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Nov. 29, 2017 - Project Camelot
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DARCE WEIR & LEE LUSTIG & THEIR SECRET SPACE DOCUMENTARY
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Thank you.
Thank you.
Hi, everyone.
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I'm here tonight with two very interesting guys, filmmakers, and I've had them on my show before.
We talked about Bigfoot, a documentary they made on that subject, and we also talked about their documentary on Phil Schneider, and tonight they've got another documentary, which is really interesting and a lot of fun, It's really focusing on the NASA STS-48 footage as well as other things.
And I have to say there's some kind of cool collector's items there.
And we stole a couple to make a couple banners for Camelot.
Just some stills you guys had.
And they're using some of my Camelot footage as well, and they paid for it, which is always a very welcome surprise because that's so rare.
Obviously, people are using my footage all the time.
So welcome, Darcy Weir and Lee Lustig.
Thank you so much for having us again.
Thank you.
Really cool.
This is getting to be a real repeat performance.
So what I want to do here is I'm going to look over your bios and then I'm going to ask you guys to augment them.
So if anyone watching can go to my website and I'm going to make sure everything's copacetic with the time and And with the sound and everything.
Okay.
So Lee Lustig moved to Los Angeles from California.
He became an editor in Peter Brennan's creator, Judge Judy, Current Affairs, hard copy production company.
And...
What I'm going to do here is just...
I don't know if this can work.
So try that.
Thanks for saying my name properly.
Everybody says lusting.
Oh.
I really appreciate...
Cool.
Yeah, I can read.
So it's one of the benefits of the trade.
Let's see.
He's typically...
Well, he was on an Emmy award-winning show called Last Shot with Judge Gunn.
And he's busy with a variety of projects such as reality shows, sizzle reels, independent films, and comedy sketches.
And for the last several years, Lee has been an editor on an extensive number of syndicated reality TV shows.
I need to talk to you, Lee, offline.
Let's talk.
I'm pitching shows all the time now.
Oh, I love it.
Yeah, so maybe you can help me break some ground there.
And I want you to augment this, but let me move on to Darcy real quick and then we'll come back to you.
So Darcy Weir is an independent, let me see if I can, trying to feature you guys here front and center, is an independent documentary filmmaker who has chosen to focus on interesting and challenging subjects.
He's Canadian-born and has traveled the world to make his documentaries.
This most recent documentary has been in the making over four years.
He filmed most of it in Australia, United States, and Canada.
Darcy has produced multiple other documentaries, including The Underground about Phil Schneider, The Unwanted Sasquatch, which follows the long history of the creature also known as Bigfoot in North America, and he is currently working on a documentary series That includes new speculation on the UFO and paranormal world.
This new documentary is called Beyond the Spectrum.
And here's...
Well, actually, I'm not featuring the banner, but trust me, it's on my website.
So if you go there...
You can see the banner for it and also get the link to go over there.
I'm going to actually let you talk.
You guys kind of do the pitch for the show, the actual documentary, rather than myself.
So at this point, what I'll do is, Lee, because we were just talking right before we started about you and how you had...
Helped out in the...
Well, it was the Citizens' Hearing on Disclosure, and I was there as a filmmaker, and I actually released several interviews from that that I filmed on-site there.
And it was an excellent, really, overview, and I had several...
Fascinating observations of what was going on there.
Can you talk about that?
Obviously, you're a really good editor.
Am I right?
I really appreciate you saying that.
I've definitely done a lot of projects that have nothing to do with UFOs.
That's my day job.
It's just reality TV, basically.
I luckily was introduced to Stephen Bassett, Ruben Langdon, and Jeremy Corbell.
I guess this was after they shot the footage of the citizen hearing, and they were in the process of editing it.
So...
I came in and did that for a few months.
I think Ruben Langdon ended up re-editing a lot of it, but I sat through the whole thing several times and just watching it was awesome.
I've already been a believer of this stuff since way before editing The Citizen Hearing, but just sitting there and watching it just really solidified it for me.
You know what I mean?
And it was just a great event.
And no one knows about this event.
I thought it was going to catch all this steam and blow up and, you know, CNN or...
One of them picked it up and talked about Paul Hellyer.
Did they?
But...
Yeah, I know Paul Hellyer got some airplay because he was, you know, his title is pretty buzzily.
Governor General of Canada.
Former Governor General.
He's a former Minister of Defense.
I don't know if it's the same thing or not.
Basically.
Yeah.
And I was disappointed that it didn't catch more wind.
But I have the DVD box set.
I always offer to let people borrow it.
I mean, I'm trying to get people to see it, you know.
No, you know what?
It's actually major, I have to say, and I think that people should pay attention to it because also my interviews, you can go on my website and look.
I interviewed Paul Hellyer there, by the way.
I think I saw some of that, yeah.
And I interviewed several other guys and did some really interesting discussions with I had to fight against, you know, we were in a sort of setting where there was, you know, crowd control and all kinds of stuff going on.
But I also have to say that I just give people that are listening, they might be interested that, you know, I have talked about this quite a long time in the past.
But first of all, Stephen Bassett and I shared a plane ride by accident on flying from I think was New York to California.
And, you know, I don't even know how that happened.
I can't remember why we were on the same plane.
We might have been going or coming from the same event.
I can't remember.
But anyway, you know, that was serendipity.
And so he had, you know, I was like a captive or he was my captive audience.
So I knew he was going to do the citizens hearing on disclosure.
So I wanted my witnesses, of course, to be there as well as myself.
And he basically told me that we were too sophisticated and high end.
For anyone to deal with that he wanted this to be the sort of low end, get in, you know, your toes wet type of environment.
And so he refused to let us in, which I understood to some degree, although what happened is that the people that were, you know, ex-Congress people or even current kind of Just retired congresspeople that were the panel got so up to speed so quickly.
And Lee, you're going to know what I'm talking about here.
That was fascinating because they had such great witnesses.
And by the second day, these people were already asking what the hell is going on here and who is in charge?
Yeah, it didn't take them long to start believing.
Much more sophisticated questions than I think anyone was going to believe that would happen there.
So it was a groundbreaking event.
And kudos to Steve, of course.
And there was a screening there of a Of the ex-CIA agent, and I don't know if his name ever came out.
I don't remember what name he went under, but he talked about how they went into Dulcy, the Dulcy base, and he was part of that.
He was sent in by, I forget which president.
I think it might be Eisenhower.
I think I remember him saying that it was actually Area 51 that he was sent into, supposedly.
Although maybe there was a part I didn't hear about Dulce.
That's possible, too.
It was Dulce, in my understanding.
But he could have been in both places.
But my understanding was, see, we were in charge of Area 51, whereas we're not in charge of Dulce, even to this day.
And if you want to know more about that, you should read Sean David Morton's books, Sands of Time, which is really a fictionalized version of Whistleblower Testimony.
And the reason he had to do that was the whistleblower's lawyer basically told Sean that he still had loved ones alive, wanted to keep them alive.
And so it had to be fictionalized, but it is really, really accurate.
So Sean did a great job.
And as a matter of fact, I know this is just sort of a plug for Sean, but I want to say, you know, he's in jail right now for supposedly breaking some SEC regulations, whatever, which is not, in my view, quite true.
But nonetheless, the real reason I believe he's in jail, and they went after him and his wife, Melissa, And they're both in jail, by the way.
And that information is on my website if you want to write to them or contact them or help them.
But I can tell you that the bottom line is it's because he was writing the third and final, I think this third or fourth book, I can't remember.
But it's the final book in the series, Sands of Time.
And I also had some back-channel information that the person who was giving him that information might not actually be dead.
Because initially the story was that the whistleblower passed on and gave his lawyer the documents.
The documents were then given to Sean.
Sean was given the task of putting them into fiction and so on.
So come to find out.
So I'm just saying, you know, people think they know everything about what's going on and why Sean was arrested and all this stuff.
They don't know anything.
Wow.
I have to read more into him.
Yeah, this is a lot.
You know, there's a lot more going on.
And he's not the only one.
I mean, tomorrow night I'm going to have David Wynn Miller on.
He's going to be talking about this other whistleblower kind of consumer advocate person.
I don't know if I have his name in front of me, but at any rate, you'll find out tomorrow night.
And he's basically been thrown in jail out of nothing.
I mean, virtually nothing, because he's trying to do the sovereign stuff that Sean was also trying to do and stuff like that.
And when Sean was in court, they wouldn't let him testify.
Every time he tried to stand up and say anything to his defense, and he was defending himself, they sat him down and said, shut up.
You can't talk about that.
So the proceedings in the court were virtually illegal.
So this is where people who think they know everything don't know anything.
And I'm just sorry to get on my soapbox here.
But okay, let's get back to the topic at hand.
No, I agree with what you said about that video of the CIA deathbed confession.
It was amazing.
And Richard Dolan, who did the interview, he's great.
That guy really seemed like he was telling a story.
I mean, you know, I'm not a perfect judge of character.
I can't tell you he was definitely telling the truth.
But, you know, it didn't sound like someone reading a script.
And I've worked on a lot of reality shows.
I've seen a lot of bad acting.
And I don't know.
I can't sit here and tell you that it's real, but I believed that guy for sure.
I did.
Well, I mean, it was a deathbed confession, and it wasn't only Richard Dolan who was there, but Linda Molnhal.
So these are some very crack researchers.
You're not going to pull the wool over their eyes that easily.
