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July 21, 2017 - Project Camelot

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JOHN URWIN: SUPERSOLDIER RE THE SIXTEEN BRITISH SPECIAL OPS GROUP

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	And I have interviewed John in the past, quite a long time ago, so those of you who will remember the 16 and John Erwin will probably be very happy to see him here again on the show.
	John, say hello to everyone.
	Hi everyone.
	Thanks for the invite, Kerry.
	Okay, no problem.
	It looks like your video is a bit frozen, but I think we'll just have to go with this.
	That's just the luck of the draw here with respect to going back and forth on Britain and so on.
	So what I'd like to do is give you your own introduction, tell people how you got started, and let's go down that road.
	Okay.
	I was born in England in 1938.
	I'm 79 years of age come this November.
	I was brought up in the back streets of Newcastle, Newcastle-Pontaine, that's the northeast of England, about 100 miles from the Scottish borders.
	As I said, I was brought up in the back streets of Newcastle.
	I have no education.
	How all this came about was In 1957, I got me calling up papers for the Armed Forces for two years of National Service.
	I left school when I was 14, started working on a farm, wanted to be a mechanic, so I left the farm and got a job as a mechanic.
	That didn't work out.
	Got me calling up papers for the Armed Forces.
	And my mum convinced us to go in the armed forces because it would be a chance to see the world.
	When I got my colonel papers and went for my medical and went to sign up for my two years, I wanted to be in the RIMI, that's Royal Mechanical Engineers.
	Unfortunately, I couldn't get in that and that had nothing to do with my background.
	It just so happens there were Short of people in working regiments, so I ended up in working regiments, something like that, the Remian, right on the Ordnance Corps, it was the pioneers.
	When I first started my training, it was in North Wales.
	All I wanted to do, because I wasn't trained to be a mechanic, I wasn't doing the things I wanted to do, I just wanted to get two years over with, to be quite honest.
	I didn't drink.
	I never smoked.
	I hadn't seen a TV before.
	I had no idea what was going on in the world.
	We couldn't afford newspapers.
	Again, I had no idea.
	I was totally oblivious to what was happening in the world.
	The first six weeks of training was in North Wales.
	Because I didn't drink and I didn't smoke, I didn't make that many friends.
	And I used to go down to the gym regular.
	I was a keep fit fanatic.
	So one night when I went down to the gym, when everybody was at the nappy, a guy had been watching me, apparently.
	And he confronted me and said, I can't remember the exact words, but he said something on the grounds that was I happy with what I was doing.
	And I said, no, I wasn't.
	I wanted to be a mechanic.
	And he said, I always wanted to do something exciting.
	He said, well, this could be your opportunity.
	Would you like to do something more exciting?
	And I said, yes.
	What would that be?
	He said, well, I can't tell you at the moment.
	That night, that night, I went back to the billet, sat down and thought about it.
	I had no idea who I was talking to other than I knew it was a sergeant.
	After that night I forgot all about it.
	I just thought it was someone, you know, just trying to be funny or whatever.
	A couple of weeks later there was a big scare in the Middle East, apparently.
	18,000 troops had to go out to the Middle East.
	This is late 57, and I was one of them.
	So it was massive, massive airlift to go out to the Middle East.
	I was supposed to go to Beirut.
	On the way, when we got in the planes at Gatwick, on the way there we had engine trouble.
	We might land at Malta.
	That's when things started to go wrong, but I was unaware of it.
	The things started to change and I was totally unaware of it.
	They put us on another plane and they said I was going to Cyprus instead.
	Well, that didn't ring any bells at that moment because, like I said, the army has a habit of changing their mind and sending troops to different places.
	So anyway, I just got on a plane and landed in Cyprus.
	I was in Cyprus for about two weeks.
	And at the weekends, we're allowed to go down on the beach.
	That was a place called Episcopi.
	I was sitting on the beach, lying on the beach, waiting for me two parts who were swimming.
	Because one rifle between the three of us, a case of protection against terrorists, local Iroka terrorists.
	When I was approached, a guy was well-spoken, obviously an officer of some sort, and again, I couldn't see him properly because of the sun.
	I was lying down, and he was leaning over us, and he said, Jody, can you remember when you were approached back in Blighty?
	I had to stop and think.
	He says, in the gym.
	I said, oh, yeah, yeah.
	What?
	You know, Yeah, what happened there?
	I said.
	He said, well, I'm the connection.
	Well, I couldn't remember whether this guy had said that to me, that I was going to actually be approached, you know.
	He said someone would see you later on, but I had no idea it was going to be in the Middle East.
	So I said then, he asked the same questions, would I like to go and do something different?
	Rather than what they wanted me to do, that was building camps and digging holes and what have you, trenches.
	And I said, of course, you know, anything's going to be better than this.
	He said, all right, leave that with us.
	He said, we know all about you.
	We know all about your past.
	I said, oh, why?
	He said, well, we'll tell you later.
	And then a couple of, two or three weeks went by.
	And by the way, I stammered him.
	I had a bad stammer.
	It was because me...
	We died.
	We used to bridge about quite a lot.
	And one morning, when we were on parade, I was called out to work in the officer's mess in the Rimi, in the Rimi depo, next door to Awakamba.
	And I thought, this cannot be the thing that we're talking about, this excitement, you know, this change of joy.
	I was in the officer's mess for about two or three weeks, and I had to stand at the head of the table where I read the menu off, and I stammered quite a lot.
	And for some reason, one of the officers sitting at the table, when the other officers were sort of checking the mickey because of the way I was talking, he sort of backed us up and said, Jordi, sing the damn thing.
	I said, well, I'd sing it.
	So I didn't actually sing it, but, you know, I sort of did it in such a way where it all sort of rhymed.
	And anyway, a few weeks later, I got rid of the stomach because of that.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah, I got rid of the stomach and the stomach went.
	And I thought, well, if this is the exciting job that we're talking about, you know, I thought, well, you know...
	It's not what I was expecting.
	In fact, I didn't know what I was expecting, to be quite honest.
	Suddenly, one morning when I went to the officer's mess, the sergeant says, beat it, Geordie.
	I said, what?
	He said, beat it, get back to camp.
	I said, well, what was the idea of training me to be a waiter?
	You know, if you're going to send us back, he said, look at it.
	Orders have been changed, go back.
	So I went back to camp.
	And there were fresh orders for us.
	I got orders saying that there was a truck.
	I had to go next door to pick up a truck.
	So they gave us the orders to go to the Royal Army Ordnance Depot to work there.
	So I sat in the truck with my rifle waiting for the driver.
	I was qualified to drive myself, by the way.
	And I sat there for quite a while, and then the sergeant came, being on the door, he says, what are you waiting for?
	I said, well, I'm waiting for the driver at the teatros to the Royal Army Ordering step-by, up and say, let me start.
	And he said, no, no, you're the driver.
	I said, well, look, I'm not supposed to move unless I've got an escort, you know, I always had to move around twos or threes.
	He said, no, no, that's the orders.
	You've got the orders in your hands so, you know, so move it.
	So I did.
	I drove halfway to Limassol and on the side of the road was a guy in a Jeep who flagged us down.
	I didn't want to stop because we're being warned that the terrorists did that sort of thing, pretend to be English and stopping our trucks and shooting when taking the trucks.
	So I drove past this guy, but when I was driving past him, I realized it was the same guy I met on the beach.
	So I stopped the truck, reversed back to him, and he told me to get in his Jeep.
	It was an American Jeep, by the way.
	The star on the bonnet was badly worn.
	You couldn't recognize it.
	And he said, jump in, Jodie, you're going with me.
	I said, okay.
	I said, what about the truck?
	He said, just leave it.
	I said, I can't do that.
	I'm responsible for it.
	No, he said, just leave it.
	I left the truck.
	We left the truck.
	And I jumped in the jeep, and away we went, to the front of Trudis Mountains.
	I was starting to get a bit worried here, because I had no idea really who these guys were, or who this guy was.
	And...
	We've been on right about, I don't know, half an hour or something, 20 minutes, something like that, driving through the Trudas Mountains.
	Then we came across what looked like a hangar, an aircraft hangar.
	It wasn't that big, but it was big enough to hold a couple of small aircraft, and it had a big concrete base just outside the main door, but that was all There was weeds going through the concrete and everything.
	It didn't look as if it had been used.
	In fact, the word building looked as if it was delinic, you know?
	And I was starting to get a bit worried here.
	So he took us into this, this hangar, this big steel hangar.
	And inside was three of the chaps who were practicing combat.
	And combat that I had never seen before.
	But then again, I hadn't seen much combat.
	I didn't know anything about martial arts or anything like that.
	So I wasn't quite sure what I was looking at.
	But what I was looking at looked rather interesting in the sense that it was different.
	I never saw anyone move the way they did.
	You know, there was no punching or kicking or nothing like that.
	And yet they could disarm each other quite easily.
	And I was rather impressed.
	I was introduced to them, so one was called Dynamo, the other one Chalky, and the other guy was called Spot, Spot on, because he was always so accurate.
	And the guy that took us there was called Ken.
	They took us into this office at the back end of this hangar, and it was falling a bit, literally.
	There were some small stairs leading up to this office.
	The office had broken windows and inside was just a small table with two or three chairs around it and in the corner was a big yawn, you know, a tea yawn and there were some packages there which had sandwiches and things like that.
	But on the way up to the office I saw what looked like turnips hanging from string, from the girders.
	And I couldn't understand what they were for.
	You know, I had no idea.
	I'm looking at them, so that's rather strange.
	You know, why would they have turnips hanging from string from the rafters?
	I sat in the office and he said, Jody, we've been watching you quite some time.
	We're going to tell you why.
	We said, we know you're doing drink, you're doing smoke, and you're qualified for what we want to put you through.
	Again, I'm not saying it exactly the way they said it.
	I can't remember, to be quite honest.
