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March 17, 2016 - Project Camelot
01:55:18
RICHARD BARTLETT AND MELISSA JOY - FULL VERSION - EDITED FOR SOUND
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Thank you.
Thank you.
this on the screen now so that you can see the poster.
Yeah, so I've read actually several of their books and I want to say that Richard did do some sessions on me to help me with my healing about six months ago and you can see the results are rather excellent.
So I want to thank Richard publicly here and I want to say that I have experimented with their techniques and what they do and it works.
I can actually vouch for that.
I've got a kind of a funny anecdote along those lines.
And so without further ado, I want to introduce you to them here.
Melissa Joy and Richard Bartlett, welcome.
Hi, thank you very much.
Okay, and you're now live and people can see you.
So what I wanted to do was just kind of read your bios.
You sent me a short bio on both counts, and they're fairly involved, but I'm going to see if I can skim over it fairly quickly here.
Dr.
Richard Bartlett holds a doctorate in chiropractic, From Parker Chiropractic College and a degree in naturalopathic medicine from Baxter University, Dr.
Bartlett is a developer of Matrix Energetics, Master Energy Dynamics, and Holosynchronous Energetic Technology Systems.
And these paradigms utilize the principles and sciences of subtle energy and quantum physics, coupled with the incredible power of active imagination and focused intent to produce physically verifiable effects that often defy rational explanation.
Dr.
Bartlett has been teaching these systems at seminars around the world to thousands of participants since 2008 and he's helped thousands of people transform themselves through his practice and national seminars He is an author, and they've got a number of books.
I'm not going to read all the titles, but they all seem to have Matrix somewhere in the title.
And I think possibly the most well-known one is The Physics of Miracles, although you can correct me if I'm wrong there.
And then Melissa Joy Johnson is best known for her ability to engage people from all over the world to embrace their true authentic power through accessing universal consciousness by playing in the field of the heart.
She has a unique perspective on how we are able to experience living joyfully and loving completely from a state of grace.
Melissa has been teaching popular life transformational matrix energetic seminars around the globe since 2008.
And she is the founder and instructor of the M Joy of Being seminar series, a unifying movement in consciousness dedicated to exploring and expanding heart centered awareness and practical personal empowerment for everyone.
And she is the author of a number of books as well, which I won't read all the titles here just to save you.
And all of this information is available on my website as well as on YouTube where this interview will be posted.
She has a bachelor's degree in psychology from University of California at Santa Barbara, and she completed graduate studies at Pepperdine University's Graziado School of Business and Management.
Not sure if I say that right.
So that's about the overview for both of them, and so welcome, and I'm very excited, as I say, to get you guys on the air here with me.
I think we've been trying to schedule this for months, and it hasn't been easy.
I travel and you travel, so that added to our complexity.
But here you are, and it's excellent to have you, and I think you are actually on location somewhere, San Francisco or somewhere right now?
That's correct.
Okay.
We're getting ready to teach at Matrix Center.
Teaching for three days and tonight's our night to share.
Okay, excellent.
Well, we're going to go for at least an hour and a half.
And if there are lots of questions, we'll take those questions.
If there aren't, then I let you go early.
So we'll see how it goes.
That means actually we have a chat.
So there's a chat where people can type their questions and I offer to allow them to participate and ask you live questions here.
What I'd like you to do is briefly introduce yourself in a more personal way.
And let's start with Richard Bartlett.
And Richard, if you can sort of give a short overview of who you think you are at this point and what you're involved in.
I have very specific questions I'm going to ask each of you as we go down the line.
So don't worry if you don't cover...
I'm not expecting you to...
I'll give a long explanation at this point, just a short sort of augmentation of what we just covered.
So go ahead.
I don't know who I am anymore.
Certainly not a doctor, not a guru, not a technician.
The energy and consciousness that we work with flows through me, and I do my best to get out of the way.
That's where we're at at this point.
Now, when that happens, things that look like miracles can't occur, but miracles, as you understand, Kerry, are just a misunderstood level of science that we perhaps haven't mastered yet, but has been mapped in scalar physics and other things.
I think that a lot of what I do now is, for one thing, it's something Melissa says, I try just to be my authentic self, which is a bit of a goofball and a bit of a scientist.
And somewhere in between, if you had Robin Williams teaching quantum physics while in LSD, it would be something like that.
Okay.
I think that's actually not a bad description based on what I've seen.
I've watched some of your videos and, you know, my interactions as short as they have been.
I think you are something like that.
You're actually quite an amusing guy.
Maybe you could have been a stand-up comedian in another life.
Okay, Melissa, your turn.
Well, I'll just add that one of the things that Richard does brilliantly, particularly in the seminars, is he gives people permission to step out of their box, out of their strong sense of identifying who they think they are and the way that they've been programmed to behave and conform in society.
One of the things that I model in the Matrix Energetic Seminars and in all platforms that I teach on is something that I also model in everyday life is to seek to inspire people to be empowered to be their true authentic self, not the self that has bought into all
the programming that is going on in the grid of the collective consciousness, but the true authentic self that wells up from the field of the heart that is the soul's unique expression wishing to be reflected in all endeavors.
And so when we get together in a Matrix Energetic Seminar, we're truly modeling authenticity, spontaneity, playfulness like little children in one moment.
And then in the very next moment, we can get completely intellectual and deliver a monologue of high-level multidimensional physics or torsion-filled physics that explain the Inherent interconnectivity of everything in the universal hologram.
And then the very next moment we might be laughing spontaneously, playing like little children.
And this gets people's attention because it's not your typical seminar.
It's not a...
Thank you so much.
So who I am in all that, it was very interesting to hear you read the bio because I was thinking to myself, these things that you were sharing about me, I can relate to them from a frame of reference of remembering having those experiences, but that's not at all who I am today.
I came from a background in the pharmaceutical industry.
Where I was very committed to allegedly helping to heal people.
And after about 10 years in that profession, I realized that was not what was really going on.
And there was a whole other side to that profession that I think you're probably familiar with and many of our viewers are familiar with.
And that led me essentially to kind of a crisis of consciousness.
I started getting sick.
My body was breaking down.
Things were not working in my life.
And yet, from an external frame of reference, everything looked pretty successful.
And by all intents and purposes, I should have been happy.
That led me on a journey to explore different ways of being and relating and expanding consciousness.
And eventually I found Matrix Energetics along that journey.
And The very first time I encountered the field, it was as though I was remembering a very familiar energetic language.
It was a subtle conversation and consciousness that had nothing to do with what was being said on the platform.
And there was a familiarity to me and a curiosity that was evoked that made me want to explore So the experience of reality more deeply and more expansively, and that's what the field of matrix energetics offers, not only to us, but to everyone who comes into contact with it, is the ability to really tap into the truth of the nature of reality, not the illusion that we've all bought into.
Okay, well, that's actually a very, very good overview and more than I asked for.
And I appreciate that because, you know, it's great to give an intro.
My next, you know, thing was going to have you introduce Matrix Synergetics in a sense you have.
And I want to say to everyone that actually I have read their books and I can tell you that this does work for me and I have used their healing techniques as well as Richard, as I mentioned earlier, I think, did some healing on me in the early days of my issue that I had on the right side of my face.
And I used a lot of acupuncture after that and basically got things back to normal for the most part.
So anyway, what I want to also do though is now move over to Richard and actually ask him to tell some of the anecdotes at the very beginning of his book.
I'm sure maybe you end up telling these stories constantly, so I hope I'm not going to drive you crazy.
I'm already crazy.
It's too late for that.
There's so many, you know, it's like a band that has to play the same old song over and over again because people love it.
There's a reason for that, right?
So my audience is not going to know, unless they've read your books, your stories.
So just think of this as an amazing first chance to approach these people.
And I actually have an ulterior motive because I believe your techniques...
Can be used, expanded to more than just healing the body and maybe some of the things in your social life or whatever.
I actually think they can, if expanded into our, you know, the basic hologram to all people in the morphic field that we all share, that we could change the world.
And that's why I titled this interview, Changing the World with Matrix 2.
So, it's a tall bill, and what I'd like you to do is introduce it in the way I think only you can in the sense that you had these very specific things, one of which was meeting this turbaned gentleman on a road in what I think was the snow, but the other things had happened in the snow as well, it sounded like.
So, if you could share a couple of those things.
Well, I'll start in a very...
I don't know that you have heard this, but I'll start in a very sort of atypical place, talking about how...
I know that all of us, I would say probably listening to this interview, have wound up where they are in consciousness, not by trying to get there by planning their life, or by consciously planning their life anyway.
I think we plan our lives, obviously, and we're very...
Precise in that planning at inner levels, but what appears to be random events never is.
And so I'll start at a very strange place, two places actually.
I'll start first with the birth of my son who was born with bronchitis, asthma, allergies, and got pneumonia every third week of his life when I was in the third month of chiropractic school back in 1983.
And I was at a very progressive school, Parker Chiropractic College at the time.
There was just 27 students there in my class, and they had set it up so that all of the classes interlocked.
So I brought my son to all these experts in the chiropractic field attempting to find a solution.
I didn't find a solution for what was happening to him until I was three years into school.
And then some things happened that changed my life quite a lot.
But I want to say one thing that would not be where you would think this would typically go is that I learned that little children will bite you if you stick your finger in their mouth.
And one of the things that you can do, and I've been trained to do, is intraoral cranial techniques where you can Move the sphenoids and move the internal cranking structures by pushing up on the roof of the mouth.
I did that on my son.
It's one of the many things I tried in attempting to help him, and he bit me like a snapping turtle.
And he wouldn't let go.
And I was even pounding on his forehead.
It's not nice for a father to admit this, but I was pounding on his forehead, threatening to flush him down the toilet.
