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Nov. 1, 2016 - Project Camelot
01:15:33
MAXINE TAYLOR : ASTROLOGY OF PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
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Thank you.
Hi, everyone.
This is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here tonight.
We have a good friend and a very interesting woman, Maxine Taylor, and I think a lot of people are familiar with Maxine.
We've had her on the show a number of times and she's also on my Project Camelot TV network and so you can also see her shows.
They are pre-recorded but wonderful shows and She's on, I think she sends us shows almost every week.
So that's a real joy.
And she's a wonderful interviewer as well as an astrologer.
George's first astrologer, I think I'm supposed to say, since 1968.
And she's also been on television.
She can explain what channels and where and been an astrologer.
On a major network, as I recall.
And she is here with us tonight to talk about the astrology of presidential candidates.
So that's going to be a lot of fun.
And we do have the election coming up in about a week.
So I thought the timing was just right.
In fact, I guess an exact week from now...
So I'm going to bring her on the screen here, if you bear with me.
And Maxine, it's lovely to have you on the show.
Say hello to everyone, and please give yourself a better introduction than that.
Well, I think you did beautifully, Carrie, and thank you for inviting me.
Yes, I was George's first licensed astrologer.
I got it legalized.
In the middle of the Bible Belt in 1968, and that opened the door all over the country and the world for people to step out and become astrologers.
But I think what's so ironic is that I was CNN's on-air astrologer for several years when they began broadcasting.
And Carrie, you know me and you know astrology.
I don't know if you know I've ever told you this or not, but during the time I was on the air, CNN's On Air Astrologer.
I never once looked at the newspaper or watched the news.
In fact, for years, I never did that because number one, it was too negative.
Number two, I always felt that we were not getting the truth, no matter where we were, no matter who was broadcasting it.
And so what I did was I did political predictions.
Funny me doing that.
And I used my specialty, which is a diurnal chart that Absolutely pinpoints the winner if the birth time is accurate.
So there I was doing political predictions using only astrology.
And that's what I do now, except now I watch the news and it just makes me sick.
So I still rely on the stars.
And I love being a host on your show, on your network, and my own, of course, my own channel, YouTube channel, Maxine Taylor Astrologer.
I take my guests and I send them to you, so we cover the waterfront.
And I'm glad to be here tonight.
Excellent.
Well, it's lovely to have you here, Maxine, and I'm excited because I think it's a lot of fun what you do and your approach.
And I think that astrology has a lot of truth to it.
I also think that it's easy to be misled by timing and all kinds of idiosyncrasies.
Not everything is sort of Written in the stars, as they say, or they can change.
A person's chart can change, and their whole life can change, depending on what goes on.
But I think it is a good guideline, and I do want to kind of dig into that tonight.
So where do we start?
Where do you want to start?
You know, the stage is yours.
And I've got your charts here, so you just direct me what to put on the screen, okay?
Excellent.
And I've got them here too, so you can do them or I can do them.
Don't worry if you don't know which chart I'm talking about.
I can always hold it up for our audience.
And I understand we have a chat room also, so there may be questions just out of the blue, as it were.
Let me just say that I'd love to have Hillary's exact birth time, and I found out when I did the diurnal charts, which are the ones that just nail the event, for the Democratic National Convention and the Republican National Convention, it was perfectly clear that I had the accurate birth time for Donald Trump.
It was also clear by the end of the Democratic National Convention that I did not have The accurate birth time for Hillary and the time that many astrologers use is 8.02 a.m.
and that's the time that has been given on the Astro Data Bank website because Lois Rodden, who is no longer with us, kept incredible records for people.
Hillary's birth time It's considered not accurate there.
It was DD. In other words, it was dirty data, not casting aspersions.
But if it's AA, it's wonderful.
Well, Trump's birth time is AA because it was given to Lois.
She saw it on the birth certificate.
So we know that his birth time is accurate.
Not only that, but everything that I've seen in his chart, every diurnal I've done is accurate.
Because we don't have an accurate birth time for Hillary and because rectifying a chart, finding out the exact time is painstaking.
It is a very arduous process and now they have an app, I understand, that can help you do that.
But because I'm going with the 8.02 a.m.
birth time, which is questionable, I cannot accurately predict using diurnals.
This drives me crazy.
Because my prediction rate, political prediction rate, has been right on target because I've been able to get birth times for the different candidates over the years.
Years ago, Andrew Young, who lives here in Atlanta, former congressman, ambassador to the United Nations, and mayor of Atlanta, I got his birth time directly from him.
His opponent had been in Politics for years and years and years, and I predicted Andy's victory.
That started me going.
So it's pretty frustrating, but I will do my absolute best to give our audience some new information.
What do you think people are interested in now?
Now that I've said I can't give an accurate prediction and people going, oh, boom.
Well, no, you know, I think you can get pretty darn close, and I think there might be a lot of extenuating circumstances that might be indicated in the astrology in general.
There are certain things that you're going to be able to look at, I guess, in terms of the diurnal, and there are some planets that move slower than others, and some that you can kind of in general sort of pinpoint, and maybe through Trump's chart...
We can see how close he's going to come to winning and then maybe extrapolate, you know, kind of backing into this whole thing.
Now, I know there are a few other candidates you've got, and I love the fact that you sent me Comey's chart.
That was fascinating.
Once again, we don't have a birth time for him at all.
So the chart I sent you on Comey, on Wiener, and Wiener's ex-wife, Wiener.
I forget her name.
I've got it here.
They're solar charts.
And a solar chart, as you know, and I'll explain it to everybody, go hand-in-hand with a birth chart.
They can be very, very accurate.
What we do is you put the planets in sequence around the zodiac.
But they're based either on a 6 a.m.
birth time or a noon birth time.
I use the 6 a.m.
birth time because it puts the sun in the first house, and we are so egocentric that it fits every single time when I use them.
So I have Comey's chart, but it is his solar chart.
Let me jump into that if you'd like, because I think that is so recent and so current.
So give me a second here.
I've got...
Okay, I'm putting it on the screen, so you can work with the one you have there.
