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Oct. 17, 2016 - Project Camelot

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TONY GOSLING: JOURNALIST : STATE OF THE PLANET - GLOBAL POLITICS

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	Hi, everyone.
	This is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and Tony Gosling is running late.
	We're not even sure if he's going to make it.
	I'm not sure what happened, but we have a call in to him, and I'm told maybe he'll make it in the next half hour.
	In the meantime, I was planning to do a show tomorrow.
	That was open lines and taking questions for Mark Richards, Captain Mark Richards, of the Secret Space Program.
	And so I guess I'll just start doing that now.
	And I put it out on my Twitter.
	And if you have my Twitter, I believe it's just Project Camelot.
	That's my Twitter.
	So you should be able to Twitter me questions.
	And hopefully those will show up in the right place where I can see them.
	The other thing is, if you're listening to this broadcast and you're on YouTube already, you will see there's a chat room.
	And in the chat room, you can put questions for Mark Richards.
	So what I'm basically doing is, at the end of this week, I am going to visit Mark Richards.
	And for those of you who don't know, he is a, or was, a captain in the secret space And his father was also a very high level.
	I guess he was in the military in Navy and Mark was actually Air Force, I think it was.
	But Mark Richards has been in prison now for 30 years, over 30 years.
	He was framed for a murder.
	And he obviously, he did not commit it.
	He was actually framed for supposedly being the mastermind behind a murder that two other people committed.
	And this was in Marin County.
	You can look it up on the internet and find all kinds of information about it.
	Some will be, you know, true, some false, as usual.
	So that's the situation.
	He did not commit the murder and he did not mastermind the murder.
	But he was off-planet as part of the secret space program at the time.
	And...
	And he also had an alibi.
	He was having lunch with his mother at some point, too, which, you know, went on.
	So, you know, it covered some time.
	I guess they're plotting and all this kind of craziness.
	Anyway, there is a guy in prison who actually committed the murder, and I'm not sure what the status is on that guy.
	So, anyway, I've interviewed him four times, and this will be my fifth.
	And so what I'm doing now is just opening the floor for people to ask good questions for Mark Richards that have not already been asked.
	And that means...
	That in essence, if you decide to ask questions, you should really have seen the last four interviews and be fairly familiar.
	But, you know, you can still ask any question you like.
	And if we don't have, you know, obvious information already, then we will ask him when I see him.
	And I go to visit him with Joanne Richards.
	And so that's what goes on.
	And she's a lovely person.
	As you may know, she has a show.
	On my PCTV network channel, and she often is actually dispensing the information that Mark has given her over the years, doing a very good job of it as well.
	So if you're not familiar with that, there are plenty of shows you can catch up on.
	Joanne Richards on the Project Camelot TV network channel, as opposed to what you're on right now, which is just Project Camelot.
	Sort of personal channel, I guess you might call it, or Camelot channel.
	Anyway, because as some people know that I did try to raise funding to create this Project Camelot TV network that would involve giving other broadcasters and journalists and investigators shows on my network so that they could reach the audience I have, which is quite substantial.
	Right now, the audience sits at about 140,000 subscribers, and we're about 46 million viewers worldwide.
	So that's where we're at.
	It's quite a large channel, as you can appreciate.
	However, Project Camelot TV Network has some very good investigators and You know, talk show hosts, and I can just name a few of them.
	Scott Bennett, who is a whistleblower, has his own show on a weekly basis, as does, let's see, Rebecca Jernigan, an excellent broadcaster in her own right, and she does weekly shows, sometimes more than once a week, I believe.
	And who else?
	Well, Joanne Richards, as I mentioned, has her show.
	And, uh, and others, uh, there that, um, I think, let me see, I don't have the list in front of me.
	So it's, I have about, I think around five to eight, uh, We started out with, and I'm not sure what the exact tally of broadcasters is at this time.
	Tommy Hawksblood is another excellent sort of investigator, UFO investigator, and talk show host.
	He's on my network.
	So if you haven't ever gone over to Project Camelot TV network, it is linked on my website.
	All you have to do is go to the drop-down On projecthelmetportal.com and click on channels and you'll see the PCTV network there and so on.
	So at this time, what I'm doing is collecting questions for Mark Richards.
	So if you're listening to this and you wanted to hear Tony Gosling, he is invited and we set this up and he agreed to it and everything.
	But then I'm not sure what happened.
	Something intervened.
	We're kind of waiting for him.
	But in the meantime, we're gathering questions for Mark Richards.
	So you can put that in the chat, and I'm going to actually get my other computer and see what I can find over here.
	I have to hold it up because it's way on my far left, usually on the ground.
	So, hold on a second here, and I'll just see if there's anything in the chat.
	And then if you just want to ask me questions in general, certainly we have time now to do some questions.
	And so what I'll do is...
	I don't know if there's anyone on the channel, let's say, on the chat, who might want to help me out.
	But if there is, what you could do to help me out, if there's anyone sort of on an admin level that, you know, type of thing that doesn't mind copying and pasting, if you could copy and paste all the questions for Mark Richards into a document...
	And just send it to me.
	And that would be very helpful.
	The alternative is, of course, to email me a question.
	And again, I'm leaving, I guess it's this Friday.
	So I interviewed him on Saturday.
	And I have to drive up to Northern California.
	So it's like a five, six-hour drive.
	And I stay overnight up there and then go see him in the morning the next day with his wife, Joanne Richards.
	So that's how it kind of works out.
	And...
	I'm only allowed like this little tiny pencil and then a little, a couple papers.
	So we can take some notes, but I am not allowed to have any recording device, which is strange because, you know, like a recording device is not exactly...
	Something that's going to interfere or be used as a weapon.
	But the real weapon there would, of course, be getting the truth out.
	And it would be more powerful, I certainly acknowledge, if Mark Richards was able to put this out on his own and basically, in his own words, allow me to interview him even on audio.
	Instead of having me do this, like, total recall thing that I need to do when I'm interviewing him, which is actually extremely exhausting.
	It takes a tremendous amount of, I guess you'd call it focus, to sit and I ask him question after question and to get his answers and remember them all because the pencil inevitably runs out of ink.
	I mean, not ink, but...
	Lead.
	And, you know, it's like one of those little toy pencils.
	And also writing with one of those, as you may know, is extremely difficult.
	So taking notes with it is kind of a joke in the end.
	But that's how it goes.
	Some people don't realize that I'm the only journalist who has gone through the process of being vetted in order to interview him.
	So You have to have the prison system vet you, and I guess a lot of people are hesitant to do that.
	I'm not sure exactly why if you're a journalist, but nonetheless.
	So no one else has taken the time to do what I do.
	And this man has been in prison again for 30 years.
	His information has now been backed up and substantiated by a new whistleblower that came out just this year called William Tompkins.
	And if you haven't heard of William Tompkins, you can go to my front page and find articles that I link to.
	William Tompkins' information was put out in a book That is called something like Selected by Extraterrestrials or something like that.
	I'm paraphrasing the title.
	Again, it's on my website.
	You can find it.
	And his name is William Tompkins.
	And he is an aerospace executive that is in his 90s.
	And actually, he was interviewed by Michael Sala of the exapolitics.org website and I think it was back in January of this year.
	And I had heard his name sort of bandied about, but I didn't actually know much about his information.
	Then I think maybe David Wilcock and Corey Goode did some mentioning of his material, but I'm not sure how complete that was.
	And then I've...
	I've done some investigation around all of this, and I think Rents was one of the first journalists also to get his information out there.
	So there are a few, and I've linked to all of these on my website, interviews with William Tompkins.
	As I say, from Rents, however, I think he's done three, and a couple were done around March and maybe July.
	And then I think he did one a little more recently.
	It might have even been September.
	However, I don't think that they're really covering, because I'm reading his book, they don't really cover everything that Tompkins brings to the table.
	And I think, by and large, most of them are avoiding the ET side of Tompkins' information, which is Actually, I mean, you might say the most fascinating part of it.
	And so this is rather strange, but this is one of the reasons why I have put in a request to interview him.
	And he actually is in Southern California, so it's not going to be a problem for me to get to him.
	And I'd like to do an in-person interview.
	I mentioned recently that whistleblowers often respond a lot better to in-person interviews than they do Even online, but some whistleblowers won't even show their face, so to speak.
	But it's very important, especially with a whistleblower of this caliber, to be there in person.
	So I am working on that.
	I have contacted...
	Bob Wood, who is the person...
	Bob and Ryan Wood are the people that have outed what are called the Majestic 12 documents.
	And they have a website that talks about, you know, the reasons why those documents are accurate and real documents, etc., etc.
	And Bob Wood is also an ex-aerospace executive, and he was so impressed by William Tompkins' disclosures that he...
	Volunteered to edit his book.
	So he's the editor on William Tompkins' recently published book.
	That book came out this summer.
	Unfortunately, whoever's managing William Tompkins, and he freely admits he's been given permission to come forward, has not seen fit to contact me.
	And I can just imagine that they don't really necessarily want me to interview him because I usually tend to get a lot more truth out than most people.
	But nonetheless, we have had dealings, Project Camelot, with Bob Wood and Ryan Wood on a very positive note.
	And Bob Wood interviewed one of our early whistleblowers, Just sort of trying to help out and so on with some background stuff because Mr.
	X was his name and he died of mysterious circumstances.
	But before he died, we all went over to Bob Wood's house and Bob helped to sort of validate, I guess you might say, some of our witnesses' documentation and so on because of his And Mr.
	X had worked at Rockwell and had, you know, brought forward some information.
	That is excellent information.
	So if you haven't heard one of the first ever Project Camelot interviews, it was done down at what's called the Integraton.
	Here in Southern California, a very sort of mysterious, in a sense, otherworldly type place.