	I remember the main parts of it, you see.
	So they said, are you still prepared to go forward with this?
	I said, yeah, yeah, of course I am.
	I said, I'm interested in that combat.
	When am I going to learn it?
	Will I be learning it?
	They said, well, that's what I can call the machine.
	This is on the machine, right.
	As I was sitting there in the port as I could see out, I heard a swishing noise.
	It was very hard to describe.
	Just a swishing noise, like someone with a wire spinning the wire around.
	That type of swishing noise.
	And then I heard the slamming noise.
	I stood up for a second.
	To look out the window, which was only more than two feet away, through these broken windows, into the hangar itself where these men were training.
	The turnips were, what was left of the turnips, there was very, very little left of the turnips, and the strings were swinging about.
	But I couldn't see any weapons they had used.
	They were standing there, and they had nothing in their hands.
	And he said, Jody, sit down.
	And I said, well, I want to know what happened there.
	He said, well, forget about it.
	You'll know all about it very soon.
	So he said, first of all, let's ask a few more questions.
	And he says, I want you to have a look at these.
	And then he started showing me photographs of old people, people that were killed during the war, people in bits, you know, literally people who had been shot, people who died of starvation.
	Disabled people.
	And I thought, you know, what the hell's going on here?
	So he was really pounding this stuff into this and he's keep on talking about life and how short it was.
	And he kept on and on showing me these different photographs of people being, you know, people dying, disabled.
	And he kept on talking about Life is very short.
	And life's not worth living, is it?
	And he's kept on spinning this coin.
	This wasn't any form of hypnosis.
	I'll prove this later on.
	There was one point where he actually put his finger on the top of the coin when he was spinning it.
	And this table was made of like planks of wood, so it was rough, it wasn't smooth.
	But this coin It spun very, very quickly and he could actually put his finger on the top and then he would grab the coin.
	I couldn't understand how it was spinning so fast and how could he put his finger on the top without stopping it very, very quickly, the second he touched it, but it didn't.
	So I looked at that and he kept on picking it up and spinning it about and things like that and he kept on showing his pictures.
	After quite a few hours later on in my day, I was starting to fall asleep.
	He kept on and on showing me more and more photographs of things that happened during the war.
	Then he put his hand underneath the table, which I believe was a drawer or a cupboard of some sort.
	He pulled out a service revolver and he put the revolver in front of us.
	I looked at the revolver, and I was having difficulty seeing it, to be quite honest, because I was still a bit drowsy.
	And he says, again, life just isn't worth living, is it?
	And he could convince me that I was going to get ruled out, things were going to go wrong with this, and then I was going to die.
	And he says, What do you think of that?
	And I sat for a while and I said, yeah, I think you're right.
	It is a pointless exercise, isn't it?
	I said, what's, you know, I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow.
	And I know for a fact I'm definitely going to die.
	And I picked the gun up and I was going to shoot myself with it.
	My hand was shaking.
	I was that tired and very weak.
	This thing felt like a ton of bricks when I tried to pick it up.
	I got it to my head.
	I was trying to pull the trigger.
	And he stopped it.
	He put it down.
	He says, what the hell are you doing, Jordy?
	I said, well, I'm trying to do what you...
	You just convinced me that life's not worth living.
	So you give us this revolver.
	And I want to end it all because I can't see the point in living anymore.
	He said, okay.
	He says, have a cup of tea.
	So we got the tea out and I'm having a cup of tea.
	And he says, he said, you understood that you did boxing and things like that?
	I said, yeah, I like gymnastics.
	And he says, you want to learn the machine?
	Yeah.
	I said, yeah, yeah, I do.
	I said, I haven't seen much of it, but what I have saw, I'm very, very interested.
	He said, okay, we're going to go through a few more questions and we'll see what we can do.
	I said, okay, but I was still so tired.
	I cannot do this later.
	No, no, no.
	He said, we've got to do it now.
	He says, but we want you to wear this.
	We want you to put this on your head.
	Well, we'll put it on your head.
	What it looked like was four bits of wire.
	Little round things on the end of the wire.
	But that's all I was to it.
	There was something in the center that joined these wires together.
	He placed it on my head like a heart.
	It was two on the front of my head, which was each side of my forehead and two at the back.
	And I believe there was another one.
	And there was one in the centre of my head on the top.
	He brought out what looked like a pen.
	It just looked like an ordinary pen.
	And he was playing around with it.
	And I heard a high-pitched whistling noise.
	That noise got louder to the point where I was wanting to put my hands on the Over my ears and he wouldn't allow it.
	I had my hands on the table and I didn't have to keep them there.
	He then put his hands on top of my hands and this pen was lying there.
	Then he says, keep still now.
	Then he picked the pen up again and started to either twist it or push it.
	I don't know.
	That high pitched whistling light started to die down.
	It seemed to go off.
	And then what appeared to be no more than a few minutes, I thought I was falling asleep.
	And he shook us and he said, Jody, Jody, are you there, Jody?
	I said, yeah, yeah, of course I am.
	Yeah, well, what's happening?
	I said, And then they offered me more tea and some sandwiches.
	And just prior to that, I said, I feel a lot better here for some reason.
	I said, when am I going to learn this machine?
	He said, you've already learnt it.
	So I started laughing.
	I said, what do you mean I've already learnt it?
	I've only been here a day.
	He said, no you haven't.
	Have a look at your arms.
	I had scratch marks on my arms.
	I also had a couple of teeth slightly loose at the back of my mouth.
	And I had blood on my lips.
	I didn't know that until I put my hands on my mouth and saw the blood on my fingers.
	I was really worried at that stage.
	And I said, what's happening here?
	How am I going to learn this combat, this machine?
	He says, you already know it.
	And I said, how?
	How do I know it?
	He says, well, you've been here for three days.
	Well, I couldn't believe that.
	I couldn't actually believe it.
	I stood up, walked around, sat down, had another cup of tea, trying to take it all in.
	He said, let's sit and explain it to you.
	Then he started mentioning the conscious brain and the subconscious brain.
	He says, ever saw sleepwalkers?
	He said, well, I haven't actually seen them, but I know of people that sleepwalk.
	He says, yeah, well, we've done something like that to you.
	He says, what we've done is we've switched off your subconscious brain, your conscious brain, and your subconscious brain has been doing all the work for you.
	I said, well, I had no idea what he was talking about, but I hadn't seen anything like that before.
	The only things I ever saw was the cinemas at the weekend.
	I just saw ordinary films.
	I never saw anything.
	There was no really fantastic films in those days.
	It was just all black and white films.
	So I had no idea really what he was talking about.
	He said, okay.
	When he mentioned his subconscious brain, he said, that's like a tape recorder, if you like.
	And I didn't even know what a tape recorder was.
	I had no idea.
	He said, well, just think.
	It records everything that you do from the day you were born the second you opened your eyes.
	He said, so whatever your eyes, your conscious brain were looking at, it transferred the messages to your subconscious brain.
	It stores that information for when you need it.
	Some of those words.
	He said, so we've implanted the machine.
	He says, now we're going to take you downstairs and we're going to prove it to you.
	He says, but the point is your conscious brain is going to get a shock.
	In other words, you are going to get a shock.
	He says, because The subconscious brain knows nothing about it.
	So we went downstairs and saw these three chaps, and they picked up various weapons, guns, and even one had a machete.
	He actually came for us with the machete.
	I stopped it and took it off.
	It was not a problem.
	They put us through various tests like that with knives and guns and that went on for quite some time and I kept disarming them.
	I just stood there in amazement.
	I had to sit down.
	All I drank, I still do, even today.
	I only drink tea.
	I sat there.
	I had another sandwich and I was getting over the shock.
	I said, how on earth could I do that?
	He said, well, that's just the first stage.
	So I'm missing quite a bit out here, Kerry.
	Right.
	I'm jumping ahead here.
	But can I ask you, at this point, at what point did you think that he might have been from off-planet?
	Is this something that you figured out much later, or is this something that crossed the line?
	I've never actually said he was off-planet.
	What I said was, the words I used at the time was, he had...
	Rather large eyes and long fingers.
	He was quite different from my other three teammates.
	And he could do things which were quite like tricks, if you like.
	Magic tricks, if you like.
	You know, deception.
	And he used to do this all the time.
	I found out later on, quite months and months later, how the coin was spinning.
	I thought it was okay then.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what I thought it was going to be quite honest with you.
	I just couldn't understand how that damn coin spun where he put his finger on top of it.
	I realized then that one of my teammates, they used to laugh at us for months and they said, we'll have to tell him.
	He says he has a magnet ring.
	And I noticed he had a big ring on his finger and something to do with the coin.
	It was like two magnets reacting with each other, and that's why it was spinning.
	So I still don't know how that worked, but apparently that's why it was spinning.
	Anyway, the first test I went through, which was them planting the machine into my subconscious brain, that was the first test.
	Now I was totally unaware that it was going to go any further, you see?
	In fact, I didn't even know that was going to take place.
	They told me that if they were showing me pictures of people who were with them, who worked with them, who had been put through this second test,
	this second test, and where the soul leaves the body where it doesn't actually leave the body it's like um it's like um how can i explain it as though lightning was leaving the body like a stream of light even coming from the body but it doesn't actually leave the body it's still attached to the body and they were showing pictures of that if um these people these men who uh went through a similar test to where i was going to go
	to But one of them actually burst into flames.
	I have seen pictures of that over the last few years where bodies have burst into flames.
	They were saying the body was contaminated.
	That's why that took place.
	Somewhere he said they had been drinking or smoking or something of that nature and that's why When they put these people through a test, the first test was okay, but somewhere along the line they had went back to their normal camps, and they drank or something, or they had taken something that would contaminate the brain, apparently.
	So when they put these people through the test, one guy so left the body, left it all together.
	So his body was sitting on a chair, and he was breathing, He was brain dead.
