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Feb. 9, 2017 - Project Camelot
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KAREN TATE: DIVINE FEMININE - HEALING THE EARTH
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Thank you.
She was on my show a while ago, and we're going to be talking about The Divine Feminine and her latest book.
So she's an independent scholar, a speaker, a radio show host, an author, and a social justice activist.
And her body of work blends the experiences of women-centered multiculturalism Evident in archaeology, anthropology, and mythology with her unique academic and literary talents.
She has travel experiences throughout the world and we will certainly talk about that.
Her emphasis is on the roles of women and the study of comparative religions and ancient cultures in a modern or reconstructed context and she is interested in bringing The ideals and awareness of the sacred feminine into the mainstream consciousness.
So Karen, I'd like to welcome you to the show and it's great to have you here.
So that's quite a small or short bio.
I know you've got quite a body of work.
Do you want to sort of talk about how you got started on this path and then maybe highlight some of your latest works?
Sure.
Well, you know, no one's more surprised than me, quite frankly, that this is the path I've been on for probably the last 25 years or so, because I started out a Catholic in the Bible Belt.
And, you know, you don't learn much of anything, if at all, about the sacred feminine or goddess of the Bible Belt.
But when I was about 30, my husband and I moved to California.
And I like to think You know, that cliché is true.
When the student is ready, the teacher appears.
And that's exactly how it was.
I attended a class on goddess.
And looking back on it now, it was really kind of a fluff piece, but it cracked the door open.
And before you know it, I was reading people like Rhianne Eisler, who wrote the wonderful groundbreaking book, The Chalice and the Blade.
Admiral and Stone, When God Was a Woman.
And just for fun, that great fiction book by Marian Zimmer Bradley, The Mists of Avalon, but told from the female perspective.
And, you know, it was a slippery slope.
I did not look back.
When I discovered a feminine face of God and realized that We, you know, for 30 or 40,000 years, humanity had actually revered a feminine face of God and that had been kept from us in patriarchy.
I was on a mission, you know.
I felt like if, you know, it took me until I was 30 years old to discover this and how important it is and what an impact it has on women's lives.
That I was going to spend the rest of my life bringing the sacred feminine to women, to men, helping to rebirth those ideas at the center of society.
Because I really do believe, and so many others do too, it's because those values have been swept beneath the rug that the world is in the shape it's in.
So, you know, I'm an ordained minister in the faith.
For a while, for about 10 years, my husband and I had a non-profit called the ISIS Ancient Culture Society.
I got the opportunity to write my first book, Sacred Places of Goddess, 108 Destinations, because we had traveled to so many of these sacred sites.
You know, there was an intention there because when I was new to this, you know, I wanted to be certain that this wasn't some woman's fantasy or feminist fantasy, if you will.
And I, you know, married my passions of travel with Sacred Feminine.
And before you know it, you know, we were Traveling to all of these different places.
Can I stop you right there?
Because we're having something very strange going on with the screen here.
So I need to fix this.
Your screen has gone completely dark.
I don't know what's...
I saw that.
I don't know what's going on.
Let me turn on light overhead because before it was too bright.
Okay.
Maybe we'll have to do it like that.
Yeah, we can see you again, so that's a good start.
It's very strange.
Yeah, I've never had that happen before.
Yeah, no, that's really unusual.
So maybe they're experimenting with YouTube and doing some weird thing.
Who knows?
But at any rate, we can see you.
It's quite red, as you can see, but...
I think people can see you regardless, so at least they can hear you.
The wall behind me is it.
Oh, is it?
Okay, well there you go.
I'm in a room in my house we call the Isis Temple of Thanksgiving and this particular wall is actually a red wall, so you're not losing your mind or anything.
It's not just the lighting.
Okay, fair enough.
So at any rate, you know, we can see you now.
So I'm sorry, you were talking about your travels with your husband.
Yeah, I mean, because I was really interested in actually standing in these places where a feminine face of God had been revered in ancient times.
So we married our love for this newfound spirituality and our passion for travel.
And we started traveling to all of these different sacred sites.
And it, you know, it validated this, you know, what I was learning.
And that we, you know, humanity did worship a feminine face of God.
And, you know, that was kind of shocking to a girl who grew up in the Bible Belt and, you know, had no conception of any of these ideas.
And I'm sure many of us, you know, At some point in our life, we're in that place because we didn't know the right questions to ask or the environment we grew up in.
This just wasn't something that ever came up in conversation.
Sure.
Well, so in terms of your background and what you've been doing, can you explain what are you doing now?
With your story.
And keeping in mind that we did do an interview.
So there is another interview that we have here on YouTube in case people want sort of the background behind all of it beyond what we've talked about.
But in terms of your current experiences and what you're kind of expanding into, and also I'm going to put your book on the screen here as well so people can see that cover.
Okay?
Okay.
Well, what I'm doing now, well, my fifth book just came out.
It's called Goddess 2.0, Advancing a New Path Forward.
And, you know, I kind of like to describe it as goddess spirituality all grown up.
And first of all, it is an anthology intentionally because one thing we discover when we embrace the feminine face of God is we learn the value system.
Part of the value system is collaboration, partnership, rather than competition.
An anthology is a great metaphor for the sacred feminine.
I invited wonderful wisdom keepers within our community, men and women alike, to lend their voices to Goddess 2.0 and express how the sacred feminine Actually takes us to a better place in the world.
You know, this is beyond the wheel of the year.
It's beyond Goddess 101.
It's beyond what color candle to use on your altar.
You know, it actually gets into the idea of the sacred feminine as social justice.
Okay.
So in terms of the social justice aspect and what you're kind of referring to there, are you...
Do you have cases that you're involved in, things that you take a special interest in out in the community?
How does this manifest?
Well, it's different for different people because there's so many things out there that patriarchy has tainted, if you will.
