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May 9, 2017 - Project Camelot
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JOHN LEAR REVISITED - PART TWO of THREE
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Thank you.
Thank you.
So during that time, I saw them take off the top of the mountain right here.
And only later did I find that that's where they were going to build Sandia, which was the new secret base where they were moving everything from NORAD and every place to in central Nevada.
They took the top off a mountain, built Sandia under what they took off, and then put the top back on.
SUVs, white SUVs, driving around there.
And sometimes we'd follow them, and they'd disappear into thin air.
He says, Hey, tell me something.
Is it true what John Lear says, that there's an elevator that goes down to the Pacific at Hawthorne?
And the guy goes...
Great.
Do you think that you've ever met an alien?
I mean, don't you think you might have by now?
Oh, absolutely.
25%...
Of the people on Earth are aliens.
The only difference that he could tell was that every once in a while he had an inner eyelid that would close and then open up.
And he said it really freaked him out the first time he saw that.
Donald Gray said, what do you want?
And Bill says, I don't understand.
What do you mean, what do I want?
He says, well, you're here.
You came here to see us.
You obviously had some questions.
Happy birthday John Lear, the Bob Lazar birthday gift.
Periodic table of elements, element John Lear.
The periodic table of 116 is JL. It's a human solvent.
The atomic mass is 256.89.
Occurrence found primarily in Nevada.
Physical properties.
It is rare on stable element.
It is best known for its remarkable ability to resist common sense and facts.
Applied liberally, JL has been known to improve the quality of lawns.
It is also known to absorb great quantities of expensive substances.
It is one of the most money-reducing agents known to man.
Prolonged exposure to this element can cause severe physical, mental, and financial damage.
So he gave you that white mug that's in the picture there.
So that's what we need to be looking for here.
I almost finished this wall, but it has all the really neat stuff that I came across.
And one thing that I came across is I had a floppy one that had the little floppy disk that was a DEM digital I think it's electronic measurement but it's how they used to measure the elevation of
The terrain.
And they'd do it from an airplane or helicopter.
And then later, they were able to do it from satellite, and they got rid of doing these things by helicopter and airplane.
But this floppy was given to me, and one day, fooling around with different parts of the floppy, in other words, going Vertical 1 to 3 and different things of it.
This part of S4 came up and it's an excavation.
Now the Bob Lars Exa-4 is right here.
But there's two excavations, one here and one on the other side.
This is the one on the other side.
That's S4, the hangar doors.
I drew that in.
And this is the excavation.
And somewhere else I'll find it is this little white spot.
It's at the bottom of the excavation.
And it looks like some kind of a flying vehicle.
I don't know what it could be, but when I find it, I'll show it to you because it's so interesting and why it should be there and how I could have come up with that one excavation, I'll show it to you because it's so interesting and why it should be there and Mm-hmm.
Incredible stuff.
This thing is a picture of Groom Lake, and I can't remember where I got this, whether I got this off the internet or what, but that is Groom Lake there, that white spot.
Okay.
And then there's Papoose Lake.
Right.
And then here's a cloud.
And I called it Mysterious Cloud because there's no other cloud in the world, I mean, around Groom Lake except right there.
So they must have been hiding something.
Well, that's very interesting because on the way in, we drove past Area 51, you know, along the 95.
And there were clouds, very strange clouds.
Cylindrical clouds that look mysteriously like they're a hiding craft right over what would in theory be the Area 51 area.
And the whole sky was clear except for those three clouds.
So we have a picture.
I can probably put it on this video.
It's very powerful because I... So that's interesting you mention that.
There's also a white mug here.
I don't know if this is the one you're looking for.
Yeah.
Is this it?
Okay, so you wanted to show us this from Bob Lazar, is that right?
Yeah.
He gave it for my birthday.
Okay.
Very cool.
Element 116, John Lear.
That's charming.
I guess he wrote something on here as well.
Have you seen John Leonard Walson's, the moon footage, close-ups of the moon?
John Leonard Walson, you know, the photographer?
He's a good friend of ours.
He's coming down here and stayed with me for a couple of days.
He is or he did?
He's going to.
Well, he's a friend of ours.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
He's going to fix my telescope because...
He's amazing.
One day I woke up and...
It's just black, so I don't have any money to send it to Torrance where Celestron is, but he said, no problem, I'll fix it when I come down.
Excellent.
Well, I'm so happy to hear that you're in touch with him, because he's a great guy.
He's taken some unbelievably good photos.
Well, this is a Paiute Mesa here.
Okay, between...
This is...
I should have a magnifying glass.
Right up here is the Tonopah test range.
Right.
And Groom Lake is right here.
Oh, yeah?
And this is the Paiute Mesa.
All right.
And this is where the new Sika base is.
And as they knew, it's 20 years old because when I was employed by the Nevada test site to fly the perimeter of Where they would set off underground nuclear blasts.
