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Dec. 15, 2016 - Project Camelot
01:23:35
WILLIAM TOMPKINS: SELECTED BY EXTRATERRESTRIALS - PART ONE
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Thank you.
Thank you.
The country needs to know about it.
The planet needs to know about what has taken place.
And we've been lied to, I say this over and over, we've all been lied to for a minimum of 6,000 years.
We're going to have to step back our thinking here to the people on this planet.
They don't know there's extraterrestrials.
They don't know that there's not just one of them.
Maybe we've got thousands.
Maybe we've got billions of extraterrestrials.
The latest number, just recently, we doubled the number again.
We now have 200 trillion galaxies out there.
Bobby Ray Inman, was he alive then?
I don't even know.
He was just a kid then.
So he wasn't.
But Bobby Ray Inman later on became the number one.
Yes.
He still is.
Yeah.
But I'm just saying, 26 years he ran with the ball.
Right.
Yes.
He knew what he was talking about.
So they watched this event and they immediately structured and organized this group of people pulling in all of the top scientists they could pull them in, put them inside a secret area inside of an aircraft company.
He put this organization together which ended up being a major organization later on studying extraterrestrial and is still studying it.
So are you saying that was the beginning of MJ-12?
Yeah.
Hi, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I am here today with a very honored guest.
Actually, I should say guests, but Michael Shratt is joining us, and he's going to be helping to ask some good questions to our very honored guest.
And this is Bill Tompkins, and he is a phenomenal individual and a very courageous individual.
And it's rare when you get someone like this who will come forward and tell the truth, and we've been waiting a long time for this, let me say that.
So Michael Shratt is an aerospace historian.
and very happy that he's here with us today.
He has a very thorough background in aerospace history, and so that's going to be a lot of help, actually.
You may disagree with me, but I think you might be the first witness to come forward in the area of the secret space program, Black Projects, and who is actually, in a sense, sanctioned.
Being backed up by a section of the military, I would say.
Now, I don't know if you'd see it like that.
I certainly know you're backed up by the Nordics.
But I'm talking earthly civilization here.
And I think in that case...
Maybe the Navy is behind bringing you forward, but I don't know if you're actually willing or even able to elaborate on that, but go ahead.
Well, actually it's sort of a situation where I'm still involved with the Navy, And I'm actually having to participate in naval programs.
So I'm going to discuss as much as I can.
You're going to hit me with some questions and I won't be able to answer.
So I think the easiest way to just start this is to go back to 1942.
Actually, For whatever reason, I was selected by some people in the Navy, Naval Intelligence, to essentially be assigned a program to discuss the U.S. Navy secret space operators who have been operating in Germany
trying to understand the tremendously complicated agreement between the SS and the Draco Reptilian group who were assisting Germany.
So this had actually gotten started much earlier with a very lovely young lady in Germany who was contacted by Nordic people to essentially get her friends to develop the necessary requirements to build A large space transport get their friends
and the family to join into this and essentially leave the planet and go to another star's planetary system.
And this is Maria Orsic?
That's correct.
And so she actually was doing this from like the late 20s, 1930s.
And it ended up in the studies that I got involved in With the information from the operatives, the Navy operatives coming back from Germany, into Admiral Rick Abada's secret conference room at the top building, Naval Air Station San Diego.
He's commander, Naval Air Station San Diego, but he has a hobby.
And this hobby is roughly 28, 29 naval operatives.
Who in 1942 and possibly early in 1941 were continually going back to Germany and studying all over the different research organizations what it was that the agreement had actually been made with Hitler, the SS, and the Draco reptilian people.
Okay, but if this is happening in 1941 or 1942, the war is not over.
The war is still on, but this young lady that we're talking about had been contacted by Nordic people to Help her get an organization together with a great deal of extraterrestrial assistance to design a propulsion system,
design a vehicle large enough to carry 40,000-50,000 people.
Get in this vehicle and leave the planet.
Now, the SS was not aware of this.
When they found out about this, they took over a group of 1,442 people, which included scientists, it included shoe salesmen, it included farmers, it included top research technicians.
All these people were contacted by the Nordic extraterrestrials to assist People in Germany to get a vehicle built.
So now we have a whole lot of civilians, nothing to do with the military, and with absolutely no desire to have the military involved in this extraterrestrial event.
Okay?
Real important.
When the SS found out what they were doing, They took over everything that she had structured and organized, all 1,443 people.
They had been hawking their farms.
They had been getting everything they could possibly get in the way of money to design and build massive size spacecraft transports.
That's not what the SS wanted.
So they took over this facility.
And they jumped in and grabbed everything.
After only two months, Hitler made the decision, let her and her organization go ahead with what they're doing.
We're going to be working with the Draco Reptilian Group.
So now we have two groups that we can get and we can cut into them anytime we want.
We can take it over again anytime that it was necessary.
So actually they allowed the second time for this group to design and build these spacecraft transports with which Many of them later on, even during the war and after the war, to leave the planet.
Some of them went out and came back.
They actually had large facilities that they utilized as an underground facilities in Antarctica.
The Draco-reptilian people had two enormous caverns.
And I don't want to get off into that subject now.
We can talk about it later.
But there are caverns all over this planet which different extraterrestrial civilizations have been using for thousands of years.
Now, back to the SS. What the operatives found was an unbelievable series of situations that literally, when they gave their briefings to Admiral Rick Abada,
we also have one at least of three other Navy captains in his office at the time of this briefing to sort of set the stage for this.
Okay, can I get the year that they did the briefing with Riccobata?