And, you know, we all sort of have our pet projects.
But...
For instance, with Rhianne Eisler, you know, she's one of the contributors in the book.
She speaks a bit about partnership and caring economics.
And, you know, caring economics is a big thing these days with so much income disparity out there in the world.
And Starhawks in the book, and we talk about, you know, women's health.
and abortion and the right to health care.
We talk about the importance of mythology and rewriting our sacred stories.
There are a lot of different ways that we can approach this.
But you start with the values of the sacred feminine.
You get to the point where you understand that spirituality is about morality.
And you have to reconcile your spirituality and your politics.
And so many people, I think, maybe haven't caught on to that.
I mean, of course, some have.
But for instance, if you are someone who's interested in, you know, climate change or what's happening to Mother Earth, you certainly wouldn't vote a candidate into office who doesn't believe in climate change or Doesn't care about the EPA or if we allow corporations to continue to poison the
water and poison the air.
We have goddess mythology that sort of supports these different ideas.
But you get to the point where you look at everything Through the lens of is it partnership and respect or is it domination and exploitation?
And I think that's what it really comes down to in a nutshell.
But it takes many forms, you know, it takes form of, you know, domestic violence, equal pay for women, you know, these ideas about balancing the masculine and the feminine and, you know, how men have been damaged in patriarchy as well.
So, you know, This sort of overlaps and branches out into many different directions.
Okay, so in terms of candidates, certainly you had quite a conundrum, as they say, with the latest elections.
So what can you say about that and maybe just some thoughts or how you reacted to the situation, etc.?
Well, you know, it might come as a surprise to you and maybe your listeners.
I wasn't a Hillary Clinton supporter.
I was actually a Bernie Sanders supporter because, you know, I personally felt, as did so many people in the United States, that, you know, we were tired of the establishment.
You know, we didn't want an establishment candidate.
And I think that's why...
You know, Trump ends up getting in, you know, for the Republicans because people viewed him as an anti-establishment candidate.
And I think that, quite frankly, that's why Hillary lost.
But, you know, for me personally, it was more disappointing to have Bernie lose to Hillary because there was so many things that went on during the campaign That really sort of left the Bernie Sanders people, I think, disillusioned, angry.
You know, there were issues with the elections and, you know, the DNC is supposed to be a neutral body and they really didn't act as a neutral body.
You know, everything was really stacked in Hillary's favor, including the news media, you know.
There were statistics out there that showed that, I mean, Trump was just getting humongous free, you know, publicity from the media and Hillary got an awful lot.
And if they talked about Bernie Sanders, they did very little in a very disparaging way.
So the media, you know, the corporate owned media, you know, we have to punctuate that, the corporate owned media, you know, they didn't do their job as the fourth estate.
And protect our democracy.
You know, they were really just in it for the ratings and the bucks.
And I think they really failed the country.
Now, all of that being said, again, I might surprise you, but I'm really looking at Donald Trump as sort of a gift.
And that's hard for some people, I think, to hear me say.
But I think if Hillary had been elected, everyone would have just went back to sitting on their couch in complacency.
When there's so many things that need to be fixed.
But look at how people are motivated and activated now that Trump is in office.
So I think we can ride this wave of enthusiasm and activism to really make some change.
Okay, well, you know, that's a good positive attitude, a very sort of can-do kind of attitude.
You put together a very interesting group of, I guess, Predominantly women in your latest anthology.
Can you talk about why you selected the people you did and maybe talk a little bit about the books so that people can kind of decide?
You've got several books, maybe, why this book might be unique in a certain way and why you might promote it, you know, as such?
Sure.
Well, you know, it's interesting.
When I think about the books, you know, my books have sort of followed my own personal journey.
You know, the first book was Sacred Places of Goddess, 108 Destinations, and that came out of the early days when I was traveling to all of these sacred sites, validating that goddess was worshipped all across the globe.
And the second book, Walking Ancient Path, well, That was more a reflection of the days when we were running our not-for-profit.
And it was about giving people ideas how they could bring goddess spirituality into their life or into their community.
Then, you know, after Walking Ancient Path, I got the opportunity to do Goddess Calling.
Which is inspirational messages and meditations of sacred feminine liberation theology.
And that's when I really started to get into the social justice aspects.
I was doing something called Sundays and we would give, I hate to call it a sermon because that sounds so Christian.
We would give a message every Sunday where we would talk about some aspects of the sacred feminine.
And how bringing it into our lives and into our community could make ourselves better people and the world a better place.
So that book is filled with the meditations we did in those sacred Sundays as well as the messages.
You know, the next book was Voices of the Sacred Feminine Conversations to Reshape Our World and that was really the first anthology and it was a reflection of my radio show and Called Voices of the Sacred Feminine on blog talk.
I've been doing that there for 10 years and I invited people who had been on my show to either follow up our interview with a related essay or sometimes we actually just did the transcript for the essay and then and that brings me to Goddess 2.0 Advancing a New Path Forward and This is a reflection of the spirituality maturing in
the community.
As people understand that when you look at the sacred feminine as an archetype and an ideal, that it actually does show us a roadmap or it gives us benchmarks to strive for to make the world a better place.
You know, we've always said, you know, down with the patriarchy, you know, may patriarchy fall.
But, you know, we did never say, well, what are we going to replace it with?
You know, what are our values going to be?
And, you know, and that's what we start to get into now.
You know, how do we recreate the world?
Sure.
Well, you talk about that, but I wonder if...
I think that we did touch on this before, but I think people would find it valuable to know that you do consider the idea that this is a time of co-creativity.
So it's not either, you know, we had a matriarchy, actually, and then we had a patriarchy.
And now, in theory, we have what is a co-collaborative venture on planet Earth that involves the male and female going forward together on a more balanced platform.
So, what would you say to that?