	And we did it right at the Integraton because there happened to be a small conference going on at the time.
	And Mr.
	X came down there very incognito and we were given a tent under which to To interview him.
	So it's actually a fascinating interview and at that time that was done by both myself and Bill Ryan who is my former partner in Camelot as you may remember.
	We worked together about three years of Camelot and this is now over 10 years in operation.
	So we split up kind of early on if you want to look at it like that.
	But nonetheless, That interview with Mr.
	X is an excellent interview.
	And he was one of our first joint Project Hamlet interviews.
	I had already done a few Project Hamlet interviews before Bill showed up.
	And then Bill Ryan was actually one of my interviewees.
	And that's how we met.
	And so I had interviewed...
	Well, let's see, Robert Salas, Rich Dolan, Jim Mars, Stephen Bassett.
	And I did all this part of a...
	As people that don't know the history of Camelot, I did all of this as part of a short film, a short documentary film that I was putting together at the time.
	And let's see, Bill Hamilton was another interview that I did prior to Camelot actually starting.
	So these were...
	Again, handheld using what is a consumer grade camcorder.
	And actually, we still use a more or less consumer grade camcorder.
	It's a little more, I think it's a pro consumer grade, but it's still not the top of the line, whatever you want to call that.
	So, that was the early days of Camelot, and I do recommend the interview with Mr.
	X. But the reason I'm talking about that is because of the link-up with Bob Wood.
	So I have approached Bob Wood as the editor of William Tompkins' book to prevail upon Mr.
	Tompkins to allow me to interview him and so on.
	And I also have another contact whose name I won't mention who is also in direct contact with William Tompkins and we're trying to get this to happen.
	So that's where that is at the moment, but it's very interesting because in reading William Tompkins' book, he is talking very openly about the link-up between the Nazis, reptilians, reptilians in the secret space program, and this is something that Mark Richards has been talking about since day one.
	I've been interviewing Mark Richards now for, I think it's been close to three years.
	It might even be four years.
	A lot of people out there are skeptical about things like reptilians.
	I can tell you that William Tompkins' testimony Involving all of that is now giving added validity to this story and to what we already know in Camelot and many people out there do know, which is that the reptilians, there are many races of reptilians, but there are certainly some races that are very much working against humanity here on planet Earth.
	And some came from the Draco galaxy and some came a long time ago, some I believe Earth is their home and some would like to see humans gone.
	Others like to eat us, use our fluids, get high off our anger and our sexual energy, etc., Kundalini energy, orgone, whatever you want to call it.
	Especially of young children, younger people with highly developed sexual energy.
	So this is not an idle matter.
	This is important.
	And it is important that people realize that humans do have enemies out there.
	That the secret space program is not, you know, even though we try to expose the truth about it, we are not against the secret space program.
	Actually, we understand there's a large body of that program that is interested in actually defending Earth and defending humans' right to be here.
	As well as humans in general.
	So there is a split.
	Actually, there's several splits within what we call the secret space programs here on planet Earth.
	And many countries have developed some of their own secret space programs to a certain level.
	And Project Camelot has been talking about the secret space program for now over 10 years.
	I think there's some misconception out there.
	Thinking some of these other people who are more newcomers to the topic had brought this forward, but that's actually not the case.
	And so I think it's important to give credit where credit is due.
	And so the secret space program has been exposed by a number of our witnesses over time.
	Again, over 10 years.
	And our whistleblowers, many of them come from way above top secret.
	Some have put their lives in danger in order to get this truth out.
	William Tompkins is doing this, as he says, in essence, having been someone who worked for Douglas Aerospace and in association with the RAND Institute, in case you don't know about these link-ups.
	And he talks a lot about the various players within aerospace, such as Lockheed Skunk Works, and everyone knows Ben Rich's disclosures in that regard.
	And I can tell you that he's also talking about Caltech, something that we have dealt with.
	On our TV pilot in a very specific way with one of the physicists, a top physicist, Sean Carroll, from Caltech, who lied to us on camera.
	And then they took that off of the pilot.
	They wouldn't show people that.
	Yeah.
	And why he felt he needed to do that, whether he was completely naive as one other contact within Caltech, who's a person in a position to know, said basically Sean Carroll was not read in at that point.
	And so perhaps he wasn't lying consciously.
	He just didn't know anything about remote viewing.
	He didn't know anything about time travel.
	However, he was considered one of their best physicists and he was filmed On our television pilot.
	And then what happened is they cut out the part in which he ripped off his microphone and stomped off the set.
	And that was because he got upset over the things that I was asking him.
	And didn't want to reveal whatever he thought he was not supposed to reveal or whatever it was.
	And that was quite a fascinating dynamic.
	And of course, the television crew, being a Hollywood television crew and the producers and director, all made sure that that didn't appear on camera.
	So this is the kind of stuff that actually I'm writing about in my new book.
	And I am currently in some talks with possible publishers to release this book.
	And if I don't get, you know, sort of the right arrangement with the publisher, I will self-publish.
	I've been told, you know, of course Camelot could self-publish because lots of people do it nowadays and it's very relatively simple to do.
	However, I am trying to reach a larger audience and so I felt going to a publisher might be a way to do that.
	So that's what I'm actually doing at this time and I'm going to be revealing Added details that I don't get a chance to talk about.
	Normally I don't even talk about myself unless you go to a conference and sometimes at conferences I will reveal bits and pieces.
	So conferences are always great places to learn more let's say.
	But generally speaking this book is a place where I can actually disclose things that I haven't had time to disclose and because I'm not usually the subject of my inquiries But Kamala, you know, being in operation for 10 years, we naturally have a lot of stories to tell from behind the scenes.
	And also I put together what some might call the big picture, joining the dots, putting it forward in a way that...
	A lot of researchers I've found and investigators are either afraid to do or they simply don't have the brainpower to do it or they don't see it that way.
	They want to hide certain stuff.
	Maybe they're in denial themselves, etc.
	So all of this is part of this process.
	Huge arena that we're part of, you know, and so telling the truth is not a simple exercise.
	It's an ongoing process and asking the hard questions is something that I specialize in, as many people know.
	And, you know, I have a great rapport with most of, if not all of our whistleblowers and And that's a whole dynamic in and of itself, and there's some back-channel information that I'll share eventually as well about all of that as we go forward.
	So, to get back to William Tompkins, he is talking about Nordics.
	He is talking about Nordics infiltrating our secret space program in the early days, working with, in essence, Douglas Aerospace and...
	Some reptilian infiltration into NASA. This is all stuff that is known by Camelot and has been known for many years.
	But we're very happy to have this 90-year-old whistleblower, I think he's 90, come forward from aerospace and with a very lofty background documenting his incredible contribution to our secret space program.
	Showing how he basically designed and he created the designs and was an engineer for the building of underground bases.
	For bases off planet, on moon, Mars, the moons of planets and other planets even outside our solar system, the development of free energy within the secret space program, interstellar flight, and all of this, as well as our dealings with various ET races, of which there are many.
	And I think he was aware at that time of something like, I think he says, 19 different races.
	And he stresses that several of them are not friendly and that they're considered threats and that many of the things they worked on and the weaponry that you think is going to fighting a war in Syria, in Iraq, Et cetera, around the world in Yemen.
	These weapons and the so-called wars that you think are being fought over oil, et cetera, as many Camelot viewers I think know, is not over oil at all.
	It's actually all part of the secret space program.
	It's all part of the drive to go off planet.
	The various ET races trying to stop us from going off planet and developing our own colonies, et cetera.
	And much, much more going on here on Earth, actual battles such as the Battle of L.A., which William Tompkins talks about having witnessed as a child.
	Which is absolutely extraordinary to have someone of this caliber come forward actually validating what was shown in a newspaper.
	And I have the picture on my website, so if you go to the William Tompkins material again on my website, maybe I can pull it up here and show you.
	Anyway, it's showing the Battle of LA, that newspaper.
	You know, it's a famous one with the lights shining down and so on.
	The Battle of LA went on all night and all day, like I think for 48 hours, they said.
	And I think this happened in the 1940s, if I recall.
	And so again, William Tompkins was a witness of this.
	This is amazing, great stuff.
	Now, you can appreciate that The L.A. Basin, there was a certain area, if you were living in that certain area, and you are of a certain age, you may have witnessed this.
	And it's also extraordinary how few actual witnesses have come forward.
	And yet, it was a battle over the...
	It wasn't hidden.
	It was right over the skies of Los Angeles.
	So, understanding that, you know, that our secret space program, and William Tompkins actually says this, I know Hoagland has said this in the past, but a lot of people kind of missed it, I think, that basically NASA was set up not as a civilian agency, At all.
	But their actual remit, whatever you want to call it, their mission is to protect planet Earth and to develop weaponry to do so.
	And this was actually stated, it used to be stated at the entrance of JPL, and I worked as a contractor for JPL. Prior to Camelot in the area of communications.
	And so I was aware that when Richard Hoagland had said this on my show, that this was true, that NASA's actual mission is not what people think it is.
	Of course, NASA, Caltech, and JPL are all totally interwoven.
	And Camelot had dealings over at Caltech with certain people, including Dan Beerish, by the way, And we had a special, I don't know what you want to call it, seminar with Dan Bierisch and certain other individuals.
	J.J. Hertak was there, I believe, as I recall, and so on.
	And it was quite interesting.
	And we have had a very long-term contact within Caltech as well.
	I can tell you that Caltech also was the company, the secret space linked up company, that actually made an effort to disappear.
	Brian O'Leary, the astronaut who was supposed to go to Mars and who we interviewed.
	And if you haven't seen our Brian O'Leary I highly recommend them.
	There's one main one.
	And he was an excellent whistleblower.
