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March 22, 2017 - Project Camelot

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MORMONS & ETS : INTERVIEW WITH MATTHEW HEINES

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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Hi, everyone.
	This is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I'm now going to introduce Matthew Hines to you.
	He's here with me on Skype in the background.
	I think you might have just heard his voice, and he's standing by.
	So let me put him on the screen here.
	Matthew, say hello to everyone, and then I'm going to read your brief bio.
	Hello, everybody.
	It's really nice to be here.
	I've been watching Project Hemalot for a long time, and it's really an honor to be here.
	Thank you, Kerry.
	Welcome to my show!
	He is a graduate of the Washington State University and the University of Alaska in Anchorage.
	And to pay for college, he says he served as a paratrooper in the 82nd Airborne Division, United States Army.
	And there's a little bit more of a bio on my website, projecthamlockportal.com, so you can go ahead and pull that page up if you're interested to hear more.
	And in the meanwhile, welcome, Matthew.
	It's great to have you on the show.
	And from what I understand and from what I read in your book, we're going to cover something to do with Mormons, ETs, and Freemasons.
	So that seems to be our focus tonight.
	And what I'd like you to do at this point is elaborate on your bio and share a bit more about yourself.
	You've got a very interesting background.
	Well, thanks, Carrie.
	You know, as far as philosophically, I'm just going to start off by saying that you and I, although we might agree to disagree on a lot of things, I think philosophically we agree on so many things.
	I think I would quote William Cooper, who once said that over the course of his life he was shown different things and that he was able to put things together and to come up with some kind of meaning.
	What was actually going on?
	And I really feel that that's probably the best.
	I could think of something else to say, but I think what William Cooper said about himself is the same for me.
	I've had a very unique experience growing up.
	I grew up in a small town in Washington State.
	I grew up in a Latter-day Saint church.
	That was basically the focus of life until I went into the military right out of high school.
	And I served in the 82nd Airborne, and I had a chance to go to the Sinai Peninsula.
	I went to Panama, and as I saw things, like for example, and I'll cut this short, but example, I went to Israel, and I went to Old Jerusalem, and I stood in a place where there was a sign that said, during the Crusades, the horses shanked Or the blood from the people being killed was up to the horse's shanks in that spot.
	And for some reason I could kind of think and envision that.
	And ever since then, I've always been a great teacher, especially as far as history goes, because I can kind of describe a place, I can describe a situation.
	And also, I started reading...
	When I first started to read, I was five years old, and I didn't read Tom, Dick, and Harry books.
	I read adult books.
	And by the time I was in seventh grade, I was testing out as a college freshman in comprehension and reading because I'd read so many books.
	So one of my interests has always been this hidden connection between, well, There's a lot of things that have interest to me, but the book is basically about disinformation in our age.
	And I'll just stop here and let you ask another question before I continue.
	Okay, well, that's very nice of you.
	No, I'm very interested in your background in terms of the Middle East.
	Why were you attracted to go to the Middle East?
	I would assume it has something to do with your military background, but then it looks like you extended your stay over there, and I'm curious as to why.
	What was resonating with you?
	Why did you spend so much time there?
	Well, I fell in love with the Middle Eastern culture.
	I happened to get a job teaching in the Sultanate of Oman.
	And also, I should add that when I was in the military, I was in the Sinai Peninsula for six months in the peacekeeping force.
	And you think hanging out in the desert is not the ideal thing to do, but I just loved it.
	And being from Washington State, the idea of sunshine every day I couldn't believe it and I like to scuba dive and swim and so from even from even that very beginning it was always an interest of mine to go back and after September 11th I kind of thought that and this is really I've written three books about this topic and I I don't know how far we want to get into it but after September 11th I really didn't think it was fair
	that these people were being branded That may or may not have had anything to do with what happened in New York and at the Pentagon.
	And so I decided, well, I'm a teacher.
	I think I'm just going to go over there and see if I can, you know, do something good for people and try to prove to them that Americans aren't that bad and that not all of us want to kill Muslims, you know.
	And at that time, I mean, that was so radical.
	When I published my books, nobody really wanted to have anything to do with that kind of thing.
	And Kerry, I've heard you talk about this, that it doesn't sell weapons.
	So that narrative is not something that's going to be really sought after by what you call the mainstream media.
	But that is my attraction to the Middle East, is that I love the culture, I love the people, and there are some caveats That I would add, but I stayed there because I loved being there, and I loved the weather.
	And Oman, if you ever get a chance, read about Oman.
	It is a paradise on Earth.
	Okay.
	Well, actually, I love the Middle East as well.
	I have been briefly to Oman, although I think it was sort of in the rural kind of area right near the ocean, more of a holiday area.
	But I have spent time in Dubai and other places, certainly been all over the Middle East, Jordan, Petra, and also Israel, as well as spent quite a bit of time in Egypt and taking tours in Egypt.
	So I completely...
	I agree with you in the sense that living among those cultures is lovely and actually it's quite cosmopolitan.
	I think people don't realize that there are quite a few people from all different countries in those cultures mixed in.
	And so it's an international community, at least the ones that I was exposed to.
	So that was really wonderful as well.
	It looks like you were teaching over there.
	Is that correct?
	Yes, Kerry, you absolutely get it.
	Yes, Oman is this fantastic international community.
	And there are people from every...
	Saudi Arabia as well, but there are some limitations.
	But yes, it is a completely international community.
	I was part of a program.
	The Sultan of Oman wants to...
	Basically, he wants everybody in the country to speak English.
	English is the second language, but Arabic is the main language.
	So I was hired to go there and teach at a couple of universities.
	And it was just a fantastic life.
	It was a fantastic lifestyle.
	And if you're a young teacher and you want to get out and you have that opportunity, I highly recommend it.
	So what were you teaching over there?
	What was your topic?
	I went to teach English, but I did computers.
	I did math in some cases, some business classes, whatever they needed.
	But mostly my focus was English.
	And also remember that I had different, I worked in different universities with different assignments, and also I was a military contractor in Saudi Arabia as well.
	Okay, so to get into this subject matter that we're talking about, you contacted me because you wanted to talk about Mormons and ETs, and I thought that was kind of a tantalizing topic.
	I know there's a lot of misunderstanding out there about Mormons and their religion, and obviously you are a Mormon, I believe.
	And you also are writing extensively about the story of the religion.
	And so why don't you talk maybe briefly about your introduction to being a Mormon and also your own ET experiences maybe to kick this off and then we'll get more deeply into the whole Joseph Smith thing and so on.
	Okay, I talk about this in the first part of my book, Deceptions of the Ages, but growing up, I would go to church every Sunday, and when you're a Mormon, you normally have to go to church.
	If you're in high school, you have to go to class every morning for church.
	You have to go to church on Wednesdays or Tuesdays for different things, and then they have you doing projects and all the time.
	So your whole life is It's focused around the church, and so I grew up in a town that had more churches than probably people, and I'm joking when I say that, but there was every denomination in a town with like 3,500 people, and I would go to school, and the people, the kids that I went to school with, my friends would say, oh, you're a Mormon, you worship the devil, and so I would say, really?
	Okay, I didn't know that, and I would just go on.
	And it kind of bothered me, but after a while, I started asking people, why do you say that?
	Who told you that?
	Well, we talked about that in church.
	And so that always bothered me because, number one, and even now, when I post things on the Internet, I always get people, and I just want to say, I respect people's opinions, and if you have information that I don't have, Then that's great.
	And I would love to hear that.
	But as far as what I've ever seen, I don't see anything that goes against what has been said in the church.
	So I hear people say that it's not a Christian church.
	Well, it is, because when you go to the Mormon church, it's Jesus this, Jesus that, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, through everything.
	Sure, we go into other topics, like the Old Testament and stuff, but it is called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
	So I never understood, and so I just want to say to people that are listening, if you have that opinion, that's fine.
	I respect that.
	But I don't understand it.
