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March 17, 2017 - Project Camelot
01:24:40
JOHN DESOUZA - X-MAN - FORMER FBI AGENT - UFOS & ETS
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Thank you.
Hi, everyone.
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and today I'm here with John D'Souza, and this is a real pleasure.
And it's kind of an off-the-cuff interview because I just found out about John and his work.
I haven't had time to actually read his book, but I can say that everything that I've seen about him looks very, very interesting, and I wanted to give him a chance to To talk to people, a preliminary interview before he is speaking at the UFOCon conference in San Francisco on the 24th through the 26th.
I'm not sure we'll find out which day he's actually on.
So anyway, thanks for watching, and we're going to go live with him right now.
Now, what I'm going to be doing here is actually...
I will be just reading a very short bio that he's got here.
So basically it says that he calls himself an X-Man.
He was an FBI special agent.
Hold on one second here.
I think I'm going to put this on the screen.
So we can get him on the screen for you while I do this.
All right.
So he is a FBI special agent for over 20 years and collected the real life X files.
John D'Souza unravels mysteries that elude investigators restricted to the purely material world.
The truth of the paranormal revealed itself to the author through his own supernatural experiences and those of innumerable others across many professional fields.
He has a website and it looks like it's called johntamabooks.com and maybe we can bring that here on the screen as well.
John, say hello to everyone.
Hello, everyone.
This is John D'Souza speaking.
Very happy to be with you here, Kerry.
It's absolutely wonderful to be on Project Camelot.
It's something I can cross off my list here.
And it's just great to be with you here.
It's very, very gratuitous, very happy occasion for me.
For your audience, of course, like you said, my name is John D'Souza.
I was an FBI special agent for over 20 years.
I worked many high-profile cases during that time.
The Unabomber, one of the most famous successful terrorists in American history, the 93 World Trade Center bombing when four bombers almost took down the World Trade Center towers, and of course 9-11 when they were successful in taking them down.
So that's part of my history, and during that time, my time in the FBI, I also collected a lot of Stories and events that occurred that had paranormal connection to them, and I make those available for people after I retired in my book, The Power Investigators, where I share a lot of those tales with people right now.
Okay, so what I wanted to do was to ask you Your approach, you have a different approach than you say most people have, and I imagine maybe investigators in particular, and you do seem to go into what I call the unseen world.
Can you explain what prompted you to go in that direction?
Sure.
Well, there's a couple of different things.
Well, for one thing, During the 90s, people may recall, I know they recall the very famous show, The X-Files, that was on, which was one of my...
I love that show very much.
And it turned out that that show had some consultation from some sort of FBI personnel.
And the creator, Chris Carter, he talks about that today.
There were he was actually called up by some higher-ups in the FBI and they were questioning him where he was getting some of his information and I myself was questioned about whether I had any contact with Chris Carter and I was able to say no absolutely not but it's it's fine for and ultimately what came out of that was that I got my nickname the X-Man and it was not a compliment and I was told I was demoted from G-Man to X-Man because
of the X-Files and my love for that show.
So that was one of the things that got me interested in the paranormal.
The other one was a very well-known incident that occurred in 2001, which was, it's in my book, The Power Investigators.
And it is the Indigo Kids of 9-11, which is a term that we used to refer to an incident where kids from all over the country, as young as 4 years old all the way up to 11, 12 years old, were having dreams and visions and impressions of the 9-11 terrorist attacks.
In the weeks before it happened.
And a lot of these kids, once 9-11 happened, they were reported under this, you know, there was this whole big campaign of see something, say something, anything at all.
And so some of these kids were reported by their caretakers, bus drivers, babysitters, teachers, things like that.
And for instance, and I can tell you, for instance, we had a We had a very young boy who did finger paints, for instance.
He was doing a painting, and the teacher would come by and see what he was working on and say, wow, those are lovely buildings.
They're these two tall buildings that you've made.
They're glowing, and they're very beautiful, and they appear to be these angels with red wings flying away from the buildings.
Where are they flying to?
And the little boy would say, those buildings aren't glowing.
They're on fire.
And those aren't angels with wings.
Those are people who are on fire jumping out of the buildings.
Wow.
So that's just one.
We had another little girl who was sitting in the playground by herself, not playing.
Teacher comes over, see if she's okay.
She says, yeah, I'm fine.
I'm just thinking.
Teacher goes to walk away, and the little girl pulls on her skirt violently.
And says, tomorrow, stay away from tall buildings, because tall buildings can fall down, and sometimes they fall on people.
And that's why I had another little boy.
He was on a school bus, fell asleep.
I woke up screaming about a building being on fire and people jumping out of the building.
And that was ultimately, that was reported by a school bus driver.
So there were many, many incidences like that around the country that all, for us, all fell under the heading of the Indigo Kids of 9-11.
And all those kids had to be interviewed.
There was no discretion on that.
Those kids had to be interviewed, no matter how young they were, no matter how, even if the law enforcement officers felt ridiculous, they had to be talked to, they had to be reminded of the incident, and they had to be washed out, basically, as to whether these kids may have heard something from their families and there might have been some connection to terrorism.
So that was the first really great experience of the paranormal I had in law enforcement that I record and I let people know about in my book, The Pyro-Investigators.
Wow, that's amazing.
You know, I had not heard about those children, although it certainly makes sense.
I guess maybe you heard about the, I think it's the MIT study in which they saw that humans were precogs and basically had anticipated the 9-11 situation as well, right?
Oh, now who were these people, the precogs?
Well, just the general populace, that it was cropping up everywhere as part of the...
I believe it's an MIT study that's quite famous at this point, although I could have the institution wrong, but it was quite well known at the time that they had come up with this, that they had several days in advance, even maybe as much as a week, And then, of course, I don't know if you know about Cliff High, his web bot that goes around the internet.
It is basically collecting data in advance and then making predictions based on what humans are talking about, their conversations, whatever they have and whatever they're looking at on the web, and that we are naturally basically precogs.
So that's kind of a fascinating aspect to all of this.
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Hold on one second.
Okay.
Okay, sorry.
Okay, so did you have to change?
Yes, I'm very familiar with Cliff High's work.
His work is tremendous.
