more magnificent being than that ever could manage to say.
Okay.
Okay.
Now, I would say you're using this word, I think you said in the Greek form.
I wonder if it's the same word as agape.
Okay, so my understanding of agape is to stay always open.
and it has to do with allowance, to allow.
The greatest gift that you can give someone else is to be, stay open, for your heart to always be open.
In other words, never closing your heart off to someone else or to the world.
And so, I think it's a very beautiful word That's the Spanish word, agape.
And you're saying it's also Greek.
I mean, these are Latin languages.
They're linked by a similar thing.
Being a Californian, I learned from this angle.
That's a wonderful concept.
You know, it is interesting that you want to, you know, what you've written, your title here, because you're saying saving Jesus.
And I get the impression that what you're trying to do, if I understand it correctly, is save his teachings.
Okay?
And so, in doing so, you've written a book.
Now, in what way is your book Yes.
Well, as I said, our main issue here is that when we're living in this kind of world, what I broadcast out to the world around me in terms of physics And I will never realize that the fault for
that and the remedy for it lies here, not somewhere out there, blaming the soul.
So when I say that Jesus gave us signposts to love your neighbor and not do this and not do that and do this and do that, he was just trying to keep us on the track when we're in the flow.
Have you ever tried to swim against a river?
So when we are doing all these awful things to people and being vengeful and selfish and horrendous, we're swimming against the flow of creation.
And Jesus is not giving us a list of things to do, to be nice people.
You know, I've loved someone today and I've given something to someone today, so that's number two.
And I build up a whole list of credits, which at the end of my life, God will reward me for.
That is not what he came to do.
He was just trying to prod us to stay on the turnaround and go with the flow of the river.
Because that is Agape.
That is the flow of what God is.
And Agape, as I said, has much more to do with physics than it has to do with religion.
It's a physics concept.
And if we stay in that path, which we do by avoiding all the things, and above all, when we get past all these rules of thumb that Jesus gave, and realize where the truth is, then we realize, for example, that if someone pisses me off, it's not worth it trying to teach them a lesson, because they don't deserve it.
I'm the only one that suffers in me.
It's not worthwhile doing any of these things, because the price is too high for me.
So I let it go, and I've created The way you're talking
to me now, to our audience, is that how you wrote your book?
In the same fashion?
Do you recall, in other words, do you describe your own journey?
Or do you just talk about concepts that you have gained along the journey?
Well, as I said, you know, our biggest problem are these critically negative programs that are buried in the subconscious mind.
They, in other words, are in the brain of the heart and the abdomen.
And they will outclass what we consciously say up here in the cranial brain any day.
So how do we get rid of these critically The only way,
as a scenario, to get rid of those I
had someone in Ireland send me a message that he didn't agree with my book, which was not a great surprise to me.
I said, please don't tell me you don't agree with my book.
I gave a reason for every single statement I have made in this book by quoting the most ancient sources close to the title of Jesus himself.
I said, don't tell me you don't agree with me.
Show me the reasons in the evidence why you don't agree with me.
And I listened to you.
Of course, I was pretty confident in saying that because I knew there were no reasons that he put a juice as I had looked at them all.
So the book is about addressing the crippling programs that all of us in the West certainly have.
And if we take...
I mean, this is not a quick read.
This is not something, you know, to do in an afternoon to pass the time.
This is a serious matter.
As I say in the book, this is not for dilettantes.
I don't care if you don't read it or not.
I'm not on a mission to convert anyone.
But I'm saying if anyone is interested, here's the situation, avail of it.
If you wish, I'd be absolutely thrilled if you do.
But I'm not a missionary.
Okay, so I can appreciate that.
But what I'm trying to get to the root of, and I think What I would be very interested to know, is certainly they can read your book after they walk away from this interview.
But what they won't know, and what it sounds like is not in your book, is how you got to the place you are today, right?
So, in other words, you went on a journey, you somehow seem to have connected With quantum physics.
And that seems to have brought some clarity.
You also connected with Ramtha.
So it's a path, right?
It's a journey.
And in your early years, you must have been driven to, in other words, I guess, become a priest and join the Catholic Church.
Correct?
