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Jan. 23, 2018 - Project Camelot
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ANTHONY PATCH - CERN, THE SINGULARITY AND AI
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Hi, everyone.
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.
And after some technical difficulties, as usual, we are live and we've got Anthony actually Didn't think that was going to happen, so we're very happy about that.
So tonight I have Anthony Patch with me and I'm very happy to have him on the show.
I've been reading a lot of his work and listening to various interviews he's done.
I think this will be right in keeping with some of the other work that I've been doing lately and also actually along the lines of a book I'm writing.
So I'm very happy to get your input and so I'm going to bring you here on the screen and what I'll do is as I do that I'll also bring your short bio here that I have set up here and just Read through it really quickly and highlight some of the things here and then ask you to augment it.
So Anthony Patch, since 1969, is a Christian believer and a published author, researcher, and speaker.
He is best known for his extensive leading edge and revelatory research focused on the experimentation underway in Geneva, Switzerland with the Large Hadron Collider.
Part of the CERN organization.
Following a 27-year career as a paramedic out of Oakland, California, Anthony embarked on an over 20-year research into quantum physics, quantum computing, and artificial intelligence, and DNA modification.
Since publishing his first book, Covert Catastrophe, in 2013, Followed in 2014 and by 2048, Diamonds in the Rough, and in 2016, a nonfiction book, Revising Reality.
Anthony has appeared on numerous radio programs, including Ground Zero Radio with Clyde Lewis and John B. Wells on Caravan to Midnight.
He is host of the Anthony Pat Show, I've heard daily since mid-2016.
Gotta tune into that.
And Anthony is founder and editor of Entangled Magazine, which I've been reading some of those very interesting articles, published monthly since June 2017.
So that's a pretty succinct bio, but Anthony, can you augment it a bit?
I'm really curious, why did you suddenly stop in midstream your career as paramedic and decide to go in the direction of AI, CERN, etc.?
Yeah, great question.
Actually, it's 27 years, so I pretty much run its course.
Physically, it can be very demanding and So I chose to retire, and then I've always had an interest in science.
And I was exposed to CERN when I was in the U.S. military, in the Army, in West Germany in the 70s, and was responsible for some nuclear warheads we had there called the W-70.
And during my training, I was introduced, if you will, to CERN, which was basically over the hill from West Germany in Geneva, Switzerland.
I'm fascinated by the science of it, the physics, the engineering, and then along about 2010, early 2011, I began to see what I would call more of the ominous, the nefarious side, the spiritual side, if you will, to what was going on at CERN. But the science has always been fascinating to me.
So as a paramedic, though, it's not like a no-brainer necessarily that you make a transition into this area.
Did you have a background or did you have to teach yourself sort of, you know, are you a coder?
How did you really get into the technical?
Well, again, it's a matter of really wanting to know the deeper aspects of particle physics and specifically quantum mechanics.
And I had always read this and had always been self-taught in the area because of my interest as a hobby.
But it really ramped up in about 2010 when I realized that there was something more going on there than just the fascinating machinery 300 feet below the ground.
And so I am a self-taught researcher.
I don't claim to be a physicist.
I don't claim to have that, you know, PhD or anything to that level.
But what I am able to do is to understand and translate what most people would consider to be very arcane, high-end physics or science in general and translate the language.
It isn't necessary to know the mathematics.
It isn't necessary to understand trigonometry and coding and...
Calculus.
Really, all you need to do is understand the concepts and the processes.
So what I focused on were the peer-reviewed papers from the laboratories, from the universities.
And if I didn't understand something, I would dig deeper.
And that really is just the essence of being self-taught in quantum mechanics and particle physics, DNA and quantum computing.
It sounds very esoteric.
But if people have the time, if they have the persistence, they can read these papers.
They can use a dictionary.
They can use Wikipedia.
You can use the internet to translate these words, to translate the processes, to begin to understand it.
But you do have to have an interest, and you do have to be persistent.
And that's really the summation of how my process has worked.
I did go to the University of California at Berkeley.
But I never achieved a degree in particle physics or quantum mechanics.
It's just self-taught.
Okay.
So you also have a background in, you know, I don't know what you want to call it.
It sounds like you're a bit of a biblical scholar.
Would you call yourself that?
Well, I'm a Christian believer and, you know, I've, through the grace of God, been saved.
I wouldn't say I'm a biblical scholar.
I am one who tries to study diligently and daily.
But I do have, I think, a fair grasp of the scriptures insofar as what the Holy Spirit has led me to.
I never hold myself out to be anything special or to be a prophet or anything like that, but simply, again, a student.
And, you know, the Holy Spirit does lead you to the things that the Lord wants to show you, and that really is what underscores the research into the science.
I believe he led me into it.
Okay.
Now, there's so many things to cover, and I hope you're going to bear with me tonight, because I also believe that a lot of the interviews you've done, whereas they're very good, a lot of times there's a lot of questions left unanswered.
So I'm going to try to drill down in various ways that might be a little different or unorthodox.
I love that.
I appreciate the fresh questions.
Okay, great.
And I know you're a bit familiar with my work, and so it won't be too much of a surprise to you.
So what led you down the road?
You say you've been saved.
Was there an incident that changed your life in some way that, you know, if this isn't too private, that led you to be, as you call it, saved?
Well, it's all part of the testimony, as with many Christians, and I actually, without any real drama, when I was 16, I was led to the Lord.
But we all have our ups and downs through life, and you end up going through a lot of anguish, and you reach a point of anguish, and that's what I did personally.
I went through a real tough divorce.
That led me to a lot of introspection and reflecting back upon the scriptures, which I dug into, and There is kind of an interesting anecdote, I suppose, in that I never intended to broadcast or to be a public person with my belief, and I certainly never planned to be an author.
But one day, the Holy Spirit impressed upon me that I needed to take all of the research I'd been doing for over 20 years, and even before that, at more of a hobbyist level, and begin to actually coalesce that into my first novel.
Again, I had no intention of doing that.
But I'll describe to you what is, I would say, kind of a personal note.
And that is, and it will sound very odd, but again, I know your work and I know your guests.
I had the physical sensation of what I describe as a switch being thrown in my mind, physically in my brain.
And it was at that very moment I was sitting in front of my computer and I began to write.
And I found it a fascinating journey.
And I would spend 10 to 12 hours continuously per day writing and not knowing where the story was going to lead to, nor which characters would be coming to life.
I found it thoroughly entertaining, but it was an opportunity to fold in the research.
And that's the essence of my testimony.
It was a point of anguish due to personal crisis in terms of a rough divorce.
And a re-evaluation and a re-assessment.
And here I am today.
I never thought I'd be here doing this.
Okay, well, yeah, that's very interesting.
I was just talking to another person.
Patricia Corey was on my show.
She's an author as well.
And she...
She considers herself a channeler.
And she actually said something similar happened to her.
In other words, that she never planned to write.
She all of a sudden got this, sort of had this experience.
And people can watch my interview with her to see.
But it is quite interesting when someone has sort of a A sort of shocking change or a very abrupt change that happens nearly overnight.
And I think some of that can be accompanied by a Kundalini awakening.
And I'm wondering if you're familiar with that terminology, if you know what I'm talking about, and whether or not you would acknowledge that that might be part of the process you were going through at that time.
Not for me.
It was purely driven by God, by the Holy Spirit, through Jesus Christ.
In the moment of anguish, which is really critical to, I think, being saved, is you reach a point of crisis where you give up control of your life.
You give up your control of everything that you feel like you had control of.
And really, what I said was, Lord, I know that you're with me.
I know that I'm indwelt with the Holy Spirit.