And, uh, so, so I think it's important to recognize that, but it's, it's stellar and not to be missed.
And, um, it, it is, well, it's on my website.
Um, and I'm not sure if, if you can find it under citizens hearing, I can put the link up for people even, uh, since we're talking about it here or just write to me and I'll, I'll send you to the link because it's fascinating.
It's awesome.
Anyway, that was played at the Citizens' Hearing for Disclosure.
So it's great that you participated in that.
Now, so let's get back to the subject at hand here.
What was your role with regard to this new documentary?
Mine personally?
Well, this is Darcy's film, really.
I mean, he did...
Really all of the editing and the writing.
I mean, I kind of tweaked some of the narration because I did it myself, but that's really all I did.
I kind of just narrated it and gave him a few pointers, but this one was mostly him.
Okay, so you're the voice.
I'm just a voice.
I kind of gave my opinion on every part of it.
Right, Darcy?
I gave my opinion on every single second of it.
It wasn't like I just kind of bowed out.
But he was the one editing everything and All right.
Well, you know, you did a great job on the voiceover.
Congrats on that.
I appreciate that.
I'm glad you liked it.
Yeah, absolutely.
I thought it sounded very authoritative.
Thank you.
No, it's hard to do that, actually.
You know, people don't maybe recognize that, but doing a kind of voiceover that sounds good and convincing and is listenable, it's a skill, definite skill.
So thank you for that.
I'm here on this earth to convince people that aliens are here.
No, I don't know.
I always try to convince.
I mean, that's my life story is how do I convince people?
Should have been in sales, man.
Yes, sales for free.
Well, no, if you're in filmmaking, you're in sales.
Producers are salespeople.
Yeah, there you go.
I can testify to that.
It sounds like you're kind of a quasi-producer, if you want to call it that.
So, Darcy, you're on the hot seat now.
So let's talk about your investment in this film, why you kind of got into this subject, because you actually, before this, you did Bill Schneider.
Did that light a fire?
Yeah, well, the Phil Schneider thing really started in 2012.
Back when I actually started my friendship with Lee, we were both interested in the story.
We've killed this story, so I'm not going to go in too deep, but I'll talk about how this project came along.
Basically, I was living in Australia.
And I always felt like there was a bit of a vacuum, so to speak, for a very consolidated and really well-presented story of UFOs in space.
Basically, you know, documenting the history of phenomenon that's going on around our planet and how NASA... You know, people talk all the time about capturing UFOs on their cameras from Earth.
And they've been capturing them with mostly, you know, visible light spectrum cameras or infrared cameras.
Whenever you put that shot on a Sony cam, that's usually infrared spectrum.
And...
Basically, I wanted to look into what has NASA done in the different light spectrums that our human eye can't see with.
We can't perceive this stuff around us naturally.
We need to use technology.
And when I started researching it, obviously there's There's been tons of UFO footage captured from the International Space Station and from all the STS missions with the Shuttle Atlantis and so on over the years, you know, 70s, 60s, 80s, 90s, you know, even up this year, I've got footage in my documentary from 2017.
But basically, What really piqued my curiosity in this realm is that NASA has a technology that only they can, because near and far-sighted extreme ultraviolet cameras, they really only work from space, because the Earth's atmosphere It filters ultraviolet light.
So you can really see with these cameras in a really good way from the planet.
We do sense ultraviolet obviously with our skin.
That's how we get like sunburns and stuff like that.
But we can't see with our eyes.
And so NASA has been carrying these glow cameras.
On their shuttle missions and so on, and they've been recording from the Space Arm, which is a Canadian construction, since way back when.
Shooting into deep space, they've been recording all kinds of footage, and then also shooting at the planet, showing the atmosphere and all kinds of things, floating, flying, stopping around it.
Carrie, we were talking about this before we jumped up this call, but some of the footage I used is quite notable.
People have seen it before, but I feel like people that are part of my generation really haven't grasped the truth about this footage.
I'm in my 30s.
Lee's about 15 years old.
He's growing up quick.
No, but he's in his 20s.
But there are people from our generation that have no idea that this is a thing.
And, you know, I got really attracted to the footage that Martin Stubbs, who's also a Canadian, recorded from his BBC van.
A lot of the footage that bootlegged from NASA's satellite satellite Basically, Martin Stubbs had ripped off because he was using a CB news van.
He used to work for the news company in Canada here.
And when he would go to bed, he would pop a beta cam into this VCR thing and he would record basically all this That was an audio commentary that was being carried out by NASA, by their astronauts in space, and Houston communicating with them.
And, you know, he caught some really interesting stuff.
And that really, when I was younger, in my early 20s, I was in university.
You know, I was studying physics.
I studied astrobiology in university and I took a course in the universe which introduced me to the Drake equation and all kinds of mathematical probabilities that there is intelligent life out there and that it's only a matter of time that they either find or we find them.
It's usually going to be a signal or something that's probably going to be able to travel this far because We can't comprehend the technology that may come here because we apparently don't have anything like that.
So I started looking into all this stuff and that's when I came across UFO phenomenon and down the rabbit hole I went and I guess to some degree I feel like this community are somewhat my people.
But I also feel like a pariah, too, because, you know, if you ever try to make general conversation about this subject with your regular Joe Schmo, who just watches hockey in Canada and doesn't really dip his brain into this phenomenon, he's going to look at you and think you're a crackpot or crazy.
And I think that's really sad.
And I put together documentaries like this because I want...
I don't know.
I want people to sort of snap out of it.
Yeah, just get like a quick look into a world that they've never seen before.
And this one talks very heavily about the ultraviolet technology has been using, shows a lot of footage that they've captured themselves.
And then people like James Oberg, who works for NASA and other space experts, You know, NASA employees saying, oh, you know, it's nothing but space dandruff.
It's space ice.
Yeah, that's crazy.
We all know.
There's no way.
Don't have hair, so how can there be space dandruff?
But anyways, it's something I've been...
I've been posting about my documentary on some groups and stuff on Facebook and just trying to get feedback from people because very independent, very small, would love a review and so on and so forth.
Some people have just come at me so hard from groups that are just not even close to...
Interested in this subject, astronomy groups and stuff like that.
And it sucks because it's such a black and white subject en masse.
It's like you either take it and you are labeled crazy and a crack at it.
Or you leave it and you're considered sane and normal and conformable and acceptable by the rest of society.
And I think that's really sad.
And I had very...
Like, non-combative conversations with some of these people.
They called me a flat earther.
They, you know, immediately launched into attacks as if they knew me.
And they hadn't seen the documentary.
They hadn't seen the data that was presented.
They didn't understand anything about it.
They hadn't even watched the trailer yet.
Right.
They made their mind up about me and the whole subject.
And I made this documentary specifically to try and bridge the gap between, you know, what can be considered completely sensational or let's take a look at this.
Why is this happening and why is that no one from NASA or, you know, mainstream scientists are taking this seriously?
Good answer.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I have this on the screen for everyone to see that the link is on my website.
So the website is projectcamelot.tv.
You go over there, you click on this blog post about the show tonight, and you'll see there's a poster and sort of a blurb about the show and those links to this where I've gotten here on the screen here that I'm showing you, Amazon.com.
And you can watch the trailer.
And you know what?
I don't know, but I could just throw some frames from the trailer on here if it would be useful.
So if there's any frames you want me to show while we're talking about it.
What?
Trailer for this movie?
There's a trailer, Lee.
How come they didn't ask me to edit it?
Who edited that?
Screw you, Blythe.
Oh, dude, we're done.
Oh, wow.
Okay, so we're getting some issues here.
I want to see this trailer.
No, so, you know, I'm just saying if there's any slides you want me, you know, because I can actually click this, and I don't know, you know, probably, I can just zoom through, and there's some...
Hold on.
Hold on.
But when NASA developed cameras...
Yeah, they've got David Serrata.
I mean, this is actually a really good documentary.
I have to say it has some great footage of UFOs.
If you've looked for this stuff on the internet, you might have seen it.
This is a pretty good picture here.
Right there, that sort of section of the film, you know, you actually hear a astronaut explaining the technology that they're using to capture this hazy sort of cloudy looking black and white image of you actually hear a astronaut explaining the technology that they're using to capture this hazy sort of cloudy looking black and white image of what is
And then you see objects moving over top of it and, you know, you hear the NASA astronauts saying, we are, This is a view of the Earth, and we are using an experimental glow camera, which records in extreme ultraviolet.
So there's no debating that.
This documentary is showing that this is what NASA is saying they're recording this with.
You know, it's not made up.
This is the truth.
Well, there's a great quote.
Do you have that quote in front of you?
Because I might have it if you don't.
From this guy.
His last name is...
He's an astronaut.
He's talking to...
He was on the...
The Discovery one.
And he actually says this amazing line that then NASA tried to say wasn't real.
In fact, I have it here.
Houston, this is Discovery.
We still have the alien spacecraft under observance.
Yeah, John Blaha.
John Blaha.
I mean, they can't deny it.
And this was, I looked it up.
It looks like it was around, if I got the date correct, around 1989.
I mean, can you imagine it?
It's like, when you hear that, it's just unimaginable because we are...
I mean, this just hit me now.
It's like...
Even when you show someone this documentary, I guarantee you a lot of people are still not going to be convinced because this is the kind of thing, and I honestly believe this, I think human beings are meant to individually discover that this is all real.
Right.