Well, we did have some matriarchal societies, but a lot of the societies were actually matrilineal or matrifocal or egalitarian.
And that's really what we're aiming for now.
We're aiming for partnership societies Egalitarian societies, or as some of our feminist scholars say, equalitarian societies, where we do value the male gender and the female gender, because this isn't really about gender when it boils down to it, because the perfect example is, I think, Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.
Bernie Sanders actually was more representative of the values of the sacred feminine, and he was a man.
It isn't about our genitals.
It isn't about whether we're a man or a woman.
It's really about our outlook and our values because there are many women who perpetuate the patriarchy.
They've benefited from it.
They know how to play that game.
They don't have any interest in things changing.
But if you're a feminist, if you're someone who wants to create a caring society with a level playing field, you know, we want to get rid of things like Citizens United and take care of the earth and have equality for women and, you know, all that entails.
Well, you know, those are values of the sacred feminine.
And both men and women are out there as advocates for those values.
Absolutely.
So in terms of your own path, I think people might be interested.
Do you follow the notion of reincarnation, for example?
Do you feel that you have come in with a mission that perhaps was influenced by a prior life?
Possibly.
You know, they talk about DNA memory.
I can tell you when I was in certain places in our travels.
In Egypt, for instance, it felt very familiar, strangely familiar for a young woman from Los Angeles.
So I think there may be something to the idea that we retain memories from past lives.
But you can think of it from the standpoint of the sacred feminine also represents the cycles of life.
And energy never dies.
So, you know, we're born, we live, we die, and we come back again.
So I guess you could say yes, you know, we do believe in reincarnation.
And I think, you know, you'll find some scholars that say they think the denial of the cycles of life might have been one reason that patriarchy actually comes into the picture because humans didn't want to die so they created a new mythology where they would live on in the afterlife you know it wouldn't be about this life necessarily it would be more about you know your heavenly reward because
they you know they they didn't want to face their mortality and And the sacred feminine, nature, goddess, very clearly represented the cycles of life.
And, you know, especially in our Western culture, you know, we have difficulty dealing with death and facing death.
And that could very well be, you know, one of the reasons, you know, that the sacred feminine fell out of favor, although there are probably others as well.
Sure.
Well, there is also the notion that transhumanism, for example, may actually be, well, is actually a very materialistic view of being human and what it means to be alive.
Even the various so-called ETs, off-planet terrestrials, etc., who are very focused on living forever, for example.
That what they want to live forever is in a body.
And they're focusing on the longevity of the body.
So this is materialism to the nth degree.
And so you also get cultures that have developed techniques to do this.
And in fact, there's evidence that block projects now, we have actually pushed that boundary quite a bit further along the lines of what the Anunnaki are known for.
But the Anunnaki themselves were extremely materialistic.
So this was their motivation.
And they also appear to be a fairly patriarchal culture.
So I'm wondering if you have looked at the various off-planet or visiting races, also interdimensionals, etc., and considered it, you know, what you're doing from that point of view.
You know, I have to be honest, that is not something I can speak to It sounds like you know a lot more about that than I do.
That isn't something I'd necessarily, you know, connect the dots to the sacred feminine, but that's not to say there isn't a connection.
I just don't know anyone in my community that connects the dots there.
Okay, so in terms of what we've got as a patriarchy, certainly you can acknowledge that, and it goes back actually to Sumer, and perhaps you've heard, and I don't know, did you ever go to Egypt and actually see the, you know, the pyramids and the temples and the so on?
Yeah, I mean, that's what I just said a moment ago.
Oh, okay, so you were there.
Yeah, I've been to Egypt three times, and...
And that was one of those places that felt uncannily familiar and it wouldn't surprise me if I was tapping into some DNA memory.
Okay, right.
Sorry about that.
So since you've been to Egypt, you've also seen the emphasis on the goddess in terms of Isis and, you know, in the temples and so on.
But you've also seen perhaps the more, you know, the patriarchy being depicted on the temple walls, etc.
So you've got kind of a mixture there, which is interesting.
But what has come down through the secret societies, have you studied that at all from the occult standpoint?
And the way the patriarchy has sort of distributed itself throughout our cultures.
Well, you know, different places were different in terms of patriarchy or egalitarian societies.
In Egypt, for instance, you know, women did fare better than they did in, say, Greece.
You know, women did not fare very well in Greece.
Knossos, however, you know, that's an exception on Crete.
We think that, you know, the vet society was probably an egalitarian society from the written records that we found.
So, you know, it really just varies.
Sure.
What about Malta?
Are you aware of the very, there's a very emphasis on this sort of overweight goddess woman in a lot of the Maltese temples and so on?
Yeah, I've been to Malta and I've been to the underground Hypogeum and visited all of the, they call them the mother-daughter temples and a lot of the other temples.
Well, you know, Malta's, you know, unfortunately, you know, archaeology used to be a hobby for rich white men.
And unfortunately, in those early days when Malta was being discovered and unearthed, shall we say, The archaeology was really pretty bad.
For instance, you know, they found the sleeping goddess of Malta in the Hypogeum there.
But, you know, because again, you know, the shoddy archaeology, we're uncertain, for instance, what the Hypogeum was.
Some think it might have been an underground dream incubation temple.
Some people think it might have been an underground tomb.
So we really don't know.
You know, we're left to, you know, to speculate and make educated guesses.
The fat ladies that you refer to, you even have male archaeologists who want to deny their even female figurines.
I mean, I was there myself and overheard guides tell people that they were sumo wrestlers.
So, you know, there's really, you know, a concerted effort still To keep the feminine out of the picture.
But Malta is a very interesting place.
I think there was probably a lot more land mass at one time because you can see these ruts from carts that sort of just end at where the water meets the land.
Obviously, people didn't just run their carts into the sea.
So I think Malta is one of these places that remains an enigma.
