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Jan. 4, 2018 - Project Camelot
01:15:32
JOHN LEAR : INTERVIEW RE TICTAC SIGHTING & SECRET PENTAGON PROGRAM
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No, you're fine, John.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Hi, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I'm here with John Lear.
And John, I think we can see you on the screen and everything looks good.
So it's great to see you and you're looking good, John.
How are you feeling?
I'm feeling pretty good.
Yeah?
Great.
Well, you know, we've got a lot of interesting things happening in the news right now, as you know, and I know that I guess it was Grant Cameron interviewed you about the Tic Tac sighting.
Yeah.
And you said some very interesting things and I wanted to follow up with you on that.
So can you talk to me about what you understand is going on with that sighting?
The title of that sighting should be Harry Reid Needs a Job.
Okay, now why do you say that?
Because Harry Reid is retiring after being in the Senate for 30 years, and he needs something to do, something that will give him a free lunch and enable him to live in the way that he's become accustomed to.
What I think he did was scam the Pentagon out of $22 million, which he gave to a friend, Bob Bigelow.
And he knows that Bob will put him on the payroll.
And they can pretend to run a disclosure.
Now the reason I say pretend to run a disclosure is because MJ-12, which was formed by Harry Truman in 1947 after the Roswell crash, He put together a group 12 scientific military and other personnel to cover up the extraterrestrial exciting or the recovery
forever and ever.
And so MJ-12 in the last 70 years has spent Billions, hundreds of billions of dollars covering this up.
They have what they used to call blue teams.
I'm not sure what they're called these days, but many years ago they were called blue teams, and these guys were stationed all over the United States, and if there was a saucer crash, they would go in and immediately cover it up and Then take the saucer,
depending on whether it's the size, either back to Wright-Patterson or somewhere else convenient where they could look at it and work on it.
Now they used all kinds of distractions.
They had these huge billboard-sized things that they could erect immediately around the saucer to keep people from seeing it inside.
And they also had expert 18-wheeler drivers That would crash these 18-wheelers on the access road to wherever it was, or the freeway, wherever it was, to prevent people getting close to seeing the saucer until they could take it away with a helicopter or hide it.
Now, there was one up in Garrison, Utah, and it's still there, I think it was about 250 feet in diameter.
It was too big to hide, too big to move anywhere.
So what they did is they got hundreds of army personnel and they went and made a circle or encircled the saucer and then started digging.
And they pulled the dirt from under the saucer until it dropped about 50 feet.
Into the ground, and then they put the ground back on it, the sand and the dirt back on it, so it looked like there was nothing there.
But if you go on Google Earth to Garrison, I forget the exact position, but you can see the big triangle where it crashed, and I think they've taken it off now, but they built two or three little houses right there where the different personnel that were authorized to go up and look at it, they could stay in these buildings.
And many years ago, I'm trying to think how long it was, 25 or 30 years ago, somebody broke in.
And the actual logbook was there.
And the people would sign in.
It was amazing the number of people that signed in and who they were employed by.
It was either the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, Department of Defense, Pentagon, just all different kinds of places.
But what they did is they had a secret staircase inside this building that went down about 50...
60 feet and then there was a tunnel that led to the north where the saucer was buried.
I think the tunnel was about 150 or 200 feet long and when you walk through this tunnel you get to the end and there was this huge 250 foot diameter saucer and they can go in it and inspect it and walk around it I'm not sure whether they, I don't think they left the dead bodies in there, but there was some way that they could display them, maybe in cases.
I've never been there, so I wouldn't know.
Now, a few years ago, and I'm thinking, what, maybe 15 years ago, I was at one of the UFO conferences here in Las Vegas, and a couple of us decided that we were going to go up there and see if we could find it.
And so we arranged for a helicopter and a truck and all kinds of stuff.
And then for some reason or another, I forget what the reason was, we were never able to pull it off.
But we were going to go up there and see if we could find it, land the helicopter, look all around, go in the buildings and look around there.
But it never came off and I don't remember what the reason was.
Okay, well, you know, I appreciate the story in that.
And actually, I think Linda Moulton Howell covered this story in depth at a UFO conference that I attended.
I don't know if we were at the same one or what.
So, you know, there are some other people that would agree with you about that particular Idaho, the buried saucer over there.
So what I want to know, though, is you're saying Harry Reid and...
Are you saying Harry Reid and Bigelow?
You know, the word is that the Pentagon had a secret sort of study that had a minuscule amount of money by comparison to what we really know is being spent.
Supposed $22 million is what they're...
Allowing them to say, and supposedly they farmed it out to Bigelow, to his company, and I guess somehow Harry Reid was instrumental or involved in all of that.
And then they proceeded to investigate UFOs, is how the story goes, a la Project Blue Book, which was a farce as it was back in those days, as you well know.
So what I'm asking you is, are you saying that Do you think that Bigelow ever actually did work for the Pentagon under those auspices?
I mean, we can imagine Bigelow works with the Pentagon, right?
But do you think he actually carried out that, you know, 10-year study or whatever number of years it was?
Well, I don't.
I know Bob, but I don't know whether he actually worked for the Pentagon.
I know that he and Bob Lazar had a business together.
It was called Zeta Ritikli Corp.
I think it was formed in, let's see, 1989.
I think it was 1990 or 91.
And they had a laboratory over near McCarran Airport.
And they worked for a while.
I forget how long it was, but they had a falling out.
And my personal belief is...
What happened is the military or somebody from MJ-12 came to Bigelow and impressed him with their medals and uniforms and said, look, Mr.
Bigelow, we don't know anything about flying saucers, but if you want to come on with us, we've got some interesting programs that you could be helpful in.
Now, the one thing that scares people MJ-12, the Pentagon, and the military the most is somebody who has lots of money and is interested in UFOs.
That petrifies them.
So they have to find a way to get them interested in something else and say something like, yeah, we don't believe in any of that UFO stuff, but if you want to come with us, we need some things up in space that you can help us with.
And they want to divert his attention.