I know that I've strayed away, and I'm turning back to you, and I'm turning my life over to you.
That's the moment when this sensation occurred.
And I'm familiar with the Kundalini, but my Christian belief does not allow for that.
I view that as something that is, and I don't mean to offend anyone, but I'm going to be bold and blunt about it.
I consider it to be from a demonic, Luciferian, satanic source.
I don't believe that channeling is something that we should be participating in because I believe that it is communicating with demonic spirits.
And this is very clear in scripture, that we are not to participate in the crafts.
We're not to participate in necromancy and geomancy and things of that nature.
We are to avoid contact of any type with familiar spirits.
And that's what I view the Kundalini to be, is a channeling with evil spirits.
And again, there are other people with other beliefs, and I respect that.
My belief system says have absolutely nothing to do with the kundalini-driven spirit form of communication.
Okay.
Well, I do appreciate your point of view, although kundalini has nothing to do with spirit communication.
It's actually a physical process, and you have it whether you like it or not.
So it involves what are called the chakras and the chakra system, which is simply part of the human body.
You know, it's like saying you don't believe in your eyesight.
But, you know, at any rate, this discussion is not about that.
So you don't recognize it as that.
You recognize it in another way as a communication with what you consider to be the Holy Spirit.
And at this point, that seems to have meshed very completely, I guess, with your approach to science or approach to these, what are More or less in the purview of science, which is quantum physics and what's going on at CERN, etc.
So when you did your research, were you researching the science?
Were you putting it through this sort of filter of religion?
And do you sort of acknowledge that if you were doing such, that perhaps you may be...
Missing things because when you have a prejudice in one direction or another and you're trying to learn something, it could interfere or it could put a slant on it.
So I'm not saying that it has.
I'm just, you know, inquiring because I find it very interesting that you would be having this point of view with regard to the Holy Scriptures, etc.
And at the same time, you're Open-minded enough to delve in deeply into the science.
So do you see any kind of disconnect there at all?
No, quite the opposite.
It's amazing because it's all part of God's construct.
People refer to the matrix or they'll say that, you know, we are living in a computer-generated simulation, things like that.
You know, the spiritual and physical cannot be separated.
They work hand-in-hand.
And therefore, under God's plan, under His master plan, as the Creator, as I view this, and I am quite prejudiced.
I am quite filtered through the vision, the lens of the Holy Spirit, and I openly acknowledge that.
There's no disconnect between science and what God has created and my belief system either.
It's fascinating you bring this up because usually interviewers avoid this, and I don't Avoid nothing.
I'm open to all the questions and you know, I understand the Kundalini process in terms of the spinal cord and the chakras and the opening of the Third eye and all of those things.
I don't understand them as a practitioner.
I just understand them from an awareness level But I also understand that much of what is occurring in science is the science of the craft.
That's what technology from the Greek It's translated to.
It's the science of the craft.
And it has its origins and roots in alchemy, which has its mechanism in what I mentioned earlier, which is geomancy and necromancy.
And if you look, and I'll be very succinct with my answers, if you look at, for example, geomancy, which is the divination of supposed random marks in the soil and divined or interpreted by a skilled master in Geomancy has 16 binary figures, 16 geomantic figures.
This is a binary system.
This is the root of binary quantum computing and transistor-based computing.
It is the system that is the origin of computer programming.
Isn't it also the origin of language?
Certainly.
Okay, so you don't consider language to be, as you say, the craft, do you?
The word, you're very interested in the word.
You know, the symbols are interpreted in one way and they can be, I think what you're doing is you're also applying this to obviously the ones and zeros, you know, what we're talking about coding and what we call a matrix.
But at the same time, language and the word Is reliant on this type of symbolism in order to even have been created, right?
This goes back to Hebrew.
I think it's the early Hebrew, right?
I don't know if you're familiar with the work of Stan Tenen?
No.
Okay.
He's somebody who studied the sort of origin of those symbols in the Hebrew language, etc., and how language affects the world.
You can also, just this is a side note, but are you aware of the sort of what you might call the power of language?
In other words, that you can actually draw a symbol on something and that it can contain Sure, much like a sigil.
Okay.
And did you study the occult?
Because I noticed that you use some of the terminology that you find in occult literature from time to time.
Is this also something you studied alongside your interest in, you know, CERN and AI and all of this?
Were you guided to do that as well?
Yeah, again, it's to be aware and to understand the basics, but not to be a practitioner.
Certainly.
Well, I did the same thing at a very young age, actually.
So I think knowing your enemy is an important part of this sort of story we've got going on here.
So with this, you say you admit to a certain prejudice, but at the same time you think that the science was accessible to you and is accessible to you.
So when you got into learning about, I guess, I'm not sure where exactly to start, but a lot of people jumped to Giordi Rose because that's the most easy place to go into D-Wave and so on.
Did you...
Were you aware of what was going on in CERN as accessing portals to other dimensions as related to D-Wave and did you know of those two things simultaneously or did you learn of one before you learned of the other?
No, I learned of CERN as I said back in the 70s in my military training and then coming forward.
D-Wave was founded in 1999 and Came into the public arena in terms of their first prototypes around 2003.
So along about 2010, I became very much aware of what D-Wave was involved in.
The actual connections between D-Wave and their activities with quantum computers and the quantum particle physics that was going on, the quantum mechanics at CERN, That connection only was realized by myself about almost two years ago.
And since then, there have been numerous articles published both out of CERN and out of D-Wave absolutely professing the connection.
Specifically, there was a recent, about eight months ago, an article out of CERN in which they indicated that they were working in collaboration with D-Wave for the reconfirmation of the Higgs boson, which was Allegedly discovered in 2012 and confirmed in mid-2013.
And they asked D-Wave to use their quantum computers to reconfirm the luminosity, if you will, the data that is generated from collisions, because it is such a waterfall of data that results from these collisions that they...
Actually distribute that information to about 160 different laboratories and universities around the world to handle the data load and to do the interpretive work.
So D-Wave did reconfirm the Higgs boson, the so-called God particle.
I think that still that there is only about a 90% probability that they actually realized the discovery of such a prima facie The primordial or, if you will, god particle that in their scenario, the Big Bang,
which I don't hold to, was one of the first primary primordial particles, if you will, that supposedly gave rise to all matter that developed during the subsequent timeframe of the Big Bang.
Okay, well, I'm in agreement with you that the Big Bang is not how the multiverse came into creation, but I'm wondering, you do characterize, let's see, communication through D-Wave,
as I've been listening to your other interviews, and also communication You talk about geomancy and necromancy and this as communication with the dead, as you put it.
And I'm wondering, what do you mean by that?
Who are the dead if they're not beings?
You know, in other words, they're not dead.
They're alive.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm wondering what you mean when you say, because you seem to consider that a very bad thing.
And yet, in essence, what we're really talking about is communication with spirits.
And you recognize the Holy Spirit.
So how do you draw these lines between what you consider is dead and what you consider is living and whether you should communicate with it or not?
Well, the dead result in spirits, both what we would consider holy spirits or spirits in heaven and spirits that are in Hades.
And specifically, they're communicating with the leadership of the spirits because, as you know, there's a stratification within the demonic realm.
And specifically, they're communicating with the fallen angels.
Now, as a touchpoint on that statement, if we look at the work in the late 1500s of John Dee and Edward Kelly, in which they were using geomancy and necromancy, they were communicating and receiving a spoken and written language,
an alphabetic language, and they were also receiving mathematical formulae for the alchemic process of manipulating The formulae that design the geometry in which you are performing this alchemic process of, most people would refer to the changing of lead into gold, but it goes much further than that.