Because every time I try to convince a mass amount of people, I fail, and I realize maybe that's not the way to do it.
Maybe you have to search for this on your own, no matter who you are.
Well, let me say everyone should show this to their family.
Anybody who's a doubter, this is a great introduction to the subject and you've got scientists talking about, you know, the situation and you've got all kinds of wonderful UFO footage and you've got, you know, the NASA whole, you know, Yeah.
2017.
Hello.
I mean, why are we so behind the times?
It's scary.
Yeah, but it's amazing.
You can't even fathom what they were going through when they saw that supposed alien spacecraft.
I know, but they sounded very blasé.
In other words, they weren't scared.
They weren't shocked.
It was business as usual already, and that's 89.
So really get a grip on that.
That's a good point.
This is, again, where I'm saying there's a huge gap.
And it is a gap between what we say, you know, a rogue civilization, which is a secret space program, and the reality that people are living in, driving around in tin cans, flying in tin cans, and using, you know, gas to get around and all this nonsense.
I mean, this is just craziness.
Yeah, I wish we had Gary McKinnon on.
He doesn't want to talk about this stuff anymore.
I have to say, he's probably scared.
With good reason, because the bottom line is that he was really screwed over.
He became, you know, sort of a, well, he fell into, I believe, this is my view of it, you know, and I know my footage is the, let me just say this, I know it sounds maybe egotistical, but my footage is the best interview with Gary McKinnon ever done.
It really gets to the nitty-gritty, and he was very, very upfront and honest in his real self before people got to him and tried to get him to do certain other things and such.
But nonetheless, I have to say that this is the real thing.
Gary was very involved, and you see at one point in the video that you put up there in your In your documentary, he says, you know, I found proof.
He said, it may not be proof to other people, but it sure as hell is proof to me.
He says that without any hesitation whatsoever.
You know what I'm saying?
UFO subjects, yeah.
I mean, he was looking for proof of free energy or something like that, but...
He definitely states, you know, I hacked into NASA and the military industrial complex of all sorts.
There's server infrastructure and, you know, he found...
Stuff that was being suppressed from the public, and he was turned on to that by Donna Hare, right, who was part of the citizen hearings.
Well, he was turned into the fact that they colorized or airbrushed photos, but he actually found proof of the fleet-to-fleet transfers and the list of non-terrestrial officers.
That he found on his own had nothing to do with Donna Hare.
That's true.
I mean, that's what he says.
And, yeah, I found...
That's what he got arrested for.
You know, I mean, this is...
You know, if you want to get into Gary McKinnon, you have to see that he was actually arrested for finding out about the secret space program all those years ago, and he used a dial-up modem.
So, you know, kudos to Gary.
He may be commemorated as the first person who found a documented evidence...
You know, and released it to the public or whatever you want to say.
And then he got, you know, he was put on trial and all that and threatened with Guantanamo Bay.
You know, his mother went to bat for him, etc., etc.
And so did a lot of the British citizens to keep him in their country.
So, you know, he's really been through the ringer on this.
You can understand why he doesn't want much to do with it.
But nonetheless, and he probably signed some agreements that he wouldn't go out and talk more because he's Obviously going to have something to say if he did.
When people look back in history, I don't know if people ever do this in their own heads, but you might want to think about how you're going to be viewed from the Vantage Point of History.
And some of these people who don't step up and who kind of do some really awful things like trolling on my website and my chat room and so on, they're not going to look good in history, whereas Gary McKinnon is going to come out smelling like a rose and he's going to be famous.
You know what I'm saying?
And a lot of my whistleblowers are going to be massively famous when the cover-up breaks.
So it's in the process of cracking and you guys are helping That process.
So what can you tell me in terms of...
You have this really interesting scientist.
I'm sorry, I don't have his name in there.
Who's talking a lot of the beginning of the video and has some very good points to make.
He really did...
Drilled down.
He did a great deal of investigation.
What's his name?
Can you talk a little bit about him?
Dr.
Jack Kasher, the professor emeritus from Nebraska State University.
Yes, yes.
That's who it is.
Yeah, so Dr.
Jack Kasher is a bit of an unsung hero in sort of the whole UFO phenomenon.
He's 100% sane man.
He's got plenty of academic credentials behind him.
And he worked for NASA, and he worked for Jet Propulsion Lounge, and he worked for the Nebraska- Jet Propulsion Lab.
Pardon?
I think you mean Jet Propulsion Lab, that's all.
Yeah, yeah.
You said lounge, so, yeah.
Lounge!
Oh, lab, sorry.
It's all right.
I like to lounge in it.
Basically, he's an amazing character to me because he's taken an academic stance.
He's reviewed some of the most controversial events that have happened on NASA's cameras and ruled out that this could be what James Oberg would say is space dandruff or space ice or space junk basically anything that's not intelligently controlled and the way that he dissects STS-48 where that In
that we see an object trying to enter the Earth's hemisphere off in the distance, and when it does so, it slows down, stops.
We see some flashes from the planet, and then we see what looks like a cylindrical object, kind of like a missile, which is a different light quality, go to exactly where this UFO was in place before it evaded.
And he wrote a physics paper defining five proofs that what was shot in that footage off in the distance could not have been space ice.
And when NASA came out, It was, you know, nothing of concern.
They said that it was probably space ice that was moving because the shuttle was shooting off thrusters that constantly shoot off to sort of keep a certain trajectory and stay stabilized over the Earth's atmosphere, over the Earth in orbit.
And he even knows where those thrusters would be in relation to the actual window that the astronaut would have been shooting.
Oh, no, sorry.
It was a space arm.
So it was a camera on the end of a space arm.
And it goes into the housing bay at the end, if you watch the footage.
But he basically says...
Thrusters were nowhere close to where this camera was.
And where these objects were recorded was way off in the distance on the hemisphere of the Earth.
So, horizon of the Earth, rather.
And so, it just didn't make any sense what NASA had said.
But because NASA is an academic institution, because they are highly regarded...
And a bit of a, you know, a church, so to speak, of science.
All of their followers just say, okay, that must be it.
Must be just ice face dandruff.
Yeah, it's incredible.
And he goes forward and, you know, risks his academic career and stuff by saying, You guys might think this is crazy, but it definitely isn't.
And here's all the math.
Here's all of my calculations.
Here's the technology I've used to rule it out.
And it falls on deaf ears.
Can I ask you, does Jack Kasher invest in other UFO-related incidents or no?
He does, right?
He does.
He's into the whole thing.
Well, I think...
You know, there were a few events that happened before that that had turned him on to this.
And that's when he was...
And he even said when he worked for NASA and worked within the sort of military-industrial-scientific complex that other co-workers had an interest in this phenomenon too.
But because things are so compartmental and you just go in there and work on...
Your subject and your subject only, and you don't interact with other departments really, can't sort of cross-pollinate and communicate with another department that might actually be investigating something like this, that might actually be looking at that footage and might actually be telling the astronauts to be recording that stuff while it's happening.
You never know, right?
Like, it would just be so compartmentalized that he...
He did it as an independent at the time when he did the research and published his paper.
But Dr.
Jack Kasher is like an unsung hero.
He should really be at citizen hearings or, you know, stuff like that because he can talk about some of the science behind some of the most amazing sightings that have happened.
Footage.
Video footage.
Yeah.
And that's the thing.
It always gets attacked because it is video footage and it's, you know, so low definition or whatever.
How can you tell what it is?
Well, somebody like him can tell what it is because we're looking at something over the Earth's hemisphere that shouldn't be stopping and turning and moving intelligently.
Satellites, especially back then, just drift in one direction.
And meteorites and all these different, you know, astral objects are not supposed to move intelligently or be in a formation and so on.
So it just kind of makes no sense that NASA and other institutions are not looking into this stuff properly.
Deeper and harder and finding real answers for this.
And, you know, it sucks that there was Project Blue Book and there were scientific studies that were carried out officially on the record to the public back in, you know, 1970s and J. Allen Hynek headed it up.
Why don't we have something like that right now?
The The general public is at an all-time high of being interested in this and believing that there could be intelligent life out there in the universe.
And maybe they could be visiting us.
But everybody's on the edge of their sea right now because possibly North Korea is going to launch a nuclear ballistic missile this way.
These are things definitely to be alarmed and worried about.
And there's all kinds of other issues that for a lot of people get closer to home and should take precedence over this phenomenon.
But if you think about it the way that, say, Gary McKinnon thought about it, where, hey, if there is intelligent life that's visiting us and they've got the technology to do this, what technology are they using?
And why are we stuck on this caveman technology?
Why is our society a certain way?
Why are we still warmongering with each other?
Why aren't we like a galactic race that's going out and populating the rest of our solar system and not fighting over space on this planet?
These are some other questions that we should be asking that are related to the phenomenon.
And It's great.
It just makes the logic sense.
Let me ask you another question.
Lee, I want you to be able to jump in here anytime.
If you have something to add to what is being said, obviously you worked on the project.
You probably know a lot of the footage quite well.
So that's that section.
But I also want to draw people's attention to the Brian O'Leary footage that you used from Project Camelot.
And I do want to say that, you know, Brian Lowe Leary, he died of a very fast-acting cancer.
You want to call it that?
Yeah.
And he was also featured on our, we did a pilot for a reality television show that was supposed to be the follow-up to Conspiracy Theory, the Jesse Ventura show.
We were supposed to be the ones that dealt with the UFOs and we have one episode that was done, the pilot, and that's on my website and it's called Shadow Op.