My job was in the morning I would continuously fly the perimeter and going up and down from ground level to 10,000 feet and giving the wind so that they were sure that if it fended by accident that they knew which way the bad stuff was going to blow.
So, during that time, I saw them take off the top of the mountain right here, and only later did I find that that's where they were going to build Sandia, which was the new secret base where they're removing everything from NORAD and every place to in central Nevada.
So, yeah, but where is, could you say where 95 or Vegas are in relation to this?
That's the cutoff of 95 where you drive up a little ways and they have a guard shack.
And then that goes to the radar station up there.
And 95 just winds around down there.
Alright, yep.
And, uh, the tunnel by test range is just out of sight on that.
Grim Lake is just out of sight there.
Anyway, these are two lakes, dry lakes.
This is where Sandia was built.
They took the top off a mountain, built Sandia under what they took off, and then put the top back on.
And in there are five holes about Several hundred feet in diameter, and they go down a mile, and they hold 25,000 combat troops each one.
And the reason we know that is because a friend of Bob's father drove one of the cement trucks, and he said there was hundreds of cement trucks all day long going in and out, in and out, and driving down, spiraling down.
It's called Sandia, and now people say, oh, Sandia, that's the Sandia Mountain Range and Elkirky and Sandia Corporation.
Right.
I said yes, because now what they're doing is naming the new stuff, the old names, so that if somebody accidentally mentions that, it won't register as a new area.
Right.
Yeah, that's right.
So...
A lot of misdirects around Sandia.
It turns out I have a piece of paper that somebody got off the internet.
It was by accident on a military channel and it says where my mine was out in the South Virgin Mountains that Sandia extends all the way out there.
And many occasions we saw We had white SUVs driving around there, and sometimes we'd follow them, and they'd disappear into thin air.
And I showed that to one of the BLM Rangers, and he was a little bit...
He didn't believe it at first, and then he came in one morning and said, God damn it, I saw one of those things, and I followed them and lost it.
That's great.
And...
So, yeah, so they have those false entrances and...
Those what?
False entrances and mountains that, you know...
Yeah, there's one down by Nelson Landing, and the guy that...
He's not with BLM anymore.
He was going to move somewhere.
This guy was nuts.
But as most people with BLM are, and...
He was patrolling a wash near the Nelson Landing.
And he said he came upon a huge door that was open.
And he kind of looks inside here and there's all kinds of commuter equipment and typewriters and everything.
And he tried to move the door and it wouldn't move.
So he called the only number he had for Creech Air Force Base.
And at that time, I think it was still Indian Springs.
And he said, I'm down here at Nelson and you guys better come down here because there's a door that's open.
And they said, I don't know what you're talking about, sir.
And he said, okay, you may not know what I'm talking about, but there's a door that's open and somebody needs to come down here and close it.
And a voice comes on and says, I'm sorry, sir, I don't know what you're talking about.
Then a completely different voice comes on and says, Stay right there.
We'll be there in 15 minutes.
Don't move.
Great stuff.
And they came down with a helicopter and he walked away.
He didn't want to know anything about it because there's so many of those secret places down there.
Now right here is the Sandia office laboratory and sleeping quarters and here is where they have a new strip.
Now I'll show you on the Google map that there's nothing indicated.
I mean it's just like just grass.
Yeah we noticed that as well actually.
On the way down here, on the 51 side of 95 going in that direction, there's nothing.
Zero.
So they've blacked the whole thing out.
This you have to drive in quite a bit and I gave George Knapp a complete set of accurate directions of how to get there and what they have now is a way of hiding stuff They have a little machine they can set up and it will hide roads or hide buildings or hide anything.
And in this case, it hid the cutoff that George was supposed to take to find that new strip there.
And he never did find it.
He wound up at the entrance to the Tonopatess train.
Right.
I haven't been up there and I don't drive up there anymore but anyway this is where the new strip is and there's two strips and these are described to me by a mine inspector who has to inspect cement mines or any kind of mine and there's a cement facility there that's used to Supply,
the strips and everything else that they're building around there.
And so he told me, took them out to lunch, he said they built two strips, northwest to southeast, and he said in the middle of these strips there's a hanger that goes from one end of the strips to the other.
And I said, well I know what that is.
They said, what they can do is test an airplane out of One set of hangars and use that runway so that the other people on the other side can't see it.
And then when they're done, the people on the other side can bring their airplane out and fly on the other side and nobody can see it.
So that's what those trips are.
And then he said at the As the road comes around here to the other side of these strips, he said there's these little igloos.
They're about eight feet high.
They're just like igloos, shaped like igloos.
And there was five of them.
And he said there's two armed guards in front of each one with their weapons at port arms like that.
And he said there's two...
Guard shacks, one when you get near the place, and then right after that is obviously the place where the sleeping quarters and stuff like that, and the other is when you get close enough that you're actually getting into the aircraft base itself.
