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Feb. 9, 2018 - Project Camelot

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EAMONN ANSBRO: ASTRONOMER - AN UPDATE ON HIS QUANTUM EXPERIMENT TO CONTACT ET

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	Hi, everyone.
	This is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.
	I'm actually trying to locate my guest, Eamon Ansbrough.
	I don't know if there was a confusion in the time or the date.
	He lives in Ireland, so there's always a chance that there was a disconnect somehow.
	Anyway, if you don't mind standing by, what I thought I'd do is just take questions from the chat while we're waiting and Then we'll see if he shows up.
	I have sent out some sort of emails to see if I can get other people that know them to see if we can get them to come online.
	Maybe his wife as well.
	Oh, okay.
	Maybe here he is.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	Hello?
	Oh, hi, Eamon.
	How are you?
	Okay, I guess you can't hear me.
	Hi, Eamon?
	Hi, I guess I thought I heard you for a moment there, but I'm not hearing you now, and your video is sideways.
	If you can hear me, maybe you could go on Skype.
	That would be easier if you have Skype.
	Do you have Skype?
	Um...
	Okay, so we're having some strange difficulties here.
	Eamon, I don't know if you can hear me.
	Can you hear me?
	Nod your head if you can hear me because I can't hear you.
	Okay, great.
	So are you able to go onto Skype?
	Because this isn't working.
	Your video is sideways, in case you didn't notice.
	Okay, so if you could hang up here and go onto Skype.
	My Skype is Snow Jaguar.
	If you just add me or send me an invitation, I can add you.
	Is that okay?
	Nod your head if that's okay.
	Is that okay?
	Okay, so I'll see you on Skype, okay?
	Hopefully.
	And call me back here if you can't get on Skype.
	I guess we'll just use you with video sideways, unless you can correct that somehow at your end, because I don't have control of that.
	Okay.
	All right, so I guess he is here, just a couple minutes late, and...
	I'm not sure what is going to happen here.
	Maybe he will get onto Skype.
	I hope that he is able to.
	Sometimes Skype is a little neurotic and difficult to deal with, as you may know.
	We'll kind of see what goes on here.
	In the meanwhile, let me see if there's any questions in the chat that I can address while we wait and see if Eamon can get onto Skype and add me and all that kind of stuff.
	So, anyone got questions for Camelot?
	I've had some very interesting guests lately.
	Welcome to ask me about those guests or anything else that crosses your mind.
	Mark Richards, I don't know how he's doing, actually.
	I've tried to talk to Joanne about it.
	The last I heard, he was very sick from his whole situation having changed.
	Went into a lower security area and then he has a lot of roommates and he's not happy about it.
	They took away I think his typewriter and maybe even I think he had a television.
	He'd been in prison for like 30 years and they kind of get themselves established in their cells.
	They have one person they have to deal with and that's you know highly preferable to having a room full of and actually a lot of the people that are in that portion of the prison from what I understand are New inmates that don't really know the ropes, and a lot of them can also be younger and tend to see towards aggressiveness and violence.
	So it's a more dangerous area, if I understand it correctly.
	So let me see.
	Fake X. I guess you mean...
	I guess you mean SpaceX, and I'm not sure what you're trying to say about that.
	I haven't actually, I think I saw a post about something about that, but if you want to elaborate, are they saying that they don't think he's actually doing anything?
	I think they are.
	I think they've been going to the space station.
	They may be going other places as well.
	I'm not sure what that's about.
	Let's see.
	Someone wants to know John Lear.
	Well, I mean, John Lear posts on Facebook on a regular basis, in case you don't know that.
	So that's kind of cool.
	He's really a trooper.
	And from what I understand, his health has improved.
	We'll probably have him back on the show at some point in the not-so-distant future, just to get an update from him, see how he's doing, what he's coming across.
	So let me see.
	I don't really have any more info on the spiders.
	There's two kinds of...
	I'm sure there's a zillion kinds of spider beings, but the ones that we've been talking about with regard to Vietnam and then also...
	The ones Miles talks about that has to do with what he came across when he was an electronics kind of engineer in pirate radio, I guess, coming across these, what are in essence an artificial intelligence, so in the shape of spiders.
	So it's not quite, there are two different things going on there.
	One is the size of a VW, according to Mark Richards.
	And that's what the invasion in Vietnam was about.
	It's very possible, according to another one of my witnesses, that we are dealing with spider beings.
	From off-planet, according to Miles Johnson, there's also been discovered some in the UK, up in the Lake District, from what I understand.
	And that was reported, I guess, quite a long time ago.
	So I don't have an update on that.
	Nobody coming forward to talk about it or anything like that.
	Now, I'm going to go see if Eamon has made it onto Skype.
	Oh, God.
	I don't see him.
	I don't know if he knows if he's a Skype user or any of that stuff.
	Shoot.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Maybe I should open this other window up here just in case he shows back up there.
	I don't know.
	he said he could hear me.
	So Yeah, he's not there.
	So I'm not sure what's going on with that.
	Um, Just leave that open for now in case he shows up again.
	I hope maybe he can navigate Skype.
	I mean, it's dead easy, but we do have people that have trouble with it.
	They don't use it normally and all that kind of stuff, so I don't know what's maybe going on at his end.
	Okay, so let me see what else people are asking.
	Cryptocurrency, long-term for humanity.
	Will it be harmful?
	Wow.
	There's a lot of testimony about cryptos.
	Actually, I just interviewed Simon Parks.
	He is seeing crypto as a lure to AI. Okay, hold on.
	I think we're getting Eamon.
	That's right.
	I've actually changed the settings.
	Oh, you're here.
	Okay, good.
	Excellent.
	All right.
	So what I'm going to do is I'm going to pretend that we're just starting, even though I've been online here because people are waiting.
	And I'm going to put your banner on here so we identify the show.
	That's how we identify it visually for YouTube.
	And then I'll introduce you, Iman.
	I'm so glad you made it.
	That's fabulous.
	So just stand by here.
	And I'm going to close Skype so it doesn't interfere in the meanwhile.
	Okay, so we've established that and now I'm going to switch over to this other window where we actually have Eamon online.
	So Eamon, say hello to everyone.
	Hello everybody.
	So it's great to have you here and thank you so much for For making the effort to get yourself right side up.
	Days.
	Yeah, so the days of electronics and all that.
	So, well, speaking of that, now, for those that are listening, we do have a PowerPoint that is embedded on my site on the Amen Anspro post.
	And so you can go there to projectcamelot.tv or you can type in projectcamelotportal.com or...
	All of these URLs go to the same place, projectcamelot.org.
	We're blocked in some countries, so we've had to expand the number of URLs we're able to use so that that doesn't happen.
	So if you want to follow along with the PowerPoint, that's where it is.
	And Eamon, if you have access to sharing your screen, there's a little button there that lets you share it.
	Otherwise, I can try sharing it.
	So either way, it works.
	It'd be better if you do it simply because you'll know when to turn the page and navigate it.
	But if it's too much trouble on your end, then don't worry about it and we'll just...
	I'll try to do it, share it on my side.
	Okay?
	If you can do it on your side.
	All right.
	So I'll give that a try.
	Now, in the meanwhile...
	Hold on one second because I want to see if I can get...
	We're kind of a little bit unorganized here because of the...
	The weird start.
	Yeah, I thought I would have your bio.
	Okay, I don't have your bio up in center here, so I'm going to ask you to introduce yourself.
	A lot of people who are here on Camelot know that I've interviewed you in Ireland about four or five months ago, and they will have seen that, so they will have some background.
	There will be people, obviously, who don't know who you are and will need to get some kind of an update in terms of You're a background in your, you know, your sort of education as an astronomer, etc.
	So why don't you give us some background to begin with while I try to bring this up while you talk?
	Okay, I'm an astronomer.
	I specialize in solar system studies.
	And I originally started in meteorology way back in the 70s and eventually I resigned from that and went into optical engineering where I spent about 20 years and then after that I got back into astronomy again.