And so there were certain decisions you must have made.
Were you, I mean, along this trajectory, Bloodlust, for example.
Bloodlust?
Lust, yes.
You know, the blood of Christ and all of that.
Oh, you're not talking about reptilian race now, are you?
Or are you talking about a mindset?
Well, you have to remember who you're talking to.
So, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Raja Kamala and what I It's the secret space program.
And for the most part, what they're dealing with is creating basically a humanity 3.0 and alien races, what we would call alien races, what are other beings from other planets, some of whom are here, and some of whom are doing what we call influencing the game.
And it may surprise you to know, I don't know, That the Vatican has a very large reptilian race of beings underneath the Vatican itself and that they are influencing goings-on at the Vatican and that the black pope is dealing with this and that this goes all the way back to pedophilia and to using the children for sex,
for Stealing energy from another being, so to speak, and so on.
So this has become rampant, as we know, in the Catholic Church, in high levels of society, and is becoming something of what you might even call an epidemic.
And it does have to do with the reptilian influence here on planet Earth.
So I don't know whether you've gone down those roads, This is sort of a completely other side of the spectrum which has to do with a current whistleblower I have and his name is Eddie Page and he is actually claiming to be a Pleiadian.
And he is saying that Jesus is his brother and that he came down here to do a job and that his father is the same father as his father.
in other words, Eddie's father, is the father of Jesus.
And that this individual is not the father of, as we call, the creator of all the worlds, but in essence is the leader of not even all the planets of the Pleiades, but a few of them.
So he's on the top, and he also goes by the name of Thor, and when visited the American president, lived in the United States for three years, many years ago.
Now, I'm packing a lot into a small space here, but what I'm kind of bringing you around to is whether or not, as a young man wanting to join the Catholic Church, you ever, and then having joined it, and having moved up through the ranks, and then having joined it, and having moved up through the ranks, it appears you did, and stayed there for quite a number of years, I don't know the
Did you become aware of the Black Pope, of the reptilian influence on the Church, and certainly any possibility of Jesus actually being what I'm calling a Pleiadian?
Well, you know, when Jesus incarnated 2,000 years ago, it was not his first incarnation on this earth.
His previous incarnation was Joshua, Moses' military commander.
So Jesus wasn't the son of the father, you know, who was lowered down in a lift fully formed and ready made to go.
No, he was a human being.
There would be no point in Jesus incarnating if he were a G-O-D, because then what kind of example would that be to encourage you and me?
So Jesus was a normal human being.
And he did have a human father, obviously.
But what Jesus became is the core of the matter.
Did he become God?
He did.
But you and I also can do that and that is what he intended.
And to come to the Reptilian Pope I have traversed, with all due respect, I mean if there were reptilians under the Vatican, I would be the first to want to know that and to go down there.
The city of the Vatican is only 640 acres.
I've been down in the bowels of the earth under the Vatican.
There's a second century in Acropolis.
There was We put the Pacifica there in the first place in the year 330.
I've been through all of that, Necropolis.
I'm entirely under the present basilica.
I've been in the Vatican secret archive.
I offered one time, I remember years ago, I met the official head of the archive that's a cardinal and then there's a man who does the actual day-to-day work.
So I met him once for lunch at the Campo dei Fiori and I said, you know, we've got to get this archive into some kind Five years later, it was traced back, and not all of it came back.
So if you go into the Vatican Secret Archive today, you'll find bundles and medieval manuscripts tied up, lying on the floor, lying on windows.
It's nothing but a prospect of utter chaos.
So when someone writes to the Vatican Secret Archive asking, is there such a book there?
The answer is usually no, because they don't know what's there.
They know Look, if you're willing, I will get a team of people ready who will have to know medieval Spanish, Italian and Latin and Greek, obviously, because those are the languages of the archive.
I'll get them together.
I will find the funding to do this project and then we'll be able to know what's in there for the first time.
It'll take a long time, I said, to do it, but it should be done.
It should be done long ago.
He said, "Okay, I was in Rome for a week." That's usually what I work with the Pope for the commission.
So I said, we'll meet again for lunch this week before I leave.
And he said, did you make any progress?