So let me find this.
Iglis.
That's really bizarre.
Iglis.
Don't know what the hell could be in there.
Well, as we drove down the 95, you know, there is a place before you get to Vegas that does have this really weird little white...
I don't know, huts kind of carved into a white basalt kind of like...
Yeah, that's it.
You think that's it?
Sounds like it.
There was tons of them, though.
I don't know about...
They didn't have guards at this one, but this is...
This is some kind of natural land formation that I don't understand.
It just crops up over there.
Have you heard about the high-speed maglev train that goes from Luxor to Zambia?
Oh, from the Luxor?
Yeah.
Oh, right.
Okay, yeah.
I thought I had, but why don't you go ahead and tell us more about it?
Because that's actually great.
Special Projects Airplane, 737s Park, right across from the Luxor into the western side of the McCarran Airport, and that's where the 737s Park.
And they just built a brand new hangar facility.
It really looks cool.
It looks space-age.
And so all they have to do If somebody comes in from out of town and they're going to Sandia all they have to do is get out of the airplane at the Sandia base get on the moving walkway and it takes you first the escalator
takes you down and then the moving walkway takes you Quite a ways to directly under the Luxor where their parking is.
They get out of the walkway and they can go where the parking is but also what there is is a High-speed, mag-love train that can get to Groom Lake in 10 minutes.
Right.
Now, what is this a map of here?
This?
Yeah.
Okay, we're showing...
This is Southern Nevada.
And what I'm showing you first is...
This is McCarran Airport in the Luxor.
Right.
And these dashed lines...
Are the maglev tracks.
And that goes from the Luxor to the Bellagio.
And the reason they go to the Bellagio is the Bellagio has infinite underground parking for the 2,000 people that work at Sandia.
I knew it.
You know, this is so weird.
Last night, I had a psychic impression.
We went to the Luxor last night.
We were at the Bellagio earlier, and I said the two places I think that these maglev trains go out of, I was just thinking to myself, is Bellagio and Luxor.
This is really bizarre.
In 2004, and I have it on my computer, all of the stories in the review journal, but what happened is they were building...
Another set of tracks that went from the Bellagio, not to Sandia, but to Groom Lake.
And what happened is the backhoe dug 25 feet deeper than it should have and hit the main power grid of the Bellagio and knocked it out for three days.
Now why This is so disastrous as, number one, casinos go to unbelievable lengths to be sure that no power is ever lost because it represents millions and millions of dollars to them.
And not only that, but if it's knocked out, what do they do then?
They can't tell Nevada Power because Nevada Power doesn't know anything about it.
And nobody there has a clearance to know anything about it.
And so it was a three-day disaster, which was fun for those of us that knew it, because we knew that nobody could tell anybody anything.
And it was kind of hilarious.
So I collected all those, and I am...
What year was that?
2004.
2004.
I'll make you clear.
But let me ask you, they're going to Groom Lake.
My understanding is they can also go to Australia from there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Washington, D.C. and probably the L.A. base.
They have a transportation system that the Navy originally found out that went out of the submarine base, submarine pens at San Diego.
And when they found this thing, initially they didn't know what it was.
They didn't build it.
Nobody humans built it.
Somebody else built it.
And it would take them any place in the world in, you know, a half hour.
Australia included.
So, that goes to Groom Lake.
Now here's the place that I think is Coyote Wells.
Pioche and this is out in the desert.
Now this is interesting because I have a friend that was chief pilot there for 20 years and of course I would never presume on anybody, any of my friends that worked for special projects.
But it was interesting because they went to a couple of secret places.
One was this place And a friend of mine got a job as a flight attendant just to find out where that was.
And he worked with him for about three months, and he said that all he could tell from where he sat in the airplane is...
When they opened the door, and they had what they call air stairs, that the stairs come out of the airplane.
And so when they opened the door, he said it was just desert.
And he said there was a small hill about a hundred feet away from where the door opened.
And he said he'd watch the passengers get out And they just walk behind this pile of sand and disappear.
And that's where I think it was.
Now, the thing is I've driven up there and there's security vehicles that only come out if you head towards that way.
And so I think that's where one of them is.
The black airplanes, the Delta Wing airplanes fly out of this place.
Now this is Wendover, it used to be Air Force Base.
That's where they did all the speed runs and Craig Breedlove did the speed runs and that's Utah and that's Nevada.
And that's 44 miles south.
And that's where one of the maglev trains go to.
Well, I mean, we heard from Pete Peterson a while back that, of course, there's tons of stuff in Utah that they set up, right?
And also Idaho.
So that they've moved up from Nevada into, you know, Utah and into...
So that would be correct.
Either Popular Science or Popular Mechanics put out a story that Area 51 has shut down I didn't ever believe that either.
The place where they put in their magazine was a range for when they shot missiles off from down in El Magordo.
It was just where the missiles landed.