Bob's been interested in UFOs all his life.
The review journal here, which has an editorial staff of a bunch of morons, made a story the other day that said that Bigelow got interested in UFOs in 1997.
Well, that's ridiculous.
He and Bob Lazar had a business in 91, and Bob has been interested ever since he was a little kid, so he's had a long-term interest in it.
So, my point is that $22 million is ridiculous.
I mean, Engine 12 has spent hundreds of billions of dollars.
They have the most fantastic set of films, both aerial and from the ground.
They have at least...
60 saucers have at least 75 or 80 bodies from at least 10 different civilizations and they don't want anybody to know anything about it so Harry wanted to get some money for his retirement And he decided he could set up a little scam here and pretend he was going to do a disclosure,
get some money from the Pentagon, the $22 million, give it to his friend Bob Bigelow, who has absolutely no experience in handling a disclosure.
And they would set up this little business and they'd go get some old aircraft parts and pretend they were old UFO parts.
And get video.
Now, this video of the Tic Tac is completely ridiculous.
I mean, I've looked at it, and somebody has done an awful job of faking.
Now, if you had $22 million, you're not going to spend too much on fake video.
And it obviously didn't fake too much.
They didn't fake it well.
Hollywood Productions, to do something like they were trying to do would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, but I guess they tried to do it with a pencil and some pen and ink and whatever, but there's several things on that video.
That made me think that this is not what happened.
Let me just stop you there.
It's great.
It's lovely to hear your point of view on this, John.
I just want to clarify it for the viewers who are not familiar.
So what we've got is, first of all, you can go on my blog if you want to get all the links in the background and see that article that I've written there.
And basically, it is all about what's being disclosed.
It was a Nimitz.
I guess that's an...
What is that, an aircraft carrier?
Yeah, the Nimitz is an aircraft carrier.
The F-18 Super Hornets were the airplanes that were launched after it.
And what we had a picture of was the HUD, the heads-up display, which shows...
What the airplane is tracking, what the jet is tracking.
All right.
So go ahead.
I just wanted to clarify what this was.
And this is also the Tom DeLonge, Luis Alessandro.
I'm not saying how you say his name.
Alessandro, you know, this whole team that he's got working for him, Hal Pudoff from the Aviary, also known as the Godfather, you know, some very smart guys he's got associated.
He's got a guy from Skunk Works over there.
He's got someone who is supposedly working for, I don't know, well, I guess the, I don't know, the Joint Chiefs, Chris Mellon, and a couple other people.
So, you know, these guys were disclosing this even before it became out in the news.
I don't know if you know that, right?
Through the supposed Tom DeLonge, Go to the Stars organization, right?
No, Tom DeLonge was a rock and roll singer.
He had no connection or anything to do with UFOs.
Well, he does now.
You may not know this, but he's got an organization.
He's claiming he's going to build a craft that goes fast to the speed of light.
It's ridiculous.
Well, we've already got that, so that would be reinventing the wheel, wouldn't it?
We have spent, the government has spent Hundreds of billions of dollars trying to do just that.
So how is a company with $22 million and absolutely not one iota of expertise going to think they're going to do it?
It's ridiculous.
It's a scam.
It's never going to happen.
All right.
Well, be that as it may.
I want to get into the detail of the actual tic-tac sighting that you were talking about.
And I'd like you to go over.
You made some very interesting comments, I thought, with regard to how the pilots were talking to each other.
The fact that possibly the video is not linked to the picture.
Is that right?
Are you going to let me talk or are you going to talk?
No, I'm asking you.
Go ahead.
Every time I start to talk, Gary, you interrupt me with something that's irrelevant.
I was trying to tell you that the video, the first thing I noticed was the ambient sound.
It sounded like somebody had a vacuum cleaner and they were trying to make the sound of air rushing past an airplane.
Well, That doesn't happen in a jet.
You have the microphone, which is inside of the oxygen mask.
And once that's sealed against your face, there is no ambient noise.
All you hear is the pilots talking to each other.
So this ambient noise, I don't know where it came from, but it's not real.
Okay, so the second thing is the pilots talking using...
Slang like dude and bro, it's ridiculous.
Pilots don't talk like that.
They talk in short, clip sentences, and they don't use that kind of language.
And then in addition to that, they give the wind.
One guy says, the wind is 120 knots to the west.
Something like that.
Well, first of all, there's no reason to give the wind.
They're fighter pilots.
They're trying to track something.
There's no reason they would have to tell each other what the wind is.
They've got that on your instruments in there and you don't need to know the wind because you're flying the airplane and it automatically compensates for the wind if you're tracking something.
So for him to say that is completely ridiculous.
I don't know why they even put that in there.
But not only that, they're at 19,000 feet, and they say it's 120 knots.
We'll see that up at 41,000 feet, where I spent most of my life flying up there.
But you're not going to see it at 19,000 feet, so something's wrong there.
The other thing is they say the wind is 120 knots Towards the west.
You never report winds towards something.
It's always from something.
So, from a heading or a degree, so you would say the wind is 120 knots, 020, or whatever the heading it's from.
But never 2.
So, that's the third thing that's wrong.
I'm trying to think of some of the other...
Oh, the other one is a tracking...
This is a Raytheon heads-up display and what it does it has two vertical bars that are on which are on each side of the object that they're tracking now on the lower left of the HUD it's printed out the airspeed and in this case it's 230 knots or 238 knots and Okay,
if you're doing 238 knots and you have something in your tracking device that's in front of you, you're going to be getting closer to it.
And the thing that's in the tracking device is staying in exactly the same position.
But not only in the almost same position, it's in the exact same position.
So as they're closing in and the alleged win in 120 knots, how can they possibly keep the object, the tic-tac, in the exact same place?
They've got to be moving left and right and up and down as they're closing in to keep it right between those vertical bars.
And it's not moving at all.
The only thing it does, it makes a little half circle Like somebody is taking a piece of paper and moving it around, but it's not like you were actually tracking it.
Okay.