	I have degrees in astronomy specifically from University of Western Sydney, that's in Australia, and also Open University in the UK. So most of my research has been in solar system studies, and only just recently I've gone into the search for extraterrestrial intelligence.
	Okay, excellent.
	And well, you also have a background as a researcher of UFOs quite a long time ago, is that correct?
	That's correct.
	So that was a great background for what you're doing now, I would say.
	Yeah, well that was unexpected.
	This was due to another astronomer who thought I could actually research this area out.
	I had a background in meteorology, atmospheric physics, and also astronomy and optical physics.
	So without even knowing anything about UFOs, this would be, what, 1990?
	And I researched it out.
	I was totally confused by all the data I was getting.
	And then eventually I discovered there was a pattern and cycle to it.
	And I worked with another researcher, Roy Dutton.
	And anyway, we eventually came up with...
	A theory on UFOs, this would be dealing with the dynamics behind UFOs, and there are two published papers, by the way, believe it or not.
	Dealing with UFOs, I was told I had to change the name to AOP, Phenomenal Observational Phenomenon.
	Actually, what we show, this was during the 1990s, is that The theory is called the astronautical theory, and it's based on 13,000 sightings going back to the 1880s.
	Roy Dutton developed the program for it.
	I carried out the practical side of it and also some of the work I was doing in the Cycles and Patterns also fitted into the program.
	And basically the program deals with Events that occur at specific locations at specific times within plus or minus 20 minutes.
	This would be the allowed time for the actual program to work, you know, for an event.
	It's not to predict UFOs.
	It's where they might...
	Where the event might occur.
	It's just providing windows of opportunity when these events may occur.
	And on quite a lot of occasions, they have occurred.
	So that was during the 1990s.
	Since then, I've been involved in, as I said, solar system studies and then also SETI. Okay, great.
	So I've got this here on the screen, and hopefully people can see it, and I can actually maximize it slightly with this program.
	So we've got the first slide on there.
	I guess you can see it, right?
	Yes, I can see it.
	Great, and I'm trying to make sure the whole slide is on there.
	I think it is.
	All right, so if you want to start off with...
	Kind of explaining really the basis of your project and cover, I guess, briefly some of the things that you intended back in our first interview.
	At that time you were intending to go live, if I understood you correctly, two or three months after that.
	And for some reason you also, you weren't able to do so.
	So can you explain What your project is about and how you sort of came upon a delay, I guess you might say.
	Okay, well I'll just go into the model that we've been working on for some years.
	This is based on the most recent discoveries by Kepler telescope of exoplanets, approximately about 4,000 so far.
	When you scale it up to the whole galaxy, it's roughly about 500 billion Planets.
	And that can be narrowed down to so many planets where the possibility there might be not only life, but intelligent life as well.
	So there's a biological factor and a sociological factor to this.
	So we've been using all the recent theories, papers in biology and sociology.
	And this is what the assumptions are based on.
	So we're going on the basis that in biology, there's what's called co-evolution or cosmic conversion to evolution, that we may possibly meet ourselves out there.
	On the sociological front, we believe that as an advanced civilization develops, that it becomes more cooperative and leading into stabilization and then expansion.
	So if you're expanding from your stellar system to other stellar systems, the form of communications would be very illogical Within the electromagnetic spectrum, in other words, using radio or microwave.
	So the concept is using faster than light communications.
	So we had to look into the most recent research dealing with quantum mechanics And we came up with a concept of what's called superluminal communications.
	And in that light, we've developed a machine that we believe could possibly be used for contact.
	We've only got one machine, by the way.
	This was launched in 2016.
	And we have a second machine that we're developing Which is a huge improvement on the other one.
	However, we've been having some problems technically with it.
	We believe that we should have it finished and operational in 2018.
	This also leads into a problem that we have within the SETI arena.
	SETI is the search for extraterrestrial intelligence.
	So you have a SETI community, SETI scientists.
	And there's a huge emphasis just on radio, and only a small amount, maybe about 10% in the optical area, and even a small amount in the infrared, looking for possible ET civilization.
	ET civilization could come in many forms.
	It could be a megastructure out there, that could be in the infrared.
	Even in the optical, you could have variations in the light, some periodosity to it, that would be unusual.
	In the infrared, you're looking for excess infrared from the ambient infrared.
	In other words, it would be more artificial, the infrared, than the natural infrared that one would look for.
	But the majority of the work is in the radio region for SETI scientists.
	And in that light, there are a number of telescopes around the world that have been operational now for some years.
	There's been a huge input financially in this area in the last two years.
	So it's very much in fashion.
	Still is in the fringe area.
	It comes under what's called astrobiology, but it's still a fringe area.
	But 30 scientists now are trying to Address that issue at the present time.
	So once you realize what our research is involved with, we're dealing with a communication system that could literally be in real time.
	So in that light, we have a problem within the CETIC community in that Everybody's so used to dealing with radio and with constraints of light.
	In our case, we wouldn't be.
	It would be in real time.
	So we're still in our infancy in this, and I'm planning, actually, and proposing...
	Quantum superluminal communication system to the CETIC community for the second time round.
	So I have about three opportunities for this.
	Some scientists have warmed to the research that we're doing and we're hoping actually that this would be taken into consideration in the protocols.
	There's one One aspect of the protocols is what's called REO, the REO scale.
	It's very similar to the Torino scale that's used for asteroid impacts.
	The REO scale, which was devised actually back in the year 2000 in REO, that was a SETI conference there, However, this has just recently been modified in the last three months and so there's quite intensive discussion about this, particularly a meeting that will be coming up in Paris in, I think it's in April.
	So we're actually hoping that our proposal would be integrated in that.
	How shall I put it?
	it would be important to do that now because if we get contact we really have caught everybody on the harp it's so okay so anyway in that sorry So this is unfortunately what's going on.
	I'm not sure what to do about that.
	Okay.
	The best thing I guess we could do is maybe turn the volume down at your end slightly and see if that helps.
	Sometimes there's a feedback loop if the volume's too high on either side.
	And I'm turning it down on my end and hopefully it'll still be loud enough but not so loud we get a feedback.
	Looks like it might be working.
	And the other thing we can do is mute you while I talk and mute me while you talk.
	So we can also do that.
	So you can still hear me, right?
	Yes, quite clear.
	Okay, very good.
	So what I wanted to ask you was...
	In essence, you talked about quantum mechanics, as I recall, in the first interview.
	This is the method.
	Is it not that you're using, am I correct in that, in these two machines that are operational?
	And are you saying that, in essence, the second one is not operational at this time?
	No, because it's not finished.
	I see.
	We've had some technical problems with it because it's a lot more sophisticated than the original machine.
	And so we're hoping actually we'll have this complete sometime in the year.
	Okay.
	And when you say you have technical difficulties or whatever, you know, when I interviewed you, and this was in September 2017, You felt quite confident that you were moving along.
	I mean, I don't know how detailed you want to get, but can you give us a general idea about what changed that interfered with your progress, so to speak?
	Sure.
	With the first machine, we were quite satisfied with it, but we found that there was a lot of noise.
	So, We decided actually to build another machine which has a lot more, how shall I put it, there's been a lot more technical issues into clarifying the signal.
	And in that light, it has caused us actually some problems.
	Either we're at our limits doing this, and actually at the time I felt confident that we should have been able to do it by November, just three months ago.
	However, that's not the case.
	There's obviously a lot more to this than we expected.
	You have to realize, Kerry, that we're in unknown territory here.
	We haven't come across any papers or material from anybody around the world that has done something like this before.
	So, you know, it's like we are in the unknown.
	We're exploring areas that have never been done before.
	Right, at least in the mainstream.
	Now, I do want to say that I have a A source, you know, deep black source, whatever you want to call that, who has told me, I told him about your experiment many months ago, and he said, and this is a quote, that you'd never be allowed to do it.
	Now, he's somebody who works in the secret space program and take it for what it's worth.