	He had left the United States because he felt he was being targeted and they tried to kill him.
	And he described in detail how they tried to kill him to us.
	He didn't want it on the record, but that was before he died.
	I could actually share that with you if someone's interested.
	And eventually they did kill him, I believe.
	And he died, he contacted, he was one of those people who contacted cancer and then died within the year.
	He was actually on our pilot, our television pilot, right before he died.
	And he disclosed, you can watch the pilot and see he's on there, disclosing some interesting things and also saying that he had to go settle in Ecuador because he was afraid for his life.
	He did also interview all around the world free energy activists and inventors.
	And he wrote and published a couple books about that.
	Excellent books.
	And so...
	This is a Caltech link-up because what happened was, at one point in Brian O'Leary's life, after having been an astronaut candidate and so on and so forth to go to Mars, you know, in other words, a very well-respected scientist, what happened was Caltech disappeared his records and pretended that he'd never taught there.
	He had taught At Caltech.
	And what happened was a very interesting story, which is a journalist in San Diego befriended Brian and wanted to do, I guess, a series of articles about Brian O'Leary.
	And when he went to do investigation on Brian's background, he found that the records had been disappeared from Caltech and they were trying to deny that Brian ever worked there.
	But Brian, of course, had kept his own records.
	And so it was proven wrong.
	But what the San Diego newspaper that had hired this journalist and, you know, had been a journalist on that paper for a while, when he tried to deal with outing this Brian O'Leary story about Brian working at Caltech and being a prior candidate to go to Mars, etc., The newspaper fired the journalists.
	And to my knowledge, this journalist never came forward to say this saga that happened.
	The way we found out a course was Brian O'Leary telling us this story.
	So this is the kind of thing that goes on.
	A lot of people like to say, oh, where's the proof?
	Show me your records, all this kind of thing.
	But the bottom line is that, as you know by Obama's birth certificate, records can be faked.
	And this is just another place where you can see where information is being disappeared in order to discredit people who suddenly come forward with really excellent information and have been part of what is in essence the space program And the secret space program.
	And know things they're not supposed to.
	But the next thing, besides trying to kill them, is to try to, in essence, disappear their records so that it looks like they aren't who they say they are.
	This happened to Bob Lazar, of course.
	It also happened to Henry Deacon, who came forward under his own name, Arthur Neumann, some years later, after initially coming forward to Camelot.
	And Actually, we interviewed Arthur Neumann, Henry Deacon, in a written interview, in a series of written interviews, back in 2006, in the same year that we actually were formed as Project Camelot.
	And so he was talking about the Secret Space Program back in 2006.
	Jake Simpson, another witness, was talking about the things that Snowden is now talking about and Snowden came out with.
	I think Snowden came out around, I think it was 2012.
	Not sure.
	Our witness, Jake Simpson, had talked about the surveillance and the degree of surveillance, talking about the quantum theory.
	Surveillance that's going on on this planet, talking about the satellite surveillance and that ET, command of a lot of the surveillance technology here on and off planet Earth.
	In other words, Snowden hasn't even grazed the, you know, the real playing field of grace, you know, broken the ice, so to speak.
	He's only done the most superficial revealing.
	And I can tell you By my, you know, all the things I know and by watching Snowden and by reading his book, actually a number of books on him, that Snowden is spooked by what he knows, that he knows a great deal more than what he is saying.
	And that he is probably very afraid for his life.
	And that's understandable.
	He's a very brave soul and we admire him over at Camelot and are very happy to have at least that much disclosure.
	But I do want people to understand that Camelot, again, through our whistleblowers, has been revealing all of this information years ago and putting it out there for people's discernment.
	It is now being validated.
	Piece by piece by piece by other witnesses who are coming forward sort of late to the game, but nonetheless still important witnesses.
	And being put together by other journalists out there that are trying to connect these dots.
	But if you will go back and watch our history, and if you are of course an old time follower of Camelot, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
	Anyway, it's important to know the history of The history, so to speak.
	And what is going on with this whole disclosure?
	This is disclosure.
	You are witnessing it.
	William Tompkins is a disclosure witness.
	He is someone who was apparently paid by Stephen Greer to disclose many, many years ago.
	I'm not sure what happened with all that.
	But I do know that Greer had some dealings with Tompkins.
	And then he, it seems, went silent for over 10 years and then suddenly came out a year ago again.
	That's my understanding of his trajectory.
	Now, it is fascinating that this battle with ETs, the negative and the positive, you know, there are people out there that want you to think that, you know, all ETs are positive.
	That's fascinating.
	If you've ever watched my interview that is now extremely notorious, actually mine and Bill's, interview with Stephen Greer in which he barged in after in the backstage area where we had just done a roundtable discussion with Henry Deacon and Bob Dean and we were just sort of starting to pack up the camera and he barged in with his entourage,
	sat down in the In the chairs and folded his arms like this and said, I'm ready for my interview.
	The reason he did that is because I had written the night before about some lies he was telling the public.
	And he believes he has a great deal of knowledge about the secret space program.
	He certainly had a lot of good witnesses in the early days.
	What prompted Camelot in the early days to come forward was the idea that Stephen Greer had film footage of those witnesses, not just what he wrote in the books.
	But he declined to actually release that until years later.
	And apparently he was standing on ceremony wanting to have You know, the right look and lights and camera and so on.
	But camera and lighting is not going to change the truth.
	Or it shouldn't.
	And so Camelot came forward with the notion of, many people know, of guerrilla filmmaking.
	And that was because my background was working in Hollywood and actually as a filmmaker and someone who was trying to get movies made in Hollywood and reaching what you might call as a glass ceiling.
	You know, a closed door, whatever you want to call that.
	But not before I made quite a few inroads in Hollywood at that time.
	And I was able to try to shop some very interesting projects, one of which was, for example, Dan Sherman's book, Above Black, by the way, which to this day has not been made into a movie and should.
	And I had a screenwriter who'd written a screenplay about that book, and I was shopping that to people like Kathleen Kennedy, who was the story person handling the development at that time for Steven Spielberg.
	And also people like Ridley Scott, his development people.
	And also, let's see, James Cameron, shopping projects to them.
	They're development people.
	So I wasn't dealing with, I'm not saying I was dealing with the top people.
	I was dealing with what you call the people in development, which are the people that They're the main area in which stories are developed to get onto the screen.
	And they are, you might say, the first vetting level of any production company.
	So I was dealing with those people and sending them and dealing with them with projects and also some agents in the top agencies.
	Because I worked in Hollywood for 20 years before I got into...
	Actually working in aerospace after that as a contractor.
	And then I got into Camelot.
	So that was my trajectory.
	Some people may not know that.
	So today, Tony Gosling had agreed to do an interview.
	Actually, it was his idea to come back to the show because I have interviewed him in the past.
	But it looks like he forgot or something intervened.
	So we're going to try to reschedule that.
	I'm going to see if there's any evidence that he's shown up.
	Doesn't look like it.
	So I'm going to now look in the chat and see over here with my other computer whether or not there's any questions that people wanted to ask me.
	It does help me if you put your questions in all caps.
	Oh yes, I need to talk about the Max Spears thing that's just starting to come back into the press, which is very interesting.
	So many people will know that right when Max Spears was murdered, actually, it might have been only a few hours, but it certainly was within the 24 hours, that Miles Johnston got word from Poland, from the journalist who Max was staying with, actually from someone who was in touch with the journalist.
	I'm not sure if that journalist was in touch with Miles.
	But at any rate...
	There was another journalist that was someone who works, I think, in Poland.
	I'm not sure where he's based, actually, who was in touch with that group.
	There was the journalist who's quite a wealthy journalist who owns a number of magazines, from what I understand, in Poland and is fairly well known there.
	Max was staying at her mansion when he died.
	And there was at least one other person in attendance when he died.
	And there were extremely nefarious things that went on during that time when he suddenly died.
	And evidence of a last broadcast with this visiting journalist, from what I understand, that had happened maybe a week before.
	Not sure.
	I can't remember the exact, you know, maybe it actually was a couple of days before he died.
	He had just gotten back from, I believe it was the island of Crete, if I'm not mistaken.
	That's the name of the island I remember, but I might have that wrong.
	It's been a couple months now.
	What's interesting is...
	Max's mother is now gone to the press, and Yahoo News, as well as the Daily Mail UK, are at least two relatively mainstream publications that have had her...
	You can't call it an interview, exactly.
	But they've allowed her to give them information that there is something very nefarious that went on with the death of her son, Max Spears, who was a super soldier, for those of you who don't know.
	And I had interviewed years ago Along with Michael Prince.
	And if you're interested in seeing that interview, Max doesn't say a whole lot because he was very much under the control at the time of Michael Prince, who is a very intimidating individual, and said to me, to my face, that he was the controller of all the super soldiers at the conference.
	And this was at Laurie and Fenton's Super Soldier Conference, held many years ago now.
	I'm trying to remember what year it was, but...
	You know, it's not forever.
	It was like three, four years ago.
	And I was there.
	And I think it was, you know, Miles Johnston was there.
	And some very strange things happened at that conference.
	I can tell you that.
	But one of the things that happened was that I interviewed together Max Spears and Michael Prince.
	And we were talking about You know, the Fourth Reich, having taken over the United States, that Max and certainly Michael Prince was saying he was employed by them.
	He was proud to be a member of the Fourth Reich and that sort of thing.
	So it was a very fascinating interview.
	It also contained information about, at that time, the Illuminati plans To instigate racial violence in the United States shortly after that interview.
	That was basically said by Michael Prince.
	That was their plan.
	At the time, you will actually see my reaction.
	I was like, that's crazy.
	No one's going to buy it.
	Why would they try this at this late date?
	Et cetera, et cetera.