	The other guy burst into flames and just parts of his body was left and most of his clothes were left lying there.
	And these were pictures or so.
	And another guy just had a heart attack, I believe, and died.
	He said, so we want you to go through this.
	We want you to do it.
	We want you to go through this, but this was a long time ago, and we've made sure that your DNA matched what they wanted.
	I didn't understand what it meant by DNA. I had no idea what the hell he was talking about.
	And he says, your body is not contaminated.
	We've checked.
	And they had taken a blood sample from us.
	And they said that I was going to be okay.
	So did I want to go any further?
	I said, well, what's the connection with it?
	I mean, why do you want me to go through this?
	He said, well, you can call it a fear of elimination, if you like.
	It's not actually a fear of elimination.
	It's learning how to control your fears.
	Because they said that fear was the stumbling block in combat.
	It made you do things that you wouldn't normally do or get something serious.
	You'd have serious problems if you suffer from fear.
	You couldn't control it, you see.
	And I said, oh, well, that's all that's about.
	Yeah, okay.
	So the same procedure took place.
	I put this thing back in my head.
	No, there was no wires coming from this.
	There was no electricity supply in the building.
	So it just basically looked like wires on my head.
	And it wasn't attached to anything.
	And then he brought that pen out again.
	But this time I took more particular notice, you know, after a few days, a week or so.
	And I watched him.
	He was screwing the pen in.
	And as he screwed the pen in, the noise started again.
	This high-pitched whistling noise.
	And then, again, I don't remember.
	I don't remember what happened.
	When I woke up, he says, right, are you ready for the cinema?
	I said, what do you mean what happened?
	I said, what happened?
	You did something, but what happened?
	He said, well, you're going to find out.
	I said, okay.
	How am I going to find out?
	He says, well, we're going to put this thing back in your head again, but it's going to be different this time.
	I said, all right, okay.
	So he put it back on, and I sort of fell asleep, if you like.
	I couldn't see him.
	I was struggling to see him, and my eyes went blank.
	But I could see all these pictures.
	And what I saw...
	This is where it's going to go crazy.
	At first I saw them.
	I saw me sitting at the table with...
	My team around us, beside us, and they were drinking tea and looking at me, and I could see them from above the building.
	You see, I was sort of looking down, if you like.
	Then I ended up in what appeared to be another planet, if you like.
	I could see...
	I could see...
	People that looked like cavemen.
	I could hear weird noises.
	The whole atmosphere, I could sense the atmosphere.
	I could hear weird birds squealing.
	And I could see people that were more or less like cavemen sitting around and I was one of them.
	But it was so difficult to explain.
	That lasted for a few minutes.
	And then I was back somewhere else.
	How that came about, I have no idea.
	I was in another dimension where I could say something like the 1920s or or later than that I could see people struggling with vehicles and so I was looking at the past of our past but it was different it was different in the sense that it wasn't the same the buildings were different the
	people were the same and and The more I looked around, I felt as though I was looking through someone else's eyes.
	That's how it felt.
	Because it would keep switching off and coming back on again.
	And the more I tried to concentrate on taking what I was seeing in, it started to go hazy.
	Then it went off.
	And then It would start again.
	And I was in another place where they had fancy cars and flying machines and things of that nature.
	And I couldn't understand because, like you say, I hadn't seen anything like that before other than what I'd seen on the cinema.
	But this was more advanced, more in the future.
	In other words, it was very hard for me to describe because I hadn't seen anything like it before.
	There was huge, tall buildings and the transport was really unusual.
	So, that's what I was looking at through my subconscious brain.
	They just made me see it again through my subconscious brain.
	So, my conscious brain was switched off so I could see it, but it felt as though it was real.
	And he said, when the work is up again, and I said, how did you feel?
	I said, well, it's very hard to describe.
	I felt as though I was in a different world.
	He said, well, you were.
	I said, well, how come?
	He said, well, it's your energy when it leaves the body.
	Picks up with that energy that's out there, and you actually end up in someone else's body.
	And you're looking through their eyes.
	Well, that was...
	You know, that just blew my mind.
	I just couldn't believe that at all.
	It took us away for it to sink in because a few weeks later, it was keep happening to this at night.
	I was seeing it again and it was so real.
	It was just incredible.
	And I asked, well, how come I could see, how come I could see me sitting in the chair here?
	He said, well, that happens to people when, if they're dying, He says, what you were going through, we call it DEFCON, but we're in control of it.
	We stop the energy, your solar energy, from leaving the body.
	I didn't go into that too much because I wouldn't be able to understand it.
	I was going to ask him, well, how, but I did ask later on, but, you know, I just couldn't take it on board, to be quite honest with you.
	But John, can I ask you if you were sure that you were seeing other people, you know, through other people's eyes or was this you in the future?
	No, no.
	I was just saying through other people's eyes because apparently it happens to people now.
	It happens to people when, you know, when they say you've got a twin personality or something like that.
	It's like the Jekyll and Hyde thing.
	Do you understand?
	Well yes, but a Jekyll and Hyde personality is not another person.
	It's you.
	Yeah, I know it is, yeah.
	But it's very similar to life.
	Apparently.
	So isn't it possible that you were looking at past lives and future lives?
	Yeah, it's possible.
	Okay.
	It's possible.
	All I know is that when I was looking down, he says you weren't looking down at all, You're looking through your energy.
	The energy was looking down and the energy was picking up the picture of looking down and passing it back into your subconscious brain.
	So when we put you through this process again, so you could see it, it looked as if you were looking down.
	You were actually looking down.
	The energy was acting like a periscope.
	And it was reflecting the pictures back into your subconscious brain from above you.
	Right.
	And they said, people who have near-death experiences, it's the same sort of thing.
	It's a similar sort of thing.
	And I said, all right.
	Because, like I said, I only spent five years at school.
	I had no idea, really, what was actually going on.
	All I knew that after that day, I had a combat that was unique.
	As I know now, at the time, I didn't.
	I didn't compare it with.
	I was trained to kill.
	I was taken on various ops throughout the Middle East, Lebanon, in a place called Jaraba.
	That was my last one.
	Jaraba was not far from the foot of Mount Hermon.
	It's where we did a big raid there.
	All of us, when I say all of us, there was 12 of us.
	The others were acting as drivers and pick them up and drop them off and things like that.
	And we raided the camp out there.
	It was a compound actually.
	We killed an awful lot of people.
	And the main object, which I only found out that day, was to pick two tablets up, which is seen on the back of the book.
	I had no idea.
	Really, I didn't.
	Until we got these two tablets.
	I got back over the River Jordan, which was at the time when the mountains in Syria were starting to melt.
	The river was really powerful, but with the techniques we've got and the equipment, and when I say equipment, I don't mean we didn't have inflated bugs, anything like that.
	We just had a special technique for getting ropes and lanes across the other side of the river.
	Where we could get across without touching the river.
	Our SES here, our Special Forces, have seen me do that.
	They've seen the combat, and I was trying to get credibility.
	That's why I entertained them.
	I was down at the Hereford's, down hereford, at their camp, and I'm afraid I insulted all our instructors.
	I better not mention his name.
	He stopped me demonstrating because he didn't want all the SS to see what I could do.
	He then came up to Newcastle trying to learn it off me.
	He wanted me to stay in the contract.
	I've got the contract, but I didn't sign it.
	I just wanted credibility.
	Because of my background and the education.
	John, I'm sorry.
	It's just that you skipped ahead kind of rapidly there.
	And so what you were trying to tell us about was you went on an operation.
	I mean, because you did skip ahead.
	Once you learn this technique, And you became aware that you had this technique and you also, it would seem, were shown your past and future lives.
	Do you know why they did that?
	Why did they show you that?
	Does it help you in your work or what was the purpose?
	Do you know?
	Well, it was...
	Let's explain.
	It wasn't just that, the show is.
	The show is exactly what took place.
	About two and a half thousand years ago.
	I don't want to go into that too much.
	I don't want people to know about it until I'm trying to get the resources together to make a film, a documentary film on the whole thing, all about space and All the rubbish that will tell us about space.
	Okay, but I still want to know, even if you don't share what they showed you, I still want to know why they showed you it.
	Okay.
	Because at the time, we were eliminating various figures out in the Middle East and Lebanon.
	These were scientists who were involved in DNA switching.
	I have to be careful what I say here.
	We eliminated these people because they intend to take over, if you like, which they are at this very moment.
	So you're trying to say you weren't successful?
	Well, we were successful in the operations we did, but we slowed them up.
	By getting two of these tablets, there are apparently six of them.
	All the information on these tablets, you can only get a certain amount of them, unless you've got the six of them together.
	But at that time, I don't think it was possible.
	With my experience at the time, I don't think it was impossible to get that information off these tablets because We didn't have the technology as we have now, because the technology we've got now, I believe, came from these tablets, because what was on these tablets were advanced technology, energy weapons, which I found out just before I left here, before I came out the army, that's what were on these tablets.
	And by requiring two of them, prevented them from getting too far advanced.
	Okay, but...
	It took them a long time.
	It took them a long time just to pick up a small amount of information.
	And that small amount of information, I believe, we're using it right now, this very minute.
	Okay, but I still want to know why they showed you, you know, things.
	They kind of...
	Seems like they time-traveled you to some degree.
	So why would they do that?
	How does that relate to everything that you've done after that?
	It doesn't seem to connect.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Okay.
	Yeah, I understand.
	The idea was merely...
	It was fear control.
	It was the ability to...
	To adapt to whatever was taking place very, very quickly, I found I would do things.
	By going through that, I found that whatever I touched in the combat skills or infiltration and elimination, I could do so easily.
	It was incredible.
	But also, they wanted me to be like, how can I put it?
	An information carrier.
	There was quite a few of us with the same information.
	This information was to come out like it is now.
	Try and get the information out.
	You see, all this stuff we're not meant to know.
