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Feb. 5, 2015 - Project Camelot

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PROJECT CAMELOT: DANIEL SMITH - MMS & THE CHARGES AGAINST HIM

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	Thank you.
	This is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and I'm here with Daniel Smith and we're going to be talking about MMS, his background and the charges that are against him, I guess launched by the FDA.
	is that correct?
	Well, yeah, it would be the Department of Justice, but, of course, at the bidding of the FDA. Okay, okay.
	And so I'm putting you on the screen now, and so say hello to everyone.
	Hello, everyone.
	Yeah.
	It's a pleasure to be here, Gary.
	Thank you.
	Okay, well, it's great to be able to catch you before this all kind of plays out, because I guess the court case, I tried to catch you when I found out about it, which was just recently.
	I wanted to make sure to be able to ask you and give you a chance to talk about it publicly before the case is actually held, right?
	Yes.
	Trial is set for March 2nd, so we're just under a month out.
	Okay.
	Okay, great.
	And, you know, I mean, this is a real tragedy, in my view, because obviously, well, let me say that Project Camelot has interviewed Jim Humble about MMS a number of times, and all of that is linked on my page, my front page here.
	If you go to the announcement for the Daniel Smith case, you'll see there are links.
	You'll see his bios here.
	And we're going to talk about his background and all that.
	By the way, I'm going to do another live broadcast tonight with Mike Sparks, if all things go as planned.
	And so we're going to be talking about James Bond and a bunch of other stuff.
	So at any rate, you know, I'm just looking to see if I've got these links showing up here on this page because that's important.
	I think maybe I just linked at the top.
	So, yeah.
	So the links, what you'd have to do is basically go to this for this link here, and then I'm going to click here.
	We're doing this on screen right now for people.
	Basically to an article, a very short article that I wrote and then linked back to much longer posting that I found online about the case, about Daniel, and so on.
	And then the links are at the bottom to my previous, actually mine and Bill Ryan's previous interviews with With Jim Humble.
	So at any rate, there is an attack on, as everyone will know, on alternative health remedies of all kinds in various countries.
	And I guess the United States wants to get in on that game of interfering with...
	With people's right to choose their own methods of healing themselves.
	And so that's a big problem in my view.
	So welcome, Daniel.
	And if you want to talk about yourself, maybe give yourself an introduction and then we'll go from there.
	Well, I fear I won't be probably as distinguished of a guest as many of yours.
	But I've been an entrepreneur for most of my life and a musician and closet scientist and interested in all the same things that you report on regularly, that sort of thing.
	And in about 2007, we started a company called Project Green Life.
	I sort of left behind my technical background.
	I had worked for a cypher company I had my own media company, multimedia company.
	We did a lot of software development, online development, audio and video production, things like that.
	I really had become interested in the natural health movement.
	That came about really from an experience that I had with my biological mother.
	I had gotten a call that she was in the hospital.
	She had walked in of her own accord.
	Thought she had an infection.
	Within just a matter of days, they had her drugged up on morphine and depriving her of any nutrition or liquids and were basically forcing her into renal failure.
	By the time I arrived at the hospital there in Portland, Oregon, she was unresponsive, but I stayed there by her side for a week.
	During the course of that, I just really didn't know what was going on.
	You trust these people around you are making good decisions with the lives of the people that you love.
	They do everything a certain way.
	Anyway, I got into a discussion with her doctor and we were talking about nutrition because they obviously weren't giving her any nutrition.
	Basically, they were saying that she's going to die of cancer, so I left that part out.
	We got in a discussion, and he said, look, I'm a medical doctor.
	I eat Twinkies, and I drink Coca-Cola.
	I know nothing about nutrition.
	That sort of just kind of seared in my mind, and I later would learn that medical doctors, just during their training, would receive maybe 45 minutes of nutritional training in and of itself.
	I thought, wow, this is Our lives and our health are dependent first upon that.
	It's not all this emergency medical care that we need later.
	I mean, that's because of the absence of nutrition.
	So how can a medical doctor really practice and practice competently without that information?
	So I sort of went on my own journey.
	But that would, in 2007, sort of culminated in 2007 when we started the company project Green Life.
	We began to make products available that you couldn't get everywhere else.
	They were alternative health-related products.
	One of those was MMS. We had heard about MMS. Of course, your listeners probably They all probably heard of MMS, so there's no real reason to get into that.
	If you want, I can.
	No, you should give a short explanation, because given that we go on to YouTube and the whole world will have access to this, and hopefully as your case gets more publicized, because as a result of this interview, it's very likely that you'll get more publicity, and so let's give an introduction to what Jim Humble and MMS, if you don't mind.
	Sure.
	So Jim, a miner and a metallurgist, is down in South America with a team of individuals.
	His team comes down with malaria.
	They're 80 miles from any health.
	They're sort of incapacitated.
	They can't move out.
	They can't hike out.
	And so Jim had brought along with him a bottle of Water purification.
	I don't know if it was the stabilized oxygen labeled under that or not, but it was a water purification product that was essentially sodium chloride solution, which is what M&S is.
	He thought, well, if it purifies water and we're all 60-70% water, why not?
	You put it in the water and you drink it, so let's try that.
	He gave that to his folks that were with him.
	Within a few hours, they're good to go.
	They're hiking out.
	I'm giving you the very fast story here, but Jim spends the next several years asking the question, what the heck just happened here?
	We all know that malaria is killing upwards of a million people every year.
	If it's really this simple, what are we doing?
	He wanted to find out what the mechanism of that was, so he began to do his own studies, eventually ended up in Africa, working with some doctors there, with villages there, and found that it was pretty much 100% cure rate, we'll say that, with malaria, which is a protozoa in the blood.
	We should talk a little bit about sodium chloride, which is basically When you mix it with an acid, you're going to get what's called the chloride matrix.
	Depending on the acid and the time and the heat, there are so many different variables, but you'll end up with chlorine dioxide in some instances.
	The chloride matrix and the chlorine dioxide, these are powerful disinfectants, but I want to say that they're not the same thing as chlorine bleach.
	They don't do their job with the chlorine.
	They do it with the oxygen.
	In fact, in the simplest terms, you can look at sodium chloride as sodium chloride with two oxygen molecules.
	That's stuff that you breathe all the time.
	If you just look at what it is, it's a sodium, a chloride, and two oxygens.
	It has actually less oxidative potential than hydrogen peroxide or even ozone, which are also used therapeutically in the world.
	You'll notice there's a lot of anti-MMS propaganda.
	It's very controversial, which it really doesn't need to be.
	But we find out later in the story, in 2013 actually, after our arrests, and I'm really skipping ahead, that there's a reason for that.
	We find that the UK actually passed orphan drug status for sodium chloride, In the treatment of ALS and that there were third stage clinicals going on for MS, Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.
	And then you can go and you can look at numerous patents based on clinicals for its use in HIV, also in cancer and different infectious diseases and so forth.
	So we're beginning to see now that obviously the pharmaceuticals have been working on this for some time and Which provides a motive for getting it out of the public, making it harder to acquire and so forth.
	So to go backwards now, so Jim, when he had discovered what was the power of sodium chloride solution activated or acidified, as we would say, he really wanted to share that with the world rather than go through all the regular We all know what's the patent office, but a great place for the government to figure out what it wants to suppress next.
	What's the whole medical establishment, but another way to figure out how to get the newest innovation in medicine suppressed.
	Basically, Jim said, we're going to write a book, and we're going to put it out there, and if I die at any time, this copyright is free to go.
	We're going to spread this around the world.
	That was a great decision by Jim.
	It started what has become a grassroots movement.
	MMS is in every country.
	The little video that we released in December had been seen in 163 countries in 30 days.
	There's people all over the world using MMS. Now, the U.S. has been attacking it for quite some time.
	We're the big target, I guess, right now.
	If they can set some precedence, that's what they want to do, I believe.
	Okay, well, that's actually a very good summation of Jim Humble, and thank you for that, because I think, you know, you might have even said it better than he did initially, because you just encapsulated it quite well.
	But let me say, let me find out from you, because you kind of skipped ahead, and I wonder...
	If you can address how you got into the health...
	I mean, we kind of got the background in terms of your mother and all of that, and actually didn't hear the end of the story where you were able to help her or not, which I would be curious.