It is amazing, especially if you look at that he was one of the pioneers in developing that web crawling web bot technology which of course now is used by all of the intelligence agencies against us and one of the things I wanted to tell people is that that technology is now available to each and every one of us for us to and some and we have to put it together
and use it for instance I use that technology where I create my own crawler, my own web bot crawler, to find out news about, let's say, Antarctica.
Because you're not going to find out anything useful or real from mainstream news.
You're just not.
So people need to create their own web bot because this technology that Cliff High originally pioneered, Basically, it's available to everybody at a much lower level.
Of course, a more primitive level, but people need to use that for themselves because we need to be advocates for our own information and news and what's going on out there.
And we can be, but it just takes a little bit of work, and you need to put together your own crawlers that can bring you back useful information that you can share with people every day.
Well, that's very interesting to hear.
So maybe you can tell us what you have found out about Antarctica, for example, because there are a lot of people we are very curious.
Obviously, Buzz Aldrin was down there.
He said that he saw something incredibly evil, and There's rumors that the Pope went down, John Kerry went down during the election, as everyone knows, and so on.
So there's some ongoing activity that I get some information about, bits and pieces, but my information is there's an off-planet base down there, that there are some individuals who believe they're controlling things here on the planet, and that these people are actually going down to report to these people, This element, there may also be some war going on down there.
I know William Tompkins talked about Admiral Byrd who had actually gone to battle down there and not a lot of that was released to the To the people, but according to William Tompkins, they actually lost the battle and had to retreat.
So I wonder if you have done a web crawl, as you call it, have you gotten any interesting information?
Yes, and some people claim to have secret sources and people on the inside, but I don't have any of that.
What I do have is the ability to crawl and collect information from public message boards, websites that are exposed publicly, because there are a lot of people on the ground Especially now that Lockheed Martin is hiring workers in large numbers to work on the ground, both high-tech and low-tech workers.
As a matter of fact, if anybody needs a job, they're advertising to hire people for Antarctica right now and through the winter season that's starting right now as well.
So all that information, the way that we Our society is right now.
Events can no longer really be kept secret.
They just can't.
You can't take everybody's phones away and everyone has family and everyone, no matter what kind of non-disclosure agreements they sign, people are always allowed to talk about their lives and talk about what's happening to them.
That's why A lot of this stuff, you can't keep it secret.
You can't keep it secret very long because you can't take everyone's phones away all the time.
You can take them away when they're in secure locations, yeah, but not all the time and people, friends they speak to.
So here's what I do know.
All the major powers, well, let's say the five major powers have representatives in Antarctica right now who are on the ground And keeping an eye on each other at this time.
All of these officials that have been visiting on the QT, there's a lot more visits than what we know of, because some of these visits have been done through New Zealand, where Prime Ministers and Presidents have visited New Zealand and not said anything about going out through Christ Church, through the face that goes into Antarctica and spending time there through there.
So a lot of the visits, some of the visits are still being kept quiet.
However, on the ground, they have been asking for Prime Ministers and Presidents not to visit because it just makes it so much harder To keep everything under wraps there as to what's really going on under the ice.
And I don't know at this time what exactly it is, but everything I get back, every message I see just keeps saying, in general terms, they found Atlantis.
They found Atlantis.
Okay, that's interesting.
That's fascinating because I had a premonition that there was something to do with Atlantis down there come to me.
And I also got the impression that perhaps, I don't know, it sounds a little strange, but that when they said it sank, it sank, but it's possible that it actually shifted downward.
To the bottom of the globe and that Antarctica is actually more Atlantis than what we think is under the water.
So that's really fascinating.
So you got that there is something to do with Atlantis there and this is from your from your web crawling or is it from individuals?
From individuals having conversations where they're just saying what's going on with them personally and Basically, it just looks...
I'm not sure what Atlantis entails, but I believe that there is alien technology involved with this whole thing, and they are coming up.
And if you want to see what sorts of cover stories are being beta tested right now, and this may ultimately become the overall cover story, People can just Google Nazi bases under Antarctica.
And there are many stories floating out around there that there are Nazi bases found under Antarctica.
and that they've been explored and that could ultimately that story could be dusted off and used eventually as the overall cover story for this entire for this entire debacle it'd be very easy for them to just find nazi memorabilia all over the world and bring it in and shuffle it in there and then show that for the mainstream media but what i was going to say before is that in this venue they are they are asking For the prime ministers and presidents not
to visit.
That whole system, and that's why they've only been sending underlings up until now, that whole system has been thrown a monkey wrench by Putin announcing that he himself is going to Antarctica soon.
And he announced it months ahead of time.
It's not like they need a lot of time to prepare for him.
There's not a real country there.
But he announced it way ahead of time.
So that's going to blow the lid off of things to a certain extent.
Because then that means that President Trump is probably going to do the exact same thing.
Except because he's the other wild card in this.
But he's probably going to have to one up Putin somehow.
I don't know how, but he'll think of something.
And so that's going to create even more pressure for them to reveal something other than the weak cover stories that they've been using up to now.
Like when John Kerry went to visit and the cover story was...
John Kerry, the Secretary of State at the time of the United States, went to visit and the best he could come up with was to check on global warming.
Yeah, actually, as we're speaking and as you're talking to me, I found what is in essence, I think it's a UK paper.
It's an express.
It says a daily express.
Anyway, they're saying, you know, John Kerry visited Antarctica to examine secret information.
Nazi UFO base.
Wow.
So that is an article that came out January 1st of 2017, according to this...
It kind of looks like a UK paper, but I'm not sure where it's coming from.
I don't have time to, you know, at the moment.
Look, all I'm saying is that, you know...
Yeah, I didn't know about that article.
But I believe there's a very strong chance that the Nazi-based story may be used as the overall cover very soon.
Because it connects to history, it's very plausible, and it helps very nicely to cover up the alien technology and anything else that they don't want to be let out.
It's very easy to fake, too.
It has strong imagery to it.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
But I do have to say that years ago, Project Camelot was given a document written by a man who said that he escaped from this base in Antarctica called New Berlin.
And the document is very long, very involved.
He actually rants and sounds kind of crazy in the document, but we published it.
Initially, the people who received it were afraid to publish it.
They were really scared.
We kind of throw caution to the wind in that regard, so we published it anyway.