	And that's one of the reasons that I wrote the book.
	And now, the other reason is that why don't people just, and this was a big problem with mine, If you just picked up the Book of Mormon, it's actually very interesting.
	Even if I wasn't a Mormon, I'd read it and say, you know, that's really interesting.
	That sounds like it might be historically accurate, and somebody should look into that.
	And I don't want to get too far into what we're talking about, but I'm going to stop right there and say that is the problem where that book might be interesting to look at.
	And I wrote that book because I wanted to use...
	And I'll just talk about what we just saw with the FBI and Comey.
	He sat in front of the United States, the whole population of the United States, and said, ha ha, if I'm doing an investigation, I don't have to tell the truth.
	I don't have to tell you anything.
	And so this whole world of deception that has been created, basically, you have to follow it all the way back to the conflict between science and religion, and the Mormons are also...
	I'm going to stop you right there because there are a couple people commenting about your sound.
	I've got to say at my end, your sound is great.
	There's no problem with your sound.
	I do have a chat room alongside this show.
	If people do have an issue with the sound, please let us know what the issue is so that Matthew can address it because From our end, he sounds great and very clear.
	So we need a bit more feedback on the sound issue if there is one.
	But now to get back to the topic, Matthew.
	So I understand you're kind of addressing some of the prejudices out there.
	But to cut to the chase a bit, first of all, I guess people will want to know where you got your sort of impression about ETs.
	Whether that comes from first-hand information or it looks like certainly if people do look at your book, they're going to see you studied quite a bit in the area.
	Did you have encounters as a young boy or any of that?
	Okay, yeah.
	We had talked about that earlier, Carrie.
	I just want to say that I don't know what this is.
	This could be a dream.
	I'm a very scientific person.
	And so Carrie and I had just talked about when I was a child, one of my first memories was my brother and my mother and I lived in a house by ourselves outside of the town of Ogden, Utah.
	And a couple of days, a couple of nights, I fell out of bed like twice in a row.
	And when I fell out of bed, somebody came in my room and it was not my mother.
	And it was not a person.
	And they said, get back in the bed.
	And I don't remember anything from until I was like five years old.
	But I was probably three at the time, but I remember that.
	And then later on, and when you think about, I don't know why this would happen, but it happened two nights in a row.
	And I remember running to the door in the morning and And being scared and checking to make sure the door was locked.
	And so I don't know what that was.
	It could have been a dream.
	Who knows what that was?
	But at one time I heard somebody playing a tape on one of these shows and talking about, that was their recording, being abducted.
	And there was a voice that said, don't wake up.
	And I just remember, hey, that sounds like the voice.
	That was one thing, one encounter I had.
	But I'm going to have to jump back into this Mormon thing.
	And the Mormon religion is based on contact with extraterrestrials.
	So I would say that would be the closest thing in my life I've ever come to, except for an experience I talk about in the Sinai, which I didn't actually encounter.
	Sorry to interrupt.
	Someone is saying if you move closer to your own mic computer, that will be better.
	The sound will be a little less muffled, perhaps.
	How's that?
	I think you have your sound on quite loud.
	Maybe you could turn it down just slightly so there's no echo.
	I think you sound fine at my end.
	That means the recording is probably going to be Very decent and we are recording with another device just in case simultaneously but sorry to interrupt this it is an issue with some people have computers that have their own problems with sound and I think that's most of the people listening seem to be getting pretty good sound but just in case that helps okay so you as a child sorry I'll slow down a little bit maybe that'll help okay
	But I think your pacing is fine.
	What I wanted to say is you're saying that as a child, you obviously were taught the Mormon religion.
	You were taught that, I guess it was Joseph Smith had some kind of encounter with off-world beings.
	Is that correct?
	That's correct.
	And assuming that as a child you believed that.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	And can I just qualify this?
	Sure.
	I don't want...
	The idea of my book is not whether or not I believe anything that happened to Joseph Smith.
	The premise of my book is that there are a lot of people who believe this...
	I guess we call it a litany.
	There's a lot of people who are Freemasons who believe a similar litany.
	And there's a lot of people who don't know anything about it except that They, at least in the cases of Latter-day Saints, that they only have many wives, and they just wear funny underwear, and they have a funny Bible.
	They have that Mormon Bible.
	And so they are just discouraged from investigating anything.
	And so that is why I wrote the book, because the world that is actually out there, I can't remember who said it, but it's stranger than we can imagine.
	Now, Kerry, again, objectively, just forget that I believe this stuff.
	I'm telling you that there are a group of people that believe that Joseph Smith had encounters with extraterrestrial beings, and that is the premise of how there's a connection between extraterrestrials and Mormons, And growing up, that was no big deal, that there were extraterrestrials.
	Sure there are.
	Okay, so can you talk about the nature of the ETs that Joseph Smith talks about being in contact with?
	And I think he also believes he was visited by, at least from what I read, God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost, if I got that correct.
	That's correct.
	Not the Holy Ghost.
	The Holy Ghost is a different thing.
	Again, let me just explain to your audience.
	We're looking at this in an objective fashion.
	And yes, Joseph Smith said that he talked to Jesus and God and they told him certain things.
	And then he had other visitations from other extraterrestrial visitors and That match a certain physical characteristic.
	And if we can just stop there for a second.
	One of the things I talk about in my book is that we have evolved with science.
	And I have a nice couple chapters where I explain physics.
	Where there are really no...
	There's no angels.
	There's no mysteries.
	There's no magic anymore.
	It can all be explained now.
	And so I go into detail in my book to point out that Whether it's in the Latter-day Saint scriptures, as you call them, or in the Bible, all of the descriptions of these beings are all the same.
	Why don't they differ at all?
	Why are they all radiant and glowing white?
	And that's why I go into a discussion of physics in my book, because we can now understand, well, where are these beings from?
	Why are they radiating light?
	What are the physical properties of the universe that limits to what they can do and what they can be in our dimension?
	Okay, but let's get back to the ETs that Joseph Smith met with.
	You said they looked a certain way.
	What way did they look?
	Carrie, according to the description, they were glowing and their feet didn't touch the ground and they were radiant and they were whiter Than anything like the sun.
	They were supposedly brighter than the sun.
	Okay.
	Were they humanoid?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	And you are, I take it from...
	Carrie, can I stop you there?
	I'm sorry, but I just wanted to add here that I wasn't there.
	Okay?
	Well, I'm assuming you're telling me what you were taught.
	So that goes without saying.
	Okay, when I ask you what Joseph Smith supposedly saw or this or that, I'm assuming you're going to tell me from what you were taught or what you studied, even as a historian.
	And so that's all I'm asking.
	So according to the story, how it goes, he saw these luminous beings and they were humanoid.
	And they also appeared...
	It sounds, from the sound of it, to also be a lot like the way the Bible describes what they call angels in the Bible.
	Is that correct?
	Yes.
	Okay, so no problem.
	But did Joseph Smith make a distinction, not calling them angels, calling them other kinds of beings?
	Well, they came and introduced themselves as God, and this is my son Jesus.
	Okay, so the same beings that were ETs were the meetings with God and Jesus?
	Well, the first meeting.
	There were other meetings.
	Okay, the other meetings were with other ETs that were not God and Jesus?
	Yes.
	So when you're saying ETs, I'm sure you are, we just mean that they're just beings not hidden from here.
	Right.
	Extraterrestrial means off-planet.
	Off-planet.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay, so yes.
	Yes, he had a number of different visitations.
	He got a visitation from the person that gave him the plates that he translated into the Book of Mormon.
	He had visitors who gave him, we talked about it earlier, the priesthood, the two priesthoods.
	Okay, and the beings, how he characterized them, he called them...
	How did he characterize them?
	If he didn't call them angels, what did he call them?
	He called...
	Personages.
	Okay, fair enough.
	And when you were a kid, did you think that those beings came from off-planet?
