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Jan. 3, 2017 - Project Camelot
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MICHAEL SHRIMPTON : SPYHUNTER PART ONE
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Thank you.
Thank you.
And I've had a special branch visit me in the house before, wanting intelligence or complaining about some intelligence I've provided.
I've had a special branch in my home at midnight, where I used to live in Aylesbury.
And when the police officers knocked at the door, my natural instinct was to invite them in, because I work with law enforcement.
I'm a good guy.
I'm a white hat.
So, you know, my first instinct was to come in and have a cup of tea.
The German operation in London goes back to the end of World War II. A GO2 asset in the Cabinet Office had ordered my arrest, knew about the nuclear warhead, and wanted me out of the way by very indirect means with the National Security Agency.
And I got, well, by the Sunday afternoon, it was clear that whilst I had been in custody, the nuke had been smuggled out.
Deutsche Verteidigungsdienst is the German agency set up at the end of World War II. GO2 is their London operation.
All right.
So General Operations II, it's based...
In a very discreet part of MI6 headquarters at Boxall Cross.
Hi, I'm Kerry Cassidy from Project Hamlet and today I am very excited to have a very interesting guest and a really lovely man.
We're here with Michael Shrimpton.
He's the author of Spy Hunter, which is a wonderful book that I've been reading and found that he has some very interesting things to say.
In regard to history that relates to Britain, the United States, and really the rest of the world, but specifically also the relationship with a very secret organization within Germany.
And we're going to go into all of that and see what Michael has to say.
So Michael Welcome.
It's wonderful to be here with you.
Well, thank you for inviting me on to the show.
Merry Christmas to you and your viewers.
Oh, thank you very much, and to you as well.
We are here in Britain, and you are a barrister.
Suspended at the moment, not able to practice my day job, banged up in prison for something I hadn't done.
Exactly.
And we want to start off with that, actually.
And what I would like you to do is talk about How this came about, because I think it's fascinating that a government would actually put you up on charges first for warning them about a possible, you know, so-called terrorist attack or attack of any kind.
I mean, governments, one would think, would have a hotline and need people to report this sort of thing.
And especially someone of your stature, a barrister, because at the time you were, and I guess perhaps in the future you will be reinstated, I don't know.
Well, I hope to be reinstated next year.
I still have my wig.
I'm still a barrister.
I'm on interim suspension.
Yes.
But the prosecution case is falling apart and anticipate fresh appeals in the new year.
All right.
So at this moment, let's start.
With your arrest, maybe set the scene by telling you about the arrest, and I think it was shocking to you.
It was.
Because it was so outlandish.
It was completely outlandish.
When word got around the Intelligence Committee, some friends of mine, people who knew me in the Intelligence Committee, were falling about laughing.
Yes.
It was such an extraordinary cock-up.
But of course it wasn't a cock-up, it was deliberate, and it came from GO2 assets in the Cabinet Office.
People think that Britain's a functioning democracy.
We're not, Kerry.
In practice, the government is run from the Cabinet Office, and that includes quangos, it includes the judiciary, it includes the police.
Once the Cabinet Office order an arrest, then the arrest will go down.
Most chief constables report in to the Cabinet Office.
The Crown Prosecution Service, which controls criminal prosecutions in this country, does.
And...
As I said, most government ministers are just lightweights.
They're figureheads.
They don't actually run their departments.
The departments are run by the senior civil servant, who's normally called the permanent secretary.
But I absolutely was not expecting to be arrested.
In fact, I had invited the op.
When the police came round, I assume they were a special branch.
And I've had a special branch visit me in the house before, wanting intelligence or complaining about some intelligence I've provided.
I've had a special branch in my home at midnight where I used to live in Aylesbury.
And when the police officer knocked at the door, my natural instinct was to invite them in because I work with law enforcement.
I'm a good guy.
I'm a white hat.
So, you know, my first instinct was to come in and have a cup of tea.
They were a bit surprised.
They weren't normally offered cups of tea by people who were about to arrest.
And it did take, I normally pick things up pretty quickly, I'm a fairly quick study, at least I think I am, but it took me 30 seconds to grasp the fact that these idiots were serious, right?
I said, well hang on, can't possibly be serious.
And of course I said, well what are you arresting me for?
I said, oh, you rang the Ministry of Defence yesterday.
I said, well, no, the Ministry of Defence rang me.
I said, oh, we're arresting you for a bomb hoax.
They didn't tell me, in fact, initially.
They used the word malicious communication.
I thought, what's this all about?
I haven't made any malicious communications.
Eventually they said it was a bomb hoax.
I just fell about laughing in the cell.
You can't be serious.
It was absolutely ridiculous.
Of course, what had happened was that a GO2 asset in the Cabinet Office, I know who the asset was, but I can't name him or her on television, but a GO2 asset, that's GO2 is a German operation in London, goes back to the end of World War II, a GO2 asset in the Cabinet Office had ordered my arrest, knew about the nuclear warhead, and wanted me out of the way.
Whilst I was in Ellsbury Police Station, the first of the warheads was actually removed from the UK. I was released when the warhead was out of the way.
So, in essence, you were giving them correct intel.
Oh, yes.
And how did you find out that the assets or the nuclear weapon was removed?
Oh, that was...
Very quickly afterwards, I rang a CIA contact and I got confirmation...
I'd had initial confirmation.
I was arrested on the Friday, and I'd had confirmation that the MAD rang me on the Thursday.
I was arrested on the Friday afternoon about 2 o'clock.
I'd been working on my book.
I thought, ah, finally, I've got that one out of the way.
I've handed that one over.
I can carry on and catch up with my work.
I was happily working away on my book, tapping away on my computer.
The...
The previous night I'd got the first confirmation from an old-time CIA friend who flew U-2s over Cuba during the missile crisis, heavy-duty CIA. Okay.
And in the book he's referred to as Bill.
Bill was the first pilot for the, first selected pilot for the Powers flight.
He didn't want to get shot down, so he pulled out.
He'd actually trained Frank Powers.
In the CIA, Powers is always known as Frank.
Alright.
And, in fact, in the movie, Bridge of Spies, you'll see my client, because that's how I first got to know him as a client, is there, portrayed, teaching the guys about the U-2.
Oh, is he?
Okay, I see.
He was an instructor to Frank Powers.
And I rang, let's call him Bill, and I said, Bill, what's the story on this nuke?
And he said, well, it's...
The effect of the conversation was a confirmation, okay, I'm on the right lines, there is a nuke in London.
Over the weekend, I was in touch with, by very indirect means, with the National Security Agency.
And I got, well, by the Sunday afternoon, it was clear that whilst I'd been in custody, the nuke had been smuggled out by submarine.
Fascinating.
And then, of course, I briefed in Office of Naval Intelligence, ONI, Well, how is it possible?
I mean, you must, this information, did it come to you, I mean, at this point you were under, you were already, were you in prison right away?
No, I was released, I was arrested about 2.15 on a Friday afternoon and released about 1 o'clock on the Saturday morning.
The officers actually drove me home.
By that stage, the nuke had just been released.
So obviously word went down from GO2 in the Cabinet Office.
Somebody in the Cabinet Office sanctioned my release once the nuke was out of the way.
The way I picture it is that the Jerry's, as we affectionately refer to the Germans, our community partners, the Jerry's, are removing the nuke.
It goes out on a Type 21 U-boat off an old U-boat rendezvous point in the Blackwater Estuary in Essex.
The U-boat moves out, takes the weapon with it.
The U-boat is surfaced but hulled down, so only the conning tower is showing above the water.
The depth of water in the Blackwater Estuary won't permit a Type 21 to go all the way up submerged.
The U-boat is transferred to the sub.
The NSA actually picked that up.
As the nuke was transferred from, we think it was an ambulance that it was being carried in, as it was transferred from What we think was the ambulance, to the U-boat.
You get a spike in radiation.