I said, yes, I have the funds, promised.
I said, I have five people who know those languages.
And he said, how long will it take?
The best estimate, I said, was I
mean, I would love to hear that there were And I appreciate that answer.
What I can say is that, first of all, they go interdimensional.
So we're talking about a being that has abilities to do some of the things we can't, or we don't think we can, but we actually can do that as well.
Now, I am wondering, it's interesting that you were down It's
too long.
It would take too long.
So in essence they didn't even start.
But keeping things hidden is sort of the order It's a way of operating and their power The aura of power and mysteriousness,
hidden power, is dissipated.
And suddenly it's like the man behind the curtain.
Again, back to the Wizard of Oz.
So we take away the curtain and it's just a little old man moving It's not accurate, in my opinion.
But, what I'm wondering here is, when you study with Ramtha, and Ramtha is a channeled being, right?
So I asked someone else this and they couldn't answer the question, maybe you can answer the question, because it is related to what I'm talking about here.
You know, our awareness is not terribly great.
Now, people that are being abducted, people that are having visitations constantly, will be more knowledgeable about the ways and means in which these beings can operate, in my opinion.
So, what I want to know is Ramtha, I'm told, is a Lemurian, meaning Ramtha comes from the past here on Earth.
I'm not sure the exact sort of lineage that it comes from the world of Lemuria, but it may actually go back to Mu, it may go back to, let's say, a certain constellation, maybe Lyra, I'm not sure.
Anyway, so my question to you is, do you know about beings from other planets and so on?
And are you aware of their presence here?
You may not be aware of the Vatican, of the reptilians under the Vatican, but are you going to be aware of these other beings?
And you certainly were dealing with at least one sort of channeled being on a regular basis through Ramtha.
So I'm wondering your thoughts on that.
Well, this morning in my talk, I spent most of the time talking about formation of torsion vortices in the field with orbs.
And I myself experienced major time shifts in those vortices.
I mean, this was over a period of five or six years.
I spent probably five hours on average every night photographing orbs.
Thank God for digital cameras.
And there are enormous shifts that can occur when you go into a torsion field at magnitude.
These fields would have been about 50 feet long, maybe 15 to 20 feet, and they were turning in an anti-clockwise direction with a fuzzy place at the end.
I was explaining this morning that these And I go into one of these vortices, the five hours became two.
I was lucky that I didn't go the other way, I'd have lost more sleep.
So I'm well aware of that.
And I was saying this morning that we have to clear in our minds that when we're talking about A much more important category of extraterrestrials are interdimensional.
They're above this level of existence entirely, and they travel through that kind of vortex.
And I was saying this morning that we have benefited greatly from both categories of extraterrestrials, and we also suffered greatly from both categories.
And the major suffering point I think that Ramtha was from Lepuria, which is roughly in this part of the world here, of course everything with the tectonic plate shifting, etc.
has changed enormously around this time, The major group that did most damage to us was the group that engineered our bodies, and that occurred about 255,000 years ago.
Apparently the scientist that engineered this blended her own DNA with the DNA of an existing creature, probably Homo erectus on this planet.
So they unfortunately produced us to be basically slaves, to do their work.
And I mention in the book that the ancestors of our race had contacts with extraterrestrials and those extraterrestrials had more than their fair share of human failings.
They got pissed off when we didn't do what they wanted and if we failed or anything they got angry.
We look down through our DNA right to our own time.
And that's the precise trend that wrecked the teaching of Jesus.
So our beginnings were far from ideal, especially in relation with the Anunna of Ki.
That was their name for this earth, Ki.
So the Anunna of Ki came here quite a long time ago, more than a half million years ago.
But they engineered And we have the movements that have grown up around the cult of Jehovah ever since, because he feeds off human fear, human insecurity, human unworthiness, etc.
All the negative aspects.
So there's a tremendous vested interest in the place of negative ETs, I hope that's not too blundering a synopsis of a very complicated matter.
No, it's quite interesting.
We probably use different names and different sort of information along those lines, but we may end up in the same place, more or less.
So what I'm still curious about, though, is your connection with Ramtha.
And along those lines.
So who is Ramtha to you, to your understanding, along those lines?