	But also, you got into the health profession, it appears.
	And then, what are your...
	Did you, I don't know, go to school for this kind of thing, or did you just become a...
	Could you clarify what your role is in that way?
	Sure.
	No, I don't have any degrees or anything like that.
	I just had a genuine interest, and there were things that sort of walked me towards that in my life.
	For example, when I was younger, I worked at a clinic, a medical clinic in the medical records department, and it didn't take long for me to see that there was a racket going on.
	I'm pulling the same person's chart every week, and they're coming in regularly, and I'm like, Does anyone ever get well around here?
	Does anyone get anything fixed?
	I began to see how the system was really running, the scam.
	It's such a huge industry.
	You began to piece together.
	We worked with a company when we had a software company and began to learn about the intricacies of the FDA. For example, this company I had a product that was saving lives.
	They go to the FDA. They say, hey, look at all of our data.
	And they say, well, we'll never approve that.
	And I think they also said, oh, they had numerous things that it addressed.
	And they said, well, you can't even do that.
	You can only make one label claim for a license.
	So it was like $500 million to get a license to sell something as a quote, quote, I just began to learn how that whole thing went down.
	To answer your question about my mom, she did pass, sadly, and that did leave a mark.
	I think that really put me in a position where I felt like, wow, when I came across the Jim Humble information, I felt like I can do this stuff in tech which is interesting and fun and keeps your brain busy but there's genuine suffering in the world and I would rather contribute to something that's helping people.
	I saw my mom on a hospital bed who every once in a while would come to because she was having You know, these hallucinogenic experiences because of all the drugs they had on her.
	The nurses would come in and they'd push her down and they'd pump her full of more stuff.
	I'm trying to process this because this doesn't make sense.
	She's ripping the stuff out and she wants to go home.
	I'm like, well, here's a woman who wants to go home and you guys are forcing her here to take drugs while you put her in renal failure.
	That just really set a big heavy burden on me.
	No major background or education in health, just a genuine interest in learning about it because it really strikes a chord with me.
	The pharmaceutical industry is harmful.
	You take a look at Vioxx killed 60,000 people.
	I don't believe anybody was prosecuted for 37 years for selling a drug and fixing the trial information and all of that stuff.
	You know, anyway.
	Okay, okay.
	So, well, yeah, that's, you know, that's really very compelling.
	And so you got into what exactly?
	I mean, your websites, were you a middleman?
	What is the sort of relationship?
	And this gets into why you're even being charged.
	Sure, so...
	Well, we offered a lot of products where we got them straight from the manufacturer.
	And so Project Green Life was kind of born on this idea that originally started with something that we had learned along the way that, wow, every cell in the human body regenerates after so many years.
	What would happen if we were giving our body just the optimal in terms of cell food and good environment and things like that?
	What could happen?
	I mean, could we reverse...
	A lot of conditions and aging and things like that.
	We were looking for products in our own life that we wanted to have and this was a great place to share it through Project Greenlight.
	We became, I guess you would say, a middleman because we would find the manufacturers that had those great products and we would put them on the side and they would be stuff that you wouldn't find everywhere.
	But now it's a lot more prevalent, a lot of these products.
	When we came across Jim's story, That really became the flagship product because it went off like a wildfire.
	I remember getting phone calls within the first couple months, and I tell this story a lot because it really, really just kind of set with me.
	We got a phone call from a gentleman who said, hey, my wife had hundreds of little tumors in her lungs.
	We just got home from the doctor, and there's not a single tumor.
	And all we did different was we put her on MMS for the last six weeks.
	I'm like, wow, that's great.
	And then I remember a lady called and said she wanted 100 bottles of the product.
	This was like the very first huge order.
	And I was like, what would you ever want 100 bottles for?
	I mean, one bottle last year.
	And she said, actually, I operate a clinic.
	And I recently had breast cancer.
	And nothing in our clinic, in our practice, worked.
	Except MMS. She wanted to integrate that into her clinic.
	As time went by, we developed this thing around the office that we called ringing the bell because people would call every day with a story for every kind of fourth stage cancer you could imagine.
	We even got calls on Thanksgiving Day from medical doctors who wanted to report that their customer had Not their customer, their client or their patient, I'm sorry, had been completely healed using MMS, fourth-stage colon cancer.
	That was a person with fourth-stage colon cancer.
	But we would get people call every week.
	They would say, you know, I had hepatitis for 20 years.
	I just got home from the doctor.
	Zero detectable virus load.
	And so I kind of get a little off topic from your question there, but I wanted you to know that we got it at the sale of MMS. We actually went to different folks to manufacture it for us.
	We wanted to have something that was super high quality because everybody was making it.
	You just didn't know who was making it, how and where.
	You could make it in your bathtub.
	We went to a nutraceutical company.
	Eventually, we had another supplement company, but we went to a really high-grade nutraceutical company.
	Out of Seattle that began to manufacture for us.
	Our product was called MMS Professional.
	It was a professional grade, manufactured by a nutraceutical company.
	They did everything GMP compliant, put the bottles in the safe for every lot number.
	They all had their lots and everything.
	This was really the first bout we ever did into manufacturing anything.
	We weren't manufacturing ourselves, but we were kind of new to that whole thing because we were just selling other people's products at the time.
	That eventually became really problematic to get products in the United States, a lot of red tape, because apparently the largest company, Brentag, that was selling sodium fluoride, was getting a lot of pressure, maybe from the government.
	We don't know.
	But then we found out, wow, we can get it right across the border from where we're at in Washington.
	Right across the border, at the same price, from somebody who actually sells MMS but also sells chemical supplies, sodium chloride for chlorine dioxide production and so forth, in large quantities, and they had no problem, and so they would send it to us.
	So that would become sort of later the basis for the smuggling charge that they would charge us for, which makes up 20 of the 37 years.
	Now, you would think, smuggling, what does that mean?
	Did you put some sodium chloride in your back pocket and take it across the border without declaring it?
	What does that mean, smuggling?
	Because it sounds pretty nefarious.
	But at the end of the day, what they say is, well, and we didn't find this out until two years into the case, because the government wasn't really disclosing its trial strategy.
	We're like, we still, to this day, kind of like, well, how could we have been smuggling?
	So what we found is that because What they say is, well, if you have a product, and we say sodium chloride solution, it's a disinfectant.
	It's a water purifier.
	It kills pathogens.
	Yeast, mold, fungus, virus, bacteria, and protozoa.
	That's what it does.
	It doesn't alter the way the body works, and sodium chloride itself is not You're not deficient in it, so you can't really classify it as a supplement.
	However, its metabolites reduce into what would be considered supplements.
	It's just this water purifier.
	You and I, a large portion of this is water.
	We can purify our water inside the body, outside the body.
	People bought it for all kinds of uses, not just to use therapeutically.
	That just happened to be the thing that everybody talked about.
	When they raided our home, for example, they took MMS out of our bathroom, out of our kitchen, out of our pantry.
	They were taking it out of everywhere because we used it everywhere.
	We used it for all kinds of things.
	The list for its uses are a plethora that have nothing to do with getting rid of malaria or targeting some sort of malady.
	Where are we?
	You started doing business with this company in Canada which led to a smuggling charge.
	I'm still not clear on what happened there.
	How did you do business with them, first of all, and then how did it become a smuggling charge?
	Sure.
	Let's talk about the indictment and what it is because you'll understand how the smuggling fits in.
	It's a six-count indictment.
	And what they were able to do were to acquire four charges of the introduction of a misbranded drug into interstate commerce, and those are counts two through five.
	That's sort of what everything focuses around.
	So what they did was, they said, the product that you're selling, because there's therapeutic claims made about it, classifies it as a drug, which means that we've captured it into our regulatory scheme, Of which there are numerous rules and regulations that you would never know about because you're not really a drug manufacturer and it's not your business to know about that.
	Even though you didn't really know, we're still going to hold you accountable for it.
	Those four counts are comprised of three controlled purchases and just a regular purchase that they acquired through a postal seizure.
	What they've done is once they classify it as a drug, they say, You bought this from Canada.
	And you didn't put a tariff code on it that said it was a drug.
	And you were doing that to avoid inspections at the border that would bring the FDA into your business.
	And so by that you're smuggling.