As far as we know, there was no repercussions from it.
I did talk to the person who wrote it a few years after that, He's stuck by his story, but he was having issues with memory at the time.
So there seems to be some legs to the story that actually...
You know, do make sense in terms of it actually being, you know, a Nazi base.
There can easily be an alien quotient to that because, as William Tompkins talked about, the Nazis were given the technology from the race from Aldebaran, etc., Now, along those lines, I would like to know, you sort of started out with these children from 9-11.
I'm assuming that kind of jump-started you on your, maybe writing the book or the books that you're doing.
But can you talk a little bit more about your own work and the progress you made along these lines?
And it says that you had some of your own paranormal experiences.
We'd love to hear that.
Yes, absolutely.
My paranormal experiences, which led to my writing my book, The Extra Dimensionals, True Tales and Concepts of Alien Visitors, We're basically from my childhood.
I had a couple of experiences.
When I was nine years old, I was at one point out with my parents at a party.
It was a reception for a wedding in the middle of New York City late at night.
It was about one in the morning and there were a couple of hundred people in a rental hall that was in a It's a great neighborhood out there and all the little kids, myself included, we got together.
We ran out for a game of tag, a very spirited game of tag out in the middle of the night.
Those streets were deserted and we ran out there and at one point things got very over-enthusiastic.
One kid hit me in the stomach.
I went down on the sidewalk.
I was on my back.
And one of the kids yelled out, he's probably, he's hurt.
He's seriously hurt.
So they did what little kids do.
They ran away.
They all ran away, ran back to the rental and left me there.
And so I was looking up between two tall buildings, two of the tallest buildings I'd ever seen up to that point in my life.
And it was a very starry night, except for the space between the two buildings up in the sky, it was completely blocked out.
It was all black.
And I realized I looked closer and closer.
It was a cloud of sort of like black ink that was blotting out the stars.
And I said, it seemed to come down and it appeared it was like a black ink cloud, like a squid would give off in the water when you're trying to catch them.
And eventually some light started coming out the bottom of this black ink cloud.
And I saw the lights emerge, and it was what you would call a flying saucer, a UFO. And it had lights spinning in the bottom, and it came down, appeared very large.
I mean, it had to be like 100 feet in diameter.
And it was like a disc that appeared like metal, but a lot of lighting to it, and came down towards me.
And by this time, I was on my feet and looking up at it.
And two teenage girls appeared on my right, on my left.
And they were screaming at the top of their lungs.
The world was ending.
They were telling me, little boy, run home.
And then they disappeared.
And I felt like a spotlight hit me from the saucer I was looking at.
And then myself and the flying saucer, we both changed our mind at the same moment.
I took a step back and the thing reversed course and started going back up into the black ink cloud.
And like a cartoon character jumps in the hole and pulls the hole in after it, the thing went back up into the cloud and then the cloud disappeared.
and that was it i ran back to my parents tell them what happened they were not too tolerant about my story and then shortly after that and i've seen this in the cases i've studied since then shortly after that i had an experience of alien visitors at my home when i was again not Not very long after that initial experience and
it's like we see certain people are stalked and it seems like information is collected on them by these UFOs and then it seems to me like that information is brought back to alien visitors that then target that person for visitation or for contact because my experience was somewhere between contact and it wasn't abduction but what happened was I was in the apartment where I lived with my
parents and several other adults.
Again, I was nine years old.
I was sleeping in my bed in my cot there, and my room was right next to my parents' bedroom.
During the night, I just felt it was probably, it had to be like 3 in the morning.
I was trying to stay up as late as I could, and I felt a cold vapor go through the room, and suddenly I felt myself, hands on my feet and my head, lifting me up.
I was stiff as a board.
I was like a plank, and they were lifting me up like I was mostly filled with helium.
It's just very easy for them to lift me.
I couldn't see who it was because I was completely stiff.
I couldn't move at all.
And I was lifted up through the air by individuals that appeared to be moving through the air also.
And they were carrying me like a plank.
And they attempted to put me through a ceiling.
Where they themselves were very easily passing through the ceiling, it felt like.
But they weren't able to pull me through the ceiling for some reason.
I was bumping my forehead against the ceiling.
I wouldn't go through.
And they appeared to be like engineers that were very confused.
They kept on lowering me and examining the spot in the ceiling that wasn't allowing me through.
And again, I was just floating like stiff.
In the air, just supported by nothing.
As they bumped me repeatedly and my forehead wouldn't go through the ceiling, as they appeared to expect would happen, I was becoming more able to move my neck more and more.
And one of the things that struck me was to look down to see if maybe I was dead and my body was back in my bed.
So I twisted my neck enough to look down at my bed And there was nothing there but the sheet, so I was happy about that.
And then, they brought me back up to try again to the ceiling, and I was able to look at, because there was an open door leading to my parents' bedroom, I was able to look into my parents' bedroom, and I could see them, and there were hands over them, holding them like in a type of stasis, so that they wouldn't wake up, I'm assuming.
And I could see my dad in this pool of sweat struggling it seemed like to wake up but he was still asleep and there were hands little little tiny pale hands holding them like holding over the bed for them to stay asleep and then I was able to twist my neck just enough to look at one of the beings that had their hands over the bed that were holding my parents in
some kind of stasis and it was one of these small spindly creatures with a large head spindly body and those big black wraparound almond eyes and it looked directly at me and I looked at it And our gaze caught each other.
And in that moment, I heard the only words I ever heard from them, not audible, but in my mind, I heard, he's awake.
And as soon as I heard those words, sort of heard those words, I was, I dropped like a rock, was back in the bed, springs were springing like crazy, and the apartment was empty.
They were gone.
They weren't there anymore.
So, let me ask you if you thought, you know, I guess since then you might have had other encounters and so on.
Did you feel, even at the time, that that being was some kind of biological robot, or did you think that it was a real entity?
It was a real entity to me.
I mean, I saw it.
It felt like it was alive.
It felt like, and, you know, I was not thinking in terms of Biological or robotic entity or anything like that.
I was just, these things are real, they're here, and I know what I'm seeing.
So, yeah, I just took them to be creatures.
Now, after it was over, I was in my bed, I was swearing I would never go back to sleep ever again, and then I conked out and went right to sleep.
