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Dec. 1, 2017 - Project Camelot
01:43:54
HARRY COOPER: THE 4TH REICH & AUTHOR OF "HITLER IN ARGENTINA" STILL ALIVE AFTER WWII
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Thank you.
Thank you.
And his name is Harry Cooper and he has written a book called Hitler in Argentina about Hitler still being alive I believe after the war and we're gonna find out more about that book and so I just kind of stumbled on him being out there so we haven't done a lot of research with regard to what he covers but I'm always interested in people that have some background in this subject because we are
delving into the forthright and we're going to be talking about that and how that continued and is influencing our government at this time.
So I want to welcome you, Harry, and I'm going to put you on the screen here.
Say hello to everyone.
Good afternoon.
Okay.
All right.
And as I say, it's great to have you on the show.
What I'm going to do here is you've got a brief bio here that I'm going to look over and kind of skim with the audience.
And then what I'll do is ask you to augment it.
So it's on my website, projecthamlott.tv.
And it says, I am the foremost expert on the history of the German U-boats and also the escape of Adolf Hitler.
Unlike other researcher writers who read a few documents in other people's books to produce their own book, which is almost, I guess, theories without proof or substance.
He reads documents and goes where the history is made.
He goes to Germany, Austria, and on an average of two times each year since 1988, he's been to South America nine times in the past eight years and has taken photos of these historic places and interviewed people there who give him first-hand information.
And he has been contacted by a major television production company in Buenos Aires, which says they are going to fly him down there to do a documentary on the tragic loss of the submarine Ara San Juan.
And he has a fact-finding expedition scheduled for March 2018.
To Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, and Paraguay.
And he's very interested in peeling back the layers of the onion, as he calls it, finding out answers to questions about history.
And he's been in the Air Force for four years.
He's commanded a six-man team loading hydrogen bombs onto bombers.
And 12 years as a Coast Guard auxiliary and was a flotilla commander.
And he also has driven race cars.
And all of this is on my website and then linked to his site as well.
And he told me he'd actually been a broadcaster before that for a short time.
He's also written for boating publications.
He sold everything and bought a 30-foot sailboat and sailed to the Bahamas.
And lived there for eight years.
So, as I say, his book is called Hitler in Argentina.
He says he's got actually 10 books, if I remember the number correctly.
So that's quite a resume.
You're an interesting man, Harry.
Thank you, Carrie.
Actually, 10 books was a little while ago.
My 21st book is coming out by Christmas time.
Oh, no.
Okay.
Wow.
Wow.
There are about a dozen books on U-boat history, and each chapter is a separate stand-alone memory by a different veteran, usually a German U-boat guy, but sometimes from the American side, because we tell both sides of the story without propaganda, without prejudice, just straight facts.
A couple of them are flyboy books about the Luftwaffe and the Air Force, And then the big one, that's this guy here, Hitler in Argentina.
It's a best-selling book.
It was the first major work out about Hitler escaping, and we came out with it in the late 1980s.
We put the story into our magazine, and then this book came out in 2006.
Oh, wow.
So it's been out for a while.
Not meaning to pat myself on the back when I say that I am probably the foremost authority.
There are other people who've written books on this topic.
Dr.
Jerome Corsi wrote one and he came out after my book and he sent me emails a couple weeks ago that my research is superb and he has followed us and he apparently thinks our work is excellent.
The difference between The books I write on this topic and the other people, they read reports from the FBI, CIA. We have had all those reports plus a lot more that we wangled out of the FBI. But they are pretty much by themselves in researching.
My group, Shark Hunters, has members in 77 countries.
A lot of them are spooks, people who are in the intel business, and they do the groundwork for me.
They tell me, hey, we've got so-and-so down here who has seen such and such.
Okay, so I put together two weeks' worth of people to visit, get on a plane.
I go down to Argentina.
I go over to Germany, wherever the people are, wherever the place is that needs photos, wherever the people are, I need to talk to.
These other books.
Copy from different writers, etc.
And they put footnotes, which is the proper way to do it.
But you won't find any footnotes in my books because I don't copy from anybody else's book.
Mine is all from first-person stuff.
Files, research, going to visit these people, talking to them.
I was probably the first guy of the later genre of Hitler researchers to have been to the estate where Hitler lived in Argentina.
Fascinating.
Okay, so maybe we could do...
First, I guess what I want to do here is...
And I hope you don't mind my asking you this, but I know you were on George Knapp's show and you sent around this newsletter saying that he had you on the show and then someone said you're a Nazi and then he did sort of a disclaimer and said, I don't know, called you names or whatever...
I'm not sure that's completely accurate because I don't know, but I'm not sure how you want to characterize all that.
But can you talk to us about what happened with George Knapp and why he thinks you're a Nazi and are you a Nazi?
No, I'm not a Nazi.
I'm a Republican, which is probably better than a lot of times.
Okay, just kidding.
I'm not a Nazi.
I've never been a Nazi.
I've served honorably in the United States Air Force and the United States Coast Guard Auxiliary.
I did a couple of the book ops for the CIA in the Soviet Union and also in Red China.
I'm a hardcore American patriot.
And what is a Nazi?
Nobody even knows, but it's a dandy term to throw at people.
So George Knapp interviewed me and When we were done and we were off the air but still on the phone, he told me it was an outstanding interview, one of the best he had ever done.
Okay, thank you, George.
Goodbye.
I get up the next morning and one of several of our members, we've got members in 77 countries, a little over 8,000 members, several of them emailed and said that the next day he was on his show and more or less apologizing for having me on.
And they said that the word Nazi was thrown around.
And so I sent him an email.
Oh, and he apologized to his listeners for having me on his show.
Without even contacting me to ask, you know, was this true?
What's going on?
So I sent him a rather unflattering email back.
Somehow I referred to him using Monica Lewinsky type knee pads and he sent back an email and told me where I should shove it and he called me a rather unpleasant name.
So we've gotten a ton of emails from our members and most are not very flattering to Mr.
Knapp and so we're going to I gave him the opportunity to back off But he just kept saying unpleasant things.
So we're going to put together an expose about him and his network.
And we'll let everybody know when it's time.
Thank you.
Yeah, I just wanted to clarify that because I did see that you sent that around.
It at least came into my email today.
And so I just wanted to get that out of the way.
And I do appreciate your point of view and where you're coming from.
Obviously, you have, you know, been a soldier for the United States government, and that's...
That doesn't preclude in my world, of course, being a Nazi, but on the other hand, it's a philosophy, and I understand that there are a lot of what we call closet, you could call them closet Nazis or whatever you want to call them, The Nazi idea is really more about being a fascist.
I think when you say Nazi, in many ways you're harking back to the Third Reich and the philosophy of the Nazis in Nazi Germany.
I understand That that may be leveled at you.
And is that because you study this area deeply?
You know, there are a number of people and I understand Joseph Farrell writes quite a lot about this.
He has a number of books.
And certainly the late Jim Mars.
I don't know if you...
I knew Jim Mars, but Jim Mars had a book out called The Fourth Reich.
And no one would call them Nazis, I don't think.
So, you know, I appreciate.
I just wanted to put that out there for you.
If I can interrupt, Farrell was a member of Shark Hunters for several years.
Jim Mars was a member of Shark Hunters until his passing.
He and I did a couple of shows together on Rent's radio.
He's a very fine gentleman.
And...
I guess the reason, maybe, I don't know, it started out with the Southern Poverty Law Center, which some people refer to as the spit lickers.
I have members in shark hunt, anybody can be a member of shark hunters.
So we have hundreds, hundreds of German veterans And so, of course, when the Spitlickers saw this and they're listed all on my website, go to sharkhunters.com and click on members and all the military people who were members are listed there.
Germans, yes, from World War II, Germans of current day, but RAF pilots, U.S. Navy submarine.
And the woman from the Spitlickers called me and she was trying to point me into a corner, you know, a lot like asking, have you stopped beating your wife?
And she didn't want to hear about the Americans.
I told her Ronald Reagan was a member, which is true.
He was an honest-to-God member.
We wrote back and forth.
He was a member from 1991 until his passing.
The four Medal of Honor-winning American submarine commanders were members, the four who lived through the war.
Seven earned the medal, but three posthumously.
The most highly decorated American submariner ever in history was a guest in my house, Admiral Fluckey.
He was a member.
He was on our board, but that doesn't count because they were trying to fit a narrative.
So I think that's what prompted the Nazi tournament.
They've got me listed as a Nazi on their website, and I'm not a Nazi.
And people say, well, why don't you sue them?
Okay, well, here I am, private individual without even a savings account.
