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May 10, 2017 - Project Camelot
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LEN KASTEN : ALIEN WORLD ORDER - 7PM PT
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Thank you.
Hi, everyone. everyone.
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and I'm here tonight with Len Kasten and we're going to be talking about his book.
It's called Alien World Order and it's a very interesting book and I think that people will be fascinated to hear How he got to writing this book and actually the real story behind all of it because it's a really involved, fascinating story.
So, Len Kasten, are you there?
Yes, I am.
Okay, great.
What I'm going to do here is just read part of your bio that you sent me, or that somehow I got hold of.
I'm not sure if you sent it to me, actually.
But it says you have a BA degree from Cornell University, and you majored in psychology, minored in literature and philosophy, and then you graduated and went into the Air Force Aviation Cadet Program.
You experienced a UFO encounter that transformed your life.
And he didn't realize it until a few years later.
He served in the Air Force, moved to Richmond, Virginia, and made frequent trips to Virginia Beach.
Spent a lot of time in the New Age Library at the Association for Research and Enlightenment.
The organization founded by the psychic Edgar Cayce and was self-educated in metaphysics, then moved to Boston where he was introduced to theosophy and joined the Boston Theosophical Society.
It looks like he worked in Washington, D.C. in the 60s and was, let's see, he felt drawn to join what's called NICAP. And NICAP is a prestigious organization investigating UFO phenomena, although I'm not sure it's still in operation.
Then moved to Hartford, Connecticut, joined the American Philosopher Society of And became president of the society eventually.
And he created a weekly program of public lectures by prominent metaphysical and ufology researchers, writers and leaders.
And also became editor of an early New Age publication.
with Gordon Michael Scallion.
So you've written, it looks like, three books, The Secret History of Extraterrestrials, Secret Journey to Planet Serpo, and Alien World Order, which is more or less the one we'll concentrate on tonight.
So we do not have video, unfortunately, for Len tonight.
For some reason, the camera and the audio don't work together.
But nonetheless, he's here.
And Len, why don't you say hello to everyone?
And perhaps you can maybe expand on that bio a bit more.
Hi, Carrie.
Yes, hi, everyone.
A little bit, yes.
The experience I had in the Air Force with a UFO was really what got me into this, but I didn't realize it two or three years later.
But now looking back on it and talking to some other people, I realize that's what happened.
Whatever happened to me, probably I was taken on board to craft and had an experience, but it got buried in my subconscious.
But two or three years later, while working in Washington for IBM, I joined NICAP. Something motivated me to join NICAP. And NICAP was kind of a strange organization at that point.
It wasn't very well known.
And eventually I also got into MUFON. So whatever happened to me on that craft, I worked on my subconscious and got me into all this.
Absolutely.
Well, so the actual UFO experience, did this happen in the Air Force?
Or can you describe the actual occurrence?
Yes, it happened while I was in the Air Force.
I was asleep in the barracks when I woke up at 3 o'clock in the morning for no reason at all that I can know what it was.
And I ran to the window just in time to look out and see the craft go by at very high speed.
It was a glowing green and gold phosphorescent color, and I put my face up against the window and I watched it till it disappeared out over the Gulf of Mexico.
And then I went back to sleep and forgot about it.
However, the guys from the tower when the midnight shift came in that next morning and said that they had four UFOs hovering over the runway that night.
I said, what's a UFO? I had no idea what a UFO was at that point.
And they explained it to me, and I told them I thought I saw one coming from the runway.
And they said, well, why don't you go report it to the UFO office?
I said, okay, where's the UFO office?
I found it, and there was a captain sitting there with a five-page questionnaire.
And I realize now that was part of Operation Blue Book.
but at the time I had no idea why he was so interested in what happened to me.
I neglected to say that I'd gotten very sick the day after the experience, flu symptoms, and I had to go to the hospital, the base hospital, for three days.
So putting it all together now, the sighting that I had, plus the UFOs hovering over the runway, the hospital, all of it, clearly I was taken on board the craft that night.
And when I woke up at 3 o'clock in the morning, it was because they dumped me back into my bed.
And that's why I ran to the window.
And apparently that's what happened.
Okay.
That's the way I have it summarized at this point.
And what year was that?
Do you remember what year?
It was in the 60s.
Blue Book was still in effect at that point.
Okay, and it's my understanding NICAP is not in effect anymore?
No, NICAP is defunct now.
Okay, but you were part of NICAP for how long?
About a year while I was in Washington working for IBM. Larry Bryant was the head of it at that point, but Admiral Hillenketter was actually the head of it.
At that point, but Larry Bryant was the most famous member.
I see.
Well, Rich Dolan, I think, has covered some of Hill and Cotter's background in his book.
And he was military, wasn't he?
Yeah, he was the first head of the CIA. All right.
So he then went from the CIA to NICAP, which is...
It might sound unusual, but actually, there's a lot of crossover as it happens, and of course, the CIA is heavily involved.
My cap was not really a military operation.
It was a civilian operation.
I understand.
But nonetheless, you know, as they say, you know, once you've been in these organizations, it's hard to divorce yourself from them.
Right.
In terms of your book, I guess before we get into this actual, the alien world order, what I'd like to do is briefly go over your other two books, and especially Project Serpo, because, you know, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you had written a book about that.
Of course, I've got some background in that, as you may know.
I didn't realize that.
So we could have compared some notes there, even off the camera.
But for this purpose, here we are.
Can you talk a little bit about how you got involved in writing a book about Serpo?
Well, actually, it all happened because I spent two hours in the shuttle from Laughlin to the Las Vegas airport with Bill Ryan.
Oh, okay.
That's how it all got started.
I was talking about it for two hours.
By the time I got out of that cab, I was very thoroughly intrigued, and I realized that there was more to it.
I just instinctively understood that because I was connecting it with some other dots that I had already put together, and I came to realize that it actually did happen.
I came to believe that it actually did happen.
I did further research, and then I started to write the book, and it all came together for me anyway.
All right.
Now, you know, I don't know if you know this.
Maybe you know it.
Maybe you're involved in it.
There have been several attempts to make a movie about Serpo.
Are you aware of that?
Yeah, I was actually involved in one of them, which you probably don't know about.
I had a Hollywood producer working on it, but we couldn't get the right screenwriter.
So if there were other attempts, I'd like to know about them.
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah, sure.
I think we briefly spoke about this when we connected at the very small conference I was part of in Sedona.
I think that's where I met you.
Well, yeah, it's all very interesting, and I do know about the efforts to get that made into a movie and so on.
So I would be interested in reading your book.
Is your book a compilation of what are basically the communiques from what we call Anonymous?
Anonymous, yes.
A lot of my material was taken from the Serpo website, but also some other research that I did on the site.
And also others who contributed to the SERPO website anonymously, besides anonymous.
There were others who knew about the project, who sent in a lot of material afterwards, and that fleshed it out and really, really made it very believable.
Okay, and did you know these others by name, or were they anonymous as well?
No, there were some who gave their names, and I'm trying to think of them right now.
I can't, but I think one of them was Robert...
I know who you mean, but his last name is escaping me at this exact moment.
I certainly know Robert.
He wrote a book also.
Did he?
Okay.
Well, that's interesting.
So you used a lot of the SERPO material, but you also used some of the other people that were involved.
Did you also interview Bill Ryan about the subject?
I talked to Bill about it, and Bill had lost all interest in it at that point.
And I believe he had moved to Ecuador at that point.
So I couldn't really talk to him.
I asked him if he wanted to write the foreword, and he declined.
So I also asked Victor to write the foreword, and Victor didn't want to write it either.
But Victor was all for the project.
Right.
And Victor was very pleased with the final product.
Okay.
You know who Victor is, right?
Of course.
Actually, it's Victor Martinez.
Well, you could say, you know, it's Victor Martinez in a certain sense that connected me with Bill Ryan, you know, who was my former partner on Camelot.
Okay.
For three years as it happens.
I've actually been doing this for 11 years, believe it or not now.
So I've been doing it eight years since Bill and I split or parted ways or however you want to put that.
But, you know...
What year did you actually split?
Do you remember?
Well, it was during the year 2009.
Okay.
Yeah, by that time the book had already taken shape.
But...
You were not involved with that.
Okay.
No, not at all, which is fine.
Bill and I did have some interesting encounters and got involved in some things.
