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Jan. 13, 2015 - Project Camelot
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PROJECT CAMELOT: WALTER BOSLEY, RE TEMPLAR MYSTERY
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Well, thanks for having me on, Cario.
I really appreciate it.
I'm looking forward to our talk this evening.
I basically am a former national security guy.
I worked for two different agencies plus another company as a contractor.
I was a federal agent for the Air Force.
I was a counterintelligence specialist for the FBI, and I was a counterterrorism personnel consultant and worked all over the world for about five or six years, going to wonderful places, helping keep people safe from bad guys. helping keep people safe from bad guys.
But I've always been interested in writing.
I've always continued my writing in that time and decided to pursue that about 10 years ago.
In that time, I've discovered some interesting things and I've been writing about them, some of which we're going to talk about tonight.
No, but I do remote viewing.
I learned how to do that, and I had astonishing results, and I found that I do that fairly well.
I've come close, specifically with Empire of the Wheel.
I've had interest from a major cable director-producer who has worked for a major cable network.
And that's kind of, you know, in progress, you might say.
But, yeah, I think so, too.
I think they make, you know, a heck of a dramatic telling.
Because, you know, truth sometimes is much more dramatic and definitely stranger than fiction.
Okay.
Now I'm being told that there is no audio from me, so...
I'm not sure why that is or what makes it an issue.
So I'm not sure what to do here.
I've tried to get this audio thing going.
It should be working.
Okay, now there's audio someone is saying, I think.
Okay, so at this point, what I'd like to do is kind of give an introduction to your secret missions book and talk about why you decided to go down this road to begin with because it's, well, it's very, very interesting material and I don't know where you're leading.
Ah, well...
I'll tell you, I wasn't sure where I was leading initially.
It was just kind of a, here it is, what do you think about this?
And then the more I dug into it, the more I realized, oh, this does have a direction.
But what's interesting about this particular book, Secret Missions...
The hidden legacy of old California is that the information in the book, the very idea for the book, started coming to me in 2007.
Before I had even discovered the Empire of the Wheel mystery, when I had just started remote viewing, and when I was doing follow-up and finishing the Disneyland Kingdom, some very interesting material directly associated with Juan Cabrillo was coming through in the remote viewing data and in my actual material research.
And I continued to put this information, this data aside, and as I went through the Empire of the Wheel mystery, more of it emerged so that there is a, I don't want to say a loose connection, but better probably a peripheral connection to the whole Juan Cabrillo mystery thing.
That is discussed in this book, Secret Missions.
And what happened was Empire of the Wheel was such a big monster to attack that I attacked that first.
I wanted to get those books done.
And I found myself this summer, having finished Empire of the Wheel 3, And I knew that I had decided that I wanted the Empire of the Wheelbooks to be a trilogy, and there's kind of a thematic reason for that.
They greatly involved the ancient goddess Hecate, and her main mysterious relic, which is discussed in the book, and all this other stuff piled up, and I thought, well, you know what?
While I'm on a roll, I might as well just go ahead and write the Cabrillo book.
That's how I refer to it, is the Cabrillo book or the California book.
And it really was written...
This book, Secret Missions, is a lot like Empire of the Wheel 2, Friends from Sonora, in that it was written in kind of a white heat, you might say.
The difference between this and EOW2 is that, as I stated before, the information in this book was piling up over the course of probably five years.
And so I had to write it.
Okay, well, but you say you were this character, Cabrillo, kept coming up.
And is it because you felt that he...
Because I know that in the course of the book, actually he doesn't even show up in the book until near the end.
The third part, yeah.
And I actually went to Caprio Junior College in Northern California when I was younger.
And so I don't know where that name came from.
And it looks like you tried to trace it as well in terms of his lineage.
And it sounds like maybe that's...
I don't know if I remember correctly, that may not even be his original last name.
But at any rate, I was wondering, like, why the sort of fixation of the sort of seed of the whole mystery?
I mean, it wasn't clear that he was such an interesting character.
Now, maybe I didn't get that right.
Or maybe it's...
It's an inability to find it.
He's a huge mystery.
Cabrillo is his known name, but it technically does not fit.
His background being from Spain, it does not fit his background being from Portugal, which is why I began to look elsewhere for his origin, because his origin is a complete mystery.
Here you have a man who appears on the pages of history already 19 years old, a young man, but in those days...
A 19 year old in those days was much more mature than the 19 year olds of today.
That's for sure.
And he was already arriving in the Caribbean.
As part of an army that was sent to arrest Hernan Cortes in New Spain or Mexico.
And he is part of that force and he's so impressed with Cortes and what's going on in the New World that he...
Jump ship with the Vias, I believe is the pronunciation, and joins up with Cortez, which is an interesting story in itself.
Well, he goes on to build his reputation as a soldier, and then as a landowner and a miner, and then, of course, his big...
Claim to fame is being given the command of the expedition to explore what was called Alta, California, or Upper California.
That's north of today's Baja.
And that, of course, is what he's known for today, is being the first European to explore California.
