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Feb. 10, 2017 - Project Camelot
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MICHAEL SHRIMPTON : AN UPDATE GERMAN INTELLIGENCE INFILTRATION INTO WORLD GOV
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Thank you.
Hi, everyone.
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and today we have a very interesting guest, Michael Shrimpton, and he is here with us.
I am going to have him, actually he is not going to be on camera, he's going to be on voice only.
So we're going to keep his poster on when he's talking so you can see Who is talking, more or less, and sort of switch between him and me.
Now, what I want to do, first of all, is actually get him here on the screen so that, again, you're basically looking at his face.
And, Michael, you want to say hello?
Hi.
Good afternoon, everybody.
You're coming from the West Coast, aren't you?
So it's a good afternoon.
Exactly.
A very chilly Britain where it is snowing at the moment.
Okay, fair enough.
And at the moment, what we've got here is a short bio that I'm going to read for the purposes of the video, and then we'll just jump right in with you.
So Michael Shrimpton is a barrister and currently suspended.
He was called to the bar in London in 1983.
He is a specialist in national security and constitutional law, strategic intelligence and counter-terrorism.
He has wide-ranging connections, both in Western intelligence agencies and amongst the ex-Soviet bloc agencies.
The late General Oberist Marcus Wolff of the Stasi and DVD was one of his contacts.
Michael has earned respect in the intelligence community for his analysis of previously unacknowledged post-World War II covert operations against the West by the German DVD organization based in Dachau near Munich, Germany, and its British, French, and American client agencies.
Interesting way of putting it.
These continue to the present day as politicians and the media are too nervous of standing up to them.
And I have done a previous interview, as most people will know, with Michael.
So welcome, Michael.
And hopefully this sound will be I hope so.
It's a pleasure to be back on the show.
You did very well to bring me out of my shell on the first interview, and delighted to be back.
Okay, lovely.
And so what I want to do here is basically kind of introduce you in a little bit different way, draw people's attention to your Veterans Today column that you write, and you've written several even recent articles on what's going on with the Trump administration, etc., And so maybe we can start from there, and then we'll go deeper from that standpoint.
So what I will do is also just briefly show people your Veterans Today column as you talk.
So go right ahead and talk about the articles maybe you've written lately, how you got to work for Veterans Today, and so on.
Well, I... I had never heard of veterans today until my arrest in April 2012.
And Gordon Duff, the editor-in-chief, and I had no dealings at all.
I think Gordon had had very brief dealings with Neil Jones, the man who passed the intelligence about the missing Russian nuclear warhead on to me, from Tokyo, from Ben Forkhead in Tokyo, and obviously Rich Ben from I think Igor Sergan in Moscow had certainly come from Russia,
almost certainly the GRU, the Russian military intelligence, and I think almost certainly Igor Sergan, Major General Igor Sergan since dead, sadly, was the original source of the intelligence as the Russian Navy had tracked both warriors, in fact, on their way into the UK. So I think Neil Jones may have certainly monitored battles today.
I didn't.
And it was very interesting to be introduced to Gordon.
Almost straight away, he identified the arrest as a crop.
It caused a stir in intelligence circles, and that's how Gordon became aware of it.
It was flashed around CIA, MI6, MI5, you name it.
And subsequent to that, Gordon then invited me to join his distinguished panel of writers, and I was very pleased to do so.
Absolutely.
And he did defend you, actually.
There's an article out there in which he does so, and he, you know, you have since found out from, I understand, other sources, NSA being one of them, that the nukes were real, and that it wasn't a, you won't Even hoaxing anything, even if, you know, in other words, your intelligence was good.
Ben thought his intelligence was good.
Let's give credit to Ben for passing the intelligence on.
Ben had previously identified the German attack on Japan at Fukushima, which was the third nuclear attack in history on Japan.
That was the March 2011 attack.
Ben had called that correctly.
I was aware of Ben.
Because of his work on Fukushima, Gordon Duff I became aware of the following year in 2012.
Gordon came out not long after the first warhead was recovered.
He has good sources in the Department of Energy, National Nuclear Safety Administration, the CIA obviously.
And we were around the world, and Gordon came out and said, yep, the intelligence was correct, and there was a nuclear warhead, and a U.S. nest nuclear emergency security team had recovered one of the warheads.
Right.
So, in essence, your own government went after you, and you feel there's an infiltration, correct?
That's what I call it, sort of an infiltration of the government on the high levels and the intelligence agencies, and you're saying this is the German government.
What you call DVD that's infiltrating.
So can you qualify that perhaps?
Explain why you think your government went after you, maybe first of all, and secondly, you know, something about the DVD, how they originated, I guess, back in the days of the Gestapo, etc.
Yeah.
Now, it wasn't so much the government.
David Cameron backed the prosecution.
One of the officers in the case was invited into Downing Street.
And foolishly showed me a photograph of him outside the door of number 10 Downing Street, which confirmed that Downing Street were in direct contact with the prosecution.
I suspected it, but that was the first formal proof.
The initiative to arrest him came from German intelligence.
They have assets, and in particular they had an asset high up in the Cabinet Office, Many people abroad think that Britain is a functioning democracy.
That's true on the surface.
It isn't true in reality.
We're a democracy in terms of the label and in terms of the formal structures of our society, but we're not a democracy in practice.
The government is largely controlled from the Cabinet Office.
It certainly controls the civil service and largely controls the government.
Because it has access to blackmail files on MPs, Ministers, Senior Civil Servants, Judges and so on.
And these blackmail files, Senior Police Officers, these blackmail files were very, very important.
And that blackmail operation is in fact run out of GO2 headquarters, which are in Vauxhall Cross, part of the MI6 facility there.
And when you say, let me just slow you down a little bit here, because people listening may not know, be as fluid as you are with these terms.
So when you say it's run out of, GO2 is run out of, MI6, I guess you said.
Yes.
What you mean is a faction, you know, like a satellite office of the German DVD is located within MI6? Is that what you're trying to say?
That's correct, yes.
MI6 headquarters, known as the Wedding Cake, are in Vauxhall Cross, just by the Vauxhall Cuban Railway Station that you're visiting England, and we'll have a look at it.
The Vauxhall Cross is the headquarter of MI6, the new headquarters.
They used to be in Century House, of course.
Before that, they were in Broadway.
And all of the MI6 operations in London were concentrated into one building.
GO2 has part of that building.
It's called the Wedding Cake for two reasons.
A, it looks like a cake.
And B, it has multiple layers, like your traditional wedding cake.
And within the building, there are layers of security, layers of access, and the top of those layers, the smallest but the most important, at the very top, where at a wedding cake we might have figures of the bride and the groom, or a gay wedding, the two grooms.
The most powerful part of the organization, at the very The apex of Boxall Cross is the German operation in London, G02, which is the old Abwehr operation that was set up in 1945.
So how is it?
Sorry, I cut across you, Kerry.
I was just going to make the point.
Some of your listeners may not be intelligence liquid.
I'm sure many are.
For those who only see intelligence On film or in books, there was a series of books written by a very brilliant television television officer called Ian Fleming, featuring the famous hero James Bond.