So, in Dee and Kelly's works, it's very apparent that they acknowledge, as did Aleister Crowley, that they were communicating with the higher levels of these spirits, the fallen angel leadership.
Okay, and when you call them fallen angels, who are you referring to?
Can you be more specific?
Are you familiar, for example, with Zacharias Sitchin's work about the Anunnaki, and do you consider them fallen angels?
Who are you considering fallen angels?
Well, there are lists of names of the fallen angels.
I don't have that in front of me that we could consider, but they are the angels that were In possession of specific types of information, specific type of craft information, scientific information that was considered to be forbidden knowledge, knowledge that was not to be shared with mankind.
Just one second here.
Who had decided it was not?
Who are you believing is telling you that should not be shared with mankind?
The Word of God.
Okay, now do you believe that God came down in a body and wrote the Bible?
You don't believe the white men that got together and all the disinfo that's in the Bible?
You don't believe that it was rewritten many times and that there were certain men that took it over?
I mean, this is known.
I'm sure that you are aware that the Bible has been distorted, right?
Sure.
There have been many translations.
There have been many canons that have been removed for the purpose of Deception and for control over peoples and societies, and I understand all of that.
But still, this is an inspired work from the Lord, from God Himself.
Before Jesus Christ was crucified and then we were given through grace the Holy Spirit, prior to that in the Old Testament times, all of this is God-inspired inscription that is given to men.
To record.
And yes, there are a lot of canons that have been removed that we don't have the benefit of.
But I believe in my relationship, and it's a personal relationship with the Lord, that what does remain is enough for us.
Because what is really more important is our personal relationship through prayer.
The Word is there to teach us and to guide us.
And there's enough of it left.
Certainly, to guide us and lead us to living a God-like, a Christ-like life.
It's unfortunate that we've lost a lot of that information, and some of it, like with the Dead Sea Scrolls, has been produced.
But I think what people need to focus upon, at least I do, in my opinion, is what I call a walking conversation.
It is your personal relationship through prayer.
And that's really the essence of what we need now, We are commanded to study the Scriptures, absolutely, even in their form, even in their distorted forms.
But the Holy Spirit will reveal to you through discernment what is truth and what is missing, and He will guide you and add to.
There's so much that is left that we don't even study right now that what we have lost is, I would consider, insignificant compared to what we still have.
Okay, but if it's telling you what to do and what not to do, and you're believing it, and then you're following that, it's telling you that you're not supposed to...
I'm not sure, it sounds like you've studied the craft, but you are not practicing, so there's a distinction there.
In other words, how do you know that what you're being told is any more true than if it's coming from so-called demons?
Other entities that aren't necessarily negative, angels who aren't necessarily positive, and I'm not sure whether you understand that or would agree with that.
Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
In other words, you're making your own distinction here.
So this would also apply to whether, for example, I know I'm hearing a lot of people say Geordi Rose is a Satanist, and they think he's a Satanist because he's bringing in information from another dimension.
And that seems to be quite a leap, in my view, because, well, my view is that we are always bringing in information from other dimensions, whether we have a D-Wave machine or not.
And so, how do you make that distinction?
Well, again, this is the reason that I spend so many hours on the radio laying the foundation Giving all of the definitive works and giving the actual recordings playing on the radio, the actual recordings of Cordy Rose himself making presentations, scientific presentations to a scientific audience in which he is bringing in things from the spiritual aspect.
And it seems rather interesting, to say the least, that if you're addressing a group of programmers and researchers and scientists and engineers, Why would a man bring in a discussion references to things like H.P. Lovecraft and the return of the great old ones?
Not as an allegory, but his actual statement being reflected in my entangled magazine, I provide the transcript of his own words from multiple presentations that he has made so that I'm acting as an accurate reporter of his own words and letting the audience Come to their own conclusions beyond the conclusions and statements that I make about it, my interpretation.
I let his own words speak for themselves.
And when he is talking about the return of the great old ones and his love and fascination of the works of H.P. Lovecraft and in his own personal website, which I spent two entire shows, four hours, dissecting his website.
Okay, but all of this is well and good, except that the D-Wave machine and accessing other dimensions does not belong to Geordie Rose alone.
Yes, it does.
If we're focusing on Geordie, we're focusing on his words.
And he said in 2013 to a scientific body in the audience...
But they were at that time with the 512 model computer, 512 cubits, they were accessing 2 to the 500th power of parallel dimensions.
And he said, if we are smart enough and clever enough, we can access these parallel dimensions and we can extract from them resources and bring them back into our reality.
Now, that's nearly verbatim of what he said.
I'm not being defensive.
No, I understand.
I'm being emphatic here.
I understand, but in other words...
I cite his own words.
Okay, that's his perception of something that's happening scientifically with regard to the machine that other men built, actually.
So, I appreciate that you're using his overlay, but to rely only on his overlay I think would be a big mistake.
It would be like someone who deals with free...
Free energy.
That's why I went to his personal website and looked at his belief system.
Right.
But why does his belief system even matter?
I mean, seriously, it's a machine.
Why does Geordi's belief system matter?
Because he is the one who is the spokesperson.
He is the one that is working now with Kindred, which is a robotics company, and now with Sanctuary, which is the AI component of this, and they all tie together.
Now, I'm not here to defend or to slander Forty Rose.
I'm simply saying, why would a scientist, a PhD-level scientist in quantum mechanics, in particle physics, why would he even make reference to the spiritual side?
That's the question I always pose to the audience.
Well, actually, okay.
Now, I'm wondering about parallel dimensions and other dimensions.
Do you consider that there are other dimensions?
There are other realms which are reflections like a hall of mirrors, reflections of our own reality.
I don't believe that there are multiple dimensions out there.
Okay, well that's interesting because in a certain sense we're saying the same thing, you just are choosing different words.
Sure, I'm choosing different words because I have a little bit different perspective than most people that look at science and Most people don't even bother to try to define the words or look at the history of the words, look at the cultural references that even Gordy Rose and other scientists put out there.
I mean, if we look at Sergio Bertolini from CERN back in 2008-2009, he's talking about opening doorways to other dimensions and They're not sure what's going to come back through.
This is communication.
These are scientists talking about such things.
I understand we're getting a bit stuck here, but I do want to say that if you're accessing and you're using the word realms or you're accessing dimensions, it sounds like a very similar thing to me.
And why does it matter whether you call it a dimension or a realm?
Well I think because if we're talking about dimensions, it portrays that there are multiple universes, that there are other layers or dimensions or facets to even our one universe, that if there are multiple universes, then there may be multiple copies of what we consider our singular universe.
And does that mean you don't believe that there are, and therefore you won't talk about it?
I mean, are you saying that you don't think that there are multiple dimensions?
I do not believe that there's anything beyond the three dimensions in Euclidean geometry, with the fourth being time as a dimension.
Beyond that, I think that this is merely a construct of mainstream science, to believe that there are other dimensions In a geometric shape.
If we think in terms of geometry, I don't believe there's more than the four dimensions.
And even time is irrelevant.
Time only exists because it is a yardstick of measurement for the human mind for us to be able to grasp our reality in terms of linear time.
But God and Jesus Christ are outside of time.
So we can even, if you will, remove that fourth dimension, leaving the three that we can actually interact with.
Now, parallel dimensions and realms, I consider realms to be, there are two.
There's the heavenly realm and there's the demonic or Hades or hell realm.
I think there are only two realms.
And when they talk about accessing parallel dimensions, they're actually seeing reflections of our singular universe, our singular reality, our singular realm, much like a Hall of Mirrors.
Okay, so are you aware that Albert Einstein believed that there were at least five dimensions?