	We're never meant to know anything.
	The object, the exercise, is when we're born to build and experience life.
	If you know what life is, and you know what you're going to experience, You know, life without, you know, it's, how can I explain it?
	A life without want, a life without need, would be the end of humanity.
	And that's what you don't want to know.
	You don't want to know exactly.
	I mean, you do want to know.
	You want to know what happens when you die.
	You want to know what happens when you want to die.
	You want to know what's going to happen tomorrow.
	Well, really, you don't.
	Because if you do, you'll end up just like rich people who's got everything.
	And tomorrow, there's no tomorrow problem.
	There's nowhere to go.
	Life is worthless.
	Okay, I appreciate that.
	But I want to say that obviously in giving you this...
	Conscious exercise to where you remembered this stuff.
	And I assume you remembered this back then as well.
	You would go through these experiences and then you would have the memories of them?
	Or is this something you recovered over time after you left the service?
	When I left the service, I was still...
	The recordings or wherever I picked up then, I was still seeing the matter of it.
	The idea was for me to have all this information, to be able to pass it on in the near future, to try and help prevent what's taking place today.
	But you see, because of my background, I have no education.
	I have no letters before my name or after my name.
	I probably will have that for this program.
	The object, the exercise, was I had to go out there and get some credibility.
	Because nobody takes any notice.
	Words are cheap.
	You've got to prove these damn things.
	I mean, there's millions of YouTube films out there, videos, and they all spout on about things, but none of it can be proven.
	You've got to prove these things.
	You've got to bring up enough evidence to prove it.
	We're not going to do that by just people interviewing me.
	We'll have to document this, what I know.
	We have to put it together and prove it.
	Bring up evidence.
	How are you going to prove it?
	How?
	Quite easy with the evidence I've got.
	Makes everything come together.
	What evidence are you talking about?
	You're talking about something that happened in the mind.
	In theory.
	So what evidence?
	What evidence?
	You have physical evidence?
	Are you talking about physical evidence?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	The idea is to prove, without a shadow of a doubt, putting all the evidence together, where it cannot be denied, you see?
	But if you're saying that, whatever we think can be put there or changed, but we may as well not talk about anything, because You can't trust yourself anymore.
	Nobody out there.
	I'm just saying it's not making sense because are you saying you have physical evidence?
	In other words, how are you going to prove it?
	Are you saying you're going to tell people what's going to happen in the future and then it's going to happen?
	Is that what you're talking about?
	What are you talking about?
	That's nonsense.
	You can't do that.
	You can't see it in the future.
	I don't care what anyone sees.
	You can't see it in the future.
	What I was looking at, I was looking at I believe, what they told me, that when I went through that, I was saying, you could say life on other planets that were going through the various stages of life forms from the beginning to other planets that were far advanced than that, to another planet that was far advanced than that.
	Our time travels with us.
	You can't go to the past.
	You can't go to the future.
	Time is now.
	Okay, but what are you talking about proving?
	How are you intending to prove?
	The idea is to take the evidence I've got.
	What evidence?
	I mean, is it like rocks or, you know, pictures?
	No, it isn't rocks.
	Is it tangible evidence?
	Yeah, you could say tangible.
	But it's also, we can get the stories that's out there now You know, from the last two and a half thousand years about Jesus, if you like, what really happened there.
	And we can put it together so it can't be denied.
	There's evidence that makes it all linked together.
	You know, it's taken all the stories that's in between.
	You see that, you know, all the lies were told about what actually took place.
	I understand.
	The idea is just it's like in court.
	You get your witnesses, you get your evidence together, you put it together so...
	To the point where it can't be denied.
	Okay.
	Are you saying that you're going to go to certain places and gather the evidence?
	You're going to show people?
	That's right.
	That's part of it.
	It's not necessarily something you're holding in your hand.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah.
	At this moment in time, yes.
	Okay.
	But you think that you're going to do this eventually in this life?
	I hope so.
	I'm 79 years of age.
	I haven't got much time.
	No, you don't.
	I've been trying for the last 60 years to try and get people to understand exactly what's going on in the world.
	But that's very, very difficult.
	And especially if you look at the information that's out, there's a huge barrel of lies and deception.
	Even if you've got the truth and you put it in there, the chances are you're not going to find it.
	One, you don't even know what the truth is, so you don't know what it is you're looking for.
	But there's a big barrel of lies and deception out there, and we'll have to square that up somehow.
	We'll have to get the evidence out.
	We'll have to get the evidence and put it together to prove people, you know, once and for all, what's actually taking place here.
	You know, you've got to get rid of all these flat earth people and all this other nonsense.
	I was shown in detail how the planets operate.
	I was shown how gravity operates.
	And it's nothing what people think.
	Okay, now wait, wait, wait.
	I need to get the materials together to prove that.
	Okay, but look, you're 79 years old, as you said.
	By the way, you look great for your age as well.
	But the thing is that you haven't done it so far, and you say you're going to gather this evidence.
	Well, I've been locked in everything I've did so far.
	All right.
	The first book, the publishers took it on.
	And I had it for eight years and told me they couldn't sell it because it didn't have any evidence.
	So in the meantime, I had, like I say, the special forces coming up to see us.
	So I've got combat skills and other skills that they've never even seen before.
	I know that.
	And I've got that as evidence.
	So it backs up.
	What I've been seeing.
	You know, I can't just learn this in the backyard.
	Then the Egyptians, if you notice in the book, the Egyptians sent for us the special forces in Nassau City.
	They found bodies on the Nile with their fingers missing, where I see it in the book.
	They found them, and they invited us over there.
	I've got pictures of me over there with the special forces in Nassau City, the three sevens.
	That's what they call our The Special Forces.
	And I've got a scroll of them and I got a medal of them saying I was the best counterterrorist expert in the world.
	All right.
	I know, but you know what?
	First of all, how many people do you think beyond the 16 that you were a part of?
	Because this was many years ago.
	This was like the 1960s and 70s.
	Yeah, it was near 57, yeah.
	Okay.
	So do you think that they trained a lot more people out in their sector?
	In Britain?
	Well, no, I don't think so.
	I think that was...
	I mean, there could be more than 16 of us.
	But even so, they are five and six years older than me.
	Yeah, but why...
	No, it doesn't...
	Okay, now this doesn't make sense either.
	Why would they stop training you?
	Why would they stop training people?
	Why would they only choose 16 people who are going to die in the future?
	Well, the exercise really was to retrieve out in the Middle East These tablets.
	Okay, but did you get all six?
	I know, but you didn't get all six.
	Isn't that correct?
	You did not get all six.
	Oh, no, no.
	No, we only got two of these tablets.
	But the other six made the other six virtually obsolete because you need the six together.
	They locked each other.
	So they don't have it.
	You know, doesn't it make logical sense, John, that they would have gone and trained some more people to look for those other tablets?
	They would be stupid not to, wouldn't they?
	Well, the other tablets, they did.
	We searched everywhere for them.
	No, I don't mean you.
	I don't mean you.
	I'm talking about logically.
	Part of the 16, part of the 16, 8 of the 16, Well, intelligence.
	They were in different countries.
	I never saw them.
	I only saw them once.
	That was on Operation Jarabah.
	Jarabah does not exist anymore.
	But if you look at the old maps, you'll find it's still there.
	It's on the maps.
	But the Israelis wiped it out completely.
	And it was at the foot of Mount Hermon, where the United Nations are on the top there, on the top of Mount Hermon.
	They're there in vast numbers, and you can ask yourself, what are they doing here?
	You know, why are they in Syria?
	They're there now, in the thousands.
	So again, the advanced technology we've got now, I believe came from some of those tablets.
	I'm asking you logically.
	Forget, besides the 16 that you're a part of, you must accept the possibility that they would train other soldiers in this.
	No, you can't do that.
	Because they wouldn't have the qualifications, they wouldn't have the physical ability to do it.
	95% of the armed forces drink.
	Okay, but aside from... I was one in a million.
	And I only got picked because I was a keep-picked addict.
	I never drank in my life.
	I've never smoked in my life.
	To get someone like that out with the British Armed Forces, it's just about impossible.
	Okay, well, I appreciate your emphasis on drinking, but I have to say that what they're really after was a certain combination of DNA that has nothing to do with alcohol.
	So, look, what about the guy who trained you?
	Do you think this guy disappeared?
	Do you think he's still working with them?
	I have no idea.
	All right, you have no idea, but what do you think?
	What's logical?
	If he trained you, he's going to train others.
	Doesn't that make sense?
	Yeah, more than likely.
	All right.
	I don't know what's taking place out there now.
	I know you don't.
	I know that.
	Okay, let me ask you this.
	Do you know about remote viewing?
	Have you ever tried to do it?
	I was told about that that was an impossibility.
	Why was it an impossibility?
	Because it is.
	It's just an impossibility.
	The human body is not capable of doing it.
	It's just like the human body is not capable of going into space.
	It just can't do it.
	Now I can prove it.
	Okay.
	So all this rubbish about going into space and flying to the moon and all that is absolute nonsense.
	But that's the thing I want to prove, and I will prove it.
	But the human body is, like I said, it's a biologic and chemical machine.
	It was built and designed to live on this planet in these conditions.
	The second you go in an aircraft at 35,000 feet, you've got to pressurize the carbon immediately, otherwise your body will explode.
	Okay, but...
	Besides that, your body has 200 volts of electricity in the body.
	They can only get that through their energy that surrounds us.
	I appreciate that.
	But John, let me ask you this.
	If you were able to go, in your mind, with this guy's help, I assume, to all these other places and times...
	It's not through just my help.
	It's through help.
	It's through possibly the equipment I was wearing.
	All right.
	Whatever, however that is...
	Then that was way back then.
	Don't you think that they would have done more than that since then?
	Because remote viewing is very similar to that.
	Perhaps you're not familiar with the evidence that proves that the military has been using remote viewing.