That's when he actually let go.
But he was laughing and holding on, and I was like running around in terrible pain.
That memory, that kind of thing, and I've been bit by a snappy curl so I know what it feels like, that kind of thing will stay with you.
So when we fast forward to what happened in Matrix Energetics that was the first initial thing that I noticed, this will make sense.
The other thing I want to say that's another strange place to go is I was throwing newspapers.
When I got to chiropractic school, the reason that I went to chiropractic school is because I had a chiropractor who was clairvoyant.
He could see energy.
And so my only experience with chiropractic at that point was somebody that could look into the body, see where there were dark blockages, click his little activator machine in the air over something, Correcting the acupuncture points, the chakras, or what have you.
And he would tell me, you see that light in the body?
And then he would turn it on and he'd make these funny exploding sounds.
Well, that was my experience.
Dr.
Jacques Rowe, he's still alive and still working as a chiropractor.
He probably must be 86 years old or something.
But anyway, I went to chiropractic school thinking that was chiropractic.
But the reason I got to school is he had a description for healing that I have used actually in my Holosynchronous Energetic Technology Systems class.
He said that healing was the restoration of perfect patterns of energy flow.
So I wrote that on my application to chiropractic school.
Why did I want to be a chiropractor?
And I said, and what my definition of healing was.
And I said, my definition of healing is restoration of perfect patterns of energy flow.
Jim Parker, who's famous, the Parker Chiropractic System, brought the chiropractors out of the back alley into the big clinics, as I like to say.
He read that and freaked out.
He said, I want this boy to be a chiropractor.
So I was out throwing newspapers.
I was a bass player, and although I'd had some breakthrough experiences with that, I could partly support myself and I got back home to my grandmother's house and she said, there's somebody on the line for you from the National Chiropractic Board and they want to give you a scholarship to come to school.
So I collected money on my paper route and went to school on $650 and that was disastrous.
It's okay.
I mean, there's a time, Kerry, I think, and you know this, and your listeners know it, when if you don't do something, there's an interval where it's a key point, and if you do it then, then that happens.
Okay, so I get to chiropractic school, but I don't have a job.
And I still need to make money.
So I could throw papers.
So I was throwing the Dallas Morning News on the weekend before Thanksgiving, which is one of the worst days possible.
The papers are the size of actual Yuletide logs.
And so I was throwing the paper, and I threw it up onto this porch, and I dislocated my thumb.
And it was so bad.
It was painful.
It stayed that way for years.
And so in the chiropractic classes, there are certain ways of adjusting, you know, certain things with your thumb.
I couldn't do that.
So I had to develop a different way of doing things where I was pulling.
And it was wrong, but I got very good at it.
Very, very good at it.
Well, this is important.
Now...
Imagine someone biting your finger, right, hurting you, and then also hurting your thumb like that, how that could lead to some sort of magnificent thing, but it did.
What happened is, because I developed this ability, I went into practice and kept doing it that way.
Then I was on staff with Elizabeth Clare Prophet as her doctor for a number of years because of skills I acquired in helping my son, and At one point in 1996, well, actually 1994, I decided I needed to go to naturopathy school, which she, in fact, and the big turban guy you mentioned, encouraged me to do.
In fact, the turban guy, his name is El Morya, and he's an Ascended Master, said, I have need of you at a higher level.
Go to school.
So I went to school, but the thing is...
Okay, but I wanted you to tell, I'm just going to stop you there, because before you go further, I want you to tell how you connected with that turban guy on the road.
Oh, I will.
I will.
Just give me a minute.
Okay, fine.
Yeah, see, the thing is, you have to make sense of this, because the context of it, I think if you understand it, you'll see the beauty of the tapestry of how that worked.
Okay, go right ahead.
So I'm in school, and then while I was going to naturopathic school, I was still a chiropractor.
But because my thumb was injured back when I told you, I went on the chiropractic test in...
I went to Seattle and I failed the test because my setup was wrong because I was used to doing it wrong because it hurt to do it the other way.
And they failed the test.
Because I failed the test, I had to drive to Montana every other weekend through the snow.
There's the snow you talked about.
In order to run my practice that I still had in Montana, my license.
And then I would drive back all the way, 13 hours one way through snowy passes usually, to go back to Nature Pathway School, which was 31 credit hours a semester.
Okay, so on one of those drives, I had to leave kind of late, and there was a blizzard.
And so I got to my office at 8 in the morning, worked all day long, And then, at the end of the day, this little girl came in with her mother and the girl had a lazy eye.
This is one of the stories you're talking about.
And I knew that I could go in and do the cranial technique, and that might help that lazy eye, because you can affect the cranial nerves that way.
It's not the only way you can.
But back to, I told you it would be significant, little children bite.
So I knew if I stuck my finger in her mouth, I knew she'd bite me, and I wasn't going to do that.
Well, that was the only technique I had in my whole bag that would have helped.
So I didn't know what to do, and I was hallucinating because of this other thing, injured thumb.
I was hallucinating because I had to drive back and forth because I didn't have a license in Washington.
And so I saw Superman, George Reeves, the 50s Superman, standing there and this vision sent an x-ray beam into the little child's eyes, into the forehead.
I saw a blockage of energy there.
I then touched where I saw the blockage because I didn't know what else to do.
And the blockage broke up and the little girl started blinking and said, I see two of you, Dr.
Bartlett.
And she was about seven years old.
Well, she was seeing with what's called binocular vision for the first time.
And her brain had not yet superimposed the two-image to create a stereoscopic image.
She ran into walls for a day.
But anyway, she was healed in that instant.
And the next day, I was exhausted.
I went to sleep.
The next day, I got up.
That vision was still there, offering to help, and then merged into my body, sort of like in the third Superman movie where Clark and Superman fight, and then they merge.
That's what happened.
Okay, so that day, that first day, this would be the first day of Matrix Energetics.
It wasn't called that.
It was called Me.
I thought it was Me.
Um...
Everybody I touched had a vertebrae move and all sorts of things would happen.
And in fact, the word got around because I was part of that spiritual community in Montana, and I worked until midnight that day, okay?
So I got done with all that, had to get back in the car, drive all the way back to Seattle, and got deathly ill.
I got double pneumonia for about, I don't know, three weeks.
And when I touched somebody who went to massage me, they said, what is that energy?
And I didn't even know it was still there because I was weak as a kitten.
So then, when I got well, I went, and this is the other story you're asking me to tell.
When I got well, I had to drive back and go back to work in Montana.
I was taking my daughter home.
She lived up in Big Sky, Montana.
It's this big mountain.
I was in a 66 GTO. That's when I drove, which you don't drive those on the snow very well.
But anyway, I was coming down the mountain.
I said, I'm coming down the mountain.
There's this giant figure in the middle of the road holding up his hand like this.
And then all of a sudden, and I pulled, and it was El Moria, I recognized him.
He's about six foot five or more.
I pulled alongside the road, in the blizzard, in the snow, another blizzard, and he came right into the car and touched me on the third eye, and he said to me, I will let you have what it is you want in this life.
If you will promise, you will never raise your hand to any part of life.
I said, I promise, and then he nodded his head and said, let it begin.
And that's the story you wanted me to tell.
Okay.
Alright, you broke up when you said, I will let you have this if you, what was the rest?
Yeah, that's what happens when I raise my hand sometimes.
I'm sorry you didn't say it.
I will let you have what it is you wish in this life, which was, by the way, to help or heal people, if you will promise never to raise your hand to harm any part of life.
And I said, I promise, and he raised his hand to my forehead and said, let it begin.
And here we are.
Okay.
All right.
So now you've had some other things happen as well.
You had a life-death experience with the car that was absolutely miraculous, it seems to me.
It was.
You know, and I don't know.
I want to continue this interview, and I know we're taking a lot of time with you right now, so I don't want Melissa to feel left out because we're going to definitely get to her.
Not to worry.
If you could tell that little vignette, I think, because again, I want to kind of paint a picture for people that you're not just the run-of-the-mill people out there sort of, you know, doing some schtick, you know, in seminars, but you're the real thing.
So, go ahead.
I appreciate that.
I've been running through the mill, but that's different.
Yeah.
This is another one of those on the road driving somewhere to earn money as a chiropractor.
And that story is kind of funny because what happened is I was psychic, clairvoyant, and that was kind of a bad thing in the activity I was a part of with Elizabeth Clare Prophet.
And I went from treating 30 people a day to three overnight because someone told her, he's psychic, and she banned me from treating her chiropractor.
And that was my whole business, was her community.
So I actually had an event happen, which is pretty interesting.
When I was still in Dallas, where I went to school, I had this man come in who had very high blood pressure, and his sister came in with him, and they filmed me.
And I was doing something called TBM, Total Body Modification, which you can look up on the internet, Dr.
Victor Frank.
And I worked on this man, and basically I figured out that one of his kidneys had been taken out when he was in high school, and he'd been anesthetized, so his body didn't know it was missing, so he kept trying to raise the blood pressure to get the kidney to work.
I brought the awareness into the kidney, got it working, and his blood pressure went down and normalized, and he could be off his medications.
So they filmed me for this.
So then when I actually did not have a clientele suddenly, the Mormons, they were Mormons, the Mormons kicked in and said, we want you to come treat our whole community.
So I was driving at 4 o'clock in the morning to go do that, and I left late because there was, again, a blizzard.
It was Montana.
This is common in Montana.
And I was driving in this old Chevy Impala car.
It was a rusted rust bucket, but it had a good engine.
And I was going probably 85 miles an hour because I was very late.
I had to be there at 8.
It was a six-hour drive, and I was trying to make it at 4.