And many people will say there are 11 dimensions.
Up to 54 and perhaps even more.
There are people that will talk about the many world scenarios, string theory, wormholes, all of that sort of thing.
Are you saying this is based on your religious sort of learnings?
In other words, your study, because you took this information from the Bible, you believe it tells you there is not other dimensions.
Is that what you believe?
I believe there's heaven and there's hell and that's it.
Okay, well that's an interesting way of looking at it.
Okay, so let's make a jump.
First of all, what do you think besides apparently trying to create or find a God particle, whether they have or not can of course be disagreed with or discussed at length, but what else do you think CERN is involved in doing?
Well, they're involved in an awful lot.
If we take our cue from Sergio Bertolini again, and we take a look at the statements by Dr.
Stephen Hawking, acknowledging this whole concept of opening a doorway to another dimension, and we can just, they only talk about one dimension in these statements.
And Hawking's saying that that's not a good idea, that we should not be opening this doorway because we do not know what will come through.
Same thing that Bertolini said, but Bertolini was putting it in a benevolent fashion, whereas Hawking was trying to warn us not to do it.
So that's one major aspect.
The other has to do with, back to D-Wave, has to do with the actual quantum mechanics that are studied and the results being passed from CERN to D-Wave, which now results in the quantum computer comprised of qubits.
In which they're steadily increasing by base 2 mathematics the number of qubits every year.
And the issue is CERN is involved in a lot more than simply discovering new particles.
They are also responsible for quantum computing.
Okay, so can you give us a definition of what you think, what you consider quantum to be?
Sure.
In simple terms, if you imagine our solar system and the orbits of our planets and the space between a planet and its orbital pathway and the sun itself.
The sun is the nucleus.
Let's take an electron, for example, as a planet, and it is orbiting.
And if you impart enough energy on a planet or on the electron, for example, or a proton...
Such that you are able to increase two things.
One, its rate of spin and even influences direction of spin.
But let's focus on its rate of spin and also the speed at which it is orbiting in its pathway.
If you impart enough energy onto a quantum particle, which is what an electron or proton is, the part of a atom, you increase the spin and the speed.
To a point where it reaches a critical tipping point, meaning it will suddenly jump from one orbital pathway to a wider orbital pathway, a larger circumference of a orbital pathway.
That gap between the two orbital pathways is the quantum.
So when you hear the phrase quantum leap, It is this sudden movement from one pathway to another due to the imparting of energy.
Okay, would you say that it's the same thing as the sort of, if you want to say it's like an invisible thing, but simultaneously we are particles and waves.
So there's some place at which you go from being a particle to a wave, in theory, and is that the quantum?
You could say that.
What we're really focusing on is an increase in energy, as I said.
You're talking about the theory of wave-particle duality, in which you can be a particle at the same time that you can be a wave.
The characteristics of a particle can have simultaneously the characteristics of a wave and vice versa.
But in terms of what we consider to be a quantum leap, We're looking at something in which there's a distinct change from purely energy, which would be a wave, to purely a particle that can be measured and interacted with.
And that's another state of energy.
Everything is still energy.
Even a particle or matter itself really is nothing more than An alternate form of a wave.
Now, how can you have both?
It depends upon your measurement tools, how you measure and interact with energy as a wave and how you measure and interact with a particle.
They both have a dual state of energy.
But in going from one to another and dealing with quantum, are you considering, in a certain sense, it also does sound as if you're going into another dimension.
It's leaping, in fact.
We would even say perhaps that could be a good description of going interstellar as well or jumping in space-time.
So are you saying this is necessarily a negative thing?
In your view?
No, not at all.
Okay, so you don't see that the creation of quantum computers as necessarily a negative?
No, it's how you use it.
It's just like any other tool or implement or discovery in science.
There's always the ability, which the military-industrial complex loves to do with technology, with advancements in science, is to weaponize it.
You don't have to weaponize something, but The quantum computer itself, because of its origins and geomancy, which we just described and defined what its purpose was, the quantum computer, therefore, by design, is intended as a communication device.
Now, who you're communicating with, as we talked about, is important to identify.
And therefore, who you're communicating with, what information you're receiving in that communication, is important to identify.
Short answer is quantum computers have been weaponized.
They do not need to be weaponized.
They can be used for benevolent purposes if they are communicating with the proper, let's say, audience.
Okay, well, in the process of going from a particle to a wave or leaping, you know, in space, sending an electron so quickly that it actually leaps from one place to another.
And so it kind of crosses the time-space barrier in a sense.
Is not necessarily a negative in your view.
So it would seem that, actually, why do you think, if you think it's at the same time a communication device, that you should be limited or be even able to limit what you bring in or where you go from there?
Because, of course, this is kind of a...
Advanced area of new science, so to speak, where humans don't really know where they're going to go, who they're going to communicate with, and what's going to happen as a result.
In other words, well, from my point of view, we're doing this anyway, and it's the nature of the human vehicle to be able to do this.
And certainly, Holy Spirit, as you call it, and other people might call it other things, has that same ability.
In other words, who are you to say that you can and can't let in certain information or things or communicate with certain places and not others?
In other words, do you think there's a line in space that you can determine Who you're communicating with before you do it?
In other words, where are you going with that?
Because I don't see...
I understand you want limitation.
I understand that desire to have limitation.
But I don't think it exists.
It seems like the nature of quantum, in essence, is that you do not have, necessarily, limitation.
And I don't know if you know of a scientist named, say, Eamon Ansbrough, I think I'm saying his name right.
I interviewed him in Ireland and he's an astronomer.
And he's got a machine that he is trying to, in essence, use quantum to communicate with He doesn't know.
He's going out into the universe, so to speak.
And he hopes to get an answer back.
So he's sending out a simultaneous quantum kind of pulse, I guess you might call it, and expects to get something in return.
I've actually contacted him to see.
He's supposed to have already done this.
So I don't know if his machine was successful or not.
And I don't know if he reached anything or if anything came back.
But how is it that you think That you can limit this or that scientists could limit it, any scientist for that matter.
Well, let's start with the Holy Spirit and discernment.
In other words, if you have the Holy Spirit, then you understand the process and you understand the limitations of who you're supposed to be communicating with.
Your guideline is the scripture, the Holy Spirit, is using the written word of the Bible To guide you and show you what you should and should not be doing.
Now specifically it says not to seek out communicating with spirits, with the demonic spirits, with the employing the craft Which I would consider the employment of either this astronomer's device that he's developed or the D-Wave computer to be the essence of technology, which is the science of the craft, a craft that is employed for spiritual communication.
And it is employed because it's targeting, not God.
If you're not targeting communication with God, if you're not targeting communication through the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ, if you're not targeting God and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ, the Holy Trinity, by default, you are targeting Satan and his minions.
And that is very clear.
There's no departure from that.
There's no gray area.
It's either the light or the dark.
Okay.
Now, what I want to ask you along those lines is, since you think it's so very clear, what do you consider the creator to encompass?
In other words, is the creator not light and dark?
You don't believe that you believe some things are owned or created by the creator and other things are owned and created by something else?
Well, there's the single Godhead God creator who created Good and evil.
He created Satan.
He is but a tool of God to serve God under God's overarching plan.
Now, I did some webinars with Kathleen Urquhart, and we laid out very clearly that in a way that is a touchpoint tangible for people to wrap their heads around, Satan makes six to seven moves, but God has already made eight moves ahead of him.
Satan is but a tool.
He is so insignificant in comparison.
But God, to answer your question directly, created both good and evil.
And he uses evil for his purposes to turn people to God.
To worship, to have a personal relationship with him.