	Okay, but why are you responsible for a tariff code?
	What does that mean?
	Well, that's...
	That's the funny thing about all this.
	When we went to Canada and went to the company that we got the product from, one of the interesting things about that was we never imported anything.
	The guy up there said, for an extra $250, I'll take care of all the paperwork for you.
	We said, we don't know what we're doing.
	Do you know what's involved?
	He said, yeah, I'll take care of all the paperwork.
	I do this all the time.
	So we would just call and we'd order it and it would show up at the manufacturing company and they would bottle it or they would do the mixing and the bottling and we would never see anything that transpired between that.
	So of course we would not know that you would put a tariff code on it that would classify it as a drug ingredient.
	We would never know that.
	I mean we're buying a water purification product that people use for water purification and other things.
	So that's kind of how they weasel in that charge.
	The objective of this, at the end of the day, is for them to stack as many charges as they think they can get a grand jury to bite off on, because that gives them leverage, which they have used in this case.
	So they've completely overcharged.
	They went against four defendants, including my wife and two very good friends.
	What they do is they overcharge.
	And then they go in and try to get you to do a plea agreement so that you don't have to necessarily face 37 years of trial because we all know trials, you know, it's a crapshoot.
	You never know what you're going to get, right?
	You know, especially if the government signed you, your attorneys, who don't do anything for two years and don't really know anything about the case, have never tried an FDA regulatory type case, You know, the house has all the cards, it's all stacked against you, and they've frightened you to death.
	I mean, they've come with guns, they've broke down your doors, they've stolen your things, you know, it's very...
	Okay, and I do want to get into that.
	I mean, that did happen to you, right?
	I should say they didn't break down any doors.
	I was sort of...
	All right.
	But I want to hear the specifics.
	But before we do that, actually...
	Okay.
	I think we're going live again here.
	And it should be one second.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So we're back, everyone.
	And yeah.
	Okay.
	Good.
	Okay, so the question I had asked was how they were able to classify something that's not a drug as a drug.
	Because I don't understand, you know, I mean, how does it get classified as a drug?
	So yeah, let me actually show you that.
	It's 21USC331, and if you give me one moment, I want to make sure that that's right, that Because I think this is really important for everyone to understand.
	This is how the government does what they do in terms of the FDA. And it's...
	One second.
	It's actually under definitions.
	So it's 3-2-1.
	So 21 U.S.C. 3-2-1.
	And I'm bringing that up now.
	I think if I scroll down here to G. Section G, I believe it is.
	Sorry, I have a There's four definitions of a drug here.
	I'll just go through them.
	Articles recognized in the official United States Pharmacopoeia.
	That would be something that we all know is a drug.
	You go to the pharmacy and you get it.
	It's been classified as a drug.
	We know that sodium chloride hasn't been classified as a drug.
	However, we know that it seems to be on its way, at least under certain designated names.
	The second definition is articles intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease in man or other animals.
	I particularly like the other animals since we're all animals, right?
	This is actually really old law, so it was really interesting that they word it that way.
	But articles intended for use in the diagnosis.
	Now, you have to be really good at moving around the US code in order to actually get what this really means, because they don't tell you right here how they determine whether or not It's intended for use.
	Here, you have to go somewhere else to find out that intent is measured by things that you might have said, or you did, or your marketing materials, etc.
	The next definition is articles other than food, which would include a supplement, intended to affect the structure or function of the body of man or other animals.
	The fourth one is articles intended for use as a component of any article specified in the above.
	Here's what happened.
	People were taking sodium chloride and they were activating it with citric acid to create chlorine dioxide.
	Chlorine dioxide never enters into interstate commerce.
	Technically, the federal government has no jurisdiction over it because the article that people are using When they're using it therapeutically, that article that they're using doesn't enter in interstate commerce.
	So there's a jurisdictional issue there for starters, but they don't care.
	They just walk right over that.
	So what they say is, yeah, but like in D, articles intended for use as a component.
	So they say, well, sodium chloride is obviously a component of that end product that people are making.
	Well, we say, no, it's not a component because there is no sodium chloride in the end product.
	And they go, well, yeah, but, you know, et cetera, so on.
	So really, what it comes down is, if they think that you're going to use, the intent of it, is to use it as a drug, well, that's how they capture it.
	And the second it becomes a drug, they have all these regulations about them.
	Because here's what the charge is, and catch the verbiage.
	It's the introduction into interstate commerce, of a drug that was misbranded.
	Guess what?
	If it wasn't misbranded, I could have introduced into interstate commerce a drug.
	I could have had every intent that it be used as a drug in all times, in all occasions.
	But there's this other element that was misbranded.
	So what you've got to do is you've got to go to a whole other place in the code and you've got to find out, well, what does misbranded mean?
	And it's long.
	It's really long.
	And it's vague.
	It's really vague.
	So that's what they've done here.
	They've said, okay, it's a drug because people are using it therapeutically.
	And because people are using it therapeutically and it's a drug, we get to look at it from whether or not it's misbranded and it fits all of this, that, and the other thing.
	For example, they say it was misbranded because it wasn't produced, it wasn't manufactured in a facility that was registered with the Secretary of Health As a drug manufacturer.
	That's not technically what the law says.
	Well, our facility that manufactured was registered with the Secretary of Health, but they were registered as a nutraceutical company.
	So they used these laws.
	They're so twisted.
	They're so vague.
	They're just so broad.
	Anyway, I hope that answers the question on how it becomes a drug.
	It becomes a drug by word games.
	Okay, well, okay, but it does, I mean, you know, first of all, do you have a lawyer?
	I consult with attorneys, but I'm not represented.
	Really?
	Well, then when you go to the court, how will you be, you know, will you represent yourself?
	I don't know yet, and if I did, I wouldn't say.
	All right.
	Well, I mean, because we could also use...
	I mean, for purposes of this video, we could also, you know, invite any lawyers that are watching this to contact you, right?
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So we'll do that.
	And that...
	His contact information, by the way, is available...
	I think in more than one place but it's definitely on this article of mine which said help fight the FDA and support Daniel Smith and I also make a statement there by the way that myself and Bill Ryan have both used We used MMS. Actually, that's how we stumbled on it, and this is a personal disclosure and not a medical recommendation, and I'm not qualified to recommend anything medically here.
	But I can give you an anecdotal story about MMS because the way we stumbled on it, just to make a quick aside here, And at the same time, to put his contact information on the screen here, so people watching this can actually even not have to go to my website if they're not so inclined.
	But we'll see the contact information here on the screen.
	But at any rate, the reason we stumbled on MMS is because we had both gone to Russia many years ago to interview Bariska, And our Buriska interview, the boy who came from Mars, so to speak, that's a very well-known story at this point.
	And our video is actually the most popular Camelot video ever, is the Buriska interview, with millions and millions of hits.
	The thing is that we came back from Russia, we were in Switzerland, and we both came back with some kind of virus that we caught when we were in Russia.
	I don't know if it was because...
	Russia was such a sort of a foreign country to our, you know, physicality or what it was.
	But we couldn't shake this kind of flu at the time that we got from there.
	We just couldn't get rid of it.
	And we had it for a couple weeks.
	So we, you know, some friend of ours heard that we were sick, etc.
	And he said, Oh, well, you should try.
	You know, MMS, I have some, or I know where you can get it, and it's very, very cheap, which I have to say it's dirt cheap and lasts forever.
	So this is what you do.
	So we ordered some right away.
	We got it very shortly, and we both took, you know, a drop with the way you do it in the citric acid kind of thing, where you combine it.
	And basically we're healed like within a day or two of something that we had for two weeks and couldn't shake.
	And so that's basically what happened.
	We, you know, after that have done several interviews with Jim Humble now.
	And so that's our story.
	So to get back to this, it is wild and crazy.
	We have also done the same thing you have.
	We have gotten people writing to us and contacting us and saying that they had these MMS experiences in which they were cured of all kinds of incurable illnesses.
	One guy in particular who actually I think maybe kind of like you.
	He distributed, because I don't know the technical terms of it.
	But at any rate, he was a cameraman who had some kind of incredibly destabilizing arthritis type of thing.
	And he was like this big guy.
	And he has this little newborn daughter that he couldn't pick up his own child because he was It was so, you know, out of sorts because of it.
