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Jan. 22, 2015 - Project Camelot

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ROBERT MORNINGSTAR RE MOON, MARS AND KENNEDY ASSASSINATION

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	Tonight we have Robert Morningstar with us and And this is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.
	And I'm very pleased to have him back.
	He was on my radio show a couple of years ago, I guess it was.
	I can't believe that.
	I thought it was more recent than that.
	So I'm glad I thought of bringing you on now.
	Because there's obviously been a lot going on since the time we last talked.
	And I know that you have...
	Gotten involved in the Secret Space Program conference as well.
	And so I want to hear about sort of how that came about and also just talk about your background a bit.
	And I'm going to just kind of go off the screen here and say, you know, what it has here.
	So basically you are a civilian intelligence engineer.
	An analyst and psychotherapist in New York City, and you are a graduate of the Power Memorial Academy.
	You were a New York State Regents Scholar at Fordham University, and you received a degree in psychology.
	You participated in early research and development of artificial intelligence.
	Love to hear more about that.
	And you're an expert in the Chinese language, history, and martial arts.
	So, a very accomplished individual, also the associate editor of UFO TV. UFO TV, yes.
	Okay.
	And you began flying in 1984, and you're an FAA licensed pilot and instrument ground instructor with 30 years of flying experience.
	You've studied the paranormal and UFOs for over 50 years.
	You've published many research articles on the internet, exposing government cover-up, the deception in the Kennedy assassination, and your work is cited in major books on the assassination, most notably Paris Flemont's The Assassination of America,
	Assassination Science by Professor James Fetzer, Who we've had on our show a number of times and may well have him back and interviewed him in person at this memorial for the Kennedy assassination that was in Santa Barbara not that long ago.
	Robert's discoveries regarding the role of Officer J.D. Tippett in the JFK assassination cover-up It's featured in the Francis Richard Connolly film, JFK to 9-11, Everything is a Rich Man's Trick, available on YouTube.
	And I haven't seen that.
	I'd love to, though.
	I'm going to try to take a look at that.
	And you are a member of the Secret Space Program Conference.
	And you've written extensively to expose the relationship between the CIA, the military industrial complex, the secret space program, UFOs, JFK assassination, and that's about it.
	And we have some very interesting photographs here that we're going to get more into here.
	What I'd like to do is kind of start at some of the more recent things and then maybe drill back going the opposite direction.
	So I'd like to ask you about...
	The Secret Space Program conference, because I guess you did a presentation there, and I was there for at least one day, and I guess I missed your presentation, unfortunately.
	Would have loved to see it, but can you talk about what you covered, and whether it's available for people to stream?
	It will be available later in the spring.
	I'm in the final edition.
	I had a showcase of it here in New York on Sunday for the New York Disclosure Group.
	It's a UFO activist group working for Disclosure.
	It's called Disclosure New York.
	And it was very gratifying to present it.
	You know, there was some applause.
	But then when I showed the films that I've uncovered, taken by Apollo, showing UFOs that were buzzing the space capsules, there was a collective, wow!
	You know, I got the whole room hung, wow!
	And I said, boy, that's a really nice sound to hear.
	You know, the sound of surprise and awe and pleasure.
	A lot of pleasure in seeing the truth unfold before your eyes and being present there.
	So I'm happy with it.
	I was less than happy in San Francisco or San Mateo because we had some technical problems which prevented me from having sound for some songs and soundtrack for some movies I wanted to show, and I didn't get to show all the films.
	But I looked at the video and I said, it's very interesting, I was telling the people what I was going to show them.
	So I edited the film, and I produced as it should have been.
	When I got on stage, I said to myself, well, brother, this is either Mr.
	Murphy or Mr.
	Hoover.
	You know what I mean?
	Murphy's Law, and then, you know, Mr.
	Hoover's...
	Yeah, right.
	Well, maybe a combination of the two.
	My facetious way of talking about, you know, monkey wrenches into the work.
	But...
	I'm a pilot, and I've had experiences of piloting boats and piloting aircraft, and when you have an emergency in an aircraft, and this has happened to me, the engine's gone out.
	2,500 feet above the ground, the engine goes out, and it becomes the longest 30 to 40 seconds of your life as you're trying to restart the engine.
	But you have to keep flying, you have to keep navigating, And you have to try to keep fixing the problem.
	Fortunately, every time that's happened, whether on aircraft or boats, I've succeeded in Aviating, navigating, and bringing the craft home.
	So that's the way I felt about that conference.
	And most people really enjoyed what I presented.
	I got to show nearly everything except the films.
	So the films that I've found from the Apollo archives are what are contained, plus remarkable films taken or videos taken by the Chinese Chang'e 2 satellite showing an area of the Moon that I have called Hiroshima on the Moon.
	The remarkable thing about this area Is the vast number of structures that are there.
	And to my utter amazement, I found a videotape from Stephen Bassett's disclosure movement that featured Carl Wolf, who was a sergeant in the United States Air Force, I believe, stationed at Langley.
	And he used to fix...
	Digital machines in the 1960s, photographic reproduction machines.
	He said that in those, you know, we have these little printers now that knock off digital information, you know, off our laptops in our living rooms.
	But he said that in those days they were as big as refrigerators, so the technician had to really go in there and, you know, wrestle with it.
	And in this case, he was unable to fix it there, so he had to remove the entire apparatus.
	In the course of the...
	The fix.
	He got to know the technician who manned the machine most of the time.
	And the airman who was in charge of it said to him on the sly, you know, after they got to know each other, he said, hey, you know, we found a base on the moon.
	And Carl Wolf, knowing all the secrecy, you know, Langley is where the CIA is and Andrews Air Force Base, so it was really, really security.
	He said that he started getting scared just when the fellow told him that.
	He said, I'm not supposed to know this.
	And the fellow took out pictures and showed them to him.
	And he said he saw the pictures and he was trembling.
	He was really scared.
	I'm not supposed to know this.
	This guy's showing it to me.
	And he was looking and he said that he saw buildings with triangular tops.
	He saw a huge number of buildings that were columnar and structure.
	And to my amazement, this is what I found in the Chinese film.
	So this is a Chinese film taken on the moon?
	Over the moon, yes.
	Before they landed, they sent two probes, Chang'e 1 and Chang'e 2.
	And Chang'e 2 found this area.
	And it's a small strip of film, just about, I would say about two minutes, three minutes long.
	And I was able to capture individual frames and enhance them.
	And if I were to show those to...
	I hope to show them to Mr.
	Wolf and ask him, hey, do you remember this?
	Because it's as explicit as it can be.
	I mean, triangular top buildings.
	Okay, but are you able to show us those?
	You sent me some photographs.
	Yes.
	No, but I can send it to you.
	I'd be happy to send it to you.
	There is a way to share.
	I don't know how well you know Skype, but you can share your desktop if you can open them on your desktop and just share it.
	Instead of seeing you, we would be looking at your desktop.
	I don't think I can do that now because of the way I position my computer.
	It's hard to keep the bandwidth.
	I had to take off as all the YouTubes.
	I get it.
	No problem.
	But I'll be happy to send them to you and you can put them on the page.
	Excellent.
	Okay.
	That will be great because people will love to see...
	You know, anything visual is always a big hit, of course.
	You know, in this sector because we often talk about things that people don't get to see.
	So, you know, when you have photographs, obviously that's...
	That's a really key thing.
	So, well, I'm glad to hear that things went well for you and that you are going to come out with actually a streaming or is it a DVD that people purchase or how is that going to work?
	Well, I'll be putting out a DVD here in the United States for people who want to have it.
	I don't know what the Secret Space Program director, Jeroen, is planning for Europe, but I expect that it will be streamed.
	I had to do my own editing here and in my style and then I sent it to them and they said, you know, We have to work it over to put it in our format.
	I see.
	Their documentary method is different than my approach.
	Basically, I had the video of my presentation and then I inserted scores of photographs.
	They all have to be worked down.
	Some are on too long and some need narration.
	But they're going to do it in their own way.
	And I'm going to do mine here.
	Okay.
	You will get to see it.
	Excellent.
	I'm planning to leak a little at a time heading toward John F. Kennedy's birthday, May 29th, because he is the real Flash Gordon.
	He is the man who put us on the moon.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	You'll see.
	Okay, well that sounds great.
	So, in terms of what you've been covering lately, because I see you're talking about Mars, you're talking about bases on the moon, and so on, and so I'm wondering what you would like to cover in terms of,
	I know that there's, you know, what I'm doing right now is putting on the screen this photograph of the Apollo moon racer, as you termed it, It's a lovely, lovely photograph, and I think a lot of people will like to see that.
	So I'm putting that on there right now, and also just making sure that everyone can hear.
	And hold on one second here while I... Do you want to talk about that craft?
	Yes, I would love to.
	It was one of the biggest surprises of my life to discover a about six-second strip of film that was shot by Apollo 16 of this craft passing over the moon and then rising up Out into space,
	and the film is cut abruptly just when the thing appears in, as I would say, its full glory.
	You have the frame.
	And it's obvious to me that the film was cut and tempered with.
	But that the technician, in a sense, left a thumbprint, hoping that someone in the future would find it.
	Obviously, there were more feet of film, showing more of the craft.
	What do you mean the technician left a thumbprint?
	Well, you see, when you're shooting 8, 16, or 24mm film, It stops in a frame.
	It starts in another frame.
	There's a jump.
	There's no apparent overlap or editing.
	And what I found were two frames over That showed me that the film had been edited because there should be no two frames overlapped.
	If the film is intact and the film started and stopped on a subject, started on the next subject, it's just a clean break.
	But when you see two images overlapped over each other, it means that the film has been cut, two frames have been overlapped and glued together, and so you see two images simultaneously.
	That caught my eye.
	As a signature of tampering, the craft comes across the surface of the moon.
	It looks like a stealth craft, because what I picked up was the silhouette of the craft, sort of frosty white on white.
	And the contour of the craft was clearly visible to me, and I liken it to Wonder Woman's airplane.
	Remember Wonder Woman's airplane?