1942.
Still during the war?
Still during the war.
Incredible.
Yes.
Now, Admiral Riccobata, well, there was a large table.
The operative sat on the other side of the table.
Admiral Riccobada sat here, I sat next to him, and one of the three Navy captains sat next to me.
The typist sat at the end of the table.
That's the only people that were in there.
We always had the same people.
Essentially, all of these meetings, all of these disclosure meetings, took place at night.
The Admiral's aide would wake me up, wake me up, sleeping in my barracks.
He tapped me on the shoulder and all he said was, he's here.
He escorted me across the facility over to this tall building, which is the command center at Naval Air Station San Diego.
There's a small office near the top of this.
That's where these disclosure meetings took place.
So these operatives then brought back this information, which is, even Admiral Rick Abada said, I don't believe one word you're saying, young man.
That came up over and over.
Okay, can I ask you the name of the other Navy captain, or are we not to know who that is?
Actually, I have to say I can't remember it right now, so that gets me out of it.
Okay.
But I really don't remember.
Okay.
But these operatives themselves didn't believe some of the information that they had to bring back, and so all they tried to do as best they could is present a package of A package of information.
Some of it even had manuals.
Some of the manuals were in hieroglyphics.
All of the manuals were in German.
Then they had photographs taken inside of research facilities in Germany.
They had photographs of UFOs.
They had photographs of maintenance people working on UFOs.
They had photographs inside of the UFOs.
Okay, now I'm going to ask you something because these operatives, you're calling them operatives, were these regular human beings and how were they getting access to Germany at this time to get this information?
Was this something that they were allowing the Americans to have?
What was the relationship?
Okay, basically all of these young men were either lieutenant JGs or full lieutenants in the Navy's intelligence.
These people were all American German family people.
All of these fellas knew Germany.
They even knew all the accents in different areas in the surrounding countries.
These are beautiful guys who were dedicated themselves to be essentially spies for the U.S. Navy.
Now this was totally unaware with the Air Force.
Everything that I'm talking about is on the Navy side of what took place way back then.
So these operatives would bring back photographs of the different vehicles, they would bring back data, sometimes documents, all in German, And or some of it in what was then considered to be the closest thing was to be essentially hieroglyphics
that we found later on underneath the pyramids.
So that's the best description I can give you of what some of the data was.
Obviously, this was information that was not given to Germany.
By extraterrestrials using English language.
Where otherwise, many meetings that took place later on with extraterrestrials, they could give you the information in 10 or 20 different languages.
But that's not what we got.
Okay?
So they would actually attempt to tell this panel Everything that they were able to find and what was most important.
And we then would take that information and I had 11 or 12 young ladies who could take this information, which the first girl typed, run copies of, and then put together different what they called packages, which essentially were proposals.
Okay?
These proposals then We're then to be disseminated around the United States in secret facilities.
Now I want to make one point very clear here.
Actually, what was on the Rents Radio program last night was a document that actually was put together later at Douglas, because Douglas got one of these packages.
I personally took it to Santa Monica Douglas as one of the first of four top, not aerospace, aircraft companies, which became aerospace later on.
Remember, everything that we're talking about here I don't know how to make this clear.
You're trying to decipher, you're trying to understand, not just other extraterrestrial people information, but everything that you're getting is totally unreal to every single PhD on the planet.
I have to say people don't realize what took place in 1942 in the Naval Air Station at San Diego.
This is unbelievable and it's not just a statement of unbelievable.
You couldn't understand it.
When the documents were then taken and I had to use the One of the two airplanes that Admiral Rick Abbott had, he had a twin-engine Lockheed Electra.
Which we used to fly back in the eastern part of the country to laboratories and naval bases.
And then he had a seven passenger high wing single engine plane which we flew to Douglas and to Douglas and to I mean into Lockheed out on the desert to the Navy facilities out there.
So we put together rough information and I want to try to Explain what that information was.
All it consisted of was a typed version of what the operative said, copies of that.
Some documents, some photographs, some written notes, like there might be as many as 30 pages of written notes that the operative would give to the Admiral.
Okay, now I'm going to stop you there and ask you, Rick Abada and yourself, Can we get a little background on why you two guys were so instrumental in this process?
Now, I know something about you from reading your book, and I want to highly recommend his book.
It's fascinating.
But I do want to share with the audience here, you know, Rick Abate, you told me on the phone, I think you said he was Australian, and he wasn't trained in America.
Is that right?
Yes, and you're asking a very important question, okay, what you're asking.
It's extremely important.
We're going to have to step back our thinking here to the people on this planet.
They don't know there's extraterrestrials.
They don't know that there's not just one of them.
Maybe we've got thousands.
Maybe we've got billions of extraterrestrials.
The latest number, just recently, we doubled the number again.
We now have 200 trillion galaxies out there.
And to say that we're the only intelligent people in this universe is naive.
But we were, the people on this planet, were tremendously naive.
They had no idea what these naval operatives brought back to what essentially was my delivering of these packages to the four top...
Right.
Airplane companies, because they want aerospace.
Now, back to your specific question.
Who was Admiral Rick Abada?
He was born in Australia.
He came to the United States, went to school, joined the Navy as a third-class seaman.
He worked his way up.
Now, what's extremely important about this is that My mission statement working for Admiral Rick Abada was as disseminator of advanced aircraft research.
Okay?
That was my mission statement working for Admiral Rick Abada.
was a copy of 80% of his statement, who was written by the Secretary of the Navy Forstall.
Okay?
The Nordics contacted Forstall.