	And then he started taking MMS and it cured him.
	And then he could pick up his daughter.
	And so he became a, you know, salesperson for it or whatever.
	And he lives in Europe.
	He's not here in the States.
	But anyway, that was very impressive and, you know, an incredible story.
	So...
	We had our experience.
	We also had people come to us with their stories.
	So now, in terms of these sort of charges, can you talk about, you know, given this sort of labyrinthian way they go about charging you...
	Okay, something weird just happened.
	Okay.
	Okay, we've now been completely knocked...
	I've been...
	I guess he...
	Daniel was knocked off.
	So hold on one minute here.
	Hi, Daniel, are you back?
	Yep, I'm back.
	Sorry.
	So you just got knocked off.
	I'm not sure what went on there.
	But we're back.
	Okay, great.
	So go ahead.
	One second, Carrie.
	Can I just...
	One second.
	I think I know what might have happened.
	I just need to just say something.
	Sure.
	Hang on.
	Somebody in the other room was replacing printer cartridges, and it sends a message to my computer, and that's when we got bumped.
	Okay, fine.
	Okay, well, and hold on.
	We're, I mean, people are, somebody's trying to contact us.
	Okay, well, that's fine.
	All right, so we've got people in the chat now.
	So at some point, if you do have questions in the chat, you can put them in all caps and we'll try to get to them.
	Okay, so to get back to the story, so what are the, are there any other charges that we haven't mentioned against you?
	And could you explain them?
	Yes.
	We talked about 2, 3, 4, and 5, the introduction into interstate commerce, a drug that was misbranded.
	Those would typically be misdemeanors, each with a year max penalty, but they raised it to felony status by adding a clause from another part of the U.S. Code.
	A typical person would never be able to foresee this.
	They say that you did it with an intent to defraud and mislead.
	And it took us forever to figure out who they thought we were defrauding and misleading, but we think the case theory is generally that we were defrauding the government.
	So that's the two, three, four, and five.
	And then count six was the smuggling charge.
	And so the reason why I do those first is because the first charge is conspiracy.
	Anytime they've got more than one defendant involved in something, they get to use this really loosey-goosey conspiracy statute.
	It says, well, you conspired to introduce into interstate commerce this drug that was misbranded, and you conspired to smuggle.
	On top of that, you conspired to defraud the FDA. Technically, if you look at the case law on it, it means that we have to have I'm sorry,
	I haven't been into this part of it here for a few weeks, but basically to defraud the FDA would mean to disrupt their Their right to police this stuff in the public and so forth.
	So that's what comprises the indictment, the six counts.
	Now, pre-indictment, before there was ever a grand jury, the prosecution in this case, and you'll learn more about the prosecutorial abuse if we have time, but one of the first things it was is that they began threatening me through my attorney that if Mr.
	Smith does not accept a pre-indictment If you don't say you're guilty of a felony, before we go to a grand jury to see if there's even probable cause to go to trial to see if you're actually guilty, if you don't just accept the fact that you're guilty right now, we're going to string you up for postal fraud, wire fraud, and we're pretty sure some taxes.
	That was the threat that came from the Department of Justice.
	If we didn't comply with their Their threat, duress, and coercion to sort of just, you know, offer to be guilty so they wouldn't have to do any hard work.
	So that's the kind of animals that we're dealing with.
	Incredible.
	Okay, so, but now, they did break into your house, though, at some point.
	Is that right?
	Yeah, so there were two raids that were a year apart.
	The first one was in 2010 when they came to just the fulfillment center.
	It wasn't our company.
	It was a third party.
	They were there for three days.
	They did a plant map.
	They were interrogating, intimidating these poor people that work for another company that are very good friends, very wonderful people.
	They just said, wow, this experience was just too much.
	I don't think we want to do this anymore for your company.
	They were very good and very understanding, but the FDA really put them through the ringer.
	For three days, they're there.
	I don't know if you know what a plant map is, but they go through and they map out where everything is in the warehouse, every bottle.
	They take pictures of every label, every page of every book.
	Why?
	Because they don't have warrants.
	They can't take anything.
	They're just there on some administration.
	They say, look, we're going to do this the easy way or the hard way.
	You're going to let us in there because we know you have supplements and we're the boss of supplements.
	Or we can go make this really difficult on you.
	So they finally sort of gave in, let them in.
	They were there for three days.
	But here's the interesting thing about that.
	They said, we want all of your customer records, all your records on Project Green Life.
	Including customer lists, everyone you've ever shipped to, etc., so on.
	Wow.
	And the fulfillment center said, they called their attorney and said, no, we're not going to do it.
	And this really ticked off the government.
	And it would be probably about a week later that somebody would break into the vacant business next door.
	They would break into that.
	They would go to the back of it and they would drill a hole in the wall in the perfect place where they could just get right through the sheetrock of the fulfillment center with no hassles, and they came in through that hole.
	They came in out of this entire warehouse of valuable belongings, things that are being shipped for various companies, including our own.
	The only thing they steal Are these 486 ancient computers that nobody would want, that have absolutely no value to anyone, but possibly somebody who wants the information on them.
	And so those computers disappeared.
	So that was the first raid in 2010.
	Just out of curiosity, were your lists of people who got the product on those computers or not?
	Yes.
	So sad to say they got that list.
	Sure, yeah.
	Okay.
	So, well, you know, we can't say that we don't know who they is, but somebody got that information.
	So we...
	That was 2010.
	At that time, I called my attorney, great attorney, Nancy Lord.
	If you want to hear a wonderful closing argument in the Roger Sless trial in New Mexico in the late 90s, there's an article called, just type in Nancy Lord, gift of speech.
	It'll come up, and you'll hear her closing arguments, and she just lambasts the FDA in that case.
	That case was so wonderful.
	Roger Sless was acquitted.
	And after the trial, which was long and grueling, where they essentially put the FDA on trial before it was over with, but that jury, four members of the jury, actually went to dinner with the defendant after the case was over.
	And so it was a great win.
	And Nancy Lord was who I called.
	And Nancy, she said, I said, you know, they're at the Fulfillment Center.
	I don't know what's going on.
	She says, let me look into it.
	Maybe you're out of control.
	It's just something you need to fix on your website or whatever.
	She calls and they don't get right back, but they eventually do get back.
	What gets back to me is, look, they don't like MMS. It's not illegal to sell.
	They just don't like it.
	She says to me, look, you should do a voluntary recall because if you don't, these people will make your life miserable.
	You do not want them in your life by any stretch of the imagination.
	Just get out of it and move on.
	At that point, I was a different person then.
	Of course, I had a family, and it was a very rattling experience.
	We proceeded within 24 hours to do a quote-unquote voluntary recall.
	We said it's not because we believe the FDA is correct in its assertion, but this is basically what we've been asked to do.
	We knew it was going to tank the company.
	Because all those people could potentially come back and say, well, we'd love a refund.
	Which many people did, and it was very difficult, but what we did was we just slowly were paying people back the best that we could.
	I don't think we got to everyone before things really fell apart.
	But what was the most striking was that we got email after email of people that were so angry.
	People that were angry at us.
	Because we'd kowtow to the FDA. But people would say, the FDA can have my MMS, and they'd pry it from my cold, dead hands.
	I mean, I got actual, literal emails like that.
	And so it was very evident that people were not buying the line, the FDA's propaganda, which was just then beginning to publish, and the trolls were coming out.
	So we contacted, this is part of the story, we contacted We sort of came in contact with an organization down in Texas called the Pro Advocate Group.
	And they said, look, you have a constitutional exemption to operate as a private association.
	Can you say that again?
	I'm sorry?
	You have a constitutional provision to...
	Go ahead.
	You have a constitutional exemption under the First Amendment right of association because of what they call the privacy penumbras of the different amendments.
	They all have different privacy aspects to them, which is a great case that explains that.
	You have a constitutional exemption from federal oversight in a private association so long as what you're doing does not rise to the level of being a substantive evil that Congress has a right to I said, well, what exactly does that mean?
	Can you show me some case law?
	Sure enough, they showed me tons and tons of case law.
	I've got a huge binder sitting over here, case after case, that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled on.
	These are all cases from the 60s and 70s, where they're basically saying, look, you have a constitutional exemption in a private association, That goes beyond free speech and petitioning the government.