We suspect that the warhead had been, or the device had been encased in water.
It's a very good means of absorbing radiation.
Water is a good radiation shield.
But in order to get it through the loading hatch of a Type 21 U-boat, you had to remove the water bath.
What you have is a water bath.
You have your weapon, it has a casing, then you have an outer casing, and between the weapon casing and the outer casing, you fill with water.
That's quite a good absorber of radiation.
But the water bath and the outer casing, too big to go through the loading hatch of a Type 21, So the casing comes off.
That then gives you a radiation spike.
And that's then picked up by an American satellite.
So an American bird is not far away.
Picks up a radiation spike.
Plutonium.
What's that doing there?
Very interesting.
The NSA weren't expecting plutonium in the Blackwater estuary.
Well, you know, this is interesting.
I mean, it's almost like, you know, a movie.
Yeah, and look, this would be a great movie.
And so the question is, if the American satellite picked it up, There's also the conversations you were having, right?
Yes.
On your phone.
Now, do you have special security, you know, where your phone is not, they can't tap your phone?
Tap your house, et cetera, et cetera.
Because the surveillance is pretty pervasive, especially here in England.
Yes.
GCHQ will automatically record any phone call that I make.
Any phone call, any digital system.
And myself as well.
Exactly, yeah.
So I'm used to that.
But of course, the good guys, being a white hat, the good guys also look after my phone lines.
Sure.
So if there's a tap on the phones and it shouldn't be there, then I will get a warning.
My phones have always been looked after.
Ah.
Well, they have since I got involved in the world of spies and spooks.
Right.
And, well, we want to get back into all that as well.
I used to have my house checked too.
But it's fairly expensive.
It would cost about £1,000 a time to get the house completely electronically swept.
Right.
Except that, you know, I have whistleblowers that tell me about the state of surveillance now.
Yes.
Which is far beyond what Edward Snowden is talking about.
Yes.
I mean, it's fairly extensive, yes.
Yeah, so basically we're talking, you know, A certain kind of physics and, you know, they're using and there's also the AI and all of this.
Any phone call I make on the digital system is going to be recorded.
Right.
And it'll do it from within about five, ten seconds of the call because whether I give my name or not, the voice print will pick up.
But that works in my favor.
It worked in my favor in my case because when the jury were being tampered with and when the G02 acid on the jury We're telling the jury about the fitting me up over the indecent images.
Of course he referred to my name and that immediately meant that the calls were picked up.
Right.
Because my name's a keyword.
Michael Shrimpton combined are keywords.
So any conversation with my name in it is going to be recorded automatically.
99% of them may be totally boring conversations and they may not even relate to this particular Michael Shrimpton.
There is a more distinguished Michael Shrimpton who used to play cricket for New Zealand.
With a far better cover drive than mine.
Well, I'm sure they know the difference.
But at any rate, so the bottom line is that they were arresting you because even though there's proof...
That there was indeed a threat.
Yes.
And it was put in place, you're saying, by, you call it GA2? It's GO2, General Operations 2.
The whole thing was done in bad faith.
GO2 knew about the warhead.
GO2 wanted to be out of the way while the warhead was being exfiltrated from the UK. They didn't want a live nuclear warhead.
In other words, who set the warhead?
If it wasn't the G-O-2?
German DVD. Okay.
So it's Deutsche Vertreidegungsdienst, who I write about in...
That's the main topic of research in Spy Hunter.
Deutsche Vertreidegungsdienst is the German agency set up at the end of World War II. G-O-2 is their London operation.
All right.
So General Operations II, it's based in a very discreet part of MI6 headquarters of Boxall Cross.
So, I mean, the interesting thing here is, and that people need to realize, is that you're actually saying that MI5 is infiltrated.
Yes.
MI6 is infiltrated.
Absolutely.
GCHQ. Absolutely.
And...
Basically, also, this goes for America as well.
You're saying the highest levels of the British government are in on it.
And I would also say that you may have some good assets that back you up with these phone calls telling you the status.
But at the same time, in America, you could have some people working against you because we believe there are...
Well, in essence, I mean, you know who Jim Mars is.
He talks about the Fourth Reich, and he's written about it.
Yes, I've read some.
He writes very well.
Yes.
And his books are very highly regarded.
So, you know, in essence, we have very...
Extensive infiltration in America.
Absolutely.
If you think about it, well, as I explain in Spy Hunter, in the 1950s, it's easier to talk on the media about dead German spies.
Five German spies gets you into trouble with the libel courts.
But in the 1950s, the president reported to the DVD, that was Dwight Eisenhower, the head of the CIA... That's quite an interesting statement.
Yes.
Well, Eisenhower was a German spy.
Eisenhower was a German name.
He was a German-American.
I hear you.
Eisenhower reported to the Germans, and so did Alan Walsh Dulles, director of the CIA. The Dulles Brothers.
The Dulles Brothers.
Which is very, very important, because, of course, he ran the CIA for many, many years.
Indeed he did.
And there's been a recent book called The Devil's Chessboard, which...
Have you read it?
I haven't, no.
Yeah.
David Talbot, I think, is the author.
Yes, I know the name.
And it basically claims that Dulles was the mastermind behind the Kennedy assassination.
Well, you're right.
He was one of the people, at least.
Absolutely.
Now, there are other people that claim that Johnson was sort of the henchman, but I believe that he would be a bit lower on the totem board.
Well, Johnson was in on it.
Bill was in on the real CIA investigation.
There were two investigations into Kennedy.
Your friend.
My YouTube pilot friend, yeah.
There were two investigations into Kennedy.
the joke investigation, which was the Warren Commission, which was controlled by the DVD.
They had blackmail material on Chief Justice Warren.
Dallas actually sat on that commission.
And so did a couple of other German assets or people close to the Germans.
Gerald Ford, for example, was one.
That commission was a complete joke.
The idea that Harvey Oswald shot President Kennedy is just a farce.
But the real investigation was run by the CIA out of Dallas.
And I think that's when the CIA set up their operation in Dallas.
Right.
Set up specifically in response to the assassination.
And Bill was involved in that, and so was Mr.
T, another CIA officer referred to in the book.
And it is said that, I mean, you know, the CIA is involved, the FBI was involved.
I mean, in other words, there's...
Yes, but I think the important thing is to remember that the CIA and FBI involved with the false flags.
It's a German operation.
Kennedy is taken out for strategic reasons by German assets inside CIA and FBI. At that stage, the Germans had lost control of the CIA. Kennedy appoints John McCone to be a director of the CIA. John McCone, interesting man, good American, patriot.
McCone had investigated the assassination of JFK's brother, Joe Jr.
Joe Jr.
was murdered by the Germans in World War II, probably with the sanction of his father.
Really?
Almost certainly with the sanction of his father.
My theory is that Joe had found out about his father working with the Germans.
We know Joe Kennedy Sr., the ambassador, was working for the Germans.
We used that to help us win the Battle of Britain.
Kennedy Sr.
is working for the Germans.
It looks as though Joe Kennedy Jr.
found out about his father working for the Germans.
But whether that's right or not, it's clear that the Germans arranged for him to be assassinated, and he was murdered flying a US Navy liberator.
I know the US Navy didn't call it the Liberator, but he was murdered whilst flying a consolidated Liberator bomber, packed with high explosive.
The theory was that he and the co-pilot were going to bail out.
There was a chase plane.
It looks as though the explosives were actually activated from the chase plane.
As soon as they're armed, the Liberator blows up, and obviously the crew don't get out.
So when you get this kind of information, are you getting it from...
One assumes this person, Bill, is highly placed.
And this is not his real name.
No, I've disguised him.
And he's still operational?
Still alive.
Still alive?
Yeah, still alive.
You don't retire.
Yeah.
You only retire...
To retire from the Intelligence Committee, you have to be one of two things, dead or gaga.
Yeah.
When you're dead, then you finally retire.
