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Nov. 15, 2017 - Project Camelot
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FOUND. HANGAR WHERE MOON LANDING WAS STAGED AND THE MAN WHO LIVED TO TELL THE TALE
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Anything else?
So it was all by itself, and they just let me go out there and work on the airplane.
Okay, can I ask you, excuse me, but can I ask you if I can record this?
Do you mind?
Oh, sure.
Okay, now, do you want your name to be on this testimony?
Fred is fine.
Okay, Fred.
And I also want to know if, are you...
Is this something that happened to you many years ago?
Well, it was before they landed on the moon.
Well, actually, when they landed on the moon is open to discussion.
But could you give me the approximate year that this happened to you?
Yeah.
They went to, in quotations, the moon.
Now, if they did, I walked on it.
Anyway...
If they did, I'm sorry.
If they did, you did what?
I'm sorry, I didn't understand that.
I walked on it.
You watched?
I walked inside.
Yeah, I walked where the astronauts were walking.
I see.
So this is about a fake moon landing type of thing?
Well, let me go on.
I got the airplane all fixed except for some little parts.
You know, a handful of parts.
And that's what caused the fire anyway.
The exhaust system came apart and I needed the bolts to bolt it back together.
So I got on the radio on the airplane and called Minneapolis and they said, go to the giant hangar.
There's a hangar that's a mile long.
It had eight bays, and we could put four airliners, five airliners in each bay.
That's how big it was.
We could put 40 airliners in that, like, DC-6s and whatever.
So I went to this hangar, and in the giant doors that they bring the aircraft in, they're small doors.
So I went to the first one, it was locked.
Second one was locked.
Third one was broken.
And I opened it, and bells went off, and I said, uh-oh, I shouldn't be in here.
But I had taken a few steps inside the building, and the entire hangar from one end to the other was filled with dirt.
The walls were painted like white mountains, and it was all black up above it.
So...
I walked in, I turned around, and as I did, there was what I called three white deep-sea diving suits.
I later found out they were space suits.
And this funny-looking contraption that I had never seen before, and there was cameras and lights and all the stuff, like a movie set.
So, I turned around, I yanked that door shut, and it wedged shut like it was locked.
And I took about two or three steps from the hangar when armed guards came at me, and, what are you doing here?
So I explained to them, that was my airplane, they told me to go to this giant hangar.
And they said, not this one, the other side of the field.
So they escorted me over, I got my parts, fixed the airplane, ran it up, gave it to the crew, and the crew flew it off, and I went home.
And didn't think much about it.
The security guard said to you...
Oh, the security guard said, did you get in?
And I said, no, all the doors are locked.
So they tried all the doors, all the doors were locked.
This was just after dark.
So they escorted me to the other hangar, and I left.
They landed on the moon, and I'm sitting there watching.
I said, the son of a gun!
That's what they were doing.
They were making this movie.
And so I started researching what they did.
And there were some other engineers that were interested in this also that I got connected with.
And we had 57 questions, and we took it to NASA and went up to Brian Welch, who was the spokesman for NASA at the time, and said, we have some questions we'd like to ask.
And he looked at them and said, these are so ridiculous, I'm not going to take time to answer one of them.
And we said...
We paid for this.
This is our tax money.
You have to answer our questions.
And he said, no, I don't.
We can get the air police and have you escorted off.
So we more or less gave up.
But I never did.
I've still been researching.
And I've got more than 57 questions I'd like to answer now.
I see.
Okay.
Can you again tell me what year this was?
It was about six months before the first face shot to the moon.
When Armstrong and the other guy went to the moon.
Okay, so I guess I can look that up.
So it's the first moon landing, is that it?
Yeah.
Also, I was audio...
The engineer for MUFON, several other organizations that put on seminars, and we had astronauts from all over.
I got to know Brian O'Leary, who was supposed to go to Mars, and I took a class that Edgar Mitchell was teaching.
He was the sixth man to step onto the moon.
And I said to him one day, it must be tough to live that lie.
And he got red in the face and he said, you're here to take my class, don't you ever mention the moon to me again.
But Brian O'Leary said, ah, they could have faked it.
Well, just so you know, my information is that they did both.
They actually made a fake situation and they also had a real one.
But at any rate, that's a very interesting story.
So I'm looking this up and it says on July 20th, 1969 is when they...
...appeared to have landed on the moon.
That's the Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, I guess, team.
And all the photos from that mission are of Buzz Aldrin, not one of Mitchell.
The other guy, Neil Armstrong.
Neil Armstrong took all the pictures.
The other guy didn't take any.
Oh, I see.
That's interesting.
Okay, it's called Apollo 11.
Yeah.
So, later on, I was doing...