Did you also hear or read the article that said that there was more than one craft for several days and that it also went into the ocean?
No, I didn't see that.
There was two craft.
There was one called the Tic Tac, and there was another one that was a blob, but You know, Kerry, I can't imagine how this would convince anybody would be a disclosure.
MJ-12 has the most fantastic video of these craft flying real clear, not tic-tacs, not blobs of light, but beautiful and all kinds of craft.
And what's happening here is the Pentagon is supporting this because they don't want any information to come out on this and have it.
That's their whole reason for being is to cover up extraterrestrials.
So they're not going to give anybody of any import, any information or any film or any parts of anything to make people believe that ET is real.
So this whole thing is a scam to an And they gave him $22 million, which they couldn't even buy their lunch for the next couple of years with.
That's probably true.
Well, what about this idea that there is a real program, and I was told by a deep source, actually, John, and I'm wondering what you think about this, that the actual craft that they filmed 13 years ago, which is when this video was shot, supposedly, And the pilot who's being interviewed out there by the major news media, I guess you've seen his name.
His last name is Roe.
He was a Navy pilot.
And he's claiming he's the one who saw it.
And there were some other pilots as well.
But it's 13 years ago.
All right.
Now, I have a source who's saying what they're really doing is trotting out for the Chinese for their benefit.
They're toys.
In other words, that these are our craft, that they know damn well they're our craft.
They're not unidentified, you know, flying objects.
On the contrary, and they're not alien threats either.
So what do you think about that?
Well, yeah, we have a lot of things that the public doesn't know about, and they go in tremendous speeds.
Aurora, 20 years ago, was going, what, 16?
And there's other craft that go faster than that.
But taking a picture of them and telling the public that it's extraterrestrial ET craft, And 13 years ago, what about yesterday?
They make these photos every day of extraterrestrial craft.
There's so many of them flying around, they can make themselves invisible, but we have plenty of airplanes up there, and they all have...
I mean, they all photograph whatever they see, and MT-12 puts this stuff away and keeps it for themselves.
But to roll out something that was shot in 2004 of a tic-tac is ridiculous.
Yeah, it's, I would say, too little, too late.
Plus, it's also got some lies in there.
So why do you think they're doing this?
Aside from Harry Reid, I mean, really, what is this?
You think the Pentagon, you're saying the Pentagon is basically trying to mislead the public?
Or do they think disclosure is coming too quick?
Disclosure will never happen.
Read my lips.
Never happen.
All right.
This is about getting Harry a free lunch after he retires.
That's why they got the $22 million.
That's why he gave it to his friend Bob Bigelow.
And that's why they're pretending they're going to be Mr.
Disclosure and we're going to be the ones that bring UFOs to the public and tell them what's really going on.
None of that is going to happen.
MJ-12 has been covering this up for 70 years and they're very good at it.
The only reason the Pentagon is going along is because they know that nothing is going to happen.
All right.
Well, that's very, very good to hear from you on this, John.
Excellent background information for everyone, and I hope that people are listening closely to what you have to say.
Do you want to talk about anything else, any current events that you do know that are happening out there?
Yeah, I'll tell a little bit about the October 1st, what they call the disaster here in Las Vegas at the Mandalay Bay.
All right.
First of all, the FBI, the real name of the FBI is the FBI-A, and that's Federal Bureau of Ignorant Assholes.
Now, their job is to cover things up and they got our Sheriff Gillespie and said there's going to be only one shooter and it's going to be Paddock.
And don't say anything else.
As a matter of fact, Paddock was an employee of the FBI and he was running a scam to get weapons for the ISIS. And this whole thing was supposed to It was supposed to show what ISIS is doing here in the States.
But everything went wrong.
Now, as far as Steven Paddock claimed to have shot, killed 58 people and wounded 500, that's all nonsense.
Nobody was killed.
Nobody was hurt.
You can't find any hospital in Las Vegas that says that they treated anybody with a bullet wound.
There's not one single drop of blood in that whole area where the people were, and there's absolutely no muzzle flashes coming from the 32nd story window that Stephen Paddock was at.
He did not fire a shot because no muzzle flashes with all the video that they have, which incidentally, the FBI has confiscated.
With all that video, there's not one single muzzle flash that comes out of a 30-second story window that Steven Paddock was actually at.
Now, what they did is they made him...
He thought he was working for them.
He was an employee of the FBI. He...
He was going along with this, but he didn't shoot anybody.
But they shot him because they wanted to make everybody believe that he was the reason they were doing up there.
But if you want an absolute positive proof that there's more than one shooter, just look at Mike Adams' video, The Health Ranger.
He takes you through 30 minutes of exactly the scientific reason that he can prove there were at least two shooters.
And he can't prove it, but Steven Paddock was not one of the shooters.
He didn't have a gun in his hand.
But they shot him, and they're pretending he was the single shooter.
And the whole reason for this is because this operation went totally wrong, and the FBI doesn't want anybody to know that they were involved in this gun-running.
Okay, and you know that ISIS is run by the CIA, right?
Is it?
Yeah.
Could be.
There's so many different things going on right now that, you know, like the CIA over in Afghanistan, the whole reason we went to Iraq and Afghanistan, the reason we wanted to go into Afghanistan is to take over the drug trade.
Now, what was the...
The group that ran Afghanistan before we get in.
The Taliban.
The Taliban.
The Taliban had been outlawing the opium crop, the opium trade there, and they had got it down to 5% of the world's supply.
We couldn't have that because all our block projects are financed by illegal drug trade.
So we had to figure out a reason to go in there.
We told them the Taliban was the one that was doing the drug trade.
National Geographic figures, when we went into Afghanistan, they were responsible.
They were shipping 5% of the world's supply.
Five years later, they were shipping 97% of the world's supply.
That was because we went and we had our own A way of doing that.
And I flew in Southeast Asia.
I know all about something.
I flew to the CIA over there.
I didn't fly any drugs myself, but I knew what was going on over there.
And now they don't want to, it's not a convenient place for them to operate.
