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Sept. 24, 2015 - Project Camelot
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PCTV : KERRI RIVERA : AUTISM AND HEALING - PART ONE
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Thank you.
Thank you.
And we're going to be talking about autism and MMS. And I wanted to have her website here on the screen so everyone could see it for those who are interested.
And then, Carrie, I'm going to let you do most of the introduction for yourself, but I will read a brief bio here.
It says Carrie Rivera is the mother of two sons.
15-year-old Patrick is in recovery from ASD, responsible for translating the ARI's Biomedical Protocol into Spanish.
She's a part of the Carando El Autísimo And the Fundacion Vendeciendo el Autismo, Puerto Rico and Venezuela, Mexican liaison for the Autism One and ARI, Rescue Angel Bio, let's see, Bilingual Mentor for TACA, a lot of initials here, and member of the Global Autism Alliance.
So welcome, Keri, and I'm very happy to have you as my guest.
I have done a couple of interviews, I don't know if you know this or not, with Jim Humble.
And so it's great to have you on the show today.
I do want to have a disclaimer here saying that we are not advocating any kind of Healing or health remedies here.
This is simply a discussion, a scientific discussion even, of certain effects that you've observed in, I believe, your own children as well as with the work you do.
And perhaps you can elaborate on all of that now.
So welcome and thanks for being on the show.
Carrie, thank you for inviting me.
I've heard your name over the last five years quite often.
And of course, it's nice to now have the opportunity to chat with you and talk a little bit about how we've sort of furthered the work that Jim Humble has started.
And of course, he did many, many things.
And autism was one of the things that really wasn't on his, well, wasn't really in his agenda at that time.
And so I really didn't find anything when I was looking on the internet for autism and I found this chlorine dioxide but with a doctor in Mexico who was working with it.
And so I really didn't know much about it and started to look into it and it sounded like, you know, the miracle cure.
It kills virus, kills bacteria, it takes care of everything.
So I already had a biomedical clinic in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico.
I've had it since 2006.
And we did a lot of alternative treatments, which alternative meaning to the mainstream where they think just drug them and put them into institutions.
So the biomedical community is still, you know, groups of doctors and homeopaths and other practitioners that believe that diet and other things really can help with the autism diagnosis.
And among them, you know, we're doing many of those types of treatments at the clinic, hyperbarics, diet, supplementation, chelation, things like that.
And really not seeing, you know, there was improvements.
Of course, there's improvements.
But it wasn't like, you know, recoveries.
You know, you hear that autism was treatable, curable, but you weren't really seeing the curable.
You were seeing more of the treatable.
And then I started working with the chlorine dioxide, which...
MMS is Miracle Mineral Solution or Miracle Mineral Supplement or whatever Jim was calling it.
But actually, that was more of a nickname for chlorine dioxide, which is a pro-oxidant.
It's often confused with chlorine bleach, which is sodium hypochlorite, a totally different chemical, totally different structure.
Kills through chlorination, not through oxidation like chlorine dioxide, which is a clean kill.
Anyway, so I started using it for my own son, and within a week, I saw incredible results.
Having worked with my son for many years doing lots of different treatments and diets, he had gotten much better, but he still was light years away from where he is today after we've been on the protocol for five years.
But of course, even in the first week, the results were Undeniable.
He was so much different right away.
And then other people that were coming to my clinic, I said, well, this person on the internet is selling me these drops, buy these drops, and this is how I'm doing it.
And so we started, and by, it was August 17, 2010, by November, there was the first recovery in Mexico, and by December of 2010, we had the first one in Spain.
So it was now really kind of catching on.
And that was really where things sort of went further.
And of course, about two years ago, well, three years ago, we really needed to get a book out.
Because it was, you know, every time I'd get an email from somebody, I start with OneDrop.
And it was, you know, a lot of text messaging, a lot of emailing, a lot of time spent on the real basic things that people can do by themselves.
They don't need to have a consult with me or talk to me even.
And so two years ago, the book came out.
And this is the book, it's called Healing the Symptoms Known as Autism.
I have co-authors on the book, Dan Bender, my sister Kim, and then of course the other authors, Jim Humble, Dr.
Marco Ruggiero for the GC Math, Dr.
Andreas Kalker, And the late Robert Sands, who is of hyperbaric fame and fortune, really great people that did a lot for autism.
And they were generous enough to write parts of the book really where they're experts, because I don't claim to be an expert in anything other than I see these things, we put them together, they work, and of course the miracle doesn't come from me.