	She had a glass airplane.
	I was into Wonder Woman.
	I was into DC Comics and Superman, Batman, The Flash, Wonder Woman.
	But this is a stunning craft, nonetheless.
	I'm actually zooming in a bit here.
	And I know some people are calling it some kind of foil or something, which is absurd.
	It's obviously a craft.
	It's obviously in the sky.
	Other people say it's a reflection.
	You know.
	Every debunker has his own excuse.
	I say what I see, and I think it's obvious.
	It's not a reflection.
	It's not a piece of paper.
	It's not a one-and-a-half-foot piece of mylar, as NASA has said.
	If you go to my Facebook page and you see my dolphin head is my avatar, but I have a logo.
	Which is a photograph that was taken by Apollo 10.
	Actually one of three photographs of this object coming into sunlight.
	And NASA's explanation of it was that it was a one and a half foot piece of mylar.
	Yeah.
	And it's quite ridiculous.
	I've proven that it can't be that because the shadow that's cast upon the object has a curvature to it and that curvature can only be the moon.
	Now, one of my gifts is geometry.
	I loved geometry when I was in high school and college, but I had the privilege of learning sacred geometry from Professor Keith Critchlow, who was the architect royale.
	Prince Charles, and he taught then at the Royal College of Art and Architecture in London.
	In 1979, 80, and 81, he came to New York and gave lectures, and I became his friend, and he He enlightened me into the principles of sacred geometry.
	So I use that in my analysis.
	And that, may I say this, in all my work, the JFK assassination, whether it's the moon program, NASA photographs, cover-ups, my proofs are geometric.
	And when you have a geometric proof, you have a theorem.
	Geometry has got to be right, and it can't be debunked.
	You can debunk a legalistic argument, a verbal discussion, Any argument.
	Sure.
	But when it comes to geometry, it's either right or wrong, and there's no in-between.
	And so that is my skill.
	That's been my skill in analyzing the doctoring of the Zapruder film, which is now a proven fact.
	Douglas Horn of the Assassination Records Review Board followed up on...
	What I revealed in 1992 and 99, and he's found all the documentation and the chain of possession of this film that shows that it was taken over on Friday, on Saturday it was sent to the CIA, that night it was sent to Rochester and reproduce.
	The next night it was sent back to the CIA where another group of individuals, not the same team that saw it on Saturday, worked it over.
	And they took the individual frames.
	They took out frames that they didn't want people to see.
	They interpolated the edited version, reshot it.
	And Monday it was in Chicago at Time Life.
	And that's what happened.
	Okay, and you found this out...
	Okay, wait.
	You found this out from who?
	Well, I found it out from me because I discovered it in 1992.
	The Chain of Possession?
	Yeah.
	This is from Douglas Horn.
	If you go into YouTube, type in Douglas Horn.
	He has a six-hour documentary.
	Okay.
	And I sat for a whole day, six and a half hours, listening to him.
	And it was the most gratifying experience I've had.
	In the JFK assassination field because he found all the proofs of what I had been asserting since 1992, 1993, and 1999.
	But what I discovered in 1992 was the use of Gestalt psychology to edit the film.
	Gestalt psychology is a psychology, a school of psychology was developed in Germany In the 1920s.
	And unlike Freudian psychology or analytical psychology or Jungian psychology, it didn't deal with the internal world of the mind.
	It dealt with how human beings form ideas and perceptions.
	How their perceptions are organized to create a concept and an idea.
	So the Nazis hijacked this system and to put it very simply, That they could create a poster, for example, a poster of Hitler, that every German would see and have the same idea at the same time and think it was their idea.
	So they made posters and anyone who saw it would say, oh, Hitler is noble, he's the Messiah.
	And everyone's like, oh, Hitler's so noble.
	It must be the Messiah.
	And everybody's thinking it's their own idea, but nobody's voicing.
	It's like, not everybody's saying, hey, don't you see that poster?
	Isn't he the Messiah?
	No.
	You just have a thought.
	And the same technique has been used over and over again.
	It was mastered and then applied to the Supruta film.
	Now, what the Supruta film does is it hijacks your perceptions and creates a mass hallucination.
	It's a consciously engineered optical illusion.
	Okay, well, I've got people on the chat giving me information and talking to me, and one person's saying that James Fetzer did a lot of work on the Zabruda film.
	Is that correct?
	Yes, he was in the audience when I gave the revelation.
	Okay.
	You should have seen that.
	This was 1993.
	I was in there in 1992 in a closed session of 200 Of the world's top JFK researchers.
	That went well.
	I worked on it for another year, and then they invited me to do a major presentation before 1,000 people, or 800 to 1,000 people.
	And James Fetzer was in the audience.
	And when I did this, oh my god, it was like dropping an atom bomb in the place.
	At the end of the conference in which I debated Robert Grodin, up to them, the so-called foremost expert on the Zapruder film, Everybody thought the Zapruder film was true, real, accurate on what really happened, except me, because my gut, the first time I saw it, something went wrong in my gut, it made me sick.
	And it was that a lie makes you sick.
	When your brain recognizes falsehood, it's being presented to you as truth, a state called cognitive disincentive.
	This is true.
	This can't be true.
	They can't both be true.
	And so it puts your mind into confusion.
	And that's the intention of the Zapruder film, the doctrine of Zapruder film.
	Anyway, when I finished my lecture, I looked at the audience and half of them wanted to kill me and half of them wanted to carry me out of the place, you know?
	And some of them were very critical.
	And sarcastic and God bless James Fetzer.
	He had the courage to stand up in this audience and defend me.
	And from that day on, we became best friends, and he picked up the ball, and he acknowledged my work.
	And then he organized a panel in Dallas in 1996 of the real top experts in the Zapruder film, including Jim Mars, Neil Twyman, Roy Schaefer, James Fetzer, Dr. David Mantic, some other Dr. David Mantic, some other people.
	I'm sorry that I can't remember their names right offhand, but we were in there for 10 hours.
	There was a lady who was a detective, and she came in and did a blood splatter analysis, and she showed that it's impossible for what we see in the Zapruder film to be real.
	Because when President Kennedy's head exploded, the blood splatter, it went vertical.
	According to this CIA agent that was His name is Dino Brugioni, and he was the top photographic analyst at the CIA in 1963, and he got to see the undoctored film.
	And when he saw this film, the current version, he says, that's not what I saw.
	What I saw was a huge white cloud First of all, not a big red blow of brain and tissue.
	First it was a huge white cloud and a lot of brain matter going vertically several feet up into the air.
	Incredible, yeah.
	And that's not what is there.
	Right.
	That's excellent.
	Just out of curiosity, since you go back way back then and you were very involved, do you know Mae Brussel?
	Oh yes, of course.
	She was quite a vocal speaking out against the Zgruder film and what was going on at that time.
	I'm in contact with her daughter.
	I haven't been in a few years, but Barbara Brussel is still around.
	Mae Brussel passed away.
	Sylvia Marr, Mae Brussel, Mary Farrell.
	I knew Jean Hill, The Lady in Red.
	Jean Hill, The Lady in Red, in his film, The Lady in the Red Raincoat.
	Beverly Oliver, who was standing next to her.
	Hal McLean, the motorcycle cop that they said had his mic on.
	That was not my mic.
	My mic was not keyed.
	That was another sound, and so on.
	And Mr.
	William Newman and Gail Newman.
	So I know the people who are standing right there, and I know the real story.
	And I can tell it to you.
	Okay, well, excellent.
	I found the missing frames.
	Now, I know you've sent me these photographs of Officer Tipton, and since, you know, we're not going in order here, so we're going to have to circle back around to some other questions.
	But since you brought this up, I want to go to this, you know, in this direction anyway.
	And it looks like this is quite a grainy photograph, so I'm going to...
	I'm not sure if we've got a better one somewhere.
	But do you want to talk about this...
	Sure.
	Why did you do this with taking half and half?
	There's a mystery, controversy about the medical evidence.
	The doctors in Dallas, in the emergency room, all saw horrible wounds.
	Back of the head completely gone, front of the head completely open, throat wound that was only a very small wound.
	I knew Dr.
	Charles Crenshaw who was in the emergency room and he said that when he was there he knew that this was That he would remember for all of his life.
	And he went close to the wound and he said, I want to remember this for the rest of my life.
	And he said to me, in Chicago and in Dallas, he used to say, you see, Rob, you see my pinky?
	That's how small the bullet entry wound was.
	And the gash that you see in the photograph He actually said this, Dr.
	Perry performed the tripeotomy.
	Dr.
	Perry was an artist.
	What you see in the photograph is the work of a butcher.
	Those are his very words.
	So, the alteration of the wounds was the result of having to cover up the fact that the president was hit from behind, high from behind, from the front, Practically into the throat.
	And then a fusillade of shots actually took his head off at the grassy knoll.
	The car stopped twice, once by the sign and once by the grassy knoll.
	And most recently, I was really amazed, it's just this week, I found the testimony of Jacqueline Kennedy as she related it to Arthur Schlesinger.
	And she said that when my husband was murdered, I turned and looked at him and I saw pieces of the Anyway, the wood of the sign was flying toward us.
	Bullets came right through the sign.
	And for years we heard that the Zapruder film had been doctored at the passage of the sign to hide the fact that bullet holes appeared From the back.
	As Zapruder was shooting, holes appeared in the sign.
	That had to be cut off.
	I also heard the sign was removed and stored someplace, and some people got to see it, and they saw the bullet hole, so they reported that.
	And so Jackie Kennedy's testimony that she saw pieces of wood flying at her and Jack from the sign, and she said, this is important, she said, I heard five shots all came from behind the sign in the grassy knoll.
	And I can still hear those shots in my dreams.
	Incredible.
	And on his deathbed, sort of a deathbed confession to his best friend, Sam Kinney, the Secret Service man who's driving the second car, the so-called Queen Mary, behind the President's limousine, he said, yes, I saw the flash and the gunshots from the grassy knoll.
	So there was a vast conspiracy and everyone was forced to lie.
	Right.
	Under duress.