	It even goes into commercial things.
	Very complex, but I tried to get my head around it best I could, and I said, well, do you have anyone else doing this?
	Sure enough, he's got hundreds of even practitioners who gave up their license and were actually operating without licenses in private associations.
	One of the One of the things that he said was, look, you know, you look at the dry counties down here in Texas.
	We have numerous counties that are still dry from the Prohibition era.
	And you go, wow, I didn't know that.
	I suppose if you live in Texas, you probably do.
	But what happens in those counties is you go into a private club and you sign a contract and now they can sell you alcohol.
	So it's under the First and Fourteenth Amendments.
	And so I said, well, this all sounds really good.
	Do you have anybody that's been in a circumstance like my own that was visited by the FDA and they went ahead and went private?
	Do you have anything like that?
	He said, yeah, talk to Dr.
	Overman of Precision Herbs.
	I called Dr.
	Overman and he's since passed on.
	I talked to him at great length and some of his staff.
	Talked about how the FDA did the same thing there.
	They had been there for 10 days.
	They brandished their guns.
	I didn't tell you that in our situation, they had raided...
	I think I skipped part of the story, actually.
	No, okay, so here's what happened.
	I'm sorry, I just blanked out for a second.
	So he said that they had been there for 10 days.
	They had done the same thing, the plant maps, the intimidation, the interrogation, saying they were going to press criminal charges and they were coming back.
	And he gets a hold of the pro-advocate group and says, you know, what do I do?
	And the pro-advocate group helps reorganize them as a private association, gives them seven letters to send the FDA, and lo and behold, he sends those seven letters out and he never hears from the FDA again.
	And I said, wow, that's pretty amazing.
	And basically what the last letter says is, look, Here's all the case law.
	Here's our legal position.
	This is what we're going to do unless you have a legal ballot objection.
	Please let us know.
	We gave them ten days, and obviously if they needed more time, we would give it to them.
	But they're famous for not answering any letters that we had written before, so we figured we've got to put a time limit on it.
	I talked to another company.
	Who had gone private, who sold MMS, who did the same thing, who sent the FDA the letters, and they never heard from them.
	So I thought, okay, this is good.
	I'm going to give this a try.
	I'm going to reorganize the private association.
	I'm going to send the FDA these letters, and if they don't object, then I'm going to go back into the business as a private association.
	And so sure enough, 10 days went by after they received it and never heard from them.
	So within a short time, we were Back up and going again, and it wouldn't be for a whole other year when the government just comes in like a flood.
	There's probably 45 agents from all around the United States that were brought in, and they raided the fulfillment company, the bottling company, and they raided our home all at the same time.
	They came in, they took all of the product, the equipment, They raided the bank accounts.
	Like I said, they were taking MMS out of our pantry.
	They were like these controlled substances and things.
	It was very, very scary.
	In fact, Karis was diagnosed with PTSD shortly after the event.
	She was home alone when it happened.
	I was in New Mexico taking my daughter to a yoga camp that she likes to go to every summer when it all happened.
	Kara, she had to actually beg the police to stand down on our dog, which is an Australian Shepherd, just an absolute lover boy, but he was freaked out by these guys.
	It was a very rattling experience.
	Incredible.
	That's when we realized that our federal government, in particular the FDA, this whole year, they could have answered this letter, But for the whole year, what they did instead was they let us believe, in the name of the interest of public health, right?
	They let us continue to sell this thing that they said was horrible and hurting people, right?
	They let us go ahead and sell that for a whole other year.
	But in the meanwhile, they're putting GPS tracking devices on our car.
	They're going through our garbage.
	They're doing these trash sorts.
	So we put our garbage out on the street and they would come and get it.
	And they'd dump it out and they'd sort through it and they'd get all this stuff that they would use forever.
	How do you know that they did that?
	Oh, because I have pictures of it all in the discovery.
	And I have the reports, the discovery reports of the agents that did it.
	Okay.
	So they put warrantless GPS tracking devices on the car.
	They're searching our garbage.
	They're coming up to our house.
	They're taking photos.
	In fact, we saw them come take photos once, but we didn't know who they were.
	We thought that was the strangest thing ever, but we never would have thought.
	So when I go outside, they run off.
	They run down the street.
	I'm like, what am I going to do?
	I'm going to run and tackle them because they took a picture through my window?
	But this is the kind of people these are.
	They're like, we're on a covert mission to destroy you, and we don't want you to know about it.
	Even though you wrote us and asked if we had any objection, And we could have sent you a response, but we don't want to do that.
	We've got better, funner things to do.
	So, interestingly enough, it would not be for almost two years after that raid before they would bring an indictment.
	During that period of time, there were at least two different grand juries convened.
	And each time they brought the witnesses in, they wouldn't get the indictment they were looking for.
	So finally, the last time, which was in January 2013, they said, we're just going to bring in one witness.
	It's going to be the government witness.
	They're going to present everything in hearsay fashion.
	They're going to allude to evidence that's sitting on a laptop here in the event that somebody wants to actually look at it.
	And they're going to start off with really super prejudicial information that they know is inadmissible, they later would admit would be inadmissible at trial, but they want to prejudice the jury so badly from the beginning, saying that people died using this product, shocked them to death.
	So that's how they would obtain the indictment.
	And the second they would release it, they would contact the media and they would say, we've got a snake oil salesman who's selling bleach as a cure-all.
	That would be the thing that would go viral.
	Within 15,000 hits, you could put in that article at that time and find that everybody had regurgitated of the whole mainstream media.
	It was on the TV everywhere.
	We were down in Ashland at the time.
	They came and arrested us there one early morning.
	We had moved down to Ashland because Karis could no longer homeschool because of the stress.
	We wanted to put Savvy to good school, so there was a great Waldorf down there.
	We moved down there, and we're getting ready for school one morning, 7 in the morning, and bam, bam, bam.
	Here they are.
	They're a front door.
	They come in.
	They ask who we are.
	They throw the cuffs on us right in front of our eight-year-old daughter, who was seriously freaked out, and who wouldn't be, that these people would come into their house with guns, And take, you know, mom and dad away.
	Wow.
	It's just amazing.
	Very emotional.
	I mean, they could have called us and said, hey, we've got an indictment.
	We need you to come on down and, you know, to the marshal's office, you know, go through arraignments.
	They didn't need to do that.
	They could have called, you know, my attorney and she would have called me and said, look, this is what you need to do or they're going to come and arrest you or something to that effect.
	No, they need this show that they do.
	It's just part of their thing.
	So they would hold us in jail for a whole month.
	Savvy wouldn't see her mom and dad for a whole month.
	You're kidding.
	They held you in jail?
	Yeah, because they'd slowly transport us from place to place until they got us back to Spokane, Washington, where they would take us before...
	A magistrate for our arraignment.
	Well, before that time, we were able to file about 12 motions into the court before there was even an arraignment.
	Motions for dismissal, motions for discovery, things like that.
	As it would turn out, we would get to the arraignment, and lo and behold, the chief judge who was sitting on our case is sitting in the back of the gallery, I'm watching as the magistrate proceeds over to the arraignment.
	They do the little head nods.
	You can tell there's eye contact.
	She actually refers to the chief judge and looks at her.
	Basically, what I'm told is that if they want to hold me in pretrial detention, which if it would have happened, I'd still be in jail for two years now waiting for trial.
	Because they say you're a flight risk because we had traveled to Ecuador and Dominican Republic and Mexico and things like that so we knew how to get around so we were flight risks.
	What would happen was they had a federal defender there who said look I can't represent you because somebody from our office is already involved with somebody in this case but we highly recommend that you get an attorney For your pretrial detention hearing.
	She was looking at me with that look that says, look, if you don't have an attorney, you're probably going back to jail.
	I was very clear and I said, look, we've got motions before the court and I don't want to prejudice any of those motions by taking an attorney.
	She said, absolutely, they will not prejudice your motions.
	Karis is over on the other side of the table asking the exact same questions because she had the same motions filed.
	Absolutely not.
	They won't be prejudiced.
	And so she goes up there and she says, okay, Your Honor, Mr.
	Smith, he wants to proceed pro se, but he's willing to take an attorney for the pre-trial detention hearing, because I agree to that.
	And the magistrate changes her words really quick on the record.