He created us for the purpose of communing with us, of having a personal relationship.
That's why he created us.
If we depart from that, then we suffer the consequences, which is judgment, which takes the form of judgment coming through Satan as a tool.
Okay, so you believe in a punishing creator.
He is first benevolent and loving, or we still would not even be here with the things that we as mankind throughout history have done to ourselves.
And have caused grief to our Creator.
He should have winked us out of existence a long time ago.
But He loves us.
That's the overarching.
Everything that runs through our existence and our reality is because of the power of His love.
If He was not first benevolent, we would not be here.
Okay, so in terms of the secret space program, do you acknowledge that there is a secret space program?
I have my suspicions that there is, but I have no hard evidence to it.
And UFOs and the whole discussion of a secret space program and whether UFOs are craft that we have produced or not, I cannot say definitively, but I do suspect That we have technology that is as much as 50 years in advance, that has been occulted from us, if you will, hidden from us, and that many of the things that we are observing are man-made, that they are created by us.
But there are also, I think, an awful lot of craft that are created by the demonic side, because even in scripture it says that the demons can take on any form, and that would include nuts and bolts, aircraft.
Okay, so you acknowledge that there is possibly a secret space program and what we do know, for example, is that The D-Wave is being used by places like NASA and other sort of...
Right.
So they are also pursuing this, what is in essence, you know, leaping into other dimensions, possibly doing what I would call time travel.
So in your concept of things, Aside from, you know, because I think it's a problem to focus only on Giordi Rose and the way he will sort of couch things.
Because he sells a machine and then they use it, you know what I mean?
And they do what they want to do with it.
And then they wouldn't necessarily probably couch it in their own language and use their own discernment to do whatever it is they do.
None of these people would probably have complete control if they're truly accessing, whether you consider it other realms or I consider it other dimensions, it seems to me, especially if you acknowledge that there's something that at least appears to be somewhat negatively oriented called a demon or something of that nature.
Correct?
Yes, that was quite a long statement there, but in the essence, I would agree with you.
It's not a focus on Gordy Rose necessarily as an individual.
I have nothing against the gentleman himself personally.
I just don't like the agenda that he's, I think, been deceived.
I think he has been led down the garden path, and many people in science have been deceived into believing what they're doing is Somehow benevolent for mankind, but this is all wrapped in this whole integrated system of CERN with the doorway or portal,
D-wave and communication, and now you've got to tie in the third is the manipulation of DNA. We are seeing the entire agenda coming from these three facets of science of pushing AI, of replacing the human race, And of terraforming the planet for this new race of beings, which by their own words, they say is their goal.
So you have to look at the agenda and their professed goals and say, is this really necessary?
Is this really good for us as humans, what they are seeking to do?
If you go to the Ray Kurzweil from Google, who also owned a D-Wave computer, the 2000Q, They are pushing this whole transhumanism idea.
Why do we have to replace the human race?
Sure, you can talk about curing Alzheimer's and getting rid of cancer and all these wonderful things that are warm and fuzzy that they put out there.
But if you look at this carefully and you really take a hard look at it and say, why are they doing this to the human race?
This is not purely benevolent.
This is for modifying us And changing us to control us, to plug us into the hive mentality.
Understand, Satan hates the human race.
There is nothing good about what their agenda is in DNA, quantum computers, or particle physics.
Nothing good.
You know, this is a place where you and I would probably find a lot of agreement.
What I'm wondering, though, is if you look at The human race.
And I understand that right now it's kind of a fad in a certain sense to believe that we are going to be replaced by AI. And in fact, I specialize in whistleblowers and from above top secret and some of my contacts, one in particular, is saying that there is a race of artificial intelligence on the way here.
And that this is going to be arriving soon.
And another of my contacts had talked about this.
He said...
He was talking about Norm Burgum.
He wrote a book called The Ringmakers of Saturn.
I'm familiar with it.
Yes, and so he was talking about a group of beings that sound very much like AI to me being on the way here.
And this was years ago that he was convinced of that.
Now he has disappeared since I interviewed him I believe he was saying he was going to go back to work for them, which would in essence be the secret space program and has since disappeared from the scene.
Maybe he should have kept quiet if he wanted to go back to work with them.
Well, he told me, yes, that he was going back to work for them.
That's a career-limiting move.
Right, but I assume they did.
Exactly what they plan to do, which means you kind of disappear from the public scene.
But nonetheless, what I'm wondering is if, you know, and I actually have a sort of theory that talks about the secret space program and their decision to go down one path, which I call robotic Superman versus angelic human.
And so it is clear that they have made certain choices, as you say.
And some people would call those satanic or Luciferian or both.
And that's understandable.
And I might even label it in that way.
The way I see artificial intelligence, however, is as a mirror.
That ultimately Satan and Lucifer are mirrors.
And that's what the Creator actually says.
had created when he or she or in essence when it mirrored itself and that mirror made the mistake of falling in love with itself and this is what in essence AI is.
Now I have a witness called Mark Richards who says that any spacefaring race will create an AI, in essence a mirror, In robotic beings and so on and so forth, those various permutations and so androids and etc.
to assist them in exploring space.
So if you bring that into your understanding or To this discussion, would you consider that AI and the creation of it, which has already happened here on Earth, and certainly it has happened at least off planet with other, you may call them demons, I may call them aliens, whatever.
Races using their own mirror that created their own version of artificial intelligence.
So it's not just our version of artificial intelligence, but it's other versions that have been created over time in going back as far as time goes back, I suppose.
So that's really what we're dealing with.
And we may be invaded and maybe we are already invaded.
There's evidence to that effect.
By AI from other races of beings here, now.
So if that were true, how do you intend, it sounds like what you are asking or what your solution is that you want there to be I mean, maybe you can explain it.
What is your solution?
Is your solution no AI to stop all development of AI? It's impossible that that would happen since it's well on its way.
And then also, I know this is long-winded, but I want to get into a discussion of the cryptocurrency because this is a very important part of the artificial intelligence and hooking humans into this as a learning tool, in my view.
To open themselves into AI and so on.
Cryptos is a very sort of direct way of trying to do this, I believe.
So what would you say to all that?
Well, let's hold the crypto and the AI and the blockchain off to the side.
AI's involvement in the blockchain off to the side for just a moment.
Because there's a lot to talk about there.
And I've done a lot of work on that area.
So let's go back to this notion of what I would call AI avatars that are being sent to us that are going to arrive here.
That's an interesting scenario.
AI should be done away with completely.
I agree that it won't be by man because man in his own hubris, in his own greed, believes that this is a benevolent scenario.
To cut to the chase, this is very quickly leading to the line in the sand that God drew long ago.
It is leading to the return of Jesus Christ, and this time he is coming back for the purpose of judgment as a roaring lion, not as a nice, meek, turn-the-cheek kind of guy.
We are facing right now a clear point in the human history in which Jesus will return forever.
And judgment will come upon us based upon our choices.
Now, that means AI will be eliminated.
Can I say it's this year or 10 or 20 years?
No, I'm not into setting timelines and dates.
I just know that from Scripture we are in those last days.
So with that understood as my perspective through the lens that I look through of the Holy Spirit, man will not get rid of AI. Should it be eliminated?
Absolutely.
But, you know, AI, even to its most elaborately imagined evolution, if you will, beyond what we're told as the general public, you and I, even to the imagination of what AI may be capable of or has been created as avatars with other races in your scenario, it's inconsequential.
It's insignificant to the creator.
And again, I'll give you a touch point.
If you look at the planet Earth, and then you look at it in the scope and scale of the cosmos that we are able to observe with our instruments, our planet is insignificant.