Incidentally, nobody at Shark Hunters gets paid.
We're all volunteers, every one of us.
Here I am a private individual with no savings account and not a lot of money and there they are with hundreds of attorneys on staff and they bring in like 50 million dollars a year.
It would be kind of spitting into the wind.
I appreciate that.
Well, can you tell us why did you choose the term shark hunters?
I thought it was clever when I founded shark hunters way back in 1983.
Submarines and sharks are gray.
They live underwater and they hunt.
So I thought, and we hunt their history.
This came about while I was a yacht bum on my sailboat.
I had been a Grand National Stock Car racer and spent my Sunday afternoons at 190 miles an hour on the super speedways.
Suddenly, everything went upside down.
I blew a couple of engines, and I lost a couple of sponsors, so I figured I'd tag with it.
Sold everything I owned, bought a 30-foot sailboat, put an ad in Cruising World magazine for a female crew companion, got over 200 direct ties, and left with a blonda brunette and a redhead.
They were 24, 24, and 25 years old, and I was 40.
It was a pleasant time, besides the obvious.
The key is there was no stress.
Stress will kill you.
We'd be in the Bahamas.
I get up in the morning, I have a hot mug of tea, and I look at the island 100 feet away, and I think, do I want to swim?
Or do I want to run on the beach?
Do I want another cup of tea?
Oh, just put off the decision until later.
Or there's an island a half a mile away.
We've got to go visit that island.
Tomorrow, next week, maybe next month, stress will kill you.
So, during this bouncing around in the Bahamas, I came across a unique island, Darby Island.
It was round.
Most Bahamian islands are long and skinny.
And if you walk, usually either west or east, depending on the chain, if you walk off one direction, you can walk for miles and not get your armpits wet.
If you walk off the other direction, two steps and you're in Mother Ocean.
But we found this one island that was round.
Three miles diameter roughly and it was a working plantation during the war years because it had fresh water wells which is rare in the Bahamas and there was a ruins of a mansion on the hilltop and so I asked the old caretaker what was going on and he said that the owner who was a Brit who hated the crown because they taxed him he was according to the caretaker he was selling or giving fresh Water
and food to German U-boats.
And he showed me where to chop through the underbrush and go by the ruins of the Radio Shack and the Varex, and they were there.
So when he told me that the German U-boats had been coming there, my first reaction, of course, was, those dirty Nazis, because that's what we were taught.
I was a kid in the war years.
We were taught Germans were all Nazis.
They machine gunned people in the water for sport.
They prayed to Hitler because they hate God.
And in a war you have to have propaganda.
You can't tell your soldiers the guy on the other side of the battlefield in the other uniform he's got a wife and children like you do and he wants to get home to them like you do and he goes to the same church you do now go and kill him you'd have people questioning things so you have to make them out as monsters.
So anyhow Finally, after some years, I reached into my wallet and I had five bucks left.
So I sailed back, put the boat into a marina in Florida, hitchhiked.
Can you believe that?
A former vice president of a company.
I'm hitchhiking up the highway back to Chicago.
Mooched a room for my sister until I could get going again.
And then I researched.
And these guys were not Nazis.
They were not allowed to belong to any political party at all.
They did not machine gun people in the water.
It happened only one time and they were machine gunning crates to sink them and the survivors were hiding on the backside of the crates because they had been told the Germans will shoot them.
And a couple of them were hit by the bullets.
In the early stages of the war, they would right the lifeboats and make sure everybody was okay.
One of our members was a merchant captain.
And he was sunk in the North Atlantic by a U-boat.
And he said the U-boat surfaced and came alongside his lifeboat because he was the skipper.
And the U-boat skipper asked if they needed medical help.
No, everybody was okay.
And so he gave our member a compass and a map and told which direction to steer to find land.
Then he said, I'd give you some fresh water, except our water's all bad, so can you take a couple cases of beer instead?
So they said they were out to sink ships, not to kill men.
Excuse me, you'll have a bit of coughing, because we had our cold snap here in Florida, and the first cold snap, everybody gets a sore throat.
After a certain point, once the Allies, the Americans, and the Brits, once we gained the upper hand, the submarines couldn't stay on the surface, so they just didn't help anybody.
They sank them and went away.
That's what submarine warfare is all about.
You come up on somebody, they don't know you're there, you fire a torpedo into them, and you sink them, and you go away.
So that's where we got a lot of our information for our books and our magazine.
We published an online magazine.
But the thing that really, really made me get interested, when I was researching, I found that the German U-Motors had the worst survival rate of any military force ever in history.
As a comparison, the United States Navy submarine force had the worst loss of any American military.
One man out of seven was killed, and it's a terrible loss ratio.
But on the German side, it was just the opposite.
One man out of seven came home.
30,000 out of about 39,000 were killed in action.
We never found any instance of anybody deserting.
They got on board their boat and knew the other guys' boats weren't coming back, but their boat was going to be okay.
Most of the time they were wrong.
They didn't come back.
So almost an entire generation of young men was wiped out.
The war is a terrible thing.
But I'm a historian.
I'm not a sociologist.
I'm not saying who was a good guy and who was a bad guy.
I just report the facts, just like Jack Webb on the old Dragnet show.
You're not old enough to remember that, though.
Okay.
Well, that's fascinating.
I wanted to know if you have been, you know, you give these tours, I understand, correct?
Right.
Yes, ma'am.
And so can you tell us why do you do these tours and what is it that people get out of them?
Okay.
Well, the tours very simply are to meet the former enemy.
Our motto in shark hunters is yesterday's enemies are today's friends.
And we started our first one in Key Largo, 1987, February.
I needed an excuse to get out of the Chicago winter.
And we had 40, 50 people show up, 11 U-boat veterans, including three commanders, one who had the Knights Cross.
And the former enemies got along great.
I was sitting at the Tiki Bar I'm Irish.
I used to drink a lot in those days.
I quit.
But I would be sitting at the tiki bar trying to set a new consumption record.
And this one evening I remember on my right was Lieutenant Hans-Georg Hess.
At just barely 21 years of age, he was given command of a combat submarine.
So he was the youngest combat submarine of any nation in World War II. He was on my right, and there was a guy on my left.
Name escapes me.
He was a gunner on an American destroyer.
And so I was busily drinking, and they were talking across my face.
And Hess said, oh, Ray Langheim, that was the gunner.
Ray Langheim was on an American destroyer.
So Captain Hess and Langheim were talking, and one of them says, well, what was your area of patrol?
Well, that was my area.
When were you there?
That's when we were there, too.
And Captain Hess suddenly said, the number on your destroyer was such and such.
Yeah, how did you know?
And Captain Hess said, on such and such a day, I fired two torpedoes at your destroyer, but someone must have seen me because your ship turned and I missed you.
And Ray Langheim said, kind of arrogantly, he says, yeah, he says, so-and-so spotted your torpedoes.
And you missed.
So what do you think about that, Captain?
And Captain Hess slammed his big fist down on the bar.
He said, well, I'm glad we missed.
We have more time for beer now.
The two guys became best bodies.
Yes.
Well, that's true.
Go ahead.
Next year in 88, we went over to Germany.
And we had like 50-something people.
And they turned out all sorts of veterans.
We went to places.
Historic places, the shipyards where the submarines were built, the ports where they were.
And every day, a different U-boat veterans organization had us into their headquarters and we'd be singing and drinking beer.
And the last night we were there, we had a couple of hundred people in this big dining room with, I think, eight people to each table.
And I said, I don't want to see a bunch of Germans over there and a bunch of Americans over here.
Get together.
So we were German-American, German-American, etc.
around the table and I was standing at the back of the room watching to make sure everything was running right and they started playing music and singing and they were arm in arm and swaying to the music and my thought was how could we have ever shot at each other?
We even had one young lady there with her husband from the U.S. Beautiful young lady and she kind of met a current day submarine commander who looked like he was right on the boat and the two of them took off.
She left her husband there at the bar and they took off for a couple of days.
So we make friends everywhere.
Okay well that's you know that's actually a lovely thing to do and it is true that well I have spent time in Jericho in Israel And Jordan.
And I can tell you that the Israelis and the Jordanians and the Palestinians and all kinds of people, the Arabs get along very well when you're just individuals.
You know, it's the governments that have, you know, battles going on.
But the humans get along fine.
So I've seen that worldwide.
You know, lovely people everywhere you go around the world.
Exactly.
And it's not only the Germans and the Americans.
I was invited, I still don't know why, but I was invited by the Commander-in-Chief of the Soviet Navy, Five Star Fleet, Admiral Vladimir Chernevin.