I set up the projectors, the mics, and whatever they needed for the sound system for the seminar, and then I made the tape recordings of these lectures from the seminar, and we sold them.
And...
A guy came up to me and said, I'd like a tape that you just made.
So I gave him one.
And he said, instead of paying you, I'd like to trade you.
And I said, what's on your tape?
And he said, don't listen to it until you get home.
So when I got home, I taped it and listened to the tape.
And it was President Lyndon Johnson.
And you hear him hit the table with his hand.
He said, damn it!
I told you guys!
And they said, but sir, he says, don't you butt me.
You promised Kennedy you could get him a man on the moon, and you haven't done it.
Where are you?
And they said, sir, there's a Van Allen belt.
We can't get through it.
The guys will die if they go through it.
It's radioactive.
And if they get on the other side, this radioactivity from the sun will kill them.
There's no way we can do it.
And he said, you're going to do it.
You've got two years.
If you don't get me a man on the moon in two years, I'm closing NASA down.
You'll be fired.
You'll never work in the United States again.
And he slammed the door and walked out.
And so they hired Stan Krubeck, I believe it was, was the guy who Made the movie, and we've never gone.
So Sally Ride, who was the first female astronaut...
Stanley Kubrick.
Okay, sorry, Stanley Kubrick.
You're talking about Stanley Kubrick.
Yes, I believe that's the man who did the movie.
Right, okay.
Yes.
So, George Bush, the first George Bush, Pepe, he...
We called Sally Ride into his office and said, would you please come in and talk to me?
So she did, and he said, I'd like you to get a crew together, you know, knowledgeable people, and put your heads together and tell me how soon you could get me a man on the moon.
And she said, sir, That's a pretty tall order.
And he says, I know.
But he said, I want to know how soon we could do it, and if we could do it, and any idea of how expensive it would be.
So she came back and said, Sir, if you gave us an unlimited budget, we might be able to do it in 28 years.
Now, how did they do it in two years?
50 years ago or 40 years ago, and now it's going to take 28 years.
Okay, the story about George Bush, are you saying both these stories were on the tape the man gave you?
Yeah, and in my tape room, I've got a couple of thousand master tapes, and I've been searching for that one for a year now, and I can't find it.
The one from Lyndon Johnson.
Okay.
So was there anything else on that tape?
No.
Uh-uh.
It was just that little interview with him and a couple of guys from NASA. Uh-huh.
And the one and also the thing that you just told me about George Bush was on there as well.
Oh, no.
No, that's...
I had that tape long before George Bush was president.
Okay, but you just told me a story about George Bush, right?
Yeah, I don't have that on tape.
That's on the internet.
That's on the internet.
Okay.
Yeah, I got that off the internet.
I see.
Dolly Wright died now.
Uh-huh.
And then did you know her?
No, I never met her.
Okay.
Who did you work for?
I worked for several airlines over the time.
Okay.
Well, when you discovered the hangar, where was that and who were you working for at that time?
I think that was Republic Airlines.
Okay.
And later it was brought up by Northwest.
I see.
And then Northwest was brought up by Delta, so I'm retired from Delta Airlines.
Okay.
And you were a technician, right?
I was an aircraft mechanic inspector.
All right.
And the name of the base where you went to the hangar, what was the name of that place?
I don't know.
You don't know?
It was a secured air base.
A secured air base.
Well, what state was it in?
What state?
Michigan.
It was in Michigan.
In Michigan.
Is Michigan where the plane went down?
Yes.
So you went from how many miles away from where the plane went down in Michigan is this base?
You know, that was a long time ago.
I was Well, I mean, did it take you...
It took me several hours.
Several hours?
You know, like three hours or so?
Yeah.
Okay.
Did you drive there?
Yeah.
Okay.
And was that your last experience, was seeing that hangar and opening the door and seeing the dirt inside and all of that?
Did you have any other experiences during that time to do with the space program?
No.
Okay.
So you were an airline mechanic?
Yeah.
Inspector.
Okay.
I put a lot of stuff together.
I got a DVD of a little Italian guy that was a friend of mine.
And he went out to Cape Canaveral and he went through and measured the inside and said how impossible this would be.
And to carry the little vehicle that they had up on the moon, it wouldn't fit on a spacecraft.
And he has all this technical stuff on his DVD. There's a TV program on it where...
This one fellow who worked for, I forget the name of the place, but he was one of the technicians.
And then I got some stuff from Europe and put this all on the CD. I'd be glad to send you one.
Okay.
Oh, I see.
Well, I imagine most of this stuff is already out there, but you're welcome to send it to me if you like.
You know, my address is on my website under the contact about us page.
Sandy has your address.
Sandy can find it there.
It's very easy to find.