We've got the one you sent me, and I've already got that.
That happened to be the first one, just by coincidence here.
Okay, this is wonderful.
Okay, I've got the solar chart for James Comey.
He is a Sagittarian, which means...
I'll go into the birth chart just a little bit.
And you, Carrie, I know that you...
We are an amateur student of astrology, but I also know that you and I have worked together, whether on your chart or other charts, so if you'd like to jump in, please do.
Okay, well, I'm going to let you take the reins here.
If there's something that occurs to me, I will certainly say it or question you or whatever, but generally speaking, you know, I haven't really done a lot with this over the years.
Recently, this is something I studied When I was young, I still remember a fair amount of it.
And that makes it maybe more interesting to me than to the average person who hasn't studied it at all.
But I'm very anxious to hear your take on things.
So go ahead.
Absolutely.
I will jump in happily.
So first of all, let me start with the first house, which is right here at 6 a.m.
on the dial, so to speak.
Excuse me, 9 a.m.
on the dial.
We find Sun and Mercury in Sagittarius.
Sagittarians want truth.
They don't lie, but they do exaggerate.
They're funny.
They're terrific.
They tell the truth.
They shoot from the hip.
They can dish it out, but it's sometimes hard for them to take it.
Another fascinating thing about Coney's solar chart, which I happen to like very, very much.
He has a Jupiter-Saturn conjunction in the second house of the solar chart in Capricorn.
Jupiter is God's law.
Saturn is man's law.
They are next to each other.
And it is a magnificent blending of the two.
Now, I know that he has taken a lot of fire from people because he has introduced the Wiener emails, the Huma Abedin emails on her estranged husband's laptop into the mix for Hillary.
And, you know, I'm not going to give any opinions.
I'm just going to read the chart.
I do think that when you have Jupiter and Saturn conjunct in traditional, hard-working Capricorn, that it is a very nice blend of God's Law and Man's Law.
In other words, it's not one over the other, which is really, I think, quite lovely.
He does have Venus in Aquarius.
Venus is our love nature.
It's in his solar third house.
So he's a humanitarian.
This brings a very impersonal Kind of approach to love in general and in his third house to his ideas in particular.
Now, he has his south node in his solar fourth house.
The south node is the area that we have mastered in past lives, but it's in Pisces, which can be somewhat idealistic.
Neptune, the one going round and round right now, The transiting Neptune is sitting right smack dab on his south node, which means it's in opposition to his Pluto north node in the 10th house.
Neptune can dissolve whatever it touches, and when it's in opposition to his north node and Pluto and squaring his Mercury, there can be A certain amount of wishful thinking, but a disillusion, a dissolving of past inspirations, past qualities of home and family and security.
And what it shows here is that while the eclipse of September 1st set right smack dab on his Pluto North Node, which I believe is one of the One of the symptoms of this, one of the outcomes of this is his having made the statement that he did in the last couple of days about these emails.
With Neptune on his south note, that's the vagueness.
Squaring is Mercury.
That's the vagueness.
We've got emails.
We don't know what they say.
We won't know what they say.
We don't know if they have an implication or not, but we got them.
There you go.
There's your Neptune right there.
He has Mars in his 8th house.
Mars is what we fight with or fight for in the 8th house of secrets.
Perfect for FBI directors.
It's in cancer, which is domesticity.
It's our national security, so to speak.
Cancer rules, home, family, real estate, all things that we look to for our emotional security.
And so he is definitely a detective.
With Uranus in his ninth house, this guy has a unique approach, totally rebellious.
So he's not going to want to be told what to do.
However, it's trying his son.
And this gives him a very innovative way of looking at things.
Some of his detractors have said that he was just covering his rear.
We won't know.
I mean, all of this is going to...
Hopefully this will be resolved in a week.
Well, I mean, let me just say that it does...
You know, I have written an article about this for those that are interested in general.
And I have to say that it is interesting because he, as you say, he's got Uranus in the ninth house.
He's going to be something of a rebel in terms of philosophy.
And it looks like we haven't gotten to it yet.
I guess you're still moving on to it.
But if I see it, I think we've got Pluto in the 10th house.
And that's going to be a real game changer.
Now, this is his solar chart.
So he was born with Pluto in his 10th house.
Yes, darling, a solar chart.
But I have seen it work many, many times.
Unfortunately, we can't give an ascendant.
We can't even give a moon sign, but I'm going to go out on a limb and tell you what his moon is in, in one second.
Let me get there.
All right.
Okay.
10th house, as I've mentioned, Neptune has been in opposition to this with Pluto, the planet of control, in his 10th house of Korea, hello, and his north node, which is the area of greatest fulfillment.
This is a very powerful leader who wants control.
However, I tend to use a positive outlook on every single chart that I look at.
You know that over the years.
I'm not, oh my god, chicken little, the sky is falling.
Pluto is also the planet of transformation.
And what can happen is that he can bring about transformation.
However, control is probably, well, control is what you have to work through in order to get to the transformation.
The eclipse on September 1, Which is strongest right now, November, December, and January, triggered his Pluto North node.
And I think this is what we are seeing.
He's saying, I'm making the rules my way.
I'm making a statement.
He's put himself out there, and we'll just have to see where the pieces fall.
Now, his moon, because we don't have a birth time on him, I went to the ephemers.
I did it by hand.
That's the book where all of the planets are listed for every single day of a given year.
Went from Libra, charming, lovely, balanced and harmony Libra.
And he does have a very attractive Libra quality about him.
So he either has that moon in late Libra or his Venus might be close to his ascended or he could have a Libra rising.
However, I don't think he has Libra rising.
I think he has Aquarius rising because he is so tall and people with strong Aquarius in their charts have a different body and a different voice.
There's something different about the way they are built.
The boy is six foot eight.
But I believe, Kerry, that he's got a scorpion in him.
Why?
Because he's dealing with the FBI, which deals with secrets.
There's that Mars in the A. Oh, very interesting, yes.
So I really do feel that he has...
And Scorpio, as we know, is the most powerful sign in the Zodiac.