In case you want to watch his Shadow Operations.
And so Brian O'Leary was on that show as well.
And he was talking about how he was threatened.
And then, believe it or not, after we recorded that footage, which was shot over Skype while we were in Las Vegas at the Hard Rock...
I guess it's the...
I think it's called the Hard Rock Hotel or whatever they call it.
Anyway, it was just a weird thing, but he was in South America, so they didn't have the budget to fly there to interview him in person.
They had him talking to Bill and I at the time, and this is back in 2009, I think, over Skype.
And Brian O'Leary talks about how he was threatened and et cetera.
And then he called up the producers and he tried to get that footage taken off our pilot.
He was afraid.
even then that he was going to be, you know, that some repercussions.
And I have to say that less than a year later, he actually died, as I say, of this fast acting cancer.
Now you could say, well, that's just the brakes.
Or you could say maybe he was, you know, we know they have the technology to kill somebody in this way.
So this is the kind of thing going on.
So do you want to, one of you guys, I'll get Lee in here just to give you a chance to, you know, sort of talk a little.
Do you want to talk about Brian O'Leary, that segment, or any other segment that comes to mind?
I... I'm trying not to talk.
That's what I'm doing.
I'm trying to keep my mouth shut because, you know, it's like I could talk about this for hours.
I couldn't really find a moment to jump in during Darcy's epic answer to that previous question.
It kind of flowed.
Is that right?
I don't know much about Brian O'Leary, actually.
Okay.
Is there any particular section of the video of the documentary that came to mind that really was stunning?
I'll tell you one for me that when they shoot, they're shooting at a UFO. I mean, there's no two ways about it.
From the ground, we are shooting at a UFO that's going by.
We miss it by a considerable amount.
That's a very famous section of the STS program.
I believe 48 footage.
I actually made a tiny documentary and included that section in my footage illegally.
And, you know, so it's really vital.
I mean, that's amazing.
I don't know if you guys have it on the trailer.
Do you have it on the trailer or is it only in the video?
No, it's not in the trailer.
Yeah, so with Brian O'Leary, he was talking about Carl Sagan and how Carl Sagan had fudged data about the face on Mars.
Is that what you're talking about?
Well, yes, there was a section like that in your video, yes.
Yeah.
Well, I guess that's kind of like the tip of the iceberg for...
Astronauts that are also part, as I said, a lot of this stuff is compartmentalized.
You've got many different moving parts and there's only people that are in the know.
Some people in this whole realm have come out and said, I've been pretty to this information.
And, you know, we talked about the guy that...
Worked for the CIA and was on his deathbed and said he was part of an Eisenhower operation to do a base where Eisenhower had no need to know and he forced his way in.
I believe that story.
But Brian O'Leary didn't at first have the information.
He went looking for it later.
And then when he saw what Carl Sagan was doing, who was part of Of the same institution that had the no, that knew about things that were going on, Carl Sagan was covering it up.
And he says, you know, that was direct evidence to me, primary evidence, that this is not just a subject for crazy people.
And it's sad that there's not more astronauts going out there and finding this.
There are astronauts, plenty of astronauts, that have talked about seeing things.
Well, you just reminded me of something.
See, now I found an area to jump in.
You just reminded me of something.
Now, I'm going to probably piss off a lot of people when I say this, but I got a little bit of a bone to pick with that Neil deGrasse Tyson.
And I only thought of this because he took over Cosmos, obviously.
God, this is so funny when I think about it.
I don't know if you guys have ever heard there's a sitcom called People of Earth.
It's about like aliens visiting.
Have you heard of that?
I'm not sure.
Yeah, TBS? Oh, Carrie, you gotta check it out.
Well, isn't...
I think I did.
I think it's really...
Well, sorry, but, you know...
It's bizarre.
I know, but I thought it was really stupid.
I mean, you know, you gotta understand I live in this world, so it's very hard for me.
They're trying to make a joke out of it.
I don't think...
Yeah, I don't think it's an amazing show.
I like the fact that they have the reptilian agenda.
So the point is, I don't love it, but I'm watching the special features of the show.
I guess they were on the website.
And one of them is a 30-second video of Neil deGrasse Tyson.
And now this is going to prove what you just said.
He's basically just trying to debunk UFOs.
But he's doing it in a way that is the epitome Of cocky and pretentious and just stupid.
He's sitting in a cafe and he's just sipping on a cup of coffee.
And it's like a voiceover of him talking.
And it's just like, if aliens fly in flying saucers and flying saucers are spinning, well, wouldn't the centrifugal force kill them?
And I'm just thinking, who said they're spinning?
Yeah.
What do you think?
It's a dreidel spinning around?
Who told you that they're spinning like a top?
That probably isn't happening.
Maybe they're made of light.
Maybe they're not a physical object.
Counter-rotating rings.
Degrass Tyson said that.
I was just like, this is the special features of people of Earth?
Yeah, maybe they don't take it seriously, but who knows?
I didn't watch enough of the show to really make that determination.
I kind of touch on this a bit in the documentary that, like, I've heard the argument about the impossibility to cross, you know, galaxy to galaxy or star to star.
We don't have the technology.
If we don't have the technology, they don't have the technology.
So there's no way an intelligent race could come and visit us from another star, so on and so forth.
That is like the sort of mainstream scientific argument right there that this is bullshit, the whole phenomenon.
But here's the thing.
What I say, like kind of hint at in the documentary, is that what if, you know, we're sending satellites out into the cosmos and Neil deGrasse Tyson is so excited to talk about satellites.
And we've got buzzing all around the planet right now, drones, which are robotic, intelligently controlled contraptions we've built, to go from point A to point B to look at things, survey areas that we can't go deep in the oceans or into volcanoes or, you know, to an uncharted part of the planet where humans just can't traverse.
Or, you know, even further to that, just a hostile area where, you know, possibly that country doesn't want us to look.
And you've got, you know, that aspect.
If you just use basic logic, why can't you have a drone coming from another star, another galaxy that is high technology that's coming out here to say hello or coming out here to survey us?
And maybe we're seeing a lot of that.
Okay, well, fair enough.
You know, I have to say that, well, Iran shot down our drone, and that was a whole issue.
So that went over Iran.
Well, look, NASA, what NASA did after they had astronauts was they basically shifted the entire space program to have unmanned vehicles.
So they do a lot of unmanned vehicle stuff, especially when they talk about going out to space, but they're a front agency.
Never a straight answer.
I mean, they've proven themselves to be liars so many times that anyone who believes what they come out with has just got to need their head examined in my view.
You know, but I'm pretty hardcore and I understand that.
Now, I just want to do this little thing here because I wanted to show you guys, you know, it's important to understand that people are actually debunking this stuff.
And that at the citizens' hearing that we talked about earlier, This is along the lines of...
These are three of my videos that I shot there and did interviews with.
And here I've got this...
His name is Lieutenant Colonel French, and he was a very elderly man.
He worked for OSI back in the day, and he freely admits on my video that his job, his entire job, was to go out and debunk and to discredit anyone who saw UFOs Out in the sector.
So that was his job.
Okay?
Now, this old man has no reason to show up at the citizen's hearing and to tell his story and to lie about it.
I mean, he was...
I can't...
It's a lot of effort.
He's so elderly and so serious.
And, you know, he's a military guy.
He still conducts himself like a military guy.
And I highly recommend you watch this.
Just put citizen in the search.
That's awesome that you got to interview him.
Yeah, it was very cool.
And, you know, Joseph Buckman, he was one of the panelists, I believe.
Yeah, he was the moderator.
And I actually, you know, I asked some real hard questions to these people, as you can imagine, is my sort of style.
I really got Buckman a little sort of dazed and confused over some of the questions I asked him.
You know, so this stuff is real.
You know, these people, the cover up is real.
People would not be sort of, well, killed like Phil Schneider.
And, you know, he's part of a long list.
Brian O'Leary, Gordon Novell, one of my witnesses, and there are others, you know, There's one witness called Mr.
X who died.
He had a newborn baby.
It was Christmas.
He was very young, in his 40s, and just suddenly went to the hospital and just died of a sudden heart attack.
I mean, I've got...
I don't like to say how many, but there are witnesses that have come forward, talked to Project Camelot, and basically died very shortly after that.
In fact, one witness...
Well, one lived next to the Rothschild estate, and we did the Barry King interview there.
And I have to say that the man who gave us his property to do the interview at was a youngish man who was very interested in all sorts of things.
He attended a conference.
He invited us to his place.
We shot the interview there, and I found out a few months later he died.
Really?
Yep.
And he lived right next door to a Rothschild.
So maybe that was his problem or maybe they just took him out because they didn't like the fact he was helping us.
You know, crazy stuff goes on.
So if you don't think there's a...
I can tell you without any doubt whatsoever there's a cover-up.
It's so major.
It's incredible.
And, you know, this documentary that you made is basically kind of delineating out a lot of the very logical, very sort of clear, in my view, that's clear evidence for the UFO story going back even into the 1980s.
I mean, that's great.
You know, great stuff.
So what I'd like you to do is also talk about that.
Go ahead.
Well, no, I was just going to say, earlier you asked me what part of the documentary really was important to me.
And ironically, there's actually a piece that isn't in it, to my knowledge at least.
But I like that tether incident.
I mean, I've shown that to so many people.
I don't remember which...
Number STS launch it was?
STS 75.
75.