If you're gaga, your mind is completely gone and you become a liberal, then that's the end of it.
But no, Bill is still...
Very much with us.
Okay, very good.
And if he's listening to this, I apologize, I didn't send him a Christmas card this year.
Normally I do.
I'm afraid he dropped off the Christmas card list this year.
So you were arrested.
I'm going to go back to this story and we can circle back around.
I'm happy to talk about it.
If people are guilty and they go to prison, they're often a bit reluctant to talk about it.
But I was innocent, so I'm more than happy to talk about it.
Well, yeah.
But you're also your own lawyer.
Isn't that the case?
Yes, I represented myself.
Yes.
Now, you lost the case.
Yes, I was sent to prison.
And how long were you in prison?
I was in prison six months.
Six months?
Yeah.
Okay.
And I heard you on another show say you're going to write a book about that experience.
Yes, I've already written about it on my column for Veterans Today.
There was a slight, one or two slight complications.
One is that one of my cellmates was a gay serial, I'm gay, and one of my cellmates was a gay serial killer called Stephen Port.
Oh, God.
That's scary, isn't it?
Yeah, a little bit.
He's quite nice, he's the nicest serial killer I've ever met.
Oh, no.
But his trial has only just concluded.
He's now serving a whole life tariff for the murders of four young gay men, and I think up to 15 other deaths are being investigated.
Wasn't that a bit, you know, that sort of like loading the deck by putting you in a cell with somebody who's going to kill you?
It's a little bit unusual that I'm gay and I end up in a cell with a gay serial killer and I'm not told that he's in prison.
He was in prison initially for perverting the course of justice in relation to concealing the body of one of his victims.
Not for murdering him, but...
No, no, no.
No, he was in an open prison.
He was in an open wing.
He was let out early.
He actually murdered...
The fourth victim was murdered whilst he was on probation.
Right.
He was let out early.
He was on attack.
The whole satanic...
Exactly.
I couldn't write about...
It was a bit silly writing about my experiences in prison without mentioning that I was a cellmate of Stephen Port.
And his trial was only just finished.
So that was one reason I couldn't...
Right about it.
And I decided that...
But it is...
I mean, you're even going on...
I mean, this is a live recording.
Yes.
And we'll put this over the...
Oh, yeah, I can talk about it freely now.
Now it's okay.
Now it's okay.
He's being convicted, you see.
I didn't want to say anything about my prejudices trial.
Yes.
In fact, there was a possible...
There was just an outside chance I might have been a witness for the prosecution.
Just an outside chance.
I was interviewed by detectives from the Homicide Squad.
I'm happy to help, but I told them...
Was that before you went into prison?
Oh, no.
This was after I was released.
I mean, most intelligent policemen.
There aren't that many.
A character witness, as it were.
No.
The prosecution were interested to know whether he'd admitted to me whilst we were sharing a cell.
I think they spoke to all his cellmates.
Sometimes a prisoner will admit to a fellow prisoner that they committed a crime.
Had he done so, then I would have assisted the prosecution, but he didn't.
Okay.
But to get back, so you're there for six months, they throw you in jail, and the reason, what was the official charge?
The official charge was a bomb hoax.
A bomb hoax.
A bomb hoax, yes.
And this nuclear weapon that somehow found its way to London?
Yes.
This was during the ceremony of the Olympics?
The original intelligence came from Moscow.
Okay.
The warhead is a Russian warhead.
There are two.
They are both...
Are these suitcase nukes, or how big are they?
They're fairly small because they come off...
Their warheads are off a Russian cruise missile.
They're off an SSN-19 Granite cruise missile, and that is a fairly compact cruise missile.
It's got a plutonium-cored warhead.
Well, can you show us with your hands how big?
Oh, shh!
You couldn't really get it into a suitcase, but you might...
I suppose with a bit of manoeuvring, you might just get it into an overhead locker on an aircraft.
I mean, they're not very light.
If you think about it, the cruise missiles were designed to be fired from ships and submarines.
So the loading hatch, if you think about it, the loading hatch is only 21 inches.
I think from memory it's a 533mm loading hatch.
Or a 533mm exterior hatch on the Kursk, which was the submarine from which they were stolen in 2000.
So they were stolen from a submarine.
Yes.
They made their way, what was it, to London, from where?
Well, piecing it together as best we can, four Russian nuclear warheads are stolen from the Russian submarine Kursk, which is sabotaged, sinks in the Barents Sea.
The Germans mount a very clever underwater operation and the nukes are removed underwater.
I now have an expert, John Large, who was assisting in the recovery of the Kursk for the Russian Navy and confirms there were very special precautions taken in respect of Obviously nuclear warheads.
The submarine was obviously carrying nuclear warheads, and the Russian Navy weren't on top of the submarine all of the time.
There was a guard ship most of the time, but it had to pull back to refuel, and the escorts had to refuel, and there was bad weather.
It was the Barents Sea.
There were windows of opportunity for the Germans to remove the warheads from the sub.
It was sunk deliberately in shallow water to permit recovery of the warheads.
That's 2000.
Germany is now a nuclear-armed power.
You guys understand this.
We understand this.
You guys set up a crash program, which I believe is sanctioned by President Bush, to develop new methods of tracking nuclear warheads, new active warheads.
Sensors, active radiation sensors able to track nuclear warheads in and out of cities.
It was perfectly clear the German intent from 2000 was to use these warheads against Western cities.
That was the fear.
And I only found out about that crash program after my...
I found out just before my arrest from an air marshal friend of mine who used to be Director General of Intelligence.
He hinted that we had new sensors that were able to detect warheads that were protected by shielding.
Okay, but this warhead, just to follow, you know, so that people can get confused and can follow this trail.
As I am trying to do.
Basically, the warhead went then from Germany to the Olympics?
Yes.
And you knew about this?
Because I know that at some point your intel came from Ben Fulford, among others.
Exactly.
Now, I knew about the four warheads on the Kursk.
So I knew we had four missing SSN-19 warheads with a nominal yield of 500 kilotons.
And I knew they were hydrogen bombs, so I knew they were fusion weapons, very powerful, at least very powerful nominally.
I didn't know until I consulted nuclear experts after my arrest, I didn't know that the warhead yield had deteriorated quite significantly.
But that was the nominal yield, half a megaton.
So we're talking serious large nuclear warheads.
I knew they'd gone missing.
I knew the Kursk had been sabotaged.
I knew the DVD had done the sabotage.
I knew the DVD were in control of them.
It's unclear where they were between 2000 and 2012, but the thinking is that they were in Germany.
The thinking is they were serviced in Germany, made operational.
Two were smuggled into the UK. They probably came in on submarines.
I initially thought the warhead that I was told about had come in on a Type 21.
I now believe it was a Type 23 coastal submarine and it may have come in actually up the Thames on a dark night.
Would this be a German submarine?
Absolutely.
As I explained, the Germans have a submarine fleet that was left over in World War II. There are missing German U-boats.
And these are the Electro-boats, the Type 21s, long-range air conditions, specifically designed for transporting cargoes and people, not designed as combat submarines.
Right.
There was a smaller class known as the Type 23, which were designed for ball-bearing traffic from Sweden, but ideally suited to a smuggling nuclear warheads around.
We know the subs came out of the old Valentine underground base near Bremerhaven, and the Jerrys were very clever.
With a covert submarine pen, you designed it so that the submarine isn't going out on the surface.
It's not like Holy Lock where everybody can see the submarine going down out to the sea.
The way the Jerry's do it is that the submarine leaves dock underwater.
So a satellite doesn't catch the submarine going in and out of the base.
It's not on the surface.
We don't know quite when the warheads were smuggled in.
It seems to have been some months prior to Ben Fulford being told about it by the Russians.
So let's get a timeline here.
Ben Fulford might have been told you said a few months before.
What year is this?
This is 2012.
They might have been moved in a few months before Ben was told.