I'm saying this, you don't believe it, this is what happened.
They contacted Forstall and had Forstall selected.
Selected to initiate this whole thing in the U.S. Navy.
Then Forrestal selects an Australian man, Two Star Admiral Rick Abada, to be the one person to disseminate this data that Our Navy intelligence found out what was going on in Germany and this is staggering because at that time people don't realize that there's more than one
Admiral in the Navy.
At that time there was 43 because there's so many areas that need support.
Secretary of the Navy Forstall selected a man who never went to Annapolis.
Listen to what I'm saying.
Every PhD on this planet, whether they're for science or for medicine, Have been given incorrect information for thousands of years about the history of this, not just this galaxy, the universe.
They have been given information which was controlled By Draco, Reptition, and other extraterrestrials not to know what was really going on.
So every book in every university on this planet had misinformation about every field, every technical field you can come up with.
Okay?
Yes.
So when the operatives had to carry this out, They were not asked to study these packages.
They were directed to study these packages.
These weren't requests for proposal.
This was a demand factor that this information that got typed up in the information in these packages to all of these research universities, to all of the top Navy laboratories, The facilities out at China Lake, the underground facilities at China Lake, Caltech.
Actually, I didn't take the first package to Caltech in Pasadena.
I took their first package to the underground facilities out on the desert called China Lake.
And it's just north of the Air Force facilities off of Highway 395 out in the desert in California.
And I'm saying people don't understand or realize or gasp They don't get what has happened.
And I'm not trying to build a story here.
All I'm trying to say is, hey people, hey you guys, everybody that's listening to this program, okay?
You people have been told For a minimum of 6,000 years total incorrect information from medical, from science, from history, from astronomy, from mathematics, you name it.
Everything you've told.
I really appreciate you.
This is a lie.
I hear you.
It's great.
Can I ask you one thing about these operatives who went into Germany to get this information?
We know there were spies, from your description, so they were undercover, so to speak, and they must have seen the craft with their own eyes as well.
Yes.
Correct?
Yes, absolutely.
So in some cases they were working on the craft, even.
Yeah, they actually got on board, got inside.
They took photographs inside, stuck them in some place and managed to be part of the package that was delivered to Admiral Cabada.
Incredible.
Now, what do you think?
First of all, you're telling me Forrester had contact, and his contact was with the Nordics.
They chose him.
But was Rick Abada in contact?
Or you said he sat there and just shook his head and said, I don't believe you.
So he was not a person who had had any contact himself.
You're referring to Admiral Rick Abada?
Yes.
To me, he was selected, period, by the Secretary of the Navy over all of the standard admirals who had been educated in Annapolis.
Because he had an open mind.
He had a mind that would not have been controlled by the misinformation that every university on the planet has given.
Was that your personal take on him when you met him?
No, not when I met him.
Later on, this was obvious, okay?
But then, who's Billy Tompkins?
Why did he Who selected Tompkins to be on this committee?
Because I get pulled out of high school in the first year, halfway through the first year, the Navy pulls me out and puts me through boot camp.
And then my orders say, report to Commander so-and-so, Naval Air Station San Diego.
I'm only saying...
I don't have a doctor's in these degrees that are required for all of these studies.
I don't have.
But then my mind wasn't clouded with misinformation like the admiral.
Okay?
Okay, but to get back to you, and we've got this setting of this conference table, and you're sitting next to Rick Abada, and eventually you deliver out all these packages around the, well, what becomes the secret space program, but the American.
And did you take some to Britain?
No.
I only took facilities to the United States secret facilities.
Now, right away, I want to hit you with this.
And this is important.
Even the document that was on Rents Radio last night, it's called, it's a Douglas document that was put together inside the secret think tank at Douglas, where I went to work many years after the Navy, okay, because I worked for Northrop and other people.
But when I got into Douglas, they put me in this secret think tank.
So that document is called, it's a big thick thing, and it has the Douglas logo on the front of it, and it's called unconventional propulsion schemes.
Okay?
And it doesn't have a confidential stamp on it.
It doesn't have a secret stamp on it.
Everything that we took, I took, I flew in the airplane, in the Admiral's airplane, to Lockheed, to Naval Air Development Center, a War Minister of Pennsylvania.
I flew to all the top secret facilities.
Not one document was given had classified in any way given to them.
Everybody knew it was way above top secret.
Yes.
No document was stamped.
I hear you.
Yeah, and I had heard that on one of the other shows.
So the idea being that if it wasn't stamped, people wouldn't notice it.
They wouldn't make a big deal of it.
Yes.
It would just pass through hands.
If anyone...
Whose eyes caught sight of that document accidentally, they wouldn't see it, so to speak.
But it's an interesting way to handle the most classified subject on the planet.
Absolutely.
Well, actually quite ingenious, really.
So, again, but I want to get back to you because here you are.
You're a kid at this point.
I mean, right out of high school?
I'm 18 now.
18.
Okay, so you're 18 years old, but they've chosen you.
I assume Forrestal and the Nordics chose you.
Did you already have contact with the Nordics before you went into this program?
Okay, let's go back to February 1942, okay?
They call it the Los Angeles Siding.
What took place, actually my mom was back east and my dad, my brother and I had rented a large apartment in Long Beach in California and this was in a large home that had been broken into four apartments.
So the second floor actually is 30-foot ceilings down below, so the second floor then is real high.
And all the way across the back of this house, it's only four blocks from the ocean in Long Beach, all the way across the back is a great big balcony deck.