The double O section in the fictional books, the Bond books, was a play on G02. So Fleming, who was aware of G02, took the O02 and turned it into the double O section.
I see.
But in other words, you're saying these are not patriots, though.
These are German.
Oh, no.
Their loyalty is to Germany?
Correct.
They work for the Jerry's.
They may as well goose step around and wear, you know, but they may as well wear spiked helmets and do the goose step.
No, they are working for the Farmer Land.
Absolutely.
Now, it's quite interesting.
Not all of the people inside GO2 know that it's a German operation.
Because it's based on MI6, because the director is traditionally an MI6 officer, many of the boys working for GO2, mostly men, but many of the boys working for GO2 thought they were working for us.
And they were doing bad jobs, blowing up buildings and eliminating people.
And they thought they were working for Britain.
And one of my sources inside GO2 effectively termed when I displayed it in that in fact the GO2 was working for the Germans.
Okay, so how long you've been really involved in in essence in the intelligence kind of community as it's called whether it's really a community or not I don't know but You know, you have been involved for many, many years.
Aside from your work as a barrister, isn't that right?
And actually, in essence, as your bio says, specializing in intelligence, which means that you are, to some degree, I don't know, if you are an asset of the government, you are, you know, how would you term that, your role with regard to intelligence?
Well, I'm certainly not an asset of the British government.
The British government doesn't talk to me at the moment.
The Prime Minister may have made tactical use of intelligence.
I provided that, but it wasn't provided directly.
It was provided through a friend of mine, sadly now dead, which allows me to name him.
Lieutenant Colonel Harry Beckhoff, MPD, who helped win the Battle of El Alamein in 1942 by supplying decrypts of Rommel's communications over to Commander of Wehrmacht in Berlin to General Montgomery, Lieutenant General Montgomery as he then was, who was the general officer commanding the British 8th Army.
Harry Beckhoff was Montgomery's key liaison officer with Bletchley Park.
who of course was reading the German enigma of traffic.
Montgomery was able to win El Alamein because he had the decrypts of Rommel's communications with Berlin and they were provided to him in his caravan by Harry Beckhoff who became a friend of Rome.
He took some intelligence from me, verified it, and passed it on indirectly to Theresa May.
Not directly, he passed it to another chairman of the Conservative Party.
Theresa was also a chairman of the Conservative Party at one point, and the intelligence was filtered to her on the chairman's net, which is a little old boy's debt work inside the Tory party with contacts with British intelligence, the Green Masons, and so on.
And I'm certainly not an asset of the government, Well, you're not operating, let's put it this way, because it is an interesting sort of dilemma or game, however you want to look at it, and I'm curious, you know, how does this work?
Because you must be working You're working on behalf sometimes, it seems, of even the Americans.
And so you must be working with some positive elements within, say, the British intelligence agencies.
MI5, MI6, and you say there's an MI, I think you called it MI8 or 12, I forget which.
Well, there's an MI18, which I've identified in the book.
MI18 is...
It's the most powerful British intelligence agency, and it's powerful precisely because it isn't an agency.
It's not a bureaucracy.
It doesn't have fixed headquarters like MI5 and MI6. Effectively, it's not an agency.
It's a loose network.
During World War II, in wartime, it was a more formal arrangement.
And it branched into the Special Operations Executive.
Hugh Dalton was an MI-18 officer.
He was in charge of the Special Operations Executive.
It was effectively MI-18, but with a different name.
MI-18 is very, very difficult to penetrate.
Yes, I am part of that network, but it's very informal.
I don't have a badge, I certainly don't have a salary, and I'm always operating what's called an intelligence world, not for NOC, non-official cover.
Okay.
Therefore, you're exposed, you're way out on the limb, and I certainly found myself way out on the limb in 2012.
But it is an informal network.
I don't work for the British government.
I don't work for British intelligence.
But I worked with British intelligence and I worked, as you say, with American intelligence.
With MI5, I've never actually been into Thames House, their headquarters, but I would have lunch or the occasional drinkies.
Yes.
I rarely bump into MI6, but I've got names and numbers there.
If I want to talk to MI6, I pick up the phone and talk to them.
I did in 2012.
They knew about the warhead.
They didn't deny it.
They sent somebody along to watch my trial, but there was very little they could do because of German penetration of the Cabinet Office.
That's really extraordinary to hear.
And of course, as far as I know, you're the only person coming forward to actually say these kinds of things, right?
I mean, is there anyone else backing you up?
Other than, I guess, in a sense, Gordon?
There are.
I'm not on my own.
One of them sadly was murdered.
That was the famous journalist Christopher Story.
Oh, yes.
Okay.
Good people.
Yes.
Christopher and I didn't always see eye to eye.
In fact, Thames Valley Police at GO2 request and drove a wedge between Christopher and myself.
Thames Valley Police told Christopher not to talk to him, which effectively set up his assassination.
The Germans had decided to assassinate Christopher.
He had gone public on the DVD in his journal, International Currency Review.
Right.
The Germans had decided to assassinate him, knowing full well that I would probably get wind of an assassination attempt, knowing full well that I knew that a man that Christopher was in contact with in America was a German agent and was working with the head of the DVD in the United States.
G02 asked Thames Valley Police to wedge Christopher and myself.
Unfortunately, that operation was successful.
Christopher fell for them.
Nonsense that was hoisted on him by Thames Valley police, and that cleared the way for his assassination.
He was murdered with a poisoned salmon salmon in the state of Ohio, as it happens.
Uh-huh.
So who is this?
I mean, I don't know whether you can say the actual name, but can you talk about the infiltration in the American government by this German organization, the secret German organization?
And let me preface this by saying, you know, you know, or that I believe most people know that For example, Jim Mars has written a book called The Fourth Reich.
And there is ample evidence that the paperclip scientists came over and orchestrated our secret space program and that they are, in fact, lodged in a base in Antarctica for one of their base of operations.
So I'm assuming this is all one group, more or less.
And there are some kind of intelligence headquarters, you're saying, is happening from Germany.
Yes.
So where are you aware of them infiltrating the U.S. government and the U.S. intelligence services?
Can you point us in directions?
I can even tell you where the German headquarters is.
It's in a building on the outskirts of Frankfurt Airport in Germany.
That houses an intelligence agency called the Korea Group.
For which there are two spellings, C-O-R-E-A in capitals, Charlie Oscar Romeo Echo Alpha, or Korea C-O-R-R-E-A, Charlie Oscar Romeo Romeo Echo Alpha, named after a German agent now dead called Korea.
But the Korea Group, which is headquartered in Frankfurt, controls the CIA and the FBI, and it does that through assets, usually acquired by blackmail or by bribery.
Or, in some cases, although this is now very much less common, in some cases through ethnic Germans with U.S. passports who are loyal to the fatherland.
Such as George W. Bush.
Oh no, George W. Bush was a very nice man, is a very nice man.
George W. Bush, that's known in the intelligence community, he's usually referred to as 43, his father is usually referred to as 41.
I meant his father.
I'm sorry.