And in the morning, the adults were shuffling around, and apparently they had all shared a common dream, Of being abducted by these creatures and taken to a certain place.
And so they were concocting an explanation of what happened.
They were very religious people.
And so they decided that their official story was it was a demonic attack on the home.
And that there was some sort of guilty trinket somewhere in the home.
And they started tearing the place apart.
If you know anything about fundamentalist religious people, they often believe that a demonic attack is due to some sort of magical or sorcerous charm being in the home.
And I believe that my dad went out and probably bought one.
And threw it under the linoleum somewhere so that his house would stop being torn apart.
And eventually they found this little charm that was an Irish runes type of charm.
And they pronounced the case solved.
And so that was my experience.
And I never had any other contact or any sort of experience ever since that moment when I was nine years old.
That was it and one of the things I found out since then studying these cases is that alien visitors they they stalk and they find someone and they decide based on that first visit if that person is their flavor or not and there's a lot of theories as to whether and if they if they find that the person is the their flavor for lack of a better term then they not only repeat They could repeatedly visit that person over their entire
lives and then even go to the next generation and next generations after that.
And some people say it has to do with blood type.
Others say it's something to do with DNA, the DNA print of each person.
Whatever it is, they always decide on that first visit whether that person is desirable for them or not.
That's one of the things I've found since then.
And I've had no contact since that time.
Okay, but as an investigator, have you talked to people who have been in contact?
In other words, where is the rest of your information coming from, and how did you gather it?
From individuals that themselves had continuing contact, sometimes voluntary, sometimes not voluntary.
And also, I studied a lot of the classic cases from a different viewpoint.
Classic cases like the Betty and Barney Hill that set the pattern for alien abductions since that time in 1961 when they were abducted.
Basically, all the classic steps that we have seen in abduction cases since then have pretty much held up.
Also, for instance, the Travis Walton case, which was the opposite.
It was a completely unique case that has never been repeated again since that time.
For that reason, it's very important to study the Travis Walton case as well.
I was able to look at that and come up with some pretty different conclusions from what had been found before.
The majority of People who look at these cases tend to be former scientists, former journalists.
They're very good fact-finders.
They're very good analysts of these sorts of things.
But when you have somebody who's actually an investigator, like a law enforcement investigator, they see things in a very different way.
And the conclusions that they can come to are startlingly Like, for instance, some of my conclusions in the Travis Walton case, which I'm sure all of your audience is pretty much familiar with, have been very, very different from those that have come before.
But interestingly, Travis Walton himself has come to some of the same conclusions.
First one is that the Travis Walton abduction, the reason it's so unique and so different from anything else that's ever happened, has never been repeated, is because it was not an alien abduction at all.
It was a rescue operation.
When Travis Walton went underneath this UFO that was up there in the air, just above the clearing, above the tree line, they actually...
There was a bolt of lightning, sort of like a bolt of lightning that came from this saucer.
And it actually probably killed him.
And he was probably dead on the ground.
And for the alien visitors in the actual vehicle...
That was probably outside of their parameters of their mission.
And they came and they basically brought him onto the ship for no other reason than to revive him.
That's why they were so unprepared when Travis was resisting to them and he was fighting with them.
They were completely unprepared to communicate with him, to calm him down.
Or to even handle the violent reaction that he had towards them.
What about the fact that he saw, I guess in essence, what appeared to be a room full of pods in which other humans were being kept?
Oh, I... Read his account and I don't recall that except in the movie.
I recall the movie Fire in the Sky portraying something like that.
But I don't recall Travis himself saying that he actually observed that.
Okay, that's very interesting.
Yeah, I didn't know there was a discrepancy there.
Yeah, I believe that Travis said there were several discrepancies in the movie from what he actually observed.
But what I thought was the most important thing that he observed was that he was brought into a place that was much larger than what he observed from the ground.
In other words, there's an interdimensional element To these UFOs, I call them plasmas, to these plasmas where what you see from the outside a lot of times doesn't match up to when these contactees are brought on board and they're supposedly inside and what they encounter inside is very different space-wise as far as what they come into.
When Travis was inside, supposedly inside this vehicle, He came into chambers and places that were enormously large as he went from one place to another to another.
And so that's another extradimensional element to these UFOs that I talk about in my book, The Extradimensionals as well.
Absolutely.
So in terms of going extra-dimensional, are you familiar with quantum physics and things like actually the work of Geordi Rose, D-Wave, his company D-Wave, and some of that which is actually proving that there are other dimensions, etc., also related to AI? Absolutely.
And it seems like a lot of these cutting-edge scientists and scientists There's not many of them, but a lot of these are really catching up to this extra-dimensional hypothesis.
And one of the things I always try to point out to people is that even in 1947, if you go on this extra-dimensional hypothesis, a lot of the ideas you just mentioned We're also mentioned in 1947 in a document that I call the smoking gun document.
You're probably familiar with it, Kerry.
It's at the database that is vault.fbi.gov, and that is the archive of documents that was released by the FBI directly onto the net that anyone can access and download for free.
They're all available there.
There's a document that under, if you can just click on unexplained phenomena, and then you can click on UFOs, and there's all kinds of unexplained phenomena in this archive on cattle mutilations, on UFOs, on all kinds of things that are JFK assassination.
They're all there, and people can download them anytime that they want.
As a matter of fact, it's a massive number of documents.
But if they click on unexplained phenomenons, click on UFOs, they go to the first group of documents under UFOs, it starts in 1947, then they go to page 22.
On there is something called a Memorandum of Importance.
And that is a document that was written by an FBI supervisor in 1947, I believe.
And in July, July 8th, 1947.
And in it, he says that he has a source of information who is himself...
Well, he says the source is...
You can never give the name of your source, but he told us what kind of source it is.
He said it was supernormal, which is an old-timey word for a supernatural source.
And so he says this source told him the following, and he needs to tell the scientific community right away.
And he lists there about eight or nine conclusions that he was told by the source.
And the first one was that there's nobody inside these UFOs.
They're empty.
And they are operated somehow remotely.
Next one was that they're not made of metal.
They're made of some kind of plasma-like material.
The next one was, and the most important one, was that alien visitors are not physical.
They are extra-dimensional.
They are from other dimensions.