A better place is Afghanistan.
So they may have some cockeyed reason to go into Afghanistan and take over the drug trade.
Now, where it goes on, the actual farms are in the Hindu Kush.
And the Hindu Kush is that long arm of land that stretches out to the northeast of Afghanistan.
It's a perfect altitude and the perfect temperature, perfect weather.
There's hundreds of thousands of acres of opium growing there.
And a friend of mine who flies the B-1 I was up here a couple years ago.
We were discussing this, and he said, well, that explains it.
And I said, explains what?
He says, well, that whole Indukush area is a no-fly area.
And he says, I asked my squadron commander why it was no-fly.
That's where all the opium is.
And the squadron commander didn't answer him.
But that explains to him why it's a no-fly area.
Now, the interesting thing about Afghanistan is Many, many hundreds, even thousands of years ago, it was a very fertile land, and they irrigated it with these tunnels that run all over the undersurface of Afghanistan.
And this makes it really easy for them to run hundreds of thousands of tons of opium back to the different places for distribution by using these tunnels.
But nobody knows about these tunnels.
I do because I flew over there.
I work for a company called...
Trans-American Airways, and I was stationed in Dubai, and my run was from Dubai up to Kabul and Kandahar.
And during that time, I was reading a book by James Michener called Caravans, and that details the whole...
A situation of what's going on in Afghanistan written from the standpoint of a guy who was in the State Department in 1955.
So I was there in 1976 and of course it hadn't changed any then and in 1955 he writes that it hadn't changed in 2000 years.
So all the information I had was current when I went in there.
Basically, we had gone in there to take over the opium trade, we took it over, and that's where most of our black budget comes from.
A little teeny portion comes from the budget listed as black operations, but it's not as much as we get from the illegal drug trade.
Fair enough.
So, do you believe that Trump is actually, as reported, going in there and burning the poppy fields?
I don't know.
I don't have any reports from that, but they're not going to let him.
You have to understand that the President of the United States, first of all, he doesn't have high enough clearance to know what's going on.
Clearance works like this, or did 30 years ago.
I haven't been in it for so long, but Top Secret was the lowest clearance you could get.
And above that, there's 38 levels.
There's 28 levels of Top Secret crypto, each one higher than the other, and then at 21, then 29, it becomes a name instead of a number.
So above Top Secret 28, it then becomes Umbra or Ultra or the top one is Majestic.
But the President of the United States only has a clearance like Top Secret Crypto 17.
He doesn't know very much.
He's not told very much.
When he's elected, a couple days after he's elected, the people that really run this country go and tell him what he's going to be doing and what he can't do.
And that's all the President of the United States does.
He doesn't have a clearance to know what else is going on.
Most of them can't even get into Area 51.
Yeah, I think that's right.
Okay, fair enough.
What about these rumors that are going around of arrests that, again, that Trump is responsible for sending in and doing a lot of arrests and sending a lot of pedophiles and various banksters over to Guantanamo Bay?
Have you heard those rumors?
The rumors I heard, and I was over there At Gulf War I, is number one, when Saddam Hussein went to the United States ambassador to Kuwait and said,
would you mind if we attacked, or went to the U.S. ambassador, April Gillespie, I think it was 1990, Saddam Hussein said, would you mind if I attack Saudi Arabia from the north?
And April Gadsby says, no, we have no objection.
So that was why Saddam Hussein did that.
And so we had already secretly planned to To defend it, like it had just all of a sudden happened.
But, you know, I lived in Egypt.
I was good friends with Salim bin Laden, who was the Osama bin Laden's half-brother.
And that family did 90% of the construction in Saudi Arabia.
And let's see, this was in 1980.
They were...
And, you know...
Solemn bin Laden had a real nice apartment there in Cairo, and a friend of mine who was on the Blackbird Project up at Groom Lake became his right-hand man, Cecil McBain.
And so I would spend time there in Egypt with Cecil and Solemn, and they would talk about the stuff that they were building inside Saudi Arabia, and those were the The hangars, the underground hangars for the stealth fighter, which hadn't even been announced yet.
So we planned for that big Gulf War 25 years in advance.
Now, when it came to really do it, we thought that Russia might be a threat, so we went to Gorbachev and said, if you will promise Not to give Saddam Hussein any help, either intelligence or weapons or personnel.
We will give you an SR-71, teach you how to fly it, and support it for five years.
And, of course, we did.
Russia, as promised, didn't help Saddam Hussein.
We flew the SR-71 over there.
It was there for five years.
I don't know what happened after that, but, you know, there was 50 of those things built.
People think there's only 34 of them.
And, you know, some of them are still in use.
But anyway, after Gulf War I was finished, from the Persian Gulf, our Navy vessels launched over a thousand cruise missiles into Iraq.
And the only reason we did that is we wanted to piss them off.
And the reason we wanted to piss them off is we need enemies.
And the reason we need enemies is If we don't have any enemies, we can't get any money from Congress to support our block project.
And so when we ran out of the final enemy there in Grenada and a couple of those other little countries, we had to manufacture an enemy.
And so the first thing we did was bomb the World Trade Center 1, 2, and 7.
How did we do that?
Well, first of all, we needed At least $40 billion.
and the way we got that was to fake going to the moon.
And Apollo, Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo.
None of them did very much.
Most of them were fake.
But the biggest one that was fake was the Apollo going to the moon.
We never went to the moon.
We never got out of low Earth orbit because of the Van Allen belt.
Except that we do have bases right now as we speak on the moon, as you know.
What'd you say?
I said, you know, we have bases on the moon and Mars right now.
I doubt on Mars, but I was the first one to say that the people lived on the moon, the actual number of the people that lived on the moon is 3 billion people.
And they've been there for...
Many, many hundreds of thousands of years.
The moon has been in existence for 38 million years.
It's been orbiting Earth for 10,000 years.
And there's a society up there, a civilization, with 3 billion people.
If you want to go to the web and go to Bruce Sees All.