It's just a matter of doing it and all those sort of things.
So there's been 190 people to lose their autism diagnosis, and they're between the ages of two and 32.
So there is really no age limit To how the body will be healed.
And since this book has been written, there's been a lot of people that have come over with Lyme disease, with fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, cancer, and they're doing the protocol and having similar results.
And people that have had lifetime illness and chronic illness, and they really weren't finding any results in their IV antibiotics that they were using for Lyme, and they do the protocol, and interestingly enough, they become negative for Lyme.
Things like that start to happen.
So for whatever the reason is that these things are happening, like they say spontaneous remission or whatever you want to call it, or you don't want to call it a cure, whatever you call it, but now these people no longer have the diagnosis or the symptomatology of their previous illness.
So it's working, and I'm working right now on a book that would be the same thing, but for people that don't have autism, because there's also some specific needs for dosing and things like that, even though the book really works for people that have other illnesses that is not autism or chronic disease.
Okay, well that's a great summary.
What I want to do here is kind of back up and get you to talk a little bit about yourself, how you got into I guess even writing a book and what your sort of history was with the, I guess you might call it, with the disease or however you refer to autism.
Sure.
Yeah, I had two children and my second child was born in 2000.
He was extremely bright.
You know, he was light years ahead of his neurotypical older brother.
Even from the day he was born, he was born alert.
He was just very, very, very alert automatically and smiley and really...
Really, he was phenomenally smart right away.
You could just tell he was firing on all eight pistons.
So by the time we went to his second vaccine, his two-year vaccine, he came back different.
And it was noticeable because, you know, he was no longer having eye contact.
He was no longer talking.
He was flapping.
It was in a very short period of time.
And we talked about this over the years.
My sister had gone away for the summer, so she didn't see Patrick from the time, like the beginning of July.
Then she came back sort of like the third week of August.
And Patrick had his two-year vaccine, which was the five-in-one.
On the 13th of August.
And she came back somewhere around the 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th of August, something like that.
And he was different, running back and forth from the TV to the door, back and forth, and squealing and flapping.
And again, no eye content.
He was a child that was really connected and interested in the surroundings.
And of course, he had many, many words.
And all that was starting to fade.
He still had some words up until about two and a half.
And of course, you don't know what's happening.
All the doctors are just saying, oh, you know, he's a spoiled two-year-old.
He's, you know, all these kind of things that would never be that, you know, he might have autism or a vaccine injury or something like that.
So anyway, life goes on and, you know, we're just having a terrible life and he's not sleeping and he has chronic diarrhea and he's drooling and, you know, he's a disaster.
And was this, I was wondering, what country was this in where you had the vaccine?
Well, we lived in Mexico, and so he received all of his vaccines from Mexico, but they come from the U.S., so it isn't that, you know, my mother always said, oh, well, if you would have lived in the U.S. I mean, the autism in the United States is off the hook.
I think it's one in 30 boys right now, so there's, you know, there's no control anywhere in the world, and unfortunately, worldwide, we're vaccinating pretty much the same in every country, so you're getting about 48 vaccines before the age of two.
Are you saying that, did I just hear you say it was more in boy children than girls?
Yeah, it's one in five.
So five boys and one girl.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
And do you know the reason for that at all?
There's speculation that the testosterone makes them more susceptible to the mercury in the vaccines.
The estrogen protects the girls more.
I don't really know.
And I don't think anybody's ever proved it or even had, you know, you can really get a group of people.
But that's one of the reasons I heard that sounds a little bit more logical than some of the other reasons.
So were you a medical professional when this happened?
I was a mother.
I was just a mother.
That was really, I mean, I played tennis, I was a mother, you know, that wasn't my thing.
And of course, you're, you know, fast forwarded and the autism mothers, the biomedical mothers are some of the most well read The fathers too, of course.
Well-read people you ever want to speak with.
They become experts on anything that's going to help their children, whether they're therapies or they're biomedical interventions for healing what we find in labs and their symptoms to be illnesses.
So no, I didn't.
And of course, all that sort of came into play when I realized, wow, in Latin America, there was really no information for us.
First of all, the internet still at the time in 2004, my son was actually officially diagnosed with autism.
There was very little information in Spanish on autism at all.
And typically, even in South America, for instance, it's getting better.
But still, it's still pretty rustic.