	That's like so, you know, old fashioned in a sense.
	But of course, I live in a very advanced area, which is Los Angeles, north of Los Angeles, so California is always ahead of the curve in these areas.
	But nonetheless, exactly what Michael Prince said about the racial violence being triggered in the United States has happened, as many people know.
	We've had lots of various riots, and many of these things seem to be orchestrated, for sure.
	Not without cause, of course, because there is a lot of, you know, racial inequality still going on on this planet, and certainly in the United States, and especially in probably southern states more than anywhere else, but that's a whole discussion as to what kind of prejudice shows up and how it shows up in Hollywood.
	Is no exception in that scenario, although there's been a lot of sort of rebalancing and positive stuff that has happened, as all of you know.
	So that interview was significant, again, with Max Spears and Michael Prince.
	Then what happened is that apparently, and I had not stayed in touch with Matt.
	Well, okay.
	So here's Tony.
	That's just great.
	Let's see if we can get him here.
	Hello?
	Hi, Kevin.
	Hi.
	I'm sorry about the problems this evening.
	We've got multiple disasters, including the police coming around in time.
	So you won't see them coming through here.
	Oh, no.
	Okay.
	It's possible to just go for it.
	I'll do that.
	Oh, lovely.
	Well, it's great.
	I've been holding court here and talking about all sorts of things with your absence, but it's lovely to have you.
	We still have an audience, so that's just great.
	Everyone, this is Tony Gosling.
	He is an ex-BBC reporter and a journalist in his own right at this time.
	I call him a rogue journalist just for fun.
	And he is someone who has a website called Bilderberg.org.
	We had an interview a while back.
	It's lovely to have you.
	I'm so glad you made it.
	Tell us what's going on.
	In the immediate front, I think, you know, we're looking at the, what, you mean here in the house here or in the wider house?
	Well, let's do the personal first, just to get that out of the way.
	Okay, well, one of the, I think, you know, it's important to make an announcement that one of the most important researchers and volunteers in the British 9-11 Truth Movement, her name's Fran Scott, she was diagnosed with cancer just a few, couple of weeks ago, basically, and And we found she's really seriously ill.
	You can find her presentation, Fran Scott, on the anthrax attacks on 9-11.
	Just back in May, she was in the best of health doing a really sharp presentation on, you know, one of the most important aspects of the cover-up of the September 11th attacks and the complicity by the Pentagon, basically by the US military in those attacks.
	The idea being, of course, to have a kind of multi- A layered attack on people's consciousness straight after the September 11th attacks and she was probably doing some of the best research in the world on that subject and doing presentations on it.
	So everybody here in the British 9-11 Truth Movement is very shocked to hear that Fran was so very seriously ill.
	She's been a very brave lady.
	She's had all sorts of problems with not getting proper diagnosis from her doctors Over the last year or so.
	And so our prayers are all going out to Fran at the moment, who's suffering in East London, Homerton Hospital.
	And really, you know, everyone is coming together.
	She's been like the queen in hospital, I've heard, with literally person after person, group after group, even people coming in to sing songs for her and that sort of thing, give her All sorts of spiritual love because she's been such an important figure.
	The Reinvestigate 9-11 website here in Britain, for example, she is the webmistress of that, designing it, keeping it up to date, all that sort of thing.
	And everyone's very sad that this news is now coming to us.
	Okay, well, thank you for that.
	You know, very sorry to hear about it, of course.
	So I really, I hope, you know, any healers out there, anyone who wants to send her good energy, obviously, please do so.
	And perhaps we can get more details from you and from her, if at all possible.
	She's posted pretty much updates on the UK 9-11 web forum, which is one of the things that I'm one of the moderators on there.
	Which is 911 911, the numbers, forum.org.uk.
	And on there you can see also just what an amazing woman she is, you know, with the presentation just back in May, literally just a few months ago.
	And, you know, one does feel a little bit kind of humbled and helpless in situations like this.
	But she's very appreciative, I would say, of any kind of prayers, that sort of thing.
	She's a very spiritual person.
	Okay, thank you so much for that.
	Very sorry to hear about that.
	So anything else you were saying, what does the police, why would the police be after you, Tony?
	Oh, they're not after me, thank God.
	They're around this area here because apparently some smoke alarms, or was it carbon monoxide alarms have been going off.
	And the Housing Association, which I'm part of, we're in social housing here, Their emergency number wasn't working.
	So they've had to phone the police.
	I don't actually think there's going to be any real problem.
	And if the police or whoever does come, they'll probably just come to sniff around, see if there's any carbon monoxide, realise there isn't, and then go home.
	So, at any rate, you're here now and it's great to have you.
	So, what I wanted to do is you've been writing some excellent articles and also, as always, finding some great links to other articles about what's going on in Syria.
	And I know that you're also on the Brexit case and we have the pound dropping like a rock.
	Or it already has, really.
	So what we in America actually find to be very nice, because now our dollar and the pound are closer to being equal.
	But nonetheless, I realize this is something of a disaster for Brits.
	At least if they want to go abroad, they aren't able to capitalize on We're looking at the latest stuff here.
	So on the financial front, very interesting to see today, and I'm not sure if this news has reached you in the States yet, is the NatWest Bank pulling the bank accounts of Russia Today's London Bureau.
	So that was literally this afternoon that news broke that the Royal Bank of Scotland and National Westminster Bank have both sent letters to Russia Today's London bureau based at Millbank, literally just straight across the River Thames from MI6 and just down the River Thames from MI5. They're kind of in between the two.
	And so that is very interesting because the reason I say that is because over here, as it hasn't happened in the US, Those banks that were about to go bust back in 2008 have been bought by the government.
	And RBS is one of those, NatWest is one of those, that's actually owned by the people.
	And so it's the People's Bank, run by the Treasury, run by the government, the Conservative government, that has sent these letters to Rush Today, which is another state organisation.
	It's a state broadcaster of the...
	You know what I would say, Kerry?
	It's a kind of privatisation of diplomacy.
	Rather than going through the proper channels and negotiating with the Russians through the embassy, etc., what they've done is they've used effectively a kind of privatised version of the British monetary system, you know, or the banks here in London, to fire a shot across the bowels, if you want, of the Russian state News gathering bureau in London and their channel is exclusive to Britain.
	It goes out in Britain as well every evening and I think it's very one of the most fascinating things about the way the Russians manage these things is from a PR point of view is for a few hours they just think good god this is could be the end for the Russia Today bureau in London which actually is producing some of the best quality balanced news Amazing.
	You know, we're getting another side of the story completely from this bureau.
	Absolutely.
	The media is not giving.
	And what they've done effectively is really embarrass the whole of the London media community.
	The people that own the transmitters, the printing presses right across London are being every day embarrassed by this tiny little operation, just one little newsroom and one outlet, which is showing so much that the London media is effectively taboo.
	So they let us...
	Get worried for a few hours.
	Oh gosh, this means that that bureau might be closed down.
	And then the editor of the Russia Today Bureau then released something which obviously she must have been talking, I would imagine, to Moscow about, saying actually it's not going to affect what we do here at all.
	They've obviously got some other way of getting money backwards and forwards and paying their staff, paying the rent in the building they're in, etc.
	So they're not relying on this state-owned bank, RBS, NatWest, at all.
	And it may even be that they've got other bank accounts ready to go.
	So this is a very, I think, very churlish and silly move by the City of London to try and silence the criticism that there is of the propagandistic London media.
	I find it difficult now to find any media outlet in London, based in London, Where you're getting balanced news, particularly on things like Syria.
	The one thing I would say about that particular conflict in Aleppo, which we're getting on the nightly news, you're probably getting exactly the same stuff over in the States, Kerry, is the last week there was a deal, an attempted deal done by Assad's government, the legitimate government of Syria and the Russians, saying to the Eleanor's Front in Aleppo, look, you can go out and you can take your guns with you.
	This was brokered by the UN, by the way.
	And take your guns with you.
	And you know what Al-Nusra said?
	We said we don't trust Assad.
	We're staying and they're going to fight and die here.
	Well, that effectively means that they're using the civilians in East Aleppo as human shields.
	And the NATO countries are backing them.
	Contrast, of course, with what's going on in Iraq, in Mosul, which is where a lot of civilians have been allowed to leave by the fighters there.
	And, you know, basically the whole situation...
	It's being, I think, run and managed from the West.
	I don't think that the armless fighters in East Aleppo are really entirely their own masters.
	Otherwise, of course, they would take their guns and get out of there rather than get massacred by the Russians.
	And it's appalling that this aspect of it, this attempted deal to end the bloodshed in East Aleppo, the killing of civilians, has just not been reported in the London press or on the radio or in the newspapers here, hardly at all, Kerry.
	Absolutely.
	Well, thank you.
	That's sort of a tour de force on your part.
	I have to say, I just want to, you know, take some steps back to the Russia Today, the closure of the bank accounts.
	You know, this is kind of what you might say is an interference with Russia.
	Press freedom.
	And so this is the kind of thing that what's happening in both the United States and Britain, in the Western countries, is that they no longer want to tell the truth at all to their people.
	And it is true that Russia today has been one of the few outlets that we get some straight stories from.
	I know one of our broadcasters, Scott Bennett, a whistleblower, has actually been on Russia Today a number of times.
	And obviously they are covering stories that matter, contrary to the British and American press.
	The British press is actually, I have to say, with all due respect, actually appalling in their coverage.
	Just, I mean...
	Blows my mind when I read the papers and because I go back and forth to Britain nowadays because my partner lives there and so I have a free place to stay obviously and I have been able to read these headlines and the things they're putting out to the people there and it's just extraordinary the lies and the the misdirects which are are just amazing and to get into Syria Absolutely.
	Using the Syrian people as human shields.