And it is a detective.
And this is very interesting.
It is very calculating.
It doesn't do things happenstance.
Oh.
You know the old expression, don't get angry, get even, that had to have been coined by a Scorpio.
Hillary is a Scorpio, and I'm kind of wondering about the fallout, if she becomes president, because he has, according to her people, basically thrown her under the bus.
They'll have to see.
Right.
We don't know.
What is this?
Okay, absolutely.
What is the last...
What do you have in the 12th house here?
I'm sorry, I'm not reading your writing clear.
I have to apologize for my handwriting.
Number one, I'm writing in astrological language.
And number two, I always say it's a holdover from a Chinese incarnation.
It's Neptune in 10, Scorpio.
Thank you very much, Scorpio.
22 degrees.
And so Neptune in the 12th and Scorpio is lots of behind-the-scenes secrecy and history.
And next to that, I put New Moon, the New Moon that we just had yesterday on October, two days ago, on October 30th, sat right on his Neptune tree.
Now, yes, it's a solar chart, but this is what we have to work with, and let's just see what shakes out as a result of this.
Because he has stepped up to the plate and said, I'm taking command here.
And there's the Neptune saying, well, I don't know what we got.
We got this, we got that, we got the other, but here it is, folks.
Very interesting, yes.
There's a little more.
There's a little more I want to share with you.
Okay, yes.
Go right ahead.
I apologize once more for my handwriting, Carrie.
Look at Saturn.
I put it in the chart over here.
Saturn is brown.
I don't know what color.
I think it's in your chart, too.
It is approaching his sun.
Saturn is reality.
Now a lot of old-timey astrology books are very negative and they say Saturn is fear, Saturn is restriction.
Please, Saturn is reality.
And when Saturn sits on your Sun, it makes you strong.
And you take charge.
It can make you tough, it can make you hard, yeah, but it gives you strength.
And between now and December, it sits on his Sun.
And in January.
Okay.
Very interesting.
In addition, you have probably tried to figure out that little orange squiggle I put down there.
This is Pluto.
Pluto, the planet of total transformation.
As it moves around your chart, it controls you and then it transforms.
Totally.
It doesn't...
Let's compare it to a house.
Let's say you had a house and you didn't like the front porch.
Pluto would come along.
There's Pluto, the orange planet.
I say Scorpio.
Pluto.
It says, no, we can't just tear down the porch.
We've got to take down the whole house and start all over again.
Pluto has been going through his second house of money and value sitting on that Jupiter-Saturn conjunction.
It's breaking up the Saturn in his second house, Saturn in Capricorn, the traditional approach.
Very, very interesting.
So we have Neptune dissolving that south node, bringing wishful thinking in, Perhaps divine inspiration.
We'll have to wait and see on that.
Saturn making him stronger and Pluto totally transforming his values and perhaps the authority structure in the country.
Very interesting.
Well, let me just say a couple things that I'm seeing here.
I know we don't have a whole lot of time tonight, so I want to move quickly.
I just see the Neptune down at the fourth house.
That is the transiting Neptune.
I get it.
And I have to say that one thing that I noticed about a fourth house Neptune, when it transits, it could actually mean you're going to change homes.
Yes, it takes so long to get through that.
Yeah, I hear you, but we're talking about several years of upheaval, and you've got Pluto in a very practical second house that governs, well, I see it as governing material things.
So what I see is a person who is going to be changing his circumstances in some probably really strong way.
Even right now, this could be what we're seeing.
I think he has, as you say, a very good chart for someone who's in the FBI. It kind of looks like that's true.
He's well-suited to his job, so that's great to know.
And I do think that he went out on a limb.
I think he also did so to make sure that no one could come forward with the result of the election and say that There was something held back and that we didn't have the...
I was going to say the audience.
The people did not have all the cards, and so how could they make an informed voting decision?
So he wanted to make sure that didn't happen.
So I would say he looks like an honorable guy.
I do say that I've seen...
I've done a little investigation of him, and he has a history...
Of sticking to his guns and kind of being willing to go out on a limb for his, you know, beliefs.
So that's important and certainly a great thing to have an FBI director.
Let's move on because we have...
One more thing.
Yes.
One more thing.
Pluto on his Saturn, Saturn in Capricorn particularly, is government.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
Okay.
There he is transforming the government.
Right.
Okay.
Okay.
So now we have, I have Uma Albedee.
I'm not sure how to say her last name.
Abedin.
Abedin.
Okay, Abedin.
And Anthony Weiner.
Okay.
You know, I do want to go kind of quickly over them because, you know, the real guts of the matter here is going to be Hillary and, obviously, Trump.
So, what do you have to say about Uma and her ex-partner, Anthony?
Yes, yes.
Okay.
Well, the first thing that I saw with Puma, she's got one, two, three, four, five planets in Leo.
The last eclipse, one of the last eclipses, and I'm going to move this along, September 1st sat on her Mars.
Mars in Virgo in her second house of money and values.
When you have an eclipse on your Mars, you get angry.
You absolutely You're ready to bust loose.
But the new moon that we just had in 7 of Scorpio sits on her Uranus and her north node in her fourth house.
Uranus in your fourth is rebellion in your domicile, in your family.
And so her rebellion has been triggered for the next couple of years.
Well till the full moon which will be in 22 of Taurus and I think it's the 13th 14th of this moon, but I want you to see Weiner's chart.
This is just amazing.
Okay.
He has one two three four planets in Virgo details details details And so he has his son conjunct Uranus and Conjunct Pluto, which everybody in his karmic group has the Uranus-Pluto conjunction.
That is people born in the mid-60s.
And so he is a rebel, but he is a controlled rebel with Pluto there.
The eclipse on September 1st triggered all of his planets in Virgo, one of which was his sun.
When you have an eclipse on your sun, it's a whole new life for you.
Not a new book, not a new chapter, a new book.
Neptune...
Has been opposing that.
And so while he's thinking great thoughts about himself, Neptune is dissolving.
His ego, what he has accomplished.