The Russians tracked the warheads into England.
That's my belief.
The Russians are now tracking the German submarine fleet.
We have a covert fleet of submarines.
At one point, I know the Germans had four Type-24, Type-21s.
The Russians sank one off the coast of Norway during the Madeleine McCann case.
They were down to three.
And we're going to talk about that.
Let's not forget.
Absolutely.
They were left with, as of 2012, so far as I knew, they had three operational Type-21s.
And these have been refitted with air-independent propulsion.
So they're not using World War II engine technology anymore.
They've got modern engines.
Russians, I believe, tracked both submarines, two warheads, one I think in a Type 21, one I think in a Type 23, both are tracked into the UK by the Russian Navy, using kilo class, very quiet submarines, staying well back.
What I want to understand is not so much the technical part, but the human situation.
So you've got the Russians notifying Ben Fulford for some reason.
Correct.
Fulford then notifying somebody else.
Yes.
And are the Russians doing this in order to get intel into a certain area of Britain?
Yes.
Instead of why not go directly to...
There are several reasons for this.
The first, and this is very difficult for those outside the intelligence community to understand, but because we have German penetration, this is a German operation, and our official agencies, 5, 6, GCHQ and Defense Intelligence staff, are all penetrated by Germany.
Extraordinary.
Exactly.
The official channels of communication are compromised.
Right.
And if you get a message, let's say the Russians, the person who passed the warning to Britain is now dead, a very courageous man, a very brilliant intelligence officer called Igor Sergin, Major General Igor Sergin, then head of the Russian GRU, Military Intelligence.
Okay.
He's aware that the Russians, he's obviously aware the Russian Navy tracked these warheads into Britain.
Igor needs to get a message to London.
How does he do it?
He can't go through, for example, the MI6 header station in Moscow.
So he brings up the head of station in Moscow and invites him into a little chat.
But the intelligence then disappears and the box will cross and doesn't come out.
So there's almost no point the Russians going through MI official channels.
Those channels are compromised.
The intelligence would never reach.
That is really, I mean, these are quite substantial statements you're making.
And you make them all the time in the book.
Yes.
And I know that people think that you must be slightly mad to be saying this all the time.
And yet it makes perfect sense to me with the history that I know, which is certainly above top secret.
Yes.
But I understand where it would be something outrageous to, you know, even a British citizen.
Of course.
It's difficult for the jury to understand, difficult for those who don't understand.
Now, you have a basic understanding of the spectrum of intelligence, so...
Right.
Right.
Possibly not.
But those are the facts, and there's no point.
I also used to tell my intelligence students, intelligence is about telling truth to power.
In a democracy, the people ought to have power.
Certainly they need to know what's going on.
If you're telling intelligence to the people, don't varnish it.
Just tell it as it is.
It may be difficult for people to understand, but you try and simplify it, but you can only simplify it so much.
It's a complicated area.
Well, maybe they'll learn and be educated.
That should happen.
It's a professional hazard to be accused of being mad.
I agree.
I have the same problem.
Exactly.
If you say something that is non-mainstream, people say, oh, you're mad.
Galileo was accused of being mad because he said the earth went round the sun.
Sure.
The CPS tried that line in my trial, the Crown Prosecution Service.
They were trying to paint me as mad.
They were confused.
The CPS were always confused.
But the CPS were caught in two minds.
They were trying to portray me as bad.
At the same time, they were also trying to portray me as mad.
And in a trial, if you're the prosecution, you're effectively handing a defense to the defense.
In my case, the prosecution pleaded insanity.
My response to that was, well, I accept the prosecution are insane.
Only the defense can plead insanity, Your Honor.
It was extraordinary.
Actually, the case would make a great...
The trial would be hilarious.
Any lawyer listening to this is going to think, how can the prosecution plead insanity?
Why would the prosecution prosecute someone who they thought was mad?
Because if you're mad, insanity is a defense.
That's extraordinary.
Normally it's the defense trying to say, I'm insane.
Normally the defense are calling quack psychiatrists.
They put a standard defense tactic.
They put a quack in the box to say, the defendant was temporarily insane, Your Honor, or members of the jury.
The prosecution tried that line.
There was absolutely no evidence of insanity.
They didn't have any medical reports.
You're a working barrister.
Everything you do is documented.
I was a judge.
I was a part-time judge for 12 years.
The allegation of insanity was offensive, but also completely absurd.
There was no evidential support for it at all.
What they were saying was, we don't accept what you say.
It sounds mad, therefore you must be mad, which is completely non-secretary.
They didn't know what they were doing.
They didn't know one end of a nuclear weapon from another.
They couldn't tell the difference in a fusion warhead or a friction warhead.
Why wasn't this case even, you know, considered like a national security case of some kind?
Well, because GO2 controlled the Crown prosecution.
Because that would give you legitimacy that they didn't want you to have, assuming.
Well, GO2, the CPS reports to the Cabinet Office.
And GO2, remember, controlled the Cabinet Office.
Well, let's put it this way.
GO2 have the Cabinet Office thoroughly penetrated.
Okay, can we ask the question about Theresa May?
Yes.
Is she an asset?
Not a German asset, no.
Not a German asset.
No.
Interesting.
No, she's a white hat.
She's a bit silly.
Really?
She's not the sharpest knife in the box.
Theresa and I have never met.
She has made use of intelligence I provided her, but it's never been direct.
It's always gone through.
I can give his name because he's now dead.
And I don't think Harry ever met Theresa directly either.
One of my contacts, sadly now dead, died at age 101.
Wow.
They wouldn't let me.
He died when I was in prison.
I was very upset.
I wanted to go to his funeral.
They wouldn't let me.
Harry, and I'm talking...
You've got a last name since he is possible.
Colonel Harry Beckhoff.
All right.
Colonel Beckhoff was Bletchley Park during World War II. Ah.
He was responsible...
Do you have some statements about Bletchley Park?
Oh, yes.
Oh, yes.
Well, that'd be...
Harry was security at Bletchley Park and discovered the Germans had infiltrated Bletchley.
That is so extraordinary.
And he got the name of their agent.
The top German agent at Bletchley Park was Roy Jenkins.
They also had Cairncross.
They had several.
At least they had...
The head of M.I.C. Stuart Meese was heavily involved in Bletchley Park.
We were talking about Bletchley Park.
We will come back to that.
So we're still tracking this nuclear weapon and how the intel came in kind of a circular way.
It came in a circular way.
That's often how intel is passed from one country to another.
You don't go direct, you loop it through two or three contacts, cutouts.
In the intelligence world they're called cutouts.
I can't remember in your book whether or not you named the person who Was the go-between?
Neil Jones.
Yes, no, he's out in the open.
As a result of my arrest, the police got all my phone records.
Oh, right.
I protected Neil Jones for as long as I could.
I wouldn't...
It was obviously in my interest to say, look, it's a Bomber X allegation, I'm not working on my own, the intelligence has passed to me.
it would have given credibility to say it was passed to me by X.
But I refused to name him up until the point where they went to interview him because they'd got his details to my phone records.
They had GCHQ track my incoming phone records.
Well, it would seem, yeah, but that should have let you off the hook altogether.
Well, yeah, again, any lawyer listeners would say, hang on, this guy's charged with a bomb hoax.
A hoax is something you make up.
A hoaxer does not pass on intelligence.
He's got from somebody else.
Now, I'm saying to the Rossers, as we affectionately refer to the police in this country, I'm telling the Rossers an interview on the first afternoon of my arrest, the first evening of my arrest, when they eventually get around to interviewing me, having left me skewering the cells for six hours while this warhead is smuggled out of Britain.
And obviously they're having to put pressure on me.
All they did was annoy me, particularly when they fed me some police station lasagna.
If you're ever banged up in a police station in Britain, don't ask for the lasagna.
It's terrible.
Thank you.