	This is what they are doing.
	This is what's going on in the U.S. that is backing al-Nisra and al-Nisra.
	In essence, what people know of as ISIS and ISIL, etc.
	These are considered to be the terrorists, the rebels in Syria, from the point of view, of course, of the administration of Bashar and so on.
	So you've got Russia on one side and the U.S. My understanding is the U.S. is actually playing both sides.
	When I say the U.S., of course, you cannot separate the U.S. and their actions from the U.K. These two countries are always hand in glove on most everything.
	It is an amazing situation that we have going on here.
	In terms of The overall look at things, can you say anything more about what you think, you know, because we're having a lot of rumblings in my country.
	I'm getting a lot of information anyway.
	Talking about, you know, the beginning of World War III and that this is all happening now and so on and so forth.
	And someone has also rushed, it looks like North Korea has been firing off some Some missiles, doing some so-called missile testing over South Korea and threatening in that way.
	Have you heard these things?
	Well, look, I mean, there's a guy called Vincenzo Vinciguera.
	I'm not sure if you've ever come across him, but he was a fascist in Italy in the 1980s.
	He was part of the Operation Gladio.
	And one of the most memorable quotes from him in the film of Alan Frankovich, who was the Peruvian Director that made this brilliant film for the BBC back in the early 1990s about Operation Gladio.
	One of the things that he filmed there, I think he went to LA film school, he was a really good filmmaker and it was amazing that in those days the BBC was so different that they would broadcast such a critical documentary about criminality going on within NATO. His quote was, in 1945 World War II ended and World War III began.
	So, in a way, this has kind of been going on for a long, long time, you know, with the deals that Nazis made with the Americans, and I think it's fair to say some of the high-level British people as well, particularly through Desmond Morton, who was Churchill's private secretary, a very interesting character that doesn't get anywhere near enough of a page he should have in history as a really notorious crook.
	He was a criminal collaborator with the Nazis at the end particularly of the Second World War.
	He was doing something called economic warfare.
	He was part of the British government's economic warfare office between the wars.
	He was aide-de-compte to General Hague in the First World War and notorious Desmond Morton.
	What he was doing was effectively what's been going on since the Second World War, slowly but surely, it's been ramping up.
	Which is economic warfare.
	And of course, this thing with Russia Today that we've just heard about is another example of that.
	They're using banks to be a kind of political cudgel to bash people they don't like with.
	And effectively, the media in this country, as you were saying, is so controlled.
	That as soon as somebody starts doing something, as the Rush Today crew have been doing in Milbank, which tells the real story about what's really going on, it shows all of the rest of the media up.
	So that's why this economic warfare is something I don't think is enough well understood.
	I think you've got a basic thing happen.
	At the end of World War II, they gave up using tanks and they started using banks.
	To take over.
	And you can take over just as effectively with a bank as you can with a tank.
	You're basically kicking.
	In fact, a tank makes much more of a mess.
	The banks can do it in a much more sort of surgical way by just cutting out the directors, the shareholders and the owners that you don't want and putting your own people in.
	And I think they've been breeding almost a kind of race of ruthless directors, business owners, et cetera, ever since the Second World War to take on this effectively what is a kind of The Martin Bormann network which you may have come across Bormann that he was very much survived the Second World War as Hitler's treasurer and went to work kind of in ensuring that the Nazi loot was put to good use.
	They had a lot of help from Morton and other people in order to secrete this money away mainly in South America But getting back to the whole issue of economic warfare, I think this is being done through things like sanctions.
	I mean, the Russians recently, I think it was Putin himself said that the idea of sanctions is effectively That tantamount to a nuclear-type threat.
	So he's saying that if you're building nuclear weapons and you're putting them near our borders, it's a similar thing to using sanctions to stop our trade.
	The idea of interfering with normal relations is similar to ramping up to war.
	And I think you're right.
	We're seeing all the indications that a criminal elite here in the West, mainly centred around Britain and the United States, Although, of course, very much embedded in places like Brussels as well.
	We've just got the anniversary of the DeTrue scandal coming up, by the way.
	I think it's 25 years since that, or maybe 20 years, the paedophile scandal in the heart of Brussels.
	You've got a criminal elite who are getting increasingly isolated.
	The other thing, of course, is Michael Tyler.
	I don't know if you've come across Michael, but he's done a brilliant blog here in Britain about the deaths of bankers since 2008.
	Bankers apparently have committed suicide since 2008.
	Well, been suicided, I think, would be a little more accurate.
	I would suggest that you've got what's happening is the honest bankers, anyone with half kind of decency or a soul, is being ejected from the system in a rather ruthless fashion.
	Of course, this tells anyone else who's a banker that What's going to happen to them if they step out of line?
	So you've got this criminal elite attitude where they just want to avoid prosecution.
	They realise that their chickens could be coming home to roost, so they're taking effective steps.
	To ensconce themselves in this what is becoming increasingly feudal system.
	It's like we're going back to medieval times, not just in quality of public services as they run down and run down here in Britain, but also in our kind of political governance.
	I don't know what the situation is like in the States.
	Obviously, you've got your presidential elections coming on.
	Crikey, you know, that's horrific.
	And we've got immense media bias over here, as you do in the States, against Donald Trump, where they don't even mention the fact that it looks...
	Seymour Hersh, for example, said that Hillary Clinton was involved in smuggling of sarin gas through the Benghazi embassy in order to try and set up the Assad regime two summers ago with a sarin gas attack.
	So Clinton was involved in that, and then she was involved in basically getting the embassy bombed to cover our tracks.
	Now we're told that that isn't important.
	What is important is that Donald Trump has made a few comments about, you know, ladies, women in a sexist manner.
	Now, you know, I know which one I would prefer to run the United States, and I think that it's a kind of deliberate attempt to trivialise Yes, the lowest common denominator is what we're really talking about.
	When we're talking about the election we're talking about going for personality issues rather than the real issues that are at hand and how these people would deal with them.
	You know, Clinton's record is out there.
	It's clearly known.
	And the only trouble with Trump is that who he's really working with is not commonly discussed.
	And this is a big problem.
	So whereas I can certainly say that he's like the wild card in the deck.
	And it's clear.
	I mean, Camelot was told, you must understand, over six years ago that Hillary would run in 2016 at a time when it sounded impossible that this would happen, but that would run in 2016 and she would win.
	That was their plan, okay?
	Their, meaning the Illuminati, this group that involves Hillary, MJ-12, what we know of as MJ-12.
	It's also called Committee of the Majority.
	It goes by Scion.
	It goes by a lot of different names.
	I do want to say, though, that it's all spin in the mainstream media and even some of the alternative media, as you can appreciate.
	It's all about how they spin this information.
	And what they leave out is often much more important than what they put in.
	They've left out Benghazi and they've left out all the Wikileaks email revelations.
	So you've got the two most important in terms of geopolitics and in terms of someone's suitability to do the job, given that most of the candidates for all these top political positions are pretty hopeless.
	Absolutely.
	Well, I think thinking that even the election is over someone who's going to have control, it's not the people you're electing, it's the people behind them that have the control.
	And this is the misnomer.
	And so when you concentrate on personality...
	You're missing the point entirely.
	And so this petty stuff about women and whether Trump likes women or hates women or whatever the hell, who cares?
	In the end, it's not about that.
	I mean, if he gets into office, he's going to be a puppet, I'm sorry to say.
	And this was decided back in the coup that happened in America with Kennedy.
	And ever since then, it is clear that we have a cabal in place.
	It's certainly Hillary is run by Bush, there's no doubt about it, and what we call the Bush cabal.
	And you can see how England is, again, hand in glove with America.
	They're keeping the press, you know, anti-Trump because he, again, is coming from what is in essence probably a split at the top, a split that involves two completely nefarious and diabolical organizations.
	And there is some issue to do with the Scottish right that is behind Trump.
	And that's a very interesting Illuminati, quasi-religious, black dark magician, you know, Vatican, etc., etc.
	There's a lot going on there that's not being revealed.
	I do think it's interesting that North Korea, I'm looking at RT, you're saying the bank account was just frozen.
	I'm looking at an RT headline just recently, North Korea threatens U.S., With preemptive nuke strike and promises more tests.
	And there's this picture of this test.
	And Japan is quite worried about what's going on, apparently.
	Well, look, certainly the Russians are taking this seriously, Kerry.
	They did their exercise last week, which was 10 days ago or so, which was 40 million people involved in an exercise.
	I would like to know what our governments are doing to prepare us for some kind of nuclear exchange.
	You know, certainly back in the 1960s and 70s, there was a very sort of sensible kind of policy to say, well, look, you know, we've got bunkers, we've got shelters, this kind of thing, and we've got evacuation plans.
	Nowadays, they just seem to just want to ignore it and ignore us.
	You know, so we're just going to be kind of collateral damage.
	Well, I can tell you that, you know, it was reported to me that they did scramble some jets and there were some air raid sirens.
	I don't know if it was a test or not in San Diego just a few nights ago.
	That's quite interesting along these lines.
	I can tell you that the military situation is being beefed up along the West Coast because that's where I live.
	This Operation Gladio, though, I just wanted to get back there really quickly, and thank you for mentioning that, as the arm of NATO. A lot of people don't know, but perhaps have seen my many interviews with Ole Damogard, who is an investigator of NATO. False Flags and Assassinations.
	And he talks again and again about how Operation Gladio is basically orchestrating these false flags.
	That the individuals who work for that organization are often the same individuals again and again seen on the streets and photographed, etc.
	and having roles to play within these false flags including the ones in Paris, etc.
	And Germany, I'm sure, recently, etc.
	So this is a very diabolical organization that is an arm of the Illuminati, that is constantly in play, and we have other testimony in this regard as well, and I can say that the work of Ole Dahlmegaard in this is to be noted.