Yeah, no doubt about it.
So in terms of your travels around the world, perhaps I don't know if you've gone to a lot of sacred sites.
It seems that you might have.
So can you talk about some other sacred sites that you find particularly interesting Either inspiring or distinctive in some way along the lines of what you study.
Sure.
Well, one of my other favorite places was Turkey, because Turkey is actually a melting pot for a lot of different cultures.
So if you're looking for goddesses in particular, there's just so much there that, you know, so much that's been uncovered and so much yet to be on Earth.
I mean, you can go there and especially in the Anatolian Museum and you can find some of the earliest goddesses that go back 10,000 years from Chetel Hayuk, for instance, where they believe was, you know, egalitarian societies in Turkey or, you know, you find goddess figurines from the Hittite Empire, the Egyptian Empire, Greece.
I mean, it's, you know, even, you know, Christianity.
So, It's just a plethora, you know, a huge melting pot of cultures, religions, goddesses in Turkey, and I really enjoyed it there because of that diversity.
I think one of my favorite places there, however, was Aphrodisias, which was a spot A city that was dedicated to Aphrodite because, you know, when you're in Turkey and you talk about Aphrodite, she's sort of a different flavor of Aphrodite than the Greek Aphrodite, for instance.
She looks a lot different.
You know, her body has a polos on her head, which means she's sort of the protectress of the city.
You know, the polos kind of has...
It's like a crown that depicts temple walls.
Her torso was filled with animal registers that sort of harken back to her being the mistress of the animals and, you know, sort of the universal goddess of nature.
Where if you look at Aphrodite, the Greek Aphrodite, the Botticelli, for instance, you know, she she's She's much more been affected by patriarchy, I think.
You know, she's the goddess of love and beauty.
You know, she comes across as this boudoir babe.
And because I think Greece is such a patriarchal culture, we see Aphrodite as a shadow of her former self.
Where in Turkey, she's still the potent goddess of life and death from womb to tomb.
And she hasn't been stripped of her potency.
Right.
Okay, very good observations.
In terms of the latest book that you wrote, and it looks like there was a theme in which you were getting sort of feedback from a lot of different authors, but what is it that you want to achieve or what would you say is, you know, in other words, it kind In essence.
So how are you sort of asking people to consider that?
Well, you've kind of, you know, said it right there.
It's interesting how well received this book has been.
And there's a lot of excitement and buzz around it.
I think because of what's happening out there in the world right now, quite frankly.
You know, we've been here talking about the sacred feminine for decades now, and suddenly people are really starting to pay attention in a way that they maybe haven't paid attention before.
I think, you know, people are starting to realize that we do provide some of the answers.
You know, I like to say the sacred feminine provides not only solutions, but also sanctuary.
Because if we do rid ourselves of patriarchy, if we do rid ourselves of predator capitalism, We have to have an idea of what we're going to replace it with.
And the values that the sacred feminine emulates, I believe, gives us confidence that we have that road map and we know where we're going.
We've sort of tried it the patriarchal way for a really long time and look where it's gotten us.
So what we have to do now is bring in the sacred feminine Temper the masculine, not do away with it altogether.
We're not saying that by any stretch of imagination.
But I think what we've been living with for way too long is the shadow side of the masculine.
And, you know, it's the over-aggressor.
And, you know, we have to get back to the masculine being the protector rather than the aggressor or the dominator.
And, you know, we need the sacred feminine and divine masculine in balance and partnership.
And when we change our mythology, when we reawaken the pre-patriarchal mythology, and we see that the teachings have been there all along, they've just been dormant or swept beneath the rug, I think that gives people a sense of hope, a sense of security.
To know that we really do have the answers.
They're right there within us.
They've been here all along.
We just have to, I think, raise our awareness.
We have to evolve, vibrate on a different level, realize our interconnection, and stop this polarity, this constant Divisiveness I think that patriarchy intentionally perpetuates because if we're busy fighting one another then you know we don't rise up in partnership to really you
know change the things or demolish the institutions that are really the ones at fault for the suffering around the world.
Sure.
So it looks like you lead some tours.
Are you interested in doing some current tours or in the near future?
Well, I do things a little bit different now with the tours.
Back a number of years ago when I was doing a lot more travel, I would actually put a tour together and I would go out and invite people to join the tour.
Instead, these days now, people actually hire me to lead their tour.
I'll still go ahead and organize it for them if they like, but they have to get their own group together and I will go with them on the trip, put the trip together and lead them to the sacred sites, teach them About the sacred sites and the goddess do ritual at the sacred sites.
But rather than me being the Pied Piper going out looking for travelers, I let a group come to me and they hire me to be their tour guide, so to speak.
Now, didn't you at one time, weren't you involved in a television project?
Am I remembering that correctly?
Well, you might be thinking of the documentary that Sharon Stone, the actress, ATA of Wonderland Entertainment.
They put together a great film called Femme Women Healing the World and I was very honored to be a part of that and actually carry a part of the goddess spirituality story in that documentary.
Okay, so that's something for people to be aware of.
Now, do you have a link?
Was the documentary, is it available?
Can people see the documentary anywhere?
You know, it's been a while since I went looking for all the different places to buy it.
I know you can get it from me.
You know, you can go to my website, karentape.com, and go to the Goddess Store page.
And I have the DVD there that people can purchase as well as all of the different books that I've mentioned.
There's also a lot of free stuff there on the website as well.
Okay, so at this point what I would do is open it up for questions from the chat.
We do have a chat room.
I'm not sure whether or not there will be questions that manifest, but I'm just letting people know if you want to put a question or questions in all caps.
That can be very helpful for me catching it in between the chatter that's going on between you all.
And I am looking at the chat room as we speak here, just in case.
So please feel free to ask Karen while we've got her here any questions you might have.