And, you know, if you've grown up in California, you've gone to school here, you get your California history, and Cabrillo...
It doesn't seem that interesting.
He just seems like another Spanish conquistador who explored the state, and that was it.
But when you look closer, and particularly from a particular perspective, you begin to see big clues that there was something going on with this guy.
When he dies on the expedition, It is reported that he's buried on Catalina Island, and yet, to this day, no remains, no gravesite, nothing is found of him.
He appeared in history at 19 years old, nothing known of his birth, and he left history allegedly dying on an island, which is a vacation resort, and has certainly been explored, you know, with a fine-tooth comb, and his remains...
Are nowhere to be found.
And he disappears as mysteriously as he entered, you know, the pages of history.
So that makes him a pretty interesting guy, actually, from the get-go.
Okay.
Let's see.
I'm not sure what...
If what's going on, they're saying there's a bit of an echo at your end, and I don't know where it's coming from.
This is a new headset, so I might not be used to the microphone.
Yeah, I mean, you're fine at my end.
This is just the recording that seems to be, maybe it's picking up a lot of whatever.
But the audio sounds fine over here.
What Tommy, my webmaster, is monitoring is the broadcast.
So he's trying to make sure that for people out there that they're hearing a good quality sound.
And I think that there's also a chat room alongside the broadcast.
So if people want to put stuff in the chat, About the kind of what they're hearing.
That would help.
So please feel free to do that.
And I'm going to see if we can bring this up again on my other screen to see if this is actually working again here.
So, okay.
Are you...
Are you okay?
Ready to go, Walter?
Oh, yes.
Okay.
So what I wanted to ask you was, okay, given that this guy is mysterious, your plot seems to be all about these vaults that the Templar put in place going across the United States.
And do you want to talk a little bit about that part of things?
Sure, that's a theory of mine that the Templars, having brought valuable material possessions, including relics, They had to secure them.
So getting them across the water to the Americas was the first major step, but they couldn't just leave them under a tree or put them in the hollow of a tree.
So I suggest that not only did they build special vaults, But the emphasis is on special because some of the relics may have required the vaults to be of a very special construction.
And of course I get into one of those relics in the book.
The now secret Templar organization to get to a particular vault.
And become possibly the custodian of a very special relic.
Right.
Now, I suppose you don't mind my starting to talk about the Excalibur, the sword?
No, no, not at all.
The book goes into the greater detail as to what I call the Excalibur sword as a type, how it plays in this drama with this Juan Cabrillo and individual.
And it's the reason why, in my theory, that the vaults would have been built a certain way because the Excalibur sword, so to speak, would have been an object of, or would be, if it truly is, an object of great technological power.
And it would require a very special vault, much like, you know, we require nuclear material to be encased.
In a proper fashion, this object would also have required it.
And the Templars, the book suggests, built these vaults in connection to the Taluric current world grid of the planet.
And that right there is a clue to...
The technology of this sword, of this particular object, and other objects that are discussed in the book, but primarily I focus on this sword because it's information about this sword that was coming through in my research.
And the information that you have is also that this is Joan of Arc's sword as well.
I think so, yes.
And that, you know, I mean, I guess you're aware.
I don't know.
It's interesting because you kind of start your investigations from the opposite end that most people would.
It seems like.
So many people focus on the sword and then they start investigating from the sword.
You start with a completely different angle and you end up at the sword.
Would you say that's a correct description of what goes on?
Sure, because it's interesting.
When you're dealing with these kinds of things, I have found when I'm dealing with them, is that the mystery for you as the investigator doesn't start at the beginning.
And lead you through chronological order to the end.
What happens is, you stumble across a clue that could be mid-stream in the whole thing.
Or you're working on something else entirely, and you come across this other mystery that's kind of, you know, on another line slightly askew to the one you're following.
And you go back to it, and you realize, okay, there's this much of the line or the thread...
That's behind me and this much that's in front of me.
Where am I at right now?
Okay.
You know, then you go backwards and forwards and you try to put it all together, which, you know, is what I try to do.
I felt that Juan Cabrillo...
It was the mystery that led me into this whole thing that the book is about, and that's why I made him the focus of the third part, because I really wanted to bring that human, personal level to the end.
I wanted the reader to be able to put all this together and then understand I think he cared so much about...
Yeah, California, new real estate for Spain, all well and good, okay, whatever.
He was looking for something much more important.
And as I see it in the book, I don't think he died on the expedition.
I think he survived it, and I explain in greater detail why and what I think might have happened afterwards.
Okay, but there's also sort of, I guess, if I recall correctly, it seemed that the sword was left somewhere in the San Francisco Bay Area, or he found it, didn't Make mention of it and there was no record of him finding it and then took it with him when he left California and went back, I guess, down south.
Would you say that's accurate?
It's possible, but actually what I say in the book is that I think that the The place that the sword was at before California was actually more likely in the vicinity of South Mountain in Phoenix, Arizona.
And then at some point it was brought to Mount Rubidoux in Riverside, California.
And it was either in Mount Rubidoux...