So at about 5.30 in the evening, one day in 42, My dad says to my brother and I, who were laying on the floor looking at the newspaper and the magazines, get up and come back here to the deck.
So we get up and go out to the deck and here's this spot, a little spot, okay, just above the trees and just above the rooftops, okay, of the houses that prevent us to see the ocean from this area.
So We're standing there looking at this, and all of a sudden, out of this spot of light came a little beam, and it went like that, sort of about that 60 degrees.
And we watched that.
Then this beam went straight like this, hit the back of the house, lit up all of the trees, lit up the back, the roofs of all the houses, everything was lit up, and we went back.
Hit the wall and then forward and grab the railing.
Okay?
It was gone.
It was gone.
Okay?
So we went back, we had dinner, listened to a show on the radio, went to bed.
At about 1.30 that night, all of the anti-aircraft guns started firing.
We get up, we run outside, and we look at this great big thing.
At arm's length, it was that big.
It was parked at about 7-8 thousand feet.
I'd been a Navy pilot, flew almost everything that the Navy had.
I knew what the altitude was.
I knew what this thing was.
There was eight searchlights on the bottom of this vehicle.
Bang, bang, bang.
All these shells were bursting on the bottom of this vehicle on a continuous basis for an hour and 30 minutes.
Just parked right there.
Now, all around it, above it, different vehicles were coming.
This is the Battle of LA, you're describing.
This is the Battle of Los Angeles.
Okay?
But at that time, you were still a kid, right?
Yeah.
So you hadn't been a Navy pilot yet.
No, no, no.
But now, later on, you were able to remember what you saw and know that it was these...
I knew what the altitude was.
I somehow knew this altitude.
Oh, really?
Yes.
And...
Later on, I did.
I flew almost every plane that the Navy had.
So the craft that you said, you said there was a newspaper picture.
I don't know if that's really the real thing.
The newspaper was not a good demonstration of what took place.
Now, what I'm trying to say in evaluating what happened in this sighting, You have to visualize dozens and dozens and dozens of different shaped vehicles.
This great big one parked right above you, right over Long Beach, okay?
Everybody is outside looking at this and watching it.
We find there's vehicles going on both sides of it, there's vehicles above it, and several times actually the vehicle went underneath and the anti-aircraft gun lights, the searchlights, shined on them and followed them.
So this goes on till about 2.30.
We get bored.
We all go back to bed.
Okay?
We get bored.
No, hold on.
Just wait a minute.
Hold on.
Okay?
We get bored.
Now, while this is happening, and it goes on until 5 o'clock, In the morning.
Many of the other people outside watching this from the street stayed up all night long.
Better than a movie.
Now on the other side of your planet at the same time the Germans were bombing London.
Oh wow.
Oh my gosh.
Holy cats, this is February 1942.
Now, we got bored and went to sleep.
Now, I want to make a very important point about the Los Angeles event, the sighting.
Nobody got scared.
Nobody got nervous.
Nobody ran in the house and jumped with the covers over their head.
Everybody watched this thing.
Nobody Got sick.
Nobody got real sick.
Died.
There weren't anything of that.
The only people that were killed in this were from our own shrapnel.
Now, people watched this same sighting, we found out later, from Santa Barbara.
People watched it from San Diego.
This is a massive sighting.
Group of vehicles.
Now, listen to this analysis.
You got to tell me.
There's only two ways this could accomplish what was going on.
One, The extraterrestrial vehicle come in over the ocean, okay?
Hundreds of them.
They go all over Los Angeles.
They go to the telescope on Mount Wilson.
They make a turn.
They either go north or they go south.
They fly out to sea.
They turn around out over the ocean and they come back to make you think there's a whole lot more Vehicles there than actually there is.
They either had to do that or we watched thousands of vehicles come in over western United States from 1.30 to almost 5 o'clock.
And they shot at them and weren't able to hit them or destroy them.
The shells burst on the bottom of them.
They're not bursting on the bottom.
There's an electromagnetic shield, but the shell hits and it blows up, but it doesn't do any damage.
Now, yes.
We did shoot down two small ones, which were not occupied.
One of those went in the ocean only a half a mile off the Rainbow Pier in Long Beach.
Your Navy picked that up.
So your Navy had an extraterrestrial vehicle in February of 1942.
Okay, so that's before the operatives came back with the information.
Because you said in 1942 they...
Okay.
This took place just before I was contacted, pulled out of high school, thrown over to Naval Air Station, North Island.
Okay?
Mm-hmm.
What this says is that a whole lot of people who were involved in this sighting immediately knew there were extraterrestrials.
Now, I want to take this a little further.
people who watch this sighting, and this is not, it's, there's documents that prove it, but they haven't been released.
Two Navy admirals, two Army Air Corps generals, and an individual whose name is Donald Douglas Senior.
Donald Douglas, Sr.
Those five people were in meetings that evening.
They were still in meetings.
They watched this whole thing.
They watched everything.
Bang!
Extraterrestrials.
No cover-up.
They're real.
Okay?
So those fellows got together.
Just a second.
Douglas then put this group together.
The two admirals, the two army generals, Air Force generals, and they put together a group of people and initiated a secret think tank inside of Douglas, actually within one week of the sighting.
Yeah, that's fabulous.
And so, you know, We talk here that this is February 42 In 1951, I went to work for that secret think tank inside of Douglas.
I had been working for Northrop for two and a half years.
I worked for North American for a short time.
I worked for Lockheed for a short time.
And then somebody telepathically told me, I need to leave Lockheed and I need to go to work over in Santa Monica at Douglas.