So did you meet some, you know, did you deal with some agents, some, you know, from various agencies?
Did you meet, for example, Rick Doty?
I did not meet Rick Doty, but I read his article in UFO Magazine, and he was all...
In that article, he more or less said that he knew that the project had happened, but it had happened.
He admitted that it had happened.
I don't know if you know the article I'm talking about.
I probably knew it a while ago.
It's been...
Yeah, it's been many years.
Actually, Bill and I both became very highly skeptical of a lot of the information within Serpo, although we are sure that an alien exchange program happened.
In fact, from what we understand, possibly as many as six and who knows how many by now.
But we know that there was a A planet, and there have been exchange programs.
This was, of course, for those listening, based on the end of the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind when you see Richard Dreyfuss suiting up to go on the ship with the aliens.
Supposedly, Serpo took off from that point, and that was sort of a depiction of that alien-human exchange program that was going on.
These went on during the 60s.
It was a defense intelligence agency release of information and a lot of people got involved in it.
A lot of disinfo, a great deal of disinfo.
How did you verify that there was disinfo?
From Rick Doty?
No, actually, no, not necessarily Rick, but other sources that gave us information.
A lot of it, you know, is very hypothetical.
There's no way to prove it.
You kind of have to, you know, connect the dots, so to speak.
Are you familiar with the TV show on October 1988 where the falcon and the birds were speaking and their voices were masked?
And they talked about the whole program and admitted that it had happened.
Because I have a copy of that video and I use it in my presentations.
He's more or less admitting with his voice masked.
I think he was named Falcon at the time.
Well, that would be one of the aviary, and I forget which one that is, but the aviary, you can't take them at their word either.
It isn't to say that there are not a lot of elements of truth in there.
Certainly, I'm sure there are.
Again, it's one of those things where it's very hard to verify one way or the other.
Linda Moulton Howell seems to think it happened, but her version is slightly different than the Serpo version.
Yes, that's true.
She definitely is on board with the fact that it happened.
Yeah, we did talk to Linda, and yes, I'm aware of that.
And we talked, you know, to Dodie, and we dealt with him.
We also found, I guess, one of the officers.
We actually went to his house.
I don't know if you know about that saga.
Yeah.
And he was waiting at the door.
We were tracked in our car from Albuquerque all the way, where we had met with Rick Doty, all the way to Arizona, where we went to this person's house, delivered a letter to his wife who came to the door, but her husband was standing in the doorway when we arrived.
So they were expecting us.
And we invited him to do an interview, and he never responded, so we kind of moved on from there.
But yeah, it's interesting.
Do you mind putting that onto the website?
Yes, yes, we've published it, absolutely.
So that's Serpo, and you've had that book out.
I'd like to add one more thing here.
Sure.
You're familiar with the Ronnie Zamora story?
The name's familiar, but offhand, I don't know what you're referring to.
It's an alien craft that landed on April 24, 1964, outside of Sedona, outside of Socorro, New Mexico.
Uh-huh, yes.
And a passing motorist saw the craft.
It was a huge egg-shaped craft called the New Mexico State Police, and the policeman that showed up was Lonnie Zamora.
And Zamora saw the craft.
He saw the two aliens standing in front of it, And when they noticed that he was seeing them, observing them, they jumped in and took off.
That was the date of the first landing from Serpo, April 24th.
And they did land in the wrong place.
And they jumped back in the craft and eventually found Harlem and Air Force Base.
There were two craft that came on that date.
So the Lonnie Zamora, the truth of that adds a lot of authenticity to the story.
Okay.
I just wanted to bring that up.
Yeah, fair enough.
So, at this point, now, the other book you wrote is what?
I don't have the bio in front of me.
Secret History of Extraterrestrials is the name of the book.
Okay.
Now, was this written before or after the Serpo book?
Before.
That was my first book.
Oh, I see.
And what does that cover?
Well, prior to writing that book, I had been writing articles for Atlantis Rising magazine.
And I had written 60 articles at that point for Atlantis Rising that were published.
About 25 to 30 of them were about UFOs and extraterrestrials.
The publisher, Bear and Company, decided that it would make a book just to put those articles together into a book.
And that's what happened.
That book is a compilation of 21 of the articles that I had written for Atlantis Rising magazine up to that point.
Over a period of 14 years.
And that's how that...
Okay.
And why did you write those articles?
Well, they were part of my writing for Atlantis Rising.
I wrote articles on a lot of New Age subjects and a lot of UFO subjects and a lot of extraterrestrial subjects.
And I began to realize that my main interest was in the extraterrestrial phenomenon and UFOs.
And so they became the subject of the book and the editor agreed.
The publisher agreed.
Uh-huh.
And were they based on, you know, things that you had investigated, or were these personal...
They're almost all based on interviews.
Okay.
One of my first interviews with Robert Boval, I wrote an article, one of the stories was about Adamski.
Okay.
And I just put the whole thing together.
One of them was with Robert McDonough, who came up with the whole story about the propulsion systems, which were then very novel.
And it just sort of fell together, the whole thing.
All right.
So after you wrote that book, what were you doing?
Were you actually making a living as a writer, or did you have another line of work?
No, I was doing that, and I was doing mainly that, yes.
I was doing mainly that.
Am I wrong in thinking that you were also a screenwriter or you worked in Hollywood at a certain point?
Or is that wrong?
I have an MFA degree in creative writing with a focus on screenwriting.
And I did have a couple of screenplays that were brought up but never reached the screen.
Then I just diverted it To writing articles and books.
Right, so are you still interested in writing for the screen?
I am.
I have my focus, my concentration for the degree, the MFA degree was in screenwriting.
Right.
Okay, so you're still interested.
My thesis was a screenplay.
Uh-huh.
And I assume that was many years ago, right?
What, the degree?
Yes.
No, I only got the degree about six years ago.
Oh, all right, so relatively recently.
All right, great.
Now, to sort of transition into this newest book, do you want to tell us what motivated you to write this book?
Well, I already probably come to the conclusion that the reptilians existed, and not only reading David Icke, but many other writers, particularly James Bartley, But what really triggered it for me, and I was starting to connect the dots little by little.
But then what convinced me was coming across the works by Robert Morning Sky.
And when I came across his book, Eden, Atlantis, and the UFO Myth was the name of the book.
Actually, that book was never actually published.
I have a private copy of it.
That's what did it for me because that added the dimension of Of the history of the reptilians on their planet.
I was able to then put it all together and that made all the difference in the world.
Once we understand the reptilians and their origins, begin to understand what they're doing here and why.
And then that connected the dots for me.
That made me decide to do this.
Okay, and you do talk quite a bit about, at least in the beginning of the book, you give a backstory to the reptilians.
Do you want to give us a bit of the backstory for the listeners?
Well, Morning Sky got the story from his father, who got it from his father, because an alien craft crashed on the reservation.
He was an Apache, Native American, and...
The grandfather passed it on to the father, and his father passed it on to Morning Sky.
And that's how he got the information.
And Morning Sky eventually got a degree, he got a master's degree in religious studies.
But every time he tried to tell a publisher about this story, they laughed at him.
So finally he gave up and just put it all down in this book.
And Decided to go on to other things.
And right now he's very hard to even get a hold of.
He's very hard to reach.
He doesn't answer emails.
He doesn't answer phone calls.
Right.
I was briefly in touch with him.
I had invited him on the show.
He did write, I think, the Terra Papers.
Didn't he write those?
He did write the Terra Papers, and they were published.
Terra Papers were published in 1980.
Let's see.
Terra Papers in 1980.
He wrote a book called The Terror Project in 1980.
The Terror Papers, A Hidden History of Planet Earth.
Yes.
Right.
And that's available on the internet, actually.
Yes, it is.
I think it's free.
You can download the PDF. You know, fascinating stuff.
And a lot of it comes from his Native American background, from the, I guess, you know, the verbal history that they passed down in the tribe.
Yeah.
And so on.
So you built your sort of the basis for your book.
Is that right on that?
And didn't you have another primary sort of source for your book?
For the history of the reptilians?
Yes, more or less.
No.
You did use Stuart Swerdlow for a lot of material.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, that's the other person that I recall that you did refer to his work a lot.
So when you used these two people's work, did you meet them and have meetings with them and talk with them, or did you just read their books or what?