Well, I couldn't possibly comment on his father.
His uncle was a German agent.
This is the elder Bush brother.
George H.W. Bush is still alive, is still tossing coins at Super Bowls, and it would be impolitic of me to make it.
You may think that, I couldn't possibly comment.
But I can confirm that George H.W. Bush's elder brother and his father, Prescott Bush, were both generations.
Prescott Bush was a senator and Probably the single most important German agent in America in World War II. There were others, including General Marshall and Avril King, that Prescott Bush was extremely important, particularly on the financial side.
I doubt that Germans could have funded World War II without the assistance of Senator Prescott Bush and the banking family that he was tapped into in talking Brown Brothers and Harriman and so on.
Avril Harriman was another German asset It may help if I explain to your viewers or listeners.
Sorry about the video, by the way, but we're under some technical constraints here.
If I illustrate the problem of German penetration of American politics and intelligence by naming some of the German assets, historic German assets, who are dead, I can name them.
All right.
In compliance with our strict English laws of libel, Eisenhower was one, clearly a very important German agent in America in the 1950s in the White House.
Eisenhower had helped set up D-Day, which was a deal with Rommel.
Eisenhower was trying to install Rommel as the Führer in replacement of Adolf Hitler back in 1944.
The first director of the CIA, Roscoe Hellenkreuter, who had been the key German asset at Pearl Harbor in 1941.
The Dulles brothers, John Foster and Alan Walsh Dulles, both worked for Germany.
Donovan, General Donovan, the head of the Office of Strategic Services, the forerunner of the CIA, was a German agent.
The elder Rockefeller was working for the Germans.
Quite extensive.
So this would really comprise what is an essence, or it sounds to me, A conspiracy, in essence.
A very real conspiracy, in other words.
And so, how your contact, I forget how you say his name, Becker, Beecham, something, anyway, the person who died.
Bekoff.
Bekoff.
So he...
Harry died in 2015, so he's aged 101.
Right.
So he had been around during World War II and was very familiar with the players.
What was his background such that his intelligence was accurate?
And how did that kind of relationship that you had with him work in terms of...
You know, it appears that he was sort of spilling secrets to you of a very high level and so on.
So what was that about?
Well, what Harry and I were trying to do was to clean our British colonies, get Britain out of the European Union and shut down GO2 and do some damage to the DVDs.
So, effectively what I was doing was publicizing stuff that Harry wanted publicized, but he couldn't do it himself.
And this often happens.
Intelligence agencies can't...
If you're an intelligence agency, you're working for the good guys, but the bad guys, your boss happens to be working for the bad guys, how do you get stuff out of the public domain?
Well, you can't do it directly.
You can't put out a press release.
But you can do it indirectly.
You can have a quiet word at your next friendly Freemasons lodge meeting, and a nice Freemason have a chat with another nice Freemason.
I'm not Freemason, but I might have a working breakfast.
Stuff is passed back and forth.
And you soon get an idea of what stuff people want out there.
I've never damaged the British national interest.
I'm certainly not going to put out stuff that is going to do to Israel or Britain or America or Russia or any good guys.
My job is to go and do some damage to the bad guys.
Ian Fleming was doing the same thing.
The difference between Ian and myself, Ian was working under wholly different constraints.
Ian was working with very powerful German control of the press, both the media, the newspapers, but also publishers.
Ian, I think correctly, given the constraints, took the decision to expose what Germany was up to by writing novels.
And that's why you have German bad guys in his novels, and you have Spectre, I don't think Ian could have done it the way I've done it, because he was writing in the 1950s.
The first Bond books came out in the early 1950s, and he was publishing 30 years before the internet revolution.
The internet revolution and the reduction of the cost of publication meant that by the 1990s and the first part of the last decade, it was possible to get the truth out and it's possible for books to be published because you have desktop publishing Publishing costs come down,
the capital requirements come down, therefore you don't have to go to banks for loans, and the Germans largely control the banks through their offshore high-yield trading operations.
And effectively we've had a democratization of knowledge through the internet, through desktop publishing, through YouTube and channels like yours.
So the truth can be got out in a way that could not have been done in 1950s.
Sure.
But to get back to Bekoff, so he's operating within, I think you said MI-18.
Isn't that right?
Yes.
Harry was part of MI-18.
Officially, he was Bletchley Park.
His official role was security of Bletchley Park.
He was Bletchley Park.
Bletchley Park was the government code and cyberschool.
That was the Okay.
Well, viewers have seen the film Enigma, or they know anything about Alan Turing, they will know about the famous efforts by Bletchley Park to break the German code.
And that's a fascinating movie, by the way.
Yes, it was great fun, and it showed a number of German spies on the screen, including Minghees, the head of MI6. Stuart Minghees was the head of MI6, was working for Germany, as was Ken Gross, as was Roy Jenkins.
Harry Beckhoff made both Cairncross and Jenkins and was responsible for Roy Jenkins being removed from one hut where he was doing a lot of damage to a hut where he would do less damage and they could keep a closer eye on him.
Harry was part of the team which exposed Roy Jenkins, the British politician, as a German spy.
So that was a major intelligence trial.
Harry also knew that Stuart Mingies was working for the Germans Okay, prosecutions.
Okay, now is this past or present tense that you're speaking of?
Well, this is past.
This is going back to Harry's excellent work of Lexington.
All right.
So, during World War II. He was drafted into Bletchley Park, as he was such a brilliant linguist.
And then he was sent out, the juries were very nervous on him, and it was decided, although he didn't speak a word of Japanese, that they would send him out to break the Japanese codes, which was a bit of a farce.
That was a little bit like the transfer of the brilliant Intelligence officer for the U.S. Pacific Fleet after Midway, who ended up running a dry dock in San Francisco.
The Germans and the Japanese realized he was far too good and they had to find something for him to do, which didn't involve serious intelligence work.
Harry, who didn't speak a word of Japanese, was sent out to Burma, but ended up working with General Slim, the general officer commanding the British 14th Army.
Big Harry, he did brilliant work on that, but he was handed by the fact that he couldn't speak Japanese.
I understand, but there is a role here that I'm curious about with regard to Germany, a relationship between Germany and Japan.
There's currently an interesting Amazon series called Men in the High Castle, and it's all about what appears to be a relationship between those two countries, and I find it Interesting that they would spend so much time on the series developing that idea and I wonder how much truth there is to it because there is this idea of they initially had sort of an alignment between the
two cultures in the idea of wanting to keep their sort of bloodlines pure even though they weren't the same bloodlines.
So how would you characterize that?
Well, The Man in the High Castle is a fascinating television series.
Well done to Amazon.
The production standards are very high.
The original book, which is not faithfully reflected in the TV series, the original book was a fascinating book written by a man of very high intelligence who picked up the fact that there was German penetration of US society at a very high level.
Effectively what the author was doing was he was portraying reality in a novel, but portraying reality in such a way that even a journalist or a politician would understand.
Had he talked about high-level penetration and blackmail and bribery and so on, he wouldn't have had the same dramatic impact.
