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Oct. 2, 2015 - Project Camelot
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PCTV: KERRY CASSIDY INTERVIEWS SEAN STONE - PART 1 OF 2
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Thank you.
So, Sean, welcome, and it's great to have you here.
Can you basically, what I have is this IMDB background on you and it says you were born in December 29th in New York City and that you were and are an actor, director, you're known for Natural Born Killers and The Doors and JFK. Okay.
That may be kind of dated.
You're the son of the director, Oliver Stone and Elizabeth Stone, a member of Princeton University Class of 2006.
You've been in 13 films directed by Oliver Stone and, let's see, you started your directorial career with documentaries and you are also, right now, the talk show host and...
I'm not sure what you call yourself and producer of Buzzsaw, correct?
Yep.
You've been on it.
That's right.
So tell us, what is it that drew you to this field to start a show on Buzzsaw to do the kind of thing that really I'm doing for now 10 years and what is it in your background kind of growing up that led you down that road?
Yeah, well, Buzzsaw originated as a spin-off, I guess you could say, from Conspiracy Theory, the Jesse Ventura show that was on TruTV for three years.
And unfortunately, the show got cancelled after that stretch.
I think it was actually a really good reality show because it was probing into the fields that interest us, you as well, obviously, as far as everything from the Kennedy assassination conspiracy to 9-11 questions to...
When I came on the show in the third season, we got into more of the exo-political things.
Reptilian aliens, time travel, death rays, you name it.
We obviously had a lot of really cool subject matter in that third season.
That was the last season for Conspiracy Theory, but when the show came to an end, I was approached by some friends who We're working with this Lip TV, which is the network that actually hosts Buzzsaw.
They approached me and they said, do you want to do a show?
I talked to Tyrell because he had been my co-host and Tyrell is Jesse Ventura's son.
He and I basically came up with this concept for Buzzsaw.
He brought Tabitha Wallace as his producer slash co-host and news anchor.
They basically started The news side of Buzzsaw, which ultimately has evolved now into the RT show.
RT America has the show Watching the Hawks, which has Tyrell and Tabitha and myself all co-hosting a news platform now.
That all evolved from Buzzsaw two years ago, and I was doing the interview portion, which I still do.
So my interest, obviously, as far as the interview side of things, has been in Across the board into alternative points of view, let's say.
I would say that's the easiest way of explaining what Buzzsaw is about.
It's sometimes X-Files, sometimes just another take on politics, economics.
It doesn't have to be as far out all the time, although we like to go there.
We like to have people like yourself on and talk about If the moon landings were faked and talk about ancient aliens and all that kind of stuff.
But really it's a question of bringing people with different perspectives into a forum where we can have long conversations and articulate them hopefully in ways that will captivate critical thinkers.
And I think that's really what it boils down to is conspiracy theory isn't so much just about being some kind of nut who's hanging out in dark basements, but actually a critical thinker, someone who goes and researches and reads and questions and doesn't necessarily always know the answer.
But like any good scientist, you're actually supposed to start with theories.
You should start with a hypothesis and you work your way through theories.
And sometimes, unfortunately, because we're dealing with history, we're dealing with events that we can't prove, we don't ultimately have some kind of definitive proof that they're asking for.
And yet I would say that usually the government proposes another theory and they just call it fact.
So we're ultimately caught up in this game of competing theories, or competing mythologies, in a sense, of how the world works.
Sure, absolutely.
Okay, so you started by getting this sort of opportunity by way of being in the Jesse Ventura show, Kind of by connections that you met on the show and so on it seems.
But in terms of what you're doing now, it sounded like you kind of have another segment that is happening, which is this news segment and you're also...
Your show, your interview show is part of that.
But are you only talking about Buzzsaw?
Are you talking about going, because right now you're on the internet, right?
But is this also on regular television?
Yeah.
RT, Russia Today is broadcast globally, right?
So it's basically hundreds of millions of potential viewers.
I don't know what the actual viewership is, but Hundreds of millions of viewers worldwide get our show, which is Watching the Hawks, and it's a daily show that comes on 6 p.m.
Eastern Time and, as I said, broadcasts globally.
So that's a television program.
And then Buzzsaw, as I mentioned, was sort of the catalyst that led to Watching the Hawks on RT, but I still do Buzzsaw really out of Because it's my own little hybrid show that I can basically interview people and continue my own investigations and my own questioning.
I can reach into more, let's say, far-out topics that might be relevant to mainstream news.
Okay.
So what about on a personal level?
Was this your interest?
Because I think when I was on your show, we kind of talked a little bit about The Illuminati in Hollywood and that whole background.
And I think you've had some exposure to that.
And I'm wondering...