	Well, I've never come across it.
	Let's put it that way.
	All right.
	You haven't, but I have.
	And I can tell you for a fact I've even done it myself.
	And it works.
	And you can, yes, you can definitely do it.
	And it's very similar to what you were shown when you left your body, more or less, and went and looked at other times and other places and so on.
	This is a form of remote viewing.
	I see.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So, okay.
	So let's move on.
	So at this point, you learned your technique.
	Then you went on how many operations using this technique?
	Four.
	Approximately four.
	I went to Egypt, to Cairo.
	Yeah, we went to Cairo.
	The Russians were there at the time.
	And we went to a compound in Cairo itself, where this archaeologist was in the compound, on the second floor of this compound, and he had documents.
	I was told that he had documents that they needed, and that's what we're going for.
	But I was told, like I said, near the end of the service, I was told I wasn't there really for that reason.
	I was there looking for these tablets as well as other documents and other things without evidence, without material, apparently.
	Okay, do you know why Egypt?
	Do you understand the link up with what I call the Anunnaki?
	The reason why these might have been in a certain place in Egypt as opposed to anywhere else?
	These tablets, they must have been found in Egypt, wouldn't you say?
	Yeah, they were found in Giza Giza, yeah.
	Okay.
	They were found in the pyramids, at the base of the pyramids.
	And all the information, what I was told on the pyramids, that it was all destroyed.
	You know, all the real evidence was either taken away or destroyed in some way.
	So most of the things that we see is being put there to see with.
	Okay.
	I'm just being careful with the words.
	Yeah, no, that's fair enough.
	Now, so in essence, you discovered two or you found these two tablets and you brought them back.
	Is that correct?
	That's right, yeah.
	Okay.
	And on the deer that they were retrieved and we go across the River Jordan, they're put into a test.
	The example to make sure they had the right things.
	One of my team brought out, it's very hard to describe, a picture of, it looked like plastic.
	I wasn't sure whether it was made of plastic.
	It was like, it was a frame that went around the hand.
	You put your hand inside of it and on the top it looked like a little square watch face on the top.
	I didn't, When I looked at it, I couldn't understand exactly what I was looking at, but he slid his hand inside, and there were two little legs sticking down underneath his hand, and the tablets had two, like, slots at the sides where he slid the tablet into this thing he had in his hand, and he'd run his hand over the top of it, and on the top, where it was square, like a...
	It looked like a square watch, but pictures appeared.
	And I stood there with my mouth open.
	I just never seen anything like it.
	Letters were coming up, pictures were coming up, and what was on these tablets.
	Now this was a big moment.
	He did that with both of them.
	And he said, that's them.
	And that was about as much as I actually saw them.
	Okay, that's fascinating.
	Now, I want to ask you a couple of questions about this.
	So, the man who did this, he wore, it sounded like kind of a glove.
	Are you talking about sort of a glove?
	No, no, not a glove.
	Not a glove.
	Picture a piece of plastic about an inch wide, made into the letter N, not N, like a letter...
	Like the letter H, if you like, with an extra little bracken on the top.
	You put your hand through it.
	When you put your hand through it, you slid the tablet underneath his hand through this plastic.
	Alright, so it seems like a reader, but it's a very high-tech kind of reader.
	This man, was he a normal human that did this?
	Yeah, yeah.
	He was one of my team, yeah.
	I had no idea he was carrying it.
	He just got it out of his pocket.
	I see.
	I had no idea.
	I'd never seen it before.
	And, um...
	And so, the tablet, before he did this...
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Before...
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	When he opened the box, the two tablets out, it was like, um, they were wrapped in velvet, sort of cloth.
	Um...
	When we shone with lights on them, with torches, or you call flashlights, um...
	They gave off some kind of...
	You've been to these dance halls where they have these big round balls hanging from the ceiling and you've got little lights flying about it.
	Glitter.
	Yeah, that's what happened when we shone our torches.
	Like phosphorescence?
	Yeah, these lights were growing around our body.
	And we had our rain marks over the top.
	So the light wouldn't shine, you know, so people couldn't see any light coming from us.
	And so we're all sort of huddled together with rain capes over the top of us when we're showing the light on them.
	And these lights started to go around inside.
	And when he actually touched one, it stopped.
	It stopped doing that.
	So I don't know whether the The torch of a flashlight was charging them up in some way.
	I don't know.
	But that's what it looked like.
	Okay, but were they clay tablets?
	What were they made of?
	No, they were made of like a greenish glass.
	That's what it looked like.
	Whether they were made of glass, I don't know.
	But that's what it looked like.
	A greenish glass.
	And how big are they?
	Well, they were around about eight inches long, half an inch thick by about three inches wide, two and a half inches wide.
	There's a picture on the back of the book.
	That's exactly what they look like.
	They had these little black lines running down the top.
	That looks like you'd see on the back of an old record.
	You know those lines?
	They look just like that.
	So you had these long lines of different sizes and different thicknesses running down the tablets on the top.
	That was it.
	And so they're very sophisticated tablets.
	Oh, yeah.
	And they locked each other.
	The two we had wouldn't lock together, but there were...
	I remember Danny was saying, he said, oh, these have to be the right ones because of the locking devices on the side.
	Something of that nature.
	I can't remember exactly what they said.
	It was a long time ago.
	Right.
	And there was a lot of excitement at the time as well.
	It wasn't...
	Do you understand?
	We're really curious to know that we retrieved the right things.
	Do you understand?
	Oh, I do.
	So there's quite a lot of excitement going on about this.
	Okay, but I am curious because, you know, it's interesting because one would think that actually the powers that be, the people that are running England, do they object to you talking about these tablets, do you think?
	Well, I've only just started, but now really, I've only been on two radio shows, I've already mentioned it, I don't think anybody's really heard about it.
	The first two books, I've never mentioned it.
	Well, no, that's not quite true, because you mentioned, I've interviewed you before, but of course the sound was very bad, and a lot of people couldn't understand what you had to say.
	Well, I had, put it this way, I've had no repercussions of what I've said so far.
	The book hasn't The publisher, John Blake Publishing, who took the book on eight years ago, or nine years ago now, said he couldn't sell it.
	He needed evidence.
	I drummed up the evidence later on, eight years later, I drummed up the evidence, but he wasn't interested until Sean Stone wanted to make a film of it.
	Soon as Sean Stone signed a contract with us to make a film of his book, John Blair Publishing got in touch with us wanting to republish it.
	They've had it for three years now and they still can't sell it, but they wouldn't put in the information about me being in Egypt or anything like that.
	They wouldn't put it in.
	They wouldn't put in the bit about me being in Jeroboam.
	They wouldn't put it in.
	Okay, what about the tablets?
	Would they put that in?
	No, no.
	They made a softback They printed a softback, which was the cheapest paper you could possibly get.
	It had no publicity, no advertising.
	I was going to ask you, why don't you have a PDF? Why don't you get a Kindle version of your book?
	Well, they've got a Kindle version of it.
	But like I said, this book has just been printed in the last, say what, nine months or something.
	And it was, I'm not mentioning the guy's name, Right.
	He was a millionaire.
	I couldn't afford it.
	I couldn't afford to get it printed.
	Okay.
	They say I only had a pension.
	So where's the PDF? Where's the Kindle version?
	The Kindle version?
	I haven't got a Kindle version.
	Why not?
	Well, I haven't.
	All I've got is I've got the books here now.
	I've got the books downstairs.
	I know, but...
	Okay, they don't contain...
	Did they let you put the stuff in about where you kind of left your body and went in time travel?
	No, no.
	No?
	They don't even have that in there?
	No, they didn't do anything.
	Oh, God.
	I'll tell you, it was...
	They've done our best not to sell it.
	Oh, God's sake.
	All right, so this is...
	So the book you've got...
	Yes.
	...is the one that's got most of the information in, you know...
	I didn't think I would last very long if I put all of it in, but like I said, the Jalabah, the trips in Jalabah, what I saw, by the way, when we were going to Jalabah and we crossed the River Jordan to head to this compound,
	I saw two large circular objects, which people call today flying saucers, At the time, I just stood there with my mouth open.
	These two things were looking as though they were coming from behind the mountain that was in front of us.
	It looked as though they were taken off from the area that we were going to.
	And these two things, when they were moving off, I pointed over to my teammates and not one of them looked up.
	Not one of them!
	Oh, really?
	And then Chalky came dashing over to us Because I would say, look, look.
	He says, shut up, you never saw anything.
	Okay, where did those flying saucers, did they come out of the mountain?
	I don't know.
	I don't think so.
	They came from behind the mountain where we were going to.
	And we went.
	And what year was this?
	This was in the 1960s?
	That was 1959.
	1959.
	Because on the top of Trudis Mountains, there's a radar station.
	Now, it's a guy who was interviewed by Richard D. Hall, who doesn't know me.
	I mean, Richard D. Hall does, but this chap he was interviewing doesn't know me from Adam.
	He was a photographer, and he was on the top of Trudas Mountains at the radar station.
	Okay.
	And he's got proof.
	I mean, he doesn't know me.
	I understand.
	He is so...
	They saw a flying object from that area.
	Jet fighters chased it, but it was going far too fast.
	They couldn't catch it.
	So they've got documented proof that at the same time that I saw these two flying objects, they saw them on radar.
	All right.
	That's good.
	Now, what I want to ask you...
	Okay, wait one second here.
	I want to ask you...
	What these so-called flying saucers actually look like.
	So, were they round?
	Did they look traditional?
	They were round and flat.
	They looked like the saucer upside down.
	All right.
	And how big were they?
	How big?
	From where I was stunned, they were huge.
	If I was to guess, I would say the size of a football field or something.
	They were huge.
	So, you're talking about two?
	You said two?
	Two, yeah, two.
	No noise come from them.
	Right.
	In 1959, two of these things, and they were chased.