That's B-R-U-C-E and then Sees S-E-E-S and then All A-L-L. He has 30 videos of most fantastic pictures of the of the industrial complex all over the moon.
It's not on the backside, and they're not bases.
They're entire civilizations up there.
There's all kinds of factories and buildings and all kinds of stuff.
They're the most amazing videos I've ever seen.
And what he did was he has a 14-inch telescope, and he invented a way to penetrate The hologram that covers the moon with what we see.
We see a gray area and a few craters here and there.
But that's just a hologram we're looking at.
And he figured out how to take this 14-inch telescope and penetrate that hologram and make videos.
And they're on YouTube right now, and they're fantastic.
People look at that, and they can't imagine how many buildings there are all over the near side.
Of course, we can't see the far side, but there's got to be at least that many, and there's thousands of them.
So when you say base is on the moon, we're certainly not there.
They don't have room.
There's a housing shortage up there.
Why would they let us land there?
But anyway, the whole moon program was fake, and the reason was that they needed $40 billion for the secret space program.
Now, we have 2,000 astronauts up there launching almost every day.
We tell the public, NASA tells the public that we had to beg the Russians for a ride up to the ISS. Over in Quadrant Island in South Pacific, we launch at least two or three rockets a week up there.
There's so much going on there, it's almost unbelievable.
But that's where we got the money, was from the $40 billion we appropriated from the Apollo program, which we didn't spend there.
We spent it making these...
The things that we have in orbit.
Now, we have 15 direct energy weapons up there.
If you want to know what a direct energy weapon is, just pick up Judy Wood's book, Where Do the Towers Go?, and you'll see what they can do.
Now, these direct energy weapons, the first time they used it was at the Mira building in Oklahoma City when they destroyed the Murad building and blame Timothy Day on it.
He had nothing to do with it.
They fired at half power.
Then when 9-11 comes on, we want to create our enemy.
And so we picked on the Muslims and we said the Muslims flew over an airplane and crashed into the building, which is absolute total nonsense.
There were no airplanes.
There were no airplane crashes.
Those were holograms.
Now, we had developed holograms since the 60s.
And we made it perfect so that you would think, everybody said, well, I saw it on TV! No, he didn't.
He saw a hologram on TV. There was no airplanes.
People talk about, well, I saw it crash in.
No, you saw a hologram crashing into the building.
There was no airplanes.
There's no airplane parts.
When you figure those two airplanes that supposedly crashed in buildings one and two, between the two Boeing airplanes, there's six million parts.
Each part of an airplane has to be stamped and approved for manufacture.
By a certain manufacturer and it has to be approved by the FAA. Of all those six million parts, how many do you think were found in the wreckage of the World Trade Center?
None.
Zero.
No parts.
No engines.
Absolutely no engines.
There was one fake engine there on Murray Street.
After 9-11, but that happened that the perpetrators put there to make people think that an engine fell over there, but it was the wrong engine.
There's two engines on the 7-5-7-6-7, and that was the wrong one.
United is the one that crashed into that tower near Murray Street.
And the one they found was General Electric.
So there were so many screw-ups in that.
In the Pentagon, that was a flyby.
There was no crash into the Pentagon there.
I'm trying to think.
April, the girl that was 40 feet from where the bomb went off, People say that an airplane went in there or a drone or a helicopter or something.
Nothing went in there.
That was just an explosion.
And they had an airplane, a Boeing 757, do a flyby just to the north of the Citgo station there.
And they coincided it.
So when it went abeam, where the explosion went off, it just pulled up a few hundred feet and landed at Andrews Air Force Base, which was about 15 miles away.
And the Shanksville crash with...
We have that whole fantastic story about Let's Roll.
That was all BS. None of that happened.
What they did is...
They just faked that when they flew an airplane over there and did a couple of rolls and told everybody that was the one that crashed.
But there wasn't one single piece of airplane that they found at Jenksville.
And the thing they forgot because of the people that ran the scam, the 9-11 scam, didn't know that in all Boeing airplanes and all other airplanes, they have a secret unit called the ACORS unit.
And that's down inside the airplane, and what it does is it records the engine speed, the engine temperature, the lat-long position of the airplane, another vital data, sends it to a satellite, and that satellite transmits it down to the company It made it.
For instance, the airframe information goes to Boeing.
The engine information goes to Rolls-Royce.
And what they didn't know is that thing is not controlled by the pilot.
It's deep inside the airplane.
And that thing ran for four hours after Shanksville, after it supposedly crashed.
It still ran for four hours.
And that's when they were flying the airplane back to Groom Lake, which where it came from.
Okay, incredible.
Wow, what a tour de force.
Well, I appreciate that, John.
Great information.
So, my question...
You know, the whole reason for this was to create an enemy, Muslim.
We said Muslims through the airplane.
There were no airplanes.
There were no Muslims.
We're just making an enemy because if we don't have an enemy, we can't get money out of Congress.
It's just that simple.
I agree with you, and yeah, absolutely.
What I wanted to know is, had you heard about the Guantanamo Bay so-called arrests by President Trump?
Had you heard anything about this?
Just briefly.
I didn't follow it very closely.
Okay, so are you, in other words, you don't believe it?
No, I don't know.
All right.
Okay, is there any other recent news that you've been hearing that you think is false?
No, I think I've covered most of what's going on.
Okay.
Because, you know, you have been really on this situation.
As a pilot, you have a very good perspective, which I think people can benefit from.
But I'm wondering, you know, there's a lot of misinformation, disinformation out there right now.
Do you think it's going to get worse this year?
Absolutely.
And what I tell people is the reason we're all on Earth One thing, and that is to live our lives with integrity, without envy, hate, or greed, and to express our love to our families each and every day.
We're not here to make money.
We're not here to chase women.
We're not here to build buildings.
We're here just to live our lives with integrity, without envy, hate, or greed, and to express our love to our families each and every day.
You don't have to worry about any asteroids colliding with Earth.
The people that made us are not going to let that happen.
You don't have to worry about the eight biggest families going to reduce the population of 7 billion down to 500 million.