Or it was in another location, which I won't disclose because it's private property, when Cabrillo came to it, came in possession of it.
However, I... I disagree with historians who claim that he missed the San Francisco Bay entirely.
That is a very interesting part of his expedition, an interesting part of the book.
Basically, I think that that's one of the parts he fudged.
You've always heard this...
You know, the captain keeps two logs, you know, the one that he turns in, the one that people know about, and then the real logs, the secret one.
I think that this was a case of, you know, you have his ship, the flagship, okay?
Wow, gets, you know, blown away from the other two ships.
He's got a very small fleet.
It's only three ships.
It gets blown away from the other two conveniently south of the San Francisco Bay.
And is separated from the other two ships for several days, and he allegedly, you know, according to the logs now, this is history, only sails up, or he sails up totally missing the San Francisco Bay, but he finds the mouth of what is today the Russian River.
Unless I'm getting that wrong, I've written three books since I wrote that this summer, so if I get the name of the river wrong, I apologize.
I think that's right.
Which is way smaller than the entrance to San Francisco Bay.
And we shall believe that going up to the mouth of that river, north of the San Francisco Bay, and coming back down, he misses the San Francisco Bay opening both times.
I'm not buying it.
Okay, well, actually, the Russian River is south of San Francisco.
Well, actually, no, you're right.
It's north of San Francisco.
So, yeah, I mean, if that's the river you're talking about, then, you know, I don't know how wide that mouth is, but I agree with you.
I think that there is some very suspicious goings on in there, and there's no way to miss San Francisco Bay.
Even in rough weather, I argue that...
Oh, and then we have the other aspect, and the book goes into this too.
He was hugging the coastline tightly.
At one point, so it doesn't make sense.
And the book goes into greater detail than we can here as to why I think he did not miss San Francisco Bay.
And he entered the bay, I think, and was definitely looking for something up there, which I am researching now, and it might be discussed in a future book.
Because that was kind of a late discovery for me, thanks very much to a colleague.
I wasn't able to, in the book, go in depth as to what I think he was looking for up there.
But I think there was something up there.
But the sword, I'm convinced that the sword was, you know...
In South Mountain before going to Mount Rubidoux and then another location.
And then from there, of course, Cabrillo either stayed where it was until he died or he took it to its next place and then stayed with it there.
For all I know, the sword now could be on an island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
Sorry about that.
Okay.
We're...
Okay.
Anyway, I don't know why you would think that he...
I mean, he would not abandon the sword if he found it.
Would you agree?
Right, and I don't think it was, you mean once he came to it?
As I state in the book, I think if he came to the sword, he was directed where to find the sword.
And I argue that it probably was what the rest of his life was about, was being the custodian of that sword and whatever other relics were stored with it.
These relics, in my theory, in what I've found, I argue that these relics were not only moved from Europe to North America, they were moved across the continent.
As the population grew, as, you know, there started to be more of a, they would keep moving their vaults west until the point where, of course, it was better to just move it off the continent.
Well, the question is, why would they have moved these relics into the New World, so to speak?
And I know you address that a bit in the book, but I'm not sure that I'm completely satisfied with the explanation.
But could you go into that at the moment, what your thinking is along the lines of, why would it almost seems, well, it seems very strange that they would go to all that trouble.
Well, in a nutshell, the first immediate reason would be to keep these objects, and particularly that sword, out of the hands of Vatican agents and out of the hands of any European monarchs.
If you're familiar with the trial of Joan of Arc, when she was captured in 1430, she did not have this sword on her.
She had, prior to the battle in which she was captured, she had begun to suspect that her capture was imminent.
So she, according to her own testimony, gave her belongings, including that sword, to one of her brothers, and she had no idea what her brother had done with it.
Now, during her tribunal, they seemed to be keenly interested in that sword.
They wanted to know everything about it.
They wanted to know what she did with it.
They pressed her hard for what she did with it.
And in the book, I point out that England was driving this tribunal behind the scenes.
And of course you had your church or Vatican agents who were the ones who were running the show.
Also, you know, the members of the More corrupt members, you know, in the background of the monarchy there, of course, that had been involved with the persecution of the Templars to begin with.
You had those three entities very much wanting to know what happened to that sword.
Now, if her sword was of this Excalibur type, there's a reason for England wanting to know where that sword is.
Okay.
Okay.
So we should be back online shortly.
There's a bit of a time lag between the servers and picking this up.
Okay, it looks like we're working.
Okay, I'm waiting for some information here.
Okay, so the significance of, I believe we're online, the significance of the meteorite and the material from which it, you know, what it contributes to the sword.
What would you say about that?
I mean, is this something that's a mystery, or is this something that you think you can make sense of?
Oh, well...
Well, it makes sense in itself, because what is a meteorite with just a big, you know, plug of iron or such falling from the sky?
And, you know, Martell took his blacksmith out there and they forged a sword for him that, you know, he carried into battle the next day and was victorious in running out the invading Muslims.
At the time.
And he was very grateful because he had prayed for some assistance when he saw this meteorite, according to the story, particularly to the research of Lance Bernard.