They're probably about 2005 right now, where we're in 2015 in the United States and other areas.
So it just depends on what you're...
What your internet bandwidth is.
So that's a lot of stuff that's still being held out.
So one of my biggest motivations was to take these protocols, and that's why we translated the DAN, Defeat Autism Now Protocol, from English into Spanish back in 2005, 2006.
Because we really felt that the world needed to know this information.
Of course, now, fast forward, what I've learned is that really didn't cure the kids.
It was sort of like, keep doing labs, which don't work.
Keep giving supplements, which don't work.
Keep doing diet.
Diet works.
But you've got to really pull the diet back, because everyone's doing gluten-free, casein-free.
You could eat pretty much Coca-Cola and corn chips all day long and be gluten-free, casein-free.
We know that's still not a healthy diet.
So We still had more to do, and this is where the book comes out.
So now I've walked this long path, and I did have a biomedical clinic from 2006 until 2012 in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, and learned a lot of things, and a lot of doctors came and saw children, and we had staff doing hyperbarics and chelation and things of that nature, psychologists doing therapies.
But I saw a lot of things and learned a lot of things in the meantime.
Then I went back to school for homeopathy.
And at the same time I was in school, the chlorine dioxide came into my life.
And as I started seeing it, I was looking at the homeopathy and looking at these kids recovering and going, oh my gosh, this is pulling me.
Because I knew diet was always important for our kids.
There's no question about diet.
Well, diet in anyone, even if you're a healthy individual.
If you're eating junk food and you're eating healthy food, obviously your car is going to work better.
And same with our kids.
Of course, they're chronically ill, so the worst thing you could do is give them garbage like, you know, wheat and sugar and dairy and things of that nature.
So anyway, we already knew that that was good, but when the drops came into my life and I started to see these kids, like all of them were just substantially better.
So some were recovered, but some were just substantially better, and that's even still really good in autism.
Okay, so you were married, or did you have a husband?
With who also was impacted by the autism.
Our whole family, my sister, everybody was really impacted by what happened to my son because he sort of slipped away.
And even the staff, we had a cook, and she was very close to Patrick, and she would tell my sister when I wasn't there after the diagnosis, no, it's not possible he has that.
He's fine.
Really, it was really hard for everybody to accept that this really incredibly bright child had slipped away before our very eyes and we didn't recognize it.
It's very disturbing.
Okay, so once you sort of found out about this, the MMS, did you start using it right away or what was your kind of progress in that way?
Sort of an interesting thing because in 2009 I had gone to a major city near where I lived to go see a doctor who was doing IV chelation on kids.
And while I was there talking to him, this nurse showed up with this big box with all these really cool colored bottles, all these blue bottles, all these green bottles, and the colors caught my eye.
And I said, well, what's that?
And he said, oh, they're detoxification drops.
I said, oh, that would probably be good for us.
And he said, oh, yeah.
So I bought several bottles.
And he said, yeah, I put a drop with a drop, you know, and wait 30 seconds or a minute or five, whatever.
I forget what he said.
But anyway, so I took them home.
And I took a few drops and I didn't really see much of anything with it besides I got a little bit of a rash.
And of course the rash, I called the doctor and said, oh my gosh, I have this rash.
It doesn't itch, no fever, nothing.
He said, no, you're detoxifying old virus that was in your body.
Interesting.
It was true.
And then I was like, yeah, you know, I didn't really get anything out of it.
I didn't know how to use them.
There was no support.
It just didn't go like that.
So I shelved them into my closet.
And then a year passes by, and I had just done another protocol with mega vitamin therapies, 90 supplements at a time, doing testing, lab testing every month.
We were spending about $3,000 a month at this point, and this is one of my last of those pricey interventions that really didn't work.
And some healer came to town and said, you know, you should probably get rid of all that stuff.
It's really not helping your son anyway, and I don't I didn't want to do it, but I did.
I pulled everything.
This was like June of 2010, and he was better without all that junk.
He was better.
Diet, and we kept something for fungus and stuff, but he was still better.
And I thought, gosh, what's left?
What am I going to do?
We had done everything.
And again, our results, really, diet was big for us.
That gave us a lot of our son back.
But still, we were missing some stuff.
And I kept thinking, you know, what is it going to be?
And I kept thinking, there's not a doctor here that I'm going to go to that's going to be able to fix my son.
So we've gone to a lot of doctors, and we heard a lot of things, read a lot of things.