You know, I show that video to so many people because there's so much going on in it.
You got these objects that obviously have a large flaring, you know, shape to them.
And then you have these really small orbs that are flying in every different direction.
Some are darting in angles.
And the problem with that footage, Lee, is that if...
I had made that a major focus.
Then people like James Oberg would win.
I know.
Space dandruff.
It's dust.
Well, you know, actually, I'm going to pull that up on the screen here just real quick, because so people that if anyone doesn't know what we're talking about, that's major, actually.
And you did have David Serrata.
David Serrata is one of the people who really popularized that.
I guess, you know, he made that a really important part of his talks, right?
Yeah.
And I think you did, yeah.
And I felt like he killed it, so I didn't want to do it anymore.
Yeah, no, I mean, it's all good.
Actually, you do have a tiny piece of the tether situation, but let me just share this really quick so people can see this.
No reason why not.
Just real quick and...
You know, I think we can get away with this kind of thing.
So that's it.
That's the tether footage, STS-75.
And it's actually very cool.
So if you haven't looked at it, go onto YouTube and check it out.
And like I said, in this documentary, you're going to see all kinds of footage that you probably aren't aware of or...
You know, and really, there's no other explanation.
And people also say to me, oh, you know, I can't, I've never seen a UFO. How do I see a UFO? Watch this footage if you want to see what they really look like.
You know what I'm saying?
Because it's so easy to see them.
They do look like, you know, we're far away.
They do look like little dots, you know?
That's just the reality of it, right?
So there it goes.
You can see that, right?
Don't you think if you were an alien race and you were faced with the choice of interacting with humanity or not, the least you can do, like the very least you can do if you want to enter the race, is to show yourself as just a pixel of light in the sky.
And that is what a lot of UFO sightings are.
It's just a ball of light.
And, you know, if you think about it, that's the most harmless, Non-invasive way to reveal yourself.
Yeah, I think that's a good point.
It's also the fact that they're thousands, if not millions of miles away.
And so they're a lot bigger.
I mean, if it looks relatively big in respect to the Earth and you see these dots of light, they're actually gigantic.
And people want to know, the flat earthers want to know why we don't have a good photo of the Earth standing back looking at the Earth, etc., etc.
You know why?
Because we are surrounded by these craft.
Absolutely surrounded.
And there are some gigantic ones out there.
I don't think that they can get away with showing us.
You can't airbrush them all out.
You know what I'm saying?
You would get caught.
So this is my view.
There could also be another aspect to this that a lot of people talk about.
If you think about People saying that we live in like a third dimension.
Guys, excuse me for one second.
Multiple dimensions.
If you think about...
Yeah, people say that we live in like the sort of third dimension and there's multiple dimensions out there.
What if like, you know, ultraviolet is a dimension that we're seeing that exists at the same time as ours and all those things floating around, all those things interacting...
Stopping, moving intelligently and stuff are really sort of existing, coexisting, but not interacting with us on the same plane.
And that's what NASA and that's what other organizations that use this technology are.
Are able to capture, they're actually able to do a bit of research looking into another dimension that we don't usually perceive and get to see.
So, I mean, I thought that was really interesting in the, you know, just thinking about it while I was constructing this documentary.
I wanted to talk about it at one point, but I wanted to make it more, you know, succinct and And show, you know, as much as I could to talk about what I already had.
That doesn't mean that I couldn't make another documentary discussing that and maybe looking into science, you know, investigating other dimensions and how we can look into those dimensions, how we can actually see tangibly things that are outside of our material dimension.
I don't know.
Right.
Well, I can say that, actually, Geordi Rose and his D-Wave, I don't know if you're familiar with that, the quantum computer called D-Wave that's now being used by the military.
No, I don't know about that.
D-Wave is actually constructed within kilometers of where I live, a Vancouver-based company.
Right.
So the point is, though, that Jordi Rose is standing on stage, a scientist and a software entrepreneur, whatever you want to call it, a hardware entrepreneur, from Silicon Valley.
He's talking about how he says his computer is accessing software.
And by the way, Einstein also acknowledged that there was a fifth dimension.
You can get quotes from Einstein on the fifth dimension.
So being dimensional is, you know, I think scientists even acknowledge at this time sophisticated ones.
That we have at least 15 dimensions.
And there may be a hell of a lot more than that.
So it is not off the pale.
It is something that CERN, of course, is dealing with.
It is something that yogis have been dealing with forever.
And anyone who's psychically aware, this is where ghosts come in, in the fourth dimension.
I mean, we're talking about unseen dimensions and why something can actually be interdimensional, which is what the reptilians do.
And so they're coming in and out.
They're actually in a...
It's an in-between dimension.
It's a really interesting dynamic.
And the reason I know about that is because I saw one in an interdimensional sort of portal when I was wide awake one day when I was meditating.
Really?
You say I'm crazy, but back then I didn't even believe they existed.
Oh my goodness.
Did you think it was a dream?
No, I saw it.
He flew by me.
It was a Shakar.
It was a flying reptilian.
I know this sounds wild, but I was literally going into a meditation.
You know how your mind just kind of sees something and then you kind of recall it seconds later?
Well, I saw this.
I saw him go by.
I saw him look at me.
He was a conscious being.
I'm Knew I was conscious.
He wanted me to see him.
I didn't believe they existed back then.
It was before Camelot, a few years.
And the one thing, I believed in all sorts of things.
You know, I'd been visited by various beings, etc.
I had all kinds of weird experiences as a child.
But I would watch the V, you know, that V television show in the old days when I was a kid.
And I would say...
Come on, there's not those kind of beings.
That's crazy, you know?
And so it was the one thing I didn't believe in, but when this creature flew by me, I kind of snapped awake a couple seconds later, and I realized what I'd seen.
No way!
Yeah, I wasn't asleep, but I was in, you know, I had tripped into another dimension.
You can do that, you know, and some people can do that more easily than others, obviously.
So, you know, dimensions exist.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Dimensions exist, and certainly remote viewers will testify to this as well, and I've had those on my show, as you know.
You know, the other day, I remote viewed by accident a few days ago.
I'm not even kidding.
I'm not trying to be funny.
No, absolutely.
It's totally possible.
The way I'm going to tell this story, people will probably laugh at it, but I was laying in bed right here.
I was about to go to sleep, and I was fully awake, fully conscious.
And I started to see, with my eyes closed, a face.
And I kind of just...
Let it form and it was my face.
And then I saw the blanket covering my body.
I was looking at myself.
And this wasn't the kind of thing where You know how you see stuff really quick and then it's completely gone?
Like if you're dreaming or you wake up, you still kind of have it in your mind and then it goes away?
This was there and I was staring at it for like 20 seconds.
Are you sure that wasn't an OBE? Yeah, it actually sounds like you started to go into OBE. You started to go into out-of-body experience.
Sounds like an out-of-body experience.
But the weird thing is...
I've had a lot of lucid dreams, had a lot of sleep paralysis, had some out-of-body stuff.
This was the first time that I was like...
Fully conscious, fully aware, not even close to being asleep, hadn't fallen asleep yet, and I'm looking at myself.
I can see the blanket covering my body and my little head sticking out.
I mean, honestly.
And then I pulled out my phone and I wrote it down.
I just wrote down what just happened.
I've never experienced that in my life.
That's very cool.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
Well, we could actually trade these kind of stories.
I mean, go ahead.
Let's hear from you, Darcy.
Me?
I would love to have an out-of-body experience.
I've interviewed people.
Actually, I interviewed a guy in Australia who, part of his profession, he was a Russian guy, and part of his profession was doing meditation and teaching people how to have out-of-body experiences.
He would have these meditative...
It's like William Bowman.
Sure.
I don't know, but I went and interviewed him on the Gold Coast.
I've never really gotten into meditation.
I've most of the time fallen asleep trying to do it, but I'd love to have the power to do something like that.
I was going to talk about something completely different.
Oh, go ahead.
I was going to talk about my experience...
Sort of showing this documentary online.
And I was chatting with an individual in a group called Astronomy and Outer Space and I Love Astronomy VIP Club.
And the individual basically had stated when I posted on his group that he didn't believe...
He didn't believe in me sharing this to the group because he had concluded that the UFO subject was a pseudoscience and he was the former deputy director of investigations for MUFON. Yeah, big surprise.
Big surprise there.
And I was blown away.
I actually replied immediately, kind of being a bit defensive towards that.
And I said, how can you put those two things in one sentence?
What's up with MUFON? It's run by the CIA. How can you say you're the former Deputy Director of Investigations for an organization which is supposed to be taking this phenomenon very seriously across North America?
And you consider this to be pseudoscience.
Now, he did later tell me that he watched the documentary and that he appreciated some of the perspectives and views that I had come forward with in a documentary.
But he said he would rather that when posting it, that it falls under the scrutiny of Oakham's Razor.
Which means Occam's Razor, however you want to pronounce it, is basically saying the simplest explanation is the answer.
And the simplest explanation is exactly what James Oberg would say.
It's space ice.
It's dust.
It's junk.
Well, actually, that's only simple according to a human being and not according to another culture from another planet.
Because what we think is simple is, you know, maybe some of these people are really simpletons.
And so, therefore, I wouldn't take their simple explanation for the grandeur of the universes and also the creator.
And why would you put the creator's mind into a little box and say that's all they're capable of is just one earth with one group of people.
That's it.
They're done.
They never created anything else, right?
Yeah.