You know, I don't want to go down that road with you tonight, obviously.
But I'm wondering, is...
You know, when you were a kid, were you, like...
I don't know, interested in UFOs, etc.?
That sort of thing.
Right.
No, I really wasn't.
When I try to formulate my own history as far as how you kind of come to this other...
Perspective, let's say, on the dimensionality of our existence.
I have to obviously retrace the steps of where did this thinking come from?
If I look back, I come from a place of a lot of imagination because maybe it's genetic.
You could say it's a mixture of genetics and conditioning, but I grew up as an only child.
I was very much interested in I was telling stories.
I was writing and whatnot since I was very young.
And I loved to play with my toys and creating scenarios and worlds, but it was never from the perspective of some of these people who love sci-fi, who love fantasy novels, sword and sandal stuff.
That wasn't really my thing.
I wasn't interested by aliens, other worlds, magic.
None of that was particularly interesting to me.
Most of my stories actually were just kind of like G.I. Joe kind of stories.
Maybe because of Platoon and films like that influenced me more military.
As I get into my teenage years, I became very studious.
I was focused on going to Princeton, so I spent most of my time studying, and my interests were much more American history.
I think films like JFK inspired that, so that when I I started reading about CIA black operations, for example.
That became fascinating to me.
I was really interested by the alternative part of history that ultimately my dad and I would talk about and ultimately became his Untold History of the United States.
That Showtime series that he put out, a 10-part documentary series, a lot of his interest in history he shared with me since I was in high school.
So we would discuss these things.
He would He'd point me in the direction of certain books, and ultimately that led to my fascination with American history, but again, always from the point of view of rational, scholastic studies.
At Princeton, the same.
I was looking at it as an historian would, reading texts, and of course, you come across histories and whatnot that Do, including the Bible, that do refer to events that you would write off as fantastic, as miraculous, psychosis, maybe mass psychosis.
So when you come across these things as an historian, you have to basically either treat it with a grain of salt, or do you start to actually give credit and give credence to these things and say, well, maybe Maybe there is another reality going on.
And so it was only when I started to read the things like the David Icke books and the Sitchin books about the idea of alien gods genetically merging their DNA with humans that the Bible story started to make sense.
And I think, rationally speaking, it started to give...
Me, at least, better understanding maybe of where we come from than a religious background might have.
So I didn't have the religious indoctrination to ever say, well, I believe God created us in seven days.
But then you actually start to read the ancient texts and you say, well, that's interesting because the global flood myths, the flood mythology is global.
It's not just from Judeo-Christian culture.
And then they talk about flying craft in the sky and they talk about the skywalkers in the Vedas, for example.
They talk about flying dragons.
You start to read that and you read it in many cultures and And you can't just discount it all and say it's just fantasy.
As an historian, I think you at least have to say, well, let's see if there is something to this ancient civilization or these perhaps alien beings that were here at one point or maybe have never left.
So the more that you read and you research and you realize all these thousands of people have witnessed UFOs and the witnesses are Pilots and Air Force personnel and military personnel who are not just wackos, you have to take that seriously.
So it always came from the perspective of someone who, I guess, like a Richard Dolan, for example, who as an historian was looking at it historically and trying to put things in perspective and say, okay, there's too many odd anomalies of paintings with craft there's too many odd anomalies of paintings with craft in the sky and stories of lights in the sky to simply write it all off as they were just a bunch of comets and mass psychosis.
It didn't make sense to me.
So, again, all this came from a more studied place than an experiential place.
It wasn't from a kid who said, you know, I got abducted by aliens or something.
I don't have that memory.
Okay.
What about travel?
Because did you travel with your father or did you go to any ancient sites around the world when you were a kid that might have also triggered any kind of like a deep sort of love of history, which is what I'm getting from you?
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, absolutely.
I mean, I definitely credit my father with having taken me to places like India and Nepal and Tibet, East Asia.
In the course of going to India, for example, and we went to Tibet, Nepal, India, all the same trip to the Himalayas, and he did show me the concept of the third eye, for example, and I was only 10 years old.
I didn't quite understand what that meant until, for example, years later, but he definitely set me on a path of Wanting to understand meditation, wanting to understand Buddhism and sort of more spiritual practices to get in touch really with what I believe is the essence of who we are, which is our soul.
And so the more you can connect spiritually with your being and your essence, I think you start to actually have tremendous Maybe outside of body, as they call it, out-of-body experiences, astral projections, more connection to your dreams, just more sensitivity and awareness of what's going on all around us.
I was definitely set on a path, thankfully, at a young age that ultimately led me to have some mystical experiences in my life.