So...
So, well, thank you for the story.
It's a very interesting story.
And you don't mind if we publish this then?
No.
And you don't mind if we use your name, Fred?
No.
Okay.
And now, are you worried that you might get some visits from, you know, I don't know.
Everything that I... Everything I told you except that the hangars in Michigan is on the internet now.
Okay.
The guard did talk.
No, it wasn't the guard.
Oh, it was the guy who I told you, the little Italian fella.
Yeah.
He said, Fred, you better shut up.
He said, they're going to kill you one of these days.
I said, well, I'm 90 years old.
I've got cancer in my intestines and liver.
If they kill me, they'll be doing me a favor.
Alright.
Well, you know, they have cures for cancer right now, by the way.
Not for mine.
Sorry?
I have what's called carcinoid syndrome.
It starts in your intestines by the Appendix, and I've had it over 30 years.
I see.
Okay, well, it's pretty good that he loves that.
The doctor said I've been longer than anybody he knows of, and I'm not supposed to play.
Okay.
All right.
Well, that's good.
So, this little Italian guy you're talking about, does he want anyone to know who he is?
He made his own DVD. It's an hour-long DVD. I see.
And he went in and he measured the, I guess, I don't know if they called it the LEM or what they called it, but...
Yeah.
Yeah.
The Moonlander.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, he went in and he measured all this stuff and he said, you know, they couldn't do this.
And if you ever saw the clothes that they wore on this one from Europe, the...
The man who was supposed to be on the moon said, and you want me to change lenses?
And they said, yes.
So he changed lenses outside.
You can't change lenses on that camera very well outside, even without gloves on.
You know, some of the stuff they did is absolutely impossible.
They went out 138,000 miles.
At 67 miles, the sky turns black because there's no more oxygen.
So they're out 138,000 miles.
They turn the aircraft around the coast to the moon backwards.
And over this astronaut's shoulder, you can see blue sky.
There's no way.
They had to be in Earth orbit to get that.
So we got all these questions.
When the first man got off the spacecraft, who took the picture?
Sure.
One guy said to me, oh, they had an arm reach out with a camera that took it.
Well, the experts from Europe said, this is the focal length of this camera.
This is how far away they'd have to be, like 39 feet from the...
They had a 39-foot arm sticking out with a camera on it.
Right.
Now, I guess one of the reptilians that William Tompkins says they met on the moon must have taken the picture.
Well, that's very funny.
Yeah, that's good.
So, well, that's, yeah, that's very good.
There are tons of anomalies, and there are websites dedicated to all the anomalies, the shadows around the wrong places, etc., etc.
Yeah.
Well, do you have anything else you'd like to add to your story?
Yeah, being that you're looking at that, one of my, I was a state secretary, Section Director for MUFON up there in Northwest Florida.
And I interviewed this fellow.
He was home on vacation from school.
His father was John Price.
And he was a three-star admiral in charge of all of the aircraft during the Korean War.
So his photograph is in the Navy Air Museum in Pensacola.
He later became a four-star admiral.
So the kid said, I was home visiting my dad during summer vacation, and I was reading outside, and all of a sudden it got dark, and I looked up, and here's this gigantic object over my father's house.
I called my dad, and he came out and said, not another one.
So he called on the telephone to get a fighter to come over there.
So by the time the fighters got there, he's talking to the chairman, the Joint Chief of Staff in Washington, and the kid heard his dad say, and it's just like the one that said on our wingtip when we were going to Korea last month.
And after the situation was over, the son said, What is that, Dad?
And he said, I don't know.
I know we've got at least two of them, and they won't even let me look at the damn thing.
So I always thought that was a good...
But he wanted to get a copy of his dad's report that he sent to Washington, but we couldn't find it.
Okay, so he was saying the...
The flying saucer was one of ours?
Is that what he was saying?
No, no.
No, he said it was sitting over the Admiral's house.
I see.
So he wasn't saying that...
You said we have two of them.
What was he talking about when he said that?
Captured.
Or that had crashed.
Oh, I see.
Okay, very good.
Did he elaborate on those crashes?
He said, I know they got at least two of them and they won't even let me look at the damn thing.
Oh, I see.
And that's pretty much a direct quote from this fellow.
And you're talking about John D. Price, right?
He's an admiral in the Navy.
He was born in 1892.
He died in 1957.
That sounds right.
Okay, because they've got a page on Wikipedia on him and a photograph and so on.
And he was a four-star when he died.
All right, very good.
Oh, that's a good...
And his grandson...
Sorry?
His grandson lives in Tampa.
Okay, and was this his...
Is this the grandson's story that you're telling me?
No, it's the son's story.
The son's story.
But I haven't...