So I had the worst lasagna I'd ever had, and I am pretty annoyed by the time they eventually get around to interviewing me, and I say, look, intelligence has passed to me, I pass it on, with qualifications.
I don't say this is the case, I'm saying I've been passed intelligence that it might be the case.
It needs to be verified.
Which, in essence, should let you off the hook.
Well, of course, there's no offense.
You're not saying, you know, hello, there's a bomb at such and such.
Well, of course, the problem I had, they wouldn't show me the note.
The briefing, when...
All the notes disappeared.
All the notes disappeared.
Barry Burton...
Of the Ministry of Defence, who's the private secretary to the Secretary of State for Defence, who's then Philip Hammond.
Burton rings me, takes an accurate note.
The Cabinet Office, he faxes the note to the Cabinet Office.
Which is a phone call recorded as well.
That's how the NSA, exactly.
NSA and GCHQ both get the note.
Which now is in the hands of MI5. Which is infiltrated.
Which is infiltrated, but we have been able to deal with some of the worst of the infiltration in MI5. MI5 are now helping me.
It's on the record.
It's out there in the open.
I put in a Freedom of Information Act request and stuff came back.
Okay, now Neil Jones, who is he?
What does he do?
He's a computer scientist.
He and I first met at a Eurosceptic event in Ockshot in Surrey.
And this is all out in the open.
He was a witness at my trial.
It's out in the open.
Neil and I collaborated on intelligence matters for 10 years.
Very successful.
Yes.
Now, Neil was in touch...
So in other words, he has given you intel that's proven to be correct.
Exactly.
He was in touch with Ben Fulford.
One of his sources is Ben Fulford.
He's in touch with Ben Fulford.
But he's also in touch with a number of other computer scientists.
Now, I'm not accusing Neil of doing anything unlawful, because I don't think it's unlawful anyway.
There is, in addition to the internet, which we all know about, a thing called the Dark Web.
Now, Neil is not...
I'm not saying Neil was accessing the Dark Web.
I don't think he was, in fact.
But it's perfectly clear to me that he was in touch with a slightly shadowy group of computer scientists who were patrolling the Dark Web.
The dark web is a very valuable source of intelligence.
There's a whole bunch of stuff on the dark web.
There's also a whole bunch of pornography and all sorts of stuff on the dark web.
The dark web is a valuable source of intelligence.
It's used by Al-Qaeda.
So Neil and I collaborated and one of the things we collaborated on was trying to prevent the 22-7 terrorist attacks in London and we get word that there is an intercept of a three-letter Al-Qaeda city code And we get word that a mass transit attack is going down on Thursday, July 21st.
But you gave that warning as well.
I gave that warning to Chicago PD and to the Met.
And it was ignored.
And the attack went ahead.
It was ignored, but you were correct.
I'm absolutely right.
And it was recorded.
So wasn't that prior to this arrest?
Absolutely.
It was 2005.
There you go.
So you actually are on the record, just having given good intelligence and good warnings in the past.
Indeed, and when Chicago PD rang me, the reason I passed an alert to the Americans and Chicago PD rang me on the advice of a very senior American general who had been I've previously come out of Delta Force, and if you're a general in Delta Force, you're fairly high up, because, you know, a Delta Force general had advised Chicago PD to get a hold of me.
Now, the reason Chicago were interested was because we only had a fragment.
We had two out of the three letter...
in Chicago.
So we have a fragment of a code.
This is often, intelligence is often like this.
An intercept, people think, oh, intercepts, you get the whole thing.
No, it's a bit like, the best depiction of it in a movie is that very good film Midway starring Charlton Heston.
And the brilliant intelligence officer for Admiral Nimitz, who the Germans then punished by putting him in charge of a dry dock in San Francisco, wins the Battle of the Midway for you guys by accurately predicting the Japanese attack plan.
But he's working on fragments, and there's that marvelous scene where, is it Henry Fonda playing Admiral Nimitz?
Has a go at Joe.
I'm going to have to revisit that movie.
Well, trust me, the intelligence officer of the U.S. Pacific Fleet was absolutely brilliant.
And there's that marvellous scene where, I think it's Henry Fonda, I haven't seen the film for some time, but Henry Fonda is having a go.
Joe, how much are you reading in the Japanese code?
Oh, 10%.
I comment on that in Spy Hunter because in the movie he's portrayed as a heterosexual Texan.
Most Texans are heterosexual.
He's portrayed as a heterosexual Texan with a broad Texan accent.
In fact, he was a bisexual guy from Connecticut, I think.
Which wasn't quite...
Hollywood in the 70s.
Yeah, Hollywood in the 70s couldn't quite sell a gay or a bi guy from Connecticut.
A heterosexual Texan was a much easier sell.
And it was Jay Rochefort.
And Nimitz is telling off...
Commander Rochefort in the film.
What do you mean you're only reading 10%?
It's often that way.
You're not getting all of what the bad guys are saying.
You're getting a fragment.
We had two out of three letters.
We had a fragment.
We match the fragment to Chicago and London.
So that indicated that a tag is going down, mass transit, Chicago or London.
So you've warned both.
I warned Chicago.
Chicago PD ring me.
I say, look guys, this is a fragment.
It may be London, it may be Chicago, we don't know.
This looks serious.
And it so happened that Al-Qaeda were planning an attack on Chicago and on the ELD system, the elevated railroad in Chicago, which is a very, very good system.
But we do have to clarify who Al-Qaeda really is.
Well, Al-Qaeda is a DVD spin-off.
I mean, they're controlled by the Germans.
It's a German-controlled terrorist organization.
Hello!
It's just, you know, very interesting.
Well, that's how we whacked bin Laden.
I mean, that's how we got bin Laden whacked.
Well...
By his own side.
There's a deal done.
He died, though, many years before the acquisition.
Oh, he was whacked in 2009.
We had the two-letter fragment.
Al-Qaeda had a reconnaissance cell in Chicago, and they were looking at vulnerable points of the L system.
So Chicago were very pleased.
Okay, great.
We've got Al-Qaeda on the ground.
And they prevented the attack.
They were professional.
Chicago PD were very good.
The commissioner of police was very good.
And I commend Chicago PD because they've never dealt with me before.
I don't normally deal with Chicago.
And they were intelligent.
They were professional.
They were good.
They didn't leap on the intelligence and immediately shut down the L. I wasn't saying that.
I said, look, let's check it out, which is what I was saying to MAD about the nuclear war.
Let's check the intelligence.
But then you also told London at that point.
Yeah, absolutely.
Who was the contact?
Special Branch.
Special Branch came to my house at midnight.
Okay.
A guy from Special Branch came up in a steaming foul mood.
I think he had plans to arrest me.
What is it with Brits?
Don't they want intelligence?
Well, the Rosses in Britain are fit.
This is the trouble.
Our Rosses are not very bright.
This Special Branch guy is not very bright.
There was a senior Met official, a senior Metropolitan Police officer, who was visiting Chicago.
He hears Michael Shrimpton's name mentioned in the Chicago control room, probably from the Commissioner of Police.
He doesn't know it'd be from Adam.
He'll know what the hell is going on.
Special branch charge up the A41, hammer on my door at midnight, and the guy calmed down as soon as he was in the house.
A, because it's midnight, I'm working a terrorist attack, and I'm trying to get to the bottom of what's going on here.
It's midnight, I'm still working, I'm fully dressed.
Midnight, come in, cup of tea, your special branch, have a cup of tea.
The desk is covered with maps, papers, you know, You name it.
And immediately he realized, oh, hang on.
Whatever you've been told about me, he realized I've just been fed a whole crock about this guy.
This is, you know, this is obviously a serious individual.
My old house had prints on the walls signed by VCs and Marshals of the Royal Air Force, and there was a print there signed by Palmer Harris.
The two prints signed by Bob Harris.
And he's looking at these, and he's looking at a picture of an aeroplane and saying, what's that aeroplane?