Well, outside of Butte, Montana, I found out that what my first wife told me, watch out for the black ice, and I said, what black ice?
I've never seen it.
Well, you can't see it.
It's invisible.
I hit black ice at 85 miles an hour on a bridge.
And I spun out of control, and I was going straight at the pylons, a concrete pylon on the bridge, at 65 miles an hour, and I knew I was dead, because I had a little lap strap.
There was no, you know, there was no stuff to break my fall.
There was no laps.
There was nothing.
You know, it was just, you're going to hit the thing and die.
And I peaked.
I peaked right before I hit, because I wanted to know how fast I was going when I died.
And this blue flash of lightning, it was almost like an electronic form, if you could imagine.
A bunch of little crosses and white lightning sort of thing happened.
And I was suddenly out of my body.
I wasn't in the car.
I don't know where I was.
I think I dissolved.
And the car hit the bridge full force.
I never felt it.
I wasn't there.
I came back into my body completely uninjured, and the car was still running.
The fender was bent terribly.
I had to get out and lay on the ground at 40 below weather and kick, thank God I had strong legs, kick the fender back out so I could drive.
But it was an absolute miracle that it was drivable.
I went all the way to the place where I had to go, treated I don't know how many people, drove home in that car, all the way home, six hours, and it died forever in my driveway.
I do believe in angels.
I do, I do, I do.
Excellent.
Okay.
Thank you very much for that.
I want you to know that when you see me bend over here, what I'm doing is I'm actually looking at the chat because we have a chat on the side here so I can actually see what people are saying.
And most people that do listen to us are used to me, so they will know that they need to put their questions in all caps as we progress through this interview, and then we're going to try to get you guys to answer some questions towards the end.
So, that's lovely.
Now, what I wanted to do was kind of go back over to Melissa at this point.
And I want to say, you know, like I said, I think I've read, I don't know, at least three books.
One that I think you kind of wrote together.
The Physics of Miracles.
I don't know if you'd consider you wrote it together, but I know that Melissa helped you a great deal with that book.
I knew you wrote a book before that.
I read that.
And I also read Melissa's book, which is...
What's the title of your book, Melissa?
The first book that I wrote solely on my own was M. Joy Practically Speaking, and it's Matrix Energetics and Living Your Infinite Potential.
And it's really about a journey into the field of the heart and exploring the universal hologram Leveraging some of the principles that are taught in Matrix Energetics.
And then I've subsequently published two books since that book came out in March of 2014.
Okay, excellent.
And what I wanted to do, that's good, show and tell, it's all good.
So in terms of your own personal life, you had some kind of your own healing, right, that happened.
Can you talk about that or would you mind talking about that a bit?
I'd absolutely love to share, and really, I think healing kind of happens throughout the progression of our experience in physicality.
As Richard was sharing some of his stories, I was suddenly remembering my first out-of-body experience that I had when I was seven and being told, remember this experience, it's going to come in quite handy later, which you could call a healing to some extent, because when we remember healing, That we're much more than this physical body than we have access to all the information that's available.
But to answer your question specifically, as I mentioned in the prior question, I had had a very successful career in the pharmaceutical industry, and about 11 or 12 years into the career, as I was climbing the corporate ladder, so to speak, I started to get really, really sick, and I could not find A doctor that would give me a correct diagnosis.
In fact, depending upon the specialist that I would see, I would get a different diagnosis and I'd get a different prescription and that would create different side effects that would then render me subject to a whole new diagnosis.
So I was doctor shopping.
I had access to the best medical experts around the world because that was what my job was.
I was hobnobbing with them and influencing their prescribing habits.
And this led me essentially on a journey into expanding beyond the allopathic model.
If I couldn't prescribe it away, then I needed to find some other solution.
And I started studying complementary modalities, complementary medicine, Eastern medicine, everything that looks at the body and our being as a whole being and not just compartmentalizing us into fragmented pieces that we can then slice and dice and fix.
Or put a band-aid on it and say it's all better.
And through the course of my journey and my searching that took a number of years, I encountered the field of matrix energetics, among other consciousness-expanding ways of relating.
And in the experience of hearing The teachings of Matrix Energetics, I began to relate to my condition and my disease in a very different way.
It's something that we talk about a lot in the Matrix Energetics seminars.
I essentially let go.
I got neutral to...
The idea that I may have this debilitating condition for the rest of my life or I may not have this condition, but I was neutral and that created an opening or a portal as an opportunity for something to be different in the very next moment.
I had no charge for or against it.
Well, in the experience of letting go, getting neutral, and allowing for what was unfolding in my experience of reality, within a few weeks, all of my symptoms literally went away.
And that got my attention after not being able to find a cure for more than seven years.
When something like that happens to you, we call it a healing, right?
If it happens spontaneously, we call it a miracle.
For me, it was a spontaneous miracle that probably had been occurring for 20, 25 years.
And...
What that led me to discover within myself was that my condition was really serving me in a number of different ways, but most ultimately it was kind of a placeholder for where I was out of alignment or out of integrity with my situations and my circumstances in my life.
And I created this perfect way of calibrating when I was out of integrity.
When I changed up those circumstances and I became more congruent with the outer reality to match the inner reality, there was no longer a need for my body to generate signals called a condition or a disease in order to get my attention.
So did Matrix Energetics heal me?
Honestly, no.
Does Matrix Energetics heal anyone?
Honestly, no.
Do people heal in Matrix Energetics?
Honestly, absolutely yes.
With tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of healing stories, but really what the field of Matrix Energetics provides for anyone and everyone who comes into contact with it is an opportunity to activate one's own inherent healing that may be lying dormant and the ability to see oneself Clearly,
like Matrix Energetics is a mirror that reflects back to us our own innate healing and our own inner, you could call it a divinity, you could call it wholeness, you could call it well-being.
It doesn't care what we call it.
It simply wants to express.
So I've had many other healings in my life.
I can very much relate to your comments earlier about Matrix Energetics really has the potential to transform the grid of the collective consciousness and what I call our love hologram.
It is a consciousness expanding technology that's much more than a healing modality because it has the ability to expand the way that we've constructed our reality, the way we perceive reality, our perceptual biases, our Our boxes that we're running around in and it expands our ability to tap into this universal field of unconditional love and limitless information where anything becomes possible.
And that's what it offers to everyone and that is a new way of being beyond the old paradigm where we're living in duality based on limitation, separation and And really compartmentalization and fragmentation of spirituality.
This is an integration of spirituality as practicality.
Very well said.
Yes, absolutely.
And let me see.
What I would like you guys to do now is, and, you know, I'm just, I guess, take turns with both of you, but I think I want both of you to answer this question, okay?
So in whatever order, you know, if you want to sort of decide between you, I'm not going to assign it to one prior to the other.
I want you to choose who talks first, but...
I would like you to explain the two-point technique at this point because I think it's the simplest, clearest demonstration in a very pragmatic way of what we're talking about when we're even talking about this thing you call in general matrix energetics that you've described very well in theory, but in practice, can you talk about how to do two-point?
Well, at this point, understand, but I want to correct one little thing, Carrie, is that I've actually been teaching Matrix Energetics since 2003.
And the book was written around, oh God.
2006.
Well, it came out in 2006.
It came out in 2006.
It was written around 2003.
And so it's very different what's in that first book, although people can relate to that first book because that first book is much more linear in its explanations.
So to take the first part of that and go to the linear part of that is it came from an understanding in my mind of something called motion palpation.
I get palpitation and palpation confused.
Where if something's moving here, you can see it move, and then if you find a place where it stops moving, that's fixed or hard or rigid.
It's where the area of congestion or blocked energy or blocked information resides.
So you can go and you can do that.
And like right here, there's a reference.
So then that gives me a reference for change.
But what I've come to realize and what I would really emphasize is it's not the two-point.
There's no point to the two-point, as Richard Bammer might say.
What it is is the space in between these two points.
The space in between these two points encodes for infinity.
I would agree with that, absolutely.
All possibilities available between these two points.
But can you explain actually acquiring the points, you know, how you've gone through that process so that anyone listening to this could actually walk away and do it?
The two point, ultimately, it's about connection.
To me, in my languaging and in the way that I like to teach it, no matter what platform I'm teaching on, is that everything is potential and expression.
And our experience of reality, the way that we've put together ourselves and our sense of self, that's expression.
And the two-point is a way of moving consciousness from expression to potential.
Now, you could consider expressions to be discrete points or references in consciousness.
You call this a shoulder.
That's a discrete reference point.
This is an elbow, a discrete reference point.
In the two-point, what we're doing is we're essentially, we could use physics, we could say we're uncollapsing the wave functioning.
Nobody's going to know what I'm talking about here.
What we're doing is we're moving our consciousness from two discrete, seemingly separate points of reference into a space of connection where all possibilities become available.
Now, in physics terms, we could talk about that as waves of potentiality before they're expressed as physicality and particle-based reality.
Ultimately, what the two-point enables anyone to do without any background of physiology, no understanding of medicine, no understanding of even any form of physics, is to signal the field of matrix energetics to begin to reconfigure the expression of consciousness. is to signal the field of matrix energetics to begin So really, it's not about the two-point, and the points don't matter.
In fact, you can pick any point that gets your attention.
I'll pick this point.
I don't need to know it's stuck, hard, or rigid.
I don't need to palpate.
I don't even need to know what palpation means.
And then I can pick a second point here, and I allow for those two points to dissolve together as though they are one.
It's like the shortest distance between two points, some say, as a line.
For me, it's a smile, right?
Well, when you allow for those two points to be connected through the smile...
That's putting you into the space between the spaces of expression, of distinction, of physicality, into the wave-based interference patterns that are where the hologram expresses through into three-dimensional physicality.
Okay.