	I was told they came from wherever God lives.
	Carrie, I'm really going to have to stop here because there are, what I'm going to talk, I don't want to step on any, like, Mormon toes, okay?
	Okay.
	If you'll give me that.
	Sure.
	The Mormon Church, okay, Joseph Smith was, he believed in extra, he believed in outside civilizations.
	He believed in communicating with them.
	There was some information that we can talk about later about his ideas about how the Freemasons should be communicating with these alien entities, and they didn't like it.
	So, I lost my train of thought there.
	All right.
	Well, you can jump to what you just said.
	So he had a certain point of view that he told...
	Joseph Smith was a Freemason initially, and then I guess he was sort of...
	became a persona non grata in that organization at a certain point.
	But you're saying that he wanted to...
	Have the Freemasons behave in a certain way towards these beings?
	Is that what you're saying?
	Yes, that was one of the things that upset the Freemasons about what Joseph Smith was doing.
	And what I wanted to say that I kind of lost my train of thought was that when Joseph Smith died, all of this talk about alien civilizations and extraterrestrials and outside beings, it was cut out.
	Brigham Young took the church.
	He had to take everybody out of Salt Lake City, and so he changed.
	There was no more of this talk about anything out there.
	He changed the entire church, and that still exists today.
	It is an Old Testament style, 40 years in the wilderness kind of church, and that is because Brigham Young changed it.
	There are a lot of very free-thinking Mormons or Latter-day Saints, but The core of the church wants just the basic gospel and nothing else to be associated with the church.
	So people in the church might say, why is this guy talking about this stuff?
	But when you get into the Latter-day Saints scriptures, it's full of contact with outside beings, outside intelligences.
	Okay, fair enough.
	And in your own experience, you only had one experience where you...
	You thought you were visited by an off-planet being.
	Is this correct?
	Or you just had a sort of paranormal experience?
	How would you qualify that?
	Well, okay, so we can talk about...
	I had, when I was in the Army, I was on a team that was selected to compete in this kind of athletic competition.
	With these other countries at a different base.
	And so when I arrived at the base, we offloaded our stuff and we got situated.
	I ran into these Fijians.
	And they told me they were freaked out.
	And people on the base were all freaked out.
	And they told me that the night before, this spaceship, this saucer, had come down.
	And I put a thing on YouTube.
	A couple days ago about it.
	It's a very skimmed over article about what happened.
	But this craft came down, sat outside of the camp, and they put the entire camp on alert.
	And by the time that everybody had drawn their weapons and ran for their foxholes, the thing had taken off.
	So as far as my own personal encounters, these guys told me that it happened.
	And one guy was a Fijian, or a colonel in the Fijian army.
	So So that was really my only extraterrestrial encounter.
	Except, well, that's it.
	Okay.
	But you were at the base at the time, but you didn't see anything.
	Is that correct?
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	So you heard about it.
	Exactly.
	And they also printed it up in the camp newspaper, in the camp magazine.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Now you have taken it upon yourself to do some study in the ET area and assuming you said that when you were growing up that learning about sort of off-planet interactions was not considered that unusual in the Mormon faith.
	Is that correct?
	Or are you saying actually the Brigham Young thing stepped in and that suddenly it was considered quite bizarre and has been ever since?
	How would you qualify that?
	Alright, are you ready for this?
	Okay, so all your viewers put on your tinfoil hats because here it comes.
	Battlestar Galactica.
	You've heard of that Remember that TV show?
	Yeah, I love that TV show.
	Okay.
	What are these people doing?
	They're out there somewhere.
	They're trying to find Earth.
	Guess what?
	Mormon idea, right?
	This is a Mormon belief.
	The Latter-day Saints believe there are 10 tribes of the tribes of Israel that are lost.
	And there are people in the church who believe those tribes are off-planet and they're coming back.
	So Battlestar Galactica...
	Actually, is a Mormon idea.
	Okay.
	Well, actually, I wouldn't quite qualify it that way, but I can appreciate the parallels.
	Now, you're saying that, in other words, they didn't leave Earth because of any cataclysm and go out to outer space and then try to come back.
	They actually left.
	They came from somewhere else to Earth.
	Is that what you're trying to say?
	In the Mormon faith, I'm talking.
	No, no, no.
	They left earth.
	They were 10 tribes of Israel.
	And Carrie, I'm lacking in information on this, but there are 12 tribes of Israel, and 10 of them are missing.
	And so there are beliefs, and so that's where that...
	Battlestar Galactica idea came from.
	Okay, in the Mormon faith, they believe...
	Remember Captain Adama?
	Yes.
	Yes, absolutely.
	There are 12 tribes of Israel.
	That's not only in the Mormon belief, by the way.
	That's very common.
	There are 12 tribes.
	I think the Jews believe that.
	Yeah, and there are 12 tribes, and 10 of them are missing, meaning, I'm talking only according to the Mormon faith now, are those 10 tribes, they used to be on Earth, and they've left, and so you're calling it missing off Earth?
	Or is there some other depiction that you're trying to make?
	Yes, gone off planet.
	Okay, and so they've never, they don't have, do they have descendants here in the Mormon faith?
	Okay, now, Carrie, we're going to have to...
	I'm telling you, this is a group of people's beliefs.
	Right.
	And I don't know.
	I can't answer any more questions.
	Beyond that, there is a belief that ten of the tribes of Israel are missing...
	And they will come back in the last days.
	Okay, but I was asking, this is a logical, just a logical thing.
	If the 10 of the tribes are missing, are they saying that all of the 10 tribes are missing?
	Or do they say there are some descendants left behind who are other, you know, maybe Mormons or other tribes?
	Or do they just believe they're all, all 10 tribes are completely missing and are gone from the earth?
	I can't answer that.
	Why don't you throw that into the chat room?
	Because, you know, again, religion is arbitrary and we're just talking about a belief system.
	And I don't know, are all 12 tribes off of the earth?
	Are only some off the earth and some are on the earth?
	Well, I thought perhaps it might be written in your book.
	What's that?
	I thought perhaps this information might be written in the book.
	You're saying it's a belief, but now you're saying it's kind of a folk belief.
	In other words, there is nothing written down that is known by all Mormons and agreed upon.
	You're saying it varies from person to person, this philosophy.
	Correct.
	I mean, we talked about it also earlier that when I was a child, one of my friend's fathers said, That the Tower of Babel was a rocket ship.
	And actually, that was probably the first introduction I had.
	And he said, yeah, they just couldn't...
	They didn't have the language to describe it.
	So if you didn't know what a tall ship was, like the Saturn rockets, you'd call them a tower.
	So that was kind of my first introduction to us.
	So there's a...
	There's a subculture in the church that speculates about this kind of stuff, and there's also no end of books written by members of the church that touch on these subjects.
	Okay.
	Fair enough.
	Because, you know, beliefs are one thing, but the sort of codified religion, what is written in the books, is another.
	And so we're kind of vacillating between those two things, right?
	What is so-called being taught in Mormon temples and what is actually being sort of bandied about as sort of a folk religion.
	A folk base of knowledge, which is believed by some and perhaps others don't quite follow that.
	So in terms of the Freemasons, the Mormons, and the ETs, what else did you want to share with us that comes from your book?
	Well, the first thing I want to talk about is, okay, the book itself is called Deceptions of the Ages and quote-unquote Mormons.
	Mormons is a derogatory term that I don't like to use and the reason that I use it in the book is because and I use the example of Mormons because we live in a culture now where our thinking is done for us and there's no better example I mean there might be better examples but The LDS Church is the best example that I can think of as
	far as this conflict between...
	I don't know.
	Well, there's so many things that we'd have to go into, but the book is basically about opposing forces, if I can say that.
	And the Latter-day Saint Church appeared...
	At the same time as another organization that we know as the Rothschild Baking Organization, right?