It's the one I used to fly.
You know, the one I did my first solo.
And I probably had a thousand books about intelligence and journals.
The whole of my lounge was a library.
I would have loved to see that.
Oh, there would have been journals of intelligence just literally stacked.
They didn't have the shelf space.
No, when I lost the house, I was turned over financially, I lost the house, and I had to break up my library, which is really upsetting, because I'd spent years putting together this library.
I had over a thousand volumes in the house, mostly military and intelligence.
And journals, you know, I'd be...
I was an intelligence specialist, and I would have stacks of journals just piled high, and he could see all these, and then, oh, okay, this guy's not...
Right.
He's not your average...
He's not your average...
Barrister?
Not your average barrister, no, exactly.
And he calmed down, and I think he did say to the Met, look, this intelligence should be taken seriously.
Unfortunately, he wasn't listened to.
The Met ignored it, and the attack went ahead.
Well, that was the plan, wasn't it?
That was the plan, yeah.
So we're talking a false flag, again, carried out by what you would consider to be DVD assets.
Oh, G02. G02 is part of the DVD, so G02, yes.
Absolutely.
The British part.
Exactly.
Coming back to Ben Fulford and your earlier question, which I haven't ignored.
Thank you.
How does intelligence reach me?
Well, Igor Sergin in Moscow, use the American pronunciation, Igor Sergin in what we say in Moscow, you say Moscow.
We say tomato, you say tomato.
In Moscow, Igor's got this intelligence.
He knows, uh-oh, the Brits are in trouble.
Two of our warheads have ended up in London.
We don't want...
He was generally concerned about loss of life and he was friendly towards Britain.
He didn't want a nuclear warhead being detonated in London to start with.
He's a good guy.
He's a white hat.
So that's good.
But also he was a professional intelligence officer and he realised we particularly don't want a Russian nuclear warhead detonating in London because the plutonium will be Russian.
Plutonium gives off a signature.
Very bad PR. So the next thing we have is Trident missiles landing on Moscow.
So Igor got the message to Ben, but the Russians knew that I was working with Neil Jones, and they knew that Neil was in touch with Ben.
So Igor, I think, correctly calculated, if I spin this via Tokyo, A, my fingerprints are not on the intelligence.
This is coming from Tokyo, not Moscow.
B, it will reach...
London, because it will reach Michael if I go through Ben, and see it protects the intermediaries in the middle.
You know, there's a chain of cutouts.
So we have a chain of cutouts.
Ben has now gone public.
He had a source called Romanov.
Romanov's a code name.
Okay.
Romanov is close to GRU. So Igor tells Romanov, there's probably another agent between Igor and Romanov.
Well, there would have been.
Igor's the director.
So one of Igor's boys briefs in Romanov.
We believe that briefing was actually carried out in Belgrade.
So I think the intelligence goes, Moscow looped to Tokyo through Belgrade and looped to Michael via Neil Jones and Kent.
Okay, but one question.
Did Fulford testify at your trial or was he asked to?
He was asked to.
He was going to testify.
I had arranged or I was arranging for a video link.
Now normally in an English trial, the overseas witness gives evidence via video link.
You don't have to pay for the airfare.
The judge, Judge McReth, refused my application.
On the morning of the trial, and I've been pushing for a video link for...
You're kidding?
I'd raised it months in advance.
I said, look, the witnesses in Tokyo, we need to have a video link.
He would seem to be a primary.
Make the application on the morning of the trial.
Well, OK, it's a straightforward application.
There shouldn't be any problem with this.
So I make the application first morning of the trial.
May I please you, my lord, I have a witness, Ben Fulford.
He's critical to the defence.
He is the one who channels the intelligence to Mr Jones, who is a prosecution witness.
Neil Jones is dropped by the prosecution on the morning of the trial to prevent me from properly taking a witness statement from him.
Causing me tactical difficulties.
A really nasty, dirty trick, which I'm still annoyed about.
The prosecution called Neil Jones as a witness with no intention ever of calling him.
He's only on the prosecution witness list to stop me talking to him.
Oh.
Yeah, it's a nasty little trick.
Dirty, difficult trick.
Have you since talked to him?
Oh, yeah.
But the trouble is I had to try and get a statement taken from him in the middle of the trial.
Very difficult.
My hands are full.
I'm representing myself.
So they didn't admit...
Ben Fulford's testimony?
No, absolutely not.
The judge said, no, you can't call my video.
Why?
Well, they didn't give me reasons.
That's extraordinary.
I gave a couple of respect to the judge.
He gave a couple of pretty weak reasons with respect.
But still, I mean, the defence can't have their primary witness.
He's a star witness, yes.
It's not like he was inaccessible.
That's right.
Now, at that stage, money was starting to be a problem because I had various restrictions placed on my practice.
A, a huge amount of time was taken up with this nonsense.
Also, I'd been prevented from building up my practice, so my income was...
So this all happened, did it happen in 2012?
The trial was due to 2014.
The rest was due to 2012.
It took until November 2014 for the trial to go ahead.
They had to time the trial for when they had a G02 asset on the jury.
The trial was put back eight months to allow the jury to be tampered with.
They weren't happy with the first jury.
One of the jurors came up to me after the case was adjourned and knew of me and thanked me for my work.
It was obviously a problem with the first jury.
So the trial is postponed to the prosecution's amazement for eight months.
It was postponed to a time when they had one of their guys on the jury panel.
The Fulford...
Okay, go ahead.
I don't have a lot of cash at that stage.
I don't have enough money to put up a plane ticket for Ben Fulford, but I have a number of contacts.
One of them in New York immediately arranged for a bank of half a million air miles to be placed at my disposal.
Now, viewers may say, well, half a million air miles, that won't take you very far.
Oh, yes, it will.
That was just perfect.
You know, I was flying witnesses in from all over the world.
All my applications for video link were refused.
I had to fly in a witness from Jerusalem.
The distinguished Israeli historian, Dr.
Robert Kaplan, who writes the foreword for Spy Hunter.
I had to fly Robert in from Jerusalem, I had to fly Ben from Tokyo, and I wanted to fly them first class if I could.
So I organized first class ticket on Virgin, upper class, from out of Narita into Heathrow.
That's organized on Friday.
This is actually caught by camera because a documentary maker wants to make a documentary about this trial.
He's at my home on a Sunday interviewing me.
I'm seeing...
You'll see me on camera...
When that documentary is eventually aired, if it is ever aired, you'll see me on camera checking my emails Sunday morning.
I get confirmation from Ben.
I'm booked on the flight.
I'm out of Narita tomorrow.
I'm arriving...
Tuesday morning, London, and I need a hotel.
And I'm thinking, great.
So I'm sorting out a hotel for Ben.
Outstanding.
And the viewers will be able to see when this footage is eventually released.
I'm delighted.
This is my key man.
I've been arranging at very short notice with no money and had to arrange to fly Ben from Tokyo to London.
So I pulled the stops out.
I'm thinking, hooray, we got him on the flight.
I wasn't sure there were going to be seats available.
So I've got him on upper class.
On air miles, short notice.
And I'm thinking, great, thank you, Virgin.
And half an hour later, I read the email.
The email had been sent Saturday night.
I'm checking it Sunday morning.
Half an hour later, email comes in from Ben.
Sorry, the Japanese government have arranged a tax audit over the weekend after the flight was confirmed.
I can't leave Japan.
So, the Japanese government pulled my key witness.
Were they working with the Germans?
No, they were working with the Germans and probably got a request from London.
Probably came from the Foreign Office in London.
Anyway, whether it came from the Foreign Office in London, the British ambassador in Tokyo, MI6 certification, probably MI6 certification in Tokyo, somebody yanks my key witness.
Now, he is now on the record, he's given a sworn statement, and that is with the Criminal Gases Review Commission.
Which puts my whole Bob Oates conviction into play.
Well, and, you know, for the record, Ben Fulford is...