As I told you, I could not get a hold of Robert Morningstar.
It was absolutely impossible.
Oh, well, I didn't know...
You know, if this was recent or not.
I have interviewed somebody that knew him very well and knows him very well.
Apollo, Joseph Apollo.
I don't know if you know who he is.
He teaches courses here in Phoenix.
And he knew Robert Morning Sky and tried to put me in touch with him, but we both gave up after a while.
Okay.
But Apollo knows the whole story, and he and I talked about it at length.
And I used a lot of information from him.
In the book.
Okay, and and then as far as for Morning Sky.
Okay, and as far as Swerd Logos, did you meet him and did you?
Yeah, I talked to Stuart and I talked to him.
I never met him in person, but I talked with him a lot on the phone and through email and at one point He was going to write the foreword, but then I realized that that wouldn't work too well because I was he was mentioned so much in the book and So we skipped that.
But yes, I have talked to Stuart at length.
Okay, and so in terms of how do you evaluate your information?
Because this is, you've really bitten off sort of a great deal in order to tell this story.
You're going back in history and you're sort of mixing and matching various incidents that happened in history and then you're sort of Harking back to what I guess is the Morningstar and Swerdlow information and sort of tying it together, would you agree?
Are you asking me what I rely on to...
Yeah, you know, to evaluate the truth and what kind of moves you to select the sources you do, etc.
It's primarily intuition.
It's a matter of connecting the dots.
In other words, if I have perhaps...
30 unconnected dots in my mind that have not been connected and then I come across information that connects them up and all of a sudden they all snap in place, then the whole story becomes clear to me.
And that's how I wrote all the articles for Atlantis Rising and for New Dawn Magazine in New Zealand and for all three books.
And there's a point in my investigations Where I become convinced of the veracity of what I'm doing.
And when I reach that point, then I expand upon it with other research, and then it all falls together.
That's how I operate.
That's how I do it.
Okay.
I guess you could say I'm mainly intuitive, if you want to put it that way.
Sure, I understand.
Now, in terms of the overall story, your premise on the book is that reptilians are, in essence, running things behind the scene.
Would that be what you would say?
I would say the reptilians and the greys are running things behind the scenes, mainly through the Illuminati.
And, of course, our contacts are with the Illuminati because the reptilians stay hidden.
Unless they happen to shape-shift once in a while.
But their technology is awesome, and that's why I wrote the first four chapters, because I wanted the reader to understand how far advanced they were in terms of being way ahead of us, technologically speaking, and also genetically speaking.
You know, it becomes impossible to understand how they could have pulled this off without knowing their background.
And so I needed those first four chapters to establish how far they had come and how far back their technology goes thousands of years.
And a lot of that information I also got from Alex Collier.
So it was not only Morning Sky, it was Alex Collier, it was Branton, it was Wes Penray, it was James Bartley, and it was several others.
And it all congealed And I began to realize that this was all correct information.
Okay.
Now, some of this information is, of course, open to conjecture and so on.
Everything we're involved in is open to conjecture.
Yeah.
Did you look at the work of Zachariah Sitchin on the way as well?
I did.
And how did that fit in?
I have a lot of issues with Sitchin.
Okay.
If you've read my book, you know that my account of where the human race comes from differs radically from his.
Okay, so do you want to sort of explain, you know, as briefly as possible, what your theory is on where the human race comes from?
I think Sitchin talked about the fact that the human race was created to dig gold out of the...
Out of the soil in South Africa.
They were created by the Anunnaki, correctly, just to dig up the gold, correct?
More or less what he said.
That they needed a slave race to do that because the extraterrestrials didn't want to do it themselves.
Is that the essence of...
Well, I think his comes from the Sumerian tablets.
I think there is some...
There's more complexity to it than that because there were also, from what I understand, there was a version of humanity already on the planet that then they genetically sort of altered.
But, yeah, there's some confusion on that level because created humanity is a whole other ballgame.
So it's unclear.
My understanding is that Sitchin is talking about the Anunnaki altering the version of humanity that was here and then possibly genetically putting in their own genetics and so on to create.
I don't think he was talking about humans.
He was talking about apes that were genetically modified, wasn't he?
Uh, not necessarily, uh, from what I understand.
Um, you know, I, I don't, I'm not an expert on the Sumerian tablets and how they refer to humans at that point.
And, uh, I tend to go by what's called the Ashina Dean, uh, information that comes from what she calls the guardians.
Uh, Which is a bit different than all of this information.
So it's, you know, I have more than one version in my mind.
But as far as Sitchin goes, like I said, I think that he relies on the end key as a geneticist and as taking the race of beings that were here, whether they were, what level they were at.
I don't think they were literally apes.
That's not my understanding.
Okay.
Well, in any case...
The story that I have put together, mostly from people like Sperdlow and Branton and others, is that the human race was created genetically through combinations of DNA by the Federation.
The Federation was behind the creation of humanity, and that happened about 40,000 to 50,000 years ago.
The so-called Garden of Eden occurred at that point.
And that was basically done because the Federation wanted to create a race that would occupy this planet, inhabit this planet and more or less confront the reptilians on this planet and more or less save this particular planet from reptilian control and therefore the whole solar system.
Okay.
Is your information, does that have to do with the notion that at a certain point a reptilian brain, the reptilian race, contributed the reptilian portion of the human brain in order to keep humanity from, you know, allowing them to defend themselves in essence?
Well, I think that the reason the reptilians, the human race was created as a result of The Council of Hatona, which I think you know about.
And 12 human races were involved in the DNA, contributing their DNA. But the reptilians were involved in the arrangement because they already inhabited the planet here.
So they had a say in the final product, so to speak.
What they contributed was the reptilian brain because they wanted their DNA in the new That was being created so that the creatures could be controlled from the fourth dimension.
If that hadn't been the case, it would not have been able to control them from the fourth dimension because the reptilians basically inhabit the fourth dimension, which we know really as the lower astral realm.
So that's how the reptilian brain got in the deal and the Elohim agreed to that arrangement Because they understood that it wouldn't make any difference.
That what they had in mind for the human race would still work out because they would be able to tweak it over the years and bring it down to what we now know as Homo sapiens sapiens.
So it was all put together that way.
Okay, that's sort of an interesting twist on a version of the story that I have, which is all good.
There are lots of versions out there.
Now, in writing this book and putting together all the sources and so on, have you had a good reception to the book, and are you trying to get it made into a movie or any of this sort of thing?
Yes, there has been a good reception to the book.
Actually, this would have to be a very long movie.
This does not have enough dramatic impact to become a movie.
It's just too disjointed, really.
We're talking about a period stretching over hundreds of thousands of years.
Sure.
Even Star Wars could not do that.
Right, but the main, at least backbone of your book, which is really in the second part of the title, is all about the reptilian sort of drive to sort of control humanity, in essence, and how it manifests is...
As you follow a trail that goes through these various incidents historically, right?
Linking up.
Hitler is the most obvious reptilian link-up, but there are certainly others.
Japan, you talk at length about Japan and their various wars and so on.
In other words, there is a sort of trail that you're following, correct?
Yes.
Yes, that's correct.
And a lot of it has to do with Egypt, ancient Egypt, which I did cover, but I had to cover it briefly.
Yeah, not as much as, you know, from what I saw in the book.
I... I've read almost all of it.
I'm really close to the end at this point.
But in your trail that you were following, your premise is that Hitler was basically reptilian, etc.
Were you looking at these various renditions of humanity as being genetically a certain reptilian DNA increasing in, say, the Illuminati and So on, that is then responsible for certain things happening throughout history.
Is this, you know, and the Fourth Reich coming into basically following the whole trail of paperclip, you know, the Nazi scientists and the whole thing.
Because it is also interesting because William Tompkins does...
You know meet you at a certain point with his information and I don't know if you had known about his information prior to your book or not.
Actually I did meet him at a presentation that I gave on Serpo in Orange County and we had a long talk roughly about 30 minutes but I didn't know and he was very much interested in what I was doing and now I see that it does all fall together.
And he is much more informed on the subject than I am because he was in the intelligence, he was in naval intelligence such a long time.
So when you met him, had he already got started to, was this recently or was this a few years ago?
This was a few years ago when I gave a presentation on SERPO at the Orange County Mufon.
Oh, I see.