	Johnson said to everybody, look, this was the Russians and Castro, and if we tell the people the truth, we're going to have an atomic war, so you're out of patriotism.
	We don't want to do that.
	And that was his way of cajoling and forcing people to go along with the magic bullet theory.
	Okay, but you must also know about Johnson's involvement, is that right?
	I know it very well because I knew his mistress, Madeline Brown.
	I had hours, hours and hours on the phone with her in 1995 and 96.
	As a matter of fact, she very graciously gave me her original manuscript, Texas in the Morning.
	And it's been published in book form, but of course it's been edited.
	And she told me directly that the night before the assassination, she went to a party at Clint Murchison's house and Lyndon Johnson was there and J. Edgar Hoover and Richard Nixon and all of the Texas bigwigs.
	They went into a room, and when the meeting was over, Johnson came out and said to her, after tomorrow, those bastard Kennedys will never embarrass me in public again.
	That's not a threat, that's a promise.
	The following morning, he called her again, in a rage, because he had gone in at 7 o'clock in the morning to President Kennedy, And asked him to change the seating in the limousines.
	He wanted to switch Senator Ralph Yarborough, who was his worst enemy in Texas politics, was Senator Ralph Yarborough.
	And his protege was John Connolly.
	So John Connolly was to ride with the President, and Yarborough was riding with him.
	He went in and asked President Kennedy to switch Yarborough with Connolly.
	But President Kennedy, I'll tell you, President Kennedy knew what was going on.
	He knew since November 18th when a plot to assassinate him in Miami had been foiled.
	A motorcade had been canceled in Miami.
	He was supposed to go from the airport into Miami the same way as in Dallas, but because they knew this plot was afoot, They helicoptered him into the Orange Bowl, where he made peace with the anti-Casco community by returning the Bay of Pigs invaders, prisoners.
	He secured their release by trading medicine and food and non-lethal supplies with Castro, and he procured their release.
	So he had ironed out the tensions somewhat with the anti-Castro Cubans, except the fanatic ones who were part of Operation 40, which was the assassination teams that were sent in to kill Castro.
	In a nutshell, the assassination teams that were, the CIA assassination teams, mafia and CIA got together to kill Castro.
	They just took those teams and turned them around and they laid them on President Kennedy.
	Okay, well what is this Tipton, this sort of half-and-half photo though?
	Okay, tip it.
	I'm sorry, yeah.
	The doctors in Dallas at Parkland Hospital saw horrid, horrid wounds in front and in the back.
	The whole back of the head was blown out.
	As the body lay there, The brain oozed out.
	The right side of the brain just was liquefied.
	And it just oozed out into a bucket.
	So there was only one-third to one-half of brain left.
	And yet the Warren Commission autopsy describes an intact brain.
	They have a drawing of it.
	They describe the internal structures that they're studying.
	They're talking about the cerebral peduncles and the right hemisphere and the hypothalamus.
	And there was no right hemisphere left.
	So I was sitting there, what's the resolution to this?
	Because these guys are saying, those guys were wrong, and other guys, these guys must be lying.
	And I said to myself, Wasek, I can't believe this.
	I know that the doctors in Parkland were wrong.
	And I don't believe that the doctors in Bethesda were lying.
	What is the answer if everyone is telling the truth?
	So I took all of those statements, I read them all, I said, the only answer is that we're talking about two bodies or two brains.
	So just by coincidence, my girlfriend asked me, Robert, how was tippet shot?
	And at that very moment, it was in May of 1992, right at hand's reach, like this.
	I had a book, and it was Jim Bishop's The Day Kennedy Was Shot.
	So I said, quoting from memory, I read this in the New York Times, Officer Tippett had been shot in the eye and had been horribly disfigured, and for that reason his body was buried in a sealed casket.
	Not even his family was allowed to see it.
	He was buried the following day, very quickly, in a sealed casket, and nobody got to see it.
	So I said that.
	Quoting it from the New York Times of that day.
	But let me make sure.
	I look in Jim Bishop's book, Officer Tippett, Death of Officer Tippett, and I go to the page and it says, Officer Tippett was taken by surprise by the man who killed him, spoke to him at the window, then Tippett got out walking past the hood of the car.
	The man opened fire, hit him in the chest, hit him twice in the ribs, hit the button on his tunic and gashed his abdomen.
	And then as Tippett lay dying, he'd already been shot several times, chest and torso.
	And as he lay dying, the assassin went over to him, knelt down and put the gun to his head and put a bullet in his right temple.
	And Jim Bishop said, the bullet entered the right parietal area, struck the back of the head, but did not exit.
	And in that instant, I remember that photograph, the so-called back-of-the-head photo.
	And I studied that, where it's supposed to be a bullet hole.
	When I enhance that photograph, you can see the hair still growing out.
	And it's not an entry wound or an exit wound, it's a depression.
	And I said, that has to be...
	But here's the key.
	I said to myself, God, how could anybody believe that Oswald shot the president with a rifle from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, put a bullet here and it came out here.
	And 45 minutes later on the street, he shoots a cop and he puts a bullet here and it hits here.
	I said, it's got to be his brain.
	They had to have used his brain for the autopsy.
	He had been killed with one bullet through the head.
	So they take a brain that shows one single bullet tracked through the brain and they say, that's it.
	He was killed by that.
	But it describes both hemispheres and the drawing shows two hemispheres and the weight.
	It was 1500 grams, which is extremely heavy for a human brain.
	Most human brains are about 1200 grams.
	So the solution to that is the solution.
	The brain was taken, put into formaldehyde, absorbed the formaldehyde, swelled up, was preserved for a week, And a week after President Kennedy was shot, and four days after he was buried, a second autopsy was conducted at Bethesda by two of the doctors at the original autopsy.
	They excluded the third doctor, Dr.
	Fink, because they said he caused a lot of trouble that night.
	He asked too many questions, you see?
	So that was, that's the solution to the Now, I only thought they had used the brain.
	But when I went to Chicago that year, I said to people, This is the most mysterious person in the whole JFK assassination.
	Why have we only seen one picture of Tippett in 30 years?
	93, right?
	It was 30 years.
	Why have we seen only one single photograph of Officer Tippett in 30 years, and it shows a man to be about 26 years old, but Tippett was 39?
	That doesn't look like a 39-year-old man.
	I call it the Tippett Elvis picture.
	It's in that one that you have that shows the body and profile and Tippett by the front.
	Okay.
	Study those pictures and you'll see that that's the same man.
	And that was the biggest surprise.
	So I went to Chicago and I asked this question and I said it couldn't be that they used Tippett's brain.
	People started laughing in the audience.
	This was the 92, the closed session.
	And fortunately, A gentleman at the podium, the Master of Ceremonies, was Professor George Michael Avika, and he said to the audience, Hey, don't be so quick to laugh.
	I studied Tippett.
	I went down to Dallas, I studied Tippett, and I found out that Tippett bore such a close resemblance to President Kennedy that his friends on the Dallas Police Department used to call him Jack and JFK. Everybody shut up.
	And that's when I really got on track.
	After that meeting, a gentleman from North Hollywood named Dan DuPont walked over to me and he said, Mr.
	Morningstar, I heard your comments about Officer Tippett and I'd like to help you.
	He said, really?
	How did you get that?
	He said, well, a Canadian reporter named Gary Muir, M-U-R-R, went down to Dallas in 1964, and he went to the coroner's office and he got officer tickets automatically.
	I have it and I'm going to send it to you.
	He sends me the monograph, I start reading it, and I'm reading the Warren Commission autopsy, and I realize, God, this is a paraphrase.
	They're both describing the same wounds in just slightly different medical terms.
	So I wrote an article called JFK Antimedicine.
	And for the next three years, four years, I enlisted the help of many people, including Professor James Fetzer, who's always been a great supporter and a friend.
	And he was able to get me the Tippett autopsy photographs.
	And when I look at the autopsy photographs...
	I was stunned because I said to you, I said to myself, how could Oswald kill President Kennedy with a rifle and Oswald with a gun and leave the same track, put it here and here?
	But then when I saw the pictures, I said, God, how could he kill two men and leave the same expressions on their faces?
	And that's it.
	You know, from here down, the facial expression and the so-called stare of death photographs and the tippet photo are the same.
	Nobody has yet seen the real autopsy pictures of President Kennedy.
	It was Tippett's body.
	Okay.
	And the photographs.
	That's interesting.
	Well, I mean, where does that take you, though, in terms of Kennedy and what happened to his body, if we're using at least...
	Tippett's, I don't know, skull, brain...
	X-rays, photos.
	I believe his body was stolen and that's why I've never gone to Arlington.
	I've never gone to Arlington to visit the grave because I don't believe President Kennedy is there.
	I'll tell you one more thing.
	I revealed all these things to John F. Kennedy Jr.
	Oh yeah?
	1994.
	I told them, don't be afraid of these pictures.
	They are not your father.
	I want you to know that this man was involved in the murder of your father and he did not live to see sunset on November 22, 1963.
	These pictures are terrorism.
	They are made to terrorize anyone who looks at them to say, little man...
	Look at these pictures.
	If we did this to the President of the United States, what do you think we're going to do to you if you open your mouth?
	I told him, don't be afraid.
	That's not your father.
	Within a few months, he came out, he started George Magazine, and the rest is history.
	One more thing.
	When Jackie died, I was watching live the burial of Jackie at Arlington.
	And he knelt at Jackie's grave.
	He said a prayer.
	He stood up.
	He was walking by the grave of...
	President Kennedy.
	And I saw him go toward it, and I thought he was going to kneel down.
	And I started screaming, don't kneel down!
	I mean, I'm very emotional about this thing, and I'm screaming at the television, don't kneel down, don't do it, don't do it!
	And he went in, he stopped kneeling, and then he just went and touched it like that and walked on.
	Interesting.
	Yes, ma'am.
	So if you've got a lot of videotape, you'll see it.
	You know, you have some interesting contacts, I have to say, Robert, throughout the years.
	And you must also know something about the death of Jack Kennedy.
	John John.
	For Robert?
	John John?