	I don't know if that's It's been part of the reason why you might have been having more trouble than you thought.
	The other thing I wanted to ask you is in terms of the actual technique you're using, which again, is this quantum mechanics?
	And if so, can you also explain that to our viewers?
	Yeah, okay.
	It involves quantum mechanics, but also it involves general relativity.
	So it's actually an interplay between general relativity and quantum mechanics.
	You could say that there are no So-called experts in quantum mechanics at this point in time.
	You have an issue with physics because it's in a crisis and then you have quantum mechanics and so you have a disparity between the two and of course in physics a lot of experiments may work and in quantum mechanics there's also experiments have been working and particularly the Chinese now have achieved Quantum entanglement in communications between satellite and receivers on Earth.
	They've done this on a number of occasions now since 2016.
	And there's others that have been working at the lab bench, so to speak, and also have achieved this quantum entanglement approach in communications.
	So we're actually in that particular area ourselves.
	Although we weren't actually familiar with the Chinese research even before 2016, it seems that there are numbers of teams around the world that are working towards this goal of communications using quantum mechanics or applying quantum mechanics,
	shall I say, And we just happen to be one of those teams and we're just having to be working in SETI and applying it in that area.
	So I don't...
	Actually, I'm still confident that we will succeed in building this second machine.
	It's just a matter of time.
	And then once second machine, then we're in a...
	A very good position for validation because in the SETI arena, you can't just rely on one machine.
	There needs to be two of them in two different locations geographically.
	And if we can both pick up the signal at the same time, then we've actually cracked it.
	We then have our first contact then.
	Okay.
	Now, I might have had the wrong idea, but I thought you had something going on in Australia, something going on in Britain, and then something going on in Ireland.
	So you don't have three locations, you have two?
	No.
	Just clarify that for you.
	In that interview with you back in mid-September, I think it was last year, I mentioned that we had to test out two small locations Machines, so to speak.
	These weren't the proper big ones that we're using at the moment.
	This was to test out the speed or the velocity.
	And we actually achieved 10 to the fifth C. In other words, 10,000 times the speed of light.
	If you were using your smartphone, it takes a third of a second to contact somebody in Sydney, in Australia.
	The results we got, we actually achieved very similar to what the Chinese have achieved as well.
	That is 10,000 times the speed of light in the communications.
	So we don't actually have a machine in Australia or a machine in the UK. What we have a machine here, Here in Ireland.
	And we have another one being developed in the UK at the present time.
	Okay.
	Now, in terms...
	So, Kerry, we'll end up only with two machines, but in two different locations, one in Ireland and one in the UK. Okay.
	So, in terms, just for the people that don't know this, my understanding is that you are...
	Once you turn the machine on, you go out everywhere and you go out actually beyond our immediate solar system.
	And you do it all at once.
	Can you describe that again here?
	Because I think that'll help people to understand.
	In a sense, the way I looked at it is that you were actually...
	It's the nature of the quantum, so to speak.
	That in a sense, you leapfrogging over...
	What is in essence our secret space program and going out everywhere.
	But it's indiscriminate, isn't it?
	It doesn't discriminate between various solar systems, whether it's AI you contact or, you know, beings, various beings or et cetera, et cetera, right?
	That's right.
	I'll just clarify that for you.
	We're dealing with connectivity here on a universal scale.
	In other words, if I do something here, that connection can take place, say, a thousand light years away instantaneously.
	I won't go into all the technical details about that, but this is to do with quantum entanglement.
	So what that means is that if others out there, ET civilizations, are also using similar tools, Then we are in a position to contact them or they can contact us.
	We've set it up in a way where we're hoping that somebody will contact us.
	I mean, you could have a number of scenarios.
	You could have a situation where ET civilization or civilizations, there could be a number of them, already monitoring us.
	This was what's called the zoo hypothesis in SETI. That's been known for the last 40 years.
	There's also the possibility you could have communications between two ET civilizations.
	In other words, from two different spacecraft, two different planets, and we happens to eavesdrop on their communications.
	So we're still possible to communicate with them even if they're communicating with each other.
	So there's a number of scenarios that could take place here.
	Probably the easiest one if somebody communicated to us.
	And then we're in the fantastic position of actually communicating to them.
	Okay, in response, in other words, is that correct?
	In response, yes.
	Now, if I recall, you also said that you were...
	You and your scientists, you have a small group of scientists, if I understand it, were already...
	Feeling that you were getting some kind of downloads or information coming at you that was helping you to build the machine in the first place.
	So in a sense, you felt you were being helped along.
	Do you still feel that way?
	Oh, that's incorrect, Kerry.
	What I mentioned in the previous interview was that some of us throw dreams or thoughts that we would solve a particular item.
	This will be very similar to, actually I'll put it, probably exaggerating the point here, but Niels Bohr back in, I think it was 1912, when he was trying to figure out, you know, is there such a thing as an atom, but how would the atom operate?
	And then through a dream, he saw the solar system.
	And when he came out of it, he realized, ah, this is how the atom operates.
	It's very similar to the solar system.
	Now, likewise, we've been getting...
	You could say images rather like that through dreams.
	And some of my colleagues would also, not just dreams, but other intuitive ways of coming up with new ideas, so to speak.
	So this has nothing to do with ET contact as such.
	Now, mind you, it could be.
	I have no idea.
	We're only going on what we know so far to achieve that goal.
	Okay, well, in theory, it could also be AI. In other words, at this point on planet Earth, we do have these things operational, in essence.
	And I know that this is not necessarily agreed upon by SETI and various scientists, but it's certainly operational.
	You know, what my area of work is revealing for over 12 years now, and it seems quite obvious.
	So the thing is that we are also in touch with, you know, the phenomenological sort of realms out there in which you can also get, you know, contact with spirits, people that have passed on.
	I mean, obviously you have to have an open mind, but where does inspiration come from?
	It gets into that realm.
	It gets into also the connection, what we call the universal mind, you know, which Jung was talking about and all of that.
	So in other words, these ideas that might be helping you along, you may not know the source, I guess is what I'm saying, but it's certainly possible.
	That you are already in contact.
	That if you are getting anything in the realm of inspiration, possibly this is where it's coming from.
	It also could just come from somewhere on Earth.
	And I don't know how much influence your work in the UFO world has over the work you do now.
	In other words, Did you reach the conclusion that there were indeed, we were being visited by, you know, beings from other planets in various craft at that time, based on the sightings that you chronicled or tracked?
	And also that there is a secret space program.
	Do you acknowledge that much?
	Well, regarding the secret space program, I haven't researched that out at all.
	Regarding the whole UFO area, I see it as a phonological arena and that it may not be due to what people are thinking.
	In other words, you know, a nuts and bolts, so to speak, spacecraft.
	It could be A post sort of...
	I mean, Carl Jung wrote a book called Flying Saucers back in 1954, I think it was.
	And so he thought there were some sort of Mandela, some archetypes.
	And then to his surprise that...
	I think it was his daughter said, well, they've actually detected them on radar.
	And he was astonished when that happened.
	So maybe there's a materialization there besides the whole collective.
	Well, it would seem that the military, you know, the military and the volume of sightings, et cetera, certain members of the military certainly acknowledge it at this point, even publicly.
	So to move on, What do you have here in terms of this presentation that you wanted to share?
	Because you said you're going to be using this presentation.
	Is it at Oxford, did you say?
	Yes.
	In fact, there's two conferences coming up, which I will present in August.
	The post-contact protocols.
	This would address the issue in the radio SETI area because there are some teams actually in SETI who are working in METI, that is messaging, and actually have sent messages out.
	This has been going on now, I think, about 40 years, roughly.
	I think since 1974.
	But certainly one last year, METI International.
	There's a team there that sent out a signal.
	Now, the reason I mention this is that there's no regulations regarding this.
	And it is upsetting a lot of people that, you know, with willy-nilly type of messaging being sent out.
	Now, the work that we're doing...