He had dinner afterwards and Tompkins was at the dinner.
Alright, so that's very interesting.
So he was out on the circuit, I guess, kind of investigating things at that point.
He wasn't talking on the circuit, is that right?
As far as I know, he was not at that point.
Okay.
So have you followed any of his revelations?
Have you seen my interview and so on with him?
I've seen your interview and I haven't I haven't read his book yet, Selected by Extraterrestrials, but I've read part of it, scanned it, and I know more or less what his premise is, and we do seem to meet on a lot of subjects.
Yeah.
I think we're in tune on a lot of subjects, yeah.
But he was not a source, obviously, then.
No, he's not.
I just had a brief conversation with him a few years ago, that's all.
All right.
I was very pleased to see that he More or less came out with the same idea that I did, the same information that I did.
I haven't gotten to the very end of your book.
I don't know if you talk about Antarctica.
Did you happen to get into Antarctica towards the end?
No, but I have a whole chapter on Antarctica in my very first book, The Secret History of Extraterrestrials.
I'm sorry, in my second book.
I have a whole chapter devoted to what happened in Antarctica.
Now, what's interesting, though, about Tompkins and Corey Goode is that they are talking now about pre-Adamic, the pre-Adamic race, because I believe that the bodies they found there, they were pre-Adamic, because they all sort of had strange-looking bodies, more like ignotin, correct?
And they had the elongated skulls, as far as I know.
Okay, so they would be Anunnaki.
Well, let's just say pre-Adamic.
Okay.
You know, I have some difficulty with the whole Anunnaki concept, which we can talk about later.
Oh, all right.
Yeah, yeah.
Because I'm not into the whole Nibiru thing.
As you probably know from reading my book, I believe that the aliens that we're talking about came from Sirius.
And, of course, the reptilians came from Draco.
But as far as the Nibiru concept is concerned, I still have many, many questions about that.
Well, actually, that does get into a certain area that I do remember from the earlier part of your book, which has to do with what are, in essence, the dog beings or wolf beings, whatever you call them, you know, the canines.
Canine, yeah.
Canine.
And I saw that you felt that there were battles between, in essence, the dog races and the reptilians.
I had never heard that and I actually am not so sure your conclusions are correct there but I was wondering do you want to talk a little bit about that because that's a quite of an interesting twist and I think that came did it come from Morningstar as I recall?
Yes, that did come from Morningsky, yes.
Yeah, Morningsky, I'm sorry.
It did come from him.
He talked about A race of beings that were canine, that were more or less evolved from a canine source, a wolf type of thing, in the Sirius star system.
Right.
They began to challenge the reptilian empire.
And the queens of Orion, the reptilian queens, were not happy with this.
And invited them into an alliance, or she told them they were going to be destroyed.
Right.
They were a very fierce race on their own, and they had conquered many star systems on their own because they were so ruthless, and so they actually ate human flesh, just like the reptilians do.
So it was going to be quite a contest between the two of them.
The Queen gave them a very short Interval to make a decision.
And they took their time.
The clock ticked and they hadn't said yes or no.
And that's when the reptilians attacked and destroyed almost all of their spacecraft and hundreds of thousands of entities.
And finally they said, yes, okay, we'll join you.
And so that became what we know as the alliance between the Syrians, the Sirius, the Wolfen, Aliens and the serpent race from Draco.
Okay.
And then in terms of the Anunnaki, what is your issue with them?
Well, you know, I've talked to Sasha Lesson about the Anunnaki in much detail, in great length, and my understanding is that they are from Nibiru, right?
A planet which...
It enters our solar system every 3,500 years, correct?
Every 3,600 years?
You know, it depends where you get your source information, but it's certainly on a very elongated orbit.
Whether that's their only planet is also, you know, a good question.
And I also would be curious what your understanding is about the Germans and those from Aldebaran who are said to have helped them And their relationship to the reptilians.
But before we get to that, let's sort of deal with this.
So the longheads, what they're called the longheads, there are many longhead skeletons being found all over the world now.
So there is documentation that they exist.
Is your issue that they don't come from Nabooru?
Well, I don't know where they come from.
They were found in Antarctica, were they not?
They've been found all over the planet.
I know, and they've been kept secret and locked up in museums.
Sure.
Why have they been kept secret for so long?
Well, I mean, that gets back into the Sitchin Sumerian tablets, I would assume, and the fact that they're trying also to rule the planet and to be hidden in the meanwhile.
And according to at least Bob Dean, there are still plenty of Anunnaki that are, in essence, walking the halls of the Pentagon, as he put it.
So, Anunnaki, they are a race of beings, but whether they come only from Nibiru and what Nibiru, where Nibiru is and what its path is, these are all different questions.
So, in essence, you don't follow the Nibiru, you don't believe Nibiru is headed back into our solar system, I take it?
No, I don't have a problem with that.
I don't have a problem with that, but my understanding in talking to Sasha Lesson, who you may know, Sasha has written many books on the Anunnaki.
My understanding is that they are similar to the Draco, to the Reptilians.
Is that your understanding, too?
Well, there is a split, from what I understand.
There is a group called the Syrian Anunnaki who are...
Much more reptilian DNA. In essence, the reptilians, this also comes from William Tompkins, who he says they're in essence kind of like marauders.
They go throughout the solar system, basically plundering all the different planets and trying to take them over and control them.
So at one point they did take over the Anunnaki and interbred with them.
As they always manage to do some form or fashion of that, which is genetically, you know, modifying them, etc.
So that's my understanding that the Anunnaki were perhaps humanoid, the original race, but that now they are probably a hybrid race of humanoid and reptilian, which is not unlike what some of our Illuminati are.
Although probably to different degrees, I think perhaps they are, at least the Syrian Anunnaki are much more, they look much more reptilian and conduct themselves that way.
But that's my understanding, is that they do have a humanoid basis for their race.
But Anunnaki is an imprecise term, so we're using it, or I use it, because it's used in the Sitchin material to refer to The race that came into Egypt and so on.
So it's, you know, it gets involved.
I have a lot of problems.
I have a lot of problems with the whole Anunnaki subject and concept.
Okay, what race?
The race from Sirius was not reptilian by nature.
They were canines.
You know, the so-called dog star.
Well, there actually are, I mean, many races from Sirius, from what I understand.
Isn't Sirius a constellation?
We're talking there are many planets.
Yes, Sirius A and Sirius B. Yes, so there's even humans have also occupied, from what I understand, Sirius B to some degree.
I mean, it gets very involved, and we're not going to arrive at a decision here tonight, but I am curious.
So you don't follow the story, let's say, the story of the It's a general story that people refer to when they talk about Anunnaki.
But you do acknowledge there is a race of beings who have elongated skulls, right?
Absolutely, and those are the ones that I would term pre-Adamic.
And I think that Corey Goode is also calling them pre-Adamic.
Okay, that just means before Adam.
If Adam is their creation, then that kind of doesn't say really anything.
Well, that ties in with my concept that the human race, as we know it, was Adamic.
The race that we just discussed that was created in the Garden of Eden, so-called, was put together through the DNA of 12 human civilizations.
Right.
But the Anunnaki did not fit into that picture.
Okay, so you don't believe, do you not believe the Sumerian tablet story about Enki and Enlil?
Do you not think they were geneticists, or that Enki was a geneticist?
Do you not buy into that part?
I know, I do believe that, but I don't think they were Anarnaki.
They came from the Sirius star system, but I don't view them as either reptilian or dog-like, actually.
They were...
Human, they were humanoid.
Yeah, I would agree that they were humanoid.
They're actually a mixture because we also get the reptilians depicted.
If you look on the temples in Egypt and Iran and other places, you know, you can see the way they're depicted as humanoid.
They have, you know, at least in terms of Iraq and Iran, They've got beards and, you know, they're wearing long, you know, outfits.
Yeah, and why do you term those as Anunnaki?
Why do you apply the Anunnaki term to those representations?
Because they're the very tall beings who are holding humans on their laps in these depictions, and this is around the time when all this happened.
In essence, you know, the...
This all happened in Iraq and Egypt and also down in Africa.
You know, the story goes, this is all the Sumerian tablet stuff.
You know, so whether you, you know, I understand they can be open to interpretation and that a lot of people have issue with the way that Sitchin interpreted them.