And he refers to it as talas, which is an old Vedic term.
They are from different dimensions of reality.
And that for them, Earth is basically a gateway, more than a planet.
And that they just come here by changing their vibratory rate to our vibratory rate so that they can be physical here with us for short periods of time.
And then their vibratory rate changes back and they go back to their dimension of reality, wherever that is.
And so there's several others.
There's several other conclusions in there as well, but they're very amazing.
And this document has no strikeouts.
It's all basically there.
And how it got through This process, I'll never know.
But it's an amazing document and it talks about exactly what you were saying, Kerry, about the advanced thinking in quantum physics that is available to us today from some of these cutting-edge scientists.
But it was told in 1947, which is the amazing thing.
Okay, fair enough.
You know, there's ample evidence that actually, in a certain sense, we are, you know, multidimensional and ultradimensional, so that we're no more here than anything else is actually here, here, the way we think of it.
And I don't know if you sort of wrapped that into your concept of what you're investigating.
Do you appreciate that, in other words, that this is called the third dimension, but in reality, there's many dimensions simultaneously, and that we're actually moving into the fourth as we speak here, that the earth herself and the humans, etc., is becoming less dense, as they call it.
Yeah, and it can't be soon enough for me.
Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about.
We're spiritual creatures that are fooled into thinking that the physicality is everything and that the physicality is real, more real than what it really is.
And it's just a temporary state of being, but our non-physical state, It's the real important state because that's the eternal state.
I love what the great David Icke said that a man pretending that the material is all there is is like a man trying to stand on a postage stamp.
It can work for a little while but in the long run you're not going to be able to keep your balance very long.
So that's just the way that it is and there's no avoiding that because we find the real world Every night when we go to sleep and every time that we have a meditation, a vision, a higher understanding of what reality is outside of these dimensions.
So yeah, I completely see that and I feel that every day.
So, what I wanted to do also is, you know, we wanted to be careful not to cover the same things you're going to be covering when you do your presentation at the UFOCon next, I think it's next weekend, a week away from this weekend.
So, and again, it's in San Francisco, and my guest last night is also going to be speaking there.
David Adair.
David Adair, yeah.
Yes.
So you're aware of him as well, and he did a great job last night on my show.
What I want to do is ask you what you're going to be talking about.
I don't want you to talk about what you're going to be talking about, but I'd like you to give people sort of a cliffhanger, if you will, or an introduction to encourage them to buy tickets and to show up to see you in person.
Yes, that's easy to do.
I am...
My title of my presentation is Suggesting the Unthinkable in Ufology.
Suggesting the Unthinkable in Ufology.
And it's basically because in accordance with all the cases, you know, and the strongest indicator of affinity for a topic is experiential.
It's when you have a personal experience of that topic, which I do.
But since then, All the cases and all the individuals that I've spoken to have led me to some incredibly startling conclusions.
And they're conclusions that I have not seen before in ufology.
And so I want to talk about those.
I want to present those because they're going to be very controversial.
They're going to be very counterintuitive for us.
The people in ufology, which I maintain has not really changed that much in the last 50 years.
We haven't had too much progress in terms of our thinking and where we are with ufology.
And I want to also, I wanted to talk to people about what is going on with the agenda of the global controllers and what they have really accomplished in the last few years That nobody sees and that affects all of us.
And one of those things is that we have crossed the Rubicon.
This can only be shown through example, many, many examples and results of investigations.
But we have crossed a point where we have gone from the society based on secrecy to the society based on something I call data flooding, where the global controllers have decided they With the internet and in the information age, they can no longer depend upon keeping secrets because you can't keep any event secret anymore.
It's just not possible.
There's too many plugs into the matrix and there's just no way to keep events secret anymore.
So what they're doing now is something called data flooding.
And there's many aspects to data flooding where they will, whenever one tiny aspect of it is that whenever a genuine paranormal supernatural event is recorded and made known to the public, because we're in the information age, everybody has access to YouTube and other things to show something that happened.
Well, whenever that happens, there are global shops that will immediately create copies of that event Upload those copies which are meant to duplicate but appear fake and Then they will usually take down the original paranormal event get rid of it and they will substitute various of their own Hollywood production level copies of
this event so that people who try to go see the event now it could be millions of people who rush to go see this and I explained this very uh very carefully in my book the power investigators how this process works and they will then see the fakes that were created by the global shops that are in this business and they will say oh okay this whole event was a fake uh it's been debunked and i will talk about events like this and one
such example is the is the ufo over the dome of the rock That occurred in Israel, in Jerusalem.
It was, I believe, in 2010.
I believe it was in 2010 it occurred.
Right.
I remember that.
Yes.
Everybody remembers that.
And if I had a dollar for every time I am at a conference, somebody will say to me very knowingly, oh, yeah, I remember that.
That was debunked.
I remember.
And then I tell them the real story of what happened.
And they don't know what to do, but at least I give them something to think about so that they can, next time something like this happens, they can view it with a different sort of eye and a sort of different analysis so that they won't fall for the cover stories and for the data flooding that I'm talking about.
Okay, so that's fascinating.
Let me ask you whether...
Why it is you left the FBI and how that transpired and whether or not you still keep in touch because a lot of people say, you know, kind of once an agent, always an agent and that sort of thing.
Are you, you know, freelancing?
What is your status in that regard?
In that regard, I retired from the FBI in 2013 and I don't, I try not to have any I don't want to take contact with people who remain in the organization at all because then they can be compromised because of the work I'm doing, writing books on the paranormal.
So yeah, I don't maintain any contacts with people in the organization.
But yeah, it's true what they say to an extent.
Once an agent, always an agent.
Yeah, because I have a genuine affection for the people on the ground.
I always say the people on the ground, the field, the people in the field, men and women who are FBI agents who are filled with integrity, professionalism, who are some of the most Expert and professional people I've ever known, they tend to be great people.
Now, people in the political structure of the organization, that's a different matter.
I don't address them.
I don't talk about that.
But yeah, I have a great affinity for the people in the field because I know from my own experience that they are people, they are great patriots for the most part.
They are great patriots who are experts in their field, who are very dedicated to the well-being of the nation and so forth.
So yeah, in that sense, in that sense, yes, I'll always have an affinity for the people who I worked with and who I know are part of a very good organization that tries to do a lot of good on the ground, in the field, The field agents.