And just let me clarify something, just because I know my audience quite well, and we are very aware of time travel.
We're very aware of things like, you know, hyperdimensional physics and zero-point energy, etc., etc.
So don't be shy about referring to those things.
In this context and sort of veering into the science side of things.
But that's what you gave us was very good.
And if there's anything else you want to augment in terms of taking the next step, because in other words, what you use the 2.4, why you started with that, and where you expand to use that.
And then eventually I'm going to ask you to talk about the time travel aspect.
Well, one of the things about the two-point that I think is most important, and it's maybe the most important thing, it allows you to calibrate change before and after an event.
And so what this does, it's not so much what the change is, like if people collapse and they go unconscious or they go silly or they're healed or whatever.
What's important is being able for the conscious mind to make a distinction that something is different from point A to point B. Now, what happens in between here...
The linear brain, the conscious mind, can't track.
And this is where the real magic is.
It's where you're not tracking the patterns of information.
If you're trying to heal something and you go at it like, say, you're doing Reiki or you're doing Kung Fu or something, you've got this focused intent and you're going to Like a laser, make this precision activity where you're going to create an interference or an interception with this point.
And it's like, I don't want this, I do want that.
That's two points in a sense.
But you understand you're still describing contrasting a pair, which is duality, which is based in linearity, which is left brain.
And the thing is, is where the two-point actually functions is beyond the two points.
It functions in a place where linearity breaks down.
The uncollapse of the wave function, the scalar wave if you want to call it that, where it cannot actually be calibrated by the conscious mind.
The right brain, which can allegedly make a million distinctions per second, according to some grad student that measured them, had to be Data or Superman or The Flash.
That is a nonlinear processor.
It processes a parallel processor, so it can process a million bits of information a second.
Well, if you can process a million bits of information a second, you actually can access the concept of many worlds theory or parallel universes.
And say, if I've got a withered hand, and I've always wondered about this, say, how would Jesus do this?
If I had a withered hand, and there's a reality where my hand is not withered, in fact, that hand has never had palsy, could I find a reality in consciousness where that change instantly occurs?
That's kind of the what-if behind Matrix Energetics.
It's what would Jesus do if Jesus were a physicist, which I believe he was.
In a sense, what the two-point enables us to do is to move out of the electromagnetic spectrum into The level where torsion fields or scalar wave transmission occurs.
And so the two point in its simplicity gives us direct access to the zero point field from which everything expresses.
And so if you're having an experience in this reality, in this present moment in time called a diagnosis, well the two point allows you to very easily and seamlessly Navigate or move in consciousness from this experience, this expression, into something that's very different.
Whether you're using the 2.2 time travel, access a parallel universe, all those are different points of reference in the eternal now that is available when you're playing at the level of the universal hologram or the zero-point field.
Okay, so do you want to give an example of when you used the two-point method and something occurred?
And that means both of you individually, okay?
So one and then the other to answer that question.
Well, I'm just going to pick something at random because there's so many references that pull up.
The one that occurs to me is this lady who was in a store and she was shopping and it was a hardware store.
And she hit her head, she raised up and hit her head on the two by fours that were hung over the ceiling there.
And her neck went into total torticollis, which is a very bad spasm.
And she was in my office like this, and she did not have an appointment, could not get in for six weeks, because that was after that first book came out.
And I looked at her, and I said, well, I can't see you.
And she goes, but it hurts so much.
And I said, well, when did she do it?
She said about two hours ago.
I said, well, it was like two and a half hours ago, and instantly it was gone.
So, and I didn't even touch her.
You know, I mean, again, it's not about touching.
The two-point is a conceptual contrast and compare so you can make distinctions in consciousness and having made those distinctions, they become part of the morphic resonance of the awareness in your biofield.
And then that can act instantly once you've made those distinctions.
Okay, but...
Just because it got a little unclear right there.
Are you saying you saw her in person?
Yes, I physically saw her.
She was sitting in my office, unable to move.
And did you touch her at all?
I did not.
I was standing across the room.
Okay.
But what did you do with your mind?
So again, this is a difficult thing, Kerry, to pin down because the mind is multidimensional, as you understand.
And most people will mistake the brain for the mind.
And so what you say you're doing with your mind, most people mean what they did with their brain or their thoughts.
Your hyper-dimensional awareness, where you have access to these types of things and miracles, it extends beyond the realm of your thoughts.
It's the space in between your thoughts.
So what I did as I got out of the way, I didn't imagine or visualize it being different.
I didn't send a wave of energy to it to make it different.
I got to a place where I knew it was different.
Okay.
And that's a heart connection.
Okay, that's absolutely good.
So thank you for that.
And Melissa, can you describe your experience?
Yeah, the hard part is picking which experience, so I'll just...
I know.
It's fresh in my mind because it just happened yesterday, and it happened on Skype with a client in Germany who came to me for a session because she had very, very bad depression, and she basically said she had depression as long as she could remember.
She was having difficulty at work and in her marriage, and she wanted help.
So we were playing together, and the two-point can be done at a distance.
You absolutely don't need the physical body in order to establish a connection with a nodal point in consciousness.
So we were playing, and my attention went to her shoulder.
And I can't even tell you if it was the left or the right shoulder because it's superimposed when you're on Skype.
But my attention went to the shoulder on my left.
And so I allowed my awareness to go into the shoulder and then...
I used an expanded form of the two-point, which is time travel, which gives you access to nodal points that were encoded in the body hologram in the past.
Every experience we've ever had is still available in our personal biofield, in our experience of consciousness.
And I very quickly, because it happened in about five seconds, traversed back and hit a big nodal point, which I could feel in my own body.
This is part of what we teach our students, how to intuitively sense, attract, and follow patterns.
I hit the age of 15.
And she had a very big emotional experience that took place for about 10 minutes.
And after the experience...
She shared something deeply personal that had happened to her when she was 15, and she felt very different about it just by virtue of my connecting to her, leveraging the physics that's encoded in time travel.
But all you really have to do is be able to count backwards.
And within the course of one session, her multi-year depression had lifted.
Now, will that new experience persist?
Is her depression gone forever?
We don't know yet.
As we share with all our clients and all our students, notice what's different, not what's the same.
Pay attention to anything and everything that occurs for you in your experience of reality.
Is it likely that her depression will be gone I would say very likely, because when you release a nodal point of information that's encoded in the body hologram, in the biofield of the body, that information releases, it essentially goes back to the zero-point field, and it reconfigures itself as consciousness potential.
It's no longer encoded in the exact same way as it was being referenced over and over again over the continuum of linear time.
Things change...
Instantly, when we get out of the morphic field of linear time and thinking that everything is cause and effect because everything is spherically organized in our field and we have access to every experience past, present, and future simultaneously when we understand the physics and we embody it from the field of the heart which has access to everything including direct access to the zero-point field.
Okay, and again, very well said.
Actually, both of you, and I think that that will give my audience quite a good overview of kind of the most basic, what I feel are your kind of building blocks of what you do, in a sense.
Now, I am going to see where the time is at, because I'm kind of mesmerized by talking to you two, and I don't want to go over too long to where you have, I know you've got, you know, a schedule here.
This may come tomorrow if you'd like.
We're fine.
This is our favorite conversation, and so for us, we'd love We love sharing and we love the questions that you're asking, so we just want to honor you and honor our viewers.
Okay, very good.
It looks like we've been going for about an hour, so I'm going to take another half hour and...
Ask you a few more questions that will probably zoom by and then I will ask everyone in the chat to ask their questions.
And again, please do put your questions in all caps so I can differentiate from the questions from the chat, the idle chat.
Okay, so at this moment, in terms of Growing this process and this sort of, I don't know what you want to call it, teaching, experience that you're putting out, knowledge that you've tapped into, this field of information.
Can you talk a little bit about the sort of...
Were there any stumbling blocks along the way in developing this overview and what you bring to the audience at this day, what we could say, I know your bio said 2008 and then you just said you worked on it since 2003.
Sounds like you have experience back in the 1990s as well.
In other words, Can you talk a little bit about the development of this sort of body of thought that you're putting out there?
And like I was saying, were there stumbling blocks along the way?
And how did you deal with them?
Maybe there's some anecdotal explanation of that.
And why don't we start with Richard and then we'll go to Melissa.
I wouldn't say there were stumbling blocks, but there are points of frustration.
And I like something Tony Robbins said a long time ago.
He said, turn frustration into fascination.
So I will tell you that whenever there is a block or a stopping place or a, quote, problem state, The famous statement of Einstein, you can't solve a problem by trying to attempt to work at it at the same level that the problem is configured.
You have to go above that level in order to access a different approach.
In order to see something differently or to change it, you have to be different.
And so there were points along the way where there were learning strategies They weren't stumbles, but they were key little points.
I went, aha, something there.
And they sometimes came every day, and sometimes they were years apart.
I started out with Matrix Energenics having no idea what it was, and I could just do it, and I was the only one that could do it.
And then Mark Dunn, my friend, who's in several of the books, came in and started studying with me, and he couldn't do it.
And he wanted to be able to do it, and he's very intelligent.
He had a scientific mind.
And so I thought, how do I explain this to someone else?
And so I started studying quantum physics, and that was one of the first things, one of the first points of awareness.
And then I realized that quantum physics at least had a model That was similar to Jesus' model.
No man can serve two masters if you love the one or hate the other.
Well, if physics says that there's a quantum reality and that that's made of these little things called photons, and these photons, by the way, they're very strange because they can exist everywhere and nowhere simultaneously.
They're spread out over the whole universe according to the math, zero and infinity, which are both forbidden in math.
And it's not until the hypothetical collapse of the wave function that you can actually observe this at the quantum level.
Now, physics, interestingly, the quantum physics has never been statistically disproven.