Who was the one who brought the sword to...
To Joan in the first place, and as the book argues, another guy has brought the sword to someone else before that, but we'll leave that little tidbit for the readers of the book.
When they read that, when they understand that, they'll see why I'm curious about this.
Yeah, it makes physical sense, perfectly good physical sense to me, particularly the analysis of the elements When you marry it up with the energy of the world grid, you're talking about a device that tunes itself in to these natural energies of the earth and pretty much makes this sword,
kind of puts it on steroids, so to speak, in that it empowers the sword to cut through other materials, to be virtually indestructible.
If wielded, you know, properly.
And to, you know, in some cases, emit some type of shine or glow so that the mind of the Dark Ages, the medieval mind, would really be freaked out by that and say, wow, you know, this is something from God.
Well, as we know, technology would look like magic to a more primitive society than the society building that technology or wielding it.
And I think that's what was going on there.
I think this is a device that was beyond the understanding of the common person back then.
Well, yes, clearly.
But I'm actually wondering if it's still beyond our understanding.
In other words, I'm trying to drill down into sort of the link-up with the ley lines or what you might call the telluric currents, and they might be different than actual ley lines, possibly.
Yeah, I've explained in the past that I use the term ley lines kind of just colloquially because that's what other people, you know...
They will use ley lines when we know that technically a ley line is a very specific thing, not necessarily these lines of world grid energy.
When I refer to telluric current, I mean the world grid and this grid of energy that runs across the planet, which...
Lay lines, you know, are probably tapped into in some way.
But yeah, specifically the Taluric current, I'm sure your viewers and listeners are familiar with the concept of the world grid.
Going back to Tesla, you know, it's a popular concept these days.
And that's what we're talking about here.
Okay, but the question is actually, does the sword have to be used in the vicinity of those lines in order to be powerful?
Unless there is a capacity for storage of this energy within the body of the sword, whether it be the blade or the hilt, I would say yes, it has to be Wielded, you know, within the vicinity of the world grid.
But I also think that every planet that you'd find people wielding these swords has a grid.
I don't think the Earth is unique in that way.
Sure, but I guess there's an interesting hookup there because it may be energetically that the human themselves has to have the right energetics to wield the sword in the first place that then connects it with the grid.
Because you're talking about, in a sense, a triangle.
There needs to be some more thing going on between the connection between the human and possibly their Physical body and maybe beyond, and then the link up with the grid itself, or the current, and then the sword.
So you've got three, you know, that way you create a triangular connection that seems like it would be more likely to facilitate an energetic connection that would then have some kind of power.
If any of those three things are out of alignment, so to speak, In theory, it wouldn't work.
And there's also the question, you know, if the human themselves, you know, I know with certain kinds of technology, especially ET technology, if the human doesn't have the right frequency, they can't access it.
So, with this sort of very dynamic sword, it would seem that there may be a similar thing to that.
And I'm also wondering, isn't this the same sword as the King Arthur sword?
You know, the one pulled from the stone, or at least the one with the, and I believe you do say that in your book, that actually Joan's sword came from, you know, was the same lineage from that sword.
Well, what is a meteorite but a stone?
And if you forge a blade from a meteorite, what are you doing?
You're drawing that sword from that stone.
You're drawing it.
So the whole legend about, you know, a sword being stuck in a rock Well, you know, that's kind of a simplistic fairytale way of saying, you know, to alchemists, people who understand alchemy, hey, within a rock, you know, a special rock, you know, you can forge this special blade.
Well, the special rock, you know, turns out to have been, you know, a meteorite.
Yes.
Now, yeah, yeah, I had a thought there and I lost it.
But essentially, yes, I think that Arthur's Excalibur And Charles Martel's sword and the sword of Joan of Arc were either literally the same exact sword or...
They were of the same type.
They were of this Excalibur type.
Now, I also argue that even if it's a type, there's reason to suspect that Charles Martel's actual sword was Joan's actual sword.
Because remember, she went and got it from behind the altar of a church, and Martel is purported to have put the sword there in thanks to God.
Right.
I personally think in instruction from Hecate, you know, she said, okay, you used it, you wielded it, now it's time to give it back.
Look at the Arthurian legend and what happens when Arthur's done with it.
The sword has to be returned to the Lady of the Lake, who I argue is also Hecate.
Okay, but you didn't actually address, and maybe that's the thought you lost, but basically you didn't address what I was suggesting, which is that the individual has to have a certain energetic themselves to even access that power, so to speak.
Yeah, that's certainly possible.
I see it's also possible that, you know, when you, let's go back to the proverbial drill, you know, when you plug your drill into the wall socket, there doesn't have to be anything about you other than some common sense and, you know, your hands, your physical ability to use that drill in order for that drill to operate as it's designed.
It just needs the power.
And, you know, you could be a great enlightened being.
Or you could be a complete idiot.
As long as you know how to operate that drill, that drill's going to work.
And it could also very well be that, you know, that's the case with this particular type of sword.
Now, I would say that the evidence to suggest what you're saying is possible is the fact that Arthur was chosen, according to the legend.