That's all BS. You don't have anything to worry about.
Okay, fair enough.
So is there anything else you want to tell us about some of these recent sightings, some of the things that have been coming out, some of the information about UFO things that have been covered up by MJ-12?
You've been following it for so many years.
I'm sorry, are you asking why?
Is there anything that MJ-12 is doing right now that you're aware of?
Yeah, it's so big, Gary.
What they're doing is they've taken over the entire Nevada test site and the The classification, the security classification that they used to do with Groom Lake, in other words, facial recognition, eyeball recognition, all that stuff used to be just exclusives to Groom Lake.
Now it's for the entire Nevada test site, which is the size of Rhode Island.
And not only that, but they're expanding it to the east and to the west.
To the east, they're expanding it all the way to Gold Butte and Iceberg Canyon and to the west to the Sierra Nevadas.
It's huge!
Now, this secret base that they built starting 20 years ago called Sandia is halfway between the Tonopah Test Range And Groom Lake.
And what they did is they took off the top of the mountain there near Paiute Mesa, and they built the secret base inside it and then put the secret base or put the mountaintop back on.
And then they built the Groom Lake size runway.
Out there at a place called Gold Flats, they called it, and they have that.
Now their problem was, they opened for business here about 15 years ago, and the problem was it takes 2,000 people to run that secret base.
So they had to figure out a way to get 2,000 people back and forth daily between Sandia and Las Vegas.
So they couldn't get more 737s because that would give away that they were taking more people up there.
They couldn't use buses because it took too long.
They couldn't have them drive because they didn't want people driving up to that secret base.
So what they did is they built an underground maglev high-speed subway that goes from the Luxor to the Bellagio and then direct to Sandia in 21 minutes.
And when they were building this thing, what they did is when the stardust was raised, when it was taken down, they used that 74 acres to start the digging of the subway.
When you build an underground operation like the subway, you have to start on top.
You can't start from the bottom.
You have to start on top.
So they needed 74 acres to get all the equipment down there.
And what they did is they built a hotel called the Echelon.
This was built all handled by Boyd Gaming Corporation and they built a fake casino with only the framework of it and the specific reason for the framework was to hide the operation from the people along Las Vegas Boulevard to the East Industrial Boulevard to the West and Desert Inn Road To the north.
And between the framework of the fake Axelon Casino and the walls that they put up, It hid this operation which took about two years to build and then they put the dirt back on and now it was an empty lot until Resorts World bought it a couple of months ago.
And the people that worked on this framework were told that if they even so much as looked over the side at what was going on, they'd be immediately shot by CIA sharpshooters with rifles.
Incredible.
Yeah.
So it was a huge operation, and they threatened any of the local news media that if they breathed the worth about it, they would be sorry.
So that operation has been going on, and that gets people up to the secret test site.
Now, the reason they started at the Luxor is that's just across the street from Festival.
We're the 737s park, so any military guy can come in from the Pentagon or wherever, get on a moving sidewalk, go to 100 feet, it takes him across the, under the street to the Luxor, gets on the subway, it makes one stop at the Bellagio.
The reason they use the Bellagio is because the Bellagio has so many thousands of underground places to park that all these people could park at.
Then they go in an underground tunnel to the elevators and take them down to the subway.
And that's how they get them on there.
So it takes 21 minutes to get up to Sandia.
I hear you.
Okay, there's a guy.
I've got a chat room alongside the show and someone wants to ask you if you know if the Goodwood crash retrieval is real.
Which witchcraft?
The crash retrieval called Goodwood, it looks like they wrote.
You ever heard of that?
No, I'm sorry.
I'm not sure if that's the name.
The biggest craft I know of is they operate out of Macrahanish over in Scotland.
And we have heard, the public has told stories about fusion.
Fusion is the opposite or different from fission.
And it's a tremendous source of power.
It's so secret that even the Skunk Works a couple of weeks ago put out a story that we wouldn't see fusion engines for another decade, when in fact it's been used by the Navy for over 10 years.
And it's very small, much smaller than a nuclear reactor, but 10 times more powerful.
And what they do is they put them in all their new naval craft and they have a material that they use on the hull.
The whole plates, which are normally just steel, they put this plating called D.D. It's made in space, in orbit, in the Navy orbiting factories up there, and brought down by an airplane 10 times the size of a Boeing 747, lands near Macronish, and then it's shipped all over both to the British and to us, and the naval shipyards up there, and I think it's made in there.
But anyway, what this does, what this material is called D.D. What it does is it has, when you attach an electrical source to it and power it up, what it does is it keeps the ocean about five to, or from three to seven centimeters away from the hull, which means it has absolutely no drag.
And what that does is it enables aircraft carriers to go upwards of 100 knots, sometimes 125 knots, which is unbelievable.
That goes on every day, but it's a secret.
And so many other things that are secret, it's unbelievable how much the public doesn't know.
Okay.
Thank you.
Someone wants to know about the SpaceX launch, the recent launch.
There was something, some weird pictures taken.
Did you hear anything about that?
I heard about it.
I don't know anything about it.
All right.
Well, when we're on this subject, you did say very rich men like Elon Musk and Bigelow are basically used as kind of covers for the secret space program.
Can you elaborate?
No, I just know the one about Bigelow and how that they probably attracted him.
Like I say, if there's anything they hate, it's somebody that's interested in UFOs and has money.
So they have to divert their attention to somewhere else.
Let me cover one quick thing here, Gary, before I... Sign off.
There's one other thing I didn't tell you about.
The 15 western states of the United States are on a plate that floats on the Pacific Ocean.
And naval submarines can go under those 15 states, anywhere around under those 15 states.
The way I found it out, completely by accident, is driving back and forth between Las Vegas and Reno.
Halfway between is a little town called Hawthorne.
And there's hardly anything there.
There's a Navy base called the Naval Undersea Training Center.
They have a little lake there.
It's 15 miles long, 100 feet deep, so you couldn't put a submarine in that.