But you can lie with statistics.
You can say anything you want with statistics.
I think it's consciousness.
When consciousness forms a series of assumptions, and then you test those assumptions, you create a morphic field.
That morphic field is then strengthened by more people formulating those assumptions, and they become incorporated, and they become like a mechanism in consciousness that then takes on awareness of its own, and then that awareness begins to teach you.
So I would say that at certain points, the key points were first the quantum physics, trying to teach Mark, couldn't teach Mark.
We went through some really interesting times, took 10 years with Mark.
And then the next person I tried to teach, I taught in four hours.
And then the next person I taught, I taught in four minutes.
And you can teach a child this in four seconds, you know, because the children, it's what Jesus said, unless you become like a little child, you will always enter into the kingdom of heaven which is within.
It's that childlike play.
It's that right brain, that creative part that's linked to the joy of the heart that is the transformative vehicle that allows for the physics to It's like the physics is for the left brain.
It makes sense.
It's cool, you know, you can talk about it all day long, and it's fascinating to speculate.
But it still will not get you from what's called the dead word to the living word in a sense.
It won't get you to transform consciousness.
You have to actually be different in order to experience different.
Okay, excellent.
Melissa?
Well, I think there's a lot of different ways that I can answer that, but what occurs to me right now is that some of my biggest challenges, at least initially, was to bridge the world or the realm where I had come from with this A whole expansive world that I had fully immersed myself into and had then begun teaching.
And what that challenge enabled me to do was to develop an ability to articulate consciousness potential and all of the physics principles and whatever it is that's going on here in Matrix Energetics in a number of different ways.
And what I've learned to do over the years is Welcome to my show!
My role really has evolved through the challenge of trying to describe this crazy experience known as Matrix Energetics, which is so near and dear to my heart and is something that I've truly embodied and committed my entire life to teaching as well as on other platforms.
And what has been gifted through that challenge has been the ability to Explain this either very simply or very eloquently with using high science to describe something that we can't really see, we can't really feel, because we're talking about the zero-point field and we're talking about information.
That's not tangible.
But I'm able to bridge the intangible to something that is real to us by our definition of reality in three-dimensional and four-dimensional time.
Okay, but the question was actually, have you reached any, you know, I called it stumbling blocks, but call it challenges, if you will.
But if you had a challenge, what was it?
In other words, I understand that, like Richard said, that he got to a certain point, he couldn't even teach this other guy, and then he realized he had to study physics, or at least that was what he decided he had to do, in order to then explain physics.
You know, and be able to communicate what it is he didn't did in sort of naturally or however you want intuitively.
so in your case when you got into this field did you also have like a stumbling block or a challenge where you you know you you came up against something you were going along and perhaps everything was wonderful and everything was smoothly operating if that was going on then at some point you reached a place where it was like did you have to push through or jump over or you know what i'm saying yeah i and i and i thought that i had
I guess I didn't directly answer your question, but the honest answer is it has been nonstop challenges from the very, very beginning.
When you fully commit yourself to...
A life purpose or a particular path.
You immerse your soul and your true authentic self into that experience and you show up for it 100% of the time.
The universe will challenge you.
The universe will put forth something that I call as placeholders that will seem like obstacles or they will seem like something that you have to forge through.
When in fact they are just a different level of consciousness where you have to transcend the way that you are perceiving your experience so that you can flow right through the experience.
Now specifically what are those experiences or what are those obstacles that I've encountered?
There's thousands because they're incessant.
Literally, when you agree to consciously show up for your life and be responsible and be authentic and be integrous, then the universe will challenge you by virtue of wanting you to symmetrically reflect that commitment in all your then the universe will challenge you by virtue of wanting you
So whether we're talking about the challenge of running the global business of Matrix Energetics, which I did until 2012, and trying to branch into new countries, trying to describe this to people that have no frame of reference for it, trying to describe this to people that have no frame of reference for it, that was a challenge, that was an opportunity, that ended up becoming a success beacon world.
Maintaining a heart-centered awareness in a three-dimensional reality where business is based on black and white numbers is not always easy.
And so I've often been challenged with maintaining heart-centered awareness and doing what is integrous when...
The information in front of you might dictate doing something differently, doing it the way traditional business says you need to do it.
Personally, the challenges have been ongoing in terms of letting go of people who are no longer resonating or vibrating where we've moved into a different level of expansion.
That's painful because we love people and yet we can't necessarily relate to them in the same way.
But in the letting go, in many instances, these people have evolved and come back around in our lives in a different way because we freed up the entanglement of the configuration at the previous vibration.
So I don't know if I'm being specific enough for you, but...
Well, that's getting there, absolutely.
And I think that that can give people a bit of an idea.
Excuse me, one thing I just wanted to say about that is what she's describing.
It's ongoing.
That's why I said frustration and fascination.
Because every time you hit one of those blocks, it's something to pay attention to that is a gift that allows you to unlock another piece of the puzzle of self.
And if you have that service consciousness above all else, love for self as other, love thy neighbor as thyself, whatever, it is going to challenge you on a daily basis, on a moment-to-moment basis.
Because what happens is you're challenged by the limitations of your own mental box.
That is your biggest stumbling block.
That is my biggest stumbling block.
Every single day, every moment of every day, I want to be more.
And rubbing up against that is where the challenge is.
And it's continual, but it's also exhilarating.
Okay, fair enough.
You know, some people think, oh, matrix energetics, does that mean I'm going to have a life of bliss?
And the answer is absolutely not.
What it does offer is the opportunity to get in touch with your own joy, which is available no matter what is happening in your personal life, at the collective level, at work.
And being able to tap into that can change up the way that you relate to the circumstances around you, and subsequently those circumstances change as well.
Okay, now what I'd like to do is ask each of you to give an example of a relationship type of work that you did in relation to using this sort of technique, you know, whichever.
And if you use, for example, if you use time travel or if you use the two-pointer or if you use some other methods in dealing with the relationship, can you describe...
You know, in as personal terms as you wish, or, you know, in more general terms if you wish, a relationship, you know, because this sort of technique, you know, that's what I'm calling it, a technique, or a series of techniques, can be applied to relationships.
And so if you were to give an example of that.
There are so many.
The greatest example with individuals in relation to themselves when they attend the seminar.
I've had grown men Just tears streaming down their face as their heart opened and they felt an expansion of joy that they'd never known.
These things, though, happen not because of a technique or because of us.
It's almost really in spite of us.
These things happen because the field itself is a living, breathing thing that has great care for every part of life.
And so there are so many instances.
I'm thinking of...
Well, I could talk about relationships all day long.
A person's relationship with their wife, relationship with their job, relationship with their children.
These things can change instantly.
I have one gentleman that was listening to me talk.
This was a number of years ago.
He was listening to me talk to a group of people on like a two-hour presentation.
And I did not know it, but he was getting...
Angrier and angrier at me because it was pushing all of his buttons.
Everything I was saying, he just had this rage boiling up inside of him.
And he said he was about to leave his chair and come punch me in the face.
And I heard the direction from my teachers, you must go out and touch me.
The people in the audience.
So I stepped off, in that moment, I stepped off the platform, reached over and touched this person right on the top of their head and they went unconscious.
That happens a lot.
Or they went super conscious, if you want to call it that.
Anyway, they sent me an email later and told me they were about to punch me in the face.
And they said that their entire life had transformed from that moment.
They said this anger they'd had over the way they'd been treated and how their father had been physically abusive to them, their whole life they'd had this rage inside them that just spiraled out of the top of their head.
They felt it leave.
And their whole life had changed.
They were more loving and approachable to their children.
He loved his wife so much more.
He was in love with his job.
He said everything in his life had shifted from that moment.
And he said it was a true living, breathing miracle.
And I'm just grateful when things like that happen because it's not me.
Okay.
I want to come back to that, the thing where people, you know, like go unconscious or I don't know what you call that, but I'm going to come back to that in a minute.
So don't let me forget.
But Melissa, can you talk again about this relationship sort of thing and where you might have exercised, you know, working with someone or in your own personal life in relationships?
Yeah.
One of the things that I teach in the MJoy Integrative Seminar and the MJoy Women's Seminar is that everything is you in relation to everything.
So everything is relationship.
I mean, that ultimately is the expression of consciousness.
But our biggest challenge here as beings experiencing limitation is being in the parameters of relationship because that right there is like a fragmented part of consciousness that And there's ongoing interactions based on perceptual biases.
So relationships are a focus of pretty much every interaction that I have with clients.
The one story that comes to mind as I get to the point right now to tell a story is We were teaching a seminar in Tokyo, and we were at the part of the seminar, which is where we teach many worlds, theory, and parallel universes after we teach time travel.
And a woman came up to me, and she spoke only Japanese, so we used the translator, and she was visibly upset.
She was kind of on the verge of tears, and she was very upset because she was on her second marriage.
And she was having what I term buyer's remorse.
She basically was regretting divorcing her first husband and was feeling as though she'd made a big mistake.
And she wanted me to use time travel or parallel universes to get her back to that first marriage.
And this was during a 10-minute coffee break.
And so I dropped down into the field of my heart and I connected up with her where there was no separation between myself or her.
There was only this field of consciousness potential.
And I connected up into what we call a parallel universe.
I found where there was resonance in a different configuration where her experience right now Did I know consciously what that experience would be or precisely how many universes over?
No, it doesn't matter so much as that you calibrate for something feeling or sensing to be different.
And she hit the carpet, which we'll talk about in a moment, and proceeded to spend time engaging with the carpet for about 40 minutes, and she came back to the next segment of the seminar.
And I wasn't able to talk to her about what was different, primarily because I couldn't get my translator and her together at the same time for the remainder of the seminar.