	Yes, I do.
	John John's airplane was sabotaged.
	And I was able to speak to You know, when he crashed, the first report said that he died as a result of pilot error.
	I had a conference with General Rosenker, who was the vice chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board, and I talked to him about it, and I said it's a great disservice to this young man who was a good pilot.
	He'd made that flight 35 times to Martha's Vineyard, there and back successfully.
	He knew it.
	He hadn't gotten his instrument rating, but he'd done all the courses to be able to take his test.
	He had made the flight just a month before.
	And what I found in studying the...
	The NTSB crash report was this.
	In a nutshell, his electrical system was sabotaged.
	And the way I proved it to General Rosenker was these simple things.
	There are two fuel pumps in an airplane.
	One is mechanically driven by the engine, and the other one is an electrical fuel pump.
	The mechanically driven vacuum pump, actually.
	It's spinning around to create the vacuum that powers certain instruments.
	That vacuum pump, the veins were shattered.
	Like fan blades, fan blades were broken.
	The fan blades on the electrical pump were intact.
	They weren't damaged.
	That means that it wasn't spinning.
	Secondly, all the light bulbs on John F. Kennedy's airplane were tested.
	He was flying at night.
	It was 9.30 at night or so when the crash occurred.
	Full moon night, very hazy.
	He had to have had his lights on.
	However, none of the light bulbs on John F. Kennedy Jr.'s airplane have showed filament stretch.
	Filament stretch is a phenomenon that occurs when a hot light bulb in a car or an airplane, when it crashes, The element or the filament is in a slightly more viscous state.
	And when the crash occurs, it stretches.
	And from the degree of stretch and the direction of stretch, an investigator can tell in what direction the airplane or the car was going and how fast it was going.
	And none of the light bulbs on John F. Kennedy Jr.'s airplane showed any kind of filament stretch.
	Okay, so what does that mean exactly?
	I mean...
	That means that somebody sabotaged his plane to make the electrical system fail.
	Okay, so they weren't operating, so they didn't have a...
	Right.
	Imagine he's flying, John is flying over at night over the ocean heading toward Martha's Vineyard, and suddenly no instruments, no lights, no GPS... And the engine just keeps running on the battery.
	Well, I have a witness, Mark Richards, who's currently in prison, and you might have heard about him.
	I've interviewed him several times.
	He also said, claims, the same thing about John Kennedy's plane.
	Yes.
	Saying that he was a very good pilot.
	Yes.
	He knew him, and he also knew his wife.
	I'm very proud to say that if you go to the John F. Kennedy Jr.
	crash report from the MTSB today, you will not find pilot error.
	You will find spatial disorientation.
	So I cleared his reputation.
	Alright, well, I wouldn't say that's completely accurate either, though.
	What?
	Spatial disorientation.
	Spatial disorientation.
	Well, it does happen.
	If you're flying around at night, eventually, you see, you can't tell what's up and what's down, especially on a hazy night such as the one that...
	This happened to me in daytime.
	I was flying out there toward the Hamptons.
	And somebody had messed around with my instruments, and I'm flying, and I'm looking.
	Boy, it really got hazy.
	I can't even see the ground.
	It's 6,000 feet up.
	And I looked up, and my god, there was a boat going across the sky.
	And I realized I was flying upside down, and yet the instruments were telling me that I was straight and level.
	And the voice said to me, you know, they always tell you in ground school, in instrument school, always believe your instruments.
	Always trust your instruments.
	But my angel is this voice that speaks up from my stomach and said, Robert, forget about that.
	Put that boat back where it belongs.
	And so the boat was there, and I rolled the airplane, and I watched the boat go, and then it's under the wing, and there's Long Island Sound.
	That was a memorable experience.
	I won't go into the details as to why that was happening, but it's enough to tell you that if I had been out there at night and that happened, I'd be dead and I wouldn't be here talking to you.
	Okay, and so it would appear that somebody was messing with you back then.
	Yes, you know why?
	Because I was investigating the crash of John F. Kennedy Jr.
	at that airport.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I hear you.
	Alright, now I've got somebody who is just telling me that Oswald did not shoot Tippett.
	Right.
	Oswald was in the theater watching War is Hell in the Texas theater at that time.
	Tippett was killed by two people.
	Two eyewitnesses saw the shooting.
	One was an African-American lady named Aquila Clemens and the other one was a Mexican-American named Domingo Benapides.
	Aquila Clemens' brother was killed And Domingo Benavidi's brother was shot.
	And they think that he was shot because they mistook him for, they mistook the brother for the witness.
	A stocky man and a thin man in a tan jacket were the ones that were seen at the typical murder scene.
	The man walked over and, boy, as I said, a surgical assassination to provide a brain.
	You know, they knew this is such an amazing, amazing scheme.
	They had everything planned.
	And, you know, the use of a double, the doppelganger.
	Right.
	It's all this Shakespeare.
	If you read measure for measure, that's where you find the switching of heads for the first time.
	It's quite shocking.
	They save one innocent victim by taking the head of a guilty man and presenting it to the villain who wanted him dead and saying, hey, this is him who killed him.
	And that gives enough time in measure for measure for the resolution, for the good duke to come back and save the man.
	But, you know, the use of doubles.
	Hitler had doubles.
	I don't believe that Hitler was killed in World War II. I now believe that he did survive by the use of a doppelganger, a double.
	May I talk about this for a moment?
	Yeah.
	For years and years and years, the Russians said they'd found the head with the bullet hole in it and the burned bodies, and they kept it in Moscow for years and years.
	They finally did a DNA analysis in the late 1990s, and they found that it was a scuttleable woman.
	So Hitler may have shot either Braun or the double, and it wasn't a man.
	And I also have a letter that was discovered by John Greenwald of the Black Vault.
	He's done marvelous work.
	John Greenwald, since he was 16 years old, has been writing FOIA letters and getting treasure troves, treasure troves of documentation.
	He got all these US Army intelligence documents in the mid-90s, and there was a letter in there Written to General Lucius Clay by a German sailor, the Kriegsmarine.
	He was a U-boat sailor who had sailed to Japan and gotten back to Germany, and he wrote a letter to General Lucius Clay stating that he had been on a mission to Japan carrying mercury, huge amounts of mercury, and the mercury was used to make these spirit craft.
	It was It was his language, that he had spoken to German scientists, and the German scientists had found a way of creating these shifts that entered, quote unquote, the spirit world.
	And they entered in the spirit, they traveled in the spirit form, and then they could re-congeal and re-materialize and travel huge distances in the spirit world.
	But he says in that, that Hitler survived the war, that he escaped in a U-boat, and he was trying to warn General Lucius Clay, and he predicted This is 1946, mid-1946, and he predicted vast overflights of the United States by these spirit craft that were planned for 1947, 48, and 49.
	And what do we have?
	Later on we had the Lubbock Lights.
	Sure, absolutely.
	Well, UFOs going interdimensional, that's a clear explanation of that.
	Yes, in the jargon.
	And you know how a Krieg, he was a, Kriegsmarine is the war navy, you know, that was their name.
	But the German U-boat sailor, very intelligent man, and he had direct contact with It's the German scientists who were aboard the submarine, and they divulged to him this technology, which we know today as the Glocka, the Bell.
	Remember, that's one of Joseph Farrell's specialties.
	He wrote a book called The Bell.
	Right.
	Well, actually, my former partner in Camelot, Bill Ryan, and I went and visited the site of the Bell in Poland.
	Oh, that ring that looks like Stonehenge?
	Yeah.
	Incredible sight.
	And did an interview with Igor Witkowski, who's something of an expert on the Bells.
	And I don't think the real information about the Bell has ever been truly revealed, although...
	I don't know what exactly Feral has revealed so far.
	I do know that it is a time travel device.
	If I may get back to sum up on Tippit.
	I've got a team, you know, Jim Fetzer and a lot of other people around the country, you know.
	My ideas, they involved a certain kind of common sense and people became part of my team and they started looking for pictures of Tippett and over the course of time found three more pictures of Tippett and as each one came along, like the one of Officer Tippett in the side profile in the police uniform, Right.
	Comparing the jaw of President Kennedy's.
	So what I did ultimately was I found a picture of President Kennedy with the same expression on his face as that one picture of Tippett, the Tippett Elvis picture as I call it.
	And I decided to do a comparison.
	So I split the picture And this is a real hard copy.
	I mean, it's reproductions, photographs, scissors, sliced it, joined it.
	And there you can compare the similarities of President Kennedy and Officer Tippett.
	Now, you will see that Officer Tippett had a much finer nose.
	It tapered up more to a fine point.
	President Kennedy's nose at the end is slightly more rounded.
	His nose is straight and doesn't have these two ridges.
	It looks like Tippett might have had his nose broken at one time.
	So if you look at the picture face on, you'll see two little lines across here.
	I should say that my expertise in face reading comes from having studied with Dr.
	Timothy Maher, who was the world's foremost expert in Chinese physiognomy.
	And Chinese physiognomy is used both by detectives and by doctors.
	Doctors to diagnose people, also fortune-telling.
	A person's future can be told by their faces.
	So I had the privilege of studying with Dr.
	Timothy Maher here in New York in 1977, 78, 79.
	I have his book.
	I recommend it to everyone.
	It's called Chinese Face Reading by Timothy Maher with two R's.
	Over the course of time, he taught me how to read 80 points on the face.
	80 points on the face.
	The proportion, the relationship of the brow to the cheek to the chin.
	The relationship of the nose to the jaw.
	Drawing a line through the eyes and a line through the mouth.
	You'll see some people's eyes are not on the level.
	They'll be a little bit off.
	So if you draw a line, it'll be slanted this way and through the mouth.
	So all of those things summed up.
	I found these pictures and I have no doubt that the majority of those photographs that have been purported to be President Kennedy are not his.
	And the reason is the world could not bear the horror of the face that was left on President Kennedy.
	First of all, the explosive bullet that hit a mercury fulminate bullet Exploded.
	His eye got blown out.
	There are people who have seen photographs of, like, Harrison Livingstone.