But what I found out is they have an elevator that goes down from the surface at Hawthorne down 3,400 feet to the level of the Pacific Ocean.
And they have three or four inches on the Pacific Coast.
One of them is at Monterey Bay.
One of them is at Malibu.
And they can just take their submarines, go in, And go anywhere under these 15 states.
Lake Tahoe is one of the places they can go.
Pyramid Lake is one of the places.
There's probably 15 or 20 they can go to that Navy base north of Edwards Air Force Base.
They can go all over the place.
But it's a really interesting operation and very few people know about it.
Now, the reason they picked Hawthorne is because Hawthorne has traditionally been the place to develop specific weapons and ammunition for submarines.
And before they found out about the Pacific Ocean underlying 15 Western States, they had to ship it north to Alameda or south to San Diego.
And in addition to these, they have the Navy...
High-speed tubes that can take Navy personnel or any other personnel all around the world in minutes.
And this was not built by us.
This was built to a prior civilization.
The Earth is 15 billion years old and there have been thousands of civilizations far more advanced than we are.
On the Earth.
But there's a time they come to an end and they terminate it.
They take the Earth and they mix it all up.
And that's why you find complete cities like off the coast of Japan, under the Sahara Desert, complete cities that aren't used anymore.
And we're just in the middle of making another city there.
But all of that has been going on.
Okay, very good.
Someone wants to know about the Dulce whistleblower, Thomas Costello.
They want to know if he survived.
You know anything about that?
No, I don't think so.
I was the one that originally got caught up in that.
There was eight UFO researchers in 1988 that met up in Crestone, Colorado.
And during that meeting, Tom Adams from Texas came up to me and says, John, I got this letter and I wondered if you'd handle it to me.
See, I just don't have the time and I'm not going to get to Las Vegas.
So he gave me the letter that was written to him by Jerry Hinkle.
Jerry Hinkle was who I called Mr.
X. There was no Mr.
X, it was Cherry.
And when I got, I took this letter, when I got back from the conference there in Crustone, I met with her in Henderson, and she told me about Thomas Costello, and she showed me some of the drawings and the photos that he had made.
And...
I was just talking about that today with somebody on Facebook, and I was the one that originally wrote the Dulce papers, and the information I got was from Cherry, whose friend worked as a security guard there.
Now when he decided to escape and get out of there because he didn't like the things that were going on, he made six packets of information.
Each packet held 25 black and white photos, 6 minutes of videotape of a hallway, what went up and down the hallway, and 100 pages of information.
And he took 6 packets of those, And put them in containers, sealed, waterproof, and sealed, and gave them to six of his friends.
And he said, I'm going to contact you every four months to let you know I'm okay.
But if they find me, he said, I won't be able to contact you if I miss two meetings.
In other words, if I miss eight months, you can do whatever you want with that information.
So in 1996, he missed two meetings.
And I'm not sure exactly how it happened, but I think Cherry either led or was involved in three of the expeditions to cover the packet that she had been given and hid between Kingman and Las Vegas.
She actually drove me there when I first learned about it.
This would have been in 1988.
She drove me there and showed me approximately where it was hidden.
Now, in 1996, I was busy flying, so I didn't get a chance to look for it, but I know the guys that were there, and they put on a good search, but they never did find it, and none of the other packages were found either.
But yes, the Dulce story is true.
I went there in 1988.
And Gabe Valdez was the head of the highway patrol there.
And I called him up.
I said, Mr.
Valdez, you don't know me.
My name is...
He said, I know who you are, John.
You came here 20 years ago with Dean Martin or, you know, when Dean Martin was filming a movie here and you brought his girlfriend and fresh steaks from Van Nuys in the Learjet.
I was the one that met you there.
So anyway, I told him my interest in the...
Dulce and the other stuff was going on and he invited me to drive with him on his nightly tour and we left Dulce at 10 o'clock and didn't return until 6 o'clock in the morning and it was such an interesting time and I kept close contact with Gabe Valdez until he passed away a couple years ago.
So, yes, Thomas Catello is a real guy.
I never met him, but I certainly was familiar with the information he gave to Cherry.
And I was the one that wrote the Dulce papers, and I was the one that drew the pictures that are in the Dulce papers.
Now, those pictures Cherry drew in pencil...
From the photos that Thomas showed her, I was the one that took those pencil drawings and redid them with a felt-tip pen so they were easier to see.
And the information on the front of the Dulce paper is easy to prove that it's mine because it was typed on an IBM executive The typewriter that I bought in 1965 always had with me is one of the very few that are still operating or were operating at that time.
And that's the typeface that's used there.
And the IBM executive was the first typewriter to use proportional spacing.
And so that's how I can prove that page one of the Dulce papers was fine.
Okay.
Who was Branton then?
Branton?
Yeah.
He's the one that lived in Utah that wrote the Branton Files, which gave me so much information.
I don't know how he got that much information, but if anybody can get it, I think they're on the web.
I have a binder here, a three-inch binder, just full of the Branton Files, which were tremendously informative and interesting.
Yeah, you know, they've been wrapped into a book by a television producer named Robert Tisk.
They're on the front page of my website.
If anyone wants to buy his books, there's three of them, at least three of them.
Excellent information.
He just compiled all the information he could find.
Yeah, it's amazing, the information.
Yeah, excellent stuff.
Well, I don't want to keep you too long.
You've been a really, you know, very, very good trooper sticking with us here, John.
One last question.
I know you're in touch with Bob Lazar.
Has Bob Lazar said anything about this recent?
Have you guys talked about the Tic Tac and the whole thing?
No.
Is there one thing about Bob Lazar, if you know him and you want to be friends, you don't ever mention UFOs or anything to do with UFOs.
But Bob saved my life last fall.
I was, because of a back injury and my plane crash in 1961, as I get older, I'm 75 now, my pain gets worse and worse, so I was taking oxycodone and methadone.
And in May is when the DEA started cutting, making anybody using opioids to cut back, cut half every month.
And then also they said, your doctor can't issue the prescription.
You have to go to a pain specialist, which I did.