So you acknowledge there's a race of beings who had some role in the past.
Do you feel that they genetically interfered with humanity, that race, or not?
No, I don't think so.
I included a paragraph on the Anunnaki in my book.
Because I really have no concept of who they were or why they were here.
All that I was able to determine from the Morning Sky material was that we had a race of fierce beings from the Sirius star system, and that's my understanding of where Enlio and Enki came from, not from Nibiru.
Okay.
They came from Sirius.
But you don't think they were dogs or reptilians, though?
No, I don't think so.
No.
Okay.
Now, as far as the story of humanity and the 12 races, so, you know, each of them contributing a certain amount to the creation of the human as we know them now.
Right.
I assume.
Yes.
So when you go back to your, to what you kind of, the overview, while you were writing this book and all these years you've been involved in this, have you been approached by individuals from the Secret Space Program or from, you know, intelligence agencies or whatever who have tried to give you information?
No, not at all.
Okay.
Tom Gibbs is the only one I've spoken to.
That was a brief conversation.
Wow.
That's about it.
Okay.
So in terms of your book and where you're at now, this was quite a...
Quite a really, you know, very involved story that you try to tell, and you're pulling a lot of disparate elements together.
And I have to say, it's an admirable job that you've got here, you know, trying to get a through line, which is not easy, obviously, through human history.
You say you covered Antarctica many years ago, but did you wrap that into your understanding of paperclip and, you know, and...
New Berlin, what's called a base underground, you know, underwater, under Antarctica base called New Berlin.
I knew that the Nazis had established the under ice base in 1938, and it came very clear to me that they had already been dealing with the reptilians, Hitler had at least, and therefore they were invited, most likely, to By the reptilians to build that base in 1938.
I can't imagine why they would have ever done that one year before World War II. I mean, as if you think they had enough on their hands getting ready for World War II in 1939, why are they diverting all these resources to Antarctica, which is, what, 5,000, 6,000 miles away across the ocean?
Right.
Sending scientists and sending all kinds of people.
So it became clear to me that they were dealing with some under...
Some reptilian colony already existing under Antarctica.
They would never have done that.
They never would have.
And they were being helped by the reptilians to do that.
Okay, so fast forward to today, and we've had, you know, obviously John Kerry going down there during the election, and I'm sure you've heard all the stories, right?
Yes.
So do you have any thoughts about all that?
Well, I think that Corey...
Corey is suggesting or is taking the position that Antarctica might have been Atlantis.
Okay, I'm not sure.
I have heard that theory, and actually I have had that thought myself, but I don't think it came from Corey Goode initially.
It's been out there in various forms.
That's right, it has been.
I wrote about it as an article for Atlantis Rising several years ago.
Okay.
yeah half goods half goods theories but the entities that they found there the frozen bodies that they found there aren't they sort of don't they all have elongated skulls I I don't know for sure.
First of all, I don't think we would know, because I think they're going to lie, but I don't know what's being claimed.
In that regard.
Well, it doesn't affect my theory, though, because if they were pre-Adamic, my story is all about what happened from the Garden of Eden onward.
And the only pre-Adamic race that I've dealt with in my book is Atlantis.
And the humans that populated Atlantis, according to my information, came from Mars, originally from the Pleiades, But through Mars.
And they were sent here by the Federation.
And they were tall humans.
They were very tall.
They were very large.
So they were pre-Adamic also.
But they were entirely human.
So the entire Atlantean story is pre-Adamic.
Yeah, I don't...
Maybe I'm not remembering correctly.
I don't think you covered much of Atlantis in your book, did you?
I have devoted a whole chapter to it.
Okay, yeah.
Because I've read it at different periods, so I don't know why that kind of...
I don't recall how that fits into your picture.
Atlantis is the key to the whole thing.
It's a very important subject.
Okay, go ahead.
Can you want to sort of tell how it's the key in your view?
Well, putting it all together, when the reptilians arrived in this solar system, they destroyed Maldek.
They stripped Mars off, some of the atmosphere off Mars, forcing the Martians, who were humans, to go underground.
And when they got to Earth, they went into a joint mutual orbiter.
They orbited Earth and had the ability to actually dry out the planet, which was...
Earth was, at that point, one big ocean, according to...
Swerdlow and according to some of the others.
And two continents emerged after that.
One was Lemuria and one was Atlantis.
And the reptilians colonized Lemuria.
And they lived on Lemuria for thousands of years.
And since they had already brought the dinosaurs with them, which they used for a food source, that was the origin of the dinosaurs.
Well, at that point, the Federation wanted to challenge the reptilian control of this planet.
So they sent this fierce race of humans from the Pleiades, who were originally from Lyra, called the Atlans, to this planet, and they colonized the continent, which became the continent of Atlantis.
Okay, yeah, now I remember your book.
That started the wars between the reptilians and the Atlanteans.
Okay, so that's how you saw it.
Okay, now your source for your information about Atlantis comes from where?
Ignatius Donnelly was a good source, but I really felt that I had to use Steve Omar.
Steve Omar seemed to be the best source, and he's the one I used.
Okay.
Because Donnelly didn't go far enough.
Omar seemed to have a good grasp of the whole situation.
I met Steve at Contact in the Desert.
We talked about it at length after I'd written it already.
And he more or less validated everything I had written and everything that we talked about.
All right.
Well, very interesting.
So in terms of writing your book and all of these things, Various subjects, they all lead to what is in essence today and what is the fourth right.
What is your position as to what's going on right now?
Well, first of all, the reason I concentrated on Hitler and on Hirohito was I wanted to make sure that I conveyed the cruelty of the reptilians because I tried to make the point that all the reptilians had to do In World War II was to control a few people.
That's all.
Hirohito, Hitler, Mussolini, and also in World War I, it was the Kaiser.
In order to get what they wanted done, they did not have to control the entire human race.
Because Hirohito was such a powerful figure, a few words from him could change anything, could do anything they wanted to with Japan.
Same thing with Hitler.
So I was trying to make the point of how the reptilians operate when they decided that they want to create a war.
That was the main reason I spent so much time on those two subjects.
But that being the case, having made the point that the reptilians were behind the Nazis and had supplied them with technology for the For the anti-gravity aircraft and for a lot of the other advanced technology that the Nazis had, especially genetically speaking.
Mengele, all the work Mengele was doing and Auschwitz, all of that was through reptilian contact, as far as I was concerned.
It just didn't spring from nowhere.
And I made the same point more or less with Hirohito.
Well, the point then became, how did the Nazi influence spread to America?
The publisher wanted to know that, I wanted to know that.
We had to cover that, and it became very clear that Paperclip was the source.
And I covered Paperclip in great depth, just as I could.
It was the key to how the Nazis influenced the CIA and Our whole scientific and military establishment.
And that was what Eisenhower had warned us about.
Right.
Well, I actually have a person who I've interviewed called Michael Shrimpton who is claiming that Eisenhower, whether he's right or wrong, I don't know, but that the Germans are still heavily involved in trying to sort of Trace and control what goes on here on the planet.
And he leaves it to a German secret society that came from the Abwehr, the Hitler, you know, one of the secret societies, secret, I mean, agencies that was involved in World War II. And now has become known as what he calls the DVD for short,
and it stands for, I can't pronounce the names it stands for, but at any rate, he thinks that Eisenhower, Dulles, certainly, I think you've got some idea that Dulles was a reptilian, that some of these people are already, were very aligned already with what Germany was doing, what Germany was about, and very possibly with the reptilian's Yeah, I think Alan Dulles was influenced by them.
I don't know if he himself was a shapeshifter or I don't think he was a blue blood.
I made the point about the blue blood.
But we can't go any further with this without talking about the civilization that is living under Antarctica.
The Germans that live there, you've interviewed people about that, haven't you?
New Berlin.
Yeah, we have a manuscript from A person who was an escapee, and this is many, many years ago before certain other people came to the fore and started talking about all of this, we had this information.
But yeah, it has been out there for quite a number of years.
I think there was even, you know, I mean, we're talking going back in ufology many, many years now.
Well, have you heard about the book named Genesis by Leith, L-E-I-T-H? I think I have that book.
You know, people send me books constantly, so I think I might have that one.
According to that book, which cites a tremendous amount of sources in that book, the German colony living under Antarctica goes back thousands of years.