I didn't read a document that said do that.
Okay.
So, I went over and applied for a job as a draftsman.
Okay?
I'm sorry, not a draftsman.
As a model builder of metal wind tunnel models.
Okay?
Because remember, I had built a group of models over quite a number of years.
Yes.
But I still, I mean, I want to make sure that we have this, the L.A. sighting, the L.A., Battle of L.A., Because that was so amazing.
And this is even prior to Roswell.
Yes.
Okay.
And in essence, are you able to say who those other people are?
Because you said Douglas is one of them.
But the other admirals and generals that were in that meeting, that small meeting watching all of this, who then put the secret think tank together.
Yes.
Okay.
Bobby Ray Inman, was he alive then?
I don't even know.
He was just a kid then.
But Bobby Ray Inman later on became the number one admiral.
He still is.
But I'm just saying, 26 years he ran with the ball.
He knew what he was talking about.
Oh, absolutely.
So, okay, but did, you know, the Battle of LA is going on, but at the same time, did any of the ETs in that craft, I mean, and do you know which ETs were doing this?
Was it the Nordics?
Did any of them, you know, teleport down to...
Did you meet anybody?
Was there any reported encounters during those 24 hours?
Well, let's go back to Douglas Sr., two Navy admirals and two Army Air Corps generals, in a meeting.
Okay?
They had been in meetings all day long.
They were still in meetings.
Right.
Because it's only 7.30.
I mean, come on.
So they watched this event and they immediately structured and organized this group of people pulling in all of the top scientists they could pull them in, put them inside a secret area inside of an aircraft company.
Douglas Senior did this so you got to give him credit for this.
Now later on we had a lot of problem with his son in there because he didn't know what was going on.
Senior was brilliant.
He put this organization together, which ended up being a major organization later on studying extraterrestrial and is still studying it.
So are you saying that was the beginning of MJ-12?
Yeah.
In a word, yeah.
Excellent.
Yeah.
Okay.
Was Forrestal one of the admirals?
No.
In that meeting?
No.
Was Riccobotter?
No.
Are you able to tell me the other players in that room?
We know the beginning of MJ-12, actually.
We know some of these players.
Vannevar, Bush?
No.
I just assumed, sort of signed stuff.
I could go on.
Okay, I just assumed.
Alright, fine.
No problem.
Okay, so we've got that, but you didn't answer my question.
Was anyone having contact?
Okay.
Any high-level people contacted even before the event happened, in fact.
Okay.
My understanding on this was that nobody came down, nobody talked to the people that were in these vehicles, but probably thousands of people telepathically got information.
So the bells were rung in hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people.
And you were one of them?
I just happened to be one of them, I think.
I can't prove it, but somehow Well, I mean, this is a good time to ask you.
I mean, are there other guys like you?
Because you seem to be one of a kind.
Oh yes, very definitely.
Yeah, no, there's a lot of other people.
There's a lot of guys like you in this secret space program who were somehow contacted and have had special guidance and knowledge on how to build and what to do?
Yes, yes.
Others?
Yes.
And have you met them?
Really, I've only met three other individuals of what are probably hundreds.
Really?
And they're all quiet to this day?
Yes.
Now, I think one of the thrusts that you probably have and that many people now are hoping that the disclosure information will get these people to come out and talk about their involvement.
That's what collectively we're all trying to do because there's many areas that I don't know about and that I was not involved in which are extremely important and those people working in this subject know this and they're not just aerospace engineers these are top physicists in universities okay and
they're top designers in aerospace companies and They've had the information put in their head, too.
But for whatever reason, almost everybody that knows the information has been in some way put in the position that either their family has been threatened, they have been threatened, and they don't want to talk.
Okay, well then let's, before we go on, why are you able to come forward?
Who gave you the green light?
Okay, I can't answer that.
All I can say is that the easiest way for me To say what I'm saying is my association with three Nordic people in Douglas on the Apollo program.
Okay?
I worked with these guys.
Two young ladies and two really good looking Nordic guy.
Alright.
And so working with the three of them For three and a half years on the Apollo program who all three denied that they were Nordics.
But everybody that was anybody in engineering knew they were.
Okay?
I never said they were.
They never said they were.
But if you can just Try to visualize.
I had 170 top engineers on the Apollo program working for me.
I was engineering section chief at Douglas.
I had, I guess, worked my way up.
I come up with approaches and concepts and I get these implemented by all my designers.
Where did some of my ideas come from?
I have this very nice looking young lady who never stops kidding.
It's fun to go to work.
She never stops kidding.
She's always sticking it in and turning it.
And not just that, but she's always stuffing things in my head.
So, like when I presented this complete redesign of the Apollo program to Dr.
Von Braun and Dr.
Debus at Redstone Arsenal, one of the most classified facilities on the planet, I had a six foot by six foot model in a great big box put on the DC-7 to fly down To the Redstone Arsenal, okay?
I rented a truck.
There weren't inside or closed trucks available.
The only one that they had had just board sides on it.
So here is this great big gray box that could be a nuclear bomb.
I drive this thing and I've never driven this The gears on this in my life.
I'm in a three-piece business suit.
I'm driving this truck with this bomb box in the back.
And you just drive it onto the base or something, right?
Wait just a second.
Now, my secretary had told me before I left.
I've typed you an authorization as an allowance to go on board the base.
Okay?
You're never going to use it.
Okay?
I said, you're going to get on base and you're not going to have anybody bother you.
So yes, I'm driving this truck a long straight road to get to the gates of the base.