So it's like his chart is like, yes, I'm the greatest, but there's a tire.
He's like a tire with a slow leak in it.
And the new moon that we just had sits on his Neptune, which is a lot of wishful thinking and idealism.
An obfuscation.
So, anything you want to add?
Well, if I'm reading this right, you're saying Neptune is transiting his seventh house.
Of course, dissolving the relationship.
Absolutely.
And Neptune takes forever to move through a house.
And this has been dragging for a while because he was never married for a while.
She stood by her man, Tammy Wynette.
And after a while, she said, I can't take this anymore.
I don't see her having the issue that he has because she is not the one sexting.
Yeah, of course not.
Well, no, she's a Leo, isn't she?
So she's a very outgoing, probably fairly outspoken individual.
I'm looking, she has Jupiter in her 10th, which is in Taurus.
So she's a very practical individual, practical with regard to work as well.
So she's going to be something of a pragmatist.
I'm not sure what else to see here.
I guess she's got Neptune in her fifth in Sag.
That's an interesting...
Adores her children.
Yeah.
Fairly altruistic in regard to the children as well.
Well, and idealistic.
Yes.
When you have Neptune in your fifth house, you don't see your children as they are.
They're fabulous.
They're fabulous.
They can do no wrong.
But she has the Sun conjunct Saturn in Leo.
So she's got a wall that she's built around her.
She's strong.
Her Moon is in Leo.
No matter what time of day she was born.
Venus is in Leo, so she's very dramatic and loving.
And Mercury's in Leo, far enough away from the Sun to be very objective.
So she is truly the great, grand, glorious Leo.
And she is the...
A strong one.
She's got Mars.
I can't read this.
What is Mars in here?
Mars is in Virgo in her second house and the eclipse of September 1st sat on it.
She's loaded for bear.
Mars in Virgo, you know, great attention to detail in her case, as well as, I would say, something of a materialistic go-getter, you know, kind of driven in that way.
Putting Mars in the second house, you're going to go after material things.
All right, well, that's great.
So can we move on to...
To the nitty-gritty.
Yeah, so let's do Trump since he is the one that you've got the most goods on, so to speak.
And then we'll come.
Let's follow that with Hillary.
And we can do the other candidates if we have time.
But just because we're on a short leash here, I'd like to make sure we get these two in any way.
Absolutely.
Absolutely, sweetheart.
I mean, here we go.
Well, let's look at the election chart because, naturally, that's next week in the inauguration chart.
And I believe, if I remember correctly, I've already done these charts on your show, and I'm going to go over them again now since timing is everything.
First of all, I'm going to do the diurnal charts, and the diurnals are absolutely spectacular.
I love them.
This is Trump for the day of the election, New York City, where he will be.
We only put the planets that are within one degree of a cusp.
When they are within one degree of a cusp and the event occurs the way we think it will occur, we know that the birth time is accurate.
From doing his chart for the RNC, I can tell you this is his accurate birth time.
And I'm happy to give it out if I can find it, but I can't find it right now.
So, on the day of the election, he has transiting Venus right on the Ascendant.
Well, Venus is 25 Sag, 43.
The Ascendant is 26 Sag, 13.
Venus is going to be behind the Ascendant by one degree pretty much every day, but it's close enough so that he feels really good about himself.
Venus, love.
And when you love yourself, everybody else loves you.
The thing is, I have seen so many charts.
Of political candidates who have Venus on their ascent at the day of the election.
Well, of course, it's their day.
They're happy.
It's wonderful, but it doesn't mean they're going to win.
It just means they have a great day.
Okay, so let's look at the inauguration chart.
And this is the one That I've flipped on.
I've gone one way and then I've gone another and I'm still not sure which way I'm going to go.
So I'm going to present it and let our audience decide.
This is the day of the inauguration.
This chart is cast for Washington DC. This chart will only be accurate if Trump is in Washington DC on the day of the inauguration now.
Does it mean he's going to be inaugurated?
Well, I can't imagine why he'd be in Washington, D.C. if he wasn't going to be inaugurated, but who knows?
If he's in New York City, this will not be true.
So what it shows here is the ascendant is 24 Pisces, 22, and I've written it out here.
Transiting Mars, the trigger, the gun, the pivotal piece of information, 24 Pisces, 18th.
Now when I first saw this back in 2015, remember I dealt with lots and lots and lots of diurnals, political diurnals, and I showed President Obama's diurnals for both elections and his inaugurations.
They're on my YouTube channel, Maxine Taylor Astrologer.
I didn't bring Obama's charts tonight, but you can see them and you'll understand why I said There's nothing up here at the tenth house which indicates a career victory, or the seventh which means other people.
This is a totally me, me, me chart.
This is not an opinion.
This is not a judgment.
This is Mars on the Ascendant.
We know what Mars on the Ascendant does.
After saying, I'm sorry he doesn't have the kind of diurnal that he needs to be president, after seeing him for a year, I started thinking, wait a second, this is a different kind of guy.
And this could very well be a totally personal victory for him.
So he is very different from any candidate we've ever had.
I've left room for his diurnal to be very different from any that I've ever done.
Moving over...
Okay, can I ask one question here, though, about that chart?
I am curious.
Don't you have the moon here?
The one planet you've highlighted here?
And it's in...
I don't have that in front of me.
I'm seeing it far away.
Is that a Scorpio or what?
That's eight degrees of Scorpio in the eighth house.
Okay, now that's very interesting because I would say there's something hidden going on there.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And we're talking about politics, for goodness sake, so it's almost a given.
It's like dysfunctional in family.
They have to go together.
Well, yes, there is something hidden.
It shows the emotional tone that he's going through.
Remember, this is what he is personally experiencing.
Now, for anybody else who was not running for office that day, Pretend this is not his inauguration chart.
Pretend this is Joe Blow from Kokomo.
And we've done his chart, his diurnal for that particular day.
I would say this guy is shot out of a cannon.
Don't get in front of him.
It's my way or the highway.
He is loaded for bear.
He is doing exactly what he wants to do.