I would not say it was to the level of Being taken up in a craft, but I certainly have had almost lucid dreams for days, maybe two or three days on end, where I would literally see a different world, literally viewing something as though it were a memory and not knowing for sure, did I just imagine this or is this actually a memory of a past life experience?
I've had various Encounters with supernatural things that came about after my college experience when I got into the paranormal realm.
My first feature film was Greystone Park, which was a real mental hospital in Jersey that was notorious for being haunted.
Thousands of people had died there and been tortured with various mental health care techniques like electroshock, Lobotomy, you name it, pressure baths.
And so it was a very traumatized location.
Notoriously, Satanists go there to worship.
And so, in my experience, going to places like this and others, I became very sensitive to energies and sometimes even to the point of seeing things move by themselves or seeing shadows flying without a body attached or hearing demonic voices and screams and sounds.
That all It happened later because I put myself on a path, basically, of wanting to learn more and discover.
Not to the point of being a ghost seer or someone who says, I see ghosts, but to the place of wanting to understand how this reality is working.
Again, we can't discount these people's testimony.
Obviously, there are occasional Complete psychopath liars, but most people are not making this up when you have this much evidence of people who can recount things or psychics who can tell you about your dead grandfather or details like this.
Obviously, they're tapping into another realm, another dimension of our existence.
Maybe it's the collective unconscious, but we have to at least give credence when so many great thinkers have also gone down this path of trying to understand what's going on here.
So did you, for example, did you learn remote viewing along your travels?
No, I would not say I've learned remote viewing, nor astral projection to be precise.
I've seen, I mean, I would have to say I have seen a demonstration of astral projection that some people would say, you know, it's not scientifically, you couldn't scientifically prove that it was, but I do know that a friend of mine who Who was really dabbling with astral projection at the time, managed to send me a picture from New Jersey of a piece of paper.
And three hours later, that piece of paper was in my mailbox.
And so you could say, you know, okay, well, there's some way of, you know, scientifically you can't say that's proof, but in my gut, That was pretty evident.
They say in lore, with astral projection, you can actually move something that's light as a feather and thin as paper.
As long as it's very delicate, you can actually transport it from place to place during astral projection.
So I've seen that demonstration.
Obviously, there are many more accounts of CIA types and guys who've studied the programs in astral projected and done remote viewing as a result.
But I think it's It's a very cloudy realm as far as the astral projection goes because from the reports I hear, there's so many dimensions that sometimes you don't necessarily know which one you're arriving in.
They've done some good films recently on it, Insidious.
That whole series of Insidious movies talks a lot about how the kid, when he's astral projecting, he got lost in the realm of lost souls, basically.
And so another soul tried to attach and ends up I think that is realistic as far as the idea that when you project, there are different dimensions of projection and some are very haunted and very dark places that you can get lost in.
Sure, absolutely.
You yourself haven't actually studied remote viewing.
For example, do you meditate?
Have you gone down that road?
Yes.
I've been meditating since I was, again, Since I was about 10 years old, I became aware of it.
My father started practicing Buddhism then, and so that was really a time in my life when I started to understand this notion of stopping and sort of listening to your inner thoughts and learning to calm your breathing.
And obviously, when people talk about meditation, as we know, there's so many different forms of meditation.
There's sort of one of the fads being transcendental meditation, but Really, there's as many forms of meditation as there are of breathing, right?
It's a question of what are you trying to tap into?
Even magicians will use meditation or techniques of meditation for focusing, for concentrating, because the one thing I think as far as magic is concerned, the real hermeticist will tell you imagination is the key to all magic.
That's why there's this tremendous interest in I think that's where people with the Illuminati and Hollywood concept,
it's a really difficult one to untangle because there's an assumption that if you're in Hollywood at a certain level of power and influence, you must have signed your soul to the devil.
You must have made a deal or whatever.
On some levels, that may be true.
But those people who have sold their soul over may not even be aware of it.
You see, because devils don't just come to you in physical form, necessarily.
They can come to you in dreams.
They can come to you in a metaphorical way, where you basically feel like you're being drained.
You might feel like you basically have surrendered part of yourself, and you're willing to surrender part of yourself.
And there may not be a physical contract.
I mean, some people have talked about physical contracts and blood offerings and whatnot.
You've heard stories like that.
But I don't think that's necessarily the standard practice of any celebrity in Hollywood to have said, oh yeah, I signed my soul over to the devil with a blood pact.
Maybe it's true, but I tend to doubt that it would be that obvious.
I think that there are many ways of doing it on a soul level because, again, we're talking about metaphor, we're talking about dimensions, and we're talking about beings that presumably...
We don't always need physical bodies to be here.
Absolutely.
There's possession.
There are various forms of possession.
Some of it can be temporary, as you know.
A being can move in and out of occupying a human body.