	And so I want people to understand out there, okay, so just going back to my Mormon thing, it is called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
	People call it the Mormon Church because when the church started, people don't know this, the first big immigration problem the United States had was all of these Mormons It's coming from Europe because Joseph Smith was sending missionaries to people saying, Jesus came back, he gave us these books, these books are about this culture in America, and everything's new.
	And so all these people in Europe were coming and settling in Nauvoo, Illinois, and people complained about it because all these people were coming from Europe.
	And so at that time, people decided they had to get, you know, To stop these people from converting.
	So have you ever read the Book of Mormon?
	No.
	Why not?
	Well, I'm not a really religious person.
	I'm spiritual.
	And there are a lot of religious books I have not read for lack of interest.
	But I'm not saying that maybe that's not an interesting book.
	I'm sure it is.
	Can I ask you?
	I have had some Mormon friends.
	Okay.
	But what's in it?
	Do you know?
	Well, we're having you on the show to interview you, so why don't you talk about what it is that you want to talk about with regard to Mormons, Freemasons, and ETs, which is a subject matter.
	The subject here is not whether I've read the Book of Mormon.
	Right.
	Okay, what I'm getting at is that I'm trying to find a reason why.
	Why you wouldn't have just said, okay, well, what's the big to-do about it?
	I'll just...
	Well, I'm not a big fan of the Bible either, or the Quran, for that matter.
	Carrie, I'm not talking about you.
	No, I'm just saying, in general, I think a lot of people, or maybe this is generalization, may not have read that book, but they may not have singled it out not to read.
	It depends whether someone reads.
	Oftentimes, people read religious books because they grow up in a religious family.
	Okay, so I'm just going to jump back into this because I just wanted to point out that there is no such thing as a Mormon.
	A Mormon was the, if you see the guy on the temple, when you go by one of the Mormon temples, there's a guy standing there with a trumpet and he is calling the world to repentance.
	His father was Mormon.
	And he was a general, and he was one of the last ones that wrote in the Book of Mormon before they stashed it away, and Joseph Smith got it.
	So that's who Mormon is.
	They're cutting up with Mormon because they don't want people, and even today, it's there.
	Everybody, and I get it every time I post something on the Internet, well, Mormons aren't Christians.
	I don't know how you could be more Christian than I really don't, you know, and how these people without ever, well, if you know so much, why don't you just investigate it?
	And the reason they don't is because of this thing that we saw in the election.
	You know, we are programmed that they lie to us about everything, and, you know, if this election had not just happened, I don't know if we would even be having this conversation, but now we're to the point where people understand That we've been lied to about everything.
	And there is something going on.
	Well, Project Kamala has been well aware of this fact since we started Operation 11 years ago.
	So we could easily have this conversation any time.
	We didn't need Trump to tell us that we were lied to.
	Yeah, but to be able to say, no, no, no, look, we have information that they've been slandering this stuff, and you really ought to look into it.
	Because if you want to look at some ET stories, forget about Roswell.
	There are some great extraterrestrial stories in the Latter-day Saint Litany.
	And that's what I say in my book, with all the science we have, a lot of people have tried to disprove this stuff, but nobody has.
	Okay, well, that's a very interesting statement right there.
	You just said there's lots of stories about ETs, I think is how you qualified it, in the Latter-day Saints books.
	So why don't you talk about some of those stories?
	Alright, so the second contact that Joseph Smith had was with Nephi, who is the guy on the temple, and he came into his room and told him, And he came in and appeared over the course of an evening, and he was just a being of light that came in, and he was wearing a white robe, and he said that you've been chosen to do this work, and you're going to do it, and blah, blah, blah.
	And he had the same visitation three times during the night, and later on he was shown the Book of Mormon.
	So...
	You know, there are a lot of people having these kinds of visitations, even today.
	I see light beings all the time, for example.
	And what I was wondering is, what did he feel about this individual in terms of...
	What we call the Archons, which is, you know, written about as well in the scrolls, the Nakamati scrolls, as well as what we know of as the Anunnaki that are referred to in, let's say, the Sumerian tablets.
	So would he have qualified this person as being a member of one of those groups?
	Now you're thinking, yes.
	You know, that's a great question because what you're thinking of is you're classifying these beings.
	And I would say no.
	And that's why I said that all of the descriptions of beings you get in the Bible or in the Latter-day Saints I hate to say that because they're only everybody's books, but In the Latter-day Saint scriptures is that these are beings that emit light, and they're all the same.
	So, is this a certain kind of being?
	You know, do they inhabit a certain universe?
	Do they have certain properties?
	Do they interact with these other physical beings?
	Who knows?
	But you are...
	I see what you're saying.
	What kinds of beings are these?
	And I would just say that, based on those descriptions, they're beings that come from a dimension where, when they cross into our dimension, they emit so much energy that, and if we understand that light is emitted when photons,
	when a photon is emitted when an electron jumps, Then these beings are just really highly energetic beings when they cross into our dimension.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Let me see.
	It looks like somebody in the chat is saying that they think that Joseph Smith said the personages that came to him told them they were from the Pleiades.
	Is that true?
	Yes.
	You know, I don't know that, and I would have to say that's not...
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	So you haven't read that?
	That's not written about in...
	It's not written about in the Book of Mormon, I assume.
	No, but Carrie, I think that if you were to hear this and not hear somebody say that God and Jesus were involved, you would say, well, they're from the Pleiades.
	I can't say it.
	The Pleiades.
	Well, I wouldn't say that, but you're saying perhaps somebody else would.
	I mean, that's what this person is claiming indeed.
	Where they're getting their information, I don't know.
	Perhaps they can elaborate.
	So you yourself have not come across that as being in what you might call the teachings that you grew up with or even in the folklore that might surround any of it.
	Yeah, can you let me talk about philosophy for a second?
	Sure.
	Alright, so let's talk about your Pleiadians.
	What are the descriptions of them?
	They encouraged when they visited us, they wanted us to do good, right?
	And they wanted to give us good technology.
	Is that correct?
	Well, that is what some people say.
	And then the reptilians, they wanted the Do weapons and wars and things like that, right?
	Yes, although William Tompkins is talking about our space program being assisted by the Pleiadians and that those particular, some of them were at least from the Pleiades, and that they are trying to arm us to fight the reptilians, so they're not completely peaceful.
	Well, okay.
	That's a road I don't really want to go down, but I just want to say that there is a good and there is what we call an evil, right?
	And that is based on what these people's objectives are, right?
	The Pleiadians want to help us and the reptilians, they want to go out and kill people and conquer people, correct?
	That's the understanding.
	Yes, most of them.
	Okay.
	So that is a key principle for That you're going to find out that runs throughout my book.
	Is that good, and I want people to understand this, I know things look bad, and I know the world looks crazy, but good and evil have to exist.
	They have to coexist together.
	And the more evil that there is, that just means that there is more good that is on the way.
	And if you read my book, I go into a lot of detail about that.
	But there is a principle in the Latter-day Saint philosophy, and that is it was talked about by a guy named Nephi, not the same one, but he said there must be opposition in all things.
	And so, Kerry, I know that when I say that, I know that rings a bell, because that is a physical universal principle that you know about.
	Of course.
	So that is something that is just always going to be like that.
	So if you have a church that...
	And again, I'm just talking about people's beliefs.
	This church doesn't teach anything but doing good to people, right?
	And Carrie, I've listened to you talk, and you are so close to being a Mormon.
	It's so funny because...
	All of your beliefs and everything, you sound so much like a Mormon.
	And I go, gosh, she'd probably at least recognize the philosophy here.
	But you have one side that wants to do just good to people, and then you have the world, right?
	And that world just destroys any idea that people have about all the people in the world that are trying to do good.
	And they want to bring into the light all the evil and the hate and everything you see today.
	So I just want people to understand that that's now, but it won't stay like that.
	Okay, so what you're saying is it's the Mormon philosophy that...
	Even though we live in a polarity in the 3D, that it's not going to stay that way.