And she said, I told you before, Billy, telepathically, I'm driving the truck, just keep going.
So the gates open, okay?
Now, off on the right-hand side is this massive parking area for all of these trucks, all of the people to get on base, go through the security checks.
Sure.
And the doors open, the gate opens, and none of the four police guards at the office, they didn't pick up their rifles and come out and start shooting.
Nobody did.
The rifles just stayed by the front door where they stood.
Okay, but is this Nordic mind control?
Yes.
Is it?
Yes.
Okay.
So, are you telling me you're here because of Nordic mind control today?
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, you know, is that what's happening?
I mean, are these, you know, top admirals who've been in this game now since 42 at least, are they letting you come here because they've been persuaded to do so or because they've been mind controlled by Nordics to let you come?
Okay.
I have to say, really, I don't know.
And I really don't know.
I love that.
Okay.
That's awesome.
That's awesome.
I would say that that's probably how you got...
Actually, I didn't just mean here disclosing, but actually here talking to me, because I'm usually the most dangerous woman out there.
I mean, to tell you the truth, that's my reputation.
So somebody letting you talk to me...
I mean, I know the Nordics are cool with me, so now I know why you're here, because...
You just answered it.
Now, while we're still not believing the gates to open, I drive this truck through a massive base that's covered with trees.
You can't see the sky.
You can't see where this tall building is that Von Braun's tower is.
I finally get to this.
I drive right up.
There's three levels of steps.
Going up if you come as a guest.
You can go into the back and drive in the back and get in there.
So tell me why, you tell me why, four security guards come down the steps carrying a big rectangular dolly with four wheels.
I haven't said anything to them.
They come over to the truck.
I'm out of the truck.
They take the boards off the side, lay them down on the concrete.
They pick up this model and they put it on this dolly.
Why was that dolly available?
Sure.
I'm asking.
Nordic Mind Control again.
Okay.
So, they carry this big box.
With the model in it, the command center for launch of Apollo, which nobody in NASA knows even exists.
Because remember, that's my concept of what you've watched on TV every time you watched an Apollo mission.
That great big facility.
Well, we got a lot of questions about that.
But just a second.
Our contract On the S4B stage of the Apollo, the command stage, section, requires us To utilize a open hanger with doors on both ends of it to check out our stage and then assemble it on top of a outside assembly area, okay?
This is insane because we've got the most advanced circuits that have ever been designed for the computerized The entire computerized operation of Apollo.
Because remember, Germany was all mechanical.
They were not.
They did not use computers.
Even back in those days.
Back in those days.
This facility then has this massive outside structure where you assemble your stages on this and it's 270 foot high, okay?
Out in the open and then somebody lights the engine and we get the engines to operate and it lifts off.
The checkout of everything is outside.
The checkout of the vacant facilities and every part of the whole program is out in an environment with the doors open in a hangar.
Okay, are you trying to tell me that because it was somehow camouflaged and And so people wouldn't look or couldn't see it?
No, I'm saying that our contract required us to do all of the assembly and checkout of our stage, which is the controlling stage of Apollo, in an open hangar in the worst atmosphere that we can do it on the planet.
Because the humidity I said to Dr.
Debus and Dr.
Ron Brown in my briefing that I don't want that hanger that you want me to check my stage in.
I want Well, first of all, you guys with the V2s in Germany, roughly 68% of the time when you check it out and then you lift it, there's problems.
With your own V2s.
So I'm going to check out my vehicle, first of all, in an inside closed area in the vertical position.
And I'm going to keep it in the vertical position until I pick it up and put it on top of the lower stages.
Okay, but I want to know why if the Nordics had this amazing technology and they were helping you and feeding you ideas for Apollo, why was Apollo so rudimentary?
Is there a completely other Apollo that we never saw?
Because we know that things happened on the moon once they got there and you said, you know, and I want to talk about all that.
But you know what I'm saying?
In other words, you're still talking about this module that has, you know, is basically a rocket.
You know, it's like a tin can.
That's old technology.
Why did they let the humans continue with that kind of a design?
Yeah.
They could do what you would say would be a partial assistance to a country and maybe we say they used the United States.
Okay?
Now, the Germans had been playing with rockets, liquid rockets, for Way before World War II and even World War I, okay?
So they have their command center, the launch center, underneath the ground with concrete above it in a silo, an underground launch silo with a periscope up on top.
They can look through.
I said, we're not going to do that.
I not only want my vehicle checked out in the vertical position and assembled that way, But I'm not going to use your underground launch facility for my cabinets full of support, checkout, and launch equipment.
I want a facility Which will be a closed facility to assemble all of the stage and check them out.
Okay?
So, my proposal to Debus and Dr.
Von Braun was build a vertical assembly building, people.
Okay?
Oh yes, it will be the biggest facility space-wise of any building on the planet.
Who cares?
This is what we need.
I got from Checking out the German V2s in Germany in a horizontal to a vertical and then encased in a white room and actually my proposal was a white room atmosphere.
Right.
Air-conditioned atmosphere.
Because we were playing with advanced circuits and rocketry and communication systems that nobody had ever done.
So the chance for something to go wrong was astronomical.
And what I presented to Debus and von Braun was not just buildings, Completely changed the whole checkout and launch at the Cape for production launches to the moon.
Okay?
So if you'll remember in that book selected by extraterrestrials, there's a drawing in there that shows Cape Kennedy Complex 39 and then a whole bunch of complexes all the way down this side for Launch Complex 39s and then circles down here for these massive truck facilities to haul up
all the equipment to build a 10,000 man naval base on the moon underground.