	Did you see the jet fighters chasing them?
	No, no, no, no, no.
	These things took off.
	It was night time.
	The moon was shining.
	That's how I saw them.
	Right.
	The moon was the reflection of them.
	There was a reflection of them from the moon.
	And, you know, the area we were was lit up.
	Okay, and is this Israel?
	Is this Israel?
	This is just north of Israel at the time.
	Now it is Israel.
	They've taken that area over completely.
	Right.
	Okay, so is this Gaza?
	What they call Gaza?
	No, it's Jarabah.
	It's at the foot of Mount Hermon, where I saw these two Objects.
	Have you ever seen anything else like that before or since?
	No, never.
	That's it?
	That's the only time?
	That's the only time.
	And you're the only one who saw it?
	No, I knew that the rest of them saw it, but they didn't look up.
	Okay, so they knew it was there, but they said not to talk about it.
	That's right, yeah.
	They weren't surprised to put it that way.
	I couldn't get there.
	See, look, I don't even know the others.
	There was only my team, three of us.
	Well, four, which was me, who I actually knew.
	I hadn't seen the rest because they worked with different other regiments.
	They were working on different ops to me.
	Most of them were acting as intelligence.
	So, like, say, when we went to Egypt, we had to have escape, which, you see, if anything went wrong.
	So things were planted there for us.
	They were also there to make sure that we got out safely, so there was other transport waiting for us wherever we needed it.
	Weapons were planted there so we could pick them up.
	You know, we didn't go in like most special forces with a 150-pound pack on our back.
	We're wearing a British uniform.
	We didn't do that.
	Right, I get it.
	We went in dressed up similar to the natives.
	And don't forget, when we went into Egypt, they had the hell bombed out of them 18 months prior to that by the Israelis.
	They had plumbed the area.
	The area that we went to, the area I went to, to this compound, most of the buildings and the roads were in such a state with bombs.
	And the buildings were all falling to bits.
	There was an old building next to the compound that we were trying to get into the compound.
	And this compound was surrounded by two 18-foot fences with guard dogs in between.
	And it describes in the book how we got into that building.
	Well, you say it describes it.
	You know, I've read this part and I have to say that it doesn't really describe it.
	I mean, it almost seems like magic.
	Are you sure in the book it tells you that?
	It tells you about the two fences, it tells you about the dogs, the dog patrol, it tells you how we got from one building to the other.
	Well, I think it has to do with your techniques, you know, that you can't really explain them.
	Yeah, okay.
	I think most people that has got that book, has written and said they understood.
	There was just one or two things that they needed clarifying, which I did.
	I also said to Sean Stone, if anybody like Jesse Ventura, anyone out there, wanted to put me through any test they like, whether it was physically or mentally, but that's three and a half years ago and I haven't come back at all.
	In fact, the script I'm just getting after three years, it's got nothing to do with the book at all.
	Okay, so what happened to your interview?
	I mean, not your interview, but basically whatever happened with Sean Stone and making the movie?
	What happened?
	He came over here and he said he wanted to make a film of the book.
	So we come to some arrangements for that.
	I've got a film where he said that's what he was going to do.
	We're saying the contract.
	And...
	Three and a half years later, I get the contract.
	I get, I get the, sorry, the script.
	And it's about a 29-year-old American guy.
	And my team are multiracial.
	One's an Negro, one's a Chinese, and one's an Indian, and one's a woman.
	So that's the script I'm just getting.
	And I've said to me, agent, you better handle this because, um, It's got nothing to do with the book whatsoever.
	At some point, I'll probably be able to show you the script to prove it.
	So whatever's taking place in the book is not going to be in this film.
	So you tell me what the hell is going on.
	Okay, are you saying the film...
	So you think, wait a minute, you said, why aren't they trying to stop us?
	Do you not think we allow it?
	Do you not think they are trying to stop us?
	Sure.
	Now tell me, is this movie that Sean is involved with you to make, is this going to be made?
	I have no idea.
	What I know is, I've signed a contract with him, he's paid me a certain amount of money for the rights of making this film, but the book has nothing to do The film, sorry, the script has got nothing to do with the film.
	As I said, I'm a 29-year-old guy who's an American, by the way, who's fighting ISIS in Syria.
	So, you know, he said that's got something to do with the book.
	Then you say, why are they trying to stop us?
	Do you not think they are?
	Okay, no, I appreciate that.
	So basically what he's doing is taking what they call literary license and fictionalizing it, right?
	Well, they didn't need the book for that, did they?
	Be honest.
	They're going to bring it up to date.
	I mean, that's one way of doing something.
	It's a creative approach.
	It doesn't mean it's going to be terrible.
	Tell me, what about the other...
	It's going to be terrible.
	It probably made a good film.
	All right.
	But again, it's not getting information.
	I understand.
	The reason why I said the film made of it was to get...
	To get the message over.
	I get it.
	So, John, what I want to ask you is, what happened to those other tablets?
	I have no idea.
	None at all.
	I've got no idea what happened to them.
	I don't think anybody really knows what happened to them.
	Whether they were all retrieved by the elite or not, I don't think so.
	Otherwise, they'd be far more advanced today than they are now, judging by what I've seen.
	And so, and again, don't forget, you know, when we got those tablets, the technology out there couldn't have got the information of the tablets anyway.
	All I know is that, you know, I have to be careful here what I say.
	I know, let's put it this way, I believe that the Nazis had two of these tablets.
	Oh, really?
	And the reason why they were taken there by, let's say, Israelis, and they were taken there, Hitler found out after a while, you heard of the D-Kronkh, the bell?
	Yes.
	The bell, as far as I understand, again, I'm being cautious of what I say, was designed from Two of these tablets.
	Alright.
	We got the information from them.
	How do you know that?
	How do you know that?
	Are you guessing?
	I was informed about it.
	I was informed about it by one of my teammates.
	Alright.
	About 15-20 years after I came out of the armed forces.
	I see.
	They were giving me certain information.
	A lot of heard us talking about it on On a radio show not so long ago as well.
	Well, you know, it would be fascinating.
	Anyway, long story short, I can't back this up anyway, whatsoever.
	All I know is, well, what I was told, that Hitler had put together, or the scientists had put together, a thing called the bell.
	That bell, they didn't have the material, they didn't have these little chips on, they didn't have the right material to build it, you see?
	But they used what they had.
	And they made this bell.
	And this bell apparently rose up the ground.
	It hit the top of this hanger that it was in.
	And when it took off, they thought they had an anti-gravity machine.
	Now, like I said, this is the story I was told.
	They realized then, they came across, they got some more evidence of these tablets, that It made the bell a lot bigger and they didn't want to take the risk of putting it in the hangar in case something went wrong.
	They didn't want people to see it either, as far as I understand.
	So they took it to Poland and they put it in what you call a water tower or what was left of a water tower.
	The water tower, the thing that was left was a concrete base With five or six legs.
	Well, I'm actually proud of Camelot.
	We went there.
	Did you?
	To the Henge, yes.
	Anyway, this is the story I was told.
	They took it with a truck, a lower loader, this big bell thing, and they put it inside of that concrete base and they chained it down.
	This is just a story.
	I can't back it up.
	Alright.
	Right?
	When the...
	Used the same frequencies.
	The two guys that had brought the bell on the truck, they vanished.
	There was only their clothes left lying on the ground.
	Right.
	Later on, they changed the frequency again, and the concrete base, because there's quite a few of them apparently, the concrete base It turned to dust because the metal inside vanished and so did the truck and the tires and everything was left lying on the floor but only metal disappeared.
	Then later on I was told that they took that equipment after the war, after the flood in Germany and the Operation Paperclip, they took that of that machinery to America That's exactly right.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Right?
	Yes.
	And half the ship vanished.
	Right.
	But he said the whole ship vanished.
	Well, you know that...
	But apparently it didn't.
	But you know...
	Guys were stuck inside the machinery, inside the metal of the ship.
	And that sank where, you know, most of them died, apparently.
	Well, that's right.
	But then, after that, after that, they managed to, as they were advancing with their technology, To make this energy weapon, which that's what it was, they made it small enough to be carried on aircraft.
	And that's why 9-11, your towers, half your towers disappeared.
	They used the same weaponry on 9-11.
	That's why them steel girders turned to dust, and your concrete, sorry, your Your steel girders disappeared and your concrete turned to dust.
	That's why you had six inches of dust right across New York where the towers fell.
	Okay.
	Exactly the same thing happened in Poland.
	I understand.
	So that's the story.
	Okay, thank you.
	That's wonderful.
	But do you know that Clark McClellan talks about the bell showing up In, I don't know where it was, Pennsylvania, somewhere in the States.
	I've heard different stories.
	There's lots, hundreds and thousands of stories.
	Most of them don't add up at all.
	Again, lots of things I've just been talking about doesn't add up because I'm not telling you the full story.
	I can't.
	I'm not telling you everything.
	All right, that's fair enough.
	If I did, it would really add up.
	But, you know...
	I want to live a little bit longer than my...
	I appreciate that.
	Okay, now, it's wonderful to talk to you, and believe it or not, I have another interview right after this one, so I can't keep you too much longer, but we have a little more time.
	I'm going to be talking.
	You know who John Lear is, yeah?
	I know John Lear, yeah.
	Well, if you look in the book, He's got a reference in my book.
	Yes.
	Did you see it?
	I figure you guys maybe know each other.
	Yeah.
	That's who we do.
	Well, he's a lovely...
	He's my good friend, John Irwin, isn't he?
	Yeah.
	He's a lovely man, so he'll get a kick out of the fact that we were talking here.
	Now, the thing is...
	I understand he's got a problem of some sort.
	Yes.
	They raised his mortgage, doubled it, and he's got a lot of health problems costing him a lot of money.
	To stay alive at this time.
	And he's going to share all that with us when we get him on the phone.