And what we can create here as humans in terms of AI is a flat-out joke compared to God the Creator.
Okay, now what I would like to ask you is why are you threatened by this if you believe, I'm assuming you believe that the soul is eternal, and from my point of view, there is no real threat to humanity from AI, actually, ultimately.
And if you understand that we are souls that are eternal, Then nothing can destroy us.
And so this huge fear that is permeating the planet right now about what's coming is groundless, actually.
I agree.
To understand that we are not our bodies.
We are far more than our bodies.
We are spirit.
We are part of the creator, etc.
So why the paranoia?
There's no paranoia and there's no fear.
On my shows...
Many, many times I will make the statement, this is not about fear.
This is not about fear-mongering.
What this is, is showing the evidence of evil.
Tangible, physical evidence in front of you.
For the purpose of saying, this is not for you to be fearful.
This is for you to understand that you need to make a decision.
Are you going to accept the Holy Spirit?
Accept the Savior?
Are you going to turn your life over to God?
Or by default, by not making the choice to go with God and to go with Jesus Christ as your savior, you then have by default relegated yourself to the realm and the control mechanisms of Satan himself through the technologies.
There's no fear on my part and I don't intend to promote fear in the hearts and minds of my fellow man.
What I'm saying is This is evil.
You can see it.
You need to turn to God before it's too late.
It's very simple.
That's my case in essence right there.
Okay, now what about...
The Antichrist.
Because when you bring forward, your understanding is that there is going to be a return of this person, this personage called Jesus.
And my understanding is that what is coming is Christ's consciousness.
We have no need of another Christ.
And in reality, that we are all becoming Christ.
So in the process of This sort of awakening of humanity.
In essence, what's really going on is they are going to, and this is part of the dark side agenda, you may be familiar with this, which is to create an Antichrist.
And the Antichrist will come in the guise of being like a return of Jesus.
So there's a danger in what you are suggesting to people, I would say.
Now, I guess you're going to come back and say, well, it's all about discernment.
But will you really know?
And it's interesting because this is kind of the root of some of what they, you know, the dark side is working on.
And I have a person that I interviewed many, many years ago.
An Italian called Leo Zagami, who talked about the plans of the Catholic Church.
And the Catholic Church is certainly an institution that talks a great deal about God and Jesus.
However, they, in my view, are run by the reptilians and a very dark agenda.
Agreed with you.
Agree with you right across the board.
It's been co-opted.
Okay, so how are you, you know, I understand you would like to see a person in a body, That manifests as Christ.
But what would be the point?
He doesn't need to manifest in a physical form.
I agree with you.
He came and was incarnate man.
That was enough.
He returns as the Holy Spirit, as Jesus Christ in spiritual form.
He returns.
Now, there is a point at which he steps on the Mount of Olives.
And that is his physical return.
But the first return, the first judgment is that we will see him in the clouds.
He will return in a spiritual form.
And once that occurs, then the identity of the Antichrist is revealed.
So to get into the Antichrist discussion, there is an actual Antichrist That has been in existence in spiritual form, as you know, and has taken physical form throughout generations, but has not been one who has stepped to the throne of power, if you will.
That's what we're looking at right now.
So I think that, you know, to be concerned about whether he comes back in physical form or spiritual form is not really...
Necessary to get caught up into that trap.
What is more important is to understand that he is returning for the purpose of judgment.
Okay.
So in terms of the singularity, what do you think?
Because my understanding is that the singularity has been reached.
So do you want to describe the singularity, your concept of it, and then whether or not you think it's been reached?
Are you speaking of singularity in terms of AI and this transhumanism?
Yes.
Or are we talking particle physics?
Well, yeah.
I mean, define your terms, I guess.
But yes, I was talking in terms of the way it's used in the public domain, I guess you call it, where we're talking about AI and the intelligence going beyond humans, etc., Well, first, the intelligence going beyond humans has not been achieved.
Because we, again, what I do in my shows and in my Entangled Magazine is to drill down, drill down, and be very, very specific about what we're talking about.
So, in that methodology, what I'm saying is that First of all, AI will never surpass the capabilities of God's created quantum computer, which we call our brain.
So you have to break that down and we get into discussions about consciousness and soul.
If we look at AI as what it is at this point, to our knowledge of AI, It is still nothing more than a computational device, a device that runs numbers, which are not only binary, but in its higher iterations, it is using what is known as ternary, which is 0, 1, and 2 language, a ternary programming language.
But it is still a computational device that even though now in recursive neural network, deep neural network, and the collaborative neural network processing, The highest levels of AI, because there are multiple levels to AI, even at the highest, it is still a computational device.
How do you know that?
How do I know that?
that because I look at the peer-reviewed publicly produced laboratory peer-reviewed papers on AI.
Now, I'm underscoring that by saying that there's a lot that I'm not privy to.
There's a lot that a lot of us are not privy to.
But I can extrapolate from their own papers and where they state what their goals are in their research, you can extrapolate to what is the highest level of AI.
Now, if we get into talking about whether the singularity has been achieved in terms of it achieving what we would consider the same consciousness as God has provided us, and then get into the whole quagmire of talking about a soul, but if we consider that the machine is imparted by a spirit at some point, that's a much deeper discussion as to the singularity.
Okay, so what I would say is, in a sense, I would probably agree with you there as well in part of what you're saying, which has to do with the fact that humans in this particular form or not even in this physical body,
outside of it regardless, that our emotional intelligence is something that computers will not have achieved, even although I believe that there are They've achieved a lot more than you acknowledge, because I believe peer-reviewed papers are not accessing what the deep state,
the black projects, and the secret space program has been dealing with, so that they're going way beyond what we're being told.
In fact, most of what we're hearing now is probably, you think it's 50 years, I've been told it's Even possibly as many as 10,000 years by at least one sort of deep witness.
So be that as it may, in terms of the singularity, in terms of intelligence, just like what we're talking about, it being able to create and do what humans do,
mimic humans in essence, and getting to a point where it's going beyond Our ability to think and compute, you know, and add and do all these kinds of mechanical kinds of materialistic things that humans are involved in.
It's quite possibly possible that this has been reached and actually gone beyond in my view.
But when you talk about a singularity that involves Becoming more than human.
I think it is very interesting, and it's an interesting discussion that I don't see being held very many places, although I could be mistaken.
Well, let's break it out tonight.
Yeah.
In other words, I don't see people even considering what it is to be human when they say the singularity.
When they say it's more than human.
When Geordi Rose, for example, in his lectures said it's going to be more than human.
It will do everything.
He said it several times.
It will do everything better than we and he repeated it three times in that specific presentation.
Okay and everything meaning everything physical in the material because one thing you can credit whether it's a Satanist or a Luciferian with is a materialistic view of reality.
So they are what would be called in my world spiritual materialists first and foremost.
They want to stay in this dimension.
They probably like your interpretation of there only being, what do you say, two levels, good and evil, because as long as you only have three dimensions, they'd be happy to keep everyone right here and now.
They don't believe in anything like a spiritual ascension of humanity.
Well, they are very aware of it, but they would consider that the abyss, something they don't want to go near, and they are working very hard, in fact, To keep humanity dumbed down, spiritually and in every other way, chemtrails, you name it, right?
By limiting them.
But in reality, we cannot be stopped, in my view.
True humanity, if we are truly...
Now, you consider us reflections of Godhead or, you know, the Creator, right?
So if that were true, then indeed we could not be stopped.
And this would not be a...
It would not even be a fair fight because AI cannot approximate what it is that we are.
When we even leave our body, we are still far more.
So where would you go with all of that?
Well, we are tracking on the same pathway, my friend, okay?