They brought me over there in 1991.
They put me up in an apartment and they gave me a guide.
Turns out later he was Chief of Intelligence for the Soviet Navy, which meant he was KGB. I met all sorts of Russian officers, and to really underscore your point, I was a guest at a round table.
The Russians love round tables.
And I was standing, there were a bunch of admirals all sitting, and each by each, from my left going around, they would ask me a question about submarine history, which I would answer through my translator.
But all the time, right across the table from me was this old admiral with big mutton-chop sideburns, and he was looking at me like he was looking right through me.
So when it came to his turn to ask a question, instead of a submarine history question, he asked, why are you here?
Not real friendly.
And I'm not a shy guy, so I pointed right at him, I said, I was told you're my enemy.
He got all stiff in his chair.
I said, but you were told that I was your enemy, right?
Well, yeah.
I said, I don't see an enemy sitting across the table from me.
I see a man like myself who wants his children to grow up in a peaceful world and grow to their full potential.
Then he agreed.
I said, okay, so let's toast with Pepsi, a great American invention.
He said, no, we will drink vodka, a great Russian invention.
I said, okay, see?
We're talking on the same page again.
And like somebody threw a switch.
They were all on their feet, smiling, laughing, and they were taking their medals off their uniforms and spinning them on my jacket.
And I never got used to them hugging and kissing me on the cheek, the Russian thing.
People are people and we hated Germans because our government told us to.
They hated us because their government told us to.
The Soviets told us Americans were terrible people.
We were told the Soviets were terrible people.
I'm an honorary Russian submarine officer now.
I was an honest to God commissar of the Soviet Union, Peace to the Oceans Committee.
My CIA handler thought that was nice, but people are just People.
Okay, well, let's talk about this CIA handler.
So what's your background with the CIA?
Because that's kind of an interesting link up that people might like to hear about.
It started when...
In 1991, when, like I say, my fax machine came on, there was no email, clickety-clickety-click, and I got the invitation from the Russian Navy to come over.
And, okay, fine, I got my visa and made my air reservations, and all of a sudden I got a phone call.
Hi, Mr.
Cooper, my name is Tony Santiago, and I'm the station chief with the Central Intelligence Agency here in Orlando.
I'd like to come and have lunch with you.
Okay.
Well, you could see where that's going.
So he came over here.
I told my wife the first thing he's going to do is ask for the bathroom.
Okay, fine.
He come in and showed me his badge, shook hands.
Can I use your bathroom?
Okay.
So we pointed him down the hall.
My wife says, how did you know?
I said, well, that way he gets to look at the whole house and gets to see where everything is and get the lay of the land.
And he also gets to look in your medicine cabinet and see if you take drugs or whatever.
Well, that would have been a real waste of his time because I've never done drugs.
So anyhow, he and I went to lunch and I said, so Tony, what brings you over here to the old Billy Evans where I live out in the woods in Florida?
He says, I understand you're going to the Soviet Union.
How did you know that?
Doesn't matter.
And he handed me a list of admirals.
I said, what's this?
And he said, We want you to get photos of these admirals because we don't have their photos.
I said, I don't even know why I'm going over there.
I don't know who I'm going to see, what I'm going to do.
Oh, he says, yeah, you'll meet these admirals.
Okay, fine.
So...
What year was this again?
91.
All right.
So, away we go.
And we're on the glide path to land in Moscow.
And you know, you always get the nice comments from the stewardesses.
I'm sorry, flight attendants.
Hi, we're landing in Orlando.
Welcome to Mickey Mouse country, or whatever.
Not there.
You're landing at Sherem Tievo Airport.
Photography is forbidden.
If you're caught taking photos, you will be arrested.
Holy cow, what am I getting into?
So I got off the plane and They had a series of glass walls, partitions, that they could move around, so you couldn't go anywhere.
He went down this glass partition row with soldiers with AK-47s and fixed bayonets on both sides.
So I got into the area where you meet people, I guess, and there's this guy wearing a full-length leather trench coat.
And the sign says Cooper.
Somebody will get that.
I never even waved or anything.
Oh, Mr.
Cooper.
I said, yeah, how did you know?
And he always kept slapping me up here, you know.
I recognize you from your photograph.
Give me your passport.
Okay, so I gave him my passport.
He gives it to this 6'12 giant guy who took off running.
I said, where the hell is he going with my passport?
Do not worry sir, you're in the Soviet Union.
I said, yeah, I'm an American citizen in the Soviet Union and that guy just took off with my passport.
Whack.
Do not worry sir, we are going to the whip lounge.
What?
The whip lounge.
You are the VIP. Oh, okay.
We went to the VIP lounge.
You are drinking vodka?
And I know you don't try to drink vodka with a Russian.
It ain't gonna happen.
He says, no, no, I have a bad liver.
I can't drink.
Oh, not dying in Soviet Union.
Please, not dying here.
So we talked for a while and all of a sudden he says, okay, we're going now.
I said, I haven't cleared up customs.
I haven't cleared up.
Where are my suitcases?
Do not worry, sir.
We got into his van and all the shades were pulled down.
I thought, oh God, I'm going to be executed.
But then I found out later that VIPs had the shades pulled down.
So we were going down this eight-lane wide road through Moscow.
It's called a Prospect because it's straight as a string.
But it doesn't mean four lanes this way and four lanes this way.
It means just go wherever you can.
And it was the biggest traffic mess I ever saw.
So my friend there, became my friend later, Anatoly.
He said something in Russian to Nikolai, the driver.
Nikolai bangs the thing into gear, drives up on the sidewalk, which is a good 30, 40 feet wide.
And he's driving down the sidewalk at 11 o'clock at night, people scattering everywhere.
Beep, beep, beep, beep.
We drove right up to the Admiralty, where Vladimir Chernyavn was waiting for me.
Luther Cooper, good to see you.
And he had this huge globe.
It was about six feet Diameter.
And there were little pins all over the United States.
And so we talked and then he brought in a whole bunch of admirals.
These were the guys that I was supposed to take pictures of.
And they were in the official Soviet photographer, Navy photographer.
And they're taking photos.
Mr.
Cooper, would you like us to take photos with your cameras?
Well, yes, please.
Yep, you betcha.
So they gave me the grand tour Around the naval facilities there in Moscow.
And we opened a very good relationship with the Soviet Navy, which then became the Russian Navy because the Soviet Union evaporated.
And so we brought some tours over there.
In 1992, the next year, there was the spy tour.
Almost everybody in my group It was either Naval Intelligence or CIA from the US, and everybody we met over there, I'm sure, was a spy.
But we got along great.
Everybody was having a great time.
We made good friends.
And I found, well, when we landed at Kaliningrad, which used to be Königsberg, and we flew on Admiral Chernyevn's personal plane.
So we got off, and there's all these Russian admirals waiting to meet us.
And there was a captain who was our translator.
And the pilot of our plane comes running up to me with a book.
And through the translator, he asked if I would autograph the book.
What is this?
The Leatherstocking Tales, Last of the Mohicans, by James Fenimore Cooper, who was a far distant ancestor of mine.
I had no idea that he was even known in Russia.
I found out later he lived in Russia for a while, so I had to sign the book.
So I asked the translator, may I take video of my pilot?
And this is in the days when you had the giant big cameras on your shoulder.
No, you may take pictures of your pilot.
So I'm videotaping the pilot, then I turn about 90 degrees this way, and I'm videotaping all their Fighter interceptors and I turn another 90 degrees and I'm filming all their fighter bombers.
I get a tap on my shoulder.
Sir, the autopilot is over here.
I said, they all look alike, don't they?
So that's how we opened the door in Russia.
They were just all really nice people.
They got along.
I appreciate that.
That's a lovely story.
So, you know, because I want to kind of talk about the Fourth Reich and what's going on here in America, I'd like to find out what your perspective is of really sort of the influence of, I guess maybe we can go back in history in your case, and since you know about Argentina, you know about the, I'm assuming you know about the underground bases down there.
I haven't proven anything, so all I can say is I've heard of the theories.
Okay, but you visit there, is that right?
You visit there quite often?
I've been there, and I've been in a lot of places in Argentina, not just Buenos Aires, but also Marga Plata, which is the big submarine base, San Carlos de Berloche, Fischer Langastura, etc.
Okay, what about Paraguay?
I was just in Paraguay this past July, a couple of months ago.
Okay, and did you come across any interesting evidence of sort of a base of what are in essence Nazis and or fascists or whatever you want to call them?
Third Reich.
Oh boy, did we?
It was my first time ever in Paraguay and my first impression was Paraguay would have to work hard to come up to being a third world country.