What about children?
Are you working with children at all?
No, I don't particularly work with children, but there are goddess advocates in the community who write children's books and You know, do classes for children, you know, teach about the goddess to, you know, interfaith groups.
And, you know, those always include children as well.
Okay.
Fair enough.
And so in terms of the way, I guess, you see the future, are you looking to the future at this time?
And if so, you know, what do you see ahead of yourself?
For me personally or the world?
Oh well both if you like.
Well you know I'm actually very optimistic about the world.
You know I kind of alluded to that a moment ago when you know I mentioned about all the positive signs we're getting that you know people are finally waking up and getting off the couch and taking part in creating their own life in their own world.
I think that's going to continue.
I'm really inspired by the Millennials Who just blow me away.
They're the ones that give me the most hope.
And astrologers that I've interviewed on my show, I've had enough of them on to sort of get a consensus.
And they really believe in the next 10 to 15 years, we're going to see a major shift in a very good way.
The paradigm that we've been hoping to bring to the world To create, you know, a world of the common good, a world where we, you know, where caring and sharing and partnership is, you know, actually at the center of society rather than looked at as a weakness.
You know, those will be things that, you know, we embrace and value.
And that's, you know, that's what I continue to work for.
That's what I continue to teach.
And, you know, so I guess that sort of segues into me.
I'm just going to keep doing what I've been doing because it really feels like we're at a point where it's getting more traction than ever.
You know, and my dream, to tell you the truth, is to get a goddess show on television, you know, along the lines of ancient aliens.
so to speak you know with the longevity they've had because I think when people awaken to this material it's so multi-layered that you know you can look at goddess from deity archetype or ideal you know you can go to her sacred sites you can talk about ritual you can talk about politics you can talk about religion I mean there's so many different ways to take it you know I would love to see a show In the vein of ancient aliens on
television, but about the sacred feminine.
Sure.
Absolutely.
Someone, actually, before we continue, I just want to ask you, when you're talking about millennials, what are you talking about?
Well, the younger generation.
You know, I think those are the 20 to 30-somethings.
All right.
It's a term that people are calling that generation?
Yes, yes.
And we heard a lot about it, you know, during the Bernie Sanders campaign because, you know, he would send out a tweet and, you know, with 48 hours notice, he would have 10,000 people in a stadium.
And it was primarily millennials on social media who were hearing this message.
His message was very much along the lines of the values I've been talking about here that are sacred feminine values.
And I think that's what the majority of people really want.
They want a world that cares.
They're tired of this dog-eat-dog survival of the fittest predator environment that we're living in and so many people are suffering in.
Sure.
Now someone wants to know one of the questions.
Do you view Trump as a dominator?
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah, I mean, you can just look at him and see how he treats women.
I mean, he, you know, his energy is that of a bully.
You know, yeah, he, yeah.
Okay, but yet you do see the positive side of having him, in essence, maybe shaking things up.
Well, and also, too, I want to be fair.
There are some things that he had in common with Bernie Sanders.
He did talk about the bad trade deals that have cost Americans so many jobs.
He had some of the right rhetoric.
However, I think the problem is nobody challenged him on any of the facts or any of the details.
When we see the people that he spilled his cabinet with, all he did was fill his cabinet with billionaires who really aren't going to support the kinds of things that I think the people who voted for him thought he might usher in.
So I think he's going to end up being Republican.
You know, it's going to be the Republican Party on steroids.
But you know what?
They'll get cocky.
They'll overreach.
And I think they'll really shoot themselves in the foot, and maybe it'll be the end of the Republican Party.
Okay.
All right.
Let's see.
Someone wants to know, is there a female candidate that you would vote for for president, I guess they're saying?
Well, I mean, in all honesty, while I would love to see a woman in the White House, I want to see the right woman in the White House.
And as I said before, I thought Bernie Sanders was a better candidate than Hillary Clinton, even though she was a woman.
Aside from Bernie Sanders, at this point in time, probably the only woman out there in the public view might be Elizabeth Warren.
Okay.
Now, someone else wants to know how the transgender movement hinders feminism.
I don't think it does.
Yeah, it's kind of an interesting question.
Yeah, I'm not sure how they are looking at that, so it's not quite clear.
I guess somebody's asking what you think of Trump.
I think you more than answered that question.
Let's see.
I'm not sure this relates.
Someone asking about children that are child geniuses?
Does that make any sense?
Well, I've heard of children like the indigo children who have superior intellect and things like that, but it isn't something I feel like I can speak to in any detail, I'm afraid.
I'm sorry.
As far as the person who asked about transgender, you know, one thing I would say about the Sacred Feminine is that Sacred Feminine is about diversity and about inclusivity.
So, you know, in my opinion, you know, feminism goes hand in hand, you know, with the Sacred Feminine.
So if someone were transgender, they could find a home both in feminism and the Sacred Feminine.
That makes sense.
Okay, someone else here is asking, I guess they're saying, would you lock Hillary up?
I guess that's another way of saying, would you have them press charges, so to speak?
Well, you know, that was one of the things that Trump was, you know, it was like red meat he was throwing to his You know, his followers, they'll lock her up, they'll lock her up.
I mean, there was a lot of controversy associated with Hillary's campaign.
You know, I think there's a lot of corruption in politics.
I don't know what laws she actually broke.
She may have broken laws.
The FBI cleared her, although that was controversial too.
I don't care about the Clintons.
Their time has come and gone.
They can't get off the political scene fast enough for me.
I want to see the political scene filled with progressives.
That actually take care of the 99% rather than the 1%.
Okay.
Let's see.
I'm just skimming this here.
Do you have anything to say about the whole pedophilia sort of reveal that's been going on in our society from a feminist point of view or however you'd like to speak to it?
Well, pedophilia, when you said it, the first thing I thought about as a former Catholic is the Vatican covering up all the pedophiles in the Catholic Church.