And, you know, there wasn't really much else.
Actually, there was really nothing else that we hadn't tried biomedically for my son to get better.
And then as my son's birthday was approaching, I remember I was starting to feel a sadness that, you know, now he was going to be 10 and he really, you know, wasn't recovered and I didn't really see any answers on the horizon and all the great people that I knew, nobody was coming up with anything new.
And I laid on my children's bed one day and I prayed.
But I didn't pray to God or the angels or to Allah.
I prayed to every name.
Allah, Jehovah, God, Ames.
I mean, I went there and I said, I don't know.
I don't know what it is, but I know that there's an answer here.
And I promise that if, in fact, there is an answer, that I will always do this work.
And that's why people say to me, you know, how do you keep doing them?
People, you've got these trolls and haters and pharma-paid henchmen, you know, on you on the internet and stuff.
But the reality is the truth is...
The truth seekers and the people that believe in the truth, you know, if it were true that chlorine dioxide were bleach, there'd be dead kids, not recovered kids.
There's not one dead person with this whole movement, even from Jim's time back 20 years ago.
And he was using 20, 30 drops at a time.
You can't kill yourself with it, really.
So anyway, then I started to, you know, there was no voices and no thunder, but I started to remember those drops that I bought a year prior.
And so I went down to my closet and I looked, and there they were.
And I thought, all right.
So I go back up and I start to Google.
And at the time it was MMS, you know, but we call it now officially chlorine dioxide because it is chlorine dioxide.
So I'm, you know, MMS virus kills virus.
Well, opens the envelope of the virus and destroys it.
Kills bacteria, kills Candida.
Weakens parasites, kills the small parasites, neutralizes heavy metals, because heavy metals seems to be, at the time, ten years ago, five, ten years ago, was thought to be mercury-caused autism.
Mercury, heavy metals are part of autism, but autism is a, in the biofilm, there's every type of pathogen plus the heavy metals, so it isn't just one thing or the other thing, and a lot of the doctors just look at the candida.
They just look at the bacteria.
Or they just look at the heavy metals.
But it is this broad spectrum of a biofilm with everything in it.
So how do you treat it all at one time successfully?
And also how do you break up biofilm?
Now chlorine dioxide is the best biofilm breaker up in the world.
So I knew all these things beforehand, but I didn't know that chlorine dioxide could do it.
So I knew what my buzzwords were going to be when I was looking for the information with the chlorine dioxide.
And there's a lot of information that comes off of the EPA website, the FDA website, especially if you call it chlorine dioxide.
CLO2, you don't want to call it MMS because they've got that peg.
That's a buzzword for poison, and it's not.
It's just Jim's term for chlorine dioxide.
So I looked it up, and at the time, you know, it was a very adverse relationship with the father because we had spent so much money, and the child was marginally better, and I would do anything that I would find looking for answers because, you know, there was a time when one woman recovered her kid with secretin.
It was an IV injectable product.
One person recovered with secretin.
The rest of us all tried it, you know?
So there was, you know, everyone just kind of running from side to side like a bunch of whale watchers trying to recover our children as fast as possible.
Because we lost them.
They were fine.
Then they were gone.
And you want that person who was healthy fine back again.
Anyway, so it was a very difficult conversation to have, you know, with people that, you know, we just spent all this money.
And again, after all those years, you know, this is now 2010.
He'd been in recovery since 2004.
So six years of spending...
Oodles and oodles of money to come and say, hey, I want to try something else.
It was like, I don't want to hear it.
So I just kept researching, researching.
And one day I was at my clinic and some friends were in my clinic and they had just gotten out of the hyperbaric chamber that we had.
And the wife turns to me and she says, Carrie, we're taking MMS. And it was like this aha moment.
I was like, you're kidding me.
She's like, oh, no.
We're herxing and we're feeling bad, but we're feeling really good afterwards.
And, you know, we're getting rid of all these toxins.
And I said, you're not going to believe this.
But for the last couple of weeks, all I can do is, like, Google it, research it, read about it.
And I said, you know, and again, you come across, no one's died from it.
And there's people saying they were cured from cancer and I, you name it, like everything that we've always known to be incurable, they're recovering from, right?
So I said, you've got to come to the house.
We've got to have a, you know, conversation with the father, you know, see what we can do about this, see...
And so we went to the house and started talking.
Okay, you know, parents will start taking it.
And if everybody's, you know, still alive on their feet in five, seven days, we'll give it to the child.