But that's what made it so great for the people escaping.
They were in Argentina at first because Borman came down with tons of money, precious metals, and also the numbers for the bank accounts.
And he was funding Juan Perón bribing, more or less.
And the guys from the Third Reich, thousands of them, were living openly in Argentina.
But then when Perón got knocked out of power in the coup of 1955, then They had to relocate, and many of them went to Armaguay because the dictator there, Alberto Stroessner, had very strong German roots.
Well, we drove as flat as a board, most of it, and little town here, little town there, and we came through one little town that had the von Stauffenberg Hotel.
Big, very nice hotel, von Stötenberg.
Okay.
We came to another little town, had a big, beautiful restaurant.
Forget the name of it, but they were playing Bavarian music.
We got into a little town.
Again, the name escapes me.
Santa Rosa, I think it was.
And there was a museum there about the settlers from the 1920s, and they were all Germans.
I don't speak Spanish, but I get along okay with my German in South America.
So this nice lady opened the museum for us and all we saw basically was what you would expect to see about the founders of a town in the 1920s.
So I told her what I was doing there and I told her that we were looking for places in that area pertaining to Dr.
Joseph Mengele.
I think everybody knows who Mengele was.
Oh, and her face clouded up.
She says, I knew him.
I didn't like him.
He saved many people's lives around here, but I didn't like him.
So then I showed her a copy of my book, which that's this guy here.
And she saw Hitler's picture on the front cover.
She says, oh, good.
So we went further on to another, out in the middle of nowhere, There was this beautiful resort that looked like it was about 100 years old, I'm guessing, all brick, many different levels, but not upstairs and downstairs.
You'd have one long row of rooms, et cetera, here, and then go up some stairs to another level of the mountain, and there's another section, and you go downstairs, and there's another section.
And we asked the older She was younger than me, but she's an old lady who was waiting on us.
And she showed us the meeting room where these guys held meetings back in the 1950s and 60s.
And she said she had seen Gestapo Mueller, Heinrich Mueller, the head of the Gestapo, and Bormann and Mengele and Hitler meeting with Stroessner.
She showed us the two rooms that Mengele used because this was pretty much his hangout and if he came by himself he was in room 26 which was a single room or if he came with others I assume bodyguards I don't know it was room 28 which had a double bed and four single beds now all these pictures are on my website sharkhunters.com go to previous tours and make sure you have plenty of Plenty of refreshments because it'll
just pull you in.
We've got thousands of photos there.
So, right around the time that Adolf Eichmann was grabbed in Buenos Aires, he was a poor guy.
History records him as the so-called author of the Final Solution.
No, he wasn't.
He was just a lieutenant colonel in charge of moving people around on trains.
Good, bad, or otherwise, that's all he did.
He got to Argentina.
And he did not have money.
He did not have protection from Piron.
He lived in a little house about 20 feet by 20 feet that he and his two sons built.
He sold fruit juices in the marina on the weekends, but on the weekdays.
He had to ride three hours to work and three hours back home from work.
He worked on the assembly line in the Mercedes plant there in Buenos Aires.
So, on the day that the Mossad grabbed him, he was tired from traveling.
He was an old man.
He had no protection.
And there were six young Mossad agents who grabbed this old man and drugged him and took him back to Israel.
They tried to do the same thing with Mengele at this resort, which is surrounded by heavy, heavy, thick jungle on three sides.
It didn't work out so well for them.
They wound up having their throats slashed and dumped into the jungle because Mengele Had plenty of money and plenty of protection.
Okay, so I'm trying to keep up with you here.
You know, you've got a lot of very, very interesting information.
So you found out documented information about Paraguay.
Are you aware that the bushes have a sort of a whole enclave there?
Yeah, I'm Finding that out from my sources, they bought a couple hundred thousand acres sitting on top of a huge aquifer and I'm told that their new next door neighbor is Angela Merkel bought a few thousand acres, whatever.
Okay, and do they tell you why they think they're setting themselves up there?
There are theories but nothing with any proof.
They're The one theory is that they're going to control the largest amount of fresh water in the world, and that just doesn't wash because the largest amount, what is it, 20% of the world's fresh water is in the Great Lakes.
So if you own water in Paraguay, you don't have the largest.
All right.
There's a lot of stuff down there, but I don't think fresh water is it.
Okay, so...
What about this story about Hitler?
Because you claim that he was still alive, etc.
And this is one documented case where a woman is saying, yes, she saw the meeting of these guys.
Where else does your book go for evidence of this?
Oh, boy.
It started out in 1985.
We had a guy joined by the name of Don Angel Alcazar de Velasco.
He was a Spanish...
Agent working for the Germans and his last and he sent me a letter 1986 or 7 I think it was and his letter was typewritten single space 114 pages long that was a letter and he talked about how he was about his work for the Reich and then the last three months of the war he was stationed in the Fuhrer bunker and and every day he was supposed to
give a report on something to Hitler so he knew Hitler and he said on one or two days after Hitler's birthday which was 20th of April he saw Hitler and Eva Braun forcibly drugged under orders of Martin Bormann and removed from the Fuhrer bunker Bormann had been giving the orders for the last year or so of the war because Hitler was pretty well Kind of a beaten man,
and Bormann was doing everything he could to keep it going.
So, this guy, Don Angel, also said that he helped Bormann escape on board a U-boat, and we've confirmed that.
He also said that he met with Hitler in 1952, and then with Bormann again in 1958, because the Reich was still alive and Don Angel was still working for him.
In 1988, I think it was, one of our members came to visit.
He was a full captain in the US Navy, Captain Bob Thew, T-H-E-W. He was in Naval Intelligence his whole Navy career.
And then when he retired the Navy, he went to work for the NSA, which we know means no such agency.
So I told him about Don Angel.
I said, this guy's nuts.
And Captain Thew says, yeah, we knew he was an agent.
He was one of the ones we were watching.
I said, well, this guy's got to be nuts.
I said, he told me that Hitler was alive in 1952.
I said, everybody knows Hitler committed suicide in the bunker on the 30th of April, 1945.
And as calmly as if he was asking for a refill in his coffee, Captain Bob said, no, he didn't.
We knew he got away.
I said, what do you mean, we?
Who's we?
He said, the intelligence agency.
We knew he got away.
We knew he got down to Argentina.
So that got the bug in me.
And since then, I've been down there, recorded interviews, taken photos of Hitler's home.
It was called Inalco, and it was on the shore of Lake Nafel Fapi, which is about 700 miles southwest of Buenos Aires.
And in 1945, that might as well have been on the other side of the moon because it was so remote.
The estate was built by Mercedes of Argentina in the late 45.
And it was supposed to be a recreation place for the executives from Mercedes.
They could fish, they could ski.
They had a place they could bring their secretaries.
I don't think Harvey Weinstein knew about that yet, but that's another story.
Hitler and Eva Braun lived there until 1955, about the time when Peron got knocked out of power.
And since then, nobody's lived there.
To the best of my knowledge, we've got the only photos inside that house.
Lots of people have come there and taken photos around the outside.
We did the same.
But I was able to let myself in and took photos inside.
We never take anything.
We don't touch anything.
We're not grave robbers.
But I took a ton of photos, and they're on my website, too, under the 2008 Argentine trip.
Okay.
Well, that's very interesting.
Now, I'm wondering whether or not you've heard about the story that says that Hitler actually was in Cuenca in, I guess it's, God, Ecuador.
And I don't know how long he was there.
Certainly there are a number of years that he lived from what I understand.
And also I'm curious how you think he died.
But the story we've heard was that he was hiding out as a priest in Cuenca, Ecuador.
Did you ever hear that story?
I've heard the story, but I don't give it any merit.
Okay.
He didn't hide out as a priest.
And there were also stories that he was in Indonesia or the Middle East or something.
No, no, no.
I talked to a former SS officer who was one of Hitler's personal bodyguards down there.
Okay.
After Perón got knocked out of power, everybody, including Hitler and Eva Braun, had to move from here to there to everywhere.
I don't know about Ecuador, but they were in Bolivia.
They were up in the Cordoba province.
We've got photos of Hitler taken in 1947, and he looked pretty good for a guy who committed suicide in 1945.
He was having coffee with the Eichhorn family.
Eichhorn is the German word for acorn.
And in his early days, when he was rising through the political party, the Eichhorns, especially the wife, Ida Eichhorn, was sending lots of money to him to help You know, like you finance anybody in a political race.
And so when the war was over and he was down there, he went to visit them and he stayed in the annex of the Hotel Eden, which they owned at the time.