The fact that Martell was, you know, selectively allowed to have this information.
Joan was given the sword.
And certainly because Joan was prone to be able to establish contact with disembodied spirits and entities, that does say something special about her intuitive or her awareness level as far as the spectrum of reality goes.
And I would say out of the three, Arthur...
And Martell and Joan.
Joan's probably the one who fits most what you're talking about.
But remember, Joan was a leader in a desperate situation.
Martell, especially, was a leader in a desperate situation.
Hecate behaves a lot like Pallas Athena.
Ooh, there's an interesting connection.
A lot like Athena does in the Odyssey, where she seems to take pity On the hopeless cause and comes in and gets herself involved to help the underdog.
So it could just simply be that the person selected is of a decent character but just happens to be in the right place at the right time to have this blessing of the lady bestowed upon them.
But I'm not going to discount the possibility that these are individuals of advanced awareness or enlightenment.
That could very well be.
My research always continues on.
When I present things in books, it's where I'm at at the time. it's where I'm at at the time.
I'm still learning things about Cabrillo.
I'm still learning things about Joan and Charles Martel and the sword and such.
Okay.
Well, you say you're still learning, and that would suggest that some of the things you're learning are not in the book.
Are they going into future books, and do you have anything you want to add to what you've been saying?
Well, some material will go into future books.
Some things I will not write about, because during the research on the first book, and as a result of writing the first book, my particular view of Hecate herself evolved And you can find in the book by Manly P. Hall, The Secret Teachings of the Ages, an interesting thing called The Admonition of Isis.
Now, Isis the goddess is linked as an identity of Hecate.
And the admonition of Isis, of her true followers and devotees, is At one point, she lifts her veil and shows you her true nature.
And when she does that, the admonition is, tell no one.
In other words, she doesn't just reveal things to just anyone who wants to know them.
She's very selective.
And if you're lucky enough to have even a corner of the veil lifted, you're wiser to just keep your mouth shut.
Because...
This is what I found.
This is my understanding of Hecate and how she works and how all this stuff works.
We are all on a personal journey.
But I've changed in my opinion.
There are certain things that I'm not obligated to share with everybody just because they want to know.
No.
No, no, no.
Some things...
Each one of us, you the individual, it's your responsibility to dig out certain things.
I'm not obligated to share everything I find.
You're not obligated to share everything you find.
Because here's the thing, there are certain things that if I tell you about them, There's no way in hell you're going to comprehend them.
You might think you get it.
You might say, wow, that's really cool.
But you do not fully, on all levels of your being, truly comprehend what it is I'm talking about unless you experience it yourself.
So therefore, it does you no good, and certainly does me no good, to share everything and certain things.
So that's why...
I kind of change why I'm writing the books and what I put in the books and, you know, what I don't.
And I don't even like to indicate, you know, what continues to go on because, you know, it's kind of like this.
You keep your mouth shut, you learn a lot more.
Okay, well, that's interesting.
I'm not sure.
Well, I mean, this is the point of view of certainly secret societies, for example, and I'm sure you're aware of that.
Yeah, but you don't have to be in a secret society at all to learn the things I've learned.
All you have to do is go out there and seek it.
That's right.
Go out there and look for it yourself.
There's nobody keeping you.
From learning it.
There's nothing stopping you from learning any of this except yourself.
Your own prejudices, your own disbeliefs, your own beliefs.
And, you know, that's really all it is.
There's no one out there...
Here's the thing.
Most of the secret societies, they don't even know all this stuff that'll be revealed to you if you dig it out.
So...
Sure.
Well, but obviously you're an investigator, and you love digging this stuff out, so you're going down that road.
There are plenty of people listening who are also investigators who may take some clues that you give them at this time and in your books and so on and carry them out to continue their own researches.
As they should.
As they should.
And that's why we're having you on the show.
Somebody is asking in the chat, where is the sword now?
Do you have a theory on that?
I know you said it could be in the Pacific Ocean.
It could be a number of places.
But if you were to, would you want to venture a guess?
Or have you thought about this?
I mean, assuming you've thought about this.
Oh, I've thought about it plenty.
I have reasons for thinking at one time it was on a tropical island in the Pacific.
But due to my research and the things I talk about in the book and explain the book and such, I think it continues to be moved.
Honestly, I have no clue.
I mean, no idea.
I couldn't guess.
You said you're a rather good remote viewer.
You must have remote viewed it.
Have you been unsuccessful in remote viewing it?
And if so, why, do you think?
I haven't attempted to remote view its present location since 2007.
And I saw it in a tropical environment.
Now...
There's a big old chunk of the world that's tropical.
It could be an island.
It could be on some continent.
I'll put it to you this way.
I don't think it's in North America anymore.
It could be somewhere in the Pacific still.
It could just kind of follow your nose with the tropical lead.
I'm more sure about where I think it's been.
Like I said, South Mountain.
Mount Rubidoux and Riverside, I think there's a vault inside there.
But I think at one time it might have been.
Okay, let me ask you this.
You say you're a remote viewer.