I mean, pedophilia is a form of domination.
I said before, I think when we start looking through the lens, whatever the topic is, if it's politics, if it's pedophilia, if it's Environmentalism, if it's bit forma, if it's, you know, whatever it is.
Is what's going on respect and partnership where we create win-win situations?
Or is it, you know, domination and exploitation?
And what could be more exploitative or dominating than some adult abusing a child sexually?
Sure.
There's an energy situation going on which has a lot to do with that as well.
It also has to do with some very patriarchal views of humanity which have to do with stimulating kundalini energy.
Are you familiar with this and that sort of side of things?
Have you gotten into looking into Stimulating the Kundalini, etc.
Well, that's part of some of the ritual work, working with the chakras, working with the Kundalini, some of the ritual dance and things we do.
We try to raise the Kundalini in particular rituals, like when we're ordained or initiated.
I hadn't really thought about it in terms of You know, pedophiles, you know, we're really looking at it from a more women's empowerment point of view.
Okay, well for the male, you know, I'm not going to get into a lot of detail here, but with male children it does have to do with that and it also has to do with the Oregon energy that some people call it Kundalini if you're from the East and Oregon from the West.
Not to get too much into it here, but I do presentations on the subject, so just wondering if you're aware that it is about getting young boys to awaken very quickly, and sometimes it can be very destructive as a result.
Through sexuality?
Yeah, through anal sex.
That's what we're talking about.
So that's stimulating the base chakra to open, etc.
But it doesn't sound like you've actually gone into that side of things, so it's not really pertinent.
No, we're more interested in bringing the sacredness back to sexuality.
Whether that be for anyone.
I think one thing that the Abrahamic religions have done is separate us from our body, taking the sacredness out of Our bodies out of sexuality, taking the sacredness out of our connection with nature.
You know, the body is sort of an evil thing, you know, to be ashamed of.
And, you know, that's sort of the opposite of sacred feminine.
You know, sexuality and sex and our bodies and our, you know, our cycles, our sacred blood, that's all something to be revered and considered sacred.
Okay.
Someone wants to ask here about Mary.
I'm not sure which Mary they're talking, whether Mary Magdalene or they're going Mary, Jesus' mother.
So do you have any, in terms of things you've investigated, anything to say about that?
Yeah.
I mean, we actually consider Mary, Jesus' mother, a goddess as we consider Mary Magdalene a goddess.
It's unfortunate that in Abrahamic religions, they've only allowed women to have Mary, Jesus' mother, in this very benign, passive role that they would teach us about her.
But I actually have some thoughts on Mary.
You know, children learn at their mother's knee.
And I like to think of Mary as maybe one of the, you know, an early social justice activist, quite frankly, that maybe, you know, they lived under the yoke of Rome's oppression.
And maybe Jesus learned a lot at her knee about oppression, about exploitation.
And I don't think she, you know, or maybe it's just that we are really rehabilitating her Just like we are rehabilitating Mary Magdalene and her story.
Because, you know, when I was a young woman, you know, we only heard about Mary Magdalene as the repentant prostitute.
But now, I'd say in the last 10 years, her whole persona has been rehabilitated, and no one even thinks about the repentant prostitute.
They think about Jesus' partner, he and her as the divine couple, and You know, the sacred feminine and divine masculine together in partnership.
So, you know, I think we are retelling the stories of both of the Marys, and I think that's an important thing to do.
Okay, fair enough.
In terms of bloodlines, and also I want to ask you, you use these words, ordained as a minister.
What do you refer to yourself in that way?
Are you harking back to the rituals of the Catholic Church or some other sort of form?
Well, you know, I guess you would call me a pagan because I am not part of, you know, any of the Abrahamic religions.
And, you know, there are many definitions, you know, but pagan was A term that was used in Christianity to refer to people who were not of the Abrahamic faith.
So, you know, pagan is kind of a catch-all label, if you will.
And, you know, there are clergy within our ranks.
You know, I consider myself a priestess.
I'm an ordained minister.
I can marry.
I can bury.
I can do all the things that A Catholic priest or a rabbi can do, legally.
Okay, and that is because you have, are you part of, I mean, I'm not sure of this, you know, it has to do with the choice of language, but from what I understand, if you're getting the legal system involved, then you must have filed as a religion of some sort.
Yeah, yeah.
I am part of, for lack of a better word, a church.
It's actually a temple.
That's recognized in the United States and the state of California that enables the people who are clergy under their auspices.
But there are many people like me in the United States who are ordained clergy.
Okay, and what is the church that you're a member of?
It's actually called the Temple of Isis.
Okay.
Fair enough.
In terms of the occult, when you speak of, you know, going through ritual and so on and so forth, are you really getting your rituals from other sources, from, let's say, older sources, occult information, knowledge, you know, on the positive side, you know, white witches, etc.?
You know, it's a real diverse mixed bag.
I mean, there's so much diversity about that out there.
Yes, you know, some of the stuff we do, you know, harkens back to, I hate to say ancient times, you know, because things are so different now.
You know, I mean, we don't have the same mores, the same culture.
I mean, in ancient times, you would have, you know, gone out and We've sacrificed an animal to the gods.
You know, we don't do that anymore.
But yeah, we still do a lot of the same things that they, you know, priestesses did in ancient times.
You know, we make offerings, you know, to goddess and ask her to, you know, for her grace, for her blessings, to maybe help us in endeavors.
And, you know, there probably is as many different types of priestesses As there are people, you know, you're not going to find a cookie cutter, you know, goddess spirituality priestess out there.
Because as soon as you try to define exactly what it is, you will have 100 people come up and say, no, that's not me.
So it's, you know, there's just a lot of diversity out there.
So it's difficult to really speak in generalities.