Okay, but in terms of your own, when you left, did you retire?
Why did you retire?
Was there an incident that caused you to change your life path?
Yes, I retired after...
Well over 20 years.
It was time for me to leave the organization after fulfilling quite a period of time of service.
And so, yes, I left under good terms.
I have many decorations and awards on my wall behind me here.
And yes, I left on very good terms.
I was very happy with my time in the FBI. But I had already started Writing books and I was ready for the next phase of my life.
Okay.
Are you familiar with Walter Bosley?
No, who is not?
Well, he's somebody I've interviewed and I believe he is a former FBI agent.
He also was an AFOSI agent.
So he did more than one sort of stint, I guess, or discipline or whatever.
I just wondered if perhaps you'd come across him.
He's also writing books.
He's a very, very interesting guy.
So you can go onto my YouTube channel and just put in his name, Walter Bosley, and I did a relatively recent interview with him that you may find quite interesting.
He's written a book about his father's experience in an underground base near Luke's Air Force Base in Arizona in which he encountered some...
Some beings, and one of whom was killed in the process, sort of a strange occurrence that seemed to have affected his father's life, his entire life.
So he's tried to investigate that, but he is, like I say, he's like you.
He's a former investigator who has gone down this road to write books, and so I just thought you might have come across him.
No, that sounds very interesting, though.
Was he a special agent?
Because sometimes people say investigator, but special agent is the FBI agent title.
Oh, I see.
You know what?
I wouldn't know offhand.
I'd have to go back and see how he referred to himself.
I'm not, you know, that well-versed in how FBI, you know, different echelons or whatever.
But yeah, anyway, I just thought that that might be interesting for you.
So you sound, you know, like a really fascinating guy and And I'd love to hear more of the things that you've investigated over time.
Are there things that perhaps, because I don't want to interfere with them.
Obviously, you have an upcoming speaking event.
We want to make sure to sort of reserve that for the event itself.
But...
Is there anything that you can share with us that you've investigated recently that is not going to be talked about at the conference that you might be wanting to go into for our listeners today?
The most important investigation, I'll have to call it investigation, the most important investigation for truth seekers today, at this moment that I'm sitting here, is what is happening It is something that is going to affect all of our lives and is affecting our lives right now.
And there's going to be waves and waves of misinformation, of disinformation.
There's going to be layers and layers of deception coming out on this stuff.
And that's why I always ask people to Look at my book, The Power Investigation.
You don't even have to buy it.
You can just go look on Amazon at the first 50 pages because it's a primer on investigation and what real investigation is and what real evidence is so that people can distinguish for themselves these incredible layers of deception that are going to be coming out very soon.
We've already seen some of it.
With these minions of the political class that have been visiting and coming up with these horrible cover stories.
But when you learn what real investigation is and how to distinguish these layers of deception, then you can find out for yourselves and you'll be ready You'll be ready for when the when the really good cover stories come out instead of the horrible weak ones that we have had.
We had a you know that King Carlos and the Queen of Spain who are you know they're not at the official leaders of Spain but they are one of the royal families.
They made a trip to Antarctica on the with navy ships and the king was so unprepared To answer the media, why is he visiting Antarctica, that the best he could say was, he said, well, it's a very beautiful place, and I've always wanted to see the scenery of Antarctica.
So no one told them there is no scenery in Antarctica.
There's just some buildings smashed into the ice for scientists to go sit in.
So these are the weak cover stories that are coming out right now.
But very soon, the really well done cover stories are going to be coming out.
And so people need to learn for themselves to be able to investigate Things with an eye, not just towards the material, but what is outside in the spiritual realm as well with all of these events so that they can better distinguish the layers of deception that are going to be coming out.
That's what I want people to know right now.
Okay, so I have a chat room that's live alongside the show, and I think we've been going for a while, so it won't keep you too much longer, but I want to invite anyone who wants to type a question into the chat in all caps, and I will ask you those questions if you're willing.
We can go through your questions.
Oh, yes.
That would be great.
Alright, great.
So, stand by and we'll ask for that.
In the meanwhile, maybe you can tell us what you're currently investigating.
Obviously, it sounds like Antarctica is high on your list, but is there any other areas, for example, that you've looked into recently or you plan to look into?
Well, for me, the only other thing that's very, very important that is going on that, again, is going to affect all of us is this extraordinary push towards space travel for our entire society, towards space travel, which to me is the same as space weaponization.
They're all part of the same thing because so much...
Propaganda going on and so much push and publicity going towards expanding space travel, especially now that it's being privatized.
And that's going to affect all of our kids and our grandkids in the future, because this is something that's coming from the global level, from the global controllers level, and it's being spread throughout the culture.
And if anybody wants to see what I'm talking about, just go see this movie, Passengers, with Christopher Pratt and I think Jennifer Lawrence.
It's basically a two-hour commercial for sending your kids into outer space as explorers.
I don't see any other reason for the movie.
But that movie is just a tiny fraction of what's coming out on space exploration.
And one of the things that I conclude in my book, The Extra Dimensionals, is that there's actually nobody out there.
The alien visitors are coming from Earth through gateways.
And they're not out there in space.
They're not like humans cramming themselves into little metal shells and then shooting themselves across galaxies in order to find us.
There's nothing out there.
And that the space exploration agenda is part of this space weaponization agenda.
And that's something that we were warned about by the head of NASA Werner Von Braun, when he talked about these fake wars that the global controllers want and that they need to keep everyone occupied, and one of the last, and he said,
the last great fake war that is going to be pushed upon the population is going to be the war against alien visitors, which will be put into effect by weaponizing the entire atmosphere around the Earth,
putting weapons all around the Earth, Supposedly to defend against alien invasion and similar things, but that eventually those weapons will be turned back in against the Earth's population.
And a measure of destruction and control will be exercised that third world dictators can only dream of.
So that, to me, is one of the huge agenda items that people need to be alerted to because it's going on in front of our eyes.
But you have to have that eye to distinguish it when you see it.
Okay.
Well, actually, I wonder if you have sort of entertained the possibility that our space program, for example, is actually...
Utilizing the notion of going interdimensional, of, you know, jumping, going interstellar, and so on.