I gave him a urine sample.
Two days later, they call my wife and say, we can't treat your husband anymore because he's been taking methamphetamine.
Well, Kerry, that is so ridiculous that I would take methamphetamine.
First of all, I haven't left my den in eight years, and I'm not going to take methamphetamine on top of oxycodone or methadone.
Somebody had spiked my sample.
And what happened is my doctor took the false drug stand, gave it to the pharmacy, gave it to the pharmacy, violation of HIPAA Act of 1996 and doctor-patient confidentiality, but the pharmacy now could not issue any pain medication.
Then the next thing, two days later, I get a letter from my provider saying that because I'm taking illegal drugs, that they're not going to give me any more...
Uh, insurance or provide a doctor.
So, uh, on, uh, roughly May, June 15th, I was forced into involuntary detox and having been on oxycodone and methadone for three years, it was brutal.
I mean, brutal.
I nearly died.
And, uh, I called Bob Lazar about three weeks into this thing.
I said, Bob, I'm not going to make it.
And he told me, he said, well, go get this stuff.
It's called Kratom.
K-R-A-T-O-M. It comes out of Portland, Oregon.
There's several companies that handle it, and it saved my life.
It's just a natural substance.
It has no opioids and nothing illegal in it.
However, it's been so useful for people.
The DEA in the first 90 days of 2018 is going to make it a legal Schedule I dangerous drug, the same as heroin, cocaine, and drugs.
And marijuana and heroin cocaine and fentanyl.
And so anyway, he saved my life by telling me about Kratom.
75 days into detox, I was so weak I couldn't pick up a TV changer.
And he told me to go get this stuff called 5-HTP. And five weeks later, I got my energy back.
And now I'm feeling great.
And Kerry, as you know, you're up at my birthday here.
And people who know me and have seen me for the last three years are saying, Wait, you were blocked off?
We didn't hear that last sentence.
What did they say people have been saying?
What they've been saying is since I've, you know, in the last three years, I've been on these opioids.
Now I'm completely free of it.
I'm in my 170th day of detox, and people are saying, when they hear me talk and converse with them, they say, hey, it's John Lear.
He's back.
He's taking names and kicking ass.
There you go.
Great to hear.
Well, thank you.
I'm so happy that you're feeling better, John.
You look a lot better.
And it was lovely to be at your birthday.
And that was such an honor.
And you're just an amazing man.
So I know everyone's enjoyed this conversation.
People have questions for you.
Is there some way they can write to you, ask their questions?
We didn't have time for tonight.
Actually, if they just go to Facebook, if that's not a problem, I have a Facebook page.
It's John Lear, and I try to answer all the questions I can.
Excellent.
Okay, that's great.
All right, well, we'll check back with you.
It's lovely to have such a source as yourself to clarify what's going on out there.
Thank you, Carrie.
Anytime.
Give me a call.
I hope I wasn't too combative.
Oh, no.
You're great.
You're just a doll.
And thank you so much.
Look, have a great night, okay?
Thank you, Carrie.
Good night.
All right.
Take care.
Okay.
Bye-bye.
Okay, I think we've got that wrapped up there, and I want to thank everyone.
I guess I have this picture back on me now.
So thanks, everyone, for watching tonight.
Hopefully, you know, I have this other screen where I kind of see your questions, and I see also...
What's going on on the screen?
I guess there's a slight delay so hopefully everyone can see what's happening here and I've gotten this thing back.
Anyway, so just want to say thanks for watching tonight and it's It's been awesome to listen to John and to hear his take on all of this.
And what we're going to do tomorrow is interview Patricia Corey.
And she's a fascinating woman, really a prolific writer.
And she's a channeler as well as what you might call an experiencer.
A very, very smart lady.
And she's talking about the Syrians.
So she's in touch with them.
And what she calls the Syrian High Council.
So we're going to be hearing her story.
That's tomorrow at one o'clock in the afternoon Pacific time.
So stay tuned for that.
And I want to say that I'm also looking into where we're putting together a trip to Egypt myself and Maria Wheatley.
And we're going to be inviting some more speakers.
So if you go to my website, you go to events, to the events tab, and click on that, and you should see the itinerary for the Egypt trip.
That's coming up in April.
I think it's the 4th to the 14th.
And then we're going to spend a couple days in Jordan and go to Petra.
If everything works out as planned, we need a minimum of 10 people to be on board so that we can cover our costs and the costs of the guests and also hiring the guide.
We have a lovely guide that I went with in 2012.
I took a group tour to Egypt in 2012 that was highly I think we had Michael Tellinger and Hugh Newman and Rebecca Jernigan, and it was a great trip.
So this time around, it's Maria Wheatley, myself, and some to be mentioned or named other speakers.
But if you're interested, please do sign up and fill out the form and send that in and so on.
So like I say, tomorrow at one o'clock we'll have Patricia Corey.
That'll be a fascinating discussion.
And she, by the way, has also written a book about Egypt.
She's got a fascinating book about her past life recall in Egypt and then her going back and being triggered by going back there.
So I read that many years ago.
Tried to get in touch with her, and it's taken quite a long time, but we're finally in touch, and so that's going to be tomorrow at 1 o'clock.
Please do read my article on this whole Tic Tac sighting and what my source, my deep source, has said, that this is, again, these craft, and there's actually more than one.
There was a series of sightings of that same kind of group of craft or one craft.
There were many crafts that were similar and they were apparently a fleet and they are ours according to my source.
Now sources can lie, sources can be deceived by their own sources, but this is a pretty deep black source and I'm not sure that he would have a reason to lie about this.
I can say that He's also saying that the arrests at Guantanamo are not what they appear to be and that the real perpetrators, at least of the pedophile situation here on planet Earth, are never going to be prosecuted.
That's what he says he works for the secret government, so to speak.
So, take it for what it's worth and stay tuned for Project Camelot and we will continue to try to So thank you
very much.
And so we'll be back tomorrow at 1 p.m.
in the afternoon and thanks for watching.
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