It wasn't where they located Area 51.
They're trying to keep all the secret stuff in Nevada down in that way.
I have, the way I first found out about this, a guy came here working on the electricity and putting up lamps, saw the maps and stuff.
He said, you know, he said, I was, he said, my deer tag a couple years ago was for that area right there.
And he said, he parked on this road Right where it makes this curve right here.
And he said he hiked, parked there and hiked over that one mountain range.
And he said he was going to go to hike over one more mountain range to get to that dry lake there.
And he started seeing white SUVs.
And he had spent his time in Vietnam in escape and evade, and he was able to manage to hide himself and not get caught.
But he said, there's something there.
And he said, that's where...
He said, if I could have hiked over that other range, he said, I'm sure that Dry Lake is where they...
They keep something.
Now, on a field of Air Force Base is the story we were told.
A security guard there one day was told, stay here for a couple minutes, we're going to show you something.
And he said one of these black triangles came over, no sound, no nothing, slowly came over the field, and then pointed up and went, And I'm pretty sure it came from there.
Right, and so that is right on the border of Utah, correct?
Yeah, it's right on the border, 44 miles south of Wendover Field.
And then a friend of mine used to drive up to Utah every weekend.
And he said that he would drive up 93 or 95, whatever it is.
And he said, just before you get to Ely, there's a long sloping uphill drive.
And he said...
He would always rest there, he said, because that was where he needed to get some rest, and he'd go to sleep at 3 and wake up at 5 and continue his journey up to Utah.
And he said the one time he parked right there before this long uproad, and he said, For some reason he woke up at 4, and he looked out the window, and way in the distance was what looked like a runway, except it had blue lights instead of white lights.
And he said they never went out, he never saw anything land or takeoff, but he said it was right there before that road goes and starts its climb.
And that's the Ely Airport there, so I believe that there may be something there.
Well, did you know about Charles Hall and the Tall Whites?
Yeah.
And I've met Charles Hall, and he's a legitimate guy.
He's really telling the truth, in my opinion.
And when you drive down the 95, you're driving right by, according to him, Indian Wells and that whole area.
Is where he was stationed to patrol.
And it goes for quite a number of miles.
And that was, I think, his home base was in the Indian Wells.
No, his home base was...
I've got a...
Well, it's a military base.
He had to report.
His home base was Indian Springs.
Right.
And...
The place where he relocated, the government gave him the funds to build a hangar.
And according to Chuck Hall, it was maybe 10 or 15 miles northwest of Dogbone Lake.
And I'll show you a picture of Dogbone Lake.
Area 51 over there.
And I said, there's the airfetch one.
Dogbone Lake, I got a better picture of it somewhere.
It's right there.
And the mountains where that hangar door that he saw was right there.
Okay.
So, come on, with all your travels, John, do you think that you've ever met an alien?
I mean, don't you think you might have by now?
Oh, absolutely.
25% of the people on Earth are aliens.
Well, I agree with that.
I agree.
I think it's higher than that.
We humans are here on Earth for only one reason.
The reason is to learn to live our lives with integrity and without envy, hate, or greed.
And for some reason in our lifetime, and both you and I have lived hundreds of lifetimes, hundreds of lifetimes, And for some reason in our last lifetime we screwed up and we're down here with everybody else that screwed up and the only difference between them and us is I'm telling you the reason we're here and they don't know why we're...
people don't know why they're here because that's not another program.
They don't tell them.
You have to find it out by yourself.
So I'm told I have a special pass.
Whether that's true or not, I don't know.
But somebody asked me if they could make hats and license plates with integrity without envy, hate or greed, and we've got some of those.
And it looks kind of interesting.
And the tall white story is absolutely true.
And then Bill Hamilton came by here with his wife Uh, one day, and, uh, let's see, it was a Sunday night.
He said, uh, we're going up to Grim Lake and we're gonna just park by the black mailbox and we're gonna stay there until something happens.
And I said, okay, well, when are you gonna go back?
He said, I'll be back Wednesday night.
I said, okay, you wanna drive by here when you come back?
He said, yeah.
So, Monday night, He calls.
I said, how's it going?
He said, something strange happened.
He says, I'll be there tomorrow night.
We'll see.
And I said, okay.
So I went to school to learn regressive hypnosis.
And I would have graduated, but I was so busy, I only had one more test to go.
And when I had my Nevada license, But I got busy doing something and I didn't take it, but Angela, who taught the course, said that anytime you want to take it, you know, can do it, and I still don't know whether that's an effect or not.
But anyway, Bill came back Tuesday night with his wife, and at that time we had a couch, long couch there.
I said, why don't you lie down there and put this Pillow under your head.
And I didn't hook up my recorder because I thought, this is too far out.
Nothing's going to come up for us.
But his wife took notes.
So immediately we got into it and I said, where are you?
And he said, I'm at the black mailbox.