I've interviewed him.
Yes.
Actually, a couple times.
I didn't know that.
Yes.
And, in fact, I'm one of the few people who has flown to Japan, interviewed him in person.
Oh, well done.
Yeah.
I might be the only one, for all I know.
But he's a former Forbes journalist.
I know.
So, you know, he has quite a...
A substantial background and he is respected in those terms.
I didn't know that you had met Ben and interviewed him.
He's good people.
Yes.
Now he is fed...
He is, however, to some degree, you know, under the hand of the triad or, you know...
Well, it's the White Dragon Society, and the Blackhats are feeding Ben...
Somebody is feeding Ben some false intel.
Yes.
It's a standard method of discrediting people.
Right.
Somebody is feeding Ben false intel about trials and what have you...
Well, I mean, he clearly says on my interview, because this was fairly recent after he kind of went public about being threatened by the Oriental secret societies...
And, in essence, kind of forced to come to heel with regard to their agenda.
So, you know...
In other words, there is, you know...
He's been put under pressure, and also there is somebody close to him who is feeding him rubbish.
Like, for example, Hillary Clinton is going to be put on trial in January.
She's not going to be put on trial in January.
Hillary's under close arrest.
He said that over the weekend.
Hillary Clinton is not under close arrest.
She's not under house arrest, nor is Bush senior.
No, I mean, I know that he's been getting false intel.
He also gets some good pieces here every now and then.
Well, exactly.
And this is, he's not, he warned about Fukushima.
Right.
So you can't, you know, this is the only man on the planet.
That's interesting though, because since Fukushima has happened, he's in complete denial as to the fallout.
Yeah, I'm not going to criticize Ben.
It's not his fault he's been fed false information.
It goes to his credit.
People try and feed me false stuff.
And me.
I'm always on the lookout for Duff Gen.
You know, I'm always suspicious of Duff Gen.
Well, it's a liability of being in this business.
It's a standard tactic.
It's an absolute standard tactic.
So, Ben can't give evidence to my trial.
I sink without trace.
The jury are nobbled.
And I'm sent down for 12 months.
Okay, but you got out in six?
Well, yes, it's standard in England.
You get six months' remission.
That's automatic, yeah.
You serve half your time.
So, from what time was this that you were actually in jail?
The sentence was put back.
The CPS was still trying to portray me as mad.
I retaliated by joining Mensa.
I said, well, if you're going to accuse me of being mentally ill, I'm going to take an IQ test and join Mensa.
They actually got the judge to appoint a psychiatrist.
There was a huge delay.
They were obviously trying to find a tame quack somewhere.
They couldn't find one.
They ended up with an honest psychiatrist.
They're honest psychiatrists.
And her starting point for my IQ and interview was 185.
Well, the CIA are about two points above you, I think, so, you know, well done.
When you work with intelligence agencies, they do psychological profiles.
They don't want to, are you gay?
Are you vulnerable to blackmail?
Do you have any particular perversions that they can exploit or the bad guys can exploit?
Your alcohol consumption, are you on drugs?
I mean, I had Mossad at a doctor sat next to me on a flight to Boston once measuring my alcohol consumption.
Really?
And I realized what he was doing.
He was obviously reporting to Mossad.
He's a nice guy.
He'd been looking after Ariel Sharon, the Israeli Prime Minister who I knew had snuffed it on the operating table.
He was a bit shocked I knew that Ariel had snuffed it.
We were having a conversation about Ariel Sharon.
I'm thinking, okay, this guy's clearly Mossad.
He's clearly one of Mossad's tame quacks.
I was on American Airlines, and there was a lovely...
American Airlines had the most lovely...
Flight attendants.
I don't mean young and pretty, they're all good looking, but they have very experienced flight attendants who've been around and are really nice people.
This lovely flight attendant came around with a lunch order and I'm in business class and there was no first class on the plane so I'm in business.
At the front of the plane, Mossad sitting next to me, we're in seats 2AMB or whatever, and she says, will you have any to drink?
I said, oh yeah, this guy's got to check my alcohol consumptions, I'm going to boost it.
I said, I'm going to have a brandy and a port.
Normally I only have a port, but I'm going to have a brandy and a port and I'll have a bit of extra glass of wine.
Then I turned to him and said, make a note of this.
He realized he'd been spotted.
So you get assessed.
You get profiled.
So my IQ is something intelligence agents want to know about.
The CIA's estimate is probably 187.
The doctor thought it was 185.
It's up there somewhere.
It's good.
It's fairly high, yeah.
So at this point, though, let's kind of go down the road a little bit further.
You've got...
You've got the DVD, you cover the DVD, and you cover the fact that they're basically all through the history.
Yes.
Starting with what year?
Well, the DVD takes over from the Abwehr and the Gestapo.
Everybody's heard about the Gestapo.
Not everybody's heard about the Abwehr, but most people have.
It's fairly well known.
The director of the Abwehr is Admiral Wilhelm Canaris.
Canaris takes over, sets up the DVD. The DVD is when German intelligence realized we're losing this war, they are planning for the post-war.
So what they do is they merge the Gestapo and the Abwehr and military intelligence and the SS into a new intelligence agency.
Not the uniformed SS, but the Sicherheitsdienst.
Which was largely controlled by the ABVIR. Many of the SDE did not report to Heinrich Himmler.
All the sabotage specialists like Standart and Fuhrer, Otto Skorzeny, they go into the new agency.
So Canaris is there.
He's thinking, we're losing this war.
We've got an idiot in charge.
We're going to lose.
We're in a two-front war.
He realized as early as 1941 that Germany couldn't win.
And he is planning for the post-war.
He wants to carry on controlling London, Moscow, and Stalin reports to Canaris.
He's got Eisenhower.
He's got the Dulles brothers.
He's got Macmillan and Roy Jenkins and Ted Heath, and a whole bunch of He's got the governor of the Bank of England, he's got the Federal Reserve Chairman, he's got a whole bunch of people.
He does not want to lose control in Moscow, London and Washington.
He doesn't want to break up his intelligence networks, so they have to go into a new agency.
And he bases it down in the American sector.
Now he cuts some sort of deal.
It looks as though he agreed to supply some enriched uranium to you guys as part of a deal whereby the DVD could operate out in the American sector.
Because the DVD is headquartered in the American sector.
There is a deal.
Yeah, there's a deal.
A U-boat turns up with some mutual aid.
But also, well, I know at least after the war that Dulles was very active in Germany.
Oh, very?
Yeah.
Well, he was active in Germany before the war.
He was on the board of an IG Farben subsidiary in New York.
He regularly visited Switzerland and Germany.
But basically kind of continuing business as usual with a lot of German assets and all that.
Well, Dulles knew Canaris personally.
I mean, both Dallas brothers knew Canaris.
They were both working for him.
In World War II, they were trying to carve up a separate peace deal The decision to form the DVD was taken after the collapse of the peace deal.
Canaris probably starts planning in 1941.
He tries to get a separate peace deal underway using John Foster Dulles as an intermediary.
That fails, and then he realises, no peace, we're going to lose, definitely we're going to lose, and we need to start the post-war planning.
The actual setting up of the agency starts in the fall of 1943.
What about the Nuremberg trials?
Oh, no, it was a joke.
Oh, okay.
Explain to me why.
Well, they're fast in several ways.
Firstly, people put on trial who should never be put on trial.
Because...
Oh, they were just officers.
They were doing their job.
I mean, they were military officers.
They were under orders.
They were under orders.
And this Nuremberg defense, this idea that a military officer can't plead orders as a defense is just nonsense.
It really is.
Officers are there to obey orders.
You can't...
If a junior officer, even a senior officer, is obeying orders that are coming down the chain of command, you go up the chain of command and you prosecute the guy at the top.
You don't prosecute guys halfway up.
Okay, where should they have gone, though?
I mean, where didn't they go that they should have gone?