	Well, it's also, I mean, let's be fair here, also Civil Edmonds has done quite a lot of work on it.
	Just explaining this kind of which is the, rather than the Soviet Union being the threat, you've got the Islamists being the threat supposedly in the modern era.
	And it's, I mean, one of the most shocking examples of, really does look as if this is an Operation Gladio style of occurrence, is all the panic that there was last week in Germany over some apparent plot, some explosives apparently found in somebody's flat apartment.
	And this person is then arrested, blah, blah, big fuss about it.
	It's all over the German news for several days.
	And then lo and behold, this chap then commits suicide in jail.
	Now, I would suggest to you, Jerry, we're moving into Gestapo territory here.
	And for a long time, the Germans have managed to sort of maneuver themselves to say, well, of course, nothing like that could ever happen here again.
	We are the sensible people of Europe, blah, blah.
	I can tell you, I mean, for example, they've been supplying these free dolphin class submarines to Israel, which can be used to launch cruise missiles, nuclear cruise missiles, of course, as well if they're controlled by the Israelis.
	They've been giving them free as reparations from the Second World War to the Israelis.
	They've also got their own drone program, and they've been trying to keep that very quiet.
	They've also changed the law in Germany so that German troops now can operate outside German soil.
	They're not just defensive, they can start going around.
	Of course, they've been in Afghanistan, et cetera, doing rituals with bones.
	I can remember that little story from a few years ago.
	We didn't get much coverage in the press here.
	And also, they're allowing the United States to use their...
	I can't remember the name of the base.
	There's a big base in Rammstein, that's right, in Germany, which the intercept of exposed is one of the key points in the whole international drone program.
	So if the Germans wanted to stop these war crimes, these drone assassinations going on, they could do it just at the click of a switch and say to the Americans, no, you can't do that anymore.
	It's on German soil.
	So the Germans have actually been quietly participating in this kind of NATO war on terror, but they've been actually very clever in hiding the amount they've been participating.
	But this thing last week, to me, it really struck me as incredible that somebody could be considered, even though they were on so-called suicide watch, to have hanged themselves in their own cell after there having been really no evidence presented that this person was really behind any kind of terrorism at all.
	But this happens every time.
	Every single time, the so-called perpetrator, who is always seen to be a lone gunman, it ends up dead.
	One way or another, so they can never testify, can never turn on their masters, so to speak, and reveal the mind control element, the mensure and candidate side of things.
	I do want to say that there is a lot of posturing going on right now, and I think that the closure of the Russia Today Bank accounts is one of those sort of posing places where you've got...
	You've got Korea.
	You've got the United States posturing militarily, of course, and doing things very nefariously behind the scenes, saying they're going to have efforts at peace in Syria and then going and bombing the troops at the same time that they're claiming they're going to have a ceasefire.
	We've got Russian vessels that are being shown to be sailing for the Mediterranean.
	We've got all kinds of demonstrations of hardware.
	In other words, this reminds me of one of our whistleblowers way back when, this is back in 2006, who basically told us that China and the U.S. were planning to have a war in the future.
	And that this is something they work on together.
	So this is something that a lot of people don't understand.
	That Russia and the US are actually working on this together.
	Why would they do that?
	In China or Russia?
	Just a minute.
	China or Russia?
	Well, what I'm using this example is both Russia, China and these countries Behind the scenes are, in essence, playing a game board.
	And what their real objective is to do is to eliminate populations, to put their young men who are lounging around the streets, especially a lot of young Arab men that have no jobs, nothing else to do, to be recruited into armies, etc., and then to be used as cannon fodder.
	And young men in both the United States and Britain and other places To be able to demonstrate their hardware, to use this gunrunning and all of this.
	This is a game being played on the surface of the planet.
	I agree with a lot of what you've said.
	All I would say is, from my assessment of this, is yes, you're right, with regards to China and the US. You've got a kind of US empire and NATO. On the one hand and China on the other side.
	And I'll point to the fact that you've got, of course, you've got triads in China.
	You've got the similar kind of secret societies in the US through Freemasonry.
	And I don't know how much you've looked into the Triads, but their recognition signs, secret recognition signs, occult recognition signs are exactly the same as the Freemasons.
	Yes, absolutely.
	We're dealing with the same kind of, effectively, this goes back to witchcraft, if you look into it.
	You've got similar secret societies' covens and people who are basically working for their own interests in these covens against the rest of us.
	You do have, in the Yakuza societies, the triads, a similar thing to masonry.
	So that could possibly be true, that they're working one against the other, and maybe they have been doing this for centuries.
	But I don't agree with the Russians.
	Looking at the way Russia works, and having visited Russia a couple of years ago, I just feel, my feeling is that the Russians really are a kind of wild card in this.
	They may go with one side.
	They're trying their best to get on with the United States because they can see that in Europe and the US there's much more freedom of speech, for example.
	You criticize the government in China, you can easily end up in jail.
	That's not the situation in the US or in Britain or most of Europe, of course.
	That's allowed.
	That's encouraged.
	Well, it appears to be, although we have evidence that whistleblowers are still being killed, and certainly even our politicians were threatening to kill Snowden, saying that he should be shot, he should be killed, even publicly.
	I mean, there is this idea, though, that these major powers are behind the scenes working to orchestrate at least some of this.
	Now, there may be some acrimonious issues You know, issues between various militaries, for example.
	So it kind of depends on what level of the pyramid you're really talking.
	But I can say that one thing that Jordan Maxwell always says, it's one bird with two wings.
	And the two wings are, in essence, communism on one side and democracy on the other, or the U.S. on one side, symbolized by the Western countries and Russia on the other, but it's one bird at the top.
	It is also important to realize that Russia and the United States do work together in the secret space program and have for many, many years.
	And China is the odd person out.
	Now, I don't know if you know about what is called the Hinnok Prophecies by Billy Meyer.
	But in his dealings with what he calls the Nordics that he was dealing with.
	And some people discount that as being untrue.
	But if you look into what's called the Hennick prophecies, which are printed on the internet, it is very interesting to see that they do appear to be coming true.
	They were written years ago, and one of the things they talk about is this battle over Iran and Syria, and that eventually what will happen is that the U.S. and Russia, this is just according to that prophecy, it hasn't quite happened yet,
	but pay attention because It says that China will seem to be brought into this conflict, that Russia and the U.S. will be standing off, and initially that Russia and China will seem to be more aligned with Iran and that side, but eventually that Russia will rejoin the U.S. and turn against China, and that ultimately the endgame here is again a war with China.
	So it is interesting, you know, the stage we're at here, The posturing going on and this is something to watch, of course.
	You talking about posturing really triggers or fires off the synapses here because it's quite clear that Deutsche Bank have been kind of posturing using their threat of going under as a way of trying to reduce the fines.
	In the United States.
	So I don't know just how dangerous it really was there that they might have gone down.
	But look, look at the way that Putin came to power.
	That's another good way, I think, of assessing to what extent the Russians are involved in this kind of, you know, you're painting this picture of this kind of big international conspiracy, which certainly may well be some truth to it.
	But Putin's rise to power was really through, I think, a legitimate sort of tricking the people who thought they were going to be running Russia and taking over Russia, that is to say the oligarchs of the time.
	the oligarchs at the time.
	Right.
	And he managed to kind of, I think, outplay them at chess in order to, for the FSB and some of the Secret Service people in Russia to say, no, we're not having this oligarchy running this country.
	It's going to be much more democratic.
	And, of course, they have problems over at Russia Today.
	For example, you will never see Russia Today talking about the Communist Party.
	They'll never talk about it.
	Of course not.
	The main opposition party in Russia, it's kind of frozen out.
	So let's not ignore the fact that he is biased too in favor of Putin.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	But, you know, there are positive sides to the way Putin's running things.
	He's trying to play a very clever game, I think, being quite positive towards the U.S.
	Yes.
	I mean, I think he comes out as the level-headed one.
	I think that's what a lot of people would see about Putin at this time.
	That he is actually holding his, you know, sort of grandstanding and all of that.
	He's doing something, playing a very intelligent game, so to speak, and that's evident.
	I can't say exactly what his dealings are.
	Obviously, we're looking at the same mirror image here that all of us, and not being able to see quite behind the scenes what is really going on with these, what are so-called leaders and then their pressure groups, The people that are behind the scenes sort of pulling the strings and getting these leaders to do what they want.
	But he does appear to be operating a lot sort of on his own.
	The assault by the West, if you want, really since Napoleonic times.
	And so I think that they were kind of ready for the sort of games that the Europeans and the Americans are trying to play.
	You try to push them back and push them back.
	Also, there does seem to be genuine, genuine support for Putin within Russia.
	Certainly when I was in Moscow, it was like, you know, I felt like being in Soho in the 60s, you know, young people, Kerry, are so positive.
	They feel like, you know, you can see the youngsters feel like the world is their oyster.
	Things are getting better in Russia.
	Job opportunities are opening up for young people.
	That's marvelous.
	The old places which have been derelict for years are being restored, being looked after.
	The roads are being kind of re-tarmacked and lines put on them, this kind of thing, the main motorways, that sort of thing.
	And you get this sense that whatever Putin's doing, whether he's a good guy, bad guy, Illuminati or not, he's a very good manager and he's slowly getting the country back onto its feet again.
	One of the most important things, of course, he's been doing What any sensible politician does, which none of our Western ones do, is to wrest back control of the financial system from a bunch of privateers, privatizers.
	The private sector wants to use money for their own personal political benefit, as we've seen with RBS closing down Russian media bank accounts.
	I actually wanted to talk about Deutsche Bank because I was told by a back-channel person that when Deutsche Bank goes under that that's the signal of the demise of what is in essence going to be this takedown of the monetary system.