	Could actually address that issue, and that's what I have actually in this presentation, these slides.
	If you like, I can go into it.
	Well, I'm sure that people would be very interested.
	You know, I'm not so versed in what you do here that I could necessarily address every slide.
	Perhaps you might direct me and tell me which slide you'd like to bring on the screen.
	And then cover some of the situation.
	Because I know that...
	See, people do not understand when you say post-contact protocols necessarily what you're talking about.
	And this is what you mean.
	What you mean is that once you have contact, that there is a world community, the way you look at it, in the mainstream, so to speak, scientists and so on, who, including, I guess we talked about the United Nations, Who need to be consulted, agreed with, so-and-so, how that we on Earth, I guess, you know, through your machine, is going to be communicating.
	Is that correct?
	That's correct.
	Now, this is only a proposal, Kerry, which I will be proposing to study scientists coming up in the next months.
	But just very, very briefly, Actually on slide one there, number two, now what I mean by sensitization is that sensitization is already here.
	In other words, we're dealing with Azure through movies, books, magazines.
	The SETI community are dealing with the protocols that are involved in it.
	So there is a sensitization that's been going on now for the last 60 years.
	The preparations part is preparing for contact.
	And I can go through that a little bit actually in one of the slides.
	And then the first contact itself is then we've actually got official contact.
	And then going into the next stage would be post-contact.
	And this is what I meant by post-contact protocols.
	How to do it.
	And I've actually gone into this in a little bit of detail.
	That's the reason I sent you the slides, you know, because it's all very well me talking about this.
	But when you have slides there, it means hopefully it might clarify a lot more for your audience.
	Sure.
	Okay, so with that in mind, do you want to explain then, I guess the first contact is pretty obvious, but do you want to explain that step and maybe the post-contact since the other two seem to be covered and self-explanatory?
	Yes, sure.
	Well, I mean, the preparations are important.
	That is, you know, raising awareness with everybody on this one, particularly in the SETI community.
	And so the preparations would involve upgrading the protocols in SETI. And this would enable a much more streamlined type of communications with an extraterrestrial civilization.
	So in that, we're talking about creating networks, connecting up.
	We would need cooperation.
	And this would involve a whole range of experts, not just scientists and engineers, but also artists, musicians, etc.
	So I would see the preparation more for worldwide first contact.
	But The elements for this would need to be put into place.
	And so when you go beyond the first contact, the post-contact, so to speak, you're into a whole new era now.
	You're into the whole...
	In other words, we're now introduced to our first ET civilization.
	So mankind now has then entered into a completely new era.
	So we're basically becoming then the first members or first member of a cosmic community.
	And so then we're in a position for intercultural and scientific exchange.
	This would have upcoming changes from a structural point of view, institutional point of view.
	This would be less so in radio.
	Radio would be, how shall I put it?
	There'd be very little information coming through on radio, which is what I would suspect.
	And it would be years before we would hear anything in the future.
	But in this case, dealing with quantum superlumer communications, we're dealing with real time here.
	So we need to make the preparations for this, setting up networks and so forth.
	So this opens up possibilities for people connecting up on a worldwide scale.
	And you can actually, if you look at, I think it's slide 11, we can jump onto that.
	Okay.
	Oops, that didn't, that's not how I do it.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So what I've just mentioned there is in some of those slides that we've just gone through already.
	And so we're going into worldwide communication centers.
	This is the way I would see it.
	So beforehand, we would need to support this particular scenario.
	And then when contact is made, we need to first find out, well, You know, what type of civilization are we dealing with here?
	You know, what classification are we dealing with?
	In other words, how advanced are they?
	And there's a whole classification that is called the Kardashev ETC classification types.
	And they'll also have an agenda as well.
	You can be sure of that.
	And that's something we would also need to understand.
	I mean, we will have our own agendas, of course.
	But once we have that clarified, then we're in a position for intercultural and scientific exchange within ET civilizations.
	So I would see or proposing committees with different centers around the world and committees dealing with scientists, engineers, artists, groups, all different types of experts.
	And from that, if we go to slide...
	I think it's, is it slide 12?
	Okay.
	Back up here.
	Yes, so slide 12.
	So you're dealing with phases two and three that I've just mentioned earlier on in the other slide.
	We want to find out who are they, where do they come from, And why are they in communications with us?
	Now, I'm putting an assumption in here that, okay, if we take the zoo hypothesis, that is, that they're already monitoring us, that they may take the initiative to communicate with us.
	That would actually make it much easier from our end to communicate with them, because then we'd already know what the frequency is.
	And we want to know why are they communicating with us.
	And it's important the communications and the technology that we're using for this.
	So the role of worldwide communication centres, I feel, is important.
	It'll address a lot of the political issues, country issues, cultural issues around the world.
	At the moment, there's no agreement in this area because it's assumed that using radio, we have lots and lots of time before we communicate again, coming to agreements.
	No regulations at all regarding communications with a possible ET civilisation.
	This is the METI side.
	Now METI can be addressed with the way I'm talking about here because you're involving everybody throughout the whole world.
	Well, actually, what I'd like to do, though, here is actually address what is, in essence, a disconnect.
	Because if you're talking about a method of communication, first of all, the method you're talking about here, I'm assuming, in your case at least, is not radio, it's quantum.
	And therefore, it's basically instantaneous.
	And it is...
	How it comes into us would be through possibly what you might say is 5G. You know, the computers and even the artificial intelligence that scientists are developing at this time here on this planet.
	So...
	I'm not sure how you...
	And then there is the obvious disconnect where huge numbers of people, scientists as well as military, etc., etc., already acknowledge that we're dealing with ET now and that we're in contact.
	So what you have is there's this huge disconnect between sort of the world you're operating in or attempting to operate in and describe and the world where a lot of other people...
	We tend to live mentally, psychologically, emotionally, etc., in which we are dealing with these beings already.
	And there's a huge body of, you know, of contact information.
	So can you address, how do you even establish centers and continue, and it's like almost operating on two timelines, one timeline where we've had no contact, and this is going to be the initial first contact, and it's going to come in through In theory, a quantum place where they're going to communicate.
	And how is that going to materialize?
	Is it going to show up in a computer system?
	Or how did you think it's going to be typed, like translated into a message?
	Or is it going to be music?
	Or you have no idea.
	And so, in a sense, it's like a schizophrenic situation.
	You know, you've got two Like two brains in essence, two ways of looking at the world that are completely split down the middle, at least with regard to whether we are in contact at this time and have contact.
	And then there's the AI component, which again, we know that humans have developed artificial intelligence and we do know At least through the D-Wave and Geordi Rose, who's talking about, you know, his machine and what it does, which is accessing the quantum according to what he says.
	So how do you put all that together so that this presentation that you're doing actually makes sense within the milieu of what I'm talking about here?
	There's a disconnect.
	Okay.
	I understand that...
	There used to be a background sound, actually, on my end.
	Can you hear me clearly?
	I can hear you.
	Yes, I'll mute myself.
	Well, I can't actually mute, because in order for your sound to come through, I can't mute myself, I don't think.
	But go ahead.
	I think it sounds fine to me at the moment.
	Okay.
	Sorry, it was on my end.
	It's actually cleared up now.
	No, I understand, Kerry, the dichotomy between what you're saying there, okay?
	Indeed, we have the mainstream, which is, we'll call it the majority, and then you have a minority dealing with, as you say, the whole military side, the secrecy and so forth.
	If you were to introduce the whole secret area, I think you'd call it the secret space program or And also the whole ET contact has already taken place with the military and so forth.
	That would be dramatic for mainstream.
	It's so huge, I don't think they'll be able to integrate that reality.
	However, the way I see it is this, that by operating in mainstream, which I am doing, That it's a much easier entree when a discovery takes place than having the other.
	It's just too dramatic altogether.
	The integration of this reality of a discovery within the SETI community, I feel, is much easier to deal with.
	So that's where I'm coming from.
	I do appreciate that there's all these other elements going on.