Well, I have to say, the military defendants, most of them should never have been put on trial at all.
We're not guilty of war crimes.
So are you putting it at the feet of only Hitler or who else?
The guy's not working alone, right?
Correct.
The decision to start World War II was taken by Adolf Hitler.
Canaris was opposed to starting war.
He could see there was a risk.
He understood that it was going to be very risky.
I read something somewhere, I can't remember where it was, which sounded convincing to me anyway.
And it said that Churchill...
The Bushes and a few other individuals, basically, and I guess IG Farben, decided to use Hitler.
No.
To start a war and that he got out of hand.
No.
And had to be reined back in.
Canaris controlled Hitler.
Canaris installed Hitler.
Remember Mein Kampf is written by Rudolf Hess.
Rudolf Hess reports to Canaris.
So Mein Kampf is written by a German intelligence officer.
Right.
He reports to the head of German intelligence.
Canaris takes over German intelligence late 20s, early 30s.
Ludendorff was the predecessor.
Right.
There may be one guy that we don't know about between Ludendorff and Canaris, because it's all black at that stage.
So you've got...
Adolf Hitler is installed by German intelligence.
Hitler, remember, was an intelligence officer.
He's an intelligence officer installed by German intelligence.
They control him up till 38.
In 38, Hitler seizes the Austrian gold reserves.
He gets 11 metric tons of gold out of Vienna.
All of a sudden, the Nazis have their own cash.
I've got gold, I've got cash.
You also detail that gold Or gold shipments coming in to Germany from Japan?
Exactly.
Japan and China.
And why did they send their gold to Germany?
That's because they had cut a deal.
And that involved Germany doing the military aggression.
Chinese people in China bankrolling it.
The Chinese are setting up trading programs.
The Germans are leveraging gold.
The Chinese supply the gold.
The Germans do the leveraging.
All right, now this gets into the...
We're getting to...
You know the trading programs is a really key area.
Yeah.
And you mentioned what are called the, I guess, MTM. Medium to no trading, exactly.
But I don't know if there are other trading programs because I've got another witness that talks about the trading programs as being very instrumental at this time that the Bushes run it and that it's also run through, if I understand it correctly, the Federal Reserve.
Correct.
And now you're saying it originates in Germany.
Oh yeah, the Federal Reserve is under German control.
Remember, the Germans set up the Federal Reserve.
I heard it was under the Vatican.
No.
But there are Vatican links, because the Vatican...
Remember, Vatican...
Religion is only one of the core...
Needless to say.
Religion is one of the core functions of the Vatican.
It's a hobby.
Exactly.
But the Jesuits, the religion is just a cover story.
There are some genuine religious people in the Vatican.
It may sound odd to say it, but there are some genuine.
There are some very nice people in the Vatican.
There are, Pope Benedict.
I mean, there are almost every one of these lines.
Yeah, I mean, a lot of churches contain religious people.
It may sound strange to say it, but a lot of churches contain religious people.
And people that firmly believe some of these things.
Benedict is a good man.
Pope Benedict.
I've never met him personally, but we've had dealings through intermediaries.
He's a good man.
The Vatican Bank is heavily involved in trading programs.
The Jesuits are heavily involved in German intelligence.
That goes way, way back.
Way back.
Yes.
So there is a link up there.
Exactly.
The Chinese supply the gold, but the Germans do the trading programs.
So if you want to make money out of gold, you run a line of credit against the gold, and then you trade that on the MTN markets.
That's how you use gold.
Remember, if you've got, let's say you're a Chinese ancient family and you've got 10,000 metric tons of gold.
Right.
Practices probably 40,000 metric tons of gold.
You've got to be wary about Chinese gold figures because the gold is often very low purity.
But let's say you've got 10,000 tons of refined 9999, you know, you've got 10,000 tons of proof gold.
You want to make money out of it.
What do you do?
You sell it?
Well, the trouble with selling it is you're then reducing your gold stockpile.
If you want to keep the gold and make the gold work for you, then you've got to go and talk to the Germans.
Because then the Germans control offshore high-yield trading.
German-controlled banks will set up a line of credit against your gold.
And you consider J.P. Morgan a German-controlled bank?
Oh, absolutely.
John P. Martin Morgan was a German asset, yes.
He's a German-American.
Absolutely.
And remember, J.P. Morgan owned the Titanic and arranged for the Titanic to sink.
And yes, we should also touch on that as well.
I haven't forgotten, incidentally, viewers may say, oh, he's steered away from the subject of Theresa May.
I haven't.
Coming back to my answer about Harry Bekoff.
Harry Bekoff is an intelligence officer.
He's one of my contacts.
Harry briefs in another chairman, ex-chairman of the Conservative Party.
That chairman briefs in Theresa May.
And so when I say I've been providing intelligence to Theresa May, it's not direct.
It's been looped through Harry, one of Theresa May's predecessors as chairman of the Conservative Party, and Theresa May.
Remember, she was chairman of the party at one point.
So she gets some very powerful, high-grade intelligence, some of which is sourced to me, and she uses that, leverages that with David Cameron, And that's how she became Home Secretary.
There was a big promotion for her.
You mean that...
Are you saying that your piece of intelligence contributed to her career move?
Oh, yes.
And that piece of intelligence was what?
That I couldn't possibly...
Oh, you couldn't tell.
There are certain things...
It concerns people who are alive.
All right.
Who...
If the truth came out, there would probably have to be prosecutions.
We're talking senior figures in the Tory party committing some very serious criminal offences.
Don't you have what they call a get-out-of-jail-free card that would be this kind of intel that they would be threatened by so they shouldn't have put you in jail to begin with?
Well, some would say that it was a very silly move to put me in jail, bearing in mind what I know.
Right.
Because bear in mind, politics is not, for the benefit of viewers who may not understand politics, many of your viewers will, you do, but not all of your viewers will.
Politics is not what you know, it's not who you know, it's what you know about whom.
Now, Theresa May was able to leverage her way into the Home Secretorship through constructive use of intelligence, some of which came from me.
Now, Harry was also talking to other people in the intelligence community.
He had very good Freemason links.
There were various bits of intel.
It's not just...
That reminds me, are you a Freemason?
I'm not, no.
But I have very friendly relations with Freemasons.
I've had the odd drinkies and the odd little drinkies and the odd working friends with Freemasons.
Okay.
So my contacts with the Masons have been cordial.
But assuming they're not the ones who are...
Oh, we're talking English Rite Freemasons, not Scottish Rite.
Nice Freemasons.
Okay.
The good guys.
The good guys.
The white hats, yes.
Not nasty Scottish Rite Freemasons, no.
Okay.
Nice Freemasons.
I only talk to nice Freemasons.
That's interesting.
You know, Trump, I guess, is related to the Scottish Rite in some way.
He's very well connected.
I... Donald Trump is...
I don't know if he's read it.
I copied my book and went into Trump Tower.
All right.
It was hand-delivered to Trump Tower a few months ago.
Well, maybe once this hits the airwaves that'll...
I sincerely hope Mr.
Trump has read my book, because if anybody's going to assassinate him, it'll be the DVD. They assassinated Kennedy.
The Germans will not be happy about his election.
They're extremely unhappy.
So Trump is at risk.
There's nothing specific, but yes, he needs to be aware of the DVD. And God forbid you should warn anybody, because you might be thrown in jail.
Well, this is the problem.
I'm in a very difficult position because I've had one bogus bomb hoax charge.
It's a bit difficult, but all I can say is I really think he needs to read my book.
I'm hoping he has done already.
And I'm hoping that the director of Mossad...
Well, yes, indeed.
When the director of Mossad went over to see him, the new director, went over to see him last week, there was a little private briefing, and I'm hoping my book was mentioned.
If not, I sincerely hope the DVD were mentioned.
Right.
Trump is well informed.
He's going to be a very good president, provided the Germans don't get him first.
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