I mean, get a grip on reality.
The simplest explanation is not the best.
Because the universe...
Look, if you've lived longer than 10 years, you know that our lives are highly complex.
And that the human organism is highly complex.
And as far as MUFON goes, look...
All I can say is I have an interview with a guy named Bob Fisk, who was an investigator for MUFON. And I'm just going to show this really quickly so people can see.
On my, you can again, you know, look, we're just kind of crossing some territory that I happen to have a great deal of background in.
And, you know, it's worthwhile to show that these people are lying.
So this is Bob Bisk, and he basically talks about, he lived in Colorado, and he's still around, and he's basically debunking MUFON and telling you how and why.
So you want to go to my website, you want to go to my YouTube channel and put in the word MUFON. And that's only one example of how MUFON is run by the CIA. I have multiple pieces of evidence to that effect, but some of it is back-channel information, obviously.
So I wouldn't worry if some MUFON guy...
I also wrote a very important article recently about Something that MUFON did during a conference that they had.
To some speakers that they had a panel discussion.
And it might have even been the same guy.
I'm not sure.
Because you said he was...
What was he?
The director?
The former...
I'm looking at Facebook right now.
Well, let's not name him anyway.
I'm not going to name.
And I do appreciate him eventually posting it and being forthwith about his opinions.
But yeah, he was the former director.
Be the director of investigations worldwide for MUFON. Right.
And I'm glad he left it because if he thinks that it's just a pseudoscience, that's an incredibly biased and unweighted way to approach phenomenon.
You know, it might interest you to know...
He comes from a scientific background.
I appreciate that.
I appreciate that he wants to, you know, rule out that it's...
Not just some natural phenomenon first, but if you go into it just thinking, oh, like, this is all pseudoscience, that's not really helping.
Well, actually, do you know who Alan J. Hynek is?
You mentioned Project Blue Book and all of that.
Yeah.
Eventually, you know, he was the scientist who was tasked with actually debunking, just like that older man I was showing you.
Well, so was Hynek, and I've interviewed Ann.
Oh, God, what's her name?
Forget her name, Eller, Ann Eller, who worked with him for many years.
And she worked at his side.
And her documented testimony is on my, it's an audio interview as well as a video interview.
And she talks about how he said, basically, he ended up believing in UFOs.
He knew they were real.
And he actually told her that.
And she has written several books about UFOs and various things because she had her own experiences subsequent to working with him.
So Alan J. Hynek is a very highly respected astronomer, so you should talk to your MUFON guy about Alan J. Hynek and the reality there.
And I know, before he died, he actually came out to the public saying that he was forced by the government to rule out everything as natural occurring phenomenon.
I know.
And he said he regrets it.
He said publicly he highly regretted doing it because there's a lot of things that he had many questions about and knew that there was trace evidence and physics evidence that it couldn't have been physical evidence that it couldn't be just a natural occurring phenomenon.
I think he was the guy that originally said some landing that happened was swamp gas Yeah.
And they joke about it in a movie, Men in Black, and ever since.
Actually, he coined the term Close Encounters.
The reflection of the moon off of swamp gas made this illusion, and it was a mass hysteria illusion, this, like, craft or whatever that people in this neighborhood saw, but he came forward and said it definitely wasn't swamp gas, you know?
Well, he made famous Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
That was, I believe, Alan J. Hynek came up with that.
Jay Allen Hynek.
But yeah, it's amazing.
I think, Kerry, you were talking about how the simplest answer is probably not the same thing for everyone, right?
Everyone has a different definition of simple.
I'm sure you think, and I agree with this completely, That the simplest answer to me is that aliens are here.
I don't see anything more simpler and reasonable than that.
So I don't know if that's because we've broken the conditioning or whatever, or if we've just heard so much testimony that now we're sure of it.
But to me, it just makes the most sense.
And I don't know if I've always felt that way since I was a kid.
I can't tell anymore.
I don't know.
But...
I just don't think there's anything weird about there's a race of other people.
Am I right?
It just doesn't seem weird to me.
Well, actually, our scientists are now saying there's billions of Earth-like planets out there.
Of course.
This is mainstream science.
Well, let's extrapolate.
So there's billions of Earth-like planets.
What does that actually mean?
Maybe there's billions of Earth-like civilizations.
I mean, you know, so what you might call an alien is really just an off-worlder.
You know, just not an earthling, so to speak.
So, you know, you can widen your mind in that way as well.
You know, there's so many levels to this.
You know, I don't know if you've experienced this at all, but when I talk to people about aliens and UFOs who don't really...
Care or do any research into it.
A lot of people have a hurdle or an obstacle, which is they don't understand how it's possible that an alien race would be humanoid.
And I go, what's so weird about that?
We're humanoid.
And they usually say, well, it's just so silly to me that you'd assume that an alien would be humanoid.
But I'm sorry, I've never heard testimony of a blob alien or a crab Or like the thing from The Arrival, which is a great movie, not The Arrival, but Arrival, Amy Adams.
Those aliens, I've never heard any testimony about stuff like that.
Well, I have, but I'm Roger Campbell.
You know, they're actually...
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, Men in Black is, you know, close to the truth.
You know, they love to put the truth in Hollywood movies.
So, as a matter of fact, there are...
Just go into your imagination.
Imagine every kind of being under the sun and you pretty much got it.
Because again, Creator has maybe a better imagination than you do.
That is true.
There are so many other beings out there that have also great imaginations and have been creating beings for a long, long time.
Longer than the earth has ever been here.
It really gets...
That's true.
Anything is possible.
But people have this...
Go ahead.
Anyway.
No, no, no.
I was just going to say, people definitely have a hard time accepting that aliens are humanoid.
I'm like, it's just like, people are truly backwards.
Well, it's actually said that the humanoid head, two arms, two legs, you know, that's actually one of the kind of common sort of shapes that, you know, appears, and there's some scientific documentation on this as well.
I think the thing that bothers me about discussing this openly at a party or something like that, which I never do.
Again, I don't want to be a pariah in a very normal setting.
I want to pretend like this isn't me.
See, I don't care.
I just do it.
That's why I love you, man.
That's why I love you.
But really, honestly, I think the worst thing is that...
Humans are just narcissistic.
Like, we are so selfish and short-sighted.
That's what it is.
To think that we are the only intelligent beings that could, you know, be interacting with the solar system or the universe.
And, like...
You get called a conspiracy theorist if you believe that there's a possibility that this information is being suppressed.
But there's very good reason to be suppressed.
It's not conspiracy if you think about how maybe the economy that's run by basically fossil fuels.
If you look at the news every day, everybody's worried about the barrel of oil going down and how that will affect jobs.
And speaking of Gary McKinnon, You know, he's an example of the large amount of people that have claimed to have been really seriously intimidated and threatened.
Now, the difference with him is that he actually committed a crime.
So, he's in a divorce position.
Well, actually, there's some...
Let me correct that, because as it happens, Gary used a dial-up modem back in the very olden days.
And the fact that he got into NASA, the evidence was, as he said, some of those places and Pentagon, they had no password.
None.
So you're not breaking a law if they have no password.
And on top of that, I'm not sure what else there was.
You know, I'm not a techie, but there was other reasons.
And that's why I call it a honeypot, because actually, I believe they set that trap.
And that they just were picking and choosing who they were going to use as an example to kind of sort of rake them over the coals.
Because that was in the early days of the Internet.
They were starting to worry about security, but they actually didn't have much.
That's in Gary's testimony.
You can check it out.
The way that he actually hacked into the servers was by putting in the name, To log in to the server as administrator.
Oh right, that too.
And then a blank password.
Because on a lot of servers that were set up back in the Windows XP days, the server administrators would create a new account, but they'd forget to either change the name on the default administrator account, Which always had just the name administrator, or if they didn't change the name, they'd forget to change the password.
You have to create a password for that account.
This is a real thing.
And so he was able to just find these IP addresses for these servers, connect to them, and when it When he was doing a remote desktop connection to them, he would just put in administrator as the username and no password, and that's the default for a lot of these servers.
Yeah, his biggest crime was being smart.
They don't do that anymore.
He exposed a huge security flaw for these organizations.
That's right.
But if you tried to do that now, the only way that Bradley Manning Got the data out of the military-industrial complex that showed, you know, all these atrocities being committed by the American military in video, killing reporters that were unarmed and mistaking them for insurgents over in Iraq.
The only way he got that information to the public is because he took the information from within the organization.
He was working closely.
Inside of the organization had it from within to the servers, and he was downloading the stuff.
That's right.
There's no way you could hack into those same systems from outside these days.
They have fortified themselves.
Well, I would be careful about no way, but I can appreciate it.
I mean, you're right about Gary McKinnon.
And his biggest crime was being intelligent, to tell you the truth, and just curious.
He was just curious.
And they lied about him causing damage.
He didn't damage anything.
He didn't even have the capability to damage anything.
And that was a complete cover-up.
So I just want to put this on the screen really quickly here.
Evidence by any other name is an article I wrote about MUFON.
It's about a panel discussion.
You can watch the panel discussion and judge for yourself whether you like my article.
But I highly recommend you read it because I really derailed down into something that a MUFON director said to the panel discussion after they conducted the entire panel.
He got on the mic and basically tried to say they were all full of it.
And it was amazing.
It had Rich Dolan, Andy Bastiago, Michael Sala, William Tompkins, Corey Goode, and was quite a good panel of people.