	I think you mentioned actually in an interview, I think it was last year you mentioned that there was bases on the Moon and Mars and so forth.
	I have no idea.
	All I'm doing with our team in the SETI is what we only know.
	And if we can achieve that, this is only a proposal now dealing with post-contact.
	And that's why I'm just sharing what I'll be presenting to others coming up this year.
	Okay, so the place you're doing this presentation and the people that you're dealing with, I understand some of them are in SETI and then this presentation is going to be at Oxford, correct?
	That's correct, yes.
	And so now is this something where your team was invited to Oxford by the university to come and present?
	Or is this something where you proposed it and then a certain department accepted it?
	Is this normal for them, the way they operate?
	Okay.
	This is all part of what's called the UK SETI Research Network.
	They have meetings annually in different locations around the UK. And it just so happens the next one is in Oxford.
	So it's not part of the university.
	Is that what you're trying to say?
	It's not part of the...
	Well, actually, one of the...
	There is a small team in Oxford dealing with the Future of Humanity research.
	And the whole ETI area comes into that.
	And so some of these individuals have invited the UK State of Research Network to be at the next annual meeting, which happens in Oxford.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And now, in terms of your work, And I guess we can also continue with whatever else you have in the presentation to sort of explain to people.
	But are you dealing with the media yet or are you still holding back from that?
	and at what point do you think you're going to be dealing with the media?
	We haven't been dealing with the media at all.
	The reason being is that it would be a complete distraction with the research we're doing.
	Number two, the media will know all about it when the discovery is made.
	And why will they know about it?
	Because that's part of the remit in SETI. In fact, it's what's called the Rio scale.
	The Rio scale is...
	has...
	was developed especially for the public and the media because there's been quite a lot of concern in the last year or two whenever something to do with ET comes up in the astrobiology area.
	For example, you know the recent interstellar object that came in there in October-November I can't remember the name of it now.
	It's in Hawaiian.
	But one particular scientist out of all the scientists mentioned that it could be artificial, it could be an ET probe.
	Well, guess what?
	The whole media went viral throughout the world.
	And this scientist was heavily criticized for this.
	So the Rio scale that was just recently developed We'll address that issue because up to only, well, the last few weeks, there's been no agreed protocol in this area for the media.
	So what is the protocol for the media?
	Well, okay.
	Okay, the protocol works like this.
	We'll say we have first contact.
	And it signed off.
	And this would involve the SETI Permanent Committee of the International Astronautical Federation.
	They have a small team, it's called the Post-Contact Group Team.
	Which deals with this.
	And if there's an agreement on this, and the chairman at the end says, yep, this is definitely official contact with Dino Benito's civilization here, then this is the only agency in the world that has the remit to inform the United Nations.
	So from there, everybody will know about it.
	In other words, they'll know about the contact that's taken place.
	In other words, the public media will know all about it.
	But it'll go through the whole scientific arena first.
	You know, there'll be a circular sent out to different observers around the world.
	This is quite normal.
	It's quite a common thing.
	It goes on every day, this does.
	And then from there, we probably have to write up a report, write up a paper, which we would submit about the whole discovery, how it was done.
	What we're dealing with here.
	The media will get all this after.
	It's just that we have to go through all the technical issues first.
	This will be part of the protocols we're dealing with.
	Okay.
	Now, if this is instantaneous, as you suggest, in other words, what you told me before was when you turn your machine on, it goes out everywhere, as I said, indiscriminately in theory.
	And then you could get a response in seconds, let's say.
	You could get several responses even.
	There's all kinds of scenarios, as you mentioned.
	It seems like time, the time that you're talking about for...
	People to write papers and scientists to agree.
	You know, there's not going to be time for all of that in this quantum model, at least, that you've got going on, it seems to me, for protocols, the way you're describing it.
	Now, I know you're suggesting sort of protocols, but you're also saying that they've already got protocols of a kind.
	But everything that at least you're telling me seems...
	Lodged in time.
	Sure, if you have time to tell, you know, the media at a certain point.
	So scientists are going to, in theory, be notified around the world, but they're going to be told not to go to the media.
	I mean, in other words, how are you going to stop one thing from basically a row of dominoes from going around the world instantaneously and then As you said, one scientist is going to say it's real and it's this or that, and another scientist is going to have a different opinion, and so on and so forth.
	In other words, the dialogue that goes on, especially on the internet, with regard to anything that goes public, is really pretty close to instantaneous at this point.
	So there is no downtime.
	There's no procedural downtime.
	That will really allow for, you know, discourse to take sort of a methodical tact and also to keep the media away.
	Are you really proposing that the scientists don't share with the media initially?
	Is that what you're suggesting?
	Or that the United Nations is suggesting that?
	I mean, can you explain that?
	Well, what usually happens within the scientific arena is scientific community is that once we know that we have an official discovery, then we would send out what's called an International Astronomical Union Circular, which then is distributed to all observatories around the world.
	And then That's showing a discovery.
	Now, that would actually go straight into the media after that.
	There's going to be scientists there who say, oh, this is great.
	They want to get it out to the media.
	That's fine.
	You know, I'd be quite happy about that, all right.
	Now, trying to answer your question regarding why would there be such a delay, and yet we're doing real-time interaction, say, with an ET civilization, That's really, how shall I put it, that's the way things are at the present time.
	It has been set up that way.
	I can't change it unless our proposals are not only accepted and actions, but mind you, they'd have to prove as to that we can achieve this, of course.
	In other words, setting up live stream centres, so to speak, around the world.
	In other words, I guess, and don't governments, I appreciate you're talking about the UN, but the UN doesn't really run the world, even though they may think that they'd like to.
	So, you know, there will be governments, and again, military, let's say, that in theory might want to intervene at various junctures along this path.
	So are you taking that into account when you put together this proposal?
	OK, I do agree with you.
	The United Nations is very weak in this area.
	In fact, they're quite lazy when it comes to, let's say, the discovery of contact has occurred officially.
	It would be more or less thrown back to the scientists to get on with it.
	The UN is just there as a, how shall I put it, so-called authority in the world, dealing with their two, whatever it is, 300 nations.
	After that, I think it'll be really the scientists that will be just following this through.
	It's just to inform the United Nations this has happened.
	There's another, we'll call it, a cosmic community out there that we're communicating with.
	But I believe that they will pass it back to the scientists and get on with it.
	In fact, we would have to get on with it because, in fact, I was speaking to one of my colleagues there just two or three months ago, and something like this came up regarding political interference.
	And I was saying that We just cannot deal with politicians for this.
	We have to get on with this as scientists, doing it in a neutral, positive way.
	We cannot deal with other agendas that are there.
	Well, I mean, appreciate that.
	But what about scenarios such that If you were to achieve this and you were to have contact and you were to notify the United Nations, it's quite possible that you would be invaded by a military, depending on where the machine existed.
	Either the British would, you know, send their forces in.
	The United States would certainly send their forces in because they're hand in hand with the Britons, with the Brits, and so on.
	So, in other words, Saying scientists, sure, scientists might do their study of whatever ever has come to the fore.
	But in essence, you could be shut down in a millisecond, so to speak, if the government of Britain is not in agreement with what you're doing fully and completely when contact is made.
	And at the same time, the same with the United States, because they actually...
	Their presence is pretty substantial in Britain in various military bases.
	So, have you thought of that?
	Okay, I take your point about the US and the UK. We're dealing...
	Okay, our operations here are in a neutral country.
	It's called the Republic of Ireland.
	So, how shall I put it?
	Speaking to another colleague of mine there last year, when you make an announcement of a discovery and everything goes through, it's the, how shall I put it, the president of the sovereign state then I may actually present some material regarding this discovery through the media.
	That's what I understood from a colleague from last year who told me this, who would be more into the know of this.
	Regarding the other things you mentioned about the military interference and so forth, I really have no idea.
	Maybe I'm not naive about this.
	It's like we're scientists, we're just getting on what we would do.