	So they believe in an ascension path of some kind, or they believe in changing dimensions to where they're going up Up the dimensions to where there is not going to be just a polarity.
	There are some that say there are polarities all through the dimensions until you get to quite a high level.
	So, you know, is that what you're relating?
	Because you somehow got off on to this good versus evil notion, which, of course, everyone's familiar with.
	So what are you trying to say with that as far as the Normans are concerned?
	Well, is that people are, and again, we are talking about, we are talking because there is a connection between extraterrestrials and the Latter-day Saints.
	That's why we're having this discussion.
	I'm telling you this because people are discouraged from looking into this.
	I mean, people, they talk about Roswell and Solar Warden and the Pleiadians and the Reptilians and And on and on, but when you bring up something like, oh, you know, Joseph Smith says these people came from Israel and settled in America, and they just get angry, you know, because people are so programmed to be angry about certain things.
	And we see that now with these, what they call the snowflakes, the people that didn't support Trump.
	I mean, you just bring up the, they are so conditioned now that you bring up Trump And they are automatically conditioned to get angry and start doing things.
	And so I use the example of my book to show people that, yes, this has been going on for some time, and obviously it's just getting worse.
	Okay.
	Now, in terms of what, I guess, just this, again, the ETs and the Mormons and the Freemasons, There seems to have been a departure between the Mormons who initially start as Freemasons and then become, you know, Latter-day Saints or whatever it is.
	So why don't you talk a little bit about the distinction between being a Mormon or a Latter-day Saint and a Freemason and that sort of break that occurred?
	All right.
	The break occurred.
	Joseph Smith's father...
	And his older brother were both Freemasons.
	His father was a 33rd degree Freemasons.
	When Joseph Smith started bringing people like Brigham Young into the church, Brigham Young was a Freemason.
	They recruited from the blacksmiths, the engineers, the carpenters, the people that built things, and especially they recruited among Masons, people that were members of the Freemason Society.
	So at one point later on during the history of Joseph Smith's time in the church, they said, look, you know, we're all Freemasons.
	You really ought to investigate it.
	And so he did, and they sent to a Freemason Lodge, and they sent somebody out, and on the spot, he made Joseph Smith a 33-degree Freemason.
	And so, once Joseph Smith started to participate with the Freemasons, he was also, he put out what is called the Pearl of Great Price.
	They were building the temple in Nauvoo, and he was saying things like the fact that, and this is, I'd have to look at my notes to get the author, but he started saying that the Freemasons should start making direct contact with with alien civilizations and that they were wrong in not doing so and that many of the signs and I hope I don't if
	there's Freemasons listening all this stuff is available on the internet and I don't want to be disclosing any information but Joseph Smith said that there were ways to recognize other personages other beings not from this world And to tell whether they were good or not.
	Because people, and we talked about the priesthood, people who own the priesthood know certain signs that they can show to show that they're good beings or bad beings.
	So when we were earlier talking about the Pleiadians and the Reptilians, and we didn't know where that was going, that kind of has something to do with that.
	That Joseph Smith was aware that there were, and I would give you the direct quote, I'm not going to do it now, but just generally he said that there were a number of or vast other civilizations and lawgivers that we should be communicating with that are, of course, not of this earth.
	Okay, that sounds...
	And the Freemasons didn't like that.
	The Freemasons didn't like that at all.
	And they also didn't like the fact that He was doing temple ceremonies and he was disclosing certain Freemason Rites.
	Okay, well, that sounds very open-minded of Joseph Smith.
	So this is sort of an additional piece of information.
	So you're basically saying that Joseph Smith talked about races of beings from other planets.
	When you initially talked about it, he said he was only visited by these beings of light that you said came straight from God or Jesus.
	But now you're saying he was aware of other civilizations out on planets off of Earth and that he was advising the Freemasons to deal with those beings more directly.
	I assume that what he was really doing was addressing what we know of as magic and the occult and the way the Freemasons use magic and the occult to communicate With unseen beings and beings from other dimensions in their magical acts.
	Did Joseph Smith talk about that?
	Well, no.
	And the direct quote, I'm not really going to stray very far from that quote.
	As far as I understand it from that quote, we are talking about physical, not spirits, not Being possessed or whatever, but I can see you standing in front of me.
	I can communicate with you.
	As far as the Freemasons, I don't know what they do.
	But I know none of that is involved with The Latter-day Saints.
	Okay, but my question was actually whether Joseph Smith, when he was advising the Freemasons, he was talking about how they deal with civilizations off-planet, correct?
	He was recommending that they increase their contact with them.
	Right, and so he felt that they could be dealt with face-to-face.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Yeah, I assume so.
	I don't know what his thinking was.
	I do know that the Freemasons didn't like him saying that and they also didn't like the fact that he told them that they possessed a corrupt priesthood.
	Fair enough.
	But why, I am curious, so why didn't they like him saying that they should deal directly with off-planet entities, beings or whatever you want to call them, personages, doesn't matter what the word is.
	In other words, what I call perhaps off-planet civilizations, that seems like good advice.
	Why not deal with them directly?
	That doesn't sound like an insult of any kind.
	It just sounds like, you know, deal with somebody directly.
	So, do you know what the reply or what the objection was from the Freemasons to Joseph Smith that has come down through the history that you have been taught?
	They killed him.
	You think that he was killed because he said that?
	Well, I'm just going to say this.
	Him saying the thing about them having more contact with alien races and And civilizations and lawgivers.
	That was just one thing.
	I mean, he's doing temple ceremonies.
	He's building temples.
	He had introduced the Book of Moses in the Pearl of Great Price, and they were not happy about that because there are things that are revealed in that from the Book of Enoch, which is another extraterrestrial story about an entire civilization.
	That is taken off the face of the earth because they become so good.
	So he had done a few things to make them angry and throughout his life he had been beaten and he had been jailed in Missouri.
	They basically left him in a cellar to die for six months until he broke out.
	And when he said that he had told the Freemasons that he had told them about the The priesthood and the other things, and that they were doing the temple ceremonies.
	He told everybody, look, my time's done.
	I don't have much time left, so we need to start making preparations for somebody else to take over the church.
	Okay, well, it also starts to sound like Joseph Smith was borrowing, having been trained.
	If you're a Freemason, you're given the honorary 33rd degree.
	You're brought into a secret society and he sounds like he was taking some of the secret society's practices and perhaps publicizing them and incorporating them into his own so-called church, correct?
	That is correct.
	And so they didn't like that.
	I appreciate that.
	But I think, you know, to be honest with you, I'm just gonna, you know, tell you from my interpretation of this, because I do know a great deal about the occult, that what you're describing is actually a sort of war between magicians,
	and that I don't know whether the Mormons have, I do think they have some secret books, But I think you are grazing the surface of this actual sort of dilemma between Joseph Smith and the Freemasons.
	That at the crux of it is actually a sort of a war between magicians and a kind of a power war.
	And one kind of saying the other group is not really following certain practices as well as they could.
	And they're also possibly dark magicians versus what perhaps Joseph Smith was trying to create, which is a more white magician or magic magician.
	It is interesting because Joseph Smith practices, you and I may talk about semantics here, but a ritual in a church is a magical act.
	And so if you borrow rituals from one group and you use them in a different setting, And you perhaps rewrite them.
	In a sense, you're rewriting a magical act.
	And so that's, in essence, what it sounds like at the root of it we're really talking about, which is nothing wrong with there being a disagreement on that level.
	I'm just saying to understand what you're saying and to go deeper into it, you'd really have to go into the magical practices side of things.
	Yeah, I just get this image of the coon hat with the...
	Saturn and moons on it.
	Well, that's not how, I mean, yeah, I appreciate that.
	It's kind of more of an occult term, magician in a market.
	Yeah, if that's the term that you want to apply to it, that's exactly right, because, and I am not a Freemason, and I don't know what their rituals are, and all I do know is that there was the claim that he had taken them,
	Like the baptisms, the temple endowments, the baptisms for the dead, and I don't know if the Freemasons do baptisms for the dead, and the marriage ritual, I think.