Man on the High Castle has a huge impact on the public because the German control over America in the 1950s and early 60s is laid bare using a fictional formula, an alternative timeline.
It's a fascinating...
It's obviously a work of fiction.
It's a very interesting It's a very interesting way of doing things and I have reviewed Man at High Castle in my week column on Veterans Day.
I always end my column with a review of a film or a TV series and I have reviewed both No problem.
No problem at all.
So in terms of this, you know, the picture you're painting is actually rather dire.
So how does the sort of good guys combat this incredible infiltration?
That seemed to have permeated all levels, in essence, of the higher levels of society.
It is possible to win.
One of the things the good guys need to do is to know who the enemy is, and they need to be well informed.
And that is partly my role, is to Get the truth out there so people know who the enemy are and what they're up against.
But it is possible to beat the bad guys.
We've had two very significant victories last year.
The election of Donald Trump is clearly an American patriot and I think will be a great president.
It started off well.
I'm sure it will be even better in the next three years, three and a half years, and I anticipate he'll win re-election if the Germans can be stopped from assassinating him, which we all hope that they won't.
I anticipate he will win re-election in 2020.
I did predict in my column on Beckham today that he would win.
His victory did not take it by surprise at all.
So that was a big win for the good guys.
It was a big win for you guys.
And we had a big win in Britain called Brexit.
So it is possible to speak to Germans.
It is possible for the good guys to win.
But the good guys have got to know who they're fighting.
Where the bad guys are, who the bad guys are, how they operate.
The days of people fighting blind, like George W. Bush was in his first term, they're gone.
Okay, so in terms of the way you see all of this playing out, are you aware of the Secret Space Program?
I think you wrote at least one article about that subject that I noticed on your column, and I think you're really pointing at the early days of the development within Nazi Germany, etc., So, do you want to talk a little bit about that?
We have quite a bit of evidence of this, and I don't know if you ever get a chance to watch my interview with William Tompkins, but he's coming at it from a little different direction, but nonetheless, it does all go back to Nazi Germany as it happens.
Yes, I mean, William Tompkins and I would agree on that.
We would disagree on, I think, the extraterrestrial aspect.
There's no doubt that there was a secret space program after 1945.
As I explained in my book, Spy Hunter, almost all the key German designers dropped out of sight in 1945.
All of them had sort of long jobs.
There is no clear that there are what you would call gaps in their resumes.
And I think it's very clear that those gaps cover a secret space program with bases in South America.
There is undoubtedly the German bases in Antarctica.
There almost certainly still is one down there.
It's entirely clear what's happening in Antarctica.
We have bases near the Peruvian border with Argentina and so on, the tri-border area.
Absolutely fascinating.
One of the reasons we have the International Space Station is to stop secret launches with a permanent space station, which the Germans are very anti being set up, with a permanent space station.
It's no longer possible, of course, to have secret space launches.
In the 1950s and 60s, that was possible.
Right.
We did have people up there monitoring what was going on.
Okay, and from your point of view, it has been said, I believe it was by Tompkins and a few other people, probably one of my witnesses, Mark Richards as well, that the Germans did go to the moon prior to the US going there as part of their secret space program that was developed within Antarctica.
It's possible.
It's extraordinary.
The German intelligence is behind There's a theory that the Americans have never reached the moon.
I have actually spoken to, I think there's two, possibly three lunar festivals.
There's no doubt that Apollo 11 landed on the moon, or the lander eagle landed on the moon.
There's no doubt that Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong walked on the moon.
We just lost Gene Cerny, who was not the last American astronaut to walk on the moon.
There's no doubt the lunar land is happening.
The issue is, was America first?
Especially if America got to the moon.
Especially if America got to the moon and the Russians just didn't.
Did the Germans get there first and land on the dark side of the moon when nobody could spot what was going on?
Well, it's just possible.
I wouldn't argue against it.
We know there's a secret space program.
There are fascinating, fascinating tidbits of astronauts seeing other spacecraft, which clearly could only have come to Earth.
Definitely not extraterrestrial, far too small to be extraterrestrial.
Shadowing.
There's some suggestion that Apollo 13, which was sabotaged by the Germans, some suggestion that Apollo 13 was shadowed.
What I do know is the Germans tried very hard to stop the Apollo project.
They murdered the three astronauts on Apollo 1.
They were murdered by...
The operation was put in charge of a German agent called Werner von Braun.
They were murdered by So you're saying, you're basically saying at this moment that Wernher von Braun was responsible for the death of, let's see, White, I actually forget their names, but you're, you know, that.
Virgil Grissom, to my shame, I'm only going to get two of them, Virgil Grissom and White.
Chappie, maybe.
Chappie, Chappie, yes, their names, Roger Chaffee, Gus Wilson.
These guys are heroes.
They should always be remembered.
They were victims of a murder plot.
Wilson, White and Chaffee.
Murdered by German intelligence.
Very much in charge.
So, in essence, you're painting him in a very different light than a lot of people like to do.
And I wonder, is your source the same Beckhoff, or is there another source?
Do you have multiple sources on this?
Multiple sources on this.
Now, one of the sources was on the Apollo 1 investigation.
When the CIA realized that the Germans were Trying to stop Apollo, a deal was done where some high-yield finance was shifted into the Apollo program and the Germans were effectively made to pay for a large chunk of it.
The financing of Apollo is quite interesting.
The budget wasn't quite...
It didn't all come out of US taxpayers' dollar.
There was some quite interesting nifty behind-the-scenes finance deals set up in negotiation between Okay,
so what you're saying is that there was knowledge at the high levels of The program, say NASA, whatever, that was very aware that von Braun was in what it appears, the way you're painting him anyway, as what is in essence a double agent.
Yes.
Von Braun always worked for Germany.
He was never a Nazi.
He worked for the Abwehr.
People get thoroughly confused with German intelligence in World War II. German intelligence would never Nazis.
They may have worn Nazi uniforms and they may have paraded, they may have boosted around and given Hitler salutes, but that didn't make them Nazis, that just made them look like Nazis.
Your average Nazi was not very bad.
Well, how are you distinguishing between one German intelligence agency and another and the term Nazi or not Nazi?
In other words, isn't the goal the same?
Well, the goal may be the same, but the methods are entirely different.
Von Braun was never a Nazi.
He's opposed to the Nazis, therefore people thought he was a good guy.
So what does it mean to be a German agent that's opposed to the Nazis but agrees with their ultimate goal?
Well, the answer lies in the The Nazis were installed by German intelligence.
Admiral Canaris controlled the Nazi party until 1938 with Anschluss and the seizure of the Austrian Gold Reserve as the Nazis suddenly become independent.
The Nazi party is a creation of German intelligence and in 1938 they lose control.
I understood that it was also a creation, though, of the Allies, that in essence Churchill and, I guess, other high-level people were involved in actually creating Hitler, allowing him to come to power, and then taking him down.
Oh, no, no.
Churchill was always a pastor of that.
Very opposed to it.
Obviously Churchill died when I was at age 8, and I knew Churchill's grandson, his favorite grandson Winston, and there's absolutely no doubt that Churchill was always opposed, violently opposed.