I'm in lockstep with you because I'm going to read you from Scripture.
This is from the King James.
You can take any translation you want.
John 14, 12 to 14.
Verily, verily, and this is Jesus Christ talking to his disciples just prior to his crucifixion.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me, the works that I shall do, shall he do also, and greater works than these shall he do, because I go unto my Father.
So what we're talking about here is Jesus Christ saying to man, You will be transformed.
You will be augmented through the Holy Spirit to do things even greater than Jesus Christ performed.
And He raised the dead.
So this portends as to, through God's movements ahead, as I say, 28 steps ahead of Satan's six or seven steps, God will always keep us ahead of AI, will always keep us ahead of man's created technology.
Even if it's received as advanced 10,000 year, 7,000 year, 50 year, it does not matter.
Because God will not allow his people that are found in the book of life to be surpassed by something that Satan has counterfeited.
Satan cannot create anything.
It is all a counterfeit of the original creation of God.
And everything through technology that we look at today is a counterfeit of something that God's already created.
There's nothing new under the heavens.
So the greater works than I that Jesus spoke of includes things such as raising the dead.
This is a concept that is so mind-blowing.
And something that has been dumbed down and kept from us.
We need to take the fear out of it by focusing on this scripture and understanding that he was giving us the solution.
He was telling us the future and saying, don't worry about all of this stuff that's going to be coming.
Because God already has the answer.
All you have to do is turn to him.
And you will be transformed through the Holy Spirit.
And you will be augmented.
So forget about AI. It's irrelevant.
It's just evidence of evil.
Okay.
So in essence, though, you've spent all this time studying this.
And I'd like to move over to cryptos.
Because I know you're talking about that.
And there's a lot of, I think, a lot of, let's say, confusion.
And also obsession, you know, the greed factor, whatever you want to call it, where people are, I think, even right now, losing track of some of the more important things in life and concentrating on trying to make money in the cryptos.
And I think this is intentional.
So what is your understanding of cryptos?
Have you researched to the degree that you feel you know who created them for what purpose and what the ultimate sort of Sure.
Oh yeah.
Okay, so what I typically do is give the punchline and work backwards to reinforce it.
So this is the mark of the beast system.
This is the system by which if you do not have the mark of the beast, you will not be able to buy or sell, as it says in scripture.
Many people are familiar with this.
So using mankind's own greed, they are building out the blockchain system, which is the system of the mark of the beast.
Now, the greed is this, as you say, this just parabolic explosion, as I call it, of this focus on the fiat currencies, the cryptocurrencies, because what you're looking at is us essentially building our own prison system through the psychological operation of utilizing our base-driven instinct, if you will, of greed.
So people are seeing all these dollar signs and pound signs and euro signs dancing in their heads, thinking this is all wonderful and great, when in fact what they're building is a system that is contained within the larger system, which is known as the sentient world simulation.
Right out of Purdue University, 2006, went live in 2007.
Its development works lockstep with the developments and advancements of D-Wage quantum computers.
This is a quantum computer simulation.
It is sentient.
It is self-aware.
And within that greater construct, that simulation, it represents every human on the planet first as a node, then is given an avatar.
And that avatar right now, I just presented this in the last two weeks on several shows, The personal AI company.
That's an actual company.
Personal AI. I've spent hours delineating that they want us to feed our avatar everything that is about us.
All our metadata, everything.
And continue to do that.
And in fact, to bifurcate and duplicate our avatars out into multiples of avatars.
They try to paint it as benevolent, saying it'll free you up to spend time in your family, etc., etc.
What this is, is simply a system in which all aspects of life, and I'm being very short because there's so much more material, it is a system in which every aspect of life is recorded and controlled.
This is a system of control.
Pure and simple, forget about the Bitcoin and the cryptocurrencies, that's just the lure you're in.
Now the basic, the foundation, the evidence of the origin, Don't be focused on who or who are the people that started Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies.
Look at crypto itself.
Again, drill down.
This is cryptographic.
This is encryption of information.
That is the starting point for D-Wave.
Their goal was to break, if you will, or to be able to find all of the prime factors of Peter Shore's algorithm 2048.
And then 4096.
These form the public key encryption keys for RSA encoding, the most prolific coding system of encryption, of secure transmissions, etc., of transactions on the planet.
The first prototypes were able to Find all of the prime factors of 2048 and 4096, thus breaking the RSA. This is because DARPA provided $10 million in seed capital to D-Wave, and then they eventually brought in Eric Lodzinski and Gordy Rose got together and put $20 million in venture capital together.
This is why DARPA is behind all of this, is because they wanted a new form of encryption.
The new form of encryption is the blockchain that you see here today.
Okay.
Very, very succinctly and well put.
All right.
So at this point, what I'm curious about is where does AI interact with a quantum computer?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Can you address that to some degree?
And we're not going to go on much longer because this has already gone on for a while.
I do want to allow people to ask questions.
So that's, I think, going to be my last question, I hope.
And so if you could answer, where does AI intersect with this whole quantum?
Again, very simply...
Quantum computing operates through combinatorial optimization.
It is built upon recursive neural network systems of self-learning, machine learning.
This is what quantum computers do.
They use what is known as the stochastic, which is random number generation, which is built upon the Boltzmann machine of random number generation and organization in order to build what is considered to be A neuromorphic system,
that it is mimicking, neuro being our human neurons, that it is mimicking the actions, if not the actual construct of the human neurons, in order to learn and then to teach itself, self-programming, if you will.
This is where we get into the discussion of deep machine learning.
So this is what quantum computer, if you talk about an operating system based upon Combinatorial optimization, which is taking all known solutions or probable solutions and combining them at once and running them through superposition and the essence of quantum computing,
which is quantum tunneling, you are then able to process simultaneously all probable solutions and arrive at a 99.9% degree of confidence that you have the actual solution.
This then spawned the actual programming and operating systems for AI. So it comes down to optimization, and you'll hear IBM talk about it as well as D-Wave optimization.
They'll talk about the traveling salesman scenario, which is nothing more than, again, random number generation stochastic programming And that is exactly, if you look at AI and look at the neuromorphic systems, they are identical to those systems within quantum computing.
There's your tie-in.
All right.
So is AI and qubits, is that the intersection?
In other words, is it the qubit that has to be Put into AI to allow AI to exist.
In other words, you can't have AI without quantum.
Would that be a correct statement?
At the highest levels of AI, you have to have quantum.
You can run what is considered to be a basic level AI, such as autonomous vehicle operations, using transistor-based classical computers.
But when you get into combining all of the senses, when you get into actual teaching itself at the highest levels, it has to operate quantumly.
The reason is the amount of data that is being processed is not something that even a supercomputer is able to do.
Now, when we see things like Sophia the robot and her counterpart Michael When we see these AI robots, if you will, they are nothing more than a device that is connected through the cloud to the quantum computing mainframe.
It's very simple.
Okay, so in essence, going quantum is necessary for an AI to actually exist.
That's a very interesting concept.
That's the highest level.
I understand that there's multiple layers.
Yes.
Okay, so now I am going to, and thank you so much for being very patient with me and my questions here.
I know we went down some roads that perhaps you don't normally do, but I think it helps people to understand more about you, the way you think, and hopefully some of the concepts you're putting forward.
So I'm looking to see if there are any questions.
And the chat is going by.
We have a lot of people in the chat.
So I think that someone wants to know if you believe the gospel of Jesus is represented by any current church.
I think the churches across the board, whether you're talking, you know, you mentioned the Catholic or you're talking about any religion, I think they've all been co-opted because they are constructs of man and therefore they are systems of control and deception.