The Hotel Eden is now kind of falling into disrepair, but the annex is still being used.
And when I was down there two years ago, 2015, I think, I stayed in that annex.
And it's a beautiful old place.
16 foot high ceilings, 12 foot high doors.
Did I stay in the room where Hitler stayed?
Who knows?
But he stayed in that annex.
And the pictures are in that annex in 1947.
Right.
Okay.
Now, do you know about a book called AOPJB? Have you read that book?
Yeah.
No, I haven't read it, but that was written by Lawrence DeMillo.
No, Christopher Creighton.
Okay, Christopher Creighton and she went by the name of Amie de Creighton, which is French meaning the friend of Creighton.
She helped with that and that also spurred her on To her research, Lawrence DeMello.
Well, she didn't write this book.
Christopher Crichton wrote this book.
Right.
She was very close with Crichton, which wasn't his name either.
I can't remember what his real name was.
Right.
Well, he has several names, but it's a fascinating book.
And Mike Sparks kind of brought my attention to it.
You might know of Mike Sparks.
He does a lot of investigations into various areas to do with World War II. Okay.
And it's a fascinating book.
It does talk about Borman, how the British captured Borman, got him out of Germany, and actually in exchange for a lot of information that he gave, I think specifically to do with bank accounts and money.
Yeah.
So did you ever investigate the money that was left behind and or...
You know, we're valuables, we're kept, etc., etc.
Have you ever sort of followed those kinds of stories?
Not in great depth, because Lawrence DeMillo is doing that, and in my opinion, she is the most accomplished researcher on Borman in the world.
Whenever I go down to Argentina, the last four or five days I'm down there, I stay on her ranch to unwind, and she and I Worked together on what she knows, what I know, etc.
And this last time we were down there, we hopped on the bus.
It looked a lot like that bus in Romancing the Stone.
And we rode from...
It was definitely not the Greyhound.
We rode from one little town to another, to another, to another, and finally wound up in some little Dinkwater town.
About five or six buildings was town.
and Santa Polka or something like that so she talked to a lady at the grocery store her son came over we talked for a while then his buddy came over with a car and they took us to a house that was owned by a lady probably in her 80s and her son about 50-ish and they knew Gestapo Mueller Heinrich Mueller the head of the Gestapo Because he lived in that town until
his death in 2000, 2001, something like that.
And Lawrence is a very sharp interviewer, very clever lady.
She told these people that I was the son of Gestapo Mueller's cousin.
Oh, and I said, we see the family resemblance.
Well, Mueller was German.
I mean, I don't see any, but they did.
So we talked for quite some time.
It was already getting dark.
And Lawrence was under the impression that Mueller's house had been torn down.
So she asked these people for directions to get back to where the house once stood.
And they said, what do you mean?
It's still there and it's right next door.
So we looked through this heavy grove of trees and there was the house.
So she's a pretty sharp cookie.
She was over the fence faster than I was.
And we went around the house.
Again, we never take anything, never touch anything.
We take a lot of photos.
And the house is closed up.
Hasn't been lived in since Mueller was there.
And we are told that nothing's been touched since he died.
And a relative or a friend of his has the keys and comes every three or four months to make sure the place hasn't been sold.
Or joking, you know, has no damage.
So we're We're going to go back in March, and hopefully by then she's had time to speak with the relative and have them meet us there and let us in.
It will be a cache of history.
It'll be walking back into history, we think.
All right.
Well, yeah, that's fascinating.
So in terms of these You know, what are, in essence, war criminals.
Have you ever helped, sort of, or, you know, because you've been doing this, well, quite some time, but I think there still are some Nazis at large, so to speak, and who haven't been found.
Have you ever been tapped to try to help to find anyone?
No, nobody's asked me to do that, and I'm not a detective to go hunting wanted people.
And by this time in life, who's still alive?
There's probably almost nobody.
There's the man, the captain of a submarine who sank the first ship in American waters, very fine, decent gentleman, Captain Reinhard Hardegen.
He's in good shape, and if he lives until this coming March, he will be 105 years old, and he's in great shape.
Not a war criminal.
He was just a combat officer.
A good friend of ours who was kind of like grandpa to my kids.
He was just a crewman on a U-boat.
And he's like 93 years old now, I guess.
But as far as the so-called war criminals, I don't think any more are still alive.
I don't think hardly anybody's still alive from that time.
Well, that's an interesting question.
You know, I happen to...
I don't know how much you looked into my website and to my kind of...
Interviews that I do, but I do investigate stories about time travel.
And my understanding is that Nazis had reverse aging and that they were working on experiments in that area and that they did manage to...
Latch on to some of the techniques, I guess, for that.
And there have been stories of various Nazis that have been seen by even a couple Americans who have sort of reported to me about this.
And it's quite fascinating.
So there are some Nazis that, in theory, have been reverse-aged.
And I've got a young man in the Pacific Northwest.
Well, he's not that young now.
But he, as a young man, was exposed to an organization that was...
Full of people that had been reverse-aged.
And we know that the secret government, for example, has that technology.
I've gotten that reported to me as well.
So are you aware of things like the Nazi bell, experiments with time travel, free energy, and that sort of thing?
Very familiar with it.
I'm not an expert, but I'm very familiar with it.
The guy who is probably the number one expert in it is Igor Witkowski.
Yes, actually, we interviewed him.
Okay, he's a member of Shark Hunters, and I spent a day with him in Warsaw.
When was it?
July last year.
And the Glocka, it's called.
Right.
Allegedly, that was the gizmo that came down, crashed into Kecksburg, Pennsylvania, and is dubbed the Kecksburg Egg.
Yes.
One of the NASA guys who was sent there to oversee the loading onto a truck, he's a member of Shark Hunters, and he lives about 40 miles from me, and we have lunch together every so while.
Are you talking about Clark McClellan?
Yep.
Oh, great.
So you know Clark?
Sure, I know Clark real well.
Oh, well, tell him that I interviewed you.
I've interviewed Clark a number of times.
He's a brilliant guy.
He's very sharp, but he dealt a pretty lousy hand, I guess, because...
He's living in pretty rough conditions, just in a little trailer home and he's got an old beat-up Toyota and allegedly, apparently, whatever, his pension disappeared.
That's what happens to people who say things they're not supposed to say.
That's exactly right.
Yes, he, you know, and I do wish, I mean, let me just say here, for those of you listening, and if you're not familiar with Clark McClellan, you should become familiar.
He's a wonderful man, and I'm going to put his information here on the screen.
The screen for people to see his website.
Go over there, read his books, buy the chapters, help support this man.
He's a wonderful, dedicated American.
He's revealed information about the Anunnaki being seen on the space station.
And on Close Circuit TV, he's really quite an extraordinary man.
His chapters are all absolutely fascinating, well-researched, and he was there.
He's a guy who was actually there for the things he's talking about.
So, in fact, he is one of the guys who has actually seen a Nazi, and I'm trying to remember his name.
Because, you know, I do a lot of, I'm probably like you, I do a ton of research and sometimes names, it takes me a while to remember a name.
Anyway, there's a guy who is an ex-Nazi who's quite well known, who he actually saw in person years after he was supposed to be dead.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah, I don't know if he ever shared that story with you.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, heck yes.
He was working for NASA. He was an engineer with NASA. And Dr.
Debutz, Was the first director of NASA. And he was the guy in charge of the German rocket program.
So we just inherited him.
He was Werner von Braun's boss.
Right.
And one day, Dr.
D. Bush called Clark into his office and introduced him to Dr.
Hans Kammler.
That's the guy you're thinking about.
Actually, that's another guy that supposedly did survive.
But go ahead.
Okay.
The other guy he met was...
Dr.
Groene.
Groene is green.
And that was the code name for Gestapo Bureau.
I thought that was the code name for Mengele.
I have never heard that.
All right.
But then again, I don't know everything.
But Chandler was in charge of all the special projects, the rocket programs, the jet fighters, the rocket fighters.
And He, according to history, when the war ended, he walked out into the woods and shot himself so he couldn't be forced to tell things.
Or his SS guard marched him out into the woods and shot him so he couldn't say anything.
Or his SS guard marched him out into the woods and shot him so he couldn't tell anything and then shot their platoon leader.
I can understand why they might want to shoot their sergeant, but in reality, Kamler came to the US and was working for the US government.
There was Paperclip.
Everybody's familiar with Paperclip.
I think we've got thousands, literally thousands of German scientists, technicians, engineers, etc.
Somewhere in this mass of paperwork I have here, we have a listing of thousands of these guys, their name, their area of expertise, Their address in the United States, what company they were working for here after the war, and what their salary was.