Okay, what about Warburg?
Warburg was head of German intelligence.
Warburg in World War I, Max Warburg, was the head of German intelligence, and he was a key player in the installation of the Nazis.
Okay, and how are you characterizing, because I really want to get to the root of this because some people might find it interesting, simply when you're talking about a Nazi as opposed to a German who believes in the Nazi cause, so to speak, but isn't a Nazi.
So what's the difference?
Well, the difference is intelligence, the Nazi movement is a political movement, It was a creation of German intelligence.
German intelligence installed the Nazis, they get Hitler into power, then they lose control.
It's a little bit like Frankenstein's monster.
Frankenstein was the monster, but Frankenstein was made.
It's a bit like Hitler was the monster and Canaris was Dr.
Frankenstein.
Okay, but in other words, even their methods.
So are you saying the methods of the Abwehr, because you're saying Canaris was head of the Abwehr, and not of the Nazis, that he and Hitler did not agree?
What are they, more reasonable Nazis?
Is that what we're supposed to gather for them?
They don't knock off as many people?
What is there?
Well, Canaris was never a Nazi.
He wasn't particularly anti-Semitic.
He was however a prime instigator of the Holocaust.
But his instigation of the Holocaust had everything to do with German strategic ambitions and Middle East oil and deals that Canaris cut with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, al-Husseini.
Nothing whatsoever to do with ideological anti-Semitism.
So you have German intelligence creating this party, putting it into power, losing control, trying to get it out of power by assassinating the head of the party, Adolf Hitler.
And failing miserably.
And it was the failure of the final attempt of the Adver to eliminate Hitler in July 1944, which doomed the Adver as an intelligence agency, was a prime factor in the setting up of the DVD, its successor.
One of the reasons for that is that the Nazi Party developed its own intelligence arm.
That was never Never the Abwehr's plan.
The Abwehr always wanted to be the key intelligence agency in Germany, along with the Gestapo.
The Abwehr and Gestapo lost out heavily to Himmler and the SS. The Gestapo were largely under Abwehr control.
The head of the Gestapo, Muller, Worked very closely with Canaris, the head of the arm there, and both faked their deaths from 1945.
The story of Muller is well known.
When they dug out this coffin, eventually they found bits of three bodies in it, none of them Mullers.
Never a good sign if you're digging up the coffin of an intelligence chief and you've got bits of three bodies in it.
I'm going to assure your listeners that if there are three bodies in the coffin of an intelligence chief, not one of them will be the chief that you're looking for.
Okay, so what is the ultimate goal then of what is left of German intelligence, so to speak, and with all of these things they're orchestrating, which includes false flags and the sinking of the...
Titanic, which we haven't gotten into, and various other things going on.
In other words, and you believe that also that, I guess, John F. Kennedy, that they were somehow involved in his death.
Yes, the Germans assassinated Kennedy because the Germans, you see, Eisenhower was a German asset.
So was Nixon at that point.
Nixon later turned against the Germans while they forced him out.
But Eisenhower was working for the Germans.
The Germans wanted Nixon to win in 1960.
Kennedy then sacked a German agent that sent in the CIA, Alan Welsh-Dulles, and the Germans then decided to assassinate Kennedy.
So that assassination was set up by the DVD, and it was the paper trail, the audit trail behind that assassination, which led back to Dachau, that the CIA picked up on.
That's when you guys first become aware of the DVD. It's the Kennedy assassination.
Okay, so what is the goal of this organization that ultimately has now, you know, underground bases in Antarctica and is strangely calling down John Kerry, the Secretary of State, on the night of the election to report down there.
On top of it, we've got Buzz Aldrin sort of strangely making a very interesting public statement about sort of the root of all evil.
And being shipped out of there quickly.
And then I understand the Pope and also a ship that was bearing a weapon that was discovered somewhere underneath the Mecca, the black kaba stone underground.
Some weaponry that was ancient alien technology was discovered and shipped with Russian escort down to Antarctica around the same period of time.
So what is the ultimate goal?
Is this the new world order that they want to put into place?
What do they want to do?
Rule the world?
Yeah, exactly.
That's it.
Rule the world.
It hasn't changed since the prosa.
It's all to do with German domination.
Germany will seek temporary allies like Japan, but as we see portrayed in fiction in Man in the High Castle, the German view of the Japanese was that they were allies of the Soviets.
Germany has no true allies because Germany wants to basically rule the world.
It will work with other countries like Japan and then China, but it will drop its allies in the dirty, in a heartbeat, if it thinks it's in Germany's strategic interest to do so.
The Japanese found that out in the 1990s when the Germans basically yanked their highs and high-yield programmes.
The Japanese economy went south and the Germans switched from Japan to China.
The German-Sino-German deal that the Germans dropped the Japanese.
And the fictional Man in the High Castle portrays that in a way that's easy for viewers to understand.
So it's still the Everworld domination.
I won't expect you to agree with the Extraterrestrial links to secret weapons.
There are a number of very powerful secret weapons programs, but they are most definitely man-made.
They have nothing to do with alien technology.
I know very many people believe that.
And there's a huge, huge amount of information out there suggesting that.
But most of that, I think, can be traced back to disinformation campaigns by the DVD, who are trying effectively to cover up Well, they've done a terrible job if that was the objective, apparently, because people are very well aware of the German roles and so on.
They're less aware of the sort of alien link-up.
So, indeed, they are doing a very bad job of it, in my opinion, which actually points to it being a lot more true than not.
But, whatever.
So, At this moment, we have the world stage set in a certain sense, and I'm not sure whether you've ever talked about Iraq, Saddam Hussein, Libya, and some of the false flags and things also to do with immigration, the push to actually Move people out of the Middle East, it appears, and into the northern countries, such as France.
And England is very much involved in all that.
So, do you have a scenario that makes sense as to why all that is being orchestrated, in essence?
Yes, again, it's the old German-Islam alliance.
It goes way back to the Kaiser and the discovery of oil in the Middle East, and indeed the discovery of oil engines in Germany.
Oil is discovered in the Middle East.
Oil engines are discovered in Germany.
And it's perfectly clear that the British discovered in the turbine that oil is going to be the major energy source for ships and warships in particular.
And those German-Muslim links go way, way back to at least the 1880s.
You've got the Kaiser visiting the Cala in Constantinople and so on.
And the There's no doubt that a lot of this immigration is being organised.
The DVD controls most of the major human trafficking networks.
And what we have is a type of colonisation.
It's a neo-colonisation, if you like.
We have populations being moved not because of genuine concerns about asylum or not because of individual decisions, Because of a strategic decision by Germany to move large numbers of Muslims into North of Europe and into the United States, creating all sorts of tensions in the host communities, and of course creating opportunities for terrorism.
President Trump's approach is strategically correct, although there might be one or two legal, there have been one or two legal vistas, and I was reading the United Circumstance decision this morning, which is certainly wrong with respect to President Trump's got the right idea.
But I think the problem is that it was easy to portray him.
He may have misspoke when he spoke of banning all Muslims.
It's very easy then to portray him as a racist, which he isn't, clearly.