	But okay, so Carrie, let me just stop.
	So let me show you this.
	Now this book, Deceptions of the Ages, I make a point in here, and there's a It's a pretty substantial book, and it's substantial because I have to create, I have to build a fairly large, big argument that has to go all the way through history.
	And so I have to explain what the Bible is, what the Old Testament is.
	And in my book, I take you through, okay, so that priesthood, according to Latter-day Saint beliefs, The priesthood was on the earth a number of times.
	There are two forms of the priesthood, and the higher form of the priesthood, that was the one that Joseph Smith upset the Freemasons about.
	And I saw this on your last presentation.
	I saw the Melchizedek.
	Does that sound familiar?
	Okay, so the higher priesthood in the Latter-day Saint Church is the Melchizedek priesthood.
	Melchizedek was a priest in Jerusalem.
	And he was like the Prince of Peace.
	And so that priesthood has been on the earth at certain times, but it's taken off the earth, the same as what is called the Aaronic priesthood, which is the power to baptize and various other things, but lesser things.
	The priesthood Joseph Smith was talking about was the Melchizedek, because that was handed down from ancient Israel through Solomon's times, Through everything else, and is in the Freemason litany.
	And as Joseph said, you know, I have, because Joseph, you have to think about it, he's not being very humble, and he's saying, no, everything I have is correct.
	You have the stuff that's, you have the old stuff, I have the new stuff, I have the good stuff, so naturally people are going to be offended by that.
	Okay, now we have some people in the chat that are asking questions.
	And so, you know, if you want to say more about that, go ahead.
	But I just want to make you aware that we do try to set aside some time during this interaction for them to ask questions, if you don't mind.
	Yep, ask away.
	Okay, so someone here is asking along these same lines, it appears, if there is a relationship with L. Ron Hubbard, who sort of invented Scientology, if you want to call it that.
	Not that I know of.
	Okay.
	Is there some reason that person is asking that?
	I mean, do they have some other information?
	Okay, perhaps they can explain themselves in a later post here.
	It says, have you made contact with any entities or evil Mormons?
	Not sure what that's about, but that's what the person is asking.
	I understand what they're saying perfectly.
	I'll just say that, yes, the church is made up of people, and people are naturally evil.
	I'm joking.
	The church is made up of people.
	And people are not perfect.
	So there are people that I know use the church to commit all kinds of indecent, unspeakable acts, and you're going to find that anywhere.
	But yeah, I've seen a few, but I've seen a lot of very, very good people in the church.
	Okay, so one thing that's interesting about what you've We're saying about Brigham Young is that he seems to have stepped away from this whole idea of there being beings from other planets.
	I'm assuming he still follows the whole idea of Jesus and God.
	But he apparently stepped away from anything that Joseph Smith was referring to in terms of off-planet civilizations, etc.
	So do you feel that that was a sort of distortion?
	And if so, are there two completely different sects, for example, of the Latter-day Saints?
	One that follow Joseph Smith and one that follow Brigham Young?
	No, no, no.
	Not at all.
	It's just that the speculation about off-planet civilizations is not really official doctrine except for the missing ten tribes of Israel.
	No, it just made the...
	It basically solidified the religion.
	Now, you have to understand that at the time that Brigham Young took over the church, they were at war.
	It was legal to kill Mormons in Missouri, and they were in a running battle in Nauvoo, Illinois, and they just picked up in the middle of winter and left for Salt Lake City.
	And he had his hands full, and so they wanted to go back to the 40 years in the desert mentality of the church.
	And when they got to Utah, of course, they had the Mormon War, and that's illustrated in my book as well.
	But the church has always, until recently, been so much on the defensive.
	There has been no time for any speculation about these other things.
	And I think of people in the church, especially the leadership, they don't want to attract people.
	I don't know.
	I mean, they want to attract people that are just there because they want to do good things for other people, and they want something meaningful in their life, or they want something in the next life, or they don't want people that are there to find out about UFOs and aliens.
	So I think that that's just kind of something that just is talked about outside, you know.
	Okay, so I guess you're saying that the church has no position on UFOs and aliens.
	Is that what you're trying to say?
	They would say look in the scriptures because there's your UFOs and there's your aliens.
	I'll give you one example.
	In the Book of Mormon, there is a family that leaves Jerusalem and they are wandering through the desert and they're lost and in the middle of the A golden ball shows up outside their tent and shows them the direction in which to travel,
	and they go to a certain place, which I think is southern Oman, actually, and we could talk about that forever, but went to a place in southern Arabia to build ships, or built a ship, and took off for America.
	And now this golden ball, where did that come from?
	Okay, why do you say that you could talk about going to southern Haman forever?
	What are you trying to say with that?
	Well, because if you had been to...
	What is the name of that city?
	Have you been to Salala?
	I don't know.
	Well, there's a guy...
	I talk about it in my book.
	There's a guy that...
	His name is George Potter.
	And he's doing the thing called the Nephi Project.
	And he's...
	Basically mapped out the route that this family took through Arabia, and they got down to Salalah, which has trees and enough wood to build ships.
	And he thinks, and I agree with him because I've been there and it's the perfect place, that was their launching point for coming to America.
	And actually, two civilizations in the Book of Mormon built ships and came to America.
	And may have come from that very spot.
	Okay.
	But had you been to Oman, you could probably understand that having that sea, having that coast right there is so inviting to go explore things.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Someone wants to know, what did you think of the playbook of Mormon?
	Does that make sense?
	Is that the one, the play, The Mormons?
	Oh, the play, the play, the play.
	That was from the guys that do South Park.
	Oh, I guess they mean a play, you know, that was put on somewhere, maybe?
	Yeah, the guys that do South Park did a play called The Book of Mormon, and I've never seen it, but I think Matt Stone is a, or Trey, I think Trey Parker is a Mormon.
	I'm sure it's funny, but I'm sure it's something that the church really would frown upon.
	Where they're not offensive, I do like their humor.
	They've made fun of the church in so many of their shows, and I find it very funny.
	Someone wants to know, what does it mean to be a Mormon?
	Norman, what is the point?
	Well, you would have to...
	I'm not the one to answer that.
	I would say it's been beneficial for me because I grew up where education was very important.
	I would not have had the moral upbringing that I've had, and I would not have had the emphasis on learning, And being physically fit and in service to other people and service to my country.
	Everything that I basically am was probably based on my membership in the church early on.
	So I'd say, yeah, it's been good for me.
	I couldn't see myself not.
	Also, I call a practicing Mormon because I'm not very good at it and I need to practice.
	Okay.
	That's a joke, in case anybody out there...
	All right.
	Some people...
	Someone is asking, do Marmas believe that Machiseldeck was taken by the angel Gabriel, Michael in some manuscripts, to the Garden of Eden and was thus preserved from the Deluge without having been in Noah's Ark?
	ARC?
	I, um, no.
	I'm going to say no.
	I've never heard that, but I'm sorry, I would have to really look that up.
	There's a very brief description of Melchizedek in the Bible, and that's it.
	So, wherever this other information is coming from, I don't know.
	Now, did Melchizedek get taken up?
	He may have.
	Enoch did.
	The whole city of Enoch got taken up.
	Okay, and when you use the phrase taken up, what are you saying?
	Well, okay, so here we go back to my book about how we now understand things that we didn't understand before because we have science.
	All right, so in the book of Enoch, he is taken up, but he has to be given special And it even says that in the description.
	He has to be given special clothes in order for him to be able to talk to God.
	So what I'm trying to get at here is that we understand the science that this is obviously a being that emits some kind of energy or whatever.
	But he could not, in his physical body, talk to God.
	Okay?
	Why is it important to put that in the story?
	Why don't you just say, he talked to God.
	Why is it important to say that he's been whatever?