He's doing what he wants, when he wants, how he wants, because he can't.
Okay, but Mars and Pisces, you're getting that from Mars and Pisces?
I'm getting that from Mars on the Ascendant.
Pisces?
Pisces, doesn't it just, you know, makes everything very murky?
I see Pisces as very sort of wishy-washy and not able to go any one direction, so he might be all over the place that day.
Well, not with Mars on his Ascendant, baby.
This is a very mundane kind of chore.
All right.
When you have Mars on your Ascendant, you leap.
You do what you want.
Now, I'm going to give you a gold star and say that with Pisces there, there can be something obscured.
Right.
And that would go along with the Scorpio.
So I would say something very, very unclear in his horizon at that moment.
Now, whether he is, I don't know, what is his sun sign?
Gemini.
Oh, but see, you know, I don't think Pisces on the, in Mars and Pisces on the Ascendant, for a Gemini, this is, a Gemini likes to be clear.
A Gemini likes to, you know, is a pretty aggressive sign, I would say, generally speaking.
But how can you take action if one, things are hidden, and two, things are a little bit, as you say, obscured.
I would say foggy.
Well, let me throw this out.
For all of the Pisceans out there.
Pisces rules, and I know that Leo is a very dramatic sign, but Pisces is the drama queen.
There is flamboyancy, there's drama, and I thought, my word, what would this bring with it for an inauguration?
I don't know, but it's very dramatic.
It can be more dramatic than Leo.
Remember, Leo rules by divine right.
Pisces is totally showman, which is fabulous.
You might say, well, so is Leo.
But think about some of our greatest musicians, our greatest artists.
They have so much Neptune, so much Pisces in their chart.
So once again...
Well, it's also rules drugs and, you know, we're talking about the dissolving of boundaries, really.
So that's it.
It's very interesting.
Now, I did want to jump back to the day of the election on him just before we leave him.
I guess you're you're not planning to do his solar chart, I'm guessing.
Unless you want to say something.
But what about, just to go back to the day of the election, because I think a lot of people are interested in that.
So what you see is Venus in Sag.
Is that what you've got here again?
Venus in Sag is right on the diurnal ascended.
It's just a little behind it.
So he's going into the election feeling really good about himself.
And...
I always look for the day afterwards.
Where do we have that?
I've moved the Ascendant.
This is for November 8th.
On November 9th, the Ascendant still moves forward.
And so does Venus, transiting Venus.
And so Venus remains behind the Ascendant.
So it doesn't cross over into the first house, is what you're saying.
Exactly.
Oh, that's interesting.
Don't you think it is?
Well, you know, we might interpret that differently, but, you know, I see, you know, the 12th house has to do with the hidden, the secret, transformation, and also prisons, removing yourself from society, meditation, things of that nature.
So that's sort of a strange placement, if it's behind, as you say, behind The Ascendant.
If it was in the first house, you might think something different.
Now, it does move in the second day into the first house is what you're saying.
Or no, it doesn't.
The Ascendant moves so quickly that Venus remains.
Oh, so it never gets it to the...
All right.
Well, that does not, in my personal view, bode terribly well.
But perhaps he's done a good job at something.
Yeah.
We will see.
I know his birth time is accurate.
I remember he had said at some point in the political festivities, I'm being facetious, that he didn't want to give out his birth information or his birth time or something about his birth.
And I thought, I haven't.
Ask me.
I'll give it to you.
Oh, great.
So now I'm going to his, just briefly, to his natal chart for people because I think there will be some astrologers in the audience that watch this and might be interested to see what you came up with.
You have, if I understand it correctly, It's not easy to read because you've kind of been a little brief here, but I think you say Mars is conjunct his ascendant in his natal chart.
Is that correct?
Mars is one degree behind his ascendant in his natal chart.
And this is what makes him the fighter that he is.
And what is his ascendant in?
29 degrees of Leo.
Here.
In Leo.
Leo rising.
Okay.
This is the actual chart.
It's Hold on one second.
I'm going to get you on the screen because I've been showing that chart you had.
So just one second here.
His Mars is 26 Leo 47.
His Ascendant is 29 Leo 58.
Oh, wow.
Close enough.
Now, you know and I know 29 degrees of any sign is what we consider to be a critical degree, meaning it's important.
It doesn't mean you're critical as in death, but it means you're finishing up a lesson.
That you started in some prior incarnation.
What I'm going to do is back this up and make it easier to read.
Very interesting.
And so with 29 Degrees, this is showman, drama, I'm thinking reality show, and Leo rules by defined right.
Now the ruler of his chart, the ruler of his chart, is the ruler of the Ascendant, just as whatever planet rules your Ascendant is the ruler of your chart.
The ruler of his chart is the Sun, and it's up there in his tenth house of career, publicity, popularity.
He has Uranus up there also.
Expect the unexpected from him, and he has certainly illustrated that in his entire career, he is totally a rebel.
It is conjunct his north node, Uranus is conjunct his north node, and the north node is conjunct his son, and so the north node falls in the 10th house of power and authority and career, and it's the area where you find your greatest success.
And so being the leader, being the showman, very, very important.
Interestingly enough, his progressed son Which is the symbolic movement of the sun forward, which we use when we forecast.
I know, Carrie, you know what that is.
It's 29 degrees, 51 minutes.
It's on his ascendant this year.
It has been on his ascendant.
Now, a lot of people say, oh, well, then he's going to win.
No, it just means the attention is on him.
Just because somebody has the sun on their ascendant, it doesn't mean they're going to be president of the United States.
But it does indicate a great deal of It's personal attention from yourself and coming into your own.
And I really think that Trump feels that he has come into his own.
I could be wrong, but there he is.
There's the sun up there.
And there's Uranus saying, I am going to be the most unpredictable president you ever saw.
I'm going to do things my way.
Now, looking at his 11th house, doesn't that just Now let me go to this chart so that you can hopefully see it more clearly.
I don't guarantee it, but at least you can see it better.
I'm going to take this over here.
The 11th house makes him a disguised Aquarian.
Let me explain this.