	As to politics, all the other factors around that, really, I don't spend my energy in those areas.
	We just focus on what we're doing.
	If something like this, I know it's your own opinion, of course, Kerry, if something like what you're saying is possible, then it is possible.
	It certainly would be an interference in another sovereign state, mind you, because we're not involved with the UK or the US regarding this.
	Okay, so the place you're building the second machine is Ireland, not England?
	The second machine happens to be in the UK. In other words, the development of the second machine.
	It doesn't necessarily mean it has to be in the UK. It's just from a technical point of view that we're developing it there.
	The first machine was developed here.
	We could have the second machine in some other country.
	Right, but I guess what I'm trying to say is...
	I think once we've achieved the second machine, we get an operational, then we can look at another location for it.
	Right, but I guess what I'm saying is once you have this, you've got a machine, you're building it, and in theory you're not going to move it, you're going to turn it on in the place where it's being developed.
	Isn't that true?
	That's possible.
	Well, we'd have to test it out first.
	But it doesn't necessarily mean it has to be in that particular location once it's, how shall I put it, that we have a viable machine that works.
	It's just from a laboratory point of view, we need to develop it at a particular location now.
	But later on, once we have it operational, that it may go to a different location.
	Is it a very large machine?
	Sorry, I didn't hear what you said.
	Is it very large?
	What, the machine?
	Yes.
	Well, you have to define what large means.
	Well, I mean, is it easy to move?
	I'm, you know, following your line of reasoning.
	You would need a van.
	You'd need a vehicle to move it.
	Okay, so what I want to do here is, I think it's, you know, I think at least my audience, and I appreciate that perhaps the people you deal with normally don't kind of go in this direction I'm going here, but...
	There is an article today in the ExpressCo.UK, which is a newspaper in England.
	Encontré muchas particularidades que las hacen totalmente diferentes.
	Sorry, this video came up.
	Just one second.
	So I wanted to...
	I'm going to try to put it on the screen here.
	It says, world-changing mummified aliens found in Nazca tomb were alive, claimed scientists.
	Now, these are scientists that are obviously going against the grain because they tried to discount the Nazca aliens, and I don't know if you've followed that story much.
	But it is a case in point because, in essence, it's an ET civilization that apparently had access to AI and that these particular beings might have been biological, but they were also basically run by an AI civilization.
	And, you know, this is in Peru, etc., etc.
	So today, this is an article, as I say, came out.
	The scientists are disagreeing, but as it happens, these beings are not, in theory, communicating with us at this time, but they were alive at one time.
	This is what the scientists are claiming.
	So this is the kind of discussion that obviously you're talking about where scientists are not going to necessarily agree.
	They're going to have different points of view on any kind of incoming information.
	And I guess in some ways you would also have to prove that you're actually in communication with not just someone on Earth, you know, hoaxing or something of that nature.
	Right.
	Oh, this would be heavily scrutinized, Carrie.
	I can tell you that.
	Right.
	So, I mean, with all due respect, you have to be a little practical in the process of doing your work.
	That is highly, it seems, idealistic.
	And I applaud you for that in the sense that you have...
	You know, positive values and a more positive way of approaching this than the one of secrecy, obviously.
	But when you're dealing with these people and when you're addressing these kinds of presentations to the public, you kind of have to deal with The protocols, so to speak, established here on planet Earth, in which a great deal of secrecy exists and where governments do not allow certain things out in public, etc., etc.
	And then we come up against this interesting thing where you've got a delay.
	Do you understand your delay sufficiently to say that it's purely technical and has nothing to do with interference?
	Oh, this is a technical issue.
	Okay.
	And it's technical in such a way that is there a way you can explain to us how technical or is this like beyond the scope of something you can discuss in public?
	Yeah, there's a number of elements that we've had to develop and we're having difficulty in, how shall I put it, In synchronizing all these different elements, we've got different parts working, but we can't seem to integrate them at one point for it to work.
	The original machine works, but it has an awful lot of static, a lot of noise.
	I mean, it's still being used, but For this to be successful, in order to get a very clear signal, we've had to build this second machine and we are having some difficulty.
	I didn't expect this to happen.
	I was going on the basis that the first machine was just a matter of not just duplicating it, but actually putting Significant improvements into it, but we're finding that it didn't come together there in the last two or three months.
	But we're still confident that we will get it together.
	It's just a matter of time, actually.
	Well, how far away is your machine from the D-Wave machine?
	Oh, well, that's very different.
	You mean, are we building something very similar to what they're doing?
	Yeah.
	No, it's very, very different.
	Okay, so you're not using these, what do they call them?
	I don't know.
	They don't call them chips.
	They call, you know, it's this sort of square or five-sided thing.
	So you're not using that kind of technology.
	Right.
	No, we're not.
	It's even different to the Chinese by what I've learned from their papers.
	So these things are expected to have diversification in getting to a particular point.
	Okay, have you had some success with the second machine at all?
	In other words, is it well beyond the first one in a satisfactory way to where you have your You feel you really are sort of advancing yourself, or do you feel that you've reached sort of an impasse of a sort, or is it just a slow progress?
	It's a slow progress, trying to integrate all these different elements.
	Okay, name one element, if you don't mind, when you say element.
	Oh, yes, certainly, yeah.
	We're dealing with computerizing Electromagnetic frequencies.
	That's one area.
	There's also creating a stabilized How should I put it?
	Longitudinal wave bubble between antennas.
	We're just having some difficulty in that area.
	So those are just two elements out of a number of elements that we're dealing with.
	Do you ever contemplate approaching an organization such as NASA to see where their scientists are at with this stuff?
	Well, actually, I sent a submission to the European Space Agency there in, I think it was October, because I had a presentation I made there, I think it was October, where there was some ESA representatives.
	How shall I put it?
	I think there's difficulty in understanding from their end that this is actually possible to do.
	And I think actually...
	I think once we've...
	Okay, how shall I put it?
	If we can just even achieve the discovery of an ET civilization, I think all the technology that we're dealing with...
	Scientists will realise then that, well, you know, this is just a different approach to it, different tools than what they're using at the present time.
	I see.
	So what you're trying to say is you're kind of inventing a technology.
	Is that correct?
	Or you're utilizing a technology or a series of technologies in a way they haven't been utilized before, but they've already been used in certain more terrestrial type applications?
	Yes.
	We're actually inventing a new technology, developing a technology which...
	Can create the right conditions for the signal to achieve a signal of this nature.
	Okay, and you know, in other words, is this something you go into the patent office?
	Do you take out a patent on what you're doing?
	No, we haven't put a patent into this.
	Do you check to see if anyone else has?
	We have and we haven't found anybody.
	Okay.
	So do you want to talk about the members of your team at all, their disciplines, that sort of thing might be of interest to people?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	It's quite diverse, the team.
	We have an electronic engineer, a radio engineer.
	We have an orchestra conductor dealing with acoustics.
	We have an anthropologist.
	Dealing with the socio-cultural side.
	We have a linguistic, sorry, specialist in linguistics, not the normal linguistics.
	The other artificial computerized type of technology, but using linguistics.
	That particular person has been a key part of our team for the Communications, the protocols that we have to set up, how to respond, and so forth.
	That particular person is rated to be the number one in the world in this area, and he's part of our team.
	Does he, for example, can he read Sumerian and some of these ancient languages?
	I haven't asked him that.
	I'm sure he could.
	It's not my area of expertise, of course.
	That's the reason we have so many diverse people.
	Well, let me ask you this.
	Do you have a leader who hired the different people, or were you the leader?
	Okay, this is not to do with hiring people at all.
	This is, how should I put it, this is all to do with networking.
	Say, like in the UK, SETI Research Network.
	Right.
	Because we have two people on our team from there.
	We also have people from in the radio engineering area, the semiconductor area.
	These would be people that I would have met through, say, some years ago through networking.
	So the higher insight doesn't come into it.
	I think once...