	Now, the city of Enoch, according to the Latter-day Saint beliefs, was translated.
	What does that mean?
	It just means that in order to be in that other world...
	You have to change.
	You have to change your structure, your atomic structure.
	I don't know what it means.
	Okay, so they had to raise their vibration.
	It would be a more modern way of saying it.
	Okay, there you go.
	Okay.
	Fair enough.
	Let me see if there's any other questions here to...
	And I do want to include, you know, I am asking people to ask questions in the chat.
	It helps if you put it in all caps.
	So here's another one.
	Well, someone was asking about the polygamy issue.
	I'm sure you guys always get that question.
	Do you want to address it in any form?
	Yeah.
	Polygamy is...
	It was practiced by Joseph Smith when...
	They had all of these, most of the people who were, or I shouldn't say most, but a good portion of the people who were converting to the church were women.
	A good portion of them were married women.
	And so they came to the church by, oh, guess what?
	Your husband, he's not a Mormon.
	Well, according to the Mormon litany, you can't advance into what happens in the next life unless you're married to a Mormon and you do the Oh, wait, wait.
	Okay, that's really interesting.
	So they think you have to be married to a Mormon in order to progress in the next life?
	Okay, again, these are people's beliefs.
	Yes.
	Okay, just clarifying that, that's very interesting.
	Okay, yeah.
	Okay, so there were not a lot of men, and so with the shortage of women, he married all kinds of, he married, I don't know, I think 40 Some of these were very old, old women, just so they could go through the temple and do the temple ceremonies so that they could get into the kingdom when they die.
	Oh, okay.
	So this is a very male-dominated religion, in other words.
	That's okay.
	You don't know very many Mormons, I guess.
	Not at all male-dominated, very female.
	Well, if you have to marry a male to progress in the kingdom of heaven, you have to be what?
	You must be married.
	You have to complete the marriage.
	Okay, but you have to be married to a Mormon man, assuming man, a Mormon male for your soul to progress into the kingdom of heaven.
	Is that correct?
	That's correct.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	Okay, well, Carrie, again, these are people's beliefs, and I just want to emphasize...
	We totally get that, but I have a reaction to that, obviously.
	It's not the only religion that likes to put reasons and rules and regulations upon your entry into...
	So-called heaven or, you know, communion with God, etc.
	Certainly the Catholic Church does this sort of thing as well.
	So I'm not singling you out.
	I'm just clarifying it for the listeners so that what you're trying to say is clear.
	And someone was asking about polygamy, and this absolutely gets into the crux of why they have polygamy, as you're saying.
	And it has to do with getting into the kingdom of heaven, no doubt.
	Totally.
	Okay, let me finish that.
	The Mormon belief is, and you'll love this, men are horrible.
	There are going to be way more women in heaven than there are men.
	And that is why they talk about plural marriages.
	Because in heaven, there's not going to be that many men.
	And so that's the belief.
	Do I know that?
	Have I been to heaven?
	Not that I can remember, so I don't know.
	But at any rate, you believe in...
	I mean, even believing in heaven is part of their situation, right?
	Yes.
	But anyway, Carrie, I really didn't...
	I wanted to talk about UFOs and...
	Well, I think we have done that.
	Please don't be offended.
	You know, someone asked a question.
	You're answering it.
	We can move on to the next question.
	And I think we've definitely been dealing with beings from other planets, etc., and the Mormon interaction and their philosophies, etc.
	So that was just one question in many.
	So someone else wants to know, let me see, there are quite a bit of questions going by quite quickly.
	So if you just hold on one second here, I want to grab one.
	Okay.
	Someone wants to know, isn't religion just mythology?
	Do you want to address that question?
	I absolutely agree.
	I agree to some extent with that.
	Religion is a belief system that historically has been meant to control people.
	I would just say this.
	If I was not a member of the Latter-day Saint Church, I would not belong to any church.
	Because I know enough about history to know about how people have been manipulated over the course of history.
	And if Joseph Smith had come out with these claims in any other time, they would have just killed him.
	But what I just want to say to your listeners...
	is that I have investigated and I've spent all of my life studying history and all I find are things that support this belief system and I encourage your listeners if they're really curious there's a thing the church has called the Articles of Faith 13 very short paragraphs that spell out what the church believes and the The most important,
	I think, along with we believe in God, the Eternal Father, and His Son, Jesus Christ, is we believe in doing good unto all men, and letting people worship where, when, and how they might, and basically doing good unto all people, and incorporating everything that is good.
	And so that is the basic tenet of the Of the entire church.
	And so for me, philosophically, having studied people like Socrates and Plato, Confucius, and the teachings of Jesus and the teachings of Muhammad, you know, this idea that you really just have to lead a good life where you help other people and no other life is worth living, that's the Mormon belief and that works for me.
	So all of the The heavens and what happens here and what happened with Joseph Smith, I don't care about.
	To me, it's philosophically sound.
	And it's the most philosophically sound thing I've ever felt.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	I mean, that's very clear and that's great.
	Now, someone...
	I don't know if this relates to anything that you've heard about in the Mormon belief system, but someone is asking...
	How do you inherit your own planet when you die?
	I'm not sure why they're asking that question.
	Is that something in the Mormon system?
	Absolutely.
	You know, again, there's a whole thing that you would probably find interesting if you looked at.
	But, yeah, the Latter-day Saints believe that at a certain level you...
	Attain a certain state.
	And all I would say to that is that what happens when you die and you become a different being, how can we possibly compare anything that we know now to something that happens then?
	So when people say, oh, you inherit your own planet.
	Because there's this idea that, oh, you become a god.
	And this is part of a belief system.
	Let me rephrase that.
	The Latter-day Saints believe that when you achieve the highest degree of heaven, that eventually you become a god.
	How that happens, I don't know.
	But let me qualify that by saying the United States government understands this.
	Mitt Romney was almost the Secretary of State.
	He believes this.
	There are very many people in our CIA, our FBI, our government, our military...
	That all believe this and will die.
	Believing that man becomes a god.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Believing that man becomes a god.
	Is that what you're saying?
	They believe man becomes a god.
	Yes, this is actually, you know, let me say, look, this is not unknown, and I believe my listeners will be very familiar with this concept.
	This is a very common belief in the Freemasons as well.
	And I can say magicians of all kinds would probably use that language as well.
	Now, what being a god entails is another matter.
	And I'm sure that different sort of sects and groups and so on and so forth would have different theories on what being a god entails or being god-like.
	And so you're saying in the Mormon religion they believe that Part of becoming a god is inheriting your own planet.
	Is that correct?
	I don't know what that means.
	I really don't.
	What you said, you did answer the question saying inheriting your own planet is something that Mormons believe.
	That happens if you become a god.
	Correct?
	Okay.
	Well, alright.
	So let's go down this road.
	To your listeners, just please bear with me for a second.
	Okay, if I am a God, and Jesus, according to the Latter-day Saint beliefs, I don't want to step on anybody's toes here, Latter-day Saints believe that Jesus is a God.
	So, in the Book of Mormon, it says, and worlds without number, and worlds without number have I created, and And I've created them in the name of my only begotten.
	Worlds without number.
	So, if Jesus is a God, and I'm a God, and I only get one planet, then I'm not going to be very happy.
	Why did Jesus get so much?
	So, I would say, well, if you attain that, then maybe you get more than one planet.
	Because Jesus got worlds without number.
	So...
	Okay, fair enough.
	Do you see a connection here between this idea of worlds without number and this belief in extraterrestrials?
	Oh, sure.
	We're having no problem.
	Yeah, I'm sure people can relate.
	You know, there are people even in, of course, the UFO community that like to refer to ETs, that, you know, the so-called UFO community refers to ETs, intra- and extra-dimensional beings, beings from other dimensions, as well as off-planet beings, as well as inner-earth beings, etc., etc., And some unseen beings.
	There are some religious people who like to classify them all as angels or demons.