And that, you know, that in addition to the fact that doesn't really matter, you know, it sounds like you're kind of emphasizing how they get here versus the fact that who they are and where they come from.
In other words, that in order to go where they go, we're going to have to do the same things they do.
You understand?
Yeah.
So we're going to use their techniques.
And whereas I appreciate the warning from Von Braun all those years ago, I actually think that there's more going on than meets the eye with the so-called invasion scenarios.
And I do appreciate what you're saying in terms of the weapons being aimed on us.
That's...
That's very possible, in fact.
But there is this aspect that we are being visited that there's no doubt whatsoever.
How they get here is another matter.
But that as a consequence, we are going to possibly visit them, need to defend against.
There's both negative and positive in my view.
So, in other words, these weapons are not completely useless.
So maybe it's a different way of thinking about what they're doing.
Now, they're not publicizing this.
I appreciate that.
And it's very valuable that you bring your perspective to the fore.
For us.
Because, you know, there's not enough emphasis on the sort of quantum aspect of space travel, of going interdimensional in order to get from point A to point B. Last night with David Adair, we even talked a little bit about the shifting of the timelines.
And also the notion that in order to travel, one must bend space, time, and so on.
These are just preliminary ways of understanding how to travel.
And going from point A to point B in a rocket ship is...
Is incredibly antiquated, that notion.
Yes.
So I appreciate that, but isn't really what we're talking about more about what is the technology they're using versus whether they're, you know, going to go from point A to point B? Yeah, the technology is key because what the technology that we see demonstrated,
even in alien visit or even in alien abductions, is it's Staggering it's amazing and we have a we have alien abductions where all people are being someone is being targeted and stalked by a UFO and then they are and then all Electronics all timepieces even old-fashioned physical timepieces with
really no electronics it would stop everything stops and it's been suggested that that because most people scientific thinkers said oh that's electromagnetic disruption that's what that is but it has been suggested recently that maybe it's not electronic uh magnetic electronic disruption maybe time itself is being stopped by the or paused by the alien visitors and from what i've seen in many of these many of these cases that's
what it looks like to me also so you're talking about Interdimensional realities where they very possibly have the ability to manipulate time very easily and even though even during the cow mutilations and out in states like Montana and Idaho where ranchers were desperate to stop these cow mutilations they would set up these security systems and these cases are also at fbi.vault
vault.fbi.gov cattle mutilation cases and even though ranchers would set up these extraordinary security systems and as well as manned personnel surveilling
somehow there would be a flash of light and the mutilations would be done and people who had been directly observing would have like missing time not really missing time but there would be something happened within space of a second that had to take hours to accomplish
So, yeah, I think we're looking at alien visitors who have a facility both in our dimension and outside of it as well, even with things like manipulation of time.
And so, yeah, those are the things that we need to look towards as you're talking about these quantum advancements and how we need to To try to visit them, possibly.
It would have to be through these methods, through these advanced methods, not by shoving people into a rocket to fossil fuel their way across the galaxies.
Okay, yeah, I agree.
So I want to ask you, I mean, there are some questions, so I'm going to look at the questions as well just before I do so.
I wanted to ask you if you know Daryl Sims.
No.
It sounds familiar, but I don't know who is that.
Now, again, I don't remember exactly his background, but I think he's a former FBI agent or CIA agent, but he now is an investigator.
I think he worked in law enforcement as well.
He uses sort of the investigative method more similar to probably your own.
To look at cases of abductions, etc.
And he's a very interesting guy.
I highly recommend you check him out.
So his name is Daryl Sims.
You can look him up, you know, Google him and you'll find his website, etc.
I've also interviewed him on my shows.
There's someone asking you if you believe there's a flat earth.
Do you follow that theory because of your interest in Antarctica?
I guess they're saying.
I have something to say about that, that I actually have spoken, especially I've spoken to young people who follow all of the emerging theories in the counterculture,
let's say the fringe culture, and It appears to me after surveying how flat Earth has suddenly become very ubiquitous everywhere in the last, just in the last year or so.
I am, and it's so, and it's really, I don't think, I don't give it much credit.
And I believe that based on the timing, and the timing with what's going on in Antarctica, and the possibility of hollow Earth, Even being discovered at Antarctica, which is another possibility.
There could be an actual, vibrant, living culture in Hollow Earth that has been...
I mean, if you look at those staircases and those openings that were available on Google Earth, I don't know if they're available anymore because those things tend to get pixelated out suddenly, mysteriously.
But you could see those staircases that were as big as the Capitol steps and leading to openings that were as big as the Statue of Liberty.
And it's another possibility.
It's another real possibility that they may have discovered a living civilization that has to do with hollow earth.
That could be there.
And the timing of all this flat earth hoopla in the last year or so, I believe it was timed to Mix up with Hollow Earth and to discredit anyone who would dare to speak about Hollow Earth by kind of mixing up the whole Flat Earth theory with Hollow Earth.
That's how I see it.
Okay.
Let's see.
I agree with you.
There's definitely an inner Earth aspect and there's an interdimensional inner Earth as well.
And all of that is extremely fascinating and worth investigating.
Let's see.
Somebody is asking you if you think the elite are reporting to interdimensional aliens.
Well, that's a very...
Is that David Icke on there asking that?
No.
Okay, because that's really deep and ultimately, I'd have to say in a sense, yes, I do believe there is a connection between the real elite,
what I call epic, the elite powers in control, Who are at the top of this pyramid, guiding and issuing marching orders to the nations, not just to the United States, but I'm saying all the nations.
And yeah, there is some sort of connection that is, and I, between the epic and ultimately the extra, these interdimensional entities that have a lot invested in In keeping the epic in power over humanity.
And yeah, there is some, I don't know if it's as formal as reporting back, but yes, there is a very strong connection.
And I love David Icke's material on this.
I think he's one of the great truth tellers of our generation.
And I very much believe that that is definitely the case as far as that connection goes.
Okay.
Someone else is saying something about Ascension Island, a radio antenna array, asking if you've heard of this.
He's saying it used to be maybe run by the BBC, now the U.S. military.
Oh, I have not...
I mean, it sounds familiar, but I don't recall what that case was all about.
But if BBC is involved...