Sure, but in this case, we're kind of, you know, interviewing you.
So what I'm asking in terms of, you know, because people in my audience are familiar with the occult, many of them, and they're certainly aware of magic and the various sort of permutations of what that means and how it's used and certainly understand goddess energy, etc.
Are you referring to yourself In terms of, you know, the pagan practices, are you harking back to, are you going, you know, is your goddess, is your personification of the goddess energy, is this Gaia, or does it go beyond the earth?
Are you looking, you know, to what in essence you think of as, if somebody said God, is God and goddess equally what you're looking at?
Yeah.
Some people want to call it the creator, some people want to say the force.
You know, in going up the levels, you say you don't kind of, it sounds like you don't kind of go along the lines of other races of beings and other planets, but certainly then you're dealing with spirits from other dimensions.
You might acknowledge that.
Well, you've asked a lot of different things there.
Take your pick.
I'll try my best to try to address as many as I remember.
First of all, I honestly think that the creator Whatever that is.
I mean, and you're asking me about the nature of the creator, creatrix.
Who knows?
You know, quite frankly.
No, I'm asking you, you know, I'm not asking you to define it for everyone in the world.
What I'm saying is how you view it.
That's where I was trying to...
Okay.
So what I was trying to say was, what I believe is probably whatever that divine source is, it actually...
is a reflection of the masculine and the feminine.
I don't think there's just a goddess up there and not a god.
I think it's probably much more of a combination of the two, if you will.
Even when I look at goddess, I look at goddess as a diamond with many facets or a tree with many leaves.
I mean you could say the same thing about God because I mean look at Jesus for instance you know Jesus was just kind of the last in the line of the dying rising gods and many you know gods you know many pagan gods before him you know had very similar stories you know so it's it's just sort of the same thing repeating over and over again and you know so that sort of I think answers you know what do I think God is and But,
you know, I don't want to put limits on it either because just because I don't study other dimensions, it doesn't mean that I don't think there's the possibility that, you know, there's other dimensions or that there are beings on other planets.
You know, I mean, that's a whole different conversation and I don't know that that necessarily overlaps or doesn't with the sacred feminine.
You know, I'm I'm very eclectic and very open-minded and I think I'm I guess I'm smart enough to know I don't have all the answers and there's still a lot of questions and things to you know to look into.
Sure, but I guess what you know this is because we have language and that you know I'm simply trying to classify these things in terms of the language we use and And I know that people listening may have questions as to what you mean when you say certain terms.
For example, if you're talking about the goddess, what goddess are you talking about?
Are you talking about Gaia?
Are you talking about God as you think of God?
In other words, can you characterize at least that term?
Sure.
Alright, so first of all, you know, Gaia is just one goddess.
Gaia comes from the Greek pantheon.
And, you know, so, and I think it's, you know, when we talk about goddess, it depends on...
Sorry, my cat is having a fit.
You know, when we talk about goddess, it depends on...
What the focus is.
Because when I go out there in the world and I talk about goddess, I talk about goddess from the standpoint of deity, archetype, and ideal.
And when we talk about goddess and deity, we can talk about many different goddesses.
You know, sometimes we divide her up and we'll talk about Hindu goddesses or Egyptian goddesses or Celtic goddesses or Polynesian goddesses or Mayan goddesses.
You know, or sometimes we just talk about the, you know, the universal one goddess.
That's what I meant before when I said, you know, she's a diamond with many facets or a tree with many leaves.
So it just, it really depends.
You know, it's not that, you know, I'm not that much of a purist, I guess.
I'm very eclectic.
I may talk about Hindu goddesses from the perspective that they've been spousified and domesticated.
Or I might talk about Egyptian goddesses because they were such great role models for women and helped women in Egypt have a better quality of life and they weren't so oppressed.
It depends on the context, I guess, is what I'm saying.
But for me personally, my personal goddess is the Egyptian goddess Isis and the Egyptian goddess Sekhmet.
If I narrow it down to who's going to be on my altar, it's going to be Isis and it's going to be Sekhmet.
But that doesn't mean that I don't think there are aspects out there of Of Bridget and Mary and Lakshmi and...
Sure.
So on the one hand, you're talking about goddess or the divine feminine, if you want to call it that.
On the other hand, you're talking about the personification into various goddesses in the so-called pantheons around the world.
It depends on the context of the work that you're doing or what the conversation is because sometimes...
You know, sometimes it requires talking about one and sometimes it requires, you know, doing ritual or talking about another.
You know, it depends on the nature of the work.
Okay.
Just, you know, trying to help people to perhaps understand what your focus is and where you're going with all of it.
So do you deal with, let's say, spirit beings, the unseen world?
On a personal level, I've had experiences.
I think I've also had very magical experiences connecting with deity, but I'm not out there doing ghost busting or channeling spirits or anything like that.
That's not my thing.
I leave that to other people.
What about, you know, the Greek, you know, I'm trying to remember what it's called, the Greek women that went into the cave that were known to be Delphi.
Have you ever gone to Delphi and sort of, do you have any thoughts about that?
Have you had any interactions with all of that?
Yeah, I have been to Delphi twice.
And I think it's very sad that Delphi started out as a sacred site of goddess that the goddess Rhea gave to her daughters, and then in patriarchal times it became a site taken over by Dionysus, I believe.
I think it was, I forget now, it was one of the male gods.
Obviously, I don't focus on the male gods very much because in this lifetime, I think it's the feminine that we need to be focused on to bring back into the world.
And that sort of answers part of your question before that I didn't get to.
I mean, it's not that I deny the importance or the existence of male deity.
I mean, my husband is interested in the Egyptian goddess Anubis.
If you looked around my house, You know, I have statues of Anubis and Toth and Osiris, Isis' partner.
But, you know, I feel like we're at a point in time that humanity needs to focus on rebirthing the feminine into the world.