And they were, you know, I don't agree with all these people, but certainly some of them are really stellar investigators.
And William Tompkins is a witness that I interviewed that many people will know.
And I have over three hours of interview with him that I highly recommend on my YouTube channel.
And he also died recently.
Some people think he was killed.
But you can search for, just put the word evidence on my website, and it's evidence by any other name.
It's all about MUFON. I give you a link to the MUFON discussion so you can watch it.
And you just judge for yourself what this guy says at the end of that discussion.
Read my article and figure out whether or not Andy Basciago, who regardless of what you think about his Mars information, is a trained lawyer, and he says to that guy, to his face, that you don't know what is admissible in court, a court of law, and he's absolutely, he's right on in what he says, and the MUFON guy is absolutely mistaken.
So it's an important moment in history, you want to call it that.
It happened in Colorado, I think it was just this summer, it was very recent, what did I write?
August, I think the actual panel discussion happened maybe in I don't know, June or July or something like that.
Maybe a little earlier.
It was this year.
So just check that out if you want to see where they...
Again, this is where the disinfo comes in.
It is a cover-up.
They're interested in covering up the story.
And MUFON is orchestrated and run by the CIA. And the Colorado branch is one of its...
It might even be the main headquarters.
I'm not sure.
And I've spoken at MUFON. I'm sure they're not going to have me back after this.
But nonetheless, that doesn't mean they don't have good speakers because they do, actually.
And they do have good people.
They have good people working there.
I've seen some amazing MUFON lectures and I don't want to paint MUFON as being some corrupt organization or whatever.
I was simply illustrating to you that my experience with interacting with people in the public On this documentary is that one individual came to me and said, I just think this is pseudoscience to be, you know, Deputy Director of Investigations Worldwide for MUFON, but he left.
So maybe they've changed their tune a bit.
I'd love to speak to some MUFON people for the next documentary we're working on.
I'm communicating with Wame Ma-san.
And I think I've got something else really good coming along.
But yeah, basically, I don't want to rule out that the organization is completely messed up.
I just thought that that was interesting, that there's people that take positions of power for organizations that, you know, we would hope to be churning out relevant information on the phenomenon and not being biased.
Don't get me started on Contact in the Desert.
I got my whole bone to pick with that event.
I think that thing's been psyoped.
I don't know.
Well, I'm going to agree with you, but we're not going to go into that on this video.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
I don't mean to open up another can of worms.
What I want to do is steer you guys back to talking about your documentary because we've talked about various episodes and various sort of people that are in the video.
Can you talk about any other sections that you think are particularly, you know, sort of mind-bending or, you know, might make people more aware of Because you're the one who knows it the best.
Yeah, so there's, you know, sections where we talk about code words or astronauts being briefed.
Pardon?
Like fire.
You said, well...
Yeah, like there's been a fire or something like that, or we see a fire and then, you know, that's when Don Ratch recorded some following information where Johnny Blaha said, we now have the UFO in observance or whatever.
But, you know, I think...
Oh, that's actually an interesting guy.
Donald Ratch.
I would love to get in touch with that guy.
I tried to find his contact information, a picture of his, anything I could find online.
And Jack Kasher, who was in contact with him back in the 90s, said like, you know, you can't really find much about him.
I don't know if he's still around.
I hope he is.
That guy's a hero.
That guy went and...
He recorded a lot of this data that people speculate came right from NASA today.
And part of the reason why some of it is not admissible in court is because you need 21 words in order to do a voice print analysis accurately.
And I think in some of those recordings that were taken from the downstream of NASA... There was only like 13 words or something spoken.
But yet, when you watch some of these videos, and in my film, I could have included so much content that's out there of NASA. I could have included lots of different UFO shots.
I could have included lots of commentary recordings where the astronauts are caught talking about things that they're observing.
And it's like leader tango, the eagle has landed, like really weird code jargon.
And part of possible reasons why they would talk with code word so that anybody who is listening and anybody who is recording it will not understand what is being spoken about.
And And then you also have to ask yourself, are some astronauts read into what is going on out there?
And are they debriefed when they come down and said and told?
You know, Buzz Aldrin or something like that.
He's kind of come out and said certain quick things in the public, but then retracted those statements and said, no, I wasn't talking about UFOs.
It was something that we couldn't identify.
And, you know, our telemetry and our ground-based radar said that that shouldn't have been there.
But I didn't say it was a UFO. And it's like, okay, fine.
Like, just backpedal because we know that You're not allowed to talk about this.
Maybe that's the real thing.
Maybe astronauts are just not supposed to talk about this because they make an oath they swear in that they are going to be privy to information that is amazing.
And they are going to have an experience that very few human beings on this planet get to have, which is to leave the Earth's atmosphere and go into the heavens, so to speak.
Because they get that privilege, they're there to shut up and not talk about certain things that they know or experience when they're up there.
That could be another thing.
Well, there is a famous Santa Claus is one of the code words for UFOs.
I don't know if you've heard that, but apparently, yeah, that's one of the code words.
Actually, I was told recently, you know, they still use code words all the time and they do it in the mainstream as well when they're talking about stuff.
And one of the code words I was told that whenever they're talking about nuclear stuff, they're actually talking about alien stuff.
Wow.
And if you want to wrap your mind on that one, being a code word for what's going on here on Earth, when they're saying that Iran has nukes, they're not talking about nukes.
They're talking about something completely different.
Really?
There's a lot of this kind of code word going on in the mainstream and with people talking to each other.
Shall I mention Pizzagate?
I did my interview last week.
Nuclear weapons are...
Wait, Carrie, what was it?
Pizzagate, you know.
Oh, wait, Darcy.
Go ahead.
Darcy, it's nuclear, brother.
Nuclear.
Get your Canadian pronunciation.
Get it right.
Nuclear.
Don't be like George W. Bush now.
We've got to have some credibility here.
Don't be racist.
So, when we talk about, you know, North Korea and nuclear weapons...
There's one thing that is covered in the documentary, and that is Jack Kasher's previous career in working on the Star Wars project.
And the Star Wars project is to put ground-based laser systems, x-rays, so on and so forth, and satellite-based laser systems that are used to track, target, and shoot down these kinds of threats.
Now, this was heavily under research, investigation, and they were testing what would be the effects to the atmosphere, what would be the effects to people or objects surrounding these weapon systems if we had to use them, so on and so forth.
And he touches on that.
Then I actually include a picture where the Navy has...
These laser systems, they have them on lots of carriers, like aircraft carriers and battleships that are out on the ocean, and they're used to shoot down just missiles if they see a missile coming.
Now, you've got to just think, do we have that technology actually in space and on land-based that need to shoot down something that would be shot by Kim Jong-un.
And why would we be so worried if that technology is out there?
Obviously, it's super worrying because even though you do blow this thing up, if it gets out of the atmosphere and then goes around space, comes back down and attacks, it's coming for some kind of land is target.
If you shoot it Down with a laser system.
You're going to seriously mess up the atmosphere.
You're going to create a massive EMP shockwave that's going to knock out satellite systems.
It's going to knock out ground-based systems.
Nuclear fallout will also drift to the Earth's, you know, all over the planet.
We're talking about...
This could be a serious problem.
So I had originally thought when I was...
Sorry.
No, go ahead, finish, finish, and then I'll tell you something.
I had originally thought that if, you know, we have great technology out there, the American military has, or the Defense Department has at its disposal, why are we so worried about, you know, rogue nations shooting these things off?
We should still be worried because if they deton above the planet, You know, you're still looking at radiation that is able to expand exponentially with a zero-gravity environment and could, like, surround the planet, it could come to Earth, and it could really hurt civilization here.
Okay, but I have to say that I highly recommend, you probably haven't seen it, Shadow Operations, our pilot for a TV show that never, you know, got shelved because it was so good, actually.
We had all of the most incredible witnesses on it and we co-produced it as well because we provided the witnesses, most of them, except for a few detractors.
And I have to say that in that documentary, you're going to see a weapon.
That a guy out in the Utah area near Dugway, and we actually shot the segment there on that piece of land where there's this weapon, which is behind a fence, so we can't actually show it, but there was a photograph, a wonderful photograph of it shooting up this incredible beam like you wouldn't believe.
Really?
Yeah, and I have also, I don't know if it's a particle beam weapon.
Okay, I don't remember what kind of weapon it is, but I got to tell you that there's so much about this.
It's also, you know, Valerie Uvarov, who told us about these installations on planet Earth.
That have been there for eons and even put there by alien races.
He's a Russian who was in charge of the Russian what you call weird desk for the KGB type of Russian.
I don't think they call themselves that.
I forget what they call themselves.
Anyway, you see my interview with him and he's talking about these installations that even have one in China.
There's one off the coast somewhere in Florida or off the coast of Florida.
There's one in Russia and they shoot off incoming Asteroids, etc., and destroy them before they get too close and will come through our atmosphere, etc.
So we're talking of the technology going back eons.
And this is according to Valery Uvaroff.
And he was revealing quite a bit on that interview with him many, many years ago.
Since then, they won't let me interview him.
But he has been in Touchback channel and said some nice things.
I appreciate your notion that the lasers might cause radiation.
Believe me, They created Fukushima.
They don't care about radiation.
They're doing it all the time.
It's not the lasers.
It's the nuclear bomb exploded.
All I'm saying is that radiation is not their problem.
They have created radiation and their nuclear power plants are leaking around the world.