In other words, this I'm simply curious.
Is Ramtha, being a Lemurian, what exactly does that mean?
Where along the spectrum you're discussing do you think that Ramtha resides?
Evolving being.
Is he moving through the dimensions and out of this sort of, in other words, through the third, fourth, fifth and sixth and beyond?
And like that.
In other words, what ET race or extra-dimensional, intra-dimensional race is he really a part of?
Do you know?
The race that he came from, We're
halted his march after 63 years in Taxala, which is now in Pakistan, 23 miles from Rawalpindi in Pakistan.
That is where around the end of his march, and it was from there he ascended.
It was also much later the headquarters of Alexander the Great, where Apollonius of Tainana and Thomas, the brother of Jesus, visited in the year 46 AD, so on.
So at that time what he did in those years when he was sitting there, he was run through with a sword for him, disabled him for several years and in that time of the enforced element and contemplation, he came to understand disabled him for several years and in that time of the enforced element and contemplation, he came to understand how reality was, and he owned all these issues that had kept And he came to terms with it all.
And the Rampas ascended in this life.
Now when I refer to the source, the energy coming from the source, which is God, right down through the plains, he had removed in ascension all of the barriers to death, so that the full force of the Godhead was working through him.
So he ascended without dying.
He was the first human apparently to so do.
There have been 10 or 15 others since then.
But where does he live?
You know, people refer to Jesus as an ascended master, which he is.
But you know, ascended masters are not sitting on a couch in retirement in heaven smoking a cigar somewhere.
You know, I'm 76 years old almost,
and I'm just sort of priding myself But you know, by the time we've got our act together, it's time to die.
We have a ridiculously short lifespan.
Obviously something went seriously wrong in the design of the human race, in the design of this cosmos.
They must have run out of funding or something, because there's a lot of deficits in it, and we should move to address those.
I think that's Yes, it's very interesting to hear a bit of the bio, if you want to call it that, of Ramtha.
And I am interested, the idea that Ramtha is an ascended being, and that you feel that there's, I think you said seven or eight others that you think of achieving ten or fifteen.
Now, that's an interesting concept, so how do you know?
You've been told.
Okay, fair enough.
So, I think this is a very interesting conversation, obviously.
And we've been going for a while now.
I did promise that we would limit it for an hour.
So, if someone could tell me the time.
Ten minutes.
Ten minutes, okay.
So, right.
You can go as long as you wish.
I understand.
But in the interest of the situation and for certain logistics we're dealing with, we're going to have to keep it limited.
But, because we could probably sit here all night and go through quite a bit.
What was that paper?
Yes.
So, okay, so at this time you're basically sort of, we're reaching a common ground in that we are in dialogue about the various interdimensionals, extradimensionals, what are called ETs.
Certainly there are beings from inner earth as well.
And I'm wondering along those lines are you aware of Shambhala?
Yes, I'm aware of Shambhala, but I'm wondering do we mean the same thing by it?
Why don't you describe it?
Well, from what I know of Ramtha talking about Shambhala is that he was marching with his soldiers once.
There was two million people on that march.
I've often wondered how they managed to conquer two-thirds of I often try to imagine.
It was probably twice the width of this room.
And he asked his soldiers to join hands around the tree, and most of them were very embarrassed to be holding hands with someone.
And he asked one of the soldiers, Pradeep, "What do you think of this tree?" And Pradeep said, "Well, Lord Ram," he said, "You know, I could cut this down and burn it." And he said, that is an indication of the poverty state of your mind.
He said, the difference between you and that tree is that all you think of is death and destruction.
And this tree knows only how to live.
So he christened it Shambhala.
And it has lived a legend to this day.
That's a very interesting story.
I would say that when I'm saying Shambhala, I'm actually talking about a sort of a, you might call it a mystical place that's supposed to be in existence in a place that also goes by the name of Shangri-La, which is somewhere in theory in the Tibetan You know, mountains.
And that many people have talked about.
Some go there.
And it's kind of a place that might be referred to in some ways as Inner Earth.
Or a part of Inner Earth.