The way I got in touch with the dad, I know the son.
He's about 58, 59 years old now.
The grandson.
The grandson.
Okay.
That's interesting.
So do you know anybody else in the space program or any other stories about the space program you want to tell me?
Or have you seen any UFOs yourself?
If you were part of MUFON, you must have been motivated.
I flew a lot.
You know, if I flew, I always flew in a cockpit.
So I never saw anything I can't explain.
But the man who was the vice president of North Central Airlines was at my house one night.
And he said he was flying, you know, he was a light pilot before he became a Vice President.
And he was flying from Chicago to Milwaukee.
I'm sorry, Minneapolis.
Chicago to Minneapolis.
And the co-pilot said, damn!
And he looked, and something went by them on the right-hand side.
Wow.
Thank you.
Hello?
Are you still there?
Yes, we are.
He just got it too close to his cheek.
Something flew by on which side?
What was that?
Something flew past them and went right across where they were going to fly into.
And he said it was bigger than two city blocks.
They had a full passenger load and he said both of us got our hands on the controls because we thought we were going to hit a lot of turbulence because this gigantic thing went by us and it was out of sight in three seconds.
And he said never felt a thing.
Never felt any turbulence at all.
That's great.
So later on There was a man, and he flew from Atlanta to Miami to the Cayman Islands.
And he was flying a DC-9.
It's a two-engine airplane with the engines in the rear.
And the ground control from Jacksonville, he was pretty close to Jacksonville, Called him and said, do you see anything in the air?
We have some stuff in the air around you.
And he said, yeah, they're out to my lap.
So he went out and tried to edge over closer to get a better look.
And they moved and they told him, well, see if we can get closer.
So he did.
And they moved away and they said, you better get back in Because it's like a highway up there.
You stay in your space.
So he landed in Miami.
And they grounded the flight, canceled the flight to Cayman Islands.
And they took...
This guy's name was Rudy Mack.
And they grounded him and sent him to a psychiatrist because he reported a UFO. Oh, God.
Then he had to fly as co-pilot, and he knew that I was the state section director and that I was in MUFON, so he came to me and said, can you get me back into flying?
So I went to see the vice president, and I said, you saw one, and you know, you were quite concerned about it.
He said, yeah, but I didn't chase it out over the Atlantic Ocean.
So did you get the guy, you know, reinstated?
Yeah, he went to a psychiatrist and was grounded for six months and he knew his quote about it for six months and then he was back and scrapped him.
I see, and they mind-controlled him and he never spoke about it again, or what?
Well, nobody else on the airline spoke about one if they saw one.
Right.
We were flying out of...
Where's Disneyland?
Orlando.
Okay.
And we took off toward the south, made a U-turn heading back toward Atlanta, and we're still climbing out, and the pilot and I, and the co-pilot, were watching something burning coming into our vision, and An airplane that was about 40 miles ahead of us said, boy, that just about hit us.
And everybody agreed that it was space debris burning up because it burned up before it hit the ground.
And there's at least seven different airliners that saw it.
And we all reported on the radio.
And one guy said, are you reporting a UFO? And he said, no, no, not me!
Don't put that down that I reported about.
Because the airlines wouldn't put up with you saying this.
Right.
So did you ever, did anyone ever investigate the crash site of what was supposedly space debris?
No, it looked like it completely burned up, probably 10 15,000 feet above ground.
Because we were up to about 30,000 feet by then.
Okay.
And, alright, well, that's interesting.
So, any other sightings that, I mean, you know that there's a lot of debunking that's going on in MUFON as well, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, the guy who started MUFON retired, and there's a new guy in there.
I don't know him.
Oh, well, he works for the CIA. Okay, so you were state director in Florida.
What years was that?
No, no, no.
No, no, I was state section director.
Section director, okay.
Sorry.
And what year was that?
My friend was the southeastern director, Don Ware.
And then he had all these people in different areas, and they were The head of that area.
Do you know down where?
Yes, I do.
Now, do you know what year it was you're talking about, even the proximate years?
When was this?
Was it during the 60s or what?
Well, I would guess late 60s or early 70s.
Oh, thank you, Timmy.
No, wait.
Well, we were in a jet airplane by that time.
So I retired 32 years ago.
Yep, that's a long time ago.
Well, thank you for your stories.
Very interesting stuff.
I really appreciate you coming forward to share all of this.
Now, do you have any photographs?
No.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
And do you have any other stories you want to share with me?
One that I don't want you to repeat.
All right.
Well, we're recording.
Wait a minute because we're recording this for the public.
So if you don't want me to repeat it, then I have to stop my recording at this point.
Is that what you want me to do?
Yeah.
Yes, please.
Alright, so hold on.
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