And I said, what do you see?
And he said, I see two headlights.
And he said, they're coming our way.
And I said, okay, now what's happening?
He said, they stopped overhead.
And I'm being...
He said, I was on the driver's side with the door open and I had my foot on the running board and my arm through the window.
And he said, I'm being lifted up into this craft that it's about 50 feet above.
And he said...
I found myself on a comfortable couch and there's a what we know as a tall gray there Tal Gray said, what do you want?
And Bill says, I don't understand.
What do you mean, what do I want?
He says, well, you're here.
You came here to see us.
You obviously have some questions.
So he asked a few noncommittal questions and most of the stuff we've read about in the books.
But first of all, he said, What do you want?
He says, my name is Quaylar.
And Bill spelled it Q-U-A-L-O-R, Quaylar.
And then they talked for maybe 10 minutes and Quaylar said, well, I've got to go.
It's time to go.
So if you wouldn't mind going back to the truck.
So Bill says he walked over to the And he said, he looked down 50 feet.
He said, boy, that's a long ways.
He said, I don't think I could survive that.
And Quayler said, no problem, no problem.
Just step off.
So, Bill took all his courage and stepped off and just floated down to the door.
And when he got to the doorway, he remembered looking behind and seeing the red lights of a truck going up that hill from where they Mailboxes.
He said, which is exactly what he remembered.
And that was it.
Okay, but, you know, Bill Hamilton, I've interviewed him, and he's a fascinating interview.
It'd be great to connect with him again, but he's on and off.
I guess he's been working for the man, so to speak, in various capacities, so I don't know if he's willing to do interviews now.
But he told me that his wife was actually...
I guess, abducted and messed with sexually by reptilians.
Now, I don't know if anything happened to his wife in this particular trip, but they were visited on a repeated basis.
In fact, it was so common or something that it became a problem for their marriage.
He wrote about this.
Yeah, I remember that.
I remember him telling me that story.
He was one of the few people that have ever come out like that, talking about his wife and the reptilians.
So what about the reptilians?
Have you seen any of those?
I haven't, but the guy that's...
Resnick.
Do you know who Resnick is?
Yeah, the name's familiar.
He's with...
Me and Ron and supposedly we own all this moon property and are selling it and I think Resnick was the one that said that he worked with a reptilian down in Florida in a laboratory and he said the only difference that he could tell was that every once in a while he had an inner eyelid that And
he said it really freaked him out the first time he saw that.
And every once in a while that inner eyelid would close and then open up.
And other than that, you know, I can't remember seeing anything, but most of my family has.
For instance, Damien, when he was 11, he's 15 now.
He came in one afternoon, it was summer, and it was in the evening, and he says, Grandpa, I just went to the moon.
I said, cool, tell me about it.
He said, well, he said, I was up in my greenhouse, or my treehouse, and he said, this green fog came in and started Gushing around and he said the next thing I know I'm on this silver slab in this laboratory and I said and
of course I never talked to him or any of my kids about this unless they had a specific question.
He said I was on the silver slab and The doctor told me to be calm.
And I said, were you frightened?
First of all, I said, what did the doctor look like?
And he said, you know, a few legs, hair all over.
And later, I pulled out, I had him draw the...
The picture of the doctor.
So if you wouldn't mind, I'm not going to go over there, but if you go down about halfway on the left side, and you'll see a drawing of a, and it says, Damien's doctor.
You're kidding me.
Right.
Well, it sounded like that.
Wow.
That's really freaking scary.
So, what did he say the doctor did to him?
I said, weren't you scared?
I said, you know, I'd be scared if I saw something like that working on me.
He said, well, I was nervous but not scared.
And I said, what did he do to you?
He said, I don't know.
He said, but...
He said the instruments that he was working with were flying around.
And he said that he'd grab one and do something, let it go, and it'd fly off, and another one would fly in and he'd grab it.
You know, this sounds like all the other stories that he hadn't heard.
And I showed him pictures, that one famous picture of a reptilian that everybody has.
I had him thumb through it and he stopped right there.
He said, that's the guy.
That picture looks more like a spider being...
Yeah, more like a praying mantis.
Yeah, it could be a spider.
Anyway...
Yeah, I guess a praying mantis or a spider, yeah.
One of my daughters lived in...
Sun Valley, Idaho, and about, let's see, the daughter is 22 now, so this is when she was seven, so it had to be 15 years ago.
No, no, because she was three.
So it had to be a long time ago.
She always slept with her mother.
And slept in her mother's bed.
And this one night, when she was three years old, they lived in Sun Valley in a house that was not surrounded by a bunch of houses, but kind of by itself.
And the little girl comes up to her mom and says, Mommy, I want to sleep in my room tonight.
Moya, my daughter, was shocked because she had never heard her express any desire to stay in her, you know, in her own room.
But she said, okay, fine.
Went in and made her bed.