And to question his motives.
It's something they were not liking Muslims.
It's a strategic decision that he's taken in the American interest.
It's to do with preserving the American way of life and preserving American lives and property.
His national security concerns, I am sure, are undoubtedly genuine.
It's nothing to do with not liking individual Muslims.
And indeed, one has to be careful with Islam.
As I explained in my last column for Veterans Today, Islam is not a unified religion.
Several different religions rolled up into one.
Salafism is not a religion so much as an ideology.
That's a point made by the leader of the Freedom Party in Holland, and he's right.
Sufis are generally religious.
There are many very nice, genuinely religious, peaceful Muslims.
These are Sufi Muslims.
Indeed, you could say that the majority of Muslims are decent, Hard-working, peace-loving people.
The problem is there is a substantial minority who are not.
And it is this minority, the silentists, who are mainly the ones being moved into North America and into Northern Europe.
Okay, but you're saying, you're in essence also, you've also said along these lines that For example, the Mossad is infiltrated by German intelligence, and the Mossad will also be orchestrating to some degree some of what's going on in the sort of unrest in the Middle East,
you know, kind of a spearhead, as it were, and a company run, it appears jointly by Britain and the U.S., although you're saying it is infiltrated.
So what happens is the so-called Muslims coming in.
Look, we know that 9-11 was an inside job.
And we know that, in essence, most of the false flags are not really...
There are very few so-called Muslim terrorists.
There may be organizations that are being hired to do certain things, like ISIS, which is to destroy national...
You know, the ancient sites like Palmyra, but in essence they're doing the bidding of what seems to be perhaps German intelligence and certainly the CIA is in on it and other branches of the United States government as well as the British.
So how do you deal with this scenario?
In other words, We're not talking about Muslims who are actually terrorists at all.
In fact, I think you can die of a bee sting faster than you can get killed by a terrorist, so the odds are extremely astronomical.
But nonetheless, most terrorists, they're not lone gunmen, so that's a falsity.
And the other thing is that they're working a job, someone else is running them.
And I think, in essence, you're saying it's the Germans who are running these people.
Correct.
Remember, Sani al-Banna was a key German agent.
He sets up the Muslim Brotherhood in 1928.
All Islamic terrorist organizations can be linked or traced in one way, shape, or form to the Muslim Brotherhood, which is essentially a terrorist organization, but was a German terrorist organization, not Islamic.
When you look at a terrorist organisation, all terrorist organisations are state-sponsored.
You have to look at the motivation of the sponsoring state, not that of the terrorists themselves.
Now, many of the terrorists, you know, Muslim terrorists, Islamic terrorists who are carrying out suicide attacks, like the one in Berlin, which was disgraceful.
These are Muppets.
They're easily recruited.
They're effectively low-lifes.
Many of them have federal records.
Limited prospects.
Well, they become Manchurian candidates, don't they?
Well, exactly.
They're not the people setting the strategy for the organization in which they happen to be a member.
Right.
Well, that's very careful about false flags.
Britain and America do not sponsor Islamic terrorism.
However, you will find links between ISIS and the CIA, for example, that they will be links with the Korea group in Frankfurt, not with the CIA. So, somebody might have an American accent and be traveling with an American passport.
They won't be working for America.
They will be working with a German.
And this is where intelligence becomes forbiddingly difficult, because German spies, sadly, don't all run around with Wearing swastika armbands.
Right, exactly.
Our lives in Camden Kelly would be made a lot easier if they did.
Your German spy may look like an American, may talk like an American, may sound like an American, and may have been born in Butchartar, Kansas, but will, in fact, be working with Germany.
Eisenhower is the best himself.
So what is this whole thing?
Yeah, fair enough.
Okay, but what is this whole thing that's going on with sort of the painting of Russia as being the bad guy?
This is a German misdirect or redirect?
Absolutely.
Vladimir Putin is a very nice chap.
I've never met him, but he was a friend of several friends.
I've been from Moscow and spoken to senior advisors of the administration there.
Vladimir Putin, as I call him, is an awful nice chap.
He is not a bad guy.
He's a good guy.
He's the elected president of Russia, which is a democracy.
And he's getting a fearful hammering in the media, in the mainstream media, from mainstream media organizations which are infiltrated or controlled from Germany.
They're either infiltrated by the DVD or they are controlled from Germany.
There are a number of pro-German organs in the United States.
New York Times, passively, Washington Post.
And these organs are anti-Putin, anti-Russia, because Germany is afraid of Russia.
And they're afraid of Putin because he's intelligent.
He is, or was, an intelligence officer.
He knows about the DVD. And I've had discussions in Moscow with Russian intelligence officers about DVDs.
Of course they know about the DVD. They discovered the DVD when they took out Stalin in 1953, and the Germans fear Putin because of his knowledge, because of his intelligence.
He is definitely someone that we should be doing business, and President Trump is absolutely right, and Prime Minister Theresa May is absolutely wrong about this.
He is the elected leader of a Christian country, a Western country, Which has its deep roots in Christian civilization going back centuries.
And we should be treating the Russians as a potential ally.
We're on the same side as we were in World War II and in World War I. The Germans, of course, are always fearful of a two-front war.
And the Germans are very fearful of being squeezed with the Britain and America in the West and Canada and Russia in the East.
But that is why they're having a go at Putin.
To the point where they've fabricated the most ludicrous lurid allegations, like Putin ordered the assassination of Lieutenant Colonel Litvinenko, who wasn't even murdered.
He killed himself by taking an antidote to colonial poison that he used.
Okay, because he was taking the antidote at the same time.
He was, in fact, killed by the antidote.
It's a metallic substance called Prussian Blue.
It can be quite dangerous, more dangerous than the Polonium, if you're unlucky, and he was.
He died of peritonitis, not Polonium poisoning.
All right.
And Alekh Oskar, a Russian journalist murdered by German assets in the Russian underworld, Poor old Anna Pavlovskowska is effectively murdered on all German orders in order to embarrass Putin.
Poor old Putin is there in Moscow, being blamed by the Western media for assassinating his perfectly harmless, perfectly nice journalist.
Okay, actually, what I want to do here...
...assassination of the journalist.
Okay, sorry, but I want to actually grab something that we kind of left by the wayside during our first interview, and we've been going for quite a while here, and you're being very forthcoming and very generous with your time.
I'm going to ask everyone...
Sorry?
Yes, we'll have to wrap up shortly.
Yes.
I'm very glad to bring me out of my shell again.
Wonderful.
But what I'd like to do first of all is encourage the people in the chat, if you have any questions, put them in all caps and do this right away so I don't have to scroll back to the top.
Even if you've already written your question, it would help.
The other thing is that I wanted to go into the Madeline story, a bit of the whole sort of Pizzagate pedophilia thing, and the role of possibly Podesta with regard to the Madeline story.
So you seem to have intelligence about that, what really went on there.
So do you want to talk about that?
Well, I can't comment on John Podesta, partly because I'm not I think John Modesto needs to explain why he was in Portugal the night that Madeleine McHale was kidnapped by the DVD. So I think there are questions to answer.