So I went back to America wondering, you know, how is this woman's life going to change?
Well, about nine months later, we went back to Tokyo to teach again, and this woman apparently was at the seminar, and she came up to me, and I say apparently because I didn't even recognize her.
Her whole energetic signature, she just had expanded, and she was glowing, and she just felt so different.
And the translator was next to me and began to translate the woman's conversation.
And she wanted to thank me so much for that interaction, which really wasn't about me.
I simply got out of the way and allowed for the field to interact with her.
And I simply was a conduit for making the distinction.
She said that almost immediately following the interaction, her nightly dreams that she was having about her ex-husband had stopped.
And she felt much better about the relationship She actually realized that she had made the right choice and that she was content and happy with her second husband and the family that they had started.
And what did I do and what perhaps happened so that she could understand it intellectually?
And I told her, you know, we never really know exactly what happened.
It may be that you're now connected or in resonance with the experience of still being married to your ex-husband in a parallel universe, so that perceived loss is no longer imminent in your awareness in this universe.
Or perhaps we just moved into a parallel universe where your experience of this relationship could be different.
Either way, it doesn't really matter.
What matters is what was different as a result, how her experience had shifted so much so that she didn't need to change up her life.
She simply changed up her configuration by making herself available to the field and everything rippled out quite perfectly and accordingly.
Okay, okay, great story.
All right, so now...
I'm just checking what we've got here in terms of time.
Okay, so now if you can, I guess one at a time, talk about how you experience and how you see that sort of thing that seems to happen on your seminars,
maybe outside your seminars as well, I don't know, but where someone will kind of I don't know if they lose consciousness or they just lose contact with their body on some level.
Richard, will you explain the way you see it?
You know, anything I tell you about that would just be my supposition of what's going on.
But I think it's kind of like, I've got a Mac, and if you have a PC, same thing.
When you're trying to do too much, and you put in information more than the operating system can handle, you get the rainbow ball of death.
I think people go out of their bodies, out of their body-mind awareness, in order to recalibrate information.
and reconfigure consciousness so that they can then take those experiences and embody them as a new level of understanding in their awareness at all levels.
So I think it's literally that you put too much information, like if you took a, like say a burst transmission that contained a million bits of information in a second, It could overwhelm the conscious mind.
And then in that, by the way, in that interval when the conscious mind is overwhelmed, that's where change can occur because all of your limitations are dissolved temporarily, literally in the blink of an eye.
And in that blink of an eye, anything then is possible.
Okay.
So, in other words, you don't think that a clone is coming in.
Just kidding.
Maybe the clone is leaving.
Maybe the clone is leaving.
Same difference.
Okay.
Well, then, Melissa, go ahead.
Well, to address the first part of your comment, you know, are people going unconscious or are they accessing super consciousness?
If you were to interview...
Probably anybody who's ever had an experience when we've interacted with them, or if you were to even ask us about our experiences when we go to that state, we're fully aware of what is happening in our immediate surroundings, but we are in an expanded state where we're also aware of what's happening beyond the parameters of the physical room.
So I would say people are super conscious.
They're not unconscious.
And what's happening, you know, any description that we give is merely that.
I like the metaphor of rebooting a computer because many people have that frame of reference.
But gravity is something that we're in a relationship with.
We are in relation to gravity.
We have acclimated our awareness to experience gravity in a certain way.
It's a field effect.
And when you come into the field of Matrix energetics as in a consciousness expanding platform, what ends up happening is the way that you've calibrated the morphic field of gravity changes.
And in that change, your relationship to gravity, maintaining yourself, essentially standing up erect, shifts.
And in that shift, there's a falling into, essentially, the floor.
Is that a fancy theory for describing what happens when we don't really know what happens?
Maybe.
But it makes sense to me from a scientific standpoint.
I mean, if you look at little babies, they have to develop a relationship with gravity in order to be able to navigate gravity.
And they're doing so based on calibrating information.
When you take in a different level or a different calibration or a different resonance of information, then that shifts the way that you've programmed your experience.
And in the moment, as you're recalibrating, you need to reboot, and you reboot, and your boots hit the floor.
Okay.
Yeah, thank you for both those explanations.
Both of them seem equally adequate to explain to some degree what we sort of see and also what you experience when you go through that.
However...
It's also possible, it seems to me, that at a certain point, someone...
Now, I'm assuming this never happened, but it occurs to me that a person could, in falling to the floor, that they could actually fall through the floor and they could actually disappear and then reappear.
It's not out of the question, given the explanation you just gave me, that that could happen.
The question is, has it ever happened?
Not in so many words, but people have had experiences that they could tell you would feel like that in their consciousness, definitely.
And the other part of the answer might be, it probably has happened, but did we notice?
Did the collective awareness that is habituated to noticing and experiencing physicality and matter, were we able to notice that spontaneous disappearance and reappearance?
Or It wasn't a blip in our hologram, and we didn't notice because of the way we encode information.
So I think it probably happens more than we realize, but we don't notice because we're entrained to think it's not possible.
Well, there's pictures of Melissa and I that people have taken where everything in the room is in perfect frame, and everything makes sense except for our hands look like they're blurring through somebody or there's multiple dimensions to them.
And everything else is standing perfectly still.
It's not a camera trick.
Or our hand is completely through someone, literally, but we didn't notice that that was happening when we were interacting with someone, only the camera, a normal camera caught it.
So, I love that question.
Well, actually, there is this notion, you probably have heard of it, that we actually blink in and out of this reality.
We just do it so quickly that we don't notice it.
It's the same kind of principle that you're talking about, and I think that that's...
That's actually very good.
It substantiates my theory that this is very possibly happening.
It explains known phenomena such as bilocation because you can be in two places simultaneously once you develop your skill sets to move beyond thinking that you can't.
And that's really, I think, what Matrix Energetics points to.
It's not so much what we teach, what moves through us, what comes out of our mouth.
It's really what this points to for individuals and the collective consciousness that truly we do...
Live in a limitless universe with limitless potential and limitless expression.
And when we can move beyond our perceptual biases and how we've constructed reality, then we can create a reality based on anything that we ultimately truly want.
And I wanted to mention, Kerry, it's not so much the going unconscious or people will spin in circles or they'll speak in tongues.
All sorts of things happen.
You can't even imagine.
But, I mean, the thing is, that's not what's important to me.
What's important is, I think that what's happening is we're going, here we're linear, here we're having an experience that we can consciously realize, and here we are.
But here we're not.
What happens in matrix energetics over time with people that are playing with it, working with it, they become more awake, more aware of multidimensional awareness all the time.
It's like we're in these altered states.
We might as well be unconscious on the floor all the time when we're teaching, but we've learned to sustain that level of consciousness as an awake experience and teach and function while still being in a very altered state.
Absolutely.
I agree.
And I mean, in my view, you know, yogis in the East have actually been doing this for many, many centuries.
And in a sense, you're, I don't know what you want to call it, packaging it.
for uh for this day and age perhaps you might look at it that way um but i i think you know expanded awareness multi uh consciousness of your multi-dimensional nature is is something that through the ages we've been aware of uh but only you know in sporadic individuals has this you know really this been you know always in touch with it um
But I think it's because of that, you see, it's not that you invented it, it's that it existed, but you were able to bring it forward and configure it in such a way that it can be communicated.
That's what's important.
Well, the thing that's interesting to me, for one thing, this is on the internet, and it's no big deal.
It's not about me.
But my brain has been tested in EEG simulations and found that I run gamma somewhere between 60 to 100 hertz to above that as a normal business state.
That's what I do.
And I think people entrain that, and it's in the morphic field of matrix energetics.
Gamma, the black hat monks, the healing monks of the Dalai Lama run gamma.
Gamma is a very altered state of consciousness that allows, I think, for a synchrony, in fact, I know it does, a synchrony between the hemispheres, so they start to handshake across the gap, and there's less of a gap in awareness, so therefore, again, consciousness is becoming more fully multidimensional and awake and aware of itself.
And another point I want to make, This doesn't take breathing funny, it doesn't take building chi, it doesn't take running energy, it doesn't take meditation, it doesn't take anything.
In fact, the less you expect of it, the more likely it is going to astonish you.
Because it is...
It comes to you as a gift that is freely given to all, and all can actually access it.
It's quite astonishing.
And that's really a key point.
And going back to your earlier question and what's been one of your challenges, and one thing that's near and dear to my heart is to be able to map and model for all of our students that this is not about a one-person phenomenon.
This is not about a guru that you put on a pedestal and you're constantly noticing the gap between where you are and where someone else appears to be.
This is something that is available for everyone.
It is a way of getting in touch with Our own inherent power that is accessible for everyone, no matter their walk of life.
I mean, yes, we all have different levels of education and different experiences, but how Matrix Energetics will move through us as an individual will be perfect for that individual, and we have the same access to the same information and the same potentialities because that is the way that the field itself is constructed.
And so if there's something that I would love for our listeners and our viewers to take away is that this is not about Richard Bartlett or Richard Bartlett and Melissa Joy.
This is about you.
And this is about our own inherent ability to be consciousness in action and to be that limitless potential expressing in action.
Everyday life, practically, and that we have access to the same information that the black hat monks have access to because it's a unified field and all you have to do is to know how to tap into it, connect to it, and then let it express.
If I may, there's a small antidote that I'm being told to tell you.
We had a physicist that came to my office with his wife.
His wife was being treated.
Apparently the guy was famous.
He never even told me his name.
But he just watched.
He never went to a seminar.
He never read the books.
But then he was running an experiment that they'd been running for six months, his partner and him.
And they were using a machine that is very expensive.
That calibrates down to the nanometer.
And they actually, he bumped it with his leg and it didn't measure the bump.