And at 5 o'clock in the morning, She comes in and yanks on her mother's covers and says, Mommy, Mommy, wake up.
I have something very important to tell you.
Three years old.
And Moia looks at her watch and says, What is it?
And she said, The space people came last night.
And she had not talked to Alexandra at all about any space beings.
So Moia says, well, how many were there?
She said, five.
And she counted on her fingers.
One, two, three, four, five.
Wow.
So Moia said, what did you do then?
And Alexander said, I got my gun and shot him.
Really?
Three years old.
Three years old.
So...
That's incredible.
Four years later, she's seven, and my two older daughters, which I had from my first wife, Moya and Jill, they're at the same house, they're in the living room, and it's in the afternoon, and they're just chatting.
And they notice That it's been at least an hour and a half since they've seen Alexandra.
And that's not like Alexandra to go away for that long or for them not to notice.
You know, they get checks every five minutes whether they like it or not.
And they heard the back door slam.
And here comes Alexandra and she has Her camping backpack on with the straps here.
And she has swimming goggles around her eyes and a, what do they call the tube?
Yeah, I don't know what they call it.
The breathe, the breathe air.
Yeah, I get it.
And she has a sheen, sweat across her forehead.
And as they turn around and look at her, she's stomping towards the stairway, and she says, I've just been to the moon, and I'm very, very tired, and I'm going up to sleep, going up to take a nap.
And when I talk to my daughters these days about it, they just say, you know, that was very weird, Dad, you know, for her to say that.
I'm going to take a nap.
I've just been going to take a nap.
Now, how old was that little girl?
Was she still three at that point?
Seven.
Seven.
Then when she was eleven, she was at my mother's house in Verdi near Reno and it's just a nice afternoon and they just had lunch and they were out and there's a trampoline there and Alexandra's Bouncing up and down on the trampoline.
And she says, Mommy, when am I going to the moon next?
Oh, man.
And that was...
Monia said, I don't know, darling.
And then Allison, when she was 13, for some god-known reason, merrily let her put...
A deadbolt lock on her door.
It was only open from the inside.
At about, I'm thinking it's like 11 o'clock, the most blood-curdling screams you have ever heard in your life.
Oh my god.
Come out of Allison's room, Allison's screaming, and I flew out of bed and opened our door, and down the hallway is her door, and tried her door, and the deadbolt was locked, and now she's screaming even louder.
I mean, horrible screams.
You know, I can't remember if she was going, Daddy, Daddy, or just scream.
I don't think she would have gone, Daddy, Daddy, because I would have gone nuts.
But there was nothing we could do, and nothing we could, there's no way we could get in.
And, you know, I didn't want to go down and get a crash axe, because I wanted to stay there, and, you know, See what was going to happen and pretty soon she quiets down.
Oh, and also I couldn't get her to come to the door.
Pretty soon she quiets down and we get her to come to the door and get her all calmed down.
And what were you screaming at?
And she said, A little man came out of my closet and she described him, you know, three or four feet tall, And to this day, if she comes, I'm going to have her describe it, because she'll never forget the clothes that he had on.
They were plaid or something, but she'll never forget those for some reason.
And got her own con down, and that was that.
End of story.
She didn't explain?
I mean, it sounds like he did something to her if she would scream so loud.
The man?
Could have, but I didn't want to ask you.
You didn't ask?
Uh-uh.
Wow.
So she was fine otherwise?
I mean, she just seemed normal after that?
Yeah.
Incredible.
She talks about it.
If you ask her about it these days, she talks normally about it.
And she describes the clothes.
How old is she now?
Forty.
Oh, wow.
Wait, she was born in, uh, 73, so...
83, 93, 43, 44, 45?
Is she that old?
I bought this map 40 years ago and when I first started to study the Navy underwater transits courses, I put out this map and I said, well I'll be damned, this is The center is Monterey Bay and I can show all the places it goes to.
Perfect.
So here's where Monterey Bay is and this is what it's called.
And this is...
That's awesome.
This is the Naval Undersea Warfare Center in Hawthorne.
That's Walker Lake.
Right.
And it's only, you know, 15 miles long and 100 feet deep.
And I kept saying there's no way they're going to fit a submarine, any kind of a submarine, in that lake.
And it wasn't until many, many years later that I... I came across the idea that maybe they had an elevator that went down to the level of the Pacific Ocean.
And that's when I started reading...
I got out the Branton books and What was so intriguing is that both the Thresher and I think it was the Skipjack,
two nuclear submarines, one was our first nuclear submarine, had been lost at sea, and one was lost Near the Azores, and one was lost out in the Pacific Ocean.
And for some reason, I thought these were both bullshit.
I'm trying to remember the exact reason what tipped me off, but Branton either interviewed or heard about a lady whose husband was on the submarine and said that they were exploring someplace And they got lost or trapped and they couldn't get out.