And people can go there.
and I have been aware of it and gone there myself and so I would say that it does exist but it's very different than the tree in theory um Well that's interesting, which came first, the tree or the place.
I remember once the Dalai Lama, we were in South Africa at Cape Town for the Conference for the Parliament Award of Religions and the Dalai Lama was staying at the end of my Which is now China.
But I was there and it was a very, very wonderful place to visit.
But that's all that I've ever heard about it from him or anyone else, for that matter.
But apparently the Tibetans greatly revered that place.
So that's all, unfortunately, that I know about it.
Okay.
Alright.
so in your travels and your studies did you ever study other religions because you call yourself a theologian and so pardon me but I don't know if that means that you were required to learn other religions such or even sort of philosophies
In other words, Buddhism, you know, Zen Buddhism, and Daoism, and you know, it goes on.
So I'm just wondering, did you follow that road as well?
We were required to study all the major religions, and all of the ones you have mentioned are major religions.
Daoism, Buddhism, Zen, etc.
We studied all of those.
That was a crucial part of our training.
The training was a very long time.
In my case it was nearly 12 years.
The style of life that we had in those years, I went into the seminary when I was 17 and a half.
So we had a very rigid lifestyle.
We had to get up at 6am, which is quite something in Ireland, given the climate that we had.
And you weren't allowed to speak to anyone until after you had breakfast.
We had prayers and so forth first.
Then we had breakfast around 8 and after breakfast you could speak for an hour.
Then we were on silence the rest of the day when we went to lectures and we couldn't talk So,
you know, if you apply yourself even remotely with diligence over 11 or 12 years of that regime and you don't forget too much, you build up quite a lot of information about religions and what kinds and so on.
So yes, I did study all of those things and again, as I said, I found similar lacks, similar This
is an interesting phrase.
They were in very good faith.
What in the world does that mean?
What I mean is they weren't intending to do harm or evil to anyone.
When they were teaching this stuff, they believed it was true.
They had never had the time to go back and analyze everything like I had.
But to the best of their knowledge, what they were saying was correct.
It's not correct.
Absolutely not correct.
But what I'm saying is they weren't malicious in preaching it, unfortunately.
Well, that's interesting.
Now, do you think that the Pope is malicious?
And do you also think that the current Pope is malicious as a being?
I don't.
I mean, I knew John Paul II very well because I went to Rome the year after he was appointed and I was there the whole of his time.
And I knew him very well.
I mean, he was a man who worked as a slave in a stone quarry under the Nazi occupation of Poland, etc.
And nothing knocks the corners off you more than working as a slave in He might be, but he certainly wasn't.
Now, his successor, Joseph Ratzinger, was of a different ilk.
I mean, he was one of the great theologians at the Second Vatican Council, which was called after the aliens had interviewed the Pope in 1954-55, Pius XII. So his successor, Angelo Roncalli, John XXIII, At the end of the 50s, early 60s, to try to rectify matters.
I've met Pope John, but I knew Cardinal Montini who became Paul VI. I remember once, the one thing that I hated in those 11 years when I was in the seminary and so Surrounded by water.
You could imagine that somehow they would be able to get fish, because we had to eat fish on Fridays.
And the fish we got, as you can imagine, wasn't lobster or salmon or anything like that.
The best way I can describe it is that it looked like a piece of styrofoam colored yellow.
That was fish.
And we got that.
We had to eat it because we had nothing else to eat every Friday.
Anyway, Pope Paul VI, Montini, whom I just mentioned, I was in Rome once and he was signing some document.
And he said, I suppose I'll be remembered for this document.
And I said, no, no, you won't.
You'll be remembered for abolishing the law of having to eat fish on Friday.
That's what you'd be remembered for, and rightly so.
We were in Korea at some event there about three years ago, and it was a cafeteria sort of thing, and everything in Korea is fish.
But the lady in charge of the doling out the food, I said to her, she didn't speak English and I didn't My note when Paul VI abolished that I would never eat fish again.
I've eaten my fish for this and several other lifetimes if they should have them.
So anyway, I managed to convey that I didn't want fish, so in the line Joseph Ratzinger was one of the main theologians with Carol Rahner and Hans Kung at the Second Vatican Council in the late 50s and early 60s.