If you have planets in your 10th house, you're a disguised Capricorn.
If you've got them in the 11th, you're a disguised Aquarian.
In the 12th, you're a disguised Pisces.
In the fourth, it disguised Cancerian.
You take on the qualities of that house.
Well, he has a very strong humanitarian bent in his chart.
He has his Mercury there.
He thinks like an Aquarian.
Mercury, Saturn, and Venus are all in Cancer.
What a unique placement for nurturing sensitive Cancer.
And because they're in Cancer, this makes him sensitive.
And this is why he can be considered thin-skinned, because he takes things very personally.
Mercury is not conjunct Saturn or Venus, but Mercury in his 11th house, he thinks in terms of groups.
He does very well with groups.
He has Saturn there.
He is the leader in groups.
He has to be the leader.
And he's got Venus there, so he loves being with groups.
There is a humanitarian side to him.
He's got Pluto, the controller, in 10 Leo, behind the scenes.
Now, Pluto is a representative of mother or grandmother, so the female authority figure in his life has him by the scruff of the neck, so to speak, telling him that she's in control.
This is all on a subconscious level, because that's the subconscious thing.
Area of the chart, but what it says mundanely is he has to be in control from behind the scenes and with Mars three degrees off of his ascendant in his 12th house.
Again, these are in Leo.
Mars and Leo fights very dramatically and so there's a lot going on behind the scenes that will not come to light.
Oh, right.
Well, very interesting.
Yes, I can see that Now, look at his second house.
Neptune and Jupiter are in his second house.
Well, isn't that the same thing as Comey has right now?
Am I got that confused?
No, he has Saturn in Jupiter.
So, okay.
Yeah, and remember, that's a solar chart for him, but yes.
Yes, absolutely.
You can see I give more credence to the natal.
Now, he has Neptune in Libra and Jupiter in Libra.
Neptune in the second house...
Brings about, you're not going to believe this, a non-materialistic attitude, number one.
It also knows that money's always going to come.
It's like, someday, true.
Well, he's got Jupiter there.
That is his dream come true.
So he goes from one extreme to the other, it would seem.
Well, and also, he has gone bankrupt a few times, and that's the loss of money.
Yes, uh-huh.
Now, Jupiter is three degrees behind his third cusp.
Four degrees behind his third cusp.
So some people might see Jupiter expansion, abundance, behind his third house cusp of communication.
He's a talker.
Number one, he's a Gemini.
He's a talker.
But Jupiter there also.
Also, just keeping it in the second house, yes, when he makes money, he makes it big.
But wherever Neptune is, it's a tire with a slow leak.
That's what I call it.
You can quote me.
Okay, what do you mean by that?
Okay, you know, when you're driving along and you've got a slow leak in your tire, you fill it up with air.
But there's always a drain.
You've got to stop at a gas station, make sure the tire is inflated.
But I would see Jupiter is the beneficent.
Jupiter is giving you blessings.
So wherever Jupiter is in your chart, you've got a blessing.
He's got both.
That's the deal.
He's got both.
And it can make you over optimistic.
Because Jupiter can be Jupiter is optimism.
So, it could be that he comes up smelling like a rose, even though there is some mystery involved.
Sure.
Okay.
All right.
Well, I would say he also likes to talk about money.
He likes to talk about material things.
He talks.
You know, if he has success, he's going to talk about it.
He's a Gemini anyway.
But that's interesting.
Yeah.
What are you saying?
Is that the south node or north node in the fifth house?
In the fourth house, yeah.
The south node can jump the moon.
His south node is 20 Sag, his moon is 21 Sag.
Now, Sagittarius, Komi is a Sagittarian.
With a moon in Sagittarius, wherever the moon is, is where you look for your emotional security, and that was where your mommy told you to look for it.
So there he is looking for it in real estate and with family.
And interestingly enough, at the RNC, after Cruz, Refused to endorse Trump.
On that very same night, or the night after, it was right around that.
No, it was the same night.
His moon was on the diurnal nadir, diurnal fourth cusp.
His son, Eric, it was the next day.
His son, Eric, took a stand for his father.
Oh, yeah.
I thought, well, there you go.
There it is.
Eric said beautiful things about his father, as he would expect his son to do.
So his need for the emotional security of home and family is very, very important.
And the mere fact that he's married so often indicates that he wants that.
His children are very important to him.
He's got the vertex in his fifth house.
But this home and family thing is also, fourth house is also real estate.
Okay.
And the south node can be slowly, even though it's...
Isn't it...
Tell me which is...
I can't remember.
I always get this mixed up.
Either we're going towards our north node as being the best direction to go, or we're going towards the south node.
I think the south is the past and the north is the future.
Is that right?
Yes, it is.
And keep in mind, the north node is the dragon's head, the south node is the dragon's tail.
They're head and tail of the same dragon.
You've got to use both of them.
In other words, people say, oh, I don't want to go where my south node is because they'll be lost there.
They've been reading old-timey negative astrology books.
You can't cut the dragon in half.
You find your emotional fulfillment where the south node is.
You're instinctively drawn to it.
You're good at it because you've mastered it.
And now you're going to use the North Node.
Ah, okay.
Now look, I want to say something about this chart because I just noticed this and I think this is interesting.
I don't know what you have to say about this.
I see his Pluto in his 12th house.
I think that that's a big problem.
Now, I don't know how you view it.
I see Pluto transformation, its destruction.
You know, it was also symbolized by the atomic bomb, etc.
So we're talking about some major changes in his internal self.
I see there's going to be some retreating from society at some point in his life.
Maybe there already has.
Maybe a difficult childhood.
I would say I am not so sure about that placement in terms of where he's at now and what you read to me about the election day and this and that.
He's got Pluto in the 12th house.
A lot of payback, a lot of karmic debt, that sort of thing, and a lot of secrecy.
So, hard to say, you know, but it's what you might call, or what I would call, a problematic placement for Pluto.
Darling, I have to agree with you on that.