	Once they know what the concept is and eventually that it's doable, then the team gradually comes together and we just carry it out what's needed so it's not a I mean we have a website it's called SETI Kingsland and you can see the team in there I think there's seven or eight or seven all right so I can put that on the screen that's helpful we
	have the public we have so we have the people in there with all the publications we have all the research going on so actually The site of Seti Kingsland will tell you an awful lot.
	Oh, all right.
	Okay, so that's very good.
	So people can go there and further research what you're doing.
	Now, I just thought of the word that they're using in the quantum area.
	As I understand it, it's called a qubit.
	So are you not using qubits?
	We're not using qubits.
	Okay.
	But you're going to go...
	You're using quantum.
	You're accessing the quantum using another kind of technology that's not qubits.
	Are you at liberty to say what is that other technology?
	Not at this stage.
	Oh, all right.
	Very interesting.
	I think once we've achieved what we have to do, then we will submit a paper dealing with the technology.
	We have a paper at the moment which is under review, Dealing with the whole concept behind all this.
	And in fact, two others in our team have co-ordered this paper with me.
	So we're hoping actually that would be published in early March.
	But it's under review at the present time.
	By who?
	This would be Acta Astronautica.
	This is a specific journal that deals with space research.
	It deals with SETI as well, extraterrestrial civilizations, communications, etc.
	So it's a very appropriate journal for scientists to submit in for that particular subject matter.
	Okay, now this organization, SETI Kingsland, is that located in Australia?
	No, this is in Ireland.
	Oh, I see.
	If you go to the contact, you'll see where the location is.
	Okay, now how many years have you been working on this again?
	Roughly about 12 years.
	Okay.
	Not necessarily the technology, but from the concept.
	The thinking behind this.
	And then gradually in time, networking, meeting others.
	They like the idea, so we all come together.
	And we do two things.
	One is, okay, the technology is one thing, which is doable, we think.
	And the second part is dealing with...
	The whole communications area.
	In other words, what do we do if we do get contact?
	Do we just leave it there?
	So there's been a lot of thinking actually how to deal with the development in the communication.
	So this is why I brought this in to do with post-contact protocols.
	Right.
	So you're spending a fair amount of time thinking along those lines.
	Is that correct?
	Yes, that's right.
	You see, we're not government funded.
	This is literally, how should I put it, some of the team have funded this, so to speak.
	This is totally private.
	We're doing this because we have a passion in this area.
	We don't have any hidden agendas regarding anything else but to achieve this.
	Okay, now we have a chat room alongside this show, and I wonder if, I know we've been going for a while, but would you mind taking a few questions from the chat?
	Yes, hopefully I'll be able to answer.
	Okay, sure.
	Well, it's completely up to you, you know, whatever you want to say, obviously, and we can take the questions and move on if they ask you a question you don't want to answer or you don't feel that you can answer.
	Now I'm going to ask the people in the chat to put your questions in all caps and at the same time, if you don't mind, also then if you can slow down the chat and put the questions only and rather than chatting among yourselves at this moment.
	So I'm sort of going to scan really quickly what has come before and see if there are any questions.
	Okay, so someone wants to know, if you receive messages, will you be able to pinpoint the location they come from?
	No.
	Unequivocally, no.
	Yes.
	And why is that exactly?
	That's not part of what you're building into the machine, or you just don't think it's possible?
	It's not possible.
	With the technology we have, the humanity has at their disposal at this time on Earth.
	Is that what you mean?
	At the present time, yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Interesting.
	Very interesting.
	So, in essence, you could be communicating with races and places where, in other words, we've got no idea where you've landed, so your message has landed, so to speak, I guess.
	That would be the initial reaction.
	We wouldn't know where they are.
	However, If we can achieve development in the communications using a whole range of protocols, then we may be in a position to find our location.
	In fact, they may even tell it to us.
	Well, of course.
	Now, I guess there is the question, because you're saying you have somebody who's sort of an expert in linguistics, but also...
	Maybe computer languages, is that correct?
	Because you really don't know how this information is going to come through, right?
	You don't know that they'll be able to communicate in English or translate into a language that they think we as humans have on our planet, right?
	Are you assuming that they're intelligent enough and advanced enough, if they do bother to reply, that they are able to kind of bridge that gap?
	Yes.
	In fact, if you have a look at, I think it's slide three, dealing with the communications between ETI and the Earth, you'll see a reference to one of our members of the team, Dr.
	John Elliott, dealing with linguistics.
	You'll see there that what may happen is that When we get the communications or the signal, then we can modify that signal and send it back to them.
	So this is one protocol that we're thinking of doing.
	Then as that develops, we're hoping, because they may be more advanced than us, Then they would actually send the signal back.
	That's the one, yes.
	I think it's slide five, yeah.
	Yeah, there is actually a paper dealing with that in Acta Astronautica in 2010.
	So they also would modify the signal, and then at the end, hopefully, we'd get this reciprocation between the two parties, and then we'd understand...
	In other words, they would speak our language, so to speak, or whatever that language might be.
	Okay.
	There's quite a reliance on the linguistics in that one, and that's where Dr.
	John Elliott comes in.
	Right.
	Now, I'm looking to see if there's any other...
	Okay, so someone wants to know, what about the notion that there could be an artificially intelligent group out there that are negatively oriented?
	In other words, that they get our signal and they come here with a negative intention.
	Have you entertained that possibility, I guess?
	Okay, dealing with artificial intelligence.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Now, if you remember, I mentioned that in order for this machine to operate, one of the key elements in it is resonance.
	Now, resonance, which is part of consciousness, so to speak.
	Artificial intelligence is not conscious.
	This is not consciousness we're dealing with.
	You could say it's a Another form of virtual reality.
	So I don't see that as an issue because what we're dealing with here, assuming we're dealing with ET civilization that is resonating through whatever technology they're using, that I don't see as an issue as artificial intelligence.
	I see it as an issue for the radio people, indeed, because that's a completely open area within the electromagnetic spectrum.
	But we're not dealing with the electromagnetic spectrum here.
	And therefore, artificial intelligence is not an issue.
	It doesn't come into the arena at all for us.
	Well, isn't this an assumption?
	Because I guess if I translate what you're saying, aren't you saying that artificial intelligence is unable to communicate through quantum, which is the complete opposite of what Geordi Rose and Elon Musk and others are saying?
	Well, that...
	Okay.
	AI... It may be possible through what technologies they're using, but in our case, because there's no disconnect from the machine, so to speak, like in the case of the D-wave and computers and so forth, we have to resonate with the machine in order for this to work.
	In other words, we have to be there in real time.
	So artificial intelligence doesn't have an entry into this at all.
	It's not conscious.
	It has to be something that's conscious and resonating.
	AI is not consciousness, so to speak.
	Computers are not conscious or has consciousness in it.
	Maybe I'm wrong, but the way we're operating would suggest that that's actually not in the equation.
	Okay.
	Is your entire team in agreement with that, that what you're devising is not accessible to AI? We have discussed this.
	It wasn't so much an agreement about it, but we have discussed this, but we didn't feel there was any issue.
	So you could take it, well, I suppose we're all in agreement that it's not in the equation.
	I'm sorry, I'm just kind of struck by that.
	I don't quite understand how, you know, and this may have to do with the technology you're working on, obviously, and maybe that's why it seems so unbelievable.
	But when we're dealing, you're aware of the 5G, right?
	You're aware of this effort to, you know, basically the world of things to...
	That they basically understand that AI can jump from really a toaster to a computer, etc., etc.
	It jumps through space, in theory, time.
	So if it can do that, what's to stop it from any machine?
	I mean, I don't care what it's made of.
	Even if it qualifies for what you call a machine, can be infected, in theory, I would think, or be a carrier for AI, as I understand it.
	Now, do you have a completely different understanding of it, or is it the nature of the Technology that you're saying, because I don't know if you know about the Black Knight satellite, but there is a technology which is an old school technology that the British put into what's called the Black Knight satellites that are up there that can't be,
	they think, can't be interfered with by AI, and they purposely used an old-fashioned method of technology in that space.