There was a large German colony, Germanic, if you want to call them Germanic, and actually...
Many of the Nazis were going back and forth from there to Germany.
So they were welcomed with open arms.
The Nazis were welcomed with open arms by that civilization living under the ice in Antarctica.
Is that your understanding too?
How far back it goes, you know, I don't think I've read this book called Genesis about this story, so I don't know, but I think I, for some reason, I think it was sent to me.
You know, I don't, no, I'm not aware of the, it depends, you know, because when you start talking about Antarctica, if you're talking about Atlantis, if you're talking about a piece of Atlantis, even...
That possibly shifted down and became Antarctica.
Then you have to talk about who was in Atlantis, you know, and all that.
And so, no, not per se, not under those circumstances.
You know, my understanding about the new Berlin base and what was established in Antarctica was the Nazis going down there in that era.
Whether or not there was an ancient German civilization under Antarctica, that I don't know, aside from New Berlin.
Well, New Berlin is a city.
I know that.
Yes, yes, absolutely.
But I would say that this is, you know, obviously established by the Nazis and by the reptilians.
And so we have those from Aldebaran that were influencing the Germans as well.
And Who do appear to have, to be, I've been told they're humanoid, but they seem to have sort of reptilian characteristics, and they are fascist, I've been told.
Right.
Well, I think the Aldebaran story has to do with Maria Orsic, right?
That's what you're talking about?
Well, yes.
I mean, she was one of the contacts.
Didn't she open the portal?
Didn't she open a portal, an electromagnetic portal to Aldebaran?
Well, it probably would be the group who were responsible, if you want to say, of opening that portal.
But she was a contactee, certainly.
Some people believe that she actually went through that portal and ended up in Aldebaran.
That was your goal right from the beginning.
Well, that the women that were part of that group.
The real women.
Yes, that they supposedly all left at a certain point.
Yeah, they all disappeared at one point.
So they were speculating that perhaps that's what they did.
So if you're relating that to an off-planet race, that's different than just saying that older Germans were living under Antarctica before Hitler went down there.
Well, I think the book by Leith does say that, and it's a very convincing book.
He does cite a lot of sources for his information.
The city of New Berlin could not have grown to 2 million people just from ex-Nazis alone.
That's not possible.
That's a very large city, 2 million people.
Right.
Well, like I say, I don't know whether we're talking about beings from...
You know, from Draco and beings from Aldebaran.
I don't know what it's comprised of.
I know.
It does get confusing on that issue.
Yeah.
So, but in terms of today and the discoveries that are being made down there and maybe just the scenario, can you paint a scenario that in terms of the, you know, I guess you, I can't, I haven't gotten to the very end, but do you wrap the bushes into this scenario?
Well, the Bushes, as far as I was concerned, had only to do with Nazi Germany, because Herbert Walker Bush's father, Prescott Bush, was involved in the financing of the Nazi Party.
Right.
And I did make that point in the book.
But as far as having anything to do with the Antarctic colony, I don't know if there was any connection at all.
Okay, what about Wernher von Braun?
Well, von Braun was definitely in the SS, no question about it.
And they expunged his connection with the SS. I made a big point of that, how those Nazi information was expunged from the records by the paperclip people.
Right.
And they were cleaned up, and von Braun was one of them.
But since he wasn't involved in anything radical, he wasn't a real...
involved in racial hatreds or any of that, he was a scientist, basically.
He was acceptable.
He was acceptable to the Project Overcast and the Project Paperclip people and to the OSS. So they cleaned up his record and they sent him to NASA. Right.
So I guess what I'm trying to do here is get you to sort of take everything that you've written about in your book and bring it up to the present day and involve with sort of the space program and NASA at this time and where you think things are going on.
And sort of how they lay out from there, because you know, of course, of the Nazi involvement in Argentina as a jumping off point to Antarctica, I assume.
So, you know, von Braun was also in constant contact with Argentina, we know that much, while he was working for the space program.
Yeah, so do you have any thoughts or have you...
I don't know if you're working on another book.
Are you looking at the present day and the future in light of what you've written?
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
You know, Hitler, I did make...
I did devote a chapter to the fact that Hitler survived and escaped to Argentina.
Yes.
And that explains why he named Karl Dernitz...
Admiral Karl Dönes to succeed him because Dönes was in charge of the submarine fleet.
And it's a short submarine ride from Patagonia to Antarctica.
So it was clear that they were going back and forth.
Hitler built his house in Argentina in 1943.
And I went into the whole business with Juan Perón and Eva Perón and all of that and Bormann.
Yes, I did talk about that at length.
Okay, but I'm still trying to kind of get you to talk about today.
So do you have any thoughts about where we're at now with everything you've written in mind?
It became clear to me that the Nazis had infiltrated America in many ways, scientifically, corporations, and since there was so much German Nazi influence here, It became clear that the reptilians had established a foothold here through the Nazis.
Because they were in the CIA. They were in our corporations.
They were on a defense project.
So, you know, they're still there.
Their descendants are still there.
Right.
Okay, so...
That means that reptilian influence still exists in America.
Mm-hmm.
And those people are in the same category as the Illuminati.
So America is heavily influenced by the reptilians that way.
And what about Japan?
I'm sorry.
Well, what's the question exactly about Japan?
Well, if America is influenced by the reptilians, isn't Japan?
You spent quite a long time on how really reptilian...
Their influences are.
And so assuming that they have made it here today in the United States, I assume they're also very present in Japan.
Yes, I think throughout the globe, through all the highly technical nations, the U.S., Canada, the U.K., Japan.
China?
Yes.
Okay, so just out of curiosity, because one of the things you said is that you thought that humanity was created by a group who, it's sort of a different take on the way I look at it, but anything is valid, so...
Depending on where you come from and how you want to look at it.
But the Federation seems to have made a gross error if they thought that humanity would be able to overcome the reptilian influence, at least thus far.
Wouldn't it seem?
Or what's your premise on that?
The Federation did not make a gross error.
The Federation is working on the only solution to the reptilian problem.
Which I think you know what it is.
Because I think you've talked about it.
Okay, well what's your take on that?
The only solution to the reptilian problem is for the human race to expand its consciousness.
That's all it has to do.
And the Federation is working on that.
They have been working on it ever since the Enlightenment.
But you see, it's not a mass movement.
They're individuals.
It can only be done through individuals because as soon as it becomes a group, the greys and the reptilians can wipe it out easily.
But as long as it stays distributed throughout the globe, then it can operate.
And as the human race expands its consciousness, which it can do because only the human race has the ability to reach into the fifth and sixth dimension, the reptilians are limited to the fourth dimension.
We are more powerful than they are, and they are afraid of us.
They are afraid of us.
They know that, and that's why they try to keep us dumb and dumber.
That's the reason for keeping us distracted and hypnotized and working for a living and enslaved through debt.
But as the human race comes out of that fog and starts to realize its power that it has, Then the game is over.
The game is over because they can't deal with us when we expand our consciousness.
They can't.
And I made that point in the final appendix in the book called The Path to Victory.
Have you read that?
No, no, you know, I'm actually back in the Borman stuff.
That's where I am.
Yeah, so I haven't made it quite that far.
I'm really, it's towards the end, I know that, but no, I haven't.
But at any rate, that's okay.
It's an idea that I am familiar with.
So...
At the moment, in terms of, you know, the way you wrap the book up, you're basically saying that in spite of the reptilian influence on planet Earth, that humanity will.
Do you believe that they're going to ascend or do you believe they will just beat down the reptilian influence eventually?
Or what's your premise on that?
As the human race advances spiritually and its consciousness, then the reptilians are more or less done for it.
And they just have to leave the planet.
The Illuminati will be put under arrest, I believe.
All the primary ones will be.
The banking monopoly will be destroyed because it's through money that they control us and through the media.
And eventually, we're going to dispossess the reptilians from this planet.
I have no doubt about it.
And we're going to enter into the Star Trek generation.
And we will become a Star Trek planet.
We'll be cruising our spaceships all over the galaxy, just like the reptilians.
Okay.
Well, hopefully not just like the reptilians, because then we really would be influenced by them.
But nonetheless...
Hopefully we will try to free the slaves that are on the star system.
Okay.
All right.
And one last question, and then I'm going to really go to the chat and let people ask you questions as well before we wrap this up.