As you know, the 12th house is the house of hidden Enemies right when you Pluto there you are going to squash them you are going to control them I think with Mars in the 12th as well as Pluto there is a great deal of what we've seen a great deal of anger Fortunately Mars is close enough to the Ascendant where it shows itself if it were buried more deeply in the 12th there would be figuratively
I'm not saying literally dead bodies You know, because he would have to take out his anger away from crying eyes.
He takes out his control.
He uses his control away from crying eyes.
But I think the good news for him is that he does express that anger and gets it out of his system.
But I have to agree with you on what you said about Putin.
Okay.
All right.
Well, fascinating.
So now we, I think at this point we move to Hillary, right?
We do.
And here again, I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
After the DNC, I realized that the birth time was wrong because Uranus on the Midheaven showed up Sunday night when Debbie Wasserman Schultz ran into a little bit of trouble and it affected Hillary.
So here's what I'm going to share.
The presidential election.
And I'm using the 8.02 a.m.
birth time.
I don't have the confidence in it that I would like to have, but I am going to interpret the election based on the fact that I have this chart.
Okay?
And once again, please don't hold me to this.
I'm not a Virgo, but when it comes to charts, I turn into a Virgo.
I want absolute Perfect time, birth time.
And that's, Carrie, as you know, not always easy.
Okay, I don't know.
It looks like I didn't get that particular one, so I'm going to have to rely on yours.
I got a natal, what is, I guess, a quasi-natal chart for her.
Okay.
But what you're showing on the screen right now is, as you called it, the diurnal, right?
Yes, this is the diurnal for the election.
Okay, so let's take a look.
Next week.
A week from today, and I understand she's going to be in the Jacob Javits Center, which is in New York City.
You know, with the diurnal, it's got to be for the place where the event takes place.
If the birth time is accurate, she too has first house planets in her diurnal, not for the inauguration, but for the election.
Transiting of the ascendant in the diurnal is 14 sedge 59.
Call it 15.
Transiting Saturn is 15 Sagittarius.
Progressing Jupiter is 15 Sagittarius.
She has God's Law and Man's Law sitting on her Ascendant.
This could, once again, they both have first house activity.
I would think that Venus would be lovely, as Trump has it, but that this would be Saturn is reality.
Jupiter is optimism.
What do you think, Carrie?
Oh, don't put that on me.
No, it's very interesting.
Sagittarius in the first house on the day of the election is what you're telling me.
And these are transits on that day.
Is that correct?
Saturn, transiting Saturn, progressed Jupiter.
The progressed planets hold more weight than anything.
Okay, but before we go into that, can I ask you, does she have any natal planets in the first house?
Hang on, sweetheart.
Well, yes.
She has this...
She has the South Node and Jupiter in the first house.
Oh, so is she going to...
Technically, perhaps, Jupiter conjunct Jupiter in the first house?
No, sweetheart.
She's got Jupiter...
Transiting Jupiter conjunct...
Progress Jupiter?
What are you saying?
Yes.
I'm looking for her printout.
I've got so many charts here.
Just bear with me.
I'm doing this as fast as I can, baby.
No problem.
Maybe I'm confusing things here.
I just wanted to see what...
Because if you've got a transit in a house on that day, it's also interesting to know what your natal planets are doing on that day.
Yes, it is.
If I remember correctly...
Well, she's got...
I brought the simplified chart to make it simple, and now it's confusing everything.
Okay, that's okay.
You did send me what is your idea of her natal chart, and I see you said Jupiter in the first, and is that the north node or the south node?
That's the south node in the first, and if I remember correctly, Jupiter is in Sagittarius in her first house.
Oh, so it's going to be right where it is transiting as well.
Yes.
It's progressed.
It's progressed.
Okay.
That's a very positive, I mean, you know, that is a very positive placement, one would have to say, regardless of what happens to the election.
To have Jupiter in your first house on the day of an election, I think that, I don't know if I could think of another place for it.
Well, the thing is that you've got Saturn with it.
So it's, Yeah, and absolutely.
You know, one thing about Saturn, though, that you didn't mention this, and I've heard this, and I actually have, I think I've experienced it in my own life.
If you've earned something, you get it when Saturn is transiting wherever you are.
So, in other words, it gives you, if you have rewards, if you've worked hard, you get your rewards.
If you haven't worked hard and you've done something, whatever, you get payback.
Saturn is basically, they say, the taskmaster, the one that symbolizes time in a certain way.
It is.
Saturn does rule time.
I tend to look at Saturn a little more kindly than that.
But also, Saturn is your responsibility.
You have to respond to your personal ability.
I don't see it as the taskmaster, per se.
I see it in some people's charts as fear and restriction.
If they are not taking their responsibility, meaning respond to their ability.
I do believe that Hillary will respond to her ability.
But if you're going to be honored, if you're going to win a prize, if you're going to get an Academy Award, this also, this is the other side of Saturn.
It is rewards for hard work.
Yes, it is.
Yes, it is.
And let me get back to the diurnal instead of waving her birth to her.
So, we've run over time, haven't we?
Well, I guess we have.
Now, I know that people might have some questions here, but at least you've gotten through everything that was really critical.
Do you have anything else to say about Hillary that, you know, just because she got a lot less time in this instance...
Do you want to say anything else interpretive of...
I guess we didn't even look at the inauguration.
And again, this is speculative because you don't have an accurate time for her.
Is that right?
That's the problem.
Absolutely.
That's the problem.
And I hate to speculate.
Her chart for the inauguration does not have anything angular.
And that's the part that bothers me.
And that's the part that said to me, either she is not going to win, because the inauguration chart tells it very often, or the birth time is wrong.
And after the DNC, I felt that the birth time was wrong.
So what I'd like to do is leave it where we got it, and in a week, we will all know.
All right.
Fascinating.
Well, I guess we don't have time for questions.
Is that right?
I don't know if I see any crucial questions here.
I'd be glad to answer any that people might have.
Okay.
I guess some people, yeah, they're kind of asking the obvious.
Like, what is your prediction?
I thought we had covered that.
I don't have a prediction, unfortunately.
I would love to.