	So this is all, you know, within the understanding that different people, depending on their religion, And what they've been taught, like to classify things in certain ways.
	So that's all we're doing.
	We're sort of investigating that here.
	And I do want to say that tomorrow night, Jordan Maxwell is going to be my guest.
	And he certainly goes down these roads and would have something to say in terms of a lot of the things that you've been investigating in your book, Matthew, in terms of the monetary system and the history of the Illuminati and, in essence, the Freemasons, etc.
	So if anyone is here tonight and wants to continue this discussion, we will be doing that tomorrow night, as a matter of fact, with Jordan.
	So I do want to say that there is another question here that I wanted to grab, and then I think we're going to have to close this down because I try to keep things under two hours here.
	Okay.
	So, I don't know if I can...
	Oh, it was quite an unusual...
	Oh, why do the Mormons commit the Meadow Massacre?
	Why did the Mormons commit the Meadow Massacre?
	What do you think about that?
	That's the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
	Again, you know, you guys, all this stuff is...
	I go into a pretty good in-depth detail about the early history of the church in my book.
	The Mountain Meadows Massacre...
	Occurred because, you have to remember, the Latter-day Saints had been chased out of Nauvoo, Illinois.
	They'd settled in Salt Lake City, and they got word that, and it was true, Buchanan, President Buchanan, was sending 5,000 federal troops out to kill as many Mormons as they could and to hang Brigham Young.
	And so the Mormons weren't ready for a fight.
	Some of them were moving down to Mexico.
	And when this party showed up, I think it was the Fancher party, when they showed up, the whole Mormon community was on full military alert.
	And they came in and they talked about how they had raped women.
	There were a couple places where the Mormons were massacred, and they talked about taking part in those massacres back at a place called Hans Mill in Missouri.
	They had taken part in those massacres, or they said they did.
	And the Latter-day Saints didn't know if that was an advanced scout party for the Army, and they didn't want these people going and telling people what their strengths were in their southern flank.
	And so they killed them.
	They started marching them out.
	They dressed up as Native Americans, and with a group of Native Americans, they They killed them, and they took their kids and raised them themselves, but they were, number one, in the wrong place at the wrong time, and they were also saying the wrong things,
	and they came out as being openly hostile, and they were, you know, that was the wrong thing to do, and it is not something that the Mormon Church absolutely is against violence, but unfortunately, that is something But you know about Mountain Meadows, but do you know about Hans Mill?
	Do you know about Nauvoo?
	Do you know what happened to Carthage Jail?
	No, you probably don't.
	You just know about Mountain Meadows because it was the Mormons basically defending themselves.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Well, Matthew, it's been a lot of fun having you on the show.
	You've been a good sport, and I hope you've enjoyed it.
	I think that this will give people a good sort of introduction to your subject matter, at least in terms of this book.
	And we do have the book on the website that people can click over to Amazon if they're interested to learn more.
	And any sort of wrap-up words that you'd like to say?
	Yeah, Kerry, thank you for what you're doing.
	You have brought together all of these people.
	Nobody does what you've been doing, and I don't ever hear anybody praise you, but, you know, I hear you say this, well, thanks for all mankind for what you're doing, but you've really put a lot of stuff together, and people owe you a great debt, a great debt of gratitude, and so thanks for what you're doing.
	And, you know, I spend so many nights, when I can't sleep, I turn on Something that you've done, and I listen to your interviews.
	And so, yeah, thank you so much for what you're doing.
	And you've really shed a lot of light on things.
	And for people out there, I just want you to know that we're all trying to find answers to questions.
	And I use the analogy of the elephant and the blind men.
	And we're all, you know, trying to feel into this UFO extraterrestrial life thing.
	And I'm just bringing in, I'm like feeling the tails.
	And I'm telling you what I'm feeling.
	Excuse me.
	Somebody else might be feeling a leg or the trunk.
	But together, we're trying to put a picture together of where exactly we are in this universe.
	And Carrie, you do a lot to bring that together.
	So, awesome.
	Thank you.
	And thanks for having me on the show.
	This is great.
	All right.
	Well, thank you so much, Matthew.
	Thanks, everyone, for listening.
	And I'm going to let Matthew go here.
	I'm going to make a few quick announcements of what's coming up on the future.
	And so if you want to stay tuned for a couple minutes here.
	But meanwhile, Matthew, I want to say thank you very much and good night.
	Thanks again, Carrie.
	Good night, everybody.
	Thanks.
	Bye-bye.
	So that was just very, very interesting, and I hope you enjoyed it.
	I did want to let everyone know that, so far, I have not raised enough funds to attend the UFOCon.
	I did interview last week two people, John D'Souza and David Adair, as many people will know, and those are fascinating interviews.
	I highly recommend them.
	I am hoping to interview David Adair in person.
	And to extend our conversation after he has done his presentation at the UFOCon.
	As it happens, he is not coming down to the LA area, so I won't be able to do this in the near future.
	Now, if some money shows up, then we might be able to drive down there this weekend.
	It's not going to be that easy, but we might be able to swing that.
	Otherwise, we'll just have to do a Skype interview with him in the future, the very near future.
	That's David Adair I'm talking about.
	And he has a very interesting story about his interaction With some alien technology as a young man and a very selfless act that he was involved in, which some people may sort of miss the point of and I would like to clarify.
	So do watch my interview with him to get the sort of 411 on all of that.
	And I also want to say that I am about to do some very interesting in-person interviews in the next couple weeks.
	I'm going to go see Mark Richards.
	On April 2nd.
	And that's a great opportunity for me to get more information from Mark and to sort of run by him to get his view of a lot of things that have come forward over the last six to eight months since I last saw him.
	So anyone who wants to contribute to make that trip possible, it would be very valuable.
	We are also working on Doing an interview with Robert Kvyat and I hope I'm pronouncing his last name the right way.
	He's a very well-known producer and he has made a number of shows, actually television shows on UFOs and other subjects.
	The most recent being Aliens on the Moon and I believe that's available on Amazon Prime at the moment.
	And I think it used to be on Netflix, but I'm not sure it is.
	Someone said it's on British Netflix.
	But at any rate, we're going to do that interview in person a week from Friday.
	So we'll be driving down to Orange County, and luckily that's in our sort of radius of area.
	We are also putting together a television show and hoping to pitch that to some Hollywood companies and see if we can get some things off the ground to awaken reality.
	The rest of the masses, obviously you guys are watching me on YouTube, we have what are called low production values.
	We rely on our own lighting and the YouTube is what it is.
	The connection and the sound is very dependent on the individual and their computer setup.
	So in every case, whenever I do a live interview, that's what's happening and we do the best we can over here.
	So I do want to say that Jordan is going to have improved sound and picture.
	He promises me.
	So hopefully that will translate through to my computer and set up here tomorrow night at 7 p.m.
	I also want to say that the London attacks are a sort of false flag.
	According to Ole Domogard, who actually predicted them, I've had a short conversation with him today, and I have invited him to come on the show tomorrow.
	During the day, I'm going to do an impromptu show at 1, let's see, at 2 p.m., I'm going to have Michael Shrimpton, who is English, a barrister, as you may know, and I've interviewed him twice now,
	once in person and once on Skype, and we'll have him back tomorrow at 2 to talk about what's really going on behind the scenes with these latest attacks in England and specifically in London.
	And supposedly attacks on Parliament, although it seems they didn't get anywhere near it.
	So there's a lot of conflicting information out there about these attacks, and we are hoping that Ole might be able to join us for a few minutes on that broadcast.
	So again, that's tomorrow at 2 p.m.
	So just wanted to give you some quick updates here at the end of this show.
	Hope you enjoyed the Matthew Hines show.
	It will be available directly on YouTube.
	And thanks as always for watching and for any support you can give Project Camelot.
	It is greatly appreciated.
	So have a great night and take care and see you tomorrow.
	Take care.

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