	I got the recording.
	Changes her words to say, you mean for now?
	For now?
	And she says, yeah, for now.
	And bam.
	As soon as that happened, I had taken an attorney, and the chief judge would then proceed to take all of the motions and just sweep them off the table using a local rule that says, the moment you take an attorney, you cannot act or say anything of your own accord.
	And so she just threw them all off the table, even though the government had answered all of them.
	And I had replied, she just wiped them off the table.
	That's a Sixth Amendment violation.
	The right to personally defend is a Sixth Amendment right, well established under Ferretta, a case.
	That began the ridiculous nature with which the prosecution and the courts have dealt with this case for the last two years.
	We would later find out and I hope maybe to introduce you to a gentleman who was aware of and could be a great whistleblower on your show about the very convoluted, very complex securitization that goes into these cases.
	I don't know if you know anything about that.
	Have you heard anything about that?
	I don't know.
	What is securitization?
	Okay.
	So these cases...
	So look at it this way.
	You've got a grand jury who returns something called a true bill.
	What's a bill if somebody isn't going to pay?
	And what's on the indictment or the true bill are charges.
	What are charges if somebody's not going to pay?
	They take it and they deliver it in bonk, which is to the bench, which is in bonk, or the bank, the Latin for the bank.
	The clerk enters those into what's called the court registry investment system.
	They know that these charges usually end up 97% of the time.
	It's a betting game, but when you win 97% of the time, you can do some pretty good betting.
	They basically began to securitize these charges because they know that they're going to have somebody they're going to hold for surety On these bonds that they're going to underwrite, and in my case, it's like 37 years, right?
	So, you know, they're going to start creating bonds, and they're going to be sold on the market, and big Fortune 500 companies are going to invest in them, these Fidelity funds.
	So, I know a gentleman who was able to acquire the background information on our case, and at one point in time, it was worth $68 million to the government.
	It had nothing to do with MMS, has nothing to do with justice, has nothing to do with going after criminals.
	It has to do with monetizing cases.
	It's like the derivatives market or the mortgage fraud.
	It's just more money that's floating around to prop up the system to monetize these agencies.
	I've been actually saying an incredible number of times during this conversation.
	Sorry, I didn't hear you.
	I was just too busy.
	Yeah, no, no, I appreciate that.
	I just wanted to say, okay, well, this is wild.
	This is just wild.
	Yeah, and it's very revealing.
	And needless to say that with the Patriot Act and all of this nonsense that's gone on in the United States...
	For the last 10 years, not to mention before that.
	But it's gotten far worse, as you know.
	And your case is just one more step down that very dark road.
	And all the more reason why people listening to this need to hear your side of the story.
	And I'm so glad that we're able to do this here and that we'll be able to put that out there.
	So...
	Actually, we have some questions coming in.
	Our chat is now filled with people that have somehow tapped into the fact that we're actually doing something important here, which is always interesting, you know, because Camelot's always doing something important, everyone.
	It's just when you choose to listen to us and when you don't.
	But at any rate, so...
	What more can you tell us?
	And just so people are clear on this who haven't followed the case, you are actually facing 37 years in prison for selling MMS and for all these other charges, but is it for actually selling it?
	Well, it's for the introduction of interstate commerce, a drug that was misbranded.
	The smuggling and the conspiracy all adds up to 37 years.
	Okay, so does this...
	I wonder if this goes down the road towards also maybe being able to, I don't know, outlaw MMS in the United States?
	Oh, absolutely.
	So what would happen is they would get a ruling on the case...
	Let's say I was railroaded for some reason and didn't get a fair trial for some reason, and I was convicted by a jury of my peers.
	Let's say that happened, then there would be an appeal, and once the appellate court would make a decision, there would be precedent in the Ninth Circuit that It would allow the FDA to probably move on anyone that was selling MMS or sodium chloride solution.
	That's definitely an end goal for the FDA. They want to outlaw anything that they can.
	There's a lot of politics behind that, but I'm sure most of your listeners are savvy enough to get that.
	So yeah, there's an element of it that is, and a lot of people know, that the rest of the world sort of takes their orders from the American, you know, the FDA in terms of what they do in other countries.
	Okay, but isn't, actually, I think it's outlawed now in Britain in some way.
	Do you know about that?
	Well...
	I'm familiar with Canada and the things that have gone on in Spain, like in Canada recently, for example, they've said, well, this MMS is a drug.
	So the second they say it's a drug, it's outlawed.
	But that doesn't mean it's necessarily been proven or anyone's taken it to the mat.
	The problem is that they don't really have the due process necessarily, the alleged due process in a lot of other countries that they have here.
	So they can get away with more outlawing of things easier.
	Okay.
	And as far as...
	At the moment, though, people can actually buy it outside the country and import it.
	You can buy it in the country.
	And in the country.
	Our country.
	The United States at the moment.
	All right.
	Well...
	Okay.
	Now, I want to go to the questions here that are in the chat because people are asking questions, and I hope you don't mind and have the time for those.
	No, please go ahead.
	Okay.
	And then I also want to make sure that, is there any area of this case that we haven't really touched on yet, and do you want to explain what might come to mind in those areas?
	Well, briefly, let me just say the last two years I've been representing myself I knew that when I got released from jail that I wasn't going to get a fair trial with an attorney that had been appointed by the government who had never done an FDA case in this town and didn't have time to look at the 1.4 million emails that were seized as a part of discovery along with a terabyte of data,
	which turned out to be the case.
	The other three co-defendants Who were assigned attorneys?
	Their attorneys didn't do a thing.
	They didn't do anything but file for continuances, which is the M.O. They filed for continuances, continuance, continuance, and then when there aren't any more to be had, they turn to their client and they say, you're going to have to plead guilty because the government's going to be able to prove its case.
	That's because they've been listening to the prosecutor for two years rather than doing any of their own homework, and they've just bought it hook, line, and sinker, And they don't want to go to trial.
	Because you know what?
	They haven't been to trial in a long time.
	Why?
	Because all they do is plead people out.
	Going to trial is so much work.
	And when you've got a caseload of 20 cases, you've got a few appellate cases, you're going to tell your client that they need to settle out or they're going to prison.
	And that's exactly what happened.
	In my case, they knew I wasn't taking a deal.
	We're going to the mat.
	This judge had it in for me from the very beginning.
	And I had no doubt that she's going to sentence me for the full term.
	That's what she does.
	So there's not going to be any lenience for me being a nice guy and just taking the ride.
	So I went pro se.
	I filed upwards to, I don't know, 30, 40 briefs, motions to dismiss, motions for discovery, motions for sanctions, motions for this, everything.
	I called them out on everything.
	Breach of attorney-client privilege, Misconduct in the media, false testimony at prior hearings, just on and on and on.
	Every single time, this judge would sweep a false pleading under the carpet.
	She would misrepresent the facts or the argument in her final order so that she could misapply the law.
	She would say, I have to follow There was no way a pro se is ever going to get a remedy in the court system.
	They're not going to allow it.
	So recently what we've done is, with the support of a great team, some of the best friends ever, put together a campaign StandbyDaniel.com, which has the GoFundMe account to raise funds for bringing in expert witnesses and other things that I can't really get into because they go into defense strategy.
	Also, we've just filed a petition to Congress with some draft articles of impeachment.
	We're asking Congress The House of Representatives, because all impeachments begin in the House.
	Guess how many federal judges have been impeached in American history?
	Oh, I don't know.
	None?
	Fifteen.
	Okay.
	Now, I think there's probably been more than fifteen corrupt judges in American history.
	We hear about them every day, but nobody does anything, you know, dramatic about it.
	How many prosecutors, corrupt prosecutors do you think they've ever...
	It's zero.
	I'll just tell you, it's zero.
	Congress has the power.
	I don't know if you know, but I have it right here, Cindy Powell's new book, License to Lie, which she worked for the Department of Justice.
	It's called Exposing Corruption in the Department of Justice.
	She goes into the gory details, and it turns out that one of the attorneys that's in her book, listed 19 times, Having to do with the misconduct related to the Ted Stevens case is actually one of the U.S. attorneys in my civil forfeiture case having to do with this whole other mess thing.
	So we've got the same characters on our case that are...
	Here's a copy of the book, actually.