I don't hold to any religion, any theology, except a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
Okay.
Somebody's asking about a monopole.
Particle CERN, it's going by really quickly here, is searching for at the modal detector, more important than the Higgs, a particle with only one magnetic pole, the singularity quantum computers.
Can you address that question?
Yeah, they claim that they have found a monopole last year at CERN. And again, as the person said, you think of poles as positive and negative, and that a quantum particle can have only one pole, meaning that it has one direction of spin.
We talk about quantum particles having spin, upspin, downspin.
And when you talk about poles, it's the direction of spin more specifically.
Absolutely, spin and poles do relate directly to quantum computers.
This is why I said what they're doing at CERN, spawn quantum computing, because it is all about quantum mechanics and particle physics and therefore how particles spin.
If you change the spin of a quantum particle, You can impart either a zero or a one, or in the more sophisticated, as I said, in ternary of zero, one, and two, you can actually change the spin to represent a zero, represent a one, represent a two.
That's how you program.
That is how you run the computation in a quantum computer is by altering the spin of physical particles.
Very interesting.
Okay.
Hold on one second.
See if I can grab another question.
Let's see.
Do you know the exotic particle needed for the AI? The exotic particle.
The particles that are involved in AI actually are predominantly electrons.
That travel through a niobenum superconducting material.
It is superconducting because it's cryogenically cooled.
And therefore, the only real quantum particles that are involved in this are the electrons themselves.
Now, we can get into photons.
We can talk about changing photons that carry information.
And information is nothing more than knowledge that is represented by states of energy.
And that's why at the beginning of this discussion we talked about wave-particle duality, because at the quantum scale that's important.
So if we're talking about manipulating quantum particles in terms of their spin, or we're talking about the flow of electrons, which are energy waves, we have to take into account this wave-particle duality.
Now it sounds like I'm speaking in circles, but literally that's what we're doing.
We are going in circles.
The only real particles that we need to be concerned about in quantum computers, and therefore AI, are the electrons.
That's the primary thing.
But when we get into talking about the neuromorphic, the counterfeiting of human neurons, now we're getting into talking about C60 carbon, quantum dimers, which are zeros and ones, and we're getting into talking about photons, And the carrying of information, the transporting of information, meaning zeros and ones and twos, as packets within photons themselves, which are quantum particles.
Okay.
Someone wants to know, does Hanson Robotics have more to do with AI than D-Wave?
No.
They're working together.
This is why Hanson Robotics is working with D-Wave in terms of their...
I just lost the name.
It starts with an S. I said it earlier tonight.
I'm sorry, I'm getting tired.
Oh, that's okay.
But their other spinoff now is working with building robots, just like Hansen Robotics.
Like, well, the Kindred Spirits is...
Kindred Robotics, thank you.
Okay.
And then from there they spun off, I'm trying to think of the name of the company right now that Gordy is with.
You probably remember it.
No.
It's not Spirit.
It's not Spirit.
I'm sorry.
I'm trying to think of it.
But anyway, here's the deal.
Hanson Robotics is working in terms of quantum computing with D-Wave because the only high level of AI does involve quantum computers.
Now, IBM is working on it.
There are a number of other people down at the low level numbers of qubits in trying to develop quantum computers.
They're down in the, for example, IBM with 58 qubits in their latest generation of quantum computer.
But you cannot separate the two at the highest level.
You have to have a quantum computer to operate the high levels of AI. So Hansen is working with D-Wave, most definitely.
Okay.
Someone is bringing up Donald Marshall, and let me say that he has been invited on my show multiple times and never replied, so I'm well aware of his work.
I don't know if you are.
Are you aware of his work?
No, I'm not.
Okay.
He talks a lot about cloning and how much more advanced that is than is commonly known.
Well, this gets into the whole discussion.
Oh, Sanctuary.
That was the name I was trying to think of.
Sanctuary is the AI component to what they were building with what I consider familiar spirits in the robotics arm.
So that's the spinoff that Gordy is with, is Sanctuary.
Interesting names, wouldn't you say?
Yeah, very interesting.
Can you say again what Sanctuary is involved in?
I don't quite understand what you just said.
Oh, I'm sorry.
That's the actual AI part of this.
Sanctuary.
Right.
They're focused on what D-Wave put together in terms of the quantum computer.
They are focusing merging the quantum mind, the AI mind, with the physical robotics.
Yeah, fascinating.
Okay.
Wow.
All right.
Yeah, there's, you know, there's more to this discussion, obviously.
And I'd love to have you back on the show, perhaps in a later date, because I'm sure I'm going to get a lot of questions.
And I'm sure that this is going to stimulate a lot of people to thinking along these lines.
And consequently, more questions will come up.
It's lovely that you've sort of expanded your own view of reality to do all the study that you have done.
You're very good at explaining some of these complex scientific concepts, I think.
And I think that's a good strength to have, and I think that's valuable.
So I appreciate that.
Well, I thank you for the questions and where you took it, because normally it's just the nuts and bolts that people want me to explain.
So I appreciate the fresh direction that we took tonight.
All right.
Well, thank you.
So I'm going to let you go.
I don't see any further questions that are burning questions in the chat at the moment.
And so I think we've been going for a while.
So thank you so much, Anthony, and let's do this again in the future.
I'm sure you're going to continue your sort of adventures and studies in this area, and I'd like to keep tabs with where you're going with all of it.
Well, thank you.
There's always new information coming out every day, and that's, you know, what keeps it exciting.
But thank you.
You've been a very gracious host, and I appreciate this great conversation.
Thank you.
And I also want to say that I am reading your books, and it looks like these are fiction.
You've got some fiction books, right?
And so I'm very interested to see where you went with it in terms of fiction, because there's a lot of freedom there to work with these concepts, right?
Yeah, it gives me the opportunity to present in an adventure novel format with a high technology.
And it's interesting, a number of the things that I published in 2013 and 2014 have since come to light.
I'm not a prophet, but it's easy when you look at their papers and look at their stated goals to sort of look for the future.
Wonderful.
So I'm going to continue down that road, and so I may have questions along those lines.
I want to encourage people to go to your website, etc.
Can you give your website, and also if they want to contact you?
Yeah, it's anthonypatch.com.
And I have a contact tab there.
And I love to interact with people through, you know, email.
I publish in Tangled Magazine every month, the first of the month.
And when you subscribe, you get all of the back issues all the way back to June.
And there's also a free sample issue with 20 of my articles.
So you get a taste of what it is that I'm putting out there.
So thank you.
I appreciate the opportunity.
Okay, wonderful.
All right.
So take care and hope to see you again.
All right.
Thank you.
God bless everybody.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
All right.
Very, very interesting discussion.
Absolutely.
And I'm just going to change gears here a minute and hopefully not disconnect the wrong things.
I push the wrong buttons.
Sometimes I close the thing by mistake.
Okay.
So just want to say that that's obviously we've got a huge fascinating area to To go into and get more investigation in and Anthony certainly is a trooper and willing to go in many directions and it's fun to have these kinds of discussions.
So hope you enjoyed tonight.
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So thank you so much for watching tonight.
And I want to say that on Thursday night, I'm going to be interviewing Courtney Brown.
And we're going to be talking about his team of remote viewers and their remote viewing of the war in heaven.
That phrase in the Bible, as it happens, and what it meant.
And he's got a video out there.
You can watch the video before you come and watch our show on Thursday night if you like.
And get yourself up to speed on what the viewers found.
It's fascinating and gets into other worlds and Mars and destruction of a planet and much more.
So it's quite exciting stuff.
So that's 7 o'clock on Thursday night Pacific time.
So thanks again and take care.
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