Okay, yes, but did this get built the way you wanted it to?
It finally did, yes.
The facility got built exactly the way.
The four major changes to the Apollo program came out of 170 guys in an engineering area called Launch Complex 39, which we designed at Douglas.
Okay, but you didn't answer my question about the technology.
So you're basically saying, because this is interesting, you're saying that the Nordics have some limitations in the way they help, in the way they interfere with planet Earth.
Is that what you're kind of getting at?
Okay, you're getting complicated, your questions, but we have to step way back.
Again, not really understood by the public, okay?
Yes, there are Federation facilities out in the galaxy where other extraterrestrials get together and there's many different missions for many different types of programs,
but we'll talk about one of them which cruises the galaxy And it has as many as 30 different extraterrestrial civilization people on board.
It looks like the moon.
Okay?
But it's a planet.
I mean, it's not a planet.
It's a vehicle.
Right.
Okay.
So this cruises the galaxy.
Is it a Dyson sphere or not?
What?
Is it called a Dyson sphere?
That's one term.
But actually...
We're getting more complicated.
No, I need to answer your question.
When we got to the moon we found out a lot of surprises, okay?
The dracon reptilians were already there.
We knew because we had probes, non-manned probes, that we sent around the moon.
So we knew there was a facility on the backside.
We knew a whole lot that people didn't talk about.
But we were in a position where this moon is not a moon, okay?
It's not your moon in the first place.
Actually, this is not your planet.
This is their laboratory, okay?
Right.
Okay, the Dracos, you mean, or the Reptilians?
Draco Reptilians slash Reptilians.
Okay, and I'm going to ask you what they all look like and all that, you know, at some point.
Okay.
Okay, let's get to when, was it Neil Armstrong landed on the moon, and he said that thing that you heard him say, and Michael wants to get real specific about this.
So, basically, there were seven huge craft there, and you said, on one of the shows out there, you said...
The reptilians actually showed up beneath their craft and they gave the finger.
Okay, they were parked around the side of the crater.
They were not parked on it, they were floating above it.
So there were hundreds of these nine-foot reptilian guys standing with their legs.
Yeah, they were all the way across, underneath their vehicles, standing on the crater.
And what did they look like?
They're ugly looking, lizard, alligator type people.
They got the same skin as the lizards got.
And terrible looking faces.
But then they have the ability to shift and look like a human.
All of them do.
Okay?
Okay.
Do you think Von Braun was a reptilian?
No.
You really don't?
No.
Okay.
Your president, yes.
Oh, which one?
George Bush, senior?
Yes.
Yeah.
Sure.
And Bill Clinton and this guy you just got rid of.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They all were.
So they all have this ability to make themselves look like real good-looking people.
And you're saying Trump isn't one?
No, he's not.
Well, that's a relief.
And he knows more about this subject than people realize.
But trying to get back to your earlier question, These groups of extraterrestrials who work together but are at war with other extraterrestrials, okay, have these vehicles that look like a planet, like our moon is a vehicle.
It's a command center for this arm.
The easiest way to look at this is to put your arm out like this and you be the center of the galaxy all the way out to here.
There's four arms on our galaxy.
One of those arms has a place here which is called planet Earth.
You're not downtown where all the action is in the galaxy.
You're out here.
You're in the area which galaxies, as they rotate, throw off.
Okay?
So you're sitting here on the tip, near the tip of the Milky Way galaxy.
You, Earth.
Okay?
And what you need to do is visualize you're not, you are not Earth people.
Okay?
You are extraterrestrials, nice guys out there.
So you know that this little planet is going to get thrown off, maybe take a couple of weeks yet, but eventually it's going to get thrown off.
So that's why this is happening?
This is why this is happening, okay?
And 2,000 years from now we'll probably be picked up with another galaxy.
We're just floating out there.
And this goes back to the problem that we had before about the number of years that you can live.
We'll talk about that later.
But back to These command centers which operate throughout the galaxy to monitor bad guys and attempt to get them to back off.
So isn't Bobos one of them?
Yes.
Okay.
And so essentially we have nice guys in there and even some bad people in the same vehicle.
And they discuss wars and disagreements and this sort of thing.
But back in their own planetary part of the galaxy, they may be at war with two of the same guys that are in this together.
So this is like a center of information, sort of like a group of people who are trying to get along for certain specifications or certain events.
Those guys control your moon because your moon is a command center for this region of the galaxy.
Not just the solar system.
That's small potatoes.
The thing that's sitting right in here, which you call your moon, Okay.
It's a massive control center for this whole part of the Milky Way galaxy.
Okay, wow.
Wow.
Wow is right.
What about Saturn?
I thought Saturn was more like that.
Saturn has larger facilities on it too, but those are other agendas for other people.
Okay?
Some of which we have.
Okay?
Because we have Mining companies.
Let's take North American Aviation.
Los Angeles Airport, that's where North American Aviation is, okay?
And you've seen on my block diagrams that are in my book, What systems engineering really is.
What controls the secret think tanks.
Instead of a book or a document to do this, I came up with block diagrams.
We have to have one of those.
We're going to need one of these, and we're going to need this for just the start of the program.
As we get into this, we're going to change the phases of it into four different phases.
Concept phase, definition phase, acquisition phase, and operational phase.
So now that's a Eight, ten foot long piece of paper that's a foot high and it has every single block diagrams that are required to initiate that space program.
Okay?
Every single one is in there.
So those documents then are used in different manners to develop ICBMs.
So I came up with a concept for really space concept.