Depending on the strength of the soul, the ego, the ability to withstand that kind of influence, that's where you get into these kind of things where Where someone could be taken over temporarily even on a constant basis.
Have you observed these kinds of things?
I don't know.
It seems that you have moved in some Hollywood circles for most of your young life, even up until the age you are now.
Have you observed this?
You know, and been conscious of this, or is this something that you just gradually became aware of maybe over the last few years?
No, I think it's a mixture of things.
You start to realize that, how do you say, there does seem to be truth to a lot of allegations about the nature of power in this world.
And it makes you wonder, obviously, who really does run things.
Because, look, I came again from a point of view of an historian who's trying to understand history, who's trying to understand how these conspiracies unfold.
And obviously there are conspiracies upon conspiracies, but then there seems to be something generational almost, where you have these bloodlines, you have these ruling elite that don't just go away as you would think they might after...
They pass away, right?
The bad guys pass away, and then why is it that these conspiracies continue and persist?
Could there be something that's almost supernatural in the power structure?
And when we talk about blood, genes, are we talking about something on a soul level that almost imitates or reflects blood?
What's going on down here?
Which is to say, certain bloodlines, certain beings, certain genes, have they sold their souls in past lives to the extent then that These beings are permanently attached to certain families, right?
The idea of going back to like curses, right?
Or luck, the notion that a certain family is...
You must have known some of the people, some of, you know, certainly some of the rock stars, some of the people that have died by suspicious circumstances, even Robin Williams, for example.
In other words...
You must have been watching this progress.
I think that when I first met you, I think you mentioned that you were studying some occult knowledge with certain magicians or something of that nature.
Maybe I misinterpreted what you said, but do you recall that?
And have you been seeing...
I mean, I'm not asking you to reveal anything that would get you in danger...
But can you at least say that you have observed this pattern whereby the use of the power has actually led to the demise of certain celebrities?
Right.
No, I mean, I go off on intuition on a lot of these things.
It's not necessarily...
I've never formally practiced magic.
Again, I believe that there's a spiritual nature to reality, but...
Everyone can find it in different ways.
Some people might find it through a religious practice and a routine through their own willpower and their own singular willpower and force that actually creates magical conditions for them.
We all have beings that follow us, I believe, that surround us.
Again, it's a question of not just being chosen in this lifetime.
I do believe that in past lives, we've made choices.
We basically have either committed ourselves to certain paths, and that continues to manifest from lifetime to lifetime.
We, as a result, learn certain lessons, and we have certain things befall us because of the consequence of what we've chosen in past lives.
When it comes to The nature of magic, yes.
It's frequency.
When people talk about occult practices, they're talking about frequency of words, frequency of the dimensions, the geometry of dimensions.
So you can use those as quick ways, let's say, of empowering yourself, perhaps.
But it's like using money to empower yourself.
At the end of the day, you yourself either generate that Charisma, the energy, the power within yourself or not.
Money, the occult ritual, that might be a quick solution, but it won't necessarily give you that which you need to endure from lifetime to lifetime.
When you see people falling into some of these traps, let's say, of the power of it, the addiction of it, we talked about before, they...
Could be possessed.
They might have surrendered part of themselves in the process of attaining that stature because no matter what, you have to guard your soul.
You can't surrender that, no matter what the temptation may be.
No matter how the temptation may be, they'll find a temptation for you, whether it's sex or drugs or money.
They will find these things and find your weaknesses, basically, and tempt you towards it to the point where ultimately you are enslaved.
Right.
Now, do you think that's what happened to some of the celebrities who have died under mysterious circumstances?
I mean, have you ever looked into that?
Look, there's so many questions about what causes that death, right?
I mean, you can go back to Jim Morrison, someone that young, dying of alcoholism, and this kind of...
Wasn't it a mixture of alcohol and kidney failure or something?
And you think someone at that age, physically, shouldn't be dying of that.
Someone like Amy Winehouse, who at her age, dying a few weeks or maybe a month after she talked about her manager wanting to put her inside the Illuminati pyramid on her cover of her album, and she was joking about it on TV, and she winds up dead.
There's so many stories like this.
John Rivers making jokes.
Yeah, John Rivers joking about Obama being gay and his wife being a transvestite.
Yes, there's always going to be questions, but you have to always think too, what kind of contracts on a soul level have these people made?
Because again, you could say it's like masonry in a way.
Once you're in, you've kind of vowed yourself to maintaining certain secrets.
Sometimes you don't even know what those secrets are.
It's simply an allegiance that you've pledged.
And so when you break that, on a soul level, you basically have forfeited your right to protect yourself.
That's the way I see it.
And so at that point, people can start playing games with you.
And that's the nature of witchcraft, right?
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