And so it was broken.
So they were gonna have to send it back to Germany.
It was gonna cost probably $10,000 and delay their research for six months.
And the guy was, they were like, he had the head in their hands, oh no.
And then the physicist that I'm talking about, he said, well, you know, I saw this doctor doing something that makes sense to me.
Give me a moment.
He said, turn it off.
And he dropped into the space that he thought I was mapping, understanding it scientifically, and he felt something.
He just felt something change.
He knew.
And he said, try it now.
Turn it on.
It worked perfectly.
So, this works on inanimate so-called objects, because, of course, everything is alive.
But my point is, this physicist, he was very trained, skeptical, didn't have any reason to accept, had never had a mystical experience, was not there to be treated, and had not felt the energy himself, but understood it in his heart, and in the moment when he needed it, it was there.
Absolutely.
Yeah, lovely story.
And it does remind me of, I think, another of your stories in which you talk about, maybe this was earlier in your career where you had a machine that you thought you were using and you thought it was plugged in and you were using it and using it and using it and then you found out it wasn't plugged in.
Actually, that's not my story.
But it's a very good story, and thank you for bringing it up, because it's the exact point we're making.
It was back in the time of Albert Abrams, the developer of radionics, and he made a bunch of distinctions nobody else did.
Right, yeah.
But here's the thing.
He had a doctor who had one of these big machines that had all these knobs on it.
It had homeopathic remedies hooked up to it.
It's very impressive.
And he was healing cancer right and left with this machine.
And he wrote Albert Abrams and said, Oh my God, my life is so different since I've had this machine.
I want to thank you so much.
And one day he looked down and noticed he'd never plugged it in.
I just love that.
I think that's just, in a nutshell, kind of really addresses what we're really dealing with here when we talk about so-called reality is so much more expanded than we give it credit for.
And it plays with us.
It's playful.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But those anecdotes are, I mean, you really can't get around that.
I mean, what is going on there?
It, you know, it's like a Zen cone or whatever they say.
Yeah.
Okay, so I am now at the place where we're going to ask some questions.
The audience is going to do so, and so I'm going to skim through here and see what I can find.
Somebody's saying, how can we develop this ability?
Is there a technique?
There's a saying by Lao Tzu that said, the goal of the Tao is to do nothing and leave nothing undone.
That's what Matrix Energetics teaches you to do, but it's from the state of realizing that you're not the doer, you're the door.
So the technique is a door into the experience of the awareness, and the awareness itself is the thing.
There's so many ways that we can answer that.
The fact that you're asking the question is a sign of curiosity.
And curiosity is the opening into the velocity of expanding your consciousness.
So by virtue of asking open-ended questions, you can begin to cultivate a sense of what we're describing here without ever coming to a Matrix Energetics seminar or even picking up a book, although picking up a book is a really good way to get in touch with the various techniques that we teach in Matrix Energetics.
If I knew how to connect to a two-point now, what might that experience demonstrate for me?
How might that show up for me?
If I knew what Richard and Melissa were even talking about, how might that play out in my experience in the very next moment?
These open-ended questions will take you on a search Thank you.
you open into an open-ended question and that will put you into resonance with the right brain, the parallel processor, and that connects you up directly to the zero-point field where all those wave-based interference patterns become available.
But the short answer is come to a seminar, read a book, listen to one of our audio books.
There's so many ways that you can learn Matrix Energetics without ever leaving your home.
The beauty of coming to a seminar is that it's a full immersion, live experiential seminar that's not like any seminar you've ever attended.
It's crazy and playful and so intellectually enriching and so heartwarming that your whole experience of your life will be forever transformed and you won't be able to put it back in precisely the same way.
It will be different for the better.
I'd like to tell a brief anecdote that makes this point for you, for the person asking the question.
I had a gentleman that came all the way from Belgium and he came up and he hugged me and said, I'm sorry for doubting you, brother.
He gave me this big hug.
He was a French osteopath who was in Belgium and he was on the internet and he was searching Amazon For books on craniosacral therapy, because that was his interest.
So he saw this book and that book and that book.
Then he saw my book, the first one, Matrix Energetics.
And he said, oh, what would a chiropractor know about this?
So he said, I would never buy that.
And he moved on.
Well, the funny thing happened.
He had about 12 books in his cart.
When his Amazon order came, none of those books came.
Matrix Energetics came.
Yeah.
And so he looked at him and went, what the freak is going on here?
So he made a mistake.
He made a critical error.
Don't make this error.
He put the book on his shelf in his office.
And then it just sat there.
And then a few weeks later, one of his patients didn't show up for their appointment, so he opened the book.
Mistake number two.
He read about a paragraph and said, oh, this is crap.
I knew it.
I knew this was terrible.
Put it back on the shelf.
Well, it was too late now.
He'd opened the door.
The next day, his new patient came in, and he started talking to them, and they started spinning in a circle.
This is what we call frequency 18 and matrix energetics.
They were going into spontaneous yoga postures, what you call kundalini activation, etc.
Then the next day, it happened.
And the next day, And finally, every new patient that came into his office was going to these yoga postures and going to frequency on the floor.
He'd never taken a seminar and never read the book.
And he said, I had to come to the seminar.
And he came and he was just so grateful and glad to be there.
But he said...
I open the door.
That's all you have to do.
Open the door.
And what Melissa was saying, those open-ended questions, are questions the left brain can't answer.
Right brain and the heart are integrated.
And when you do that, ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be opened.
It's very simple to open that door.
Okay, very well said.
I just want to say my anecdote, because I haven't done it yet, and it seems like a good opportunity.
I'm learning how to golf.
My boyfriend likes to golf, so I'm learning.
I'm obviously not that great at it, and so on and so forth.
I decided to two-point the golf game.
And so I did.
And I actually did a time travel.
I literally transcended time and space.
I stepped back out of my body.
I saw myself do this shot that I couldn't do.
And...
That it went in and everything.
And I got like, you know, one of those par things.
And it was an amazing, I completely, like, I can't even tell you to this day how I did it because it just happened like magic.
It was totally magical.
And it was also like an altered, I mean, a totally altered body experience.
So just wanted to tell you that.
And of course, you know, I looked like the brilliant golf player, right?
Yeah.
Her mother did something very similar.
Yeah, I was just thinking about the story, talking about relationships.
Well, I never expected my mother would come to a seminar.
Well, she was knocking people unconscious through the entire weekend.
So I received an email from her about a month after the seminar, and she just wanted to let me know if things were going well.
She was out on the golf course.
That's what she does in the day.
And she dropped down in the field of her heart.
She held the club and then all of a sudden she moved into three parallel universes over and she closed her eyes and she swung.
She got a hole in one.
So I think you tapped into the morphic field of golfing better using the technology of consciousness that is Matrix Energetics.
I love stories like what you shared because when you play that way, when it kind of doesn't seem like it matters, even though it does matter when you're trying to impress your boyfriend that you can play golf, they Can you develop references for things being different and more probable and possible?
And then when you really need the skill sets when someone's dying, when someone has an incurable disease, you've expanded your consciousness enough and formed enough references that they become spontaneously available to you and you can be more of service in ways that do seemingly matter.
So play, play, play with Matrix 100.
Great story.
That is the best way to do it, Carrie.
What you did, it just opens up a universe, which you felt.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's there.
Sure.
That's fantastic.
I love this story.
Now do it again.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, I mean, I can say that I have done this in the past, but, you know, not obviously using your technique and had other things.
You know, I've had miraculous things happen in my life.
I kind of have one of those kind of lives, but...
But on the other hand, you know, that was actually intentional.
You know, I set out to try this, applying this thing to this This live experience, you see?
And so I think the thing about it, which is great, that if people listening are interested, is trying it out on all kinds of things.
You know, like the last thing you might think of is your golf game.
You know, that's kind of the way I thought.
You know, I was like, what the hell?
You know, they didn't talk about doing this, but let me see.
You know, so it's kind of like that.
And I think, yeah, I think it's great fun.
Okay, let me see if we can...
I'm looking to see other questions here.
They're having conversations.
It says, as an old student, I'd like to know if the teachings in seminars have changed much since 2008.
Oh my goodness, yes.
I don't hardly even recognize myself, Melissa, or what we're teaching from the seminar in 2008, because consciousness is ever-expanding, and the morphic field of matrix energetics is like a little child.
It loves to play, and it grows exponentially all the time.
Yes, every time a new person comes in and makes a distinction, it adds the collective power and wonder of that field.
And our physics explanations of Melissa's book, Enjoy Practically Speaking, we've gotten much more to scale our physics into torsion-filled physics.
We have a friend, Dr.
Peter Gariev, who is working with imprinting information from DNA using a laser on a photograph, and we're friends with him, and he loves what we're doing.
Yes, it's changed a lot.
I would say I don't even recognize the seminars today versus in 2008.
I actually came in and started teaching mid-2008, and a lot of the emphasis has moved.
into approaching everything from the field of the heart.
And we've really synthesized the torsion field physics coupled with quantum physics as an aspect of heart-centered awareness.
And we have a very, very solid scientific framework for why heart-centered awareness is the way to consciously recreate your reality.
And the distinctions that are encoded in the field that have progressed over the last eight years are articulated in the seminars in such a way that people, because people are getting this so much faster.
In 2008, it would take a couple days to be able to teach the two-point.
Well, now everyone's kind of getting the two-point the minute they get there.
So what do we do for the next three days?
Well, we go deeper, and we expand further, and we're able to spend a lot more time Making references and distinctions and teaching templates and different ways of navigating through all terrains of consciousness.
So the seminar experience has evolved as there's been a consistent progression of the evolution of That which is universal consciousness, the field itself has evolved along with it.