	I totally agree.
	It's the major flagship private It was based on Nazi gold.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, that's basically that bank.
	So now I don't know if, as you said, they're being rescued by, if some kind of back channel, you know, games are going to rescue them.
	Again, it is very troubling, though, I have to say.
	And obviously I'm coming from a different direction than maybe some of the people that interview you, Tony.
	But I am told that a lot of what is going on and what appears to be a war is On the surface here for oil and things like that is a complete facade.
	And that what's really going on is a battle, first of all, to get to, as I was saying before, to kill a lot of people.
	To decimate the infrastructure of the country.
	This is something that they did the same thing with Iraq.
	In essence, they want to put in a different ruler, but first they want to take down the entire infrastructure.
	So they're destroying Aleppo, you know.
	What is probably a beautiful ancient city is basically reduced to rubble.
	And the people, of course, are the collateral damage.
	This is always the case.
	So definitely that is going on.
	Look, if they really wanted to take over that country in one fell swoop...
	With the very high-tech weaponry they have at their disposal, first of all, they could kill Bashar in a heartbeat, sending what is, in essence, a scalar weapon pulse.
	They can also do it with a remote viewer.
	Remote viewers can kill people, in case you don't know, with their minds.
	So there would be no evidence of this.
	In other words, they are prolonging this takedown of the country with on purpose so that they can wrap in The demonstrations of their weapons of war that are actually, a lot of them, even antiques as we speak, that just need to be used and gotten rid of.
	They're also getting rid of a lot of troops.
	They're wrapping the entire world up in this kind of scenario that involves what appears to be immigration that then can destabilize Europe and destabilize Britain.
	And Britain has certainly been vulnerable to this situation.
	In other words, what I'm trying to paint here is a picture that involves an agenda that is long-term, that involves a lot of pieces that are being put in place.
	So people that just focus on the moment of what's going on on just the ground in Aleppo are going to miss the bigger picture here.
	No, I think you might well be right.
	Certainly my experience of the ruling class here in Britain, you know, the sort of London elite, if you want, is that for chatting to their people, Children who are a lot more freer about talking about what their parents say than their parents probably would be, is that they believe that the human race needs to be culled every once in a while and the wars are healthy and necessary.
	This is their attitude of people who are quite clearly above the law.
	They're not really interested in whether they're going to be touched by the law.
	As we've seen in the child sexual abuse scandal post Jimmy Savile, It's quite clear that for decades here in Britain, if you're well connected, if your so-called important people are involved, like MPs, senior police officers, etc., are your friends, then they're going to make sure that you don't get prosecuted for these kinds of offences.
	And that's one of the reasons why we've got this child sex abuse scandal has been brewing up here for such a long time.
	So I think you've got a mindset there Which is, well, we are totally invulnerable, we have as much money as we want, and the justice system is only for the little people, not for us.
	And, you know, in a way, this was bound to cause problems down the line, because these people will have to take measures in order to gain control of the criminal justice system, to get a great deal of influence in Particularly in the press, because of course the press, in a way, like the BBC World Service, is a kind of world's last court of appeal.
	If you've tried everything, then, you know, in the old days, I mean we're talking about 30, 40 years ago, you used to be able to go to places like the World Service and you'd get a hearing and maybe something would happen.
	Nowadays, of course, the media has been much more owned and controlled by the bad guys.
	And, you know, in a way, I think you can look at the three main monotheistic religions where all this fighting has been going on in the Middle East, Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
	And each one of them has got its kind of parasitic heresy attaching itself to it, almost like a kind of demon, you know, attaching itself to that honest, righteous faith, which is You know, it just wants to do good, wants to see good in the world, as all those three faiths are very, very positive.
	They're all about being nice to people, good to people, love your neighbor, all that kind of thing.
	And these heresies, effectively, where you've got Zionism attaching itself to Judaism and dragging that down, at least attempting to, you know, If anyone will believe it and then you've also got Christian Zionism with Christianity this complete heresy the idea that Netanyahu is some kind of God's gift to mankind you know and then with Islam you've got this Wahhabism which was created after the Second World War really by at least it was massively overfunded
	by when the creation of Saudi Arabia And the idea that loads of this oil money could be channeled into schools to teach people this Islamic heresy.
	So there's been very much a focus on the Middle East and doing all these...
	Well, whether you call it Islamic heresy or whether you call it just educate the people, I mean, there are mixed, you know, you can get into that whole Islamic...
	The thing of the core faith.
	Because the core faith in all those three faiths is good.
	There is.
	But there's also, yes...
	Definitely a complete, you know, a breakdown in what was, in essence, religions.
	But I have to say most religions are control-based anyway to control humans from my point of view.
	It's just a minute, Terry, because sentiments like the love of thy neighbour are positive, you know.
	Yes.
	Love your enemy.
	Actually, that's what we need.
	That's exactly the kind of thing we need people to be doing around the world in order to get on together.
	No one would argue with that.
	Listen, I want to ask you, I just spotted a message here on the BBC saying that WikiLeaks That they have shut down internet access for Julian Assange.
	There were some rumors going around that he might have even been killed and so on just recently.
	But apparently this is just coming out on the BBC today, just an hour ago.
	They're quite clearly ramping this up, aren't they, right now?
	What's happened is the Russians, I think the Russians are being honest in the way they're doing.
	They're actually effectively a kind of De facto United Nations, they're doing the job the UN should be doing, have blocked the US-British-NATO alliance in Syria quite effectively.
	And these guys are mad.
	They're getting crazy.
	They're getting annoyed.
	And so they're starting to thrash out, lash out, and do little other things they can to get back at the Russians or get back at their enemies, people that they don't like, because they're annoyed.
	And you're kind of dealing with, in a way, a kind of tiger That's been painted into a corner.
	I mean, that's mixing metaphors, but, you know, they're starting to get a little bit unstable and starting to show their hand as being, you know, the idea...
	Look, Julian Assange is the most important, the most impressive radical publisher on the planet, and he is publishing some amazing stuff.
	As people are going to him from all over the world leaking material to Assange, You know, he's not a guru or anything, but he's a very, very good investigative journalist, and that's why they hate that stuff.
	They want to keep us dumbed down, and Julian Assange is on a completely opposite mission, which is why they're so afraid of him.
	Well, I'm not so sure about that.
	There is some evidence that the Mossad are sheltering Assange, and I don't necessarily know how true that is, but I have had reports to this fact.
	Well, I'm sure a lot of us have...
	Trying to get close to him.
	Yeah, let me just say that this information about his internet seems to be wrapped around Ecuador.
	They're blaming Ecuador for shutting down...
	WikiLeaks says Ecuador has shut down internet access for its founder, Julian Assange.
	Meaning the Ecuadorian embassy has done this.
	But the question would be, who got the Ecuadorian embassy...
	To act in this way, and it seems to be surrounding Hillary's emails and the recent release of...
	Well, this will be a diplomatic threat by the U.S. to Ecuador, which probably hasn't come out.
	Yes, very possible.
	So this is now just breaking news and very interesting.
	What's in the leaked emails and what more was about to come out is the question of...
	I would say.
	So this is, again, very interesting.
	You know, I do want to say that Hillary's leaked emails...
	I kind of have a different point of view on this, and I just wanted to run this by you and see where you're at.
	Basically, the notion that, you know, there are a lot of top legislatures, top people that are in government...
	That are having probably places where they're doing secret emails, etc.
	Look, we know we're all under surveillance.
	These so-called leaders are no exception.
	They are making an example of this, of her sort of dealings.
	In my understanding, she is basically very involved in the cabal, etc.
	So this access to her emails also is somewhat of a goldmine for the people on the surface, sort of mainstream media.
	But it is not a surprise to someone like myself and other people that do investigative work, knowing that she's been working behind the scenes and been involved in many things that are being orchestrated by the United States government around the world.
	And so this access is also slightly misleading, I want to say, because the bottom line is what is her motivation for being involved in these things?
	You have to look beyond the incidents.
	In other words, we're looking at Benghazi and Benghazi, in my view, has not even been completely exposed as to what was really going on there.
	Certainly we know that our ambassador was killed.
	I do know that some gun running was going on there that the Mossad was very involved in and that that embassy was used in that way as well.
	You're talking about sarin gas coming to the surface.
	That may also...
	Yeah, that may also be just the tip of the iceberg as to what was going on.
	And that's only one embassy in a country that was, again, destabilized.
	Gaddafi, again, being a ruler that was put in place by the U.S., went off the reservation, then was taken out, just like Saddam Hussein.
	We have a pattern going on here.
	And you've got a situation in Syria where they may want access to what is in essence the Stargates.
	This, I would posit, is a whole different ballgame than what is being put in the media.
	A lot of this and the reasons for actions is distraction.
	So, you know, I'm just throwing that out.
	This is a much bigger game than what most people want to deal with.
	But what happens is why on the same day are we hearing news about Julian Assange losing his access to media?
	And at the same time, the pulling of the bank accounts, which supposedly would, in theory, cripple RT, another news outlet in Britain.
	What is going on behind the scenes in Britain that is actually cracking down on freedom of the press right now?
	What's about to happen to where they want to try to interfere?
	Well, that's a good question, isn't it?
	You're right.
	There's been a real ramping up of pressure since it became pretty clear that the Russians are going to back Assad to such an extent that there really is nothing.
	We had this crazy situation, didn't we?
	I was just reading about this a few weeks ago, where you've got British Special Forces inside Syria training the so-called moderate rebels, who are indistinguishable in many cases from al-Nusra, And the Russians basically phoning up the Brits and saying, look, we're about to bomb you guys.
	So the Brits jump in their jeeps and zoom off to leave the locals.