Russia was also scooping up as many as they could.
That was the race in the Cold War.
However, they didn't all go to the US or the USSR. Professor Kurt Tank, the guy who designed the Focke-Wulf FW 190 fighter, the one they nicknamed the Butcher Bird because it was so good,
He went down to Argentina, along with about 50 aeronautical engineers and all their families, and they immediately set him up, gave him his own hangar and office in Cordoba City, Cordoba Province, which is the headquarters of the Argentine Navy.
And they were designing fighter planes for, not only fighter planes, but aircraft for the various South American governments, primarily Argentina.
And I don't know if you're familiar with the Horton Flying Wing.
It was a jet-powered stealth bomber wing that the Horton brothers designed in Germany in 1944.
It was flying.
Down there in Argentina, I got a DVD of what they call Peron's Airplanes.
And they mounted a camera kind of the top of a hangar pointing down at the taxiway and the airplanes would taxi by taxi by taxi by this plane that plane and all of a sudden I see a Horton flying wing what the heck so then I look further into the DVD and it showed it flying it was a flying wing cargo plane it was ugly as all hell it looked like an early Winnebago camper hung underneath a giant
boomerang but Those guys that designed the German planes were down in South America.
And when I was there last year, 2016, my friend Martin Tien, who knows how to find anything, we went into a little deepwater town in Uruguay.
And we found the local auto mechanic, about 40 years old, I guess.
And he loved the history of the Reich.
They showed us his collection of postage stamps.
Okay.
Then he says, oh, I have a friend here whose grandfather was in the Luftwaffe.
Would you like to talk to him?
Well, yeah, of course we do.
So we went over to this guy's house.
He was also in his 40s.
Big, tall, strapping, blue-eyed, blond, Uruguayan, who spoke perfect English, etc.
And he was talking about his grandfather and his grandfather's brother.
And they went into the Luftwaffe and they decided they didn't want to fly planes.
They would design planes.
And he said, I don't know if you've ever heard of my grandfather.
His name was Reimer Horton.
Holy cow!
Reimer Horton!
One of the two Horton brothers that designed the flying wing.
So he showed us the diagrams, the drawings, the blueprints, Of the Horton Flying Wing.
He also showed us letters of appreciation from the United States Air Force because they helped design the B-2 stealth bomber, the F-117 stealth fighter.
And he says, I don't know so much about my grandfather, but my dad, Horton's son, he knows more.
Would you like to meet my dad?
Yeah, heck yes we do.
So we're in contact with these guys too.
So this is where we differ from all the other researchers.
We knock on doors, we meet people, we go places, and we meet the people who are actually there, or in this case, the son of the guy who designed the Horton flying wing.
We've got a photograph of a Horton jet-powered flying wing bomber flying over the Brazilian rainforest.
So you were in the Air Force, right?
Yeah.
So how is it that you got into boats?
You know, because that's kind of a weird transition.
Yeah, it's a weird transition.
But like I say, it happened while I was bouncing around the Bahamas on my sailboat.
And we ran across this island that had been a plantation.
And they allegedly gave fresh water and food to German U-boats.
We never found out whether they did or did not.
But that's what piqued my interest.
And then by about 1985, I started meeting them.
Some of the old skippers.
Kretschmer, the top submarine commander of the war, sank more ships than some navies sank.
And he was knocked out of the war before the US ever got into it.
I had a sleeping room in his house.
Eric Topp, the third most successful.
Hess, the youngest, and the list could go on and on.
I met all these guys.
I don't get this out of somebody else's book or files or forms.
I talk to the people.
We've even got interviews on DVDs with These guys.
So that's what sets us apart from any other researcher.
Right.
So in terms of the technology, how much have you researched that?
Not heavily into the technology.
I was more involved in the history of the U-boats, who went where with what.
We also got into the technology of the Type 17 submarines, which was powered by the Walther Hydrogen peroxide combustion thing, which they blew up a lot, and into the experimental airplanes like the ME-262 jet fighter and the ME-163 rocket-powered fighter.
The Luftwaffe pilot who flew the first rocket-powered fighter, Wolfgang Späte, he was a member of Shark Hunters and we corresponded quite a bit.
But into the real nuts and bolts of the technology, I'm not that strong on it.
Okay.
Have you followed the development of the Fourth Reich in the United States?
You know, it is interesting what some of the, I don't know, Your point of view of this, of course, but the Patriot Act has taken away a lot of our rights, etc.
And there's been a steadily, steady erosion of rights here in America.
Do you sort of attribute any of that to sort of the infiltration of Project Paperclip and the Nazis and so on?
I'm not sure what it can be attributed to, but when the Founding Fathers created this incredible United States.
We had all the rights we needed.
So follow-on governments couldn't give us any more rights because we had them all.
All they could do was chip away at them.
And they're doing that.
I see it in Europe.
I see it in Canada.
Canada is so far left liberal.
I remember years ago they had to rewrite all the textbooks and remove the term savage Indians uh massacres of white people etc that had to come out and now here indians are referred to as native americans which they were not uh in canada they're called first nation whatever you think on any of these topics the bottom line is they're just chipping away at the rights you
have we have the right to bear arms we have the right to any kind of gun we want except now you can't have More than a 10-shot magazine.
You can't have a so-called assault rifle.
That was an assault rifle.
You can't have one with a muzzle flash on it.
I mean, I was a weapon specialist in the service, so I know these things.
And in Canada, you don't have freedom of speech anymore.
In Germany, you sure don't have freedom of speech.
Some years ago, they passed a law in Germany.
It was a crime to deny the Holocaust.
Then they came along later and made a law that it was a crime to question the Holocaust.
They came along with another law that says, this was just last year I think, it's against the law to criticize the government's handling of the asylum seekers, they're called.
Excuse me.
So they just keep chipping away, chipping away.
I had a good friend in Germany.
He's now passed away.
His name was Manfred Roeder.
He was described as the most right radical of all of Germany, a dangerous man.
He was like a Sunday school teacher, for God's sake.
He was an old man, but he published a booklet in 1980, I believe it was, yeah, in which he said there were no Gas chambers in Auschwitz.
The name of the book was Der Auschwitz Betrug.
Now, whether there were or were not gas chambers was not the question.
He said there were none, and that was against the law, so he took 10 years in prison for that.
Okay, that's interesting.
And this is in Germany?
Yeah.
Okay, so what about Antarctica?
Oh boy, that is one hell of a...
To borrow a phrase, that's an enigma wrapped in a riddle.
There are so many stories, so many theories.
We know there were U-boats down there during the war.
Before the war even, now there's a secret island off of Rio de Janeiro out into the South Atlantic.
It's called Trindady.
Not to be confused with Trinidad, but Trindady.
This is a rock about three miles long by a mile and a half wide.
It goes up to 3,000 feet.
And in 1938, now this has been a Brazilian-owned island forever.
And they have a naval contingent there of about two or three dozen people.
And their whole job is to raise the flag in the morning to show we own 200 miles of fishing around here.
That's the EE Z, economic exclusion zone.
We owned 200 miles of fishing and then hauled the flag down at night.
1938, Brazil took all their people off the island, and one week later, a German scientific flotilla showed up.
Well, they didn't make it from Germany all the way to there in one week, so it was obviously planned.
They came ashore.
They erected two 80-meter tall Radio towers.
They built some buildings.
And then in 1941, and they used that as a base to jump off down to Antarctica.
One of the ships, the flagship, was called the Schwabenland.
And they were going down there to stake claim on what they called Neueschwabenland, or New Swabia, in the Antarctic area.
And they had a couple of Flying boats, Dornier whales, I think it was a DO-19, but I'm not sure, but they called them the whale.
And we've got photos of all this on the website.
They would fly off, they would be catapulted off the ship and fly along the border of what Germany was claiming as Neue Schwabenland and every kilometer they would drop what they called a spear.
It was a stainless steel shaft about about an inch in diameter five or so feet long and the top was flat and there was a swastika stamped in it so every kilometer they would drop one of these and every 10 kilometers they would drop a two meter high spear with a metal swastika flag on it and they were down there until The war started,
or until we got into the war, 1941.
They had nothing to do with it.
But then they left the island, and the Brazil Navy came back, and there's a little plaque, 1941 down there, made out of stones, which was when the Brazilian came back.
Then in 1945, May, Germany surrendered, war was over, everything is puppy dogs and ice cream, bologna.
Again, Brazil pulled their people off the island in May of 1945.
And in July of 1945, German ships arrived.
And they took up the base again.
We heard that there was a German sailor who was killed in an accident there in July of 1945.