You know, BBC is part of the same structure, the same mainstream structure that creates mainstream media that is dominated by the same six corporations, which ultimately go back to the same controllers that we're talking about.
The EPIC, the elite power is in control.
They're not in control of you and me, but they are in control of the institutions that are global.
Unfortunately, people submit themselves to that control voluntarily all the time.
Well, actually, along those lines, I am curious, have you received any threats or had anything happen to you to try to change your trajectory or the things that you've investigated push you back, etc.?
Have you been visited by men in black, you know, things of that nature?
No, nothing of that nature.
Whatsoever.
And I don't expect anything of that sort.
And if it were to happen, I'm quite prepared for that sort of thing.
Okay.
Someone here is asking, are the interdimensional aliens all bad?
I don't think you're saying that, but do you want to reply to that?
Yes, I do.
And no, they are bad.
They are partly bad.
They are partly good.
And the way that you can prove that is by going through these cases and talking to witnesses, talking to people.
Because it's, in my experience, it's been pretty evenly divided.
At least the people that I have encountered, whether you're talking about contactees, abductees, the basis of Of evil is involuntary actions, making people do things against their will.
And yeah, a lot of, most abductees are against their will.
I've talked to abductees who are actually voluntary, who actually were part of groups that are called these outreacher groups.
and they make an art out of reaching out to alien visitors and getting contact back from alien visitors and they tend to have very positive experiences just like and so there yeah I believe you always have to you always have to look at the cases and look at the witnesses and And for me, they've been fairly evenly divided.
I don't think there's any denying that, yeah, there are malevolent alien visitors.
Yeah, of course there are.
Because even going back to Betty and Barney Hill, The one that set the standard, their experience was not positive, it was very negative, and it plagued them throughout their lives, to the end of their lives.
But there's also other classic cases where it was very positive experiences.
So I can never, I cannot deny, I have to always say, of course there are positive extra dimensionals, and there's negative ones too, but we have to learn to tell the difference, to be able to distinguish.
Okay, someone is asking if you think some of these questions, you know, it's up to you how you want to answer them.
Sorry, hit me Carrie, I'm ready.
Someone wants to know if you think time is speeding up?
Man, it sure feels like it to me.
I mean, it really does.
But then again, maybe, you know, and yet I've been seeing a lot of material that maybe that's an illusion because time itself is also an illusion.
That we are not really seeing time as a river, but that it is we who are passing through some kind of plane that makes it look like time is passing.
And I actually recently heard that theory from David Icke, I think like yesterday I heard him saying that because he actually was saying that he believes, he's feeling like he's now able to start, something akin to, I'm able to start controlling time because of the importance of the work that he's doing.
He actually feels like he's getting younger.
So, wow, put that in your pipe.
I heard him say that and I was like, wow, you know, maybe he's got the key there.
Well, yes.
Time and space are an illusion, so there's no reason why that can't happen.
There's one last question, and then I'm going to let you go, and I want to thank you very much for being a great guest.
A person is asking you if you think the FBI are going to be moving on pedophile arrests soon, and I'm not sure whether this is, because you're not in the FBI anymore, this is something you can address or not, but feel free.
I really can't address it because, like I said, I try to avoid contact with the organization because I don't want them to be compromised in terms of the writing of my books and so forth.
But I can tell you this, the FBI is in a period of politicization that I've never even dreamed could ever happen.
The FBI is a fantastic organization when they work on terrorism, kidnappings, bank robberies, the traditional functions that they have fulfilled for over a hundred years, and they are the best in the world at doing those things.
When they get involved in politics, suddenly all that goes out the window and I'm hoping to see an end to them being politicized so they can get back to the work that they are so excellent at, as far as I know, as far as my experience has always been.
Okay, very good.
So, is there any last parting words you would like to share with the audience?
You know, here's your 15 minutes of fame.
No, I'm just kidding.
No, but it's a great platform for you to share any parting words.
And also, please do encourage people to come down and see you at the UFO.com.
Yes, people, please come and see me, just like the very kind Kerry just pointed out.
From the 24th, 25th, and 26th, we will be breaking some news there on UFOs and the future of ufology.
There will be some great, great speakers.
Of course, we'll have George Nury there, the great George Nury, Tom Danheiser, David Adair, Rosemary Ellen Guiley, and many, many What I would like to tell people at this parting message is,
please go to Amazon, just read the first 50 pages for free of The Power Investigators, because it is a primer.
On what real investigation is, what real evidence is, because we've been trained, unfortunately, by television, that only real evidence of things is what you can put in a test tube, what men in white lab coats tell you is real evidence, and whatever can be examined by science, and nothing can be further from the truth.
Real evidence, the strongest kind of real evidence, is whatever you can connect to human authenticity.
That is the strongest type of evidence, and that's what real investigators also know.
So I would always urge people to just read the first 50 pages of my book, The Power Investigators, on Amazon for free, just so that you get that idea so that you can defend yourself in the coming months from all the waves and waves and layers Disinformation, misinformation, deception that is going to be coming at you like never before.
Because it's going to be amazing and it's going to be everywhere.
And I'm talking global.
So that's my message to people at this time.
Okay, great to hear.
And I have put, I've gone to your website, I've put your book front and center on the screen for people so they can see what you're talking about and highly recommend that people do take a look.
As you say, they can read, it sounds like 50 pages, which can give you a real good idea whether to go further with the book for sure.
So I want to thank you so much for coming on the show.
And it's been a lot of fun to talk to you.
I'm sure we could talk much longer.
If I do make it up to the event, I will try to get together with you and do another interview in person.
If that's possible, I do want to put a heads up out to people that Project Camelot does need funding in order to continue my work.
It's quite expensive for me to travel if I do travel to get interviews as I did recently when I went to the UFO Congress.
The expenses do mount up very quickly.
So if you want to help, go to my donate page on Project Camelot.
You can send money that way and there's lots of different ways of doing so.
So in addition, I just want to say have a great weekend everyone and And thanks again for being on the show.
It's great to talk to you, John.
Thank you so much, Carrie.
What a pleasure being here with you.
Thank you so much.
All right.
So you take care.
And again, we'll just let you go and we'll run the credits here.
And thanks, everyone, for watching.
Okay?
Take care.
All right.
Bye-bye.
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