Okay, let me ask you this.
If you had her exact time and you felt confident about that, would you then be able to be confident enough to have made a prediction tonight?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
In fact, with all the videos that I've done on my YouTube channel, if I knew her exact time was The time that we were given was accurate.
I'd have made the prediction way back when.
Even then, because it was Mark DD on AstroDataBank, I knew that I was on shaky ground.
And I'll tell you something else that I've decided also, and this I decided years ago.
I've been an astrologer Professionally, since 1970.
I began studying astrology in 1966.
When I opened my doors as an astrologer, I was terrified for years because I realized the power that somebody has when people entrust their birth data to you, when they come to you for help.
And I wanted very, very much to be accurate.
If I can't be accurate, I cannot stand on my word.
I have nothing to stand on.
A person who is an astrologer or a psychic or a healer, we tend to listen to them.
And I take my responsibility very, very seriously.
So when people are saying, oh, well, what do you think?
What do you think?
What do you think?
I think I don't have an accurate birth time.
And to be...
Come from integrity.
I have to say, I cannot give an accurate answer to that question.
Okay, now let me ask you this.
Why don't we have an accurate birth time for Hillary?
I'm just curious.
Do we know why?
No, we don't.
That's excellent.
And I'll tell you, this is a true story.
For years, and remember, I've been doing this for decades.
We went with the 802 birth time for Hillary.
After, I forget what position she was running for, but after that election, all of a sudden, there was an 8 p.m.
birth time that was bantered about.
And I thought, oh, shoot.
There we go.
So I worked on that chart.
Well, that chart gave her a Gemini ascendant, and she doesn't have a Gemini ascendant.
There's no way she has a Gemini ascended.
So I thought, well, who's muddy in the waters?
Why is this new birth time coming out now?
Being of a suspicious nature from time to time and not believing what I'm told just because somebody says it.
I don't know, Carrie.
And she is a Scorpio, and she's got one, two, three, So perhaps that's why.
Why do you think Oh, well, I've never, you know, I wasn't aware that it was a secret until you kind of told me that it wasn't clear.
I think that's very interesting.
I do think that someone in her position, knowing what I... I wouldn't want it out there because astrologers can be quite accurate with, you know, predicting behavior or at least even, you know, something of this nature.
And I think, of course, now I've said this before, but of course, we were told many years ago that she was going to run in this election and that she was going to win.
And that was like, I don't know, it could have been as many as eight years ago, maybe six years ago, whenever it was.
So we don't know if she's going to win.
We don't even know if she's going to win by legal means.
And that goes for all the elections we've had, as far as I'm concerned, since President Kennedy was assassinated.
And so was his brother, Bobby.
And they, in essence, went off the reservation, so to speak.
I believe that the people behind the scenes have decided or decided back then that they weren't going to let that happen again.
And so they will take control regardless.
She is fully read in on the agenda.
And she is someone who knows what's going on, exactly what's going on here on planet Earth.
And she's very well aware of that.
The ET visitation, etc., etc., and I wrote quite a substantial article about that just a day ago, and that's on my front page for anyone who's interested.
So if you want to know what I think about all that, then read my article.
But, yeah, I can understand, well understand why she wouldn't want her birth date, her true birth date out there.
She does seem scorpionic, if that's the question.
I think that's true.
But, you know, I think she, I will say, you know, if you were to ask me, looking what I'm looking at there, I think she's, I think she, even her chart looks like she might win, if what you've drawn there is at all accurate.
Just because of what I see there.
But, you know, maybe someone else will have a different impression, and you have already indicated there is more than one way to read these things on the diurnal.
And it is fascinating.
So, you know, that's what makes horse races, as they say.
Yeah?
Absolutely.
And I looked at the United States chart to see if I could determine.
I did my own diurnal on the diurnals of my friends.
You know, I did everything I could think of.
Interestingly enough, in the United States chart, one of the eclipses that we had was in the 10th house.
The 10th house is the party in power.
Another eclipse was in the 4th house.
That's the party out of power.
And I thought...
They're both triggered.
There is so much that we will never know about what goes on in politics.
Right.
Well, I think we're finding out more and more, you know, the cats out of the bag.
You know, WikiLeaks has made sure of that.
Project Camelot, my own company, has done our damnedest in that regard, and many other people.
People are being interviewed, and stuff is leaking out right, left, and center.
So, yeah.
There are things we may never know, but I think we're going to get pretty darn close, if you ask me.
Well, and I was thinking, no matter what the election...
Well, if Trump is elected, I will follow him weekly because I know his chart is accurate.
If Hillary is elected, I don't know what I'm going to do.
I may wind up doing a solar chart.
There may be this new app that I've heard about that helps you rectify a chart.
Rectifying a chart is a very difficult, very lengthy process to go through.
But if there's an app that's helpful, I heard that there is a birth time form now at 2 p.m.
with some minutes afterwards, which is totally different than what we can do.
Wow.
Okay.
Yeah.
So I will be following, I can promise everybody, I will be following whoever our president is.
It'll be on my YouTube channel, Maxine Taylor Astrologer.
And probably something on my website, MaxineTaylor.com.
Please feel free if you have questions.
I'm interested.
No, don't tell me your philosophy of what you do with astrology.
Please, you know, I'm glad you have one.
I'm not talking to you, Carrie.
I'm talking about the people out there who send me all kinds of information on the techniques that they use and all this stuff.
Whatever works for you.
It's true.
Okay.
Well, thank you so much, Maxine.
And actually, I'm seeing that there's something strange going on with our show, so I'm hoping that we're still actually broadcasting.
Oh, God.
Something funny just happened.
So anyway, I'll hope for the best and hope my recording is a good one.
Thank you so much.
You know, I don't know if we broke the bank or what happened here, but, you know, I watch it on another screen and the other screen has gone completely black.
So I have no idea what's going on.
Anyway, thank you so much for being on the show, and thank you for being on my network, and have a great night.
And thanks, everyone.
I'll be back tomorrow night with Chris Kaler talking about quantum healing.
All right.
Good night.
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