So, okay, get the go-ahead.
Now this is like the child, my son turns, he turns 10 on the 12th of August, 2015, sorry, 2010.
And on the 17th of August, he takes his first drop.
And I don't see anything.
And then I give them a drop in the morning, drop at nights.
It's like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.
You know, one drop in the morning on Monday, one drop in the morning, one drop in the evening on Tuesday.
Wednesday, one drop morning, one drop midday, one drop evening.
I'm not seeing anything, but I also don't know what I'm looking for.
So meanwhile, I start to email the Jim Humblecamp.
You know, hi, my name is Carrie Rivera.
I've got this clinic in Puerto Vallarta, and I got these kids, and I got this big mouth, and I tell everybody things that work, and I'm trying to help other people.
And could you please help me with how to dose kids?
You know, because I only saw, like, these insane, like, 20 drops at a time.
But I knew from my biomedical background that we go low, and so it started with one drop.
I get an email back from Mark Grennan, who does clinics and stuff like that for teaching people how to use the protocols that Jim does.
And he said, oh, well, Jim will contact you tomorrow, but I'll send him your email.
I said, great.
So Jim answers me back, and he says, for 25-pound children, it's one drop eight times a day.
For 50-pound children, it's two drops eight times a day.
And for 100-pound children, it's three drops eight times a day.
Okay, so Friday morning I wake up, my son's 100 pounds, exactly, and I give him three drops every hour basically for eight hours.
Now, he does projectile vomit towards the end of the day, and that for me was kind of disturbing, but at the same time, I'm also familiar with Herxheimer, and that can happen with any biomedical protocol.
That can even happen with a change in the diets.
So I wasn't overly concerned.
And he wasn't passing out.
He didn't look strained.
Nothing like that was happening.
But he definitely projectile vomited.
It was, like I said, at the end of the day.
So nothing much to be noticed.
He would stand in front of a computer and flap.
That was kind of what he did.
So this is the Friday.
He's at full dose.
I mean, we don't do these kind of things anymore because now I've worked out a protocol where we go low and slow, one-eighth at a time.
Anyway, so this is, again, me just learning what this stuff is all about.
And so I was in the TV room.
I was reading a book.
It was just the two of us.
And he was standing in front of his computer watching YouTube videos and flapping and jumping.
And it was 9 o'clock at night, and this is a child who could have stayed flapping all night long.
At no point would he ever feel like he was tired or accepted.
There would be nothing.
I would have to say, let's go to bed, and then he would go to his room.
So anyway, at 9 o'clock, I'm reading my book, and he turns to me and says, I want bed.
Carrie, I mean, this is something he never said.
He could say those words.
He could say, I want, and he could say bed, but he would never say, I want bed, like referring to, I'm tired, you know?
So I was sort of in shock, and of course there was nobody else there, so it's kind of, you saw like, you know, something you've never seen before.
So I said, okay, and then he started upstairs.
So I followed him.
And as soon as we got to his room, he turned to me and he said, I want take bath.
Again, he knew that it's a bath.
He knew the words, I want take.
But for sure, I want take bath.
Again, a very mundane thing.
He would never say that.
So I was like, okay.
Nice.
And again, now he goes.
So I'm not leading him.
He's leading me.
As I just stood there still going, this isn't possible.
My son has been called by every doctor that ever saw him a non-responder.
And my son's responding to something.
You know, this was like beyond my capabilities, you know, of so many years having failed or felt like we failed.
He gets in the tub and he's sudsing himself with his sponge and he's like giggling, like enjoying, really enjoying.
And my son, before he got sick with autism at two, he was a funny little guy looking, always kind of silly getting into things.
You know, he always had that spark in his eye.
And it was gone all those years.
And I saw at that moment he was in the tub.
He was, again, jovial, and he was relaxed.
And so then he finishes his bath, and I get the towel, and as I peel it back, and this I'm never going to forget, as I peeled it back from his face, he was looking me in the eyes for the first time in eight years, like he looked at me before.
And it was...
Sorry.
It's okay.
It's a very moving story.
Because you miss them so much when they're gone.
Yeah, I'm sure.
Absolutely.
So...
So he's there.
He's back now.
He's back.
And again, it's shocking.
You don't even believe it's happening.
Of course, you don't think it's going to stay because you've lost him once already.
So that's not even in there.
But it's exciting.
And then he says, I want brushed teeth.
Never has he said I want brushed teeth.