The other thing that happened in 2008 is that we went internationally.
We began teaching this in foreign countries through foreign languages.
And we basically, we didn't know if this was going to translate.
And what we've really come to learn is, even though we have excellent translators, is that the heart is a universal translator.
And this field is a universal language for translating limitless potential into distinct expressions that we can map in three-dimensional reality.
So that global experience is now woven into what used to be just a domestic morphic field that had encoded within it frames of references called being American.
And so that global experience has given it a much richer, diverse tapestry and references and distinctions that really unite us as a synthesized Humanity, so to speak.
So it's a very different experience.
It's still very playful.
It's still ridiculous.
But it's much richer, I think.
I would describe it that way.
Okay.
Excellent.
Let's see.
What is electricity, someone wants to ask.
Ah!
Well, we'll have to access Dr.
He doesn't like to be called Dr.
Thomas Bearden.
He says electricity is a capacity to do work.
He says, well, that tells you what it does, but it doesn't tell you what it is.
He says that no one knows what electricity actually is.
Okay, fair enough.
Einstein, just one other thing along those lines, because electricity involves electrons, Einstein was asked what he thought towards the end of his professional career in physics, 40 years in physics, was asked what he thought about the new virtual particle physics, math.
And he kind of muttered to himself, it's nice, I suppose, but I'm still trying to figure out what the electron is.
Absolutely.
Excellent.
Well, I mean, we don't know what gravity is.
Exactly.
There's a lot of things that we don't actually know what they are for what it's worth.
Although we can try to explain it, I'm not sure they actually have done it sufficiently.
Let's see.
I think if they would accept scalar physics as part of the paradigm, then we would have a complete understanding not only of gravity, but of electricity, and we would actually realize that they're not as discreetly separate as we think they are.
So we're missing a huge part of the equation, and it's that missing part of the equation that we're tapping into in matrix energetics.
And there's various people doing work with free energy.
That part has been omitted because it's not convenient.
We would have to rewrite our entire scientific paradigm.
Not to mention it would break the hold the power our elite has over the planet, as you know, and everybody would have free energy, like Tesla wanted to give the whole world free energy.
Well, that wasn't going to fly.
So this is a...
Well, actually...
Okay, but actually, you know, this does get into that.
You know, on a certain level, what you're talking about, you're calling the field, which some people would call zero point, this is what they're accessing when they're accessing this energy that they can't, you know, with counter-rotating, you know, spheres and, you know, and so on.
In other words, have you been visited by any black project, what I call black project, meaning secret project scientists, trying to sort of investigate what you're doing and recognizing that it actually taps into what they're doing?
Well, okay.
Two stories.
I'll tell them briefly, because they're easy.
We were in Seattle, and I was talking about the scalar physics, and I was telling, I've been studying Bearden, I've been studying Ferrell, and so on and so forth, and assimilated, was giving my own unique take on it, and I said, and they may take me right off this stage, and if they carry me out of here, you know, at least you've heard it, and the whole place hit a blackout in that second.
And it's like, we don't know, nobody ever know what happened, but our entire block was blacked out.
Everybody else was working, and we were in complete darkness.
All the electricity shut off for like 16 hours.
They were trying to bring in a generator.
Melissa stayed up late at night with a I'm a black ops physicist.
And I said, ooh, what's that?
And he goes, if I told you, someone would have to kill you.
And he wasn't kidding.
Okay.
So he stayed for the whole seminar.
And at the end of the seminar, he came up, whispered in my ear, tapped me on the shoulder, you keep teaching what you're teaching.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, absolutely.
Excellent.
Well, there's no doubt about it, which is part of the reason you're on my show right now.
So, let's see.
Someone is asking, what do you know about the net around the Earth matrix?
The net around the Earth.
I mean, you know, the Earth has been said to be encased in a kind of the Matrix, and you saw the Matrix movie.
I think maybe they're referencing all of that.
Do you want to address that?
I think Melissa might have a better answer than I do.
I've studied that.
I'm very interested.
There's a grid around the Earth.
Bruce Cathy talks about it in certain terms.
He's got some interesting things to say about it.
Farrell has talked a lot about it.
All the sacred sites are aligned in a certain way and they're all linked together in a grid.
At one point I was given direction that I was to get that grid and get a picture of it in my mind's eye and hold that grid in my awareness when I was working with people.
It would amplify the effects of everything I was doing.
Same thing, I was once told, about the same time that we're talking about this, I was told to get on the internet and get the feed from the Healing Fountain of Lords actually in my office and tap into that grid.
So there's a series of grids that we're talking about.
There's certain nodes on the planet, I know, for instance, that it's thought, some people think, that the atomic bomb was more powerful because it was on a particular grid at a particular time which allowed it to access hyperdimensional energy.
And I think that may be where that question is coming from.
And so there are those portals or those nodal points where there is access to more energy being inputted into the system than is available, what you would normally expect.
So I know quite a bit about it, but as I get older, I forget what I know.
So I'll let Melissa answer.
That was a sufficient answer.
There's a lot of different ways I can answer that.
Well, I would just say that it is absolutely very possible to go out and see this grid out of body, and that's the best way to get answers about whether it's there or not and what impact it's having.
Is it actually protecting us?
Is it serving us or was it put there for another reason?
Without getting into duality and conspiracy theory and separation, we do have the ability to connect to those grids, to shift those grids, to work with beings that may be beyond those grids that are using those grids to communicate with us.
Ultimately, in the hologram, where you resonate, so you will experience.
So your approach to the grid will very much influence how you experience the grid, or any grid in consciousness, so to speak.
So there are most definitely, and we all know about, you know, There's no reason to believe that there wouldn't be the same thing beyond this particular planet and in the multiverse.
Okay.
Both good answers.
Okay.
A person is saying, and we're going to actually kind of bring this to a close pretty soon here because we are, I think, going for about two hours and that is really the max that I think people can even watch videos for.
In the end.
So a person is asking, my friend's father, they give a name, has been in a coma for at least two months in Kenya, and they want to know if you will have him healed and returned to his family.
So obviously there are going to be a lot of people, some who hear this later and watch this later, who are going to want to contact you, obviously might want to Use your services, etc., etc.
What do you want to say to them and can you give your website and the particulars in terms of that?
One thing I want to say is that what we're saying here, and whenever you hear it, whenever you view it, it has a morphic field.
That morphic field is a living thing.
You have access to that just as much as we do, and it will be present for you, and all you have to do, it's like if you're testing for the wind, you wet your finger and hold it up.
Oh, there it is.
All you have to do is desire to access it with your heart, and you have access to that.
The thing that is the hardest for people is to get out of their limiting beliefs that would then, Put that experience in a box and prevent it from manifesting something.
And the desire to have something happen, like getting a person out of a coma.
You know, understand, Jesus brought somebody back from the dead, but he didn't do it by trying to bring somebody back from the dead.
He already knew that was a done deal.
And what he said for the people that did not know that is, Lazarus, come forth.
Now, I've never brought anybody back from the dead, but we do have a student that brought a goldfish back from the dead.
We've had several animals that have literally come back from the dead recently.
Like that.
And people as well.
So it's possible.
We've had people come out of comas.
Many things are possible.
The question is, how far can you get outside of your comfort zone to allow for those things to occur and not feel guilty or shamed or inadequate if they don't and think you've done something wrong?
That's the thing to transcend.
Look at that within yourself.
Okay.
Go ahead.
Very briefly is that we never know what's going to happen in a session or a seminar and what an outcome is going to be.
I mean, one of the basic principles of Matrix Energetics is letting go of your expectations, letting go of an attachment to a specific outcome.
That actually increases the likelihood that what you desire will become available.
Will it necessarily manifest the way that we think it should?
Not always.
Not everyone wants to come back from a coma, right?
I mean, that's hard to understand, but people that are in a coma oftentimes are finally coming in touch with their multidimensional awareness, and they're having a blast, and they're not so sure they want to come back into this limiting frame of reference called physical reality.
However, that doesn't mean that matrix energetics or any consciousness expanding technology can't be of service in that type of configuration.
Not only could you provide more comfort and support for the person, they may come out of a coma, you can provide comfort and support and a shift of consciousness for the family members who are often suffering the most.
I do want to just be mindful of time and answer your question.
You asked for the website There's a couple different ways you can find us.
Our main website for Matrix Energetics, www.matrixenergetics.com, spelled M-A-T-R-I-X-E-N-E-R-G-E-T-I-C-S.com.
We have a multi-platform website where you can learn about Matrix Energetics, about the M-Joy Integrative Teachings, as well as the Holosynchronous Energetic Technology Systems that Richard Barton is teaching us.
It's www.i-hrt.com.
And I also have a dedicated website, which is www.mjoyheartfield.com.
But the easiest way to find us is by matrixenergetics.com, and that will lead you in the expansion of Matrix Energetics into the future of where the teachings are going.
Okay, great.
So at this time, I'm going to basically close this down and thank everyone for listening.
And we have a lovely audience out there.
I appreciate everyone coming and asking your good questions.
And Melissa Joy and Richard Bartlett, thank you so much.
It's been lovely having both of you here with me today.
And let's do this again sometime.
You know, let me know when something...
More miraculous.
Other miracles happen.
Something, you know, drops up that you think, you know, we didn't talk about here, and it would be great to have you back in the future, okay?
Thank you very much.
We loved sharing the space with you and being in the conversation, and we would love to come back anytime, really.
So thank you very much.
Thank you.
We're very grateful to you and your audience.
Okay, alright.
Thanks everyone.
I really appreciate you being here and I'll be back tomorrow morning at, well I call it morning, at 1pm with Ken Johnston from NASA and we'll be talking about structures on the moon.
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