And I said, Ben has to be.
They got into the Monterey Bay and they got lost in there.
And that was the thresher.
And then the skipjack did the same thing and he was lost four or five years later.
And in the same fashion.
Well, I wonder if, you know, they're actually lost.
I mean, maybe they just weren't ever going to come back to the surface.
What's interesting is that when Valentine...
Remember when he made a deal with the Navy to photograph the Titanic?
Okay.
You remember that?
Anyway, Valentine, who worked for the Woods Hole or North Hole or whatever it was, made a deal, I think it was to photograph They wanted him to photograph the remains of one of the nuclear subs, either the Skipjack or the Thresher.
And what was interesting is the Navy had been on the Titanic three years before they told the public about it.
And so when they said, we've just found the Titanic, they had already been on it three years.
And somehow Ballantyne either knew that or...
I don't understand what you mean, they've been on it for three years.
Exploring it.
They didn't want to tell the public about it.
They wanted to find, get all the information and artifacts and stuff that they wanted before they told the public about it.
Because they knew that once they told the public about it, you know, everybody would be grabbing stuff.
The Navy found it before anybody knew about it.
I mean, before anybody found where it was.
You don't remember the searches and all that stuff surrounding Titanic?
No, I'm not an expert on that subject, but I do know that Michael Shrimpton said there was a lot of...
You know, obfuscation around the Titanic, I'd have to get into what he says about that in his book, and also I can ask him next time I talk about it.
Okay, what happened was that the Navy found it first and didn't tell anybody for three years while they explored it and got all the information and artifacts that they wanted from it.
And then they announce it to the public.
I remember one thing he said.
He said it was sunk by the Germans or something.
Titanic?
Yeah.
You're not thinking about the Lusitania?
Nope.
I think maybe the Lusitania was also, but...
No, I mean, this is what he says, you know, that contrary to what they said, it did not sink by hitting an iceberg.
That was a lie.
That it was actually, I believe, sent by the Germans.
Okay.
But what happened is Malandine, I think that's his name, made a deal with the Navy to take photographs, movies, Of the remains of whichever it was, the Threather or Skipjack, just south of the Azores.
So about a year ago, they showed that movie.
And there ain't no goddamn submarine because there's no, you know, reactor, no nothing around that.
There's parts, sure, but nothing that would say that's a nuclear sub down there.
All right.
So, now a friend of mine used to run a print shop right across from McCarran Special Projects and he's the one that told me a lot of this, give me some hints because there are people that worked there and worked around that area and Would know certain things and one of the things was when
he was in there, when somebody was in there getting some copies made, his name was King, I forget his first name, says to the guy that was from the Navy and actually from Hawthorne, he says, Hey, tell me something.
Is it true what John Lear says that there's an elevator that goes down to the Pacific at Hawthorne?
And the guy goes...
Great.
That's awesome.
And...
What about Luke Air Force Base?
Isn't there a lot of stuff that goes on down there?
No.
Haven't heard anything that goes on in Luke.
Really?
Hmm.
Okay, let's show you this and then we'll go back to the stuff that you want to do.
That is a beautiful thing you've got there.
Okay.
Because nobody gets to see this.
I mean, I don't think, at least I haven't seen it out around.
And that's great.
Now, who drew these channels on here?
Did you do that?
Or was it like that?
Well, I bought the map and then I put the lines and the printing on there.
Did you have help figuring out where the lines go exactly or you just kind of traced backwards from Monterey to...
Yeah, Monterey to Lake Tahoe.
Yeah, and Malibu.
What?
It's great.
And Monterey to China Lake, we know about there.
Malibu.
Well, there's also supposed to be a link up there.
Down Southern California, it's, I guess somebody told me this, down past the nuclear power plant, there's another entrance somewhere significant.
Which power plant?
The one on the coast.
In other words, you would have more lines, is what I'm saying, going further south, and also from San Diego.
Yeah, there's the Korean.
San Onofre Atomic Power Plant is in that area.
And by the way, did you hear about the Point Doom, you know, the base, undersea base, you know, that Jimmy Church and a colleague found on Google Maps under...
On Google Maps.
It's right off of Point Doom.
And they were going to go there and they were going to take, you know, take boats and divers and the whole nine yards.
And suddenly everything shut up.
Nobody's doing anything.
You know about the undersea bases like Catalina and all of that.
There's also all that going on.
Catalina has an underground base?
Yeah, undersea base.
I don't know about underground, but undersea.
Yeah, sure.
Catalina does?
Yeah, off of Catalina Island.
Well then, Santa Barbara, I've been at Santa Barbara Island.
It's a little teeny island that's just this side of...
All kinds of crazy stuff getting seen.
Yeah, like that missile that was launched a year ago.
Right.
Remember that?
Yeah.
It was one of the first photos taken when the first CAMA satellite rounded the moon.
And that's half of the photo.
The other half I gave to a friend.