I was always like, let's brush my teeth.
I always had songs for everything.
And so we brush his teeth.
And he's kind of giggling as we're brushing him and giggling.
And then we finish with the brushing.
And he says, I want kanket.
I'm like, kanket, kanket.
Blanket?
Blanket, yes!
And he goes and runs and dives on his bed.
He never ran, and he never dove.
It was like a freedom.
He had been released from his chains of this heavy autism sickness.
And again, he was far from cured, but he was light years from where he was the morning before.
Right.
Almost like we had unloaded a load of pathogens or something in these three drops eight times a day.
And so we played and I would roll him with the blanket and every time he would come back around he'd be smiling at me and looking me dead straight in the eyes with that spark that we had lost.
But for me, this was like a huge turning point.
And so when I went back to my clinic the next week, people were coming and saying, okay, now what do we do?
We did the diet for a week.
What should we do?
So I always like people to really handle the diet before they start doing anything else because that can be a big change for a lot of people.
And I said, well, there's these drops, you know, and they seem to take care of everything and read about them.
And again, I was still just learning about them.
I had spent, you know, a few weeks reading about it, but still I wasn't, you know, saying I have this, you know, I have the bull by the horns.
Let's do it.
You know, let's just all do this.
But over the next months, we started to have like a little protocol.
We break up one drop in the morning, one drop at night.
And still for the little kids that were, you know, weighing 20 to 30 pounds, That was still a lot of drop at one time.
Over like 2011 is when I started using the baby bottle method.
So you have an eight ounce bottle of water.
You start off day one with eight ounces of water.
You put in one drop and you take one ounce eight times a day without food.
So you're getting one-eighth of a drop over an hour, and you know it only lasts an hour.
So it was only one-eighth of a drop.
So now we go up every hour only by one-eighth of a drop.
So basically, if in fact you're dosing during the day, and instead of the Herxheimer like my son had with the vomiting, you don't have that.
You'll have like, if they start to feel like, if it starts to go too fast for them or for the person who's taking it, it can be an adult or child, it doesn't matter.
But you start first to get kind of tired.
Stop dosing that day.
Or you kind of feel like you don't want to eat.
Stop dosing that day.
You have a little nausea.
Stop!
We're not pushing through.
It doesn't make any sense.
That's not how you heal.
You have to go with the speed of the body.
There's some people, I have some parents that say, I started three drops eight times a day, no problem, and I had no heart sing.
Great.
Okay.
I really wish you wouldn't do that, though, because it's, you know, even if you're a healthy adult, it's still good to start off low and slow because still you can have, you know, maybe when your body catches up with you, you might start feeling a little bit under the weather, and there's no reason to do that.
Absolutely, you should be feeling all your good energy, and again, if you start feeling a little bit low or the child looks a little bit low, then you stop dosing for the day, and the next day we drop down one drop.
So we've...
I've actually taken all the kinks.
I just had a consult with the mother a couple hours before I'm talking to you right now.
And she was saying something.
She says, you know, in all the stories I heard about her Alzheimer's and vomiting, she goes, my son never had it.
Her son, within weeks, went from nonverbal to verbal.
And he's doing extremely well a year later.
This is not a protocol where everybody recovers in five minutes.
It can take you...
I had one mother.
Her son did 28 parasite protocols with the entire protocol, and now he's recovered.
But 28 months, basically, it took.
So it isn't always a very quick fix, but what does happen is every single month, there is improvements.
The first three months when we're getting rid of the toxins can be a little bit mixed.
Like I said with my son, I had that vomiting in the beginning because I... It didn't have a real protocol for children.
So now that we do, we don't really have any of that kind of stuff.
But we can still have, you know, where they're kind of a little tired, not feeling so good, that kind of stuff.
And then we just have to keep going down a drop and stop dosing that day.
But we've worked through the kinks, basically, so that we can have good results.
So what is the status with your son at this time, over like five years later?
Well, pretty soon he was losing ATEC points.
ATEC is called Autism Treatment Evaluation Checklist.
It was created by Dr.
Bernard Grimlin, who basically started all of what is biomedical intervention back in the 70s.
And it's sort of a way to...
It's sort of a test that you can do at home.
You can do it online.
It's free at autism.com.
And it's very nice because it gives you an idea where we're starting.
Zero through ten of your ATEC. If your ATEC is zero through ten, it's somebody like you and I. We don't have an autism diagnosis.