I'm not accusing him of pedophilia.
I'm not accusing him of being involved in Pizzagate.
I'm aware that he's been linked to it.
But I don't know enough To make an accusation.
And I haven't really done a lot of work on Pizzagate.
I've looked at it.
It's murky.
It reflects the work I've been doing on Madeline McLaren and Peter Barberings in the UK. It looks very messy indeed.
And it's noticeable that pro-German organs in the United States are pushing this fake news idea which has come on to the sort of edge of the public square in the last few months.
Fake news, the idea that there's fake news out there, and there are some websites just manufacturing and storing, to damage the credibility of it generally.
The whole fake news nonsense is a reflection of German theories that a major people on operation in Washington is on the verge of being exposed, and it's going to take down some good news.
The links, the similarities, the parallels of Britain are very clear.
The European Union in Brussels was largely gained by using paedophile rings.
There are a large number of paedophiles in Belgium.
There are paedophile rings operating in Belgium, which don't just blackmail and penetrate the Belgian government, but also blackmail and penetrate NATO and the European Union.
And it was one of those rings that organized the Kiddler to Madden the Cairn.
She was selected for abuse and murder by a senior official of the European Commission in Brussels.
Okay, but why is that?
Oh, the Germans get political favors.
The children for abuse, at this level, it's not about sex, it's about politics.
You have a deviant, you're fulfilling the deviant's desires, which are entirely criminal, wholly immoral, They were made public.
Therefore, if you're supplying the children for him to abuse, you have a complete cold over him.
It's usually him, not always.
Usually it's him.
And whether his interest is little girls or little boys or adults or whatever, if you are able to meet deviant sexual desires that cannot be defended in public, which involve the abuse of youngsters and invariably their murder, Because if they're old enough to recognize their abuser, they can't ever be left free again.
You have a complete and total hold over that person.
And if that person can be maneuvered into a position of or follow, then you have a complete hold over the organization of which they are a member.
The European Commission is a riddle of pedophiles.
Exactly how many there are, I don't know.
This ring was operating on a very large scale.
In 2007, they made a huge plunder by kidnapping a British toddler who had loving parents, both parents and doctors.
And they were media savvy.
Prior to that, this ring was concentrated on bringing in boys and girls from Brazil, from Sao Paulo, where we had hundreds of children disappearing on the streets of Sao Paulo.
Kidnapping and murdering and abusing a street kid from Sao Paulo is wholly immoral, wholly wrong, and absolutely condemned.
It is easy to get away with because there's no one to care for the kids.
The Brazilian government had no idea what was happening, so apparently the police department were almost as useless as Thames Valley Police, and kidnapping hundreds of kids under their noses wasn't very difficult, and it wouldn't be difficult to do in Thames Valley either.
When they kidnapped, when the Germans kidnapped Madeleine McCann, they bit off more than they could chew.
This wasn't the kid whose absence was not going to go unnoticed.
This wasn't a kid they could abuse and murder in secret.
They eventually did murder, sadly, in December 2008.
But by then, there had been a huge hue and cry, and every family and every child in Britain knew that one of Iota's, Madeline McCann, had gone missing.
Now, sadly, the McCann's were not intelligence literate, and sadly, they were too trusting of the police.
They were led by the nose, I'm afraid, by Leicestershire Police.
And, in particular, they were briefed.
I was briefed against by Leicestershire Police.
One of his officers made an outrageous claim at my trial.
The FBI described me as a fantasist and borderline insane to Leicestershire Police in 2007 during the Madeline McCann.
Inquiry, that was wholly untrue.
The FBI, in fact, brought to the investigation of my request, which was blocked by the Justice Department, I gather, on orders from the White House.
An investigation which I hope now will be reopened by the new Attorney General, who was a man of honour.
The McCann case for the Germans was an absolute disaster.
They got away with it in the end.
They were able to murder her.
They were able to set up a ludicrous allegation that the parents had been involved in the kidnap, which is just an eight-night nonsense, or involved in the disappearance.
Accidentally, I'm true.
They sort of introduced nonsense of having slither dogs.
A slither dog can't tell the difference between one body and another.
All it can tell is that you can certainly trace the smell of a cadaver.
And that is all the cadaver dog will do.
It will follow the lead.
If you're trying to fool a cadaver dog, it's even easier than fooling a Thames Valley policeman.
Okay, so you had...
You can leave the dog any way you want.
All right, but you had a role to do with the McCann case.
Is that correct?
That's right.
I was then on the board of account intelligence consultancy for Gerard Group.
They were based in Tingsville, Massachusetts.
And Gerard was the operative system, and I led their investigation.
So I was working with Gerard, on whose advisory board I sat, and we worked very closely with a number of intelligence agencies, and we established where she was being held, how she'd been kidnapped, why and by whom.
And it's all set out in redacted fashion in Appendix 8 of Spider Hunter.
Oh, right.
Okay.
So it's really amazing the things that you have become aware of.
And I think your sort of network must be quite extensive.
And it's to your credit that you've managed to survive this long, I have to say, with everything that you know.
One of the reasons I'm still alive is I have insurance.
And the bad guys know that...
If they take me out, the names of current live German agents will reach the media and the world.
I see.
Very good.
I am more dangerous to them dead than alive.
Excellent.
Okay.
When they're balanced, yes, they may try and murder me again, but their first name wasn't terribly successful.
Right, all right.
Now, people are asking some questions here, and, you know, so I'm going to try to grab a few, and then we really will let you go.
And so I'm going to kind of try to do this quickly.
So, okay, some of these are just comments, so that doesn't matter.
I should explain to your listeners, I'm eight hours ahead of Pacific Time, so...
Right.
Sorry about that.
Let's see.
Well, I don't know.
Is Stephen Hawking a CIA asset?
No.
No, he's a very brilliant man.
He's very, I mean, he's got IQ, I think, about 160, but he's pretty smart.
Uh-huh.
He's a physicist.
He's brilliant.
He's got some odd views about Einstein.
He thinks Einstein is right about the speed of life being a limiting velocity.
And he thinks the space-time continuum is real, which it isn't, in respect.
And he believes in global man-made global warming.
So he's got some slightly odd views, but he's certainly not NASA, but the CIA. Okay.
Let me see.
I guess, in essence, somebody is asking, was Madeline part of a, what is in essence, a sort of a group of dark magicians?
Are the dark magicians working with the German, I guess, DVD? Dark actors, yes.
The DVD are dark actors because they work behind the scenes.
The group which kidnapped her was Spanish, but they were working for the DVD. They were involved in a pedophile ring operating out of a facility near Toledo in Spain, which we eventually were able to get shut down.
I guess they're...
The questions they're asking relate to sort of an underlying question about the nature of the DVD and the nature of this whole sort of organization that wants to rule the world.
They must be working with, in fact, I know they are, working with some black, what we call black magicians.
Are you aware of that side of things?
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, Black Magicians is not really a part of my area of expertise or not something I've worked on.
But yes, the DVD have all sorts of people they use, people they work with.
I always look behind the people they're using to the people who control.
I'm basically heading to the top.