	And they, I guess, shielded it in certain ways.
	And it's been going around our Earth for many, many years, from my understanding.
	And there's at least three of them, at least the information I have.
	So are you familiar with Black Knight, or Dark Knight?
	I forget which it's called.
	But, you know, in other words, is that what you're saying?
	You're claiming that Because this sounds like advanced.
	It's quantum.
	So, I mean, there is some discussion as to how AI can travel through space and time and whether or not it can latch into various machinery.
	But how is it that this thing will be above and beyond AI? Wow, that's quite a question.
	I mean, you don't have to have the answer.
	I mean, I think we're in a...
	Like you said, we're in unknown territory.
	But...
	If you can be so sure, it sounds like you're quite sure it can't be interfered with.
	And I'm wondering, how is that possible?
	You can be so sure about that.
	I'll show you that in.
	OK, as I said, this has come up in discussions or right here.
	We can't really see an issue regarding this.
	I must admit we haven't sort of developed our thinking in that whole area dealing with AI as a possibility of interference with our system.
	The consensus opinion with our team is that we can't see it interfering at all.
	Well, let me say, you're human.
	Do you think it can interfere with you, with a human?
	Have you come to that conclusion at all?
	That's quite possible.
	So if you're interacting with a machine and you're interfered with vis-a-vis AI, then in theory it could go through you and into this process anyway in some form or fashion by using you as an instrument, right?
	Well, what you're saying there regarding the 5G and the AI, yeah, it is possible.
	Yeah, I do agree with you on that.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I mean, it's a very interesting area of sort of contemplation anyway, possibly investigation.
	And I understand, you know, these are not, I kind of get the feeling that what you're doing is you're sort of on a road trying to develop this machine and you're not really thinking about all the sort of ways and means that it could be interfered with necessarily.
	Yeah.
	I think the sound actually went off there for a few seconds.
	Oh, you're not concerned with the ways and means of interference with your machine.
	You're more involved with just developing it.
	Am I correct on that?
	Well, what's important actually is to be informed with all these other technologies and tools that are used and just take a note of these things and You know, if we think something might interfere with us, then we'll just have to address that issue.
	But we're not naive regarding, you know, all these technologies that are bound, you know, throughout the world.
	But we, how shall I put it?
	It's like, if I was to absorb all the stuff that happens all over the place, I wouldn't get anything done at all.
	I just...
	I'd be in such fear that I wouldn't even start this whole project.
	But at the moment, the consensus with our team is, you know, who are also informed about all these things, is that, look, we just carry on what we have to do, and that's what we're doing.
	Right.
	Okay, so if we have a timeline, I'm going to let go shortly, but can you tell us, hypothetically, because people will want to probably...
	I'd like to know what your progress is and I'd like to know if you're going to make an announcement like say a few weeks in advance before you turn this thing on so that we can be poised and are you going to tell the United Nations we're going to turn this on and we could get contact instantaneously?
	Are you going to prepare people for this thing or are you just going to turn it on and then see what happens?
	Oh, well, once the second machine is developed and we have it operational, okay, some of the other SETI scientists that we'll share this with, after that, the main thing is actually making the discovery.
	I feel there's no point actually Go into all the detail with media about what we're up to.
	Okay, so you're not...
	And what about the United Nations?
	You're not going to tell them before you turn it on.
	You're going to turn it on and see what happens.
	Oh, yeah.
	This has nothing to do with the UN. This is the research that we're carrying out with our team.
	And...
	You know, we've got to publish papers.
	You know, we're trying to be acceptable to the scientific community.
	And in order to do that, we, you know, present material, we submit papers.
	And so we're...
	But again, if it's instantaneous, you turn it on and you made it clear to me in the prior interview, as I understood it, that when you turn it on, it could be instantaneous.
	Yes, that's correct.
	So you won't have time to do all that before you necessarily have to go through protocols of how do you reply.
	Well, isn't that true?
	Well, that's why we've spent some time in the preparations for this with our team, developing algorithms in the event of contact being made.
	What I'm sharing here is the post-contact protocols.
	In other words, in plain language, that because it's in real-time, this may be...
	If I didn't do this, what I'm sharing here now, today, is that this would be an issue much later on.
	You know, like we said, we got First Congress made official, but then it's in real-time.
	It could be a problem for other entities out there, so to speak.
	So I'm being quite transparent, making this proposal of post-contact protocols, how we should do it.
	I'm always suggesting this.
	And so I will be presenting this, as I said, in a couple of conferences coming up early this year.
	Right.
	Are you in talks with someone at the United Nations over this?
	No.
	Not at all.
	So they're not going to see your presentation necessarily, unless they watch my channel.
	Yeah, then watch your channel.
	In fact, they might even...
	I mean, the UK Study Research Network has a website.
	I think they show the various presentations from, say, the previous meeting.
	So all my stuff is there for the last few years.
	You know, all these presentations, which is led up to this point in time.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, it's, you know, I appreciate you coming on.
	I appreciate your patience with all my questions.
	And I think you can appreciate that this is the way you're going about this and the fact that we can't quite get a grasp on even the technology that you're using because this is...
	As you say, it's unpatented, but it's different and new in theory.
	One last question before I let you go.
	Are you using any of the Tesla sort of information or technologies?
	Partly.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, that's interesting.
	So, okay.
	Well, how can people contact you?
	Would it be through the Kingsland...
	Okay, the website is setikingsland.org and we have the contact details there.
	Alright, very good.
	Alright, well thank you very much.
	I'm very glad we were able to do this and I think it's quite fascinating what your endeavor is.
	I certainly have a different point of view in approaching it, but I can see where you guys are coming from, and obviously very well-intentioned at any rate.
	So I guess we'll see.
	So any possible time when you think possibly you might be ready to launch, so to speak?
	This year, 2018.
	Okay.
	After that, let's hope we get first contact.
	Okay, very good.
	All right.
	So thank you very much, Eamon, and we'll be back in touch with you.
	All right?
	And your audience has these 20 slides, which will clarify a lot of the discussion that we've been dealing with.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	And it'll probably answer some of the questions that That I didn't actually answer, which the answers are actually there in the proposal.
	Okay.
	Well, thank you again.
	I really appreciate it.
	And I think people can understand that this is quite a complex endeavor that you're involved in and that it really has a lot going on with it.
	So there is a PowerPoint.
	It's already been embedded on my website under the Eman Anspro website.
	And it will continue to be there.
	So you can look at it there.
	And then, of course, get in touch with him through the Kingsland contact form.
	So thank you very much.
	And take care, everyone.
	Have a great weekend.
	And goodbye, Eamon.
	Take care.
	Bye-bye, Carrie.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Bye-bye.
	So very fascinating to see, you know, where this kind of endeavor is going.
	And it's I appreciated that it's not my normal approach to the subject, but I think it's still valuable, you know, because there is value in seeing how the other half lives, so to speak,
	and how they think about things and what they are, you know, I guess some of the people watching this may be in touch with family members who are scientists and so on, who actually live in this same world where They see that they don't necessarily believe in the secret space program information.
	They don't know about, they haven't seen all the evidence.
	They haven't paid attention to the military.
	Industrial complex and the secret space program going in this direction, etc.
	Which is astonishing to me that there is even a disconnect here on planet Earth about all of this.
	But nonetheless, this is the world we live in.
	So it's worth having a dialogue, opening a dialogue, if you will, with people that do inhabit this sort of other mindset and sort of going down that road with them And again, it's because I met Eamon Ansborough at the Ireland Conference and I was impressed by, you know, the seriousness with which they're approaching it and very idealistic as well.
	It's like if there was another timeline and another Earth in which we hadn't been visited for eons and genetically re-engineered, etc., that these kinds of protocols and these kinds of outreach Possibly would be an endeavor that someone or a group of humans might be involved in.
	And so that's kind of the way I think about it.
	So all right.
	Well, thank you for watching.
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