	When you talk to him, tell him I'm masking after him.
	I'll watch him all the best.
	Well, I mean, you know, it's possibly we could get the two of you on the phone together if you'd like.
	Yeah, whatever.
	As long as it's not going to cause him more problems, you know?
	No.
	Well, I don't know.
	Because it can't.
	It can't.
	Okay.
	So, yeah, absolutely.
	But let me ask you this.
	So, okay.
	So you did this.
	You went to the Middle East.
	You did four.
	You did four of these.
	One was called Operation Pinprick because I used a bit of what looked like a needle, a hat pin, which I used to kill a guy.
	I had to make it.
	I mean, you had guards with them.
	We had a killer's guy.
	I did the job.
	I pierced it through his chest in between his ribs and his heart.
	So we carried on walking for quite a while before his heart filled up with blood.
	I'm not a doctor, so I can't describe that properly.
	He walked about 200 yards and collapsed and died.
	He had three guards with him.
	I managed to Get it between him and the guards.
	The guards pushed me out of the way, because I thought I'd just bump them.
	But I didn't.
	I killed them.
	Alright.
	But, John...
	Should I have said that on the air?
	Should I have said that?
	You know, we understand if you're a commando kind of guy, that that's part of your job.
	But my first kill was in the first test of the machine, if you like, was in Trudis Mountains.
	We heard that of some New Yorker terrorists up there that were hiding guns in a small cave up there.
	So they took us up there to try us out, to be honest.
	When we got up there, we found them in the cave.
	But prior to us finding them in the cave, I went through some other caves.
	And the water, because they have snow in the mountains there, the water was coming through like a shower inside this cave, usually.
	And I went through there.
	To look at the back of the cave and over this...
	There was a hole in the back of the cave and I went to have a look in there.
	On my way back, a big dog appeared on the top of this...
	where the roof I caved in.
	It was like a bit of a rampant hill in front of us with a dog on the top.
	And the dog started to slide down.
	It was barking at us.
	And it attacked us now to kill it.
	When I killed it, as I was leaving...
	We stood talking at the entrance of this cave, which was just like a crack in the side of the mountain.
	I heard this noise, so I went back in the cave and I climbed up this bit of a hill and looked over the top and there were two puppies there.
	It had been trying to protect its puppies.
	When we found these terrorists and we killed them, And we got rid of the guns and the ammo.
	I went back for the puppies.
	So you'll see a picture of me with the two puppies in the book.
	Okay.
	I've got the two puppies, you know.
	I'm sitting there with the two puppies.
	All right, but let me ask you this.
	Do you have any recall, even now, of this kind of time when you time-traveled?
	Yeah, I do.
	It has a strange effect on us.
	So you still have that ability?
	If I sit in the car, sometimes when I'm driving along in the car, it nearly happened to me when I was flying.
	I've got a plane, you see, and I'm a pilot.
	I've been flying for about 20 odd years now.
	I know roughly when this is going to happen, you see, like An hour before I started getting these tingling feelings.
	So I wouldn't fly the plane.
	It's not just a tingling type of sensation.
	I find out, if I'm driving the car, I pull over on the side of the road and I start to shake.
	I grip the steering wheel to the point where I had a bit, you know, just about damaging the steering wheel and my fingers, you know, and that happens to us on another occasion.
	Oh, yeah?
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	So, let me ask you this.
	Do the British, you know, I know that special, the SAS and all that were supposed to learn from you, but it doesn't seem like they ever did.
	No, the reason being that I told them that I wasn't going to teach them, because I I don't know if any SES has been any good at all.
	They're a bunch of drunks.
	When they get any information, it's on YouTube.
	So they're sort of special, these guys, that when they get anything, you'll find it on YouTube.
	This is how we do it.
	It's like the Iranian Embassy.
	It was actually on TV, the Iranian Embassy, on how they did it and how they messed it up.
	How they couldn't upsell properly down the side of the building.
	So, you see, the art of self-defense is the element of surprise.
	But they weren't showing what they did on TV. They were showing you how they did it.
	For all, it was a mess.
	It was really a total failure.
	It's the fate of the whole building.
	I know.
	It's absolutely fascinating to me how they don't utilize you.
	But listen, I want you to know...
	Well, they tried to.
	They tried to.
	I've got the agreements here, which they're saying, but I didn't say it.
	And that's the reason why you're not getting it, because you'll commercialize it, therefore you lose the element of surprise.
	You never educate the enemy.
	I know, but there's plenty of special forces that would keep it secret.
	No, there isn't.
	No, there isn't.
	All your special forces, like the SEALs and that, I think half of them have got to go to bed with each other before they get in.
	And that's true, you know it.
	Oh, God.
	Well, that's very interesting.
	Yeah, we've got proof of that.
	We've got high-ranking officers telling you this.
	Again, it was like the SAS when they went, what was called, I forget the name of the damn thing now, Bravo 2-0.
	They went to Iraq.
	You don't get dropped off in the desert by helicopter Wearing a 150-pound back on your back, dressed as a British soldier, and then expect to walk through the desert with it.
	It's bomb.
	It's silly.
	Four farmers saw them.
	One young lad saw them in this ditch, and he went to tell his grandparents.
	His grandparents came out waving their shiraks and fighting their guns saying, come and have a cup of tea in Arabic.
	And not one of them understood.
	They ran off, dropped their packs, dropped all their gear.
	One of them died because of the cold.
	It was that cold at night.
	They had took their own clothes with them.
	They didn't know it got that cold at night, would you believe it?
	You can check on this.
	It's in a book.
	I actually made a book of it, in a film of it, Bravo 2-0, the one that ran away, not got away.
	And they made such a mess of it.
	It's all lies.
	It's all bloody lies.
	They went out there, they made a big mistake, they messed it all up and then they turned it into something in the films and they killed so many hundreds of Iraqi soldiers.
	It's all lies.
	It's just nonsense, absolute nonsense.
	Alright, so what I wanted to ask you was, do you think that the British...
	I mean, aren't you being sort of protected or safeguarded or something?
	Don't the British...
	No, I do need it.
	I do need it.
	I'm trained for it.
	I understand.
	No, that's not what I mean.
	That's not exactly what I mean.
	Oh, sorry.
	Sorry.
	I thought you meant physically.
	No.
	Physically attack.
	No.
	Okay.
	That's not what I mean.
	I think it's a bit of a language problem here because I'm a children, see?
	No, it's all right.
	But what I want to ask you has to do with the fact that you said you have these sort of recalls, these episodes where you suddenly can go into sort of a time travel, what I would call a time travel mode, right?
	It's just...
	It's just...
	It's...
	What I went through, I see the same things.
	I'm not...
	Okay, so you speak...
	It's nothing new.
	Nothing new.
	Are you sure?
	It's nothing new.
	I keep on...
	I have...
	Just on an odd occasion, this is not all the time, and I keep...
	How do you know there's nothing new?
	Well, it's...
	Well, again, I'm totally unaware that...
	Well, I'm here in the house, and my wife's disabled, and There's no way I could possibly leave without her knowing about it.
	Again, I'm not...
	How can I put it?
	I've got to be just so careful to what I say here.
	I'm not traveling anywhere.
	All I'm doing is recalling what took place 60 years ago.
	That's what I do.
	And the reason why I do that, the only time I do it, I'll be doing it tonight because we've been talking about it.
	So it will happen tonight.
	You can gamble all night.
	But it's really because if I talk about it, it's like most things.
	If you say it's horrible, you probably have nightmares.
	Sure.
	Yeah, well, it's something along those lines.
	But like I said, I've never come across anything that's...
	Okay, well, no, no, no.
	I want to ask you something because you actually just said something interesting.
	And I don't know if it was a mistake, but you...
	You basically were saying that you didn't...
	That now, when you have this recall, you don't go anywhere.
	That's what you just said.
	No, yeah.
	Okay, but that indicates...
	In other words...
	No, I want to say that that indicates that when you did it originally, you did go somewhere.
	Well, I felt as though I'd gone...
	Yeah, well, I felt as though I'd gone somewhere in the sense that what I was seeing wasn't the same as where I was I understand that.
	You didn't understand where I was sitting.
	So it was completely different.
	Well, I mean, look, you, they also, you know, they put you into a state where you did seem to cross time when you learned the technique as well.
	So in theory, you know, you said you were bloody, you had blood around your mouth or whatever, and you had some marks on you.
	Because they were attacking us and I was making mistakes, you see.
	You must have been, you must have gone somewhere because otherwise those things wouldn't have happened to you.
	No, I was in the hangar, and I was unaware that I was training with them.
	All right, I understand that's what you think was happening.
	I mean, have you ever gone...
	Well, again, you see, all that is hearsay.
	You can put whatever you want into that.
	And again, all I knew is that I was definitely in the building.
	The only way I could have learned it was through these guys.
	I couldn't have learned it any other way.
	I know, but if they could shift you, you know, if they could shift your body.
	But they don't shift your body.
	Oh, you understand.
	You mean getting from the office?
	Yeah, they had to move you around.
	You had to be moved.
	You had to...
	Well, yeah.
	Well, I moved, yeah.
	I was getting...
	In other words...
	Just like I was sleepwalking, yeah.
	Yeah, or whatever.
	In essence, that's part of the time travel.
	See, you can either...
	If you wanted to time travel, you can either do what...
	According to one of my witnesses, Mark Richards, you can either take your body with you or you can leave your body here and reconstitute your body at the other end.
	Well, they explained that...
	They explained to me something about that.
	Let's try and recall it.
	They said that the reason why you've seen other life forms, that's where they put it, other dimensions of different stages of life, they said, is because the human body can't go anywhere.
	This is why the only way we can do it is this way.
	Because the human body itself, Because of its genetic makeup, the way we're built, it's a biologic and chemical machine.
	We can't go anywhere.
	Well, that's actually not true, but I appreciate that that's what you think.