The military then used those for development of ICBMs and other weapon systems.
But the initiation of that is to understand Our position on our association with extraterrestrials.
That's what the block diagram is for.
All these events that have to take place to interface with extraterrestrials.
What do you mean?
Okay, that's very complex what you just said.
It is very complicated.
So you're talking about yourself having a diagram, having been the person who creates a diagram.
That the entire Sort of maybe all the militaries are going to follow, that's going to diagram out our relationships with the rest of the EG races?
Yeah, we've used what turned out later to be a standard requirement, this block diagram thing, for every weapon system that any of the military has, whether it's Air Force, Navy, Marines, doesn't make any difference.
Your company, designing whatever, Go back to the Pentagon and you propose a weapon system.
You're going to have to be, if you get that proposal, you're going to have to be controlled by this 375 document, which I came up with for the Apollo program.
And I submitted that to Von Braun and that was one of the four programs of changing the entire NASA program.
Okay, so the first use of this was for ICBMs.
I took that system and defined the entire Apollo program and the missions because they had several missions My group in the secret think tank came up with 44 separate missions extended to the year 2000, 1999.
So the Apollo program was supposed to not just go to the moon, pick up the rocks, take the photographs and come back.
The Apollo program was to take us out into our solar system, build naval stations on every habitable planet or its moon, and then the next phase was to go to the 12 closest stars,
Alpha Centauri being the first, Put naval stations, bases, on all of its planets, except we stopped that one because it had two suns and the radiation factor was not, we couldn't do it.
But 11 other stars, 11 closest stars to you, okay?
And you're saying it's been done?
And I'm saying that's what we plan on doing.
Okay, you planned starting with Apollo.
That is the Apollo mission.
No, that is the Apollo mission.
Oh, that's just Apollo.
Okay.
Did it happen?
No.
It got stopped, right?
Yeah.
And it got stopped by the reptilians?
Yeah, they said, no, no.
Okay, now this diagram that you're saying, this block diagram that the militaries are all following, it basically is, in a sense, your design initially.
It came through you.
But it must have been downloaded to you somehow from the Nordics, saying what Earth people were going to be allowed to do.
Is that what it's saying?
What kind of weapons they could or couldn't build?
It was not for weapons.
It was for us, and actually that's in my book.
It was for us to go out into the galaxy, everything that's necessary to build a transport or a vehicle.
Go out in the galaxy, have communications with other extraterrestrials out there, and set up businesses with them.
Maybe we could mine stuff for them.
Maybe we had certain materials they don't have.
We could market these.
They may have things that we want to buy.
Set up communications with other Civilization people out in the galaxy.
That's what the first block diagram was for and that's what the mission was to have originally been.
What we recommended.
Okay?
Now yes, Nordics put that stuff in Billy Tompkins mind and he runs with this ball.
Okay?
But you've got it in the book.
I mean, that's what our thrust was.
It was not military.
Then the military picks up this document and they run with that of every military program anybody wants.
Okay, but when you say the military picked it up, I mean, here you are kind of almost embedded in the military.
And you're dealing with von Braun and Debus.
Now, they're Germans.
Yeah.
Okay?
So there is some kind of Interaction going on between still Germany, the U.S., and then Project Paper Kit.
Yeah, right.
Over all the Nazi scientists.
Yes.
And at some point we're being infiltrated.
It's clear in your book that you, and especially your close friend that you worked with a lot, you used to talk in the dialogue of the book.
You're always saying, someone is interfering, someone is on a higher level trying to manage this situation.
Implement.
Implement the situation.
So you're having both white hat guys out there, okay, and we got black hat guys out there.
And they're both influencing us.
And they still are.
They have their agendas.
And they still are, yes?
Yes.
As we're talking, they're still doing this, okay?
It hasn't stopped.
Okay, before we continue, and I want to take a short break, I'd let you drink some water.
I don't want to leave this subject where Michael can ask his question, that he has made sure that he got his question answered about, again, back to Neil Armstrong on the moon and the back to Neil Armstrong on the moon and the seven huge craft and all the reptilians standing there.
You wanted to ask a question. - I just wanted to back up for just a quick second.
When Bill talks about classified documents not being stamped, that's absolutely correct because that is the procedure that Kelly Johnson followed at the Skunk Works in Burbank.
When they were doing the F-80, the U-2 spy plane, the A-12, and the SR-71, none of those documents were stamped top secret.
That was per Kelly Johnson, so you're absolutely correct about that.
Crazy, but yes, you're right.
So Bill, are we to believe then that you are the genesis of the Vehicle Assembly Building at the Kennedy Space Center?
You're the genesis for that idea?
Yeah, but that actually is for the NOVA program.
Okay.
Okay?
NOVA vehicles.
In the book, I think there's seven of them in one picture.
You see seven different types of NOVAs.
You see the Apollo vehicle.
It's over in the corner.
It's a little tiny thing.
Then you see these great big things that are ten times the size of Apollos.
Okay?
Those are all trucks.
They're trucks to haul up Boring machines for the moon, to bore into the moon, to find areas where we can do our construction of a 10,000-man naval operation and research base on the moon.
That's what our Apollo program first phase is.
Not just go to the moon and pick up the rocks.
We were going to the moon to a program that actually This is 1963.
It was operational until 1999.
Okay?
The moon, the Apollo moon program.
Okay?
So, all these...
I mean, it got stopped, and then it got, it continued.
I mean, it went black, I guess, is what happened.
Yeah.
But do you want some water?
Yeah.
Does anyone else want to take a short break?
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