As I recall, and correct me if I'm wrong, I thought you talked about the mantis beings and their role somewhere back there alongside the reptilians.
And did you, am I mistaken in remembering that or thinking I remember that?
The only place I mentioned the Mantis Beings was in my second book on Serpo because the astronauts who went to Serpo did encounter Mantis Beings.
That's the only time I mentioned it.
All right.
Okay.
Well, and have you ever talked to Simon Parks or are you aware of his work in that area?
Yeah, I have read some of his material and I like a lot of what he says, yes.
I believe he does...
Does he claim to be derived from Mantis being himself?
Yes.
He feels that he is.
I have no position on that.
I don't know what to make of that.
Okay.
Sure.
Alright, well, you know, it's a fascinating study and it's a great effort, this book, quite extensive, you know, biting off a lot of material to kind of get all in one place.
So I am going to go through the chat and see if there's any questions here.
But before I do, is there anything about your book that you want to cover, you know, to sort of encourage people to read it and also If I haven't asked you a question about something and you want to talk about it, feel free.
Well, there's many things in that category.
One of the main things I would like the reader to understand is the importance of Atlantis in our history and where it comes from and what it's all about because it was a turning point.
And then to understand how we have been distracted and made dumb and dumber in order to keep us away from Our true destiny.
That's all.
That's my main point.
That's the main point in my book.
And most of that is wrapped up in that final appendix, Appendix C in the book.
Okay.
All right.
That's very interesting.
So let's see.
Someone...
I'm going to grab some questions here, if you don't mind.
Are you up for that?
Sure.
Okay, and we'll just do this for a half hour or so and then wrap everything up.
So it looks like, I'm just going to grab, someone wants to know how do we get to the next dimension?
According to what Kyla said in that last appendix in my book, it has to do with focusing your attention on the highest thing you can imagine.
The great teachers, the Buddha, Jesus, and identifying with what they were trying to get across.
It doesn't necessarily require that you adopt any particular religion.
Just that you project your mind as high as you can.
Listening to classical music helps, things like that.
There are many ways, there are many techniques for doing it.
But as more and more people do that, the 100th monkey concept will kick in eventually, and it will spread throughout the globe.
Okay.
Let's see.
Someone over here is asking, do you believe there are blue beings from the Zeta system?
Zeta Reticuli?
Are you talking about the blue avians?
I'm not sure what this person is referring to, actually.
I just see them asking that question.
Now, from my point of view, I've heard stories about blue, what are grays, what we would term grays, except they're blue, and supposedly...
There's a, I forget his name, but he's in, I think it's New Zealand, there's a whistleblower or a, you know, experiencer who talks about his contact with those beings.
There are also what are called the Syrian blues, who are a lot like, now I forget her name, but in, you know, the X-Men, the woman who looks, is all in blue.
She's humanoid, so there is a humanoid blue race as well.
It brings to mind, who was the Hindu god that was all blue?
I can't remember.
It was Vishnu, I believe.
Had blue skin.
Yes.
You know, people are talking about the fact that this new movie, Guardians of the Galaxy 2, incorporates a lot of concepts that we're talking about.
Does it?
They do it in a strange, funny way, nevertheless.
Right.
It's something that...
People could find some interesting information out.
Okay.
I don't know about Blue Beans, though.
I have no knowledge about that.
Someone here is saying Werner von Braun did have many slaves.
I guess what they mean by that is that as part of the working on the space program for the Nazis, they employed slaves to do their labor on the spacecraft, etc.
I talked about Camp Doran.
When the Americans got to Camp Dora and saw hundreds of thousands of deads laying in front of the entrance and realized how they had worked all those people to death and starved them to death and killed them after they were no longer productive, Von Dornberger and Von Vaughan had to be involved in that.
I mean, at least they had to know about it.
Yeah, that's always a problem.
In essence, what von Braun allowed to happen on his watch, so to speak, and whether or not he had indeed any ability or control over protesting and whether or not that would mean sudden death or certain death, I don't know.
I think he was mainly a scientist.
That was his main interest, and he just had to go along with the program.
I don't think he had any choice, really.
We wouldn't have gotten anywhere as a scientist.
They wouldn't have allowed him if he hadn't become a Nazi.
He had to join the SS before they would let him do what he wanted to do.
Yeah, and we have many scientists, by the way, today that are working on black projects to keep their mouths shut.
And they probably are involved in all sorts of inhumane endeavors.
Uh, let's see.
Someone's asking, why are there no alien sightings in countries like India and Pakistan?
Actually, there are, uh, sightings in, in, certainly in India.
I'm not so sure about Pakistan.
Uh, but I, I know that India has sightings.
And in fact, I, I interviewed somebody, um, Bodhigaya.
She's, uh, she's a woman who lived in India and, uh, you know, was studying, uh, I think she's actually...
Her original nationality is from...
God, where is she from?
You know, the place where the Dracula is...
Oh, yeah.
Romania.
I think she's actually Romanian or something like that by birth, but she lived there and she had a very pronounced ET experience.
I interview her along with Barry King.
If you want to look for the interview, you could probably put in...
Well, it's called Bodegaia.
I'm sure there are sightings all over the world.
But, you know, one thing to keep in mind about this...
Now, you know, there are MUFON-type organizations all over the world.
Yes.
So I know that there are sightings, but, you know, the thing to keep in mind is this.
Who are going to be flying these spaceships, these flying saucers?
They're not going to be the reptilians because they live here.
This is their own.
They live underground here.
You might see one or two ships up there from the reptilians, but most of them are going to be probably from the Federation.
And they're not going to appear unless there's a point to it.
So they're not going to take the risk of being shot down, that's for sure.
So I take it from the way you refer to them.
My understanding is that the Federation is infiltrated and that they're not all good.
They're not all keeping humanity's best interests at heart by any stretch.
But you apparently seem to think that they're all positive.
Is that what I... The Federation, as I know it, is non-interventionist.
They're not going to do the job for us.
But certainly the Pleiadians and certainly the Andromedians are here.
Well, I wish someone would tell them that.
I'm sorry.
Just my point of view.
You think they should do the job for us?
No, no, no.
I think they are intervening and that they shouldn't.
How do you see them as intervening?
Well, the Ashtar Command are part of the Federation and they have an underground base in Death Valley area.
How do you know that they're part of the Federation?
I just do.
My research over the years, there's a tremendous amount of information out about it.
Some of it can be found in these books that I actually have on the front.
I think they're still on the front of Camelot, which are from this interesting man, this producer, who did a little bit like what you've tried to do with your book.
He's done a sort of a different kind of a job with all of that, but he's put together a lot of the evidence that's out there that points in certain directions, and he does talk at length about all the different underground bases and the various races that are occupying them here on Earth.
Right, right.
Well, I think when we talk about the Federation, we're talking about the original Federation consisted of 110 star systems, according to Alex Collier.
I don't know which ones they were.
I don't know which ones they were.
I do know that many of them did originate from Orion, the constellation of Orion.
Many of them come from the Pleiades.
There are many planets in both of those star systems, and many of them come from Andromeda.
But, you know, it's a big universe.
It's a big galaxy.
That's for sure.
And there are probably, you're probably right, there probably are some fake members of the Federation, as Donald Trump might say.
So I don't know.
Okay.
Let's see.
It says someone wants to know, what do you know about the Orion Empire?
Well, According to Morning Sky, that's where it all started.
That's where the reptilians built their civilization, was in Orion.
It was originally referred to as the Draco-Orionid Federation.
And I think there were originally many reptilian races from Orion.
That's all I know.
I have no more information on that.
They are from Draco and Orion both.
Okay.
Let me see what else here.
Someone's asking if you...
Well, it's obvious you don't think it's all a PSYOP. I'm not sure what...
There's sort of...
It's not clear, the question.
I'm sorry.
It doesn't...
If the person wants to rewrite the question, they're saying something out of PSYOP, but I don't know what they're referring to, so I can't...
let me see yeah I'm trying to grab anything that's here Sorry, it's taking a second.
You're welcome to let people know where to get your books in the meanwhile and website.
Okay, the books are available through the publisher of Inner Traditions, also Amazon, Barnes& Noble, and in most bookstores, if any still exist, I will be doing a book signing, by the way, at Changing Hands Bookstore in Phoenix on June the 5th.