There was, you know, like I started to tell you all the weird things that happened.
I don't have time now, but I'll tell you this one quick story is a guy and his wife used to go to auctions in New Orleans and they go to this one auction to this old mansion and the guy had just passed away and didn't know anything about him.
And they bid $5 for a box that was unlabeled, and they didn't know it was in it, but they liked the price.
And they bought it, and there's 34 of those moon pictures in them.
Incredible.
His estate died, was one of the guys that put together that NASA, he worked for NASA, put together those books that showed those pictures.
And his initials are on the back of the photos that he bought for $5.
So I gave him $100 for $34.
I thought it was quite generous.
So you have the pictures, you're saying?
Really?
I don't know.
Are they good?
Are they fuzzy?
Yeah, they look like that.
So they're like this.
But see, this...
I wonder how this compares with, you know, do you know the area of the moon?
Because what are those structures?
These are all towns.
I can show you exactly where this is because I did a lot of studies on those photos.
And this...
If we get a good light, you can see the roads.
All around here is a mining area.
You can see the roads there and down here in the crater you can see the dust coming out.
See those roads right there?
And then there's one I have on my computer, the one I gave away.
Unfortunately it has a control tower.
Oh, yeah?
I mean, I would love, you know, John Walson to compare this to his own close-ups and see, you know, how closely they resemble.
Mine would have to be better because it's taken from so much closer.
Well, yes and no.
I mean, that's the conundrum of all these.
Of course, these were airbrushed in his womb.
I just made this drawing to show how the ET's I went to space and this shows a flying saucer and that's space.
And recall, this space is actually a fabric.
You can pull it this way and that way.
And so the gravity generators that are under the saucer, there's three of them, if they focus them all on one Part of space, they can actually pull that space towards them and wrap it around in a heart-shaped...
Cool.
What?
Yeah, it's cool.
That's good.
Then, when they turn off the gravity generator, they're millions of miles away in not even seconds because they pulled that space towards them And they're not going back, they're just, they're there.
Fascinating, yeah.
Mark Richards would like your drawings, I think.
Okay.
And then this, Matt, I just bought, this is one of the creators.
This one, see how white it is?
Matt has always told us that it's just a white sand.
Right?
Yeah.
This is a close-up of where the black triangles fly out of and this is the bump in the road where the guy got out of his car and hiked over those mountains right there and was crossing that valley when he saw the SUVs and
the strip is right there and the reason we know it's right there is because a guy, a friend of mine who was a 727 captain was flying from Salt Lake to San Francisco On a daily basis, back and forth, with a co-pilot who had worked there.
And when they'd come this way, the co-pilot would say, see those two peaks?
It's right there.
The strip's right there.
And what they do is they tell them, the guys that work there, that they hide it with mirrors.
They don't.
They hide it with the machine that hides, like, for instance, 9-11?
Those were airplanes.
Those were holograms.
Right.
Okay.
Clear on that?
Okay.
Yes.
Let's go that way.
Yeah, no, and you're one of the people that, you know, brought that to everyone's attention.
The holograms.
Really?
And you should know you're the pilot.
You know what it takes to pilot an airplane to do the...
Pose and things that they were claiming.
See if you can stand there.
Alright.
And see that lower left hand sand.
Pile of sand.
A craft?
Or some kind of spaceport or something?
It's construction of some kind.
I mean it looks kind of like a parked saucer, I suppose.
So what are you saying about that?
Is that the bright, that's the bright thing that is in that crater?
Yeah, that's what NASA calls the sea.
Right.
It's lit up, like from the inside.
It's very bright, incredibly bright.
So where do you get that photograph?
This is the one I got from the guy in England that took 192 photographs of the moon, stitched them all together digitally.
And then send it to me.
Right.
And then I enlarged what I suspected was not white sand.
Right.
I'm going to take this down because I wanted to show you how beautiful that is.
It is amazing.
Fabulous.
Yeah, that's just...
Now, I'd love to have John Walson aim his camera.
What side of the moon is it on?
The near side.
You can look up at the sky and see it.
If I had that telescope working, I could look and see it.
This is on the near side too, but you wouldn't be able to see it with our telescope, but...
Oh no, this is the far side.
And this is a flying saucer that's been...
Blacked out with an airbrush.
Okay.
And that is a terminal.
Right.
And you can see Terminal 1, Terminal 2, Terminal 3.
Yeah.
And you can see the gates coming out there.
Yep.
And you can see going down there.
And here you can see the control tower.
You can see clearly the roof of that control tower, how it sticks over there.
Right.
And this one is in the crater.
And this is a launch pad of some kind.
Right.
You've seen those beautiful archways there?
And whatever they launch comes down there and off there.
Yeah.
Can you see that?
Yeah, I can.
So are you the only one that has these photos?
Yep.
Wow.
I mean, I posted them, so other people are welcome too.
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