Well, what about the P2 Lodge and the Vatican link?
Oh, yes.
LinkedIn, P2. P2 is part of the DVD's network.
The P2 is an independent organization, but it worked very closely with the DVD. They're all tied in together.
Yes.
And you've got bandos at the Vatican.
The Vatican reached a strategic alliance with Germany through Barbarian, the various Catholics.
Bavaria and Prussia merged.
Bavaria basically brought the Vatican with them, and that meant the Vatican's intelligence operation was brought into the fold.
The Vatican religion is one of the core functions of the Catholic Church, but it's not the only one.
The Vatican is the world's oldest intelligence bureaucracy.
No doubt about it.
So someone here is asking something about the history of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Do you know anything about them?
No, I'm afraid.
Jehovah's Witnesses come knocking on the door and they ask if I've got a religion.
I say no every day.
Excuse me.
And they go away.
I'm not Jehovah's Witnesses and I know very little about them or even their underpants.
Okay.
Is it somebody's asking...
The Mormons have the magic underpants, don't they?
Not the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Okay, someone's asking...
I know very little about it.
Strange religions are not really my topic of interest.
Okay.
Someone is asking something about the French police, so-called...
How does one accidentally rape somebody?
An African soccer player.
You can't.
I haven't looked at that particular incident, but you can't have an accidental rape.
Right, obviously not.
It requires intent purposes.
Let's see.
What about the Queen of England?
Does she know the truth?
That is a very sensitive topic.
I believe a copy is 500 or his furthest way to the palace, but I will say no more than that.
The Majesty is well informed.
Okay.
Let's see.
Heinrich Mueller.
For the words of doubt, I've never met the Queen.
I've seen the Queen at Quest Fortis when she decorated my aunt at the OBE, and I have been I met my Bentley in a parade of Rolls-Voyces and Bentleys past the Queen of Edinburgh in Windsor Castle.
But I've never actually met him, I just thought.
Okay.
But actually, well, that gets into the death of Diana, and you know how Diana was killed, correct?
Yes, she was assassinated, yes, actually.
Okay, do you know why she was assassinated?
Well, that's the interesting thing.
I think the primary target was Daley Fyatt.
I think that Diana was seen as a bonus, if I can use that expression.
And I don't want to come across it sounding callous.
One has been involved in deaths and murders and discovering the truth and so on.
For so long, it's terribly easy to become case-hardened.
In fact, the death of another capture, the kidnapping of a battle on the ground, and then a murder, effectively very deeply.
And I've tried many tears over that.
And I've moved beyond that stage, as I said in my book, I've moved beyond that stage to one of the cold few, a determination to avenge her death.
The same with Diana.
I heard Diana's voice recently replayed to her, some voicemail she left for a friend, who was a friend of a friend of mine.
It was very moving to hear her voice, you know, speaking all this as she was in the next room.
She was clearly assassinated.
But I think the key to understanding it is the role played by Dodie's father in certain business.
It's a very difficult area.
Don't overlook Dodie's fire.
Two people murdered that night in Paris.
Not just Diana, but also Dodie.
Yes, absolutely.
Iran is involved.
Let me put it this way.
Iran was involved and Iran-Iraq war was involved and armed deals were involved including supply of arms to Iran during the Iran-Iraq war.
Diversion of money intended for Iran is also involved.
I will say no more than that.
Okay.
Let's see.
Heinrich, this is the last question I'm going to ask you.
I should explain I don't own the studio.
Yeah, no problem.
Sorry about this.
Heinrich Muller, the person wants to know, did he die at the end of World War II? No, absolutely not.
Heinrich Muller was head of Gestapo, and his death was faint, in conjunction with Canaris.
Muller, I think, eventually died again in the 1950s, and he survived for a number of years.
Effectively, the Gestapo carried on.
They just changed the uniforms and changed the name.
They were part of the DVD. Right.
Fair enough.
Okay.
So, well, this has been, you know, fascinating as always and actually a lot of fun.
So it's great to have you on the show and I hope we can do this again in the future.
And I encourage everyone to get your book, Spy Hunter.
Fascinating.
And you cover all sorts of other things, including the sinking of the Titanic, and you know a great deal about history and ships.
You're something of an expert as well.
In terms of military, I don't know, hardware, what would you call yourself?
Military, I don't know, strategist?
Yes, I'm an intelligence historian, but the intelligence of the military are so personally fired up that I effectively am a military historian as well.
Right, but you really do know the hardware as it is.
I do, yes.
Yes.
I can tell the difference between H.M. Hood and H.M. Renown.
And that goes for the Rolls-Royce story as well, which you have played a very interesting role there.
So what I want to do is just thank you very much for coming on the show.
I hope maybe at some point we can do this using video again.
I will be in the UK in the summer, so maybe we can do an in-person thing then.
So thank you for coming on the show.
Do you want any parting words, anything you want to tell the audience?
I say you've done very well again to bring me out of my show.
Thank you for inviting me on the show.
It would be nice to come back on.
I'm sorry we've been a little constrained in terms of video links That's out of my control, I'm afraid.
Perhaps we could have a video interview with a more relaxed time frame later in the year.
And if people want to follow up, I write a weekly column for Veterans Today, as you've been kind enough to say.
And if people want to follow me, I write every week on Veterans Today.
My next column will be going to get tomorrow or Monday.
Sunday or Monday.
Absolutely.
So, again, thank you so much for...
For being on the show.
And it's just great to talk to you.
And everyone else, thanks for watching and for listening.
And there has been a really constant amount of chatter going on in the chat, regardless of whatever questions.
So you're sort of stimulating a lot of thought and a lot of discussion.
Thanks.
Have a nice day.
Okay.
Take care.
Okay.
Well, that was great to have Michael on the show here.
He absolutely is a fountain of knowledge, so to speak.
So we will be back next week if I get a chance to get a few guests.
However, at the end of the week, I am going to be attending the UFO Congress.
It looks like Miles Johnston will be there as well.
We will probably try to do a joint...
Sort of set up a table outside the conference and interview any very interesting people that show up.
And I will be doing some meetings here and there in that vicinity as well that have already been set up, one of which will be with Michael Schrapp, for example.
So if you do see that I'm going to put something on my website, stay tuned to my Twitter.
And if you're not subscribed to my Twitter, Or to my Facebook, and that's my personal Facebook, but I also do this sort of hoot thing where it goes out to all my Facebook pages, including Project Camelot and so on.
But on my personal page, I may go live on Facebook from the organization, you know, the conference down there, and that is on Friday and Saturday of I think it's the 17th and 18th of February.
I know that the Conscious Life Expo is this weekend.
I don't know if I'll be able to go by there or not.
I may not have time this weekend, and I am moving apartments in the next few days, so things are kind of hectic.
But if you wanted to meet me at the UFO Congress, or if you wanted to meet me at the This weekend.
Then you can email me at kerry at projecthamlot.tv.
Let me know you're coming and also why you might like to meet me in person, etc., etc.
And whistleblowers, as they say, are welcome.
So have a great day and a great weekend regardless, and take care.
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