	It's a great book.
	Hold on one second, because I was just showing everyone your page.
	So it's called License to what?
	License to Lie by Sidney Powell.
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, Senator Hatch just held this up two days ago in front of the confirmation hearings for the new AG and said, you know, this is what's going on in the DOJ. And this is true, and I believe it is, he says, you have got a lot of work to do.
	And he asked her, will you read this book?
	And of course she says, yes, I will, Senator.
	We've launched a petition, and we're asking Congress, look, this is never going to change.
	It's never going to change until Congress stands up, forms a subcommittee into the Judiciary Committee, and I know that having hope in the system that we have now seems like a bugger of a thing to do because it's so messed up.
	But right now we're asking the House of Representatives to look into the prosecutorial and judicial misconduct in this case and to act some simple reforms.
	I asked the government three times, no less than three times, to testify before the grand jury.
	I said, I will answer all of your questions, all of the prosecution's questions and all of the jury's questions.
	The first time they said, you can testify, show up on this day, and they stood me up.
	The next time, They lie to the grand jury.
	I have it on transcript.
	And they said, oh, it seemed like Mr.
	Smith just wanted to make a statement.
	He didn't really want to submit himself to a question and answer, which is exactly the opposite of what I said.
	They just lie, lie, lie.
	And this is how they can indict a ham sandwich, because there's no adversarial aspect to it.
	They just, boop, roll through it.
	And then they have all this case law that says you can't really set aside an indictment.
	You've got to just see it through a trial that's completely rigged.
	Anyway, what I wanted to tell you, that gets back to your question, what's going on with the case now, is that we're standing up to the prosecutorial and judicial abuse in this.
	We're asking for reform.
	We've got people in Washington, D.C. right now who are meeting with congressmen, have already met with congressmen this week, and are continuing to until the end of the week.
	This is a serious thing.
	It's kind of turned me into a bit of an activist.
	I've actually been on a hunger fast for over 10 days.
	And I'm not going to eat until Congress takes notice of this issue and says, look, we're going to look into it.
	Because I know that if I have to go to trial and be tried by a biased judge with a corrupt prosecution team that's really in this for the money, that's not looking at the facts, who's not going to have a fair trial, they're going to keep all my evidence out, put only the government's evidence in, that very likely there could be a conviction.
	And then I'll be sitting in jail for who knows how long, working on an appeal that will go to the Ninth Circuit that will only be able to review the record, the record that was significantly limited by the trial judge.
	They've got this down to a science!
	And so the only way to do anything is pretrial.
	We have to expose these buzzards and call it what it is.
	And I realize that I'm doing something that really breaks with what's been done in the past.
	You look at the recent case of Aaron Schwartz.
	We've shed our tears around this house on that issue.
	There's a man that had no business being prosecuted.
	Even MIT eventually said, you know, this isn't what we want to see happen, but the system is so corrupt, they can't help themselves.
	I don't know if your listeners know about the Ernest Ford story, but facing 37 years also, I believe it was, he eventually caved in and took his own life, because I don't know how many of your listeners have actually been in prison I haven't been in prison,
	but I've been in jail, and boy, I've had, you know, for a month, I can tell you, it is the most demeaning, demoralizing, horrible human experience, well, possibly in America.
	I'm sure that there are other places in the world that have it worse, but I'll tell you, America imprisons more people per capita than any other nation.
	That's because it is a racketeering Money-making business.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Well, there's lots of evidence that our prisons are full and they keep them full and that it is a money-making business.
	That's really all it is at this moment.
	Incredible stuff.
	Okay.
	Well, now, thank you for that.
	That was a very moving testimony right there.
	And we have had your donate, you know, page up there for people.
	So we're We're trying to direct their attention to that as well.
	And again, information links and so on are on my website as well under Daniel Smith.
	And you can do a search on the search box at any time in the future where...
	You know, time has gone by and it's no longer a front page article, but it's still on the website.
	And if you want to follow up and get more information, but I imagine Google search will hopefully, you know, if we remain a free country or what seemed to be a free country, although that's fast diminishing and God knows what's going to happen in the future here.
	But yeah, it's cases like this that really bring it into focus, I think, for people.
	And I think that if people don't stand up for you and for what is coming down on you, you know, it's that kind of thing where, you know, they came for my neighbor, and they came for this one, and they came for that one, and eventually they came for me.
	That's really where we're at in America at this time.
	Sad to say, but that's the state of affairs as I see it, and I think this case illustrates that point very graphically.
	Alright, so...
	What we're going to do here is we're going to take some questions and I'm going to see what is here.
	So bear with me as I sign here.
	We've been knocked off livestream once again.
	Almost everyone I interview lately gets knocked off a few times.
	That seems to be a pattern.
	And it's interesting because my connection with livestream uses this thing called Procaster.
	It's not interrupted.
	So somehow the feed to me is fine, but what happens is our connection somehow to live stream, on live stream, which is this mega, you know, they have the servers and the pipes and it's all bells and whistles and should never go down, you see.
	Well, it's really, it's a lot of hard work to route all that data through the NSA first, and so sometimes you get drama.
	Okay, all right.
	Fair enough.
	So that's what we've got.
	And they probably, I always think, you know, when they drop you, they do this to Skype calls, as I have as well, and other people.
	And when they drop you off and they put you back on again, They kick you up a notch.
	It's a process that we've heard about.
	And so that's, you know, we're also getting kicked upstairs, if you will.
	So that's a compliment.
	I take it as a compliment.
	I see.
	I see.
	In terms of surveillance and all the different agencies and governments that are listening to us.
	Right now.
	So aside from just the good old public that are out there that hopefully are listening at this time as well.
	So I'm actually looking for...
	There's some big statements in all caps that people are making.
	Somebody saying, so sorry this happened to you, your family and workers...
	FDA wants to poison us.
	They don't want us to heal.
	Another person saying, I sent his info to Institute for Justice.
	They have an office in Washington State.
	Another person saying, is there some resource available in order to understand the court's banking system?
	I'm not sure, but that's kind of a little bit off the side.
	Do you want to answer that question?
	Well, I can introduce you to someone who's probably happy to be a guest, who can give you a far more in-depth explanation of that, and who has been told by Men in Black that this information is protected under trade secrets.
	And so this whole thing of monetizing these cases is actually not public knowledge and the way they do it and how they finagle the whole thing is actually protected under trade secret.
	Incredible.
	Share that with you or in depth.
	That's really sick and demented, in my opinion.
	Let's see.
	Okay, so if you want to send me that information and then I can publish it as well, if that would be appropriate.
	Okay, and then where does the $68 million come from in the bond?
	Is this work that the prisoner would produce in prison?
	Well, as I understand it, the individual is warehoused as collateral.
	You've probably heard of the collateral accounts or the legacy accounts.
	I'm presuming maybe you've heard about it because it's so much.
	This is a way for pirates to raid a legacy account that was originally set up by Congress demanded it because they were taking away money out of the system in 1933.
	And so it's very involved, and I can't really speak as an expert about it.
	Okay, but does this have also to do with the fact that we, the minute we're born, there's a certain amount of money that's put somewhere?
	That supposedly we represent a certain amount of money because we're actually owned as like cattle or something, and therefore we're property.
	And Jordan Maxwell is kind of the expert in this area.
	I'm not, but, you know, and maybe, I don't know if his name is D.W. Griffith, I think is the name.
	Anyway, so does this go down that road?
	All tied into that, but you could just look at it as funny money because...
	All real money is out.
	You and I, we work for the few little dollars that we have, but behind the scenes, on our backs, they're trading millions and millions and millions of dollars in our name as collateral towards the bankruptcy.
	Okay, someone is asking, let's see, have you gone to the Institute for Justice?
	I've gone to a few different places and I think maybe that's one very early on and I usually get, you know, we're not interested at this time.
	I think it's so complex and they don't really know how to get their head around it, you know, from an email or a phone call and, you know, they have limited resources and You know, I would love to talk to anybody who wants to talk about it.
	Okay, let's see.
	Sean David Morton went through...
	Yeah, yeah, I know.
	Well, Sean David Morton talks a lot about that stuff, you guys.
	And I'm very well...
	I've heard his lectures actually, you know, like 10 times because we actually tour around and he lectures on this stuff.