But anywhere from like 11 until 29 is going to be more of an ADD, ADHD, maybe a little learning disability in there.
And then 30 through 160 is autism.
30 would be high functioning, much less severe.
Then, of course, 160, 150, 140, pretty bad, like not really doing anything right.
My son in 2004, when he was diagnosed, March 12, 2004, his ATEC was 147.
So he was very far away from a zero.
Okay.
He couldn't sleep through the night.
He had chronic diarrhea.
He was always drooling.
He was always crying.
I mean, everything was wrong with this guy.
Everything.
His food, he wouldn't eat any healthy food.
He went from eating a healthy diet to a complete...
A diet that he picked by himself because he was sick.
His pathogens were pretty much driving him to all the wheat.
All he could do was eat wheat products, bread.
He craved bread and quesadillas and all the wrong stuff.
Of course, it just provoked more illness with him.
That was pretty much the way we test.
And then my son, by the time we had done diet and treated some of the candida, he got down to maybe around 80, something like that, 75, 80.
So he was better, but still, there was a lot of running and slamming doors.
He was sleeping through the night most nights.
Still bedwetting, you know, things of this nature.
So he still was not perfect.
It was definitely not a perfect situation.
And then we started the chlorine dioxide.
And within the first year, a little over a year and a half, he got to a 38.
And then he got into the 20s.
And now his ATEC score is somewhere around 20.
Kind of depends because he is verbal, but he doesn't converse.
He sleeps for the night and obviously he does all of his bathrooming himself and he showers himself and he can get his own food and he can ask for things he wants.
You know, there's no self-injurious behavior.
There's no...
I mean, he's, you know, in between good and bad, he's really good, but he's not yet recovered.
And then some of the other things that happen as the children get older is we have to worry about puberty because a lot of things at puberty start happening, like seizures start to happen in some cases at puberty.
Puberty is sometimes self-aggression happens at puberty.
It didn't happen before.
So also I feel blessed in the way that we have this protocol that we maintain Patrick in a way that he is still good.
You know, he doesn't have the seizure.
He doesn't have the self-injurious behaviors that sometimes come with puberty.
So he's now 15 years old.
I guess you had a clinic for a period of time, right?
How long was that?
That was from 2006 into 2012.
Okay.
And then at the clinic, were you using the chlorine dioxide?
Only in the last year and a half.
Okay.
And then you closed it.
Why did you close it or withdraw from it?
Lots of reasons.
One, it was very expensive to maintain because we had it as a not-for-profit.
That was one of the reasons.
And of course, a lot of the things that you can do at home.
So if people can stay at home and do what they need to do, it's so much better than actually having to go someplace and do something.
And I found also, because I had a hyperbaric chamber there, that a lot of people were like, oh, well, she just wants you to use the hyperbaric chamber to make money and all these kind of finger-pointing things.
And I No, no.
Stay in your city.
Look for a hyperbaric chamber and do the hyperbaric piece there.
And IV chelation really didn't do anything.
Yeah, you pulled metals, but when you looked at the person, you didn't see any real improvements in the person.
So basically, all the protocols were to stay home and do them yourself.
Save your money.
Stay home.
Do it from home.
And that was such a new thinking.
So, in your case, or maybe in all the different cases, some of the kids are getting what you would call cured completely.
Is this true?
Yeah, recovery from autism is possible.
Not everybody recovers from autism.
And of course, we don't know how long it takes to recover somebody who's 15 years old or 20 years old from autism.
We don't really know.
The younger children obviously are going to recover faster because they've been sick less time.
But we still are seeing that one of the fellows who recovered, the boys, the kids, he's 18, He recovered a couple years ago with the protocol.
He started university this month, and he has a driver's license in his wallet.
And I mean, he had a 78 ATEC when he started this protocol.
And I just think that that's so celebratory.
And of course, the 32-year-old who recovered...
He was 32.
I think he's 33 now.
But, you know, his mom will post a photo of him walking their dog, you know.
He still lives with his mom, but his ATEC, you know, he used to be very violent, self-injurious, violent to the family, throwing things around.
His ATEC was also somewhere in the 80s because it was mostly this violence piece.
And, again, he lives, you know, with his mother, and she's in her 60s and, you know, functioning.
So there's different levels.
But, like I said, I mean, there's no sense to even think that there's an age...
With the kids, I mean, your specialty or your focus is autism.
There are other things that are helped by this protocol.
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