	They've just been training.
	Many of them, of course, are not actually from Syria.
	They're from other parts of the world.
	They're part of Al Jazeera to their fate.
	And the Russians then bombing them from the air.
	So you've got a farcical situation going on in Syria.
	And it's become pretty clear that Britain, America, et cetera, have lost their little gain.
	With ISIS, the idea that they can pretend that they're going in there to try and stop these Islamists has been completely chipmated by the Russians.
	And so they're looking now for more options.
	They always seem to want to move this whole thing forward.
	It'd be nice if they could just go home to their ranches or whatever and, I don't know, go for a swim, chill out or whatever.
	But they don't want to do that.
	They've got to keep advancing the whole time, it seems.
	And what's going on here in the UK, which was your particular point, was I think We're dealing with a fairly new government, and what's happening is that the oligarchy is pushing this government, as they've done today.
	This is an attack on our Chancellor of the Exchequer, Philip Hammond.
	The idea that he has got no say as to whether a Russian state organisation has or doesn't have a bank account in London is ridiculous.
	Of course, he should be stepping in, he should be making statements, etc., and yet his boss Theresa May has said, as I noticed on Zero Hedge earlier, I said that this has got nothing to do with us.
	Well, of course it does.
	They just want to shrug this kind of thing off.
	They're crazy.
	I mean, they don't expect, honestly, intelligent British people to believe that this is no concern of the British state, whether or not the Russian broadcaster is or is not allowed to operate in London.
	On the wider question, We're dealing with a whole series of fraudulent elections in 2015, last year, which brought the Conservatives to power.
	31 different Members of Parliament here, Conservative Members of Parliament.
	There has been submissions made to the police to show That their election expenses were fraudulent.
	In other words, they spent too much, usually by quite a large degree, on that election.
	Therefore, by law, there should be a recount.
	The election is void and they have to have another election.
	Now, that wipes out the Conservative majority quite easily.
	If they were to actually go through those by-elections and have the new MPs elected, Conservatives don't have a majority anymore.
	And so they can't be in the government.
	So you've got a big political sort of thing boiling under the surface there, where it's really just down to the individual chief constables across the country as to whether they want to pursue those inquiries or not.
	And it looks as if they're deciding, well, we're just going to kick this into the long grass and forget about it.
	You know, so that shows you how fragile effectively the credibility Let's talk about Theresa May a moment and what is actually going on with her because there are some very strange sort of machinations going on at this moment and also to do with Brexit.
	Do you have any thoughts about all of that?
	Her track record is appalling.
	Her track record is as Home Secretary under Cameron She's decimated our prisons and our police forces.
	There's something like 15% of police officers were lost under her watch.
	So that's just basically, you know, mostly through natural wastage, not recruiting new police officers.
	So she's done quite a lot in order to erode the rule of law in Britain, and yet nobody really seems to be calling her to account for it.
	The other thing is in the prisons.
	Now, Kerry, the prisons in Britain are in a terrible, terrible state.
	We just had another report last week about the number of suicides in prisons the number of violent assaults in prisons because the prison officers simply there's not enough around in order to keep order within the prisons and this is to me I'm afraid cynical of me I'm saying well actually this is just about the rundown of the government the rundown of public services in our individual local authorities like here in Bristol a massive rundown in things like basic care for the elderly And
	money for social services, this sort of thing.
	It's all just draining away.
	Absolutely.
	Well, I've been to Britain and I've seen this.
	It is appalling the number of poor on the streets in Britain, actually.
	And the poverty is very evident, even out, you know, on the outskirts of London, to say nothing of inner London, the part that is not where the big city, you know, sort of the lovely part of London.
	So, you know, this is what we're talking about.
	There is a lot of erosion.
	I understand that people are simply not going out as much in London.
	I know that this is also happening.
	No, it seems that media not reporting this, but we're seeing restaurants, even in the West Coast here in America, starting to cut corners rather strenuously, indicating what is in essence, you know, a crisis that we're having.
	Well, look, I just, we have to end soon, but I'd like to end on something a bit positive, really.
	One thing is this wonderful quote by Donald Trump, which has been going around here the last few days.
	I don't know if it's probably, we're probably a week behind you here, saying that only explosives could have brought down the World Trade Center on 9-11.
	This is a really, actually, because 9-11 is such a key part of our kind of global international relations policy, is an important thing for Donald Trump to have said.
	And it's great that he said it.
	Even if he's wrong.
	On the level of, we're really talking about basically what is in essence a scalar weapon and mini nukes, etc.
	So it's a misdirect in a certain sense, but I appreciate the sentiment.
	It's a step in the right direction.
	It's a step in the right direction, Carrie.
	Yes, I get it.
	We've got to kind of, I think, grab onto these little bits of positivity and say, wow, well done.
	You know, it's important that we're actually going, you know, there's a lot of criticism of people for being a little bit half-hearted about these things.
	That's fine, of course, but at least he's heading in the better direction than Hillary.
	He doesn't seem to care about any of that.
	The other thing is I've heard some quite good news from the Canadian 9-11 Truth Professor Anthony Hall, who was sacked just, I think, about 10 days ago.
	From his university in Alberta, in Canada, Lethbridge University.
	Anthony Hall has written an absolutely brilliant book, which I have no hesitation in recommending to all your viewers and listeners, and that is a book called Earth Into Property, and it's all about the colonisation of the United States, mostly by the Bristolians, of course, where I'm speaking to you from, John Cabot and his crew, and then of course the Plymouth Brethren etc after that.
	The way that the British, mainly the British, went into the United States and started this conversion of our God-given planet, you know, the free gift to mankind, this wonderful earth that is the United States, was commodified and privatized by the British.
	Earth into Properties is his book, but the good news is there's a legal threat, a legal challenge now against the It's called the War on Terror.
	Yeah, very, very, very true.
	Well, I mean, if you want to end on a positive note, what I would say is what you have to look at is the consciousness and the fact that people are waking up all over the world.
	And Camelot is in a position to know this because we get emails constantly from people who are watching our broadcast, as well as the broadcast all over YouTube, in which people are investigating to find out the real truth of what's going on in their neighborhoods,
	around the world and with these situations so if you look hard enough you can find people that are investigating the truth about anything that goes out there and what's really going on behind the scenes this is the positive note that all people want to hear this is the real positive not just some fake feel-good you know type of situation so I do appreciate, though, the energy and the thought that you have about all of this.
	And certainly, individuals will have some positive developments in their own lives that are lovely.
	And, you know, we do have, let me just say, we do have positive ETs working behind the scenes on our behalf as well.
	You know, I'm actually an incurable optimist when all is said and done.
	I do think getting the truth out, though, shouldn't inhibit you being optimistic.
	Have you heard of the term pro-noia?
	Yeah, there you go.
	There you go, you see, and I think actually there are some people, you know, certainly people in secret services, people in the military, people who are in powerful positions around the world behind the scenes who are actually decent people and they're working on our behalf.
	Say, for example, there's some kind of corruption going on, they'll shred it, they'll make sure it disappears and never comes to court, that kind of thing.
	Anyhow, thanks ever so much for inviting me on again, Kerry.
	Lovely to speak to you and it's nice, I think, the way we have a bit of a, you know, we're both coming from different perspectives but both pulling in the same direction.
	Absolutely.
	Well, it's lovely to have you on again, Tony.
	And, you know, let's do this again, you know, because people would love to hear from you.
	We love getting your reports.
	We love, you know, your perspective of being in Britain and being the wonderful investigator who also has a background in history.
	That's what I really relish in talking to you because you can always bring those, you know, those historical pieces of information in to match what's going on today.
	And to give that some perspective.
	I've always been a little bit guilty as an English person because of the English Civil War.
	You know, this was one of the beginnings of capitalism, you know, where the old city-state merchants took over in a entire country and started messing the world up with their empire.
	There you go.
	Well, I appreciate that.
	If you're on our show...
	Which is a current affairs program on the radio here in Bristol every Friday.
	I don't know what the time will be over there, but it's 5 till 7 UK time.
	It's at the website thisweek.org.uk and you can download the podcast, listen to them in your car, wherever you happen to be, and you'll find that we have a bit of fun on the radio too, Kerry.
	Excellent.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Well, there are good journalists everywhere, in spite of all the ones that are actually, you know, page shrills.
	So, you know, it's important to keep in mind.
	All the best.
	Cheerio.
	All right.
	Take care.
	Thanks so much for showing up at the last minute there.
	Sorry about that.
	All right.
	Bye-bye.
	Okay, well, that was lovely to actually get Tony on the air here, and I hope all of you enjoyed that as much as I did.
	He's extremely knowledgeable, and I like to challenge him.
	I like to give him sort of a different perspective and see what he does with it.
	I think it's worth listening to.
	And he's extremely knowledgeable and has great information.
	So the world stage that we're dealing with is extremely active.
	If you heard a lot of what I was talking about earlier, I hope you enjoyed that as well.
	As I say, please do send If anyone is able to gather any questions that came for Mark Richards specifically in the chat, we are still looking for donations because I'm going there on Friday.
	It does cost me money when I have to travel and pay...
	Room and board and things like this and so on.
	And as always, it's great that everyone is watching and people are waking up and thinking with discernment about what's really going on here.
	It's so important not just to just take the surface information but to dig deep and to do your own homework and And to think for yourself and not just fall for the easy targets here.
	A lot of what's going on on planet Earth is being orchestrated.
	And we are pushing back now.
	The more awake you are, the more you can push back.
	So that's what it's all about.
	So thanks again for watching.
	And I will have a couple shows later this week that I will announce soon.
	So stay tuned to my Twitter and to Project Camelot Portal for more information.
	So have a great day and thanks for listening and thanks for watching.

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