You're not exactly a dowser.
You don't use dowsing rods, right?
Right.
Okay.
But do you feel energy in your hands?
Because I do.
I can feel...
I don't know.
No, I'm going to say no.
Okay.
Well, I mean, you would know it if you could.
It's a very, you know, it's not a sort of a maybe kind of thing.
It's very pronounced when you are able to tap into that stuff.
And, you know, there are these people who, I guess I would...
be one of them but certainly they're called earth-sensitives and perhaps you've heard of these people who are able to go into power places and feel the energies there and also they they also sense earthquakes before they happen oftentimes sometimes they will get sick before an earthquake or or some other sort of get a headache or a pressure or whatever it happens to be I have experienced that Oh, you have?
Not with an earthquake, but with a particular place.
An associate of mine wanted to take me to a place, and I had done a remote viewing on it.
I didn't know where he was going to take me.
It's a place I'd never been to.
He wanted me to do a remote viewing I did the night before.
And on the drive there, suddenly I felt like I was going to get nauseous and going to get sick.
So I made him pull off, and I went into a men's room.
I was fine.
It didn't happen.
But then he told me, you know what's weird is we were getting off at the very next exit.
Now, where this place was that he took me to was the Devil's Canyon Dam next to JPL in Altadena and Pasadena.
Oh, really?
Which has a very interesting history.
And so I have experienced that, a physical reaction as I drew near a place where Which is known to, you know, have energies and possibly be located where the veil is thinnest, so to speak.
Okay.
Well, now that you bring it up, have you done any research around the magicians of JPL at all?
Oh, I've done a little bit of reading on Jack Parsons.
And, of course, readers of Empire of the Wheel 1 will know that Aleister Crowley played A role in that part of the mystery.
So to a certain extent, yes.
And some experiences I had there, both with the remote viewing, and once I got there were of a more personal nature that had to do with a deceased member of the family.
And so I won't go into that, but that is very definitely An interesting location.
There's something to the stories there, I'm convinced, based on my experience with it.
Okay.
You are interesting in that you seem to go to places.
I don't know if you...
I know you talked about certain other places across the United States you have looked into, but I wondered if you really seem to concentrate in California.
Some of your books do seem to sort of Really delve deepest into the California area.
Is there a reason for that, or am I right about that?
Has that been a focus for you?
Well, there's two sides to the answer there.
The superficial reason is because this is kind of what my budget allows.
My present condition, so to speak.
Not a physical condition.
So, you know, I make the best where I'm at.
But the other side of that is I'm convinced that my condition, my situation, was to keep me here so that I would investigate these things.
So, you know, I'm There's things I might not go to directly when talking about it, but that I'm open to.
I'm very much open to that idea and I have a lot of reasons for thinking that.
The course of my life may have been manipulated to a degree so that I would discover these things and write about them.
Do you have Templars in your family lineage?
Oh, that's an interesting question that I can't answer right now.
I'll put it to you this way.
My European heritage directly involves folks from, ancestors from areas in France that were directly associated with the Templar and that same family connections to Scotland and I
haven't had the opportunity yet.
All I've seen in France are Paris and Strasbourg.
And they were wonderful.
I'd love to go back.
But I haven't had the opportunity yet myself to get to Rensselaer Chateau.
I very much want to because it's deeply connected to my research that I haven't written about yet or that I don't talk about.
Okay.
Well, I have been there, and I can say amazing energetics there.
So if you do get a chance, obviously it's somewhere you should go, and probably sooner rather than later.
Fascinating energy in that area.
Let's see.
I guess someone is asking, is there a meteor in the blade or the hilt of the sword?
I think you're talking about the blade.
The blade, according to the Charles Martel information in the scenario laid out by Lance Bernard, a researcher from Los Gatos, California, It's the blade that was forged from the iron and the metals in the meteorite that fell.
Okay.
Who knows what's in the hill?
Ha ha ha.
Yeah.
Alright.
Now, someone asked who originally made it, but there's a number of stories about that.
You kind of talked a little bit about the origin of the sword, but do you want to talk a little bit more about who actually is thought to have made it?
No one knows.
I mean, it dates back to, you know, the 6th century and the legends of King Arthur.
I would argue that the technology...
This goes back to the stories of...
We got the stories of the fallen angels who brought antediluvian man these technologies which the creators, Elohim, forbade us to have.
And of course they were punished for doing that.
And I say this goes back to those beings, be they from another dimension, be they from just simply another planet or another galaxy, another world or whatever, this is probably one of those pieces of technology.
And the fact that Hecate is the one dishing this particular thing out in her, I would argue, her...
You know, you've got Hecate...
You have Leah the Lake, Saint Catherine of Alexandria, Athena, and the goddess Isis.
These are all the same entity.
These are all the same being.
She's probably one of those beings that dates back that far.
I would say who the creator of the technology is, or the particular objects, Well, you know, they teach mankind how to make these things.
So, you know, as far as Excalibur, you know, whoever Merlin's blacksmith was, Martell's blacksmith could probably identify historically, possibly.