Okay.
So I sort of make that known.
Great.
My website, yeah, my website is www.et-secrethistory.net.
It's still under construction.
It's kind of in a basic state right now, and I'm adding to it constantly, but at least it's off and running anyway.
Alright, someone wants to know, are there positive Dracos like Cobra says?
I don't know if you're familiar with Cobra, but do you have an opinion on that?
I think even Alex Collier agrees that many Britannians are okay.
But the problem is this.
They are a different species, okay?
They don't have a heart chakra like we do.
So the concept of love, for instance...
Does not reverberate for them.
They don't know how to do it.
They only know how to dominate.
So it's not that they're evil so much as they are different.
Okay.
What was the question?
Well, does that allow for them to be positive?
I guess positive would mean not harm humans.
Do you believe that?
I believe that.
Yes.
I believe there are many that are.
Many who have seen that That the human race has a lot of admirable qualities and deserves to survive.
Yes, I think so.
Okay, let's see.
Someone was asking something here about...
Oh, we had talked about Antarctica, but I think you talked about your investigations into Antarctica, but in terms of what's happening today, I had mentioned...
people going down there and so on so do you have a theory on why people are going down there and why it's suddenly in the news I guess would be a more specific question well I think that it's part of the whole program of disclosure and whatever forces are behind disclosure and I think there are many I
think the Federation has a large hand in this and they're trying to eventually force disclosure in their own way and Cory Goode is saying that it's got to be total disclosure because the Illuminati want partial disclosure because partial disclosure excuses many of the crimes that they've committed and So I think that's what Antarctica is all about.
Antarctica, I think, if I may use a pun, is the tip of the iceberg.
And as it surfaces, we're going to see more and more, and eventually we're going to get the whole story.
And I think it's going to happen through Antarctica, because I think the Russians want it done that way.
The Russians have a very large base in Antarctica over Lake Vostok, and I think they have a role in this.
Okay, do you want to elaborate on the role that you think they have?
Well, I think that they would like to see disclosure too, because there have been many joint U.S. and Russian space programs, particularly on the moon and particularly elsewhere in space stations, joint space stations.
So, I think there's one faction of the Russian scientific establishment that wants to see disclosure, and is working with some of our people on disclosure.
I think there are many white hats on both sides, and the cabal is starting to shrink, and it's really starting to do finger pointing among their own ranks.
Okay.
Alright, so that's most of the questions I think I've gotten.
I'm just looking really quickly to see if I might have missed any.
Okay, so we've kept you for a while here and I guess we'll wrap this up.
Again, is there any sort of closing remarks or thoughts you might like to share in terms of, you know, where you think this is all going?
You kind of have said that, but, you know, are you working on another book along these lines or what is going on with your sort of I don't know, whatever you consider this to be, your vocation or whatever.
The only advice I would give to anybody right now who's a member of the human race is stay positive.
That's all.
Just stay positive because that's the key to the whole thing.
I think we will prevail.
I made that point in the introduction to the book.
I talked about If we stay positive and we understand that we can get there, we can get to Star Trek, we can become the Star Trek civilization, that's all that's necessary.
Everything follows from that.
Everything follows from that, as long as you stay positive.
Okay, but are you writing anything in the future or now?
Are you writing another book or doing more investigation?
I actually am turning now more to screenwriting.
Oh, uh-huh.
Yeah, I am.
I'm trying to write a screenplay for the Serpo story myself.
I'm working on that.
Great.
I have somebody that's very interested in it, and it makes sense for me to write it because when I turned it over to a Hollywood producer before, she could not find a screenwriter that she was satisfied with.
And she said, why don't you go ahead and write it?
So I think I'm going to do that.
All right.
Great to hear.
So that'll be fascinating to see what you come up with and quite a challenge, I'm sure.
Yeah.
All right.
So back in those days, I suppose you, because you said recently when I asked you the question, you hadn't had any help from any intelligence agencies or People that work for the Secret Space Program, etc.
Back in the days of Serpo, when you were investigating that story, you didn't have any help in that area either?
No, I had 14,000 words from the Serpo website to work with.
That's about all I really needed.
It's a tremendous repository of information, if anybody takes the time to read it.
It's all out there.
Yeah.
To me, that's disclosure right there as far as I'm concerned.
Okay.
Well, I mean, I think definitely what we're doing here today is disclosure as well.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And I want to say that you're doing probably the best job of anybody that I know of in getting us there.
Oh, well, thank you.
That's very nice.
The people you're interviewing and the subjects you're approaching, I think you're doing a tremendous job and I just want to let you know that I appreciate that and I I feel that way.
Thank you very much, Lynn.
That's very kind of you.
Well, I appreciate your effort in this book.
You know, it's never going to be that everyone agrees with everything, that this story is so broad, and we're really talking about the origins of the human race and what we're doing here, etc., etc., so it's a big story.
It's a big story indeed.
Yes, it is.
Okay.
So it was great to have you.
With people like you working on it, we'll get there.
All right.
And the same to you.
And thanks, everyone, for watching.
Thanks, Lynn, for being here and have a great night.
I'm going to let you go and we'll go to the credits.
Okay, Carrie.
Thanks a lot.
All right.
Take care.
Take care.
Bye-bye.
So, uh, thanks everyone for watching.
I just want to say that tomorrow night I'm going to have Joanne Richards, if all things go as planned.
She's going to be talking about her husband, Mark Richards, Captain Mark Richards from the Secret Space Program.
So that should be a lot of fun.
And it's great.
She's a fascinating woman and has been obviously very deeply involved in his work for many years now.
So she's quite a strong source herself in terms of information pertaining to what Mark has been writing all about for many years.
And, um, so that's tomorrow night at 7 p.m.
Pacific time.
I also want to say that in, let's see, I just released the John Lear, uh, part two, and we're very hard at work on part three.
And then there are some outtakes that we're going to try to put out there as well.
So these have been hours and hours of testimony and taken a tremendous amount of time in the editing bay, so to speak, of both of us, me and my partner, Neil, at this time, working on that editing.
And so if you do appreciate these releases, when we do in-person interviews, it's much more involved than when I interview people here on my channel because YouTube does the work and I don't have to usually, I don't have to re-edit it unless we have some horrendous sound I don't have to re-edit it unless we have some horrendous sound problems like we did with Richard Allen Miller, which I recently re-edited and put that
because using another recording device I had on hand that day but you know this is a labor of love if you can support Project Camelot and help keep us alive it's very much appreciated there will be a donate button on my website if you're interested in donating every little bit helps and my webmaster certainly will appreciate it as well and So, I want to thank everyone.
I am going to the UK. I'm going to be doing a tour from the 1st to the 8th of June.
And this is a tour of the ancient sites with Maria Wheatley.
And there's a video you can watch on my channel, on the Jagboda YouTube channel.
And you can go there and just put Project Camelot.
Obviously, you're here now, so you probably are on my channel anyway.
But at any rate, you can watch that and see what we're going to be talking about.
Maria Wheatley is a dowser.
Her father was a dowser, so we're going to be going around the ancient sites.
We'll be doing meditations, clearings, that sort of thing to bring the energy back.
Into a better place.
And we also will be working at Stonehenge one night.
We'll have special access to getting in there.
And the tour does cost quite a bit simply because of the costs in Britain are kind of astronomical in terms of, you know, hotels and the bus and all this kind of thing.
But we are also selling, once we figure out how many Of the full tour people we have.
And we cover those people at Stonehenge and so on.
Then we're going to open it up for the general public to buy day tickets.
So you can accompany us for a day.
And it's quite a lot less money to do that.
So that's one thing.
And then in the 24th and 25th, I'll be giving another Awaken Aware conference in England and I have a fabulous speaker list as always and go to my website to the events tab and scroll down.
First you'll see the Maria Wheatley expedition we're doing in the beginning of June and then if you scroll down you'll see the the the Awakened Aware in the UK as well and all the details and the speakers and so on.
We've got Just off the top of my head, Peter Padgett coming back.
We will have...
Simon Parks and Maria Wheatley will also speak there.
Miles Johnston and several others.
Fabulous.
It's usually a fabulous event, so I have to say.
Encourage people to come to that, and it's pretty low price as well.
So thanks for listening.
Thanks for your support, and I'll be back tomorrow night with Joanne Richards.
Take care.
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