I suppose he became adored as the darling of the council.
There were 3,000 bishops from all over the world there for a couple of years.
Back in his lecture hall in Regensburg, That was when he shifted.
He became a dire conservative, always anxious to sniff out heresy and punish anyone who was guilty of it at the slightest provocation.
That's when he changed.
Now, his successor, I only met him once in Argentina in 1986.
He had been head of the Jesuits there.
He came to Ireland later for most of the year to learn English.
He studied in Dublin.
But I've never met him since he became Pope.
And I don't know him personally.
But I doubt that he's an evil man.
Very much doubted.
And I think that this new book, which I've seen some reviews of but haven't read yet, Dictator Pope, it's not as bad as it sounds even.
I mean, it's bad enough, but I don't think it's saying that he's an absolutely rampant, authoritarian figure.
Again, I don't know.
And the popes I did know, I didn't think in any way should Someone came up to me and said, I hear you are an advisor to the Pope.
Is that true?
I said, I suppose it is.
He said, you don't seem to have done a very good job.
Okay.
What I'm wondering is, there have been, I guess, I don't know if you would call them rumors.
there's probably documented evidence that the Catholic Church hid the Nazis and supported the Nazis and also that this current Pope in Argentina was responsible.
You know, Argentina has a large underground base and a lot of Nazis in residence and apparently that he was involved in some form or fashion with the Nazis.
So you're not aware of that?
I'm not aware of that, no.
I just don't know anything.
Yes, I understand.
So in your As an advisor to the Pope.
And the Pope you advised was Benedict.
Is that correct?
No, it was John Paul II mainly.
Mainly John Paul II, who died, right?
He died and was succeeded by Benedict.
Now Benedict was the head of the Holy Office.
For 16 years I was going back and forwards to Rome.
Benedict was head of the Holy Office for 15 years.
So I worked very closely with him.
So you knew them both well.
Okay, so you never heard any sort of negative, in essence, negative comments about them.
What about the things that have to do with rumors and gossip and things that are out and about?
Were you aware of those things?
And are you aware of a man named Malachi Martin?
Oh yes, he's from Dublin.
Right.
And were you interested or did you agree with some of his evaluations of the church and so on?
When I came to Malachi, I mean, I knew Malachi Martin very well.
His brother, Connor, was our external examiner in sociology at the university, so I knew both of them.
Conor Moore.
But I think Manich is a bit extreme.
I think he goes, he gets carried away with the evidence.
Now there's no doubt probably that there's a core of truth, but I think the exaggerations that he puts on it sort of spoils the whole thing, unfortunately.
But I think he's dead now also.
Now he knows the truth.
Well, I mean, it's fascinating to talk to you, and I think I would be even more equipped to talk to you after I read your book.
And you have another book on orbs.
Is that correct?
Yes.
Simon Shuster in New York asked me to do a book on orbs.
I didn't submit the book to them like you would to a publisher if they asked me to do it.
So I did it, and it went through.
And I did two more DVDs of Orbs.
I did Orbs Clues to a More Exciting Universe, which is a title I would much prefer on Simon and Shuster's book, but they had the right to name the book.
And I did another one called Orbs the Veil is Lifting.
So that's my contribution on Orbs.
Someone said to me one time, I'm told you have 300,000-hour pictures in your collection.
I said, you've been very badly informed.
I have over 3 million.
Wow.
That's extraordinary.
Now, are your pictures published or some of them are just private?
Some of them, obviously, are published in those sources I mentioned, the DVDs, which are done.
A friend of a young person that I know about a year ago.
They were 10 million years old.
They didn't know what a DVD was.
So I realized then that things were actually worse than I thought.
Okay.
All right.
Well, it's been fascinating talking with you.
And I'm sure that it would be fascinating to have the audience ask questions, So you're sort of an old hand at this.
Imminent danger.
Okay, fair enough.
Okay, excellent.
Alright, so it's been fascinating talking with you.
I do live shows on YouTube several times a week, so perhaps we can continue our dialogue over YouTube and do a live show and talk more about your book when I can delve into it a bit.
And thank you very much everyone for being here.
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