	Harrison Edward Livingstone wrote for High Treason 1, High Treason 2.
	In High Treason 2, he said that he had seen a very rare photograph, and it showed that the eye was skewed and popped out.
	Well, that's what you could expect, and the tongue I've seen an x-ray of President Kennedy's upper body, and even in the x-ray I can see the horror.
	So it was cosmetic.
	It was to tone down the gruesome nature of this heinous murder.
	All right, well, maybe tone it down, but on the other hand, to also hide the true trajectories of the bullets and damage and so on.
	So it would have been a two- She was riddled.
	Mrs.
	Kennedy said there were at least five shots.
	Yes.
	And she heard them in her dreams.
	You know what?
	If you read William Manchester's Death of a President, We'll come to a segment where they are in Washington.
	The autopsy is completed.
	The body has been sent to Gawler's.
	It's in the coffin.
	And Robert Kennedy and Jackie Kennedy are discussing whether they're going to have an open casket for viewing or no, closed casket.
	And they didn't know what to do and so they go and ask Jackie and Bob and Schlesinger was there and some other aide.
	And Jackie said, that's not Jack.
	It doesn't look like him at all.
	That looks like something out of Madame Tussauds Wax Museum.
	And Robert Kennedy said the same thing, and then Arthur Schlesinger said, well, you know, from a distance it kind of looks like him, but when I get up close, it doesn't look like him at all.
	So they decided to have a closed casket.
	What am I to say to that?
	All of these testimonies support my thesis.
	It is the only logical conclusion that resolves all the mysteries, and what if everyone is telling the truth?
	Two brains.
	Yeah, no, I appreciate that.
	I think it's a very interesting theory and it makes logical sense to me.
	Also on an occult level, which I think you're sort of indicating when you talk about Shakespeare and so on, they're always operating, you know, sort of using this kind of a A creative way of linking things together in their plans.
	They will do things like this.
	So it's a Machiavellian kind of approach to life.
	And so I think there was a lot of planning that went down, and it's very likely you're onto something there.
	What I'd like to ask you is, in light of what you know, because you're quite a talented man, I would say, And with the false flags that we are continually having, which you must be analyzing on your own, do you have anything to say about, for example, the recent one, the Charlie Hebdo, which has a number of anomalies that went on there?
	Are you analyzing these elements?
	Are you still interested?
	Or do you only look at Kennedy?
	No, no, no.
	I'm interested in all of them.
	I try to I try to help.
	Okay.
	Let me just say something.
	Je ne suis pas Charlie.
	I am not Charlie.
	Je suis moi-même.
	Aime ça.
	I am Robert Morningstar.
	Je suis Robert.
	Je ne suis pas Charlie.
	That is a meme.
	It's a psychological meme trying to implant this idea of identification, the identification mystique, to associate everything.
	After seeing the cartoons that Charlie Hebdo was putting out, I wrote this to everyone.
	I can never say that Charlie Hebdo deserved what they got, but I can say unequivocally that they really asked for it.
	What they were doing was pouring gasoline on a fire.
	What do you expect if you walk up to a hornet's nest with a stick and hit it?
	Okay, but come on.
	You asked me a very good question, and I'm going to give you a very good answer.
	When Oswald purportedly killed Tippett, a wallet was found at the murder scene.
	When Oswald was arrested in the theater, he was handcuffed, put in the back of a police car, and driven to the police station, and he said to the police officer, Hey, can you untie these or loosen them up?
	I'm sitting on my wallet, and my leg is feeling numb.
	Charlie Hebdo's attackers make a clean getaway, right?
	They attack the place, they succeed in their horrible mission, they make a clean getaway, And what did the police find in the car?
	A guy's photo ID. Come on!
	Am I gonna believe that?
	Are they going to be that stupid?
	Absolutely.
	After being so successful?
	All right.
	These are the flags, you know, red flags that come up and say, hey, not everything is kosher in this whole studio.
	Absolutely.
	Well, okay.
	And you must have seen the footage in slow motion of the AK-47 shooting the cement.
	You know, I don't know if you follow the information.
	Yeah, he missed.
	Well, he missed it on purpose.
	I mean, obviously.
	Well, you know what I see?
	Let me tell you this.
	What I see is the guy was running, fired, and he hit the sidewalk, and then he turned and shot the guy.
	He wasn't running.
	By the time he went by the body, he was going very slowly.
	He was walking.
	Right.
	Well, he missed, and then as he went by, he swung again, and I think he put a bullet in his torso.
	I'd really love to see the autopsy report, because there was no headshot involved.
	Yeah, well, there was no blood either.
	You know, the trouble with saying that they deserved, or not deserved, but, you know...
	I didn't say that.
	I said they asked for it.
	They asked for what?
	From what?
	From what?
	You know, what I'm asking you here is that Are you saying they asked for it, what, from Muslims?
	Could you really believe those Muslims weren't hired by the CIA? I don't know who hired them.
	I don't know...
	Come on, you understand the back, what went on behind the scenes in the Kennedy assassination.
	You see this exception of what goes on on the moon and Mars and we can go into all of that.
	You've got to put two and two together sooner or later and say these people that are supposedly orchestrating these things It's not coming from the Muslims.
	They're hiring these people.
	Surely you know that 9-11 wasn't done by box cutters, Muslim box cutters.
	So it's absurd to even say there's any anger generated that is manifesting in this way.
	It's not them retaliating for some kind of comic Depiction of whatever.
	You know, what I'd like to do is go from here to what you're discussing about Mars and this...
	Well, I think it's...
	I'm not sure if it's on Mars or the Moon.
	It's this big...
	I guess it's still on the Moon.
	Oh, it's on the Moon.
	Yes, it's on the Moon.
	Okay.
	And I did hear one of your interviews that you did recently where you are talking about Mars as well.
	And I find that very interesting because you've obviously gone down that road.
	So do you want to Maybe start with this, and then if you could also include some of the information you've been talking about regarding Mars.
	Okay.
	Well, this photo that I dubbed Big Ben on the Moon, I actually wanted to call it the Empire State Building on the Moon because it looks like that too, but that big white spot on the top reminded me of the clock tower of Big Ben.
	But at the same time, when I discovered this, the British people had just forced Parliament Not to go to war in Syria.
	And they stopped us from going into World War III. Obama and Cameron And the Europeans were jumping on the bandwagon to go, you know, headlong into Syria.
	And the British people, God bless them.
	The British people, for the first time in history, the population of the nation stopped their politicians from going to war.
	The internet has given us incredible power.
	This instrument through which you're watching, that keyboard through which you type, And you should use it.
	Whatever your view, express it.
	And apply the pressure to the politicians.
	They work for you.
	We don't work for them.
	And the British people did it, and I feel that they gave us a saving grace for at least a year and a half.
	If we don't go into this thing now, because the New World Order wants to jump into World War III, and you ask me who did it?
	Who did Charlie Hebdo?
	Yeah, the New World Order did that.
	Who's gaining?
	You know, cui bono.
	Absolutely.
	Who gains most from this?
	The Muslims haven't gained that much.
	Since I have the Big Ben on the moon, as you call it, what is your understanding of this structure?
	What do you know about it?
	What have you been told about it?
	What I know is what I see.
	And I have found two other photos of it from a different vantage point in a greater distance.
	This is the clearest and best of all of those photos.
	There is another, I think I sent you a photograph of what I call a constellation of space station?
	Yes, you did.
	I found a photo of a tower that I thought was the same one.
	But when I did my longitude and latitude and the position of the spacecraft, I realized it was in a different place.
	But what I feel I am seeing is Tesla technology on the moon.
	The Moon Racer and the other UFO, which I'm going to reveal later on, maybe sooner than springtime, the one that was tracking the Apollo 17, these are not reaction propulsion craft.
	There is no rocket, there's no fire exhaust.
	It seems like an electromagnetic, gravitic device.
	And so, I believe that these towers Are beaming energy to these crafts that I call the space stations.
	And I also believe that NASA knew about this and leaked some of these images to filmmakers like George Lucas and Spielberg.
	For example, in there, I see the prototype of an X-Wing fighter in the Moon Racer.
	And that's not the only picture of Moon Racer that I found.
	Apollo 15 took some pictures.
	Apollo 11 took pictures.
	And although they are not identical in their construction, they are very similar.
	And it's something that I would call an outrigger or a catamaran type of design.
	Yeah.
	Sort of like our P-38 in World War II. Okay.
	Center console cockpit, you know, and the two...
	With two pontoon wings.
	And so, I feel that we're really looking at something otherworldly, exquisitely beautiful, and unbelievably fast.
	Because, you know, if this thing catches up with Apollo 16 and leaves it, and there's no rocket exhaust, no fire to be seen.
	So the construction is similar.
	Detroit has so many car companies, but all the cars come out, they all have four wheels, they all have a steering wheel, they all have their purpose in the design, but there is a structural design underlying all of these crafts that seems to be similar in concept.
	And they're also not symmetrical.
	The left wing and the right wing are not identical.
	Right, yeah.
	In this craft.
	Yes.
	It's very beautiful.
	A lot of people look at that picture and say they see either somebody surfing or somebody skiing.
	But it's all in the eye of the beholding.
	I suppose it is.
	But yeah, I think it's an amazing craft.
	Can you tell, I mean, you're getting a hold of some of these and I guess what you claim is that you have, I heard another interview in which you talk about Your eyesight and your ability to see things very quickly go by in film and so on.
	But I am curious, are you also being given or sort of shown the way through even undercover contacts that you have, people slipping you information, this sort of thing?
	Occasionally that'll happen, but most of this is just purely my psychic ability.
	I don't know how to explain it.
	Well, that covers it.
	I know you're a remote viewer.
	I'll touch something, and then...
	It's intuition.
	I follow intuition and my instincts.
	And sometimes I'll actually make a mistake.
	I'll go to one thing and my mouse is going back and look what's there.
	It's an uncanny gift that I have.
	It's both physical ability, physical eyesight, acuity, rapidity.
	See, I've trained in Tai Chi for 42 years.