And there's a huge big rock On which somebody had painted 7 slash 17, which we assume was the 17th of July.
For two years they were there, and they provided fresh water and fresh food to ships, submarines, tramp steamers, whatever, coming down on what was called the rat line.
Most of them were leaving either from Italian ports or from a little town called Villa Villa Garcia, which was up the river from Vigo, Spain.
This island had tons of streams and creeks.
It was a little rock, but it had creeks and streams and fresh water all over the place.
They had herds of goats and pigs and sea turtles.
So if a ship came by and they needed fresh water, they had it.
If they needed meat, they had it.
And this was going until 1947.
And I was there a few years ago.
You can only go there with the permission and the assistance of the Brazil Navy.
These guys were so nice.
They took me out on one of their ships, put me up in the VIP area, which meant I had toilet paper.
And they gave me the free run of the island.
And everything is up and down hills and there's It's a million miles no matter where you want to go.
It seems like it's forever.
They gave me free run.
These folders are all on my website as well.
And every place I went, there was this young guy walking along beside me.
So I asked my host, who was a full captain, I said, why you got this guy following me?
Are you afraid I'm going to steal the island or something?
He says, no.
He says, he's the Navy doctor and you're kind of old.
We want to make sure you don't have a heart attack.
I said, well, Okay, I sure appreciate that, but don't be disappointed if I don't die.
So the remains of the Radio Shack, still there, and the foundation for the towers, still there.
So they thought something was down there in Antarctica.
Okay, fast forward to last year, July.
One of our members lives in Monte Carlo.
And she was pretty tight with the royal family.
She wanted to put together an expedition to Antarctica.
Okay, fine.
So I went over to Monte Carlo and we were doing quite well.
The prince said he would let us use his boat, his yacht.
It's the size of a cruiser.
It's got a sauna and a full hospital on board, etc.
We lined up financing.
Now I can do an expedition to South America.
Two weeks cost about 5,000 bucks.
You go to Antarctica, you ain't talking 5,000 bucks.
Quarter of a million dollars isn't hardly scratched on the surface.
Half a million is more like what's necessary.
So we had the funding laid out.
We had the use of the Prince's yacht.
We had a company who was going to supply security for us and another company that had state-of-the-art drones.
They were going to go along.
All of a sudden, Our calls weren't getting answered.
Nobody was calling us back.
Came time for me to go back to the U.S. And about a month later, she was beaten up really badly.
The guy even beat up her little seven pound dog.
And I just got some photos from her two weeks ago.
She had been grabbed by the police again in Monte Carlo and beaten pretty badly by the police and told You have no friends here, you better get out of Monaco.
So apparently we're not welcome down there.
We've gotten some photos surreptitiously that we showed on a couple of the Rents radio shows, and they're on my website too.
So, and what, six, seven, eight months ago, Lucky Marietta was advertising for Help Wanted down there.
They needed a thousand people.
I don't know for what.
Engineers?
Common labor?
I have no idea.
But that's There's something down there we're not supposed to know about.
There's theories galore.
Some of them may be true, some may not.
We know about Operation High Jump and Admiral Byrd's Diary, which sounds like something out of the Twilight Zone.
So there's something there.
But you've got about, in my opinion, you've got about as much chance of getting into that as you did about getting into Area 51.
You just ain't going to make it.
All right.
Well, yeah, it is absolutely fascinating.
Now, have you heard the terminology New Berlin?
Have you heard that applied to the base in Antarctica?
Yeah, I've heard it.
But New Berlin is not an uncommon name.
There's New Berlin, Neuer Berlin.
In Uruguay, which is where a lot of Germans lived, also the co-pilot of the plane that brought Hitler to South America lives there.
New Berlin is a pretty common name in a lot of places, but I don't know anymore about it down in Antarctica.
I'd love to find out.
I'd love to be able to go down there, but find somebody.
I don't mind sneaking through a gate.
I have no way to come up with half a million bucks.
Yeah, it's going to be a little more than that.
Well, apparently what I've been told is a lot of them go via New Zealand.
Have you ever tried that?
Or have you ever talked to anyone who's gone down there?
No, I haven't talked to anyone.
Well, yeah, we talked to one guy.
We've explored all the possibilities, but the bottom line comes back to money.
There was a guy...
Oh, man, I can't remember what outfit he works for, but it's...
It's some outfit in California where they're trying to get in touch with aliens through radio waves or something.
This guy went down there, Andrews, Anderson, something like that.
Okay.
And we were all on board with him, and then all of a sudden, boy, he just violently, verbally violently turned against my contact there in Monte Carlo.
So everything went up in smoke.
So is your contact in Monte Carlo, the woman, this is a woman who's been beat up, right?
Yeah, right.
Now, would she be interested in coming on my show?
Is she able to, you know, is she alright?
No, she's alright and she'd be able to come on your show, but I think all you'd hear from her is police brutality, but it's not a problem.
We can talk about that.
All right.
Well, it's quite interesting what's happened to her.
And, you know, this again is a problem.
We've always been on this trail as well.
So, you know, it's interesting to hear your stories associated with it.
What I want to ask you about is the Abwehr and Canarsis.
I think Canaris or however you say it.
So, are you familiar with that?
And what's your understanding of the relationship between the Gestapo and Hitler and Canaris?
I'm very familiar with it.
One of our members, who's a good friend of mine, was on paper.
He was a U-boat officer, but he was assigned to a U-boat in the shipyard getting fixed.
And when that boat was ready to go out, he got transferred to another one in the shipyard.
That was on paper, but in reality, he was a high-level outbear agent.
He knew Canaris personally.
He also knew Admiral Gernitz personally.
He's back in Germany now.
He used to live over here.
He's 93 years old.
He's in great shape.
He's the guy in charge of mowing the grass at his apartment complex at age 93.
The relationship between Canaris, Gestapo, and the SS was very strained.
In fact, when After Tom Cruise tried to blow up Adolf Hitler in Operation Valkyrie, tongue-in-cheek, you know, that was Klaus Schenk von Stauffenberg.
Canaris fell from grace because he was head of the Secret Service and he knew that this coup was coming, but he didn't inform Hitler.
So if you're in charge of security and you know that the big guy is going to get clipped and you don't tell him, Then you're a liability and so he was one of the many many many so-called conspirators.
He was held at Flossenburg prison camp until the Americans were about two days away and then he was it was dead of winter he was stripped naked piece of piano wire wrapped around his neck and they hung him up in a tree to dance and he strangled and then they threw his body into the snow banks so And then the SS took over the security.
So we know quite a bit about that.
Peter Hansen, he's one of only two people in the whole world that knows more about the U-boats than I do.
And we're in contact all the time.
I'm rewriting his book.
He wrote a book in German and I'm rewriting it to get it published here.
And what's his book about?
It's a very narrow band.
It's about a A U-boat skipper by the name of Oskar Cush.
This was after the attempted murder of Hitler in July of 1944 when they tried to blow him up.
After that, they had to have a propaganda person or a party person on board every submarine.
And when Cush took command of his new boat, fresh out of the yard, they had a picture of Adolf Hitler in it.
Just like I go into the VA And there's a picture of Donald Trump.
When I was in the Air Force, there was a picture of, I forget who, Eisenhower, I think.
The top guy has his picture up on the wall.
Well, Cush said something about, we're not going to worship idols.
And he took Hitler's picture down off the wall in his submarine.
And he got ratted out.
And there was a real push.
To get him court-martialed, convicted, and shot.
And that's what happened.
So Peter Hansen wrote all about it.
Okay, what about the relationship between Israel and the Nazis?
Have you ever investigated how that all came about, the British and the creation of the State of Israel, etc.?
No, no, that's not something I got involved with.
Not that I don't want to, it's just that I don't have the pull there.
I don't have the Groundwork.
So have you ever been regressed to find out why you're so interested in all of this?
Have I ever been what?
Regressed.
You know, I don't know if you believe in past lives, but you can be regressed to investigate, you know, why you have certain interests in this life.
Nope.
Nope.
Never.
My daughter's got a master in psychology.
Maybe that's it.
I don't know, but no, I've never been regressed.
All right.
Well, you might tell your daughter that I said that it might be interesting to look into that.
But you, you know, I don't know how old you are.
You know, you weren't in World War II or you were or...
No, no, no.
I was not in World War II. I was a kid during the war years though.
Right.
So did you have an interest back when you were a kid as well?
Oh, God, yes.
Airplanes.
Everything was airplanes.
I knew every fighter plane, every bomber that the Allies had, the Brits, the Italians, the Germans, the Russians.
I knew every plane that everybody had.