This is documented by scientists.
Fukushima has basically burned through And is causing a huge problem.
It's, you know, and see my interviews with Richard Alan Miller to find out more about that, a physicist, etc, etc.
So stopping radiation is actually not their interest, strangely.
And that is because of certain alien races that don't mind that.
To say nothing of the fact that it also affects the human genome and creates what you call the X-Men.
Because if you get a child or a woman who's pregnant is exposed to radiation, what you get is a mutant or a mutation that can really basically create a new gifted human with new abilities, etc.
So they're always looking for that, just in case you're wondering.
Indigo children.
Yeah, so this is just something to be aware of.
So we've been going for a while, and I do want to look in the chat for any questions for you guys before we close down.
So anyone who wants to ask a question of these very talented filmmakers, and I just want to, again, say I highly recommend the documentary.
It's excellent, and it is a great thing to show friends and family who are skeptics That means the world.
That means the world.
You're an expert.
Excellent stuff.
Thank you.
Any questions from the chat before we close down this very, very interesting talk?
You know, can I take this moment and plug something?
Sure.
Go ahead.
Yeah, absolutely.
Please do.
It's related.
It's ET related.
About a year ago, and I think, Carrie, I don't know if I showed you this, but I think you'll really like it.
A year ago, I edited a video.
It's kind of a documentary.
It's 40 minutes long, so you can call it a documentary.
And it's my voiceover, and it's me just going through In my opinion, the best evidence for alien visitation, ET visitation.
It's got some humor in it.
It's not the most serious thing ever made, but I made it with the intention of trying to convince people, like trying to make some video that if you sit through this video, it doesn't matter if you're a skeptic, on the fence, don't believe it, If you sit through this video and you still don't believe it, I think it's very good.
It's very, very good.
Okay, well, you know what?
You should send me the link and I'll put it on your page and you should include it in your bio in future.
I know, right?
It's called The UFO Video Review of the Best ET Evidence.
You can just find it on YouTube.
But I think people will like it.
It's got a lot of testimony, but it's very condensed.
It's just like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Some of the funniest video game reviews I've ever seen.
That's irrelevant.
But...
Yeah, Carrie, I think you'll like it.
Yeah, that sounds like fun, and I'm happy to take a look at it.
Looking in the chat, someone wants to know if either of you guys have any thoughts on the Mandela effect.
That's a funny question.
I was just watching a video about that the other day.
You know, I watched a long video about that on YouTube that had a lot of different supposed examples, and some of them were just stupid.
I mean, some of them were just, you know...
First, it was Walmart.
Now it's Walmart with one L. I'm like, it was never Walmart.
Like, I don't know.
But then again, hey, I can't sit here and tell you that a parallel universe doesn't exist and we haven't been one.
How would I know?
You know what I mean?
So I don't know.
I think it's a really trippy, mind-bending, fun topic to think about.
Okay.
How about you, Darcy?
Darcy?
I mean, yeah, I know.
It could be that we've actually crossed over.
Yeah, I mean, it's interesting.
I don't know.
I don't have any footage of it or proof, but it's interesting.
I think that's the whole thing.
It's like, how would we know if If we had changed universes, unless we noticed something that's different.
Well, actually, there's some very good videos where they do document some excellent stuff.
And it does appear that we're changing timelines and that CERN is messing with that stuff.
And there are parallel universes, I'm here to say.
But nonetheless, don't take my word for it.
Check out and investigate on your own.
And one last question I'm seeing here, which is somebody wants to know if you guys have ever interviewed any whistleblowers.
I don't know.
There's kind of some whistleblowers in this documentary.
I don't know if you consider that.
I'd say that Jack Casher is a whistleblower.
And I have, in my interview with him, Which I can't include in the documentary.
He talks about his encounter with another operative who's one of his best friends who basically is a hired psychic or a telepath by the government who goes in,
gets basically hired to go to Certain government facilities and meet with extraterrestrials and communicate with them.
So Jack Kasher gave his testimony about this thing happening and how he knew that it was true, but I can't You really go into that.
He told me not to even include anything about it.
But maybe he will talk about that at one point.
Getting up there in age, and maybe he'll want to come forward with some more information about that.
Yeah, I mean, it depends on what you mean by whistleblower.
Like, I've had extensive conversations with Dr.
Roger Lear before he passed away.
He wasn't necessarily a whistleblower because he didn't work in the military, but he was a, you know, sir who removed over a dozen alien implants, supposedly, and That's true.
He certainly was very open about it.
He had a book called Alien in the Scalpel.
It was like a bestseller.
I mean, he was really open about it.
Actual whistleblowers?
No, I can't say that I have.
Okay.
Someone in the chat, I was just alerted, wanted to know the name of the documentary.
So here it is again.
It was on the screen earlier.
We even showed a little bit of footage from the trailer.
It's called Beyond the Spectrum.
The link is on projectcamelot.tv.
And so go there, see this article, see their bios, and see a little blurb about this documentary.
And there's actually several links at the top that you can get over to this Amazon page where you can watch the trailer for free and then watch the documentary.
I'm not sure how much it costs.
It's free if you have Amazon Prime.
If anybody in your family has Amazon Prime, it's free.
Or you can even just sign up for a 30-day trial and cancel it after.
So you don't have to worry about paying.
Absolutely.
But they've got some good stuff and it's kind of fun.
Um, so, so thank you so much guys.
Uh, you know, great stuff.
I really enjoyed the documentary.
I do recommend it and you know, we'll be happy.
In fact, we'll be happy to give you a free ad on Camelot, uh, on the right hand side of margin.
If you'd like to have an ad there just to get people over to your documentary for a while and, uh, you know, love to help you guys out.
Uh, you know, so it's, it's all good.
Um, So thanks again for being on the show.
And thank you for making this documentary.
And thanks for your other documentaries as well.
Let me say that those are actually equally good.
So I want to say that, you know, I really enjoyed our discussion about the book, Bigfoot and Yeti, whatever you want to call.
And that's a wonderful documentary as well.
I mean, you do good work.
There's no doubt.
And the Phil Schneider.
We talked about that.
And so much more is coming.
Great stuff.
So much more is coming.
Yeah, so I mean, we're going to stay in touch with you guys and stay tuned.
So thanks again for being on the show.
Any parting words a little from each of you?
So go ahead, Darcy.
Darcy, you want to go first?
Yeah, sure.
Thank you, everybody, for considering this phenomenon, for taking time to take a look at this stuff and listen to us today.
We are just trying to give back to the community, which we think is an important and relevant community in the world.
And know you're not crazy and know you're not alone.
And I think this is a pretty cool thing.
Yeah, and I can just kind of add to that.
Basically, to anyone who's watching this show, I know it's hard out there in 2017 to stay strong and stick to your guns about believing in this stuff, but it doesn't matter if you are the only person in the world who believes something.
It still could be true.
It doesn't matter if every other person on Earth doesn't believe it.
That doesn't mean that they're right.
Even if you're the only one, follow your gut.
Thank you.
Yeah, it's called witness testimony.
Absolutely.
And if you're a witness to something, you're the judge.
So I want to thank everyone for being here tonight and tomorrow.
Actually, in the daytime, I'm going to be interviewing Tony Gosselin.
He is a former BBC reporter who has gone out on his own and specializes in In the Bilderberg, revealing the whole Bilderberg meetings and stuff that they talk about there as much as he possibly can and investigates a lot of other historical topics and other things.
So that's tomorrow at 1 p.m.
Pacific time.
And then at 7pm, again, I'm going to have David Wynn-Miller.
He's going to be talking about a person who is sort of a sovereign and has gone down that road, who's thrown in prison for no reason.
And so we're going to talk about that tomorrow night.
And then on Friday, I have a guy named Harry Cooper, who specializes in, he's written a book called Hitler in Argentina, about Hitler being alive, obviously, after the war.
And we're going to talk about the movement from the Third Reich into the Fourth Reich, which is what we're living in.
Now.
So that'll wrap up the rest of the week and should be a lot of fun.
I like it.
That's on Friday at 1 p.m.
And all of this is on projectcamelot.tv.
You guys have any links?
You want to, you know, blog links, site links, anything like that?
Yeah.
You want to give out?
Just look up the...
Go to YouTube and type in the UFO video review of the best ET evidence.
You will not regret it.
Show it to your friends.
And let's get this stuff out there.
Enough being asleep.
Yeah, check out Major Lee.
Major Lee is...
No, no, no, no, no.
Yes, Major Lee on YouTube.
He's got himself up there.
And then also for myself, there are two other documentaries if you want to check them out.
You can go to Amazon Prime.
The unwanted Sasquatch is actually on iTunes, Vudu, Google Play, YouTube Red, and Amazon Prime.
The Underground's making it onto some more platforms.
I think it's on Google Play, YouTube Red, as well as Amazon Prime.
And this one is very recently launched.
It was just launched last week.
And thank you again, Kerry, for having us on.
We appreciate your support and we appreciate you.
We love you.
We love what you do.
Please keep doing it.
Thank you.
And The Underground, just so you know, everyone is the Phil Schneider documentary.
Highly recommended and worth seeing.
So thank you for that as well.
Okay, goodnight guys and take care.
Bye Carrie.
Talk to you soon.
Thank you.
Bye everyone.
Bye bye.
So that's our show for tonight.
And so thanks for watching.
And we'll be back, as I say, tomorrow.
And so have a great night.
And everyone take care.
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