	I am acknowledged as a Tai Chi master, and I'd like to give a plug to a new film that's coming out.
	I'm going to appear in a documentary on the life of Professor Cheng Man Cheng, the Grand Master of the Yang family, Tai Chi Chuan.
	And I was his last student.
	And Professor Cheng died in China in March of 1975.
	And before I got word that he had died, I had a visitation.
	I had a ghost experience.
	He came into my home, walked up to my bed where I was paralyzed, and I became frightened.
	This figure is walking toward me dressed in black, and I couldn't see the face because I was somehow immobilized.
	My left eye was open and my right eye was closed and I saw this figure walking toward me and I began to get scared.
	And this voice said to me, Don't be afraid, Robert.
	Nothing can harm you.
	And, well, I said, okay, I'm going to trust this.
	I'll weather this out.
	I'll see what it's about.
	And this person came and touched me, physically touched me.
	And I tell you, Terry, it's one thing to see a ghost.
	It's quite another one to be touched by a ghost.
	Because when that happened, I received a download of knowledge.
	I knew, after that happened, I knew things that I had never learned.
	And over the course of the next seven years, it led me to a series of the most remarkable discoveries regarding the history of Tai Chi Tuan, and it takes us right back to the moon.
	I'm going to tell you an amazing story.
	I could run over in my bookcase and get the book and show you the poem.
	It's a poem from the 8th century in China, the 700s, by the most famous poet of the Tang Dynasty named Bai Jui.
	The poem is called Spin Dance Girl or Barbarian Spin Dancer.
	So I had learned to read Chinese, and I learned the old Chinese characters, not the simplified characters.
	I learned the 214 radicals and the composition of Chinese characters.
	And I started reading this poem, which was describing a dance that I thought I was discovering.
	I had been experimenting with Tai Chi and how it's used quickly and self-defense.
	It turned into this kind of whirling dervish type of dance, which I could actually demonstrate I'll do that in a few seconds.
	So I thought that I was discovering this new application of Tai Chi, and I was severely criticized, except by one Tai Chi master who very cryptically walked over to me and said, listen, I know what you're doing, but you haven't discovered anything.
	What you've discovered is not new.
	What you've discovered is where Tai Chi really came from.
	And then he just walked away.
	And he left me with that.
	And then I discovered the poem.
	This was in 77.
	And in 78, I found the poem.
	I started reading it, and I started seeing names and titles that correspond to the movements of the Tai Chi form, like Jinji, the golden cock.
	That was a title that only the emperor could assume, because it was forgotten.
	It was forbidden to write the Emperor's name.
	Only the Emperor...
	It was sacred.
	Writing is sacred.
	It's been corrupted in our time.
	But the name.
	Only the Emperor's name could be...
	Only the Emperor could say his own name, write his own name, and only an intimate could say it.
	So they used titles.
	Son of Heaven, Dragon King, Goldencock.
	So I see Goldencock.
	And then I see this name, An Lushan.
	And then I see this princess, Yang Guifei, and I start to see the whole thing.
	How could I have so many references in this one poem to Tai Chi Chuan?
	Now, Tai Chi is called the oldest martial art in the world, but the first written record of it comes out around 1100 during the Song Dynasty.
	Yet, that's not that far away from me.
	And then I find this poem, and now I realize, wow!
	This is the original Tai Chi Chuan.
	So I start investigating the history of the Tang Dynasty, this Princess Yang Guifei, the Emperor Xuanzong, whose name means mysterious ancestor.
	And lo and behold, I find this Chinese history book that says that the Tang Emperor Xuanzong And this is written in the official Tang Dynasty history.
	The emperor of China, who lived in Xi'an, where those 10,000 clay soldiers had been found, he claimed that on one night a moon ship came down and alighted on the ramparts of his castle.
	And the moon people He came out and invited him to go to the moon, to a place called Panglai Shan, which is the Isle of the Blessed or Fairyland.
	And he said, sure.
	He describes the moon ship taking off and looking.
	The castle was here and, I would say, towns or tent towns grew and markets were around.
	And he said he could see the people cooking their dinners and the campfires and the tents and people wrestling and practicing kung fu and they went to the moon.
	And when he was on the moon, he was entertained by the most beautiful fairy And when he got off the moon ship,
	he was so excited.
	He said to his wife, Darling, you've got to learn this dance.
	I went to heaven and I saw the fairies dancing this dance and I want you to learn it before I forget it.
	And I heard this music that I'm going to write down before I forget it.
	And so this music and this dance became a vogue in the Tang Dynasty Chord.
	And it was a kind of spinning whirling dervish dance and a mystical dance because apparently the more perfectly you spun The higher the spiritual experience, almost like the communion of Sufis.
	The Sufis stand in the same way and they say they see God, they meet the beloved.
	But in time, this dance led to the princess bringing into The palace, a man named Don Lushan, who was a foreigner, and in order to bring him into the palace, she adopted him.
	She was a young girl, but he was her mentor.
	He got her, he actually sold her to the emperor.
	He found a beautiful scullery maid in a kitchen.
	It's really beautiful.
	I can dress her up and maybe sell her to the emperor.
	So he did that, and the emperor fell in love with her and took her in.
	So in order for her to return the favor, she adopted this much older man as her son.
	And he started a revolution and he tried to overthrow the emperor, which led to the fall of the Tang Dynasty.
	Oh, I see.
	And as a result, the soldiers wouldn't fight for the emperor to defend his kingdom unless he got rid of the princess and her whole family.
	And the princess was hanged by her own silk scarves And when I realized that, I realized what my Tai Chi masters have been teaching me.
	There's a movement, if I may back up, let me see if I can get back up.
	There's a movement in Tai Chi called the Fair Lady Weaving at the Shuttle.
	It's like this.
	It goes in four directions.
	And then in the final corner is like this.
	And the master said to me, now, when you do this last one, hang, drop, lengthen your neck as if you're being hanged by silken scarves.
	And I realized, my God!
	Somebody saw her die!
	And she was trying to get the silken scarves and strangling her leg.
	She died.
	And I became a devotee of the Princess Yang Guifei.
	And in 1986, I went to China and I went to her grave and I took a big risk because I went into the forbidden region of China.
	I hired, I convinced some Chinese taxi drivers.
	That they had to take me.
	I paid them, and it was midnight, and it was an adventure, and I said, come on, listen, man.
	I've come all the way from New York, from America, to pay my respects to the Princess Yang Weifei, and these guys took a risk, and we went off in a car going through the Chinese countryside in Xi'an.
	You know, Xi'an is really this region where the ancient capital was, where the 10,000 soldiers were, and also A region with vast pyramid complexes.
	The biggest pyramid is not in Egypt.
	The biggest pyramid in the world is in China.
	It's called the White Pyramid.
	And instead of building with stones, what the Chinese did is they went to a mountain and they shaved off the mountain and flattened four sides to create the White Pyramid.
	It was discovered by an American airman who was lost over China in a In a reconnaissance plane in World War II, everything was whited out.
	He didn't know where he was, so he went down through the clouds.
	When he broke through the clouds, he saw this giant pyramid, and the US Army got these photographs.
	He made a spin around the pyramid, took a bunch of pictures.
	I think you can find one of the pictures on Wikipedia if you look up the white pyramid.
	Very, very interesting.
	I'm wondering, what is your fascination?
	Because you learn the Chinese language, which is, I'm told, quite difficult to do.
	And I think that's quite an achievement.
	And I think it's such a beautiful, you know, the writing is so beautiful.
	And I also think that it probably opens up...
	Let's see, what they would say, the right hemisphere of the brain.
	And so I think that gives you a great deal of balance.
	So what I would wonder is, though, what led you to China and to learning Chinese, etc.?
	Well, Tai Chi Chuan is what led me to it, because there has been and there was a very deep prejudice against Westerners being taught the great secrets.
	And most Kung Fu schools and most Tai Chi schools would teach a white foreign devil just so much and not give the secrets, you know?
	But the secret's in the books.
	So if you can read the book, you can get the real teachings.
	So I said, but honestly, I admired and I loved my teachers very much.
	They were very highly spiritual and very noble men.
	And I wanted to understand how the Chinese thought.
	And I'll tell you honestly, Chinese was the easiest language that I've ever studied.
	I speak Spanish.
	I'm very good at English.
	I speak French.
	And I studied Latin in high school.
	But why would you say Chinese is easy?
	Is it because it's pictorial?
	No, because there are no declensions.
	There's no conjugation.
	There are no tenses.
	The same verb form for every person, the same verb form for past, present, and future.
	It's very unusual.
	The way the Chinese seek time is not like we seek time.
	They live in another realm of time, their concepts of happening.
	It's very different.
	I recommend it to everyone.
	It is one of the satisfying things that you can ever engage in.
	And then when you get into the pictographs, you are then working on the other side of your brain.
	Because what we do in English is we draw a picture of the sound.
	We draw a picture of the sound, and then we hear the sound in our heads, and that gives us the meaning, and that's over here where the hearing is.
	When the Chinese draw, or the word, quote-unquote, the character for horse, it's actually a modern stylized version of a creature with a mane and four legs running.
	Water is a drop.
	Yeah, well, I don't know if you know that I was recently in Hong Kong, and I met and spoke with many Chinese from China, inner China, however you want to term that, and I find it a fascinating culture,
	or group of cultures, and I could see that the language, the writing, actually are pictures, and you can see Actions and activities and things in the pictures.
	The other interesting thing is there are 214 basic concepts, and so with these two, the radicals, that's the root of the word.
	So then you'll have a radical, and then the nuance is made by putting other characters alongside.
	For example, the word for hearing.
	It's the first character is an ear, the second character is the king, and the third character is the word.
	So the word listening is hearing the word of the king.
	Yes, or hearing the Word of God.
	Now, I want to have you on that subject.
	Yes.
	I want to tell you something.
	Are you familiar with that UFO, quote-unquote, hoax called the UMO? Yes.
	U-M-M-O. Remember?
	They had UFO pictures in Spain.
	They were taken in Spain, and there was a UFO with a character on the bottom.
	Well, yes.