And from the time I was just a little kid, I wanted to be a fighter pilot.
I joined the Air Force and I tested.
I passed all the tests with either perfect or one point shy of perfect.
My physical was absolutely great.
I had 2010 vision.
I can read a typewritten page from 20 feet away.
And then the guy broke my heart.
He says, no, you'll never be a pilot.
You can be an officer, but you'll never be a pilot.
And I said, why?
I passed everything.
And he says, we got so many pilots left over from World War II and Korea.
He said, we've shut down air cadets.
And then I realized my squadron commander was, should have been a major, maybe a lieutenant colonel.
He was a Fulberg colonel with command pilot wings.
Every place you looked on the base, Colonels everywhere, Fulberg colonels.
So they were just pigeonholing all these guys until they could retire.
Wow.
So I got put in command of a six-man team loading hydrogen bombs onto B-47s.
And what was that for?
For the Korean War?
Oh, no.
Korea was already in the history books by the time I joined.
This was the Cold War.
Oh.
They were told we were going to attack them.
Wow.
All right.
Well, you know, it's been really fun talking to you and very fascinating, I have to say.
So we're going to close this down soon, but I am looking in the chat for any questions that we do have a running chat that goes alongside this show.
And so if anyone has any questions, please put them quickly in all caps.
And I'll try to get to your question.
This is your opportunity to ask this very well-educated individual, an investigator, researcher, whatever you'd like to call him, questions about the past and about the investigations he's done.
And how many books did you say you have?
My 21st book is coming out in a couple of weeks.
And the book, Hitler in Argentina, It's now available in English, of course, also available in French, in Portuguese, one other language, and I've got it ready to go out in German.
Okay, now are you self-published or do you have an actual publisher?
No, I'm self-published because when you go to a publisher, you've got an editor who wants to rewrite the whole damn works, and suddenly it becomes his work and not yours, and I'd rather it be mine.
People are going to look at the book.
A few times they don't like it, but That's fine.
I'm willing to take the slings and the arrows, you know, if I do something.
There's nothing wrong about the book, but there are people who say, well, the biggest complaint a couple of people have had, the pictures of a couple of the FBI documents are fuzzy.
That's what we got from the FBI, those fuzzy documents.
So take your complaint to the Phoebs.
Right.
Now, here's a question from the chat.
Is Merkel Hitler's daughter?
I've heard that theory.
I've also heard she was cloned.
I have no idea.
I do have, if anybody wants, send me an email, sharkhunters at earthlink.net.
I've got nude pictures of Merkel when she was a teenager.
Well, that's amazing, I guess.
Yeah, we use that to back people off sometimes.
All right.
What about black goo and the Falklands?
Are you familiar with what went on in the Falklands?
Well, yeah, I'm familiar with, well, there were two battles of the Falkland Islands.
The first one was in 1915, the second one was in 1980.
Not just to control the islands, but to control the whole area around there.
There's a tremendous amount of natural resources around the Falklands, and it's also a choke point for ships coming around Cape Horn.
So the Brits and the And the Germans fought the first battle of the Falkland Islands.
The Germans lost the cruiser squadron of Admiral Graf Bunch Bey.
Then, of course, we know about 1980, the Argentine forces.
And the only part of the Argentine military that really did well was the Air Force.
And that's because three German Luftwaffe guys were down there rebuilding the Argentine Air Force.
Interesting.
So what do you think about the role of Germans and Germany in Argentina right now?
There's tons of them there.
I asked my friend Eduardo when I was there last time.
He's a retired lieutenant commander from their Navy.
I said, you know, Eduardo, I've been here I don't know how many times.
I don't see any Latin influence.
And he laughed.
He says 80% of Argentines are from German or Italian bloodlines.
So that's the second book here.
Pardon me while I do some cheap advertising.
Hitler and the Secret Alliance.
That tells how it was possible for all these guys to get down there because over a hundred years ago, it was 1905 I guess, thousands of Germans and Italians came down there To settle Argentina, to put up the ranches, the estancias, the phone companies, etc.
And they were given huge tracts of land.
So the Germans especially were well entrenched before World War I even started.
So they ran the banks and just all sorts of stuff down there.
So when World War II ended, they had an open door.
Right.
Okay, what about the flying saucers that claim to have been built in Germany, even before the war, actually?
Have you ever gone down that road?
A little bit, yeah.
I'm not an expert on that, but there's no doubt in my mind it happened.
They're three different sizes.
I think the Hannibu was the middle size.
We've got members who are in that line of work, not just researching it, but I mean working for the governments in that area.
So I don't doubt that it happened, but I have no hard There are other people that know more about it than I do.
Okay, what about Hitler's investigation into basically the Giza intelligences and Maria Orsic and also the Vamanas in India, that kind of research that he was involved in?
Wow, Maria Orsic.
I haven't heard that name in a while.
I've just heard about it, but I've I'm not an expert on that.
Okay.
So you haven't...
I mean, is there a reason why you haven't...
That's one of the more interesting sort of pieces of history, really, to do with Hitler.
Is there some reason why you haven't tried to research that?
Yeah.
I put out a monthly magazine.
I'm putting the final touches on my 21st book.
I'm getting Peter Hansen's book ready to go to the publishers.
I'm getting a book Two doctors down in Brazil about how they knew Old Dean Goebbels and a hardcore fact.
They're absolutely right.
Magda and Old Dean Goebbels did not die.
They were not in that pile of bodies.
That's a long story.
So I'm rewriting his book out of Portuguese and on A4 paper into eight and a half by eleven.
And let's see, what else?
Oh, I'm raising a special needs son.
And what else am I doing?
I'm also on the Republican Executive Committee.
I'm a political editor for a local right-wing newspaper.
That's why I don't care.
All right, all right.
Well, you're a busy man.
And, you know, it sounds like you're churning out some great work.
I wonder, though, have you ever heard of William Tompkins, the whistleblower?
He's actually passed away now, but he was, I think, around 93 when he came out Really wrote a book and I've interviewed him for it's about I think it's at least three hour interview and in person and I highly recommend it because he talks a lot about sort of what went on in Antarctica and and Maria Orsic and all of that from this is a guy who worked for the military and was basically brought out as a
witness and backed by the by the US Navy you familiar with him?
I've heard the name but that's about all.
Okay.
Well, I'll give you a link to my interview and I do highly recommend it.
Okay.
And I'm not sure whether you're familiar with what he had to say.
Do you know about what he had to say?
Not really.
Okay.
Well, he talks about the influence of ETs basically from Aldebaran that were helping the Nazis and also Reptilians.
And, you know, this is a very, very interesting testimony.
Right.
Yeah, I've heard a lot about all that.
And Jeff Rents also is pretty well read on the Reptilians.
Thank you.
All right.
Well, that's fair enough.
You know, it's been great having you on the show.
I'm going to thank you.
And we're going to close this down now and let everyone go on with their day.
It's been, you know, like I said, fascinating to hear, you know, the stuff that you are investigating.
And I'm sure that people would like to hear more from you sometime in the future as well.
So, yeah.
Any parting words?
Well, my parting words, your viewers can go to my website, sharkhunters.com, and if they would like a free copy of our magazine, just send me an email at sharkhunters at earthlink.net.
And say they watched this show and would like a copy, and I'll just send it out, no strings attached.
And there's a ton more stuff that I'll send to you, Carrie, that you might find of interest.
And, you know, anytime you want me back, just call her.
All right.
Very good.
I'm glad to hear it.
All right.
So take care, and thanks again for being on the show.
My pleasure.
All right.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.
Okay so thanks everyone for watching and it's been really really fascinating obviously and let me see if I can get this going here.
So today this is my last interview here for today and I think Yeah, today's Friday.
So this has been a very busy week.
If you haven't seen my other interviews this week, I do highly recommend that you go to my YouTube channel or you come to ProjectHamlet.tv.
We're now using that URL. ProjectHamlet portal works as well.
And we found out we were being blocked in some countries on that first on the portal URL. So we've transitioned over to ProjectHamlet.tv.
And I want to thank everyone for watching and have a great weekend.
Like I said, I am going to be In a position to do some in-person interviews.
I can't reveal more than that, but I could certainly use some donations to make this possible.
And that's going to be in the next few days, possibly next week.
And I do have other shows scheduled for next week as well.
We're going to have Paladin back, and he's going to talk about the history of the White Hats and what they really uncovered, which is going to be a fascinating show.
And I think he's on Thursday.
At this time, I think I'm not sure who else I have on my schedule, but anyway, it'll be very interesting, needless to say.
So thanks again for watching and have a great day.
Take care.
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