	But it's just not my area, okay?
	So I can't quote it to you.
	I'm well aware of that.
	Yes, Sean David Morton is a person.
	He learned a lot, I think, from Jordan Maxwell, as a matter of fact, who, in a certain sense, was the pioneer in this area.
	And there, I'm sure, are others as well.
	But that having to do with, you know, the whole money game and what it's really all about, etc., etc.
	So there's many videos on YouTube that people can go to as well to learn all about what's really going on there.
	Okay, so I think that's all I see here in terms of actual questions.
	I'm just going to scroll up in case there weren't any early on.
	Is MMS still available?
	Yes, it is, actually.
	And there's a distributor.
	I don't know if that's what you call them, but we have an ad for it on my website.
	So...
	That's, you know, it's been there forever, FYI. So if you don't visit my website at projectcamelotportal.com, there's lots of good stuff there, and I do encourage you to do so.
	Okay, so, well, this is fascinating, and I just, is there anything else you want to say about the case?
	About procedures from this point on.
	Obviously, we put up your page, and I'll do it again here right now, but is there anything else, you know, barring any questions, I do have a link here on here that basically gives you links, gives you his information, and also a long article.
	His contact information as well is publicly put on here.
	And then we have this page here, which is asking for your donations in this drive to go fund him, which is to help him, I imagine, with...
	Can you say what the funding is for?
	Do you want to explain legal charges, etc.?
	It's for legal defense, which encapsulates many facets.
	So I can't say a lot.
	But I will say this, the petition that's out right now, I would say more important than the money right now is that petition.
	If one congressman, and we've talked to some who are genuinely disturbed, and this isn't the first time they've seen it, We want to give them an opportunity to change it.
	But if even one will drop a resolution in the hopper, we can get this.
	And that's what they call it, actually.
	They drop a resolution in the hopper.
	That's what's required to get an impeachment process going.
	And there are a couple other ways to do it as well.
	But when people get behind this and they sign that petition, it tells...
	The representatives, that the represented want them to act, which is their duty.
	And so we're asking Congress to get with this, and in order to do that, we need those signatures.
	We need as many as possible.
	We need that to be shared from rooftops, from every Facebook and Twitter possible.
	And to me, that's actually more...
	Okay, are you there?
	Yeah, sorry.
	So my screen goes...
	It goes blank and then I click on my mouse and it just happens to be sitting on the mute button when I do it.
	So yeah, we need signatures on the petition.
	Okay, okay.
	And we're showing on the screen, change.org, and we've got your petition on the screen at this moment.
	So the link to the petition is actually on this page, which is on GoFundMe.
	So if you're looking for the link, you can actually see it.
	I'll show you where it is just here on the screen so it's easy.
	Just scroll down.
	And there's apparently a statement or another interview with you on there, or at least a video.
	And then the Hunger for Justice petition on Change.org, right?
	Yep, but that has a great video.
	If you want to shed a tear, be moved.
	It's a beautiful video, a Stand By Daniel video.
	There's people all over the world holding signs or sending messages.
	It's very moving.
	Whenever I need a little encouragement, I go back and watch it.
	Okay.
	Excellent.
	All right.
	So that's worth noting as well.
	So thank you so much, Daniel Smith.
	This has been an excellent sort of, I guess, wake-up call for people, I think, in regard to what's really going on in America.
	And the so-called justice system, or injustice system that we currently have, and how it's operating or not operating, how dysfunctional it is.
	And I got somebody who did ask me, last night, it's just a kind of coincidence, as there are no coincidences, these kind of things go on, but there are a couple of guys who are working on this international court That they're putting together.
	It's called the ACIJ. However, the court doesn't exist yet.
	At least it doesn't have any real public cases, and they need funding.
	So they're actually doing a funding campaign to get the thing off the ground.
	But from what I understand, it's all about human rights.
	And it seems to me that your case would qualify.
	So that's the question the person had.
	As far as I know, they may not be able to help you at this time, but I don't know that for sure, and certainly we're going to send this information and the link to them and make them aware of it, so in case there's anything they can do on an international front, that would be something.
	So, okay, is there anything else you want to say before we wrap this up?
	Well, I want to say thank you very much for letting me come on your show.
	I would have never thought I would be on a Carrie Cassidy show.
	I've always loved the shows, and so I'm very honored and grateful that you had me on to share the story, so thank you.
	Alright, well, thank you, and that's very kind of you.
	It's great to know that you have been a Camelot supporter, fan, whatever you want to call it, and have seen maybe some of our videos.
	And just for everyone, again, MMS, we've done several interviews with Jim Humble, and so those are available.
	The links are on my site and on the page.
	Where we advertise about this show here today with Daniel Smith.
	So if you go to the search button on Project Camelot Portal.com and put in the name Daniel Smith, you'll find the links also to Jim Humble or just put some search terms Jim Humble and you'll find Our interviews, and I think Bill interviewed him maybe twice, and I think I interviewed him at least once.
	So that's what's going on here.
	Alright, well, you know, best of luck.
	Anything we can do, we're happy to try to, you know, if you want to come back to us, if you have more information, you want to get it out there to the public, our door is open.
	And, you know, we will also...
	Forward any important emails that come our way for you, as often happens.
	And do you want to give out?
	I know that we've got that information, contact information, but do you want to give it out on the video here yourself?
	Any particular email address or contact information?
	Sure.
	Let's see.
	Smith Family Donation seems to be pretty public right now.
	We could use that one at gmail.com.
	So it would be Smith Family Donation with an S? No, just a singular.
	I'll get alerted to any messages that come in through there.
	There might be other contact information.
	For example, at the StandbyDaniels site, you can actually see my Skype if you want to add me.
	Go ahead, as long as you're not crazy.
	Yeah, really?
	Or, you know, a federal agent with suspicion.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Well, it takes all kinds, but you can always block them once you figure out what they're all about.
	All right.
	Well, great.
	And thank you so much.
	I'm just going to say briefly here that...
	I am going to be part of a panel at the Conscious Life Expo this weekend.
	I'm going to be speaking on the panel, and that's with Sean David Morton.
	And let's see, Jim Mars is going to be there with us, and I think Laura Eisenhower.
	It's going to be, and I can tell you already, there's going to be some known people in the crowd that I've invited that are Camelot fans.
	I'm not going to mention their names.
	I don't think that would be appropriate, but they are well-known people as well.
	So come on down.
	It's on Saturday again, the 7th.
	That's this Saturday.
	I don't remember what time it is, but it's on my website.
	So again, go to projecthamelotportal.com to see where I'm speaking.
	We still need donations to stay alive, and so I'm actually saying this.
	I don't normally take up the time of an interview to say, but I can't afford to pay Tommy right now.
	He's my webmaster.
	We are trying to put together a startup for Project Camelot TV, and we have a potential investor.
	No money yet.
	We may do crowdfunding or whatever.
	But it's looking very positive.
	I'm going to aggregate a lot of the top hosts out there.
	And we're going to go use video and go live.
	And that's going to be exciting and a lot of fun.
	And so we hope to get that off the ground.
	I hope you'll support that.
	But in the meanwhile, someone bought me a free ticket to go to...
	England, where I have a place to stay, but I also will be doing speaking engagements, and I've been invited to speak in Malta again, and I've also been invited to speak in Barcelona.
	And I'll be speaking in Barcelona with Ole Damogard, who's the expert on...
	Sort of false flags and assassinations.
	I had them on my show just like last week, I think it was, if not a few days ago.
	And I'll be live again tonight with Mike Sparks.
	If everything works out, we'll be talking about 007 and the mysteries surrounding the truth.
	That was being revealed there by various authors in association with that, including this author, Gardner, is the last name.
	So go to my website for more information, and thank you again for listening.
	Thank you, Daniel Smith.
	It's really been a pleasure.
	I have to say, you're very, very clear on what's going on around you.
	You're very well educated about it.
	And, you know, it's a pleasure to hear someone speak so eloquently about what's going on in the justice system and with regard to the FDA, to the attack against our liberties and our right to have, you know, basically dominion over our own health and so on.
	So thank you for that very much, really.
	Thank you very much and thank you to all your supporters and We support you too, Carrie.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	All right.
	You take care.
	All right.
	We'll talk to you again.
	Okay.
	Thank you.

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