	I mean, I know the name of it, but I don't know the actual picture of that UFO. Okay.
	Well, it was a UFO with a particular design on the bottom, which I did not know at the time because I hadn't been studying Chinese.
	But basically, it looks kind of like that.
	Three horizontal lines joined by a vertical.
	If you took my palm away, you'd see it.
	Okay?
	Okay.
	That character I have found On beams that were purportedly wreckage from the Roswell crash.
	I have found it in paintings of UFOs that floated up on the shore in Japan.
	This famous story of a UFO floating up in the 1800s and a woman coming out of the UFO and maybe fixing it.
	And there were characters on the craft and they copied them.
	The king is there.
	I found a picture of a moon base, and what do we have there?
	We have the same character on the ground with a circle around it.
	Now, when I was learning Chinese, I was going to ask the professor this question about what does this mean, but before I got to ask him the question, he was right Board, and he used that very word to listen.
	So he drew the ear, he drew the sign of the king, and then he said, by the way, this over here, the three horizontals with the vertical, this is the sign of the king.
	Then he took his chalk and he put a circle around it, and he said, and when there's a circle around it, it means the king of the world.
	So, we are living in very deep mystery.
	Yes, I appreciate that.
	Why do they call it Chang'o?
	Who is Chang'o?
	Chang'o was a Chinese woman, maybe a princess, She and her husband were tinkering with alchemy and the pill of immortality and they concocted it and each of them was supposed to eat a half of it.
	But she thought she was going to be found out so she took the whole pill and she started floating And levitating.
	And then the story was that a six foot tall gray rabbit kidnapped her and took her to the moon.
	So when we see the moon, we say the man on the moon.
	The Chinese see the rabbit on the moon.
	And that's why they call their current lander Yutu.
	Chang'o and Yutu.
	Chang'o is the craft.
	The rover is the Yutu.
	That's the rabbit.
	And on the way to the moon, Apollo 11 was asked by Houston to keep an eye out for Chang'o.
	That's when I learned who Chang'o was, 1969.
	It was a very strange transmission.
	I'd like to keep an eye out for this princess.
	Her name is Chang'o.
	Several thousand years ago, she was abducted to the moon by a six-foot-tall gray rabbit, and if you see her around, let us know.
	And there's no giggle on the return.
	Yeah, well, I can appreciate that.
	You know, I've gone onto the internet, I've got the UMO ship here, and you're saying this is a hoax?
	No, no, people say it's a hoax.
	I reserve judgment.
	I just think that it's very strange for someone in Spain, this was supposed to occur in Spain and France, the UMO contactees.
	Very strange to have stumbled upon a UFO that had a gigantic Chinese character on the bottom that means the king.
	And then my teacher taking the chalk and making a circle around it and saying, you know, this means the king of the world.
	I'll tell you one more thing.
	In 1993, an Italian producer went to Russia and had a meeting at a military base with one of the top generals in the Russian UFO field.
	And this is after communism fell and they were really free to talk for the first time.
	So he enlisted the general.
	At this military base, which was the repository of some of the top UFO films and photos that the Russians had in possession, a diplomat from the equivalent of the Russian State Department and a KGB officer.
	And he had this meeting, which he filmed, and they discuss all of this, they show the films, they show UFOs, Balls of light that come and fuse and then they go this way and then one takes off this way and then they merge and then they go off.
	Some things that we've heard repeatedly.
	But then at the end of the conference, it's obvious that they know UFOs exist, that aliens are visiting.
	And the Italian producer turns to the KGB guy and he says, well, you know, you know all these things and why won't you tell your people?
	And the KGB man starts to squirm and kind of, you can see he's really uncomfortable about coming out with it.
	He says, well...
	The reason we can't tell the people is that we believe that these UFOs signify the second coming of Christ.
	And we can't tell the people that.
	Because for 75 years, we've been telling them that there's no God, there's no spirituality, but that's what they believe.
	Okay.
	Well, that may be one point of view.
	Did you ever meet Valerie Uvarov?
	No, I haven't.
	Do you know who he is?
	No, I don't.
	Okay.
	Well, he was the head of the Russian UFO desk for quite some time, and we interviewed him a while back.
	I don't know.
	I don't think he's doing that same job now, but I'm just curious whether you ever met him.
	So, do you speak Russian?
	Well, I read some Russian.
	I don't speak it.
	I have a lot of Russian friends in New York over the last 22 to 23 years.
	I've had a lot of Russian friends and contacts.
	I do know a Romanian cosmonaut.
	I will tell you.
	All right.
	Well, do you know Peter Moon?
	And do you know about the story of, you know, of all of that, the Sphinx in Romania and all that?
	Oh, yes.
	I don't know Peter Moon personally.
	I know the work and I'm very intrigued by that.
	But this Romanian cosmonaut is no ordinary person.
	He is the chairman of the United Nations Committee for the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space.
	I was invited on October 14, 2010, to attend the awarding of the Leonov Medal to Ambassador Mazlan Othman.
	The Ambassador for Outer Space Affairs for the United Nations.
	And I met the chairman and I met Ambassador Othman at this award.
	And I got to ask a few questions.
	And Mr.
	Propriotu and I hit it off before the program began.
	And we had nice conversations.
	And then there was the panel.
	And it came question and answers.
	And I said to Mr.
	Propriotu, Does the UN have plans for a contingency of encountering life in outer space?
	And he smiled.
	He beamed like I had thrown him the perfect pitch, you know?
	And he said, well, the United Nations has many plans and many protocols for many contingencies, including life in outer space, but even microbial life.
	And as he was going to get into it, I saw, you know, the panel was five people.
	I saw these shoulders go...
	Like that.
	And the voice said, Excuse me, I'd like to say something.
	I'd like to say something.
	I have to say something.
	And it was Madam Offman.
	Maslan Offman had interrupted Mr.
	Priyatu in his answer to me.
	She said to me.
	Because I had introduced myself to her and we'd shaken hands and talked and I told her I was the editor of UFO Digest so she knew where I was coming from.
	So she stops his answer and she says...
	Nothing on this subject is ever going to reach the floor of the United Nations General Assembly unless it is sponsored by one of three organizations.
	It's got to be sponsored by either the International Association of Astronomy, The International Association of Astronautics or the International Association of Science.
	If one of these three bodies does not sponsor it, it will never be spoken of at the floor of the United Nations.
	Okay, well that's very interesting.
	My witness, Mark Richards, talks about the UN and that they deal with UFOs and ETs all the time and they have all kinds of rules and laws that they've established on that circumstance.
	So I have to say that what she was talking about was obviously reaching the floor, in other words, reaching the people.
	Well, yeah, public stuff.
	Yes.
	Also, the United Nations does not call UFOs UFOs.
	They call them ultra-high-frequency objects.
	UHFOs.
	So, you know, the jargon is very important because if you write to the Air Force and you ask for UFOs, they say, we got no UFOs.
	But if you say UFOs, You know, UFOB or fast walker or any of those, then it's another case.
	So the jargon is very important in keeping up the cover-up.
	If you don't know the secret word, you know, you can ask all day and you won't get what you're looking for.
	Okay, you know, we've been going for a while, but I still want to ask you about your information about Mars, because I know you were talking about that in another interview, and I'd like you to talk about what it is you think you know about Mars and why.
	Well, I think my personal belief is that we did not originate on this planet, and I believe that a Martian strain of humanity migrated here and created a hybrid Martian Earthling, which is us.
	That Mars was civilized or populated by an intelligent race and that asteroid impacts or an interplanetary war destroyed it and its ecosystem, but enough of a Martian remnant was able to escape and the survivors landed on Earth And became the gods of the netherworld.
	For example, Egypt, the Egyptians, the original nine gods.
	I believe they may have come from Mars.
	And for that reason, they were their underworld gods, because Mars is so much farther away from the Earth that the sunlight is dimmer, it's a much colder place, and coming to Earth is extremely bright, extremely hot.
	So that they had to Quote, survive and thrive underground.
	So that led to this idea of phonic gods, underworld gods.
	And as far-fetched as this idea may seem to you, go and see the movie Mission to Mars.
	Which had the full cooperation of NASA in its production.
	And in the last scene, when they go into the face on Mars and they enter the room with the hologram, you see the solar system and everything that I've just told you is depicted there.
	But I came to these conclusions before that movie was made.
	So I was thrilled to see the asteroid go under...
	What's his name?
	Ken...
	Sinisi.
	Oh, yes.
	Nictus and Easy.
	Gary Sin Easy.
	Gary.
	Well, he goes into the room and the asteroid goes under his armpit and hits the planet and you see the shockwave wrap around the planet destroying it.
	Then you see all the ships leaving and going toward a particular star but you see the goddess.
	She sent one little ship that went to Earth and dropped into the ocean and life sprung out in the oceans and propagated.
	I think in a nutshell, if you see that movie, you will appreciate what I'm saying and see that NASA cooperated with the producers to tell that variation of human evolution.
	I have found a place, if you heard me on Coast to Coast last February, I believe, I was talking about the Dingo Gap.
	I call it the Martian Junkyard.
	I found so many objects in the Dingo Gap that looked.
	Geometrically carved stones.
	Boxes.
	There's one part that looks to me like moss and lichen.
	Huge rolls of it.
	I'm facetious sometimes, but I use terms that are easy for people to understand.
	So I said astroturf on Mars.
	Big rolls of astroturf on Mars.
	And my friend Rami Bar-Elam.
	Go to Facebook.
	He's an Israeli researcher.
	I think he's a Martian.
	He has eyes, and he has a passion for it.
	Rami Bar-Elam has a website, a Facebook page, and he has the most incredible collection of Martian artifacts that he's discovered.
	And I want to tell you one more thing that he and a gentleman in Holland, I believe Brian Hopkins, have done.
	They found an artifact on Mars.
	A gadget lying on the ground.
	And the angle of the sunlight is so perfect that the object looks almost three-dimensional.
	And what they did is they took that image from the Mars rover and they put it into a computer and a CAD-CAM system.