You know, the masculine has had its day and, you know, we need to balance the masculine out with the feminine.
But yes, I've been to Delphi numerous times.
I think the Pythias were very powerful women who We're in touch with divine knowledge, but again, it got corrupted by the priests or their handlers because it was the people who deciphered what they said that gave the pronouncements, and we see how things can get corrupted.
You know, there was a great movie on, I think it was on Showtime a few years ago, I think that showed it very clearly.
There were two seasons of the show Rome, and it showed how, you know, politicians or the emperor could go to the priests and with the right donation could have, you know, prophecies You know, twisted in a particular way that were politically expedient.
Yeah, it sounds like the media today.
Yeah, and you know, and I think that's what ended up, you know, happening to the death side.
But those were, you know, powerful women who held life and death in their hands.
Sure.
Okay.
Sorry, my cat's just really rambunctious tonight.
So maybe he senses your cat over there because I saw your cat.
Yeah.
You know, cats are funny.
Anyway, so, well, that's great.
I mean, I appreciate you going into all of that for people here to kind of get more into your work.
And get a sense of where you're going with all of it.
Is there anything else you'd like to touch on, you know, before we close this down?
I don't see any questions coming in the chat at the moment, so any thoughts?
Well, you know, I guess I'd just like to say, you know, we covered a lot of ground, and, you know, I mean, this is a, you know, this is a, A lot of the questions you've asked aren't questions you can answer in a soundbite.
The sacred feminine is something you can study for a lifetime, just like you study the nature of God or you study your own religion.
It can take several lifetimes.
We've only really scratched the surface here.
I guess I would just say at this point, The thing that I am most interested in is helping people understand that there was a feminine face of God, there is a feminine face of God, that she was worshipped for 30 or 40,000 years.
All we have to do is look at the incredible artifacts in the wonderful museums, look at the Venus of Willendorf, look at, you know, the whole fell Venus.
I mean, you're lucky if you live over in, you know, over in Europe because you have access to these great museums that we don't have here in the United States.
And, you know, you can actually go in these places and, you know, look at these artifacts from 40,000 years ago, you know, and know that humanity was worshipping, you know, God in the female form.
And that's a powerful thing, you know, for women who've been told that they're second-class citizens.
And that, you know, God is in man's image.
I mean, it changes everything for women, I think, when they fully understand that.
So, you know, for me, it's been about birthing the feminine into the world.
And, you know, at first, when you find out about this, it's about your personal empowerment.
And I think later on, and it's the stage where I'm in right now, it's about trying to teach the world that the values of the sacred feminine are what the world needs to save itself.
And I don't think there's any more important mission right now.
Okay.
Well, very well said.
So I want to thank you so much for coming on the show.
It's been great to talk with you again.
And I think people have more of an idea about what you're pursuing and why they might be interested in reading your books, which is what we're kind of aiming at here is to really You know, widen the playing field.
Get people to think in different areas, things they haven't considered.
And certainly, I think you've helped to do that tonight.
So again, I want to thank you for coming on the show.
Any parting words?
Just, you know, thank you for the opportunity.
I totally agree with you.
I think we need to raise people's awareness.
You know, get them out of the sheeple mentality.
You know, get them, you know, to start asking questions and start being critical thinkers and not just swallow what they're told, you know, from so many of the authority figures out there who have their own agenda.
So I guess I would just like to leave your listeners with the thought, you know, as they go out into the world every day and they encounter situations and, you know, ask yourself Are you seeing respect and partnership?
Or are you seeing domination and exploitation?
And I think that sort of helps our moral compass.
Absolutely.
Help us make the better choices.
Okay.
Thank you so much, Kierens.
And, you know, let's hear from you in the future and, you know, stay in touch.
And we've got your website on my website, the link there, but do you want to just give it verbally?
Yes.
Sure, thank you.
It's my name, KarenTate.com, and I would just invite your listeners, if they're interested in my radio show, it's Voices of the Sacred Feminine on blog talk every Wednesday night, and there's 10 years of archives there, so there's lots of stuff.
Oh my gosh, okay, excellent.
All right, all right, take care, okay, and thanks for being here.
Thank you for having me.
Good night.
So thanks everyone for watching.
And I am going to be going to the UFO Congress.
That's a week from today, I guess it is.
And I will be interviewing people, possibly setting up a live booth where we can...
We can actually interview some of the passerbys and any of the speakers that are available, etc.
So that's the objective.
I will only be there on Friday and Saturday, part of Saturday, I guess it is.
I'm going to be having some other meetings in the general vicinity.
And...
As far as the Conscious Life Expo, I don't know if I'll make it over there.
I know that Jordan Maxwell is receiving an honor there, an award.
So I encourage people that are interested to stop by and see what that's about.
I guess you can go to their website and investigate further.
But I just don't know if I'll make it there this weekend or not.
Anyway, someone had asked that question, so just letting you know.
I'll be back tomorrow during the day and I'm getting an update from Michael Shrimpton.
His last name will escape me.
It's going to be great to get an update from him, maybe a little bit more.
If you saw my interview with Michael Shrimpton that I shot over the holidays, you'll know something about him.
He's a former barrister and a fascinating man.
He has been revealing the extent of the infiltration of the German secret intelligence service into what is in essence the UK intelligence services as well as the government on the highest levels, The U.S. government as well on the highest levels and the intelligence services in the United States, the Mossad and other places around the globe.
Apparently, the German DVD, as he calls it, which is an extension of the Gestapo and what was called the Abwehr, may not pronounce that correctly, is in essence still alive and well and being quite active on the world scene. is in essence still alive and well and being quite and is responsible for quite a few false flags as well.
So that's tomorrow at 1 p.m.
Pacific time.
So hope you can join me then.
All right.
Take care, everyone.
And thanks again for watching.
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