Joan already found the sword made, so...
Uh-huh.
Sure.
Well, I don't know why.
I thought you'd written specifically on how it was...
Maybe that was a theoretical description.
I do have some theoretical descriptions in there, but also I talk about what looks like the twelve elements and how that ties into the Arthurian legend and on and so forth.
Okay.
All right, well, I appreciate all of this.
I am a little curious in terms of your working as a private investigator and and your background.
Do you want to talk any more about that?
Are you currently working as a private investigator or do you consider yourself retired?
I'm an active licensed private investigator.
Because my specialty, my primary specialty, the first thing I was taught by the FBI to do was physical surveillance and that played a role in everything I did after that in my federal career.
I'm a physical surveillance specialist, and what I usually do as a PI is I work for other PIs to do their surveillance for them or lead their teams.
PIs with less experience than I have in surveillance.
I learned from the best in the world at this stuff, and I got to practice it all over the U.S. and all over the world for 18 years.
Pretty good at it.
I know the tricks, and that's primarily what I do as a PI, but I'm a licensed PI. I've got my own shingle, and I initiate my own cases.
I don't just always work for others, but I'm still active.
Okay, and when you say you do on-the-ground surveillance, you're talking about watching people, I assume, and are you talking about Like, I don't know how much you want to reveal of this, but whatever you want to talk about, I mean, in terms of the kind of cases that you cover, are you talking about, you know, anything?
Or are you talking, you know, like anything that pays?
Or are you talking, you know, are you talking like Humphrey Bogart and the Maltese Falcon or whatever, you know, or somebody spying on their husband or wife or type of thing?
I've done that.
I don't turn that down.
They're...
There's a generation or a particular percentage of PIs that they've determined that certain things are beneath them, and domestics, as we call the cheating spouse cases, or some guys, they feel like that's beneath them, but I'm a one-man show, and surveillance is how you You catch a cheater.
So that's not beneath me.
I'll do it.
Because the way I look at it is, when you've got two people that are married, that's a contract.
And when one person's cheating, they're defrauding on that contract.
So I look at it, it's like fraud.
They're defrauding the other person.
It's dishonest.
And, you know, he's putting on new shingles and, you know, he's claiming he can't get out of bed.
That's fraud.
I'll watch a guy like that get him on video and basically ruin his scam and his life, hopefully, because he's a criminal.
I also, most states, California is one of them, authorize private investigators to work on harder crimes and even national security issues.
And because my background is in national security, I will also work on national security issues as they would come up because I'm a specialist in that.
When you say national security, I mean, well, so are you looking at terrorists and that sort of thing?
I could.
I could within a certain capacity.
Remember, private investigators, you know, we don't nearly have the freedoms to do certain things, the authorization, I should say, and we shouldn't.
As federal agents or police officers do.
But then again, on the other hand, in some things we have more freedoms than law enforcement officers do.
So, you know, we have enough of what we need to be able to do our jobs and make a living.
I'm not one of those that thinks PI should be out there.
Sometimes, depending upon what you're looking into.
Okay.
Alright, well, now, you've written, one of your other books is about sort of a murder mystery.
I actually am starting it.
What's the name of it, the one?
I know you have several books, so I'm sorry to put you on the spot here.
I don't have the title of the book.
Is it non-fiction?
Yes.
Okay, there's the three Empire of the Wheel books.
Empire of the Wheel 2 is Friends from Sonora, and Empire of the Wheel 3 is the nameless ones.
And Empire of the Wheel 1 and 2 get into some actual serial murder cases.
So is that maybe what you're referring to as the third one?
Well, I mean, you know, I'm not sure.
Yeah, maybe it's the first Empire of the Wheel that I've got, but what I... Cora Stanton, the Cora Stanton mystery.
Yes.
Okay, so when you chose to write this story, I mean, I don't know if you want to give this away, but why did you get into all of that?
I mean, it's pretty extraordinary.
You're linking up a lot of murders, and you're obviously, it's almost like, well, it reminds me of the movie Chinatown, to tell you the truth.
Yes, indeed.
It reminds me of Chinatown, too.
Does it?
Yeah.
You know, it was interesting.
You said, why did I choose?
There were things that he and I were finding.
There were things that he and I were experiencing separately that we were sharing with each other.
And we agreed that none of this would go into the book because we want the book to stand on the facts and the research.
But there were things going on, and it continued to go on, that was really...
It's continued to drive me to write this stuff and keep digging into it.
The reason I wrote this book is actually stuff that had been on the periphery and really when I look back on it, it had been haunting me for several years.
So when I finally came to what it was I was being pushed to, yeah, it was pretty astonishing.
The amount of evidence and data that continued to pile up.
And intuitively, as an investigator, I knew there was something more here than met the eye.
Okay, and would you say you've wrapped up that case?
Or, you know...
No.
No?
Okay.
It'll be a 100-year-old cold case this fall, and no way have I wrapped it up.
Now, do I think I've made some headway?
Absolutely.