	And they have actually taken that, analyzed it in the computer-aided design software, and transferred it to a 3D printer, and they've got the gadget here on Earth.
	That's great.
	And it looks to me like something that fell off an airplane, like an F-16, you know?
	Okay, now who's they?
	Huh?
	Who's they?
	When you say they've got the object, they...
	They is Brian Hopkins and Rami Bar-Elam.
	Okay, and Rodney, how do you spell his last name?
	Rami is R-A-M-I-B-A-R and I-L-A-M. Rami Bar-Elam.
	Ah, okay.
	Okay?
	And his friend is Brian Hopkins.
	He doesn't have a page to my knowledge.
	Okay.
	Well, actually, I'm putting his page here on the internet so people can see what he's showing.
	So what he's got here are photographs from Mars, right?
	Yes, they're photographs from the rovers.
	And he takes them and he enhances them and he improves them.
	And he has discovered something.
	Okay, very interesting.
	Yes, I see that.
	Okay, cool.
	Well, you know, I'm sure people have been doing this for a while now.
	I guess you might know Andrew Bushago has been doing this and others.
	You know, I can never see what he saw.
	He's always saying, oh, there's a dinosaur in this picture.
	I don't see it.
	I'm a little dubious of his eyesight.
	I can't see what he's talking about in those pictures.
	Well, I can see they're using some similar pictures, both he and Rodney, for example.
	But he may be seeing something different than what Rodney is seeing, and I'm not sure what they're doing.
	But Camelot interviewed a young boy named Bariska, who was Russianed, Do you remember Bariska?
	This barisca is very important because it may not be that he's a reincarnated Martian.
	I believe that in our DNA, we carry the entire memory of our ontogeny.
	That our entire, all our antecedents memories are in our DNA, archived.
	And I've had the experience where this knowledge erupted suddenly and came to mind and I felt like I remembered a memory of an ancient ancestor who was in a cave and attacked by a giant insect.
	His reaction saved him, flying backwards out of the cave, and that reflex was ingrained in the neck.
	Well, was it an ancient ancestor, or was it you?
	Well, I am my ancestor.
	Right.
	I am my ancestor.
	Well, maybe more literally than you might.
	So when people say I was Cleopatra or I was Napoleon, it could be some illegitimate offspring and the Cleopatra gene is floating around.
	And how many descendants of Ramesses the Great are walking the earth today when he had 88 children?
	So, you know, the mystery of the human body and the human soul, we're only scratching at the surface now.
	So, all we have to do is listen inside.
	I said the other day, you know, God is within, you know?
	God is not outside.
	Christ is not coming from out there.
	You know, He's waiting for you to find Him inside yourself.
	I think of ourselves as Christ eggs that haven't hatched.
	Yeah, we are the second coming of Christ.
	Humanity, getting Christ consciousness.
	Yes.
	So, I'm looking on the chat just because we've been going almost about two hours just quite and seeing if there's any questions.
	So, I'm going to give the people there a chance to type their questions quickly into the chat if they have any questions.
	We've got Robert with us, and he's extremely knowledgeable, let me say that, in all areas.
	So really your questions can run the gamut.
	I don't know if you've heard about Captain K, who is a guy who came forward.
	He's saying that he worked on Mars as a Marine.
	I heard that, yes.
	Yes, I interviewed him as well.
	He's an interesting guy.
	Yes, you know what?
	The movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind was a joint Steven Spielberg-CIA project.
	Yes.
	One of the most powerful scenes in the movie are those red jumpsuited people with white hair who are saying that prayer, you know, and before they get on the bus or the exchange group.
	Yes.
	So I do believe that we, you know, the secret space program It's secret, but you know, there's kind of logical ideas as to what they would engage in in secrecy.
	And bases on the moon or travel to Mars.
	Distinct possibility.
	Yes, absolutely.
	I don't believe Obama went to Mars.
	I don't believe Satya went to Mars, honestly.
	I may believe that this marine may have gone to Mars.
	Even in kind of a virtual reality mode.
	Okay, let's see.
	Somebody is asking me, can Robert elaborate on Lady Fire DNA of the XY? I don't know what she's referring to exactly unless she's referring to Woman X, the DNA of Woman X, the Denisova hominid.
	I don't know if people know that a certain fossilized finger was found in Siberia many years ago, and it's been analyzed.
	The DNA has been analyzed, and they found that This entity did not have the same matrilineal descent that the rest of us do from Lucy.
	You know, the matrilineal DNA, the whole Western world, we're all coming from the primordial Eve.
	Well, so they say.
	I'm not so sure that's accurate, to be honest.
	What?
	What?
	That we all come from Lucy.
	Well, obviously not.
	They found the Denisovans.
	And there is one group of people on this planet, the Melanesians, who are descendants of this different matrilineal DNA. Melanesian people.
	Do not have the same metrolinium descent that the rest of us do.
	And this is also very interesting.
	The most recent findings regarding DNA suggest that the white, so-called white race, the Caucasian race, probably sprung up from the crossing of Neanderthal with proto-hominid.
	And the proof in the DNA studies that I've been reading say that Africans have no Neanderthal in them and every Caucasian has Neanderthal genes in them.
	Well, I have heard actually a little bit different on that, but you've got sort of part of the story.
	My understanding is there is a human who does have Neanderthal genes, and they are a part of the white race, but they also have red hair.
	And for this information, you can also see Graham Hancock, who did some investigation in this area, and then scientists have been finding that this is the case.
	So the Neanderthal gene crops up most often in people with red hair.
	And that's very interesting.
	This gets into why the sort of Luminati want to marry a red with a black, if you're familiar with that occult ritual.
	And the black does not have the Neanderthal gene.
	The red does.
	And so they're trying to create a human hybrid.
	In terms of bigotry, I have a lot of...
	I grew up in New York and I have friends of all ethnicities.
	And I found out in the 1960s when I had these friends that there is a deep prejudice in the black community toward red-haired African Americans.
	And one such person was Malcolm X. Malcolm X. You're saying he had red hair?
	Or are you saying he was prejudiced against him?
	No, they were prejudiced against him because he had red hair.
	Actually, when I was talking about...
	I have a derogatory term for them that I will not repeat.
	Okay, but when I was talking about the black with the red, actually a black is a blonde.
	Is a, you know, is a white-skinned, you know, could be brown hair, dark brown, or white.
	Oh, you're referring to hair color?
	No, it's, well, this isn't a cult.
	It has to do with the bloodlines.
	It's a designation that they call.
	It looks like you don't have any red hair, right?
	I had reddish auburn hair when I was a younger man.
	Oh, you did?
	Okay.
	My hair color was, I would say, similar to President Kennedy's.
	Reddish auburn, brown.
	Okay.
	Well, then you might have some of the DNA from the Neanderthal.
	But if you don't, if you have another color of hair and the other kind of pigment of skin and eyes, It has to do with an Illuminati ritual.
	It's not depicting black skin.
	In other words, it's a designation of...
	They use these designations of red, black, and white.
	Have you heard of that?
	I would like to learn more about it.
	Perhaps you can send me some links.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, anyway.
	So, I'm liking to see if there's anything else here.
	What do you think about the DNA activation and many more strands being activated at this time?
	One of the persons is asking.
	I believe that it is possible through meditation, alchemy, shamanism to boost your DNA and actually to access that racial memory.
	I feel that that is something that happened to me in 1974.
	It began.
	It's almost like Alka-Seltzer.
	You know, you have the Alka-Seltzer there and you drop it in the water.
	When you have the reaction, it starts to percolate.
	Then it dissolves and there you have your new drink.
	I believe that we may be able to trigger or trip a lot of my...
	Discoveries have proceeded from a certain kind of knowing, a certainty, a knowing that I had, and then finding the proofs.
	A lot of my work involves that.
	The idea erupts within me.
	I like to call it my two cents of common sense, and I follow that.
	And then I look for the proof to prove myself right.
	Or prove myself wrong.
	If I'm proven wrong, I am grateful.
	Because that is a course correction.
	And I appreciate course corrections.
	No one knows everything.
	Nobody's 100% right.
	Knowledge is evolving.
	And it changes.
	What was true 100 years ago, quote-unquote, is not true today.
	And what we take to be true today will not be true 100 years from now.
	Because we're advancing in degrees.
	Okay, one other person wants to know if you know anything about Planet X or Nubiru.
	I know something about Planet X in terms of the work that was done in the early 1980s when it was originally discovered by a well-known astronomer.
	You mean Robert Harrington?
	Yes, I know about that.
	Dr.
	Harrington, I believe his information.
	And then, of course, people went after him to debunk Planet X. But I'm not sure that Planet X and Nibiru are the same thing.
	I also know that it was announced a few years ago that NASA is actually tracking a brown dwarf, that we have this partner, the Sun.
	You know, one of the things they say is that most stars are binary systems.
	And that our sun has a binary partner, but it's a brown dwarf.
	It's a sun that didn't, or burned out.
	And it's wandering around out there beyond the Oort cloud.
	And I also know a NASA, a former NASA science officer who He was kicked out of NASA for walking into a room and seeing something that he was not supposed to see.
	And he was fired and he described it to me as they were tracking a really unique star that was being towed someplace else by something else.
	And that's all I'll say about it.
	There's a lot more, you know, there is a dark star out there.
	Yes.
	But I don't know that Planet X, I don't believe that Planet X, because Planet X is one thing and Nibiru is another.
	I'm not sure that the same thing.
	Yeah, okay.
	But I'm open to more information.
	All right.
	Excellent.
	So, well, thank you so much, Robert Morningstar.
	I mean, Robert Morningstar.
	A lot of people call me Morningstar.
	You know, they've been confusing him and I for 30 years.
	Well, I want to interview him as well.
	He's a lovely man, and you are too.
	And I really thank you so much for your wonderful amount of knowledge.
	And I think that you're sort of a hidden gem out there.
	And I just want to let people know about that because I see the markings and the indications in all your work that you're a very wise soul.
	And so I want to thank you very much for coming on the show.
	And thank you for doing all the work that you do.
	Thank you for your kind words.
	All right.

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