	Listen, it has to do with what it sounds to me like they reconstituted your body at the other end.
	The trouble with that notion, if you can appreciate this, is that when you reconstitute the body and you bring it back, Apparently your soul stays here, and not only that, but you would not have bruises and blood and so on and so forth.
	You wouldn't bring that with you, it seems to me.
	So that's what's really interesting about the situation, is that you actually had physical...
	Even so, it doesn't matter.
	Even if it was the tiniest thing, it still indicates there's something going on there.
	Well, they were attacking us.
	They were going through the combat with me.
	I was obviously learning how to stop these things and it wasn't working correctly until the point where I did learn and I was able to stop it, you see.
	But in the meantime, I would be making mistakes.
	But I was totally unaware of that until, like I said, three days later when I went back down I found I could stop whatever they were doing.
	I could still do it.
	Well, what do you mean?
	Can you explain what you just said?
	Well, I still do the combat in exactly the same way.
	Again, it's not just a physical thing.
	It's all going to do with psychology.
	It's making the enemy believe that they're in control when all the time you are.
	So a strategy is involved in it.
	You see, it's not a question two people come together, you know, like two people in the boxing ring.
	That's right.
	And hand the hell out to each other and hope that the other one's going to win somehow.
	It's not like that.
	Well, don't you?
	Okay, but, you know, this is the kind of thing where it's really interesting, and maybe other people don't talk to you about this like I am, but...
	Because, you know, the fact is that you can actually...
	If you use orgone, the orgone which I call kundalini, you can actually put the other person in a state and you can actually transcend time.
	So it actually sounds like that's what you may be doing as part of your technique.
	Well, again, I have no evidence of that.
	I would like someone to show me that, that it can be done.
	Well, you have evidence.
	I'll tell you the evidence.
	The evidence is that in a certain sense, I mean, maybe you haven't thought about it this way, it's very possible there's an element of time, missing time, in which you are moving faster in time than the person you're attacking or defending.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Well, I don't think so.
	I don't think it's got anything to do with that.
	I remember everything I do.
	Yeah, that's not what I mean.
	No, what I mean is that you...
	It's okay.
	We don't have to deal with this.
	It just occurs to me that what's really happening is that, in a certain sense, you're going into a different time than they are in.
	And it's the change in time that actually gives you the time to do what you do without them being able to defend themselves.
	Well, I don't think that's the case at all.
	All right.
	It's all going to do with...
	I mean, I've got three or four guys which have teached on a regular basis.
	Right.
	And there's no way they're going to be able to do that.
	All right.
	So, like I said, even with the SES, they were attacking me and it was just a physical thing.
	I wasn't moving about like some kind of...
	No, okay.
	I wasn't moving about quickly.
	I didn't have to.
	But when you teach this method, let me ask you this because this is kind of interesting.
	When you teach this method to others, and you have tried to teach it to others, they won't have the same experience that you had when this guy basically kind of put you in a time travel state, right?
	Okay.
	It's a terminology you're using, which I don't actually understand.
	I know.
	Well, I mean, I don't know what you want to call that state.
	The state in which you...
	You are not able to do that with these other people.
	The reason why they did that, the conscious brain, because it's conscious, wants to, you want to do things the way you want to do them.
	If you take the subconscious brain away, then, sorry, your conscious brain, take it away, your conscious brain is aware of what's going on, therefore it suffers from fear and things like that.
	If you take your conscious brain away, switch it off, then the subconscious brain Just recognize fear or whatever.
	Okay.
	So therefore, it picks it up immediately.
	It picks up the movements very, very quickly, and it records it.
	I know, but what I'm asking you is, can you teach this thing?
	You are not able, I would say, because this guy did it to you using a special machine.
	So you aren't doing that to the people you're teaching, right?
	No, what I do is, because it takes them a couple of years to learn it, Where it only took me three to four days to learn it.
	They didn't have the time.
	That's the reason why they did it.
	They did it like that because they didn't have the time to teach us.
	Well, that's not the only reason.
	They did it because they could do it.
	Well, of course, yeah.
	Well, again, it was going to save time.
	That would be one of the reasons.
	They couldn't afford to spend another three years teaching us, you know?
	I want to know, was this guy tall?
	He was taller than me.
	I'm 5'10".
	Was he unusually tall?
	He was at least seven or eight inches taller than me and my teammates.
	Was he, what you say, Nordic looking?
	Yes.
	He had long hair.
	He had bright blue eyes.
	He had to sometimes, if he was flying a helicopter, which was a Sycamore helicopter, which I had to learn to fly as well, because something happened to them.
	What we used to do was dye our hair, and we used to put these drops in our eyes to change the colour.
	We didn't do that in Egypt, but We could use these drops to change the colour of our eyes, apparently.
	So again, we used to dress the part.
	We're taught to act, if you like, to try and convince the enemy that, you know, we had to be pretty good actors in those areas.
	We had to look like the natives, if you like.
	In some cases, not all of them, because especially in Lebanon.
	Lebanon had a solar theatre.
	They were dressed like us.
	Okay.
	It was quite amazing.
	You know, I was shocked when I got there.
	I thought it was in London somewhere.
	This particular party we were at, and I've even got a picture of that.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Look, this is what I want to do.
	I really appreciate you going through this and talking to me about all of this.
	It's fascinating.
	And I know that you know a lot more than you're saying.
	And people who are listening have to understand that John has to be careful.
	So he really does know what he's talking about.
	And he is really quite amazing.
	And nothing of what he says is not true.
	This is very accurate and this is actually the second or third time I've interviewed you.
	And I have an old interview with him on my Project Hamlet Productions division.
	That's the channel that's part of my website.
	So you just go to drop down and see where it says interviews and you'll see the productions website there and you can listen to the older one.
	John, I have to let you go because I have to go...
	Before we go, do you think you could get some of your listeners to buy the book?
	Well, absolutely.
	You know, I would love the people who are listening to buy the book, and it would be very, very lovely if they would consider doing that.
	It's a fascinating story.
	We haven't been able to cover the whole story here.
	So I have showed them your...
	I gave them the link to the website, this combat website, but that's not actually where you buy the book, right?
	Yeah, you're just going to use my email address, which is john.com.
	John at UCSDefense.com That's...
	The defense is spelled with a C, by the way, not an S. So it's John at UCSDefense.com And if the...
	That's my email address.
	That's also my PayPal account.
	You know...
	Oh, so they...
	Are you saying...
	It's on Amazon as well, though, right?
	No, no, no.
	It's not anywhere.
	The only way they can get it is through me.
	The book they buy on Amazon...
	It's the fakes.
	Oh, you're kidding.
	I'm not kidding.
	All that's on Amazon.
	I don't get a penny.
	I've never made one penny off this book, except for the one I've just had printed by a millionaire who's printed it from me.
	This is the only one that's got most of the evidence in.
	I've got pictures in, you know, maybe in Egypt and what have you.
	And that's the only book that's got the vast majority of information in it.
	Okay, so what I'd like to do is I'm going to call John Lear.
	I have to basically close this down and put up the credits and so on.
	And if you stand by, I'll actually bring the two of you on briefly together, if you don't mind.
	You can say hello.
	Would you like to do that?
	Yeah, why not?
	All right, lovely.
	So, I want to thank you so much for coming on the show, John.
	It's a delight, and maybe we can do this again.
	Well, it's a struggle for me, to be quite honest.
	Like I say, I have to be so careful what I say.
	I know.
	And I'm probably coming over like a very bloody idiot, but...
	No, not at all.
	You're great.
	Well, again, like I say, it's very, very hard to describe something that happened 65 years ago.
	Well, you do a very good job, in my opinion.
	I mean, it's clear that you had something really extraordinary happen with you.
	And I don't think people fully even grasp, you know, the level.
	I can understand that, yeah.
	Yeah, of course, yeah.
	So I would like to know more about it, and I hope that in the future you can talk more about it.
	Well, I don't know how much future we've got because Britain's in a hell of a state at the moment.
	I know that.
	It's going down.
	And I'm coming over there in September again.
	I'm going over there on my way to Ireland.
	I'd love to meet up with you.
	Yeah.
	I'd love to see you.
	It would be great to see you.
	Just to see you in the flesh.
	Can I put that a different way?
	No, it'd be great to meet you in person, John.
	To see you personally, I mean.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So I'm going to hang up here.
	Yeah, if you're down so low, I mean, I've got to play enough and fly it down there, you know?
	Oh, that's amazing.
	All right.
	Well, John's a player as well.
	Yeah, I know.
	Absolutely.
	Okay, so I'm going to let you go.
	Thank you so much again for coming on the show.
	And you take care.
	All right?
	Okay.
	Good night.
	Bye-bye.
	It's a good idea.
	I don't know what time is over there.
	Well, actually, it's still daytime, but close enough.
	Well, it's now 11 o'clock at night.
	All right.
	I'll say bye to your listeners.
	Good luck.
	All right.
	Thank you very much.
	Take care.
	And I'm going to call you right back when I get John on the phone, okay?
	Okay.
	No problem.
	Briefly.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Bye-bye.
	Bye.
	Okay, so that's wonderful.
	And I don't know if people are really listening, but this interview contains some very important clues as to some fascinating stuff that isn't out there in the mainstream and it's not known in the UFO community either.
	So that's kind of a special treat.
	And we're going to go now to John Lear.
	So I'll be opening up another window altogether for that show, and I'll be running credits here.
	These shows just happen to be back-to-back today.
	So I do encourage everyone to watch my interview I did last night with Robert David Steele, which was very...
	Hard-hitting and fun, and he was purposely trying to create what he calls an executive summary for Camelot, so he was limiting my time when I answered the questions, and it was actually kind of wild, but it seems to be going over well, so I encourage people to watch it if you haven't seen it already.
	And thanks for watching today, and I'll be back with John in just a moment, so take care.

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