I'll tell you, I stand by my belief that all seven of the people that are focused on in that book, or at minimum four of them, We're definitely, you know, either four or all seven of them were victims of murder.
And that is the woman who drowned and the three children.
You can say what you want about, you know, at the time the story was the woman who drowned, oh, she was a suicide.
And there were two guys who shot themselves in the head.
Oh, those were suicides.
And one guy drowned, he was an accident.
But those three children, okay, did not eat poison candy in a poison orange accidentally.
Okay, they were given these things.
Okay, but have you gotten to the root of why?
Well, I go into that in the book.
I know, I know.
But, you know, if you were to have a big why, you know, like the big overreaching sort of...
I'm getting to that in future books.
Oh, really?
And yeah, it's very, very bad and very dark.
Okay, well, let me...
Does it link up to Satanism?
Not as such, no.
Okay, are you aware of...
The Palace, Virtus, Peninsula, and the Satan, the claims of Satanism that goes on there?
Vaguely.
I've heard just vague stories.
I haven't dug into it.
Okay.
And what about, did your story lead you to do any investigation in San Francisco?
Well, as you know, when you read the books, San Francisco plays a part in the mystery.
Again, due to budgetary reasons, I'm not able to just zip up there any time.
But when I was investigating the Disneyland book, I went there and did the Telluric Current research.
And then on another occasion, kind of...
I just took a quick look around certain areas, but I haven't been able to dive too deeply into the San Francisco end of things.
I see.
I know I'm keeping you for a while here, but your work is actually quite fascinating, and I think you might be onto some things here.
There is something you mentioned to me.
I don't know if you put it in an email or how I got the information from you, but it sounded like you said you've...
The reason I'm going in this direction is because you said you discovered or you thought you're discovering some kind of unseen entity, I guess I'd put it like that.
You said it's something big and I don't know how you described it exactly.
You wrote something in an email.
It was a one sentence thing.
I'll have to dig that up and see what it was I said.
I didn't know what you meant when you wrote that sentence.
There's definitely a bigger picture here and what I've discovered is just one thread in a larger fabric.
As I said, the discoveries have continued.
Things have continued to be revealed.
Things that I'm just not going to write about and won't talk about publicly, but I'll continue to pursue them.
But there is a line, a thread that I have pulled with the Juan Cabrillo book It has led to some other similar threads that will be discussed in the second Secret Missions book that I just recently decided would happen.
I had no intention of writing a Secret Missions book until about two weeks ago.
In fact, today I just received a thick resource, a book that was recommended by a colleague in pursuit of this particular thing I'm talking about.
And I probably won't have the next book ready until the fall of this year because it's going to require some extensive research.
But in that book, I'm going to go there, so to speak.
I'm going to talk a little bit more about what I think is going on and how this stuff plays a role in it.
But yes, to go back to What led us down this cul-de-sac was this alley, is that, yeah, I think these murders were definitely, they served an immediate esoteric purpose, but they also served a long-term agenda, which Empire of the Wheel 3 actually goes into and reveals, as far as what I think, based on the data I found, Empire of the Wheel 3 goes into that and lays that out.
And it involves...
Well, it involves the assassination of Abraham Lincoln and the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
But not just that.
Okay, yeah, because it definitely seems like you're pulling things together in a very interesting way.
And, I mean, if you're using Manly P. Hall at all...
Then it seems like you would be up on sort of the...
And it sounds as though some of this links back to that.
And I don't...
Because I haven't read your other books, I don't know exactly how and whether or not you make those connections obvious in the books.
It sounds like perhaps you may be going down that road even further...
Am I on the right trail here at all?
Yes.
In the interest of disclosure, there's a word, for the same reason that there's people in the UFO community that don't like me because I'm a former OSI agent.
I've actually had friends who know me.
I wouldn't say attack me, but go off on me because of my You know, former profession in that regard.
Well, how does being an OSI... Well, I mean, okay, go ahead.
The UFO people, they see the OSI as the big evil bugaboo, but that's another discussion.
I'm also a third-degree Master Mason, but I haven't been active in Lodge for 20, going on 23 years now, because I moved around a lot, you know, being a federal employee and a military guy.
I just...
I kept my dues up for the longest time and just never got involved in lodge work again.
Right.
So you have this background.
People will find that to be evil.
Well, right.
But you have the background to be able to interpret symbols, signs and symbols, right?
I think so, yeah.
Okay.
Now, I can't leave this untouched.
So you say you're an OSI. You were a former OSI agent.
What did you do as a former OSI? You automatically a bad guy.
Because the Air Force OSI is seen as the entity that is keeping the truth about ET and UFOs from the public, in a general sense.
And the fact that I was a counterintelligence guy, and specifically I was chief of the counter-espionage operations branch at Ray Patterson.
That right there, in the imaginations of these people who I'm referring to, makes me a guy who's not to be trusted.
I have encountered this from a few people in the UFO community.
That's why I alluded to it.
That's why I don't really talk about UFOs or anything to do with that publicly anymore.
Well, you mean you once did?
Oh, yeah.
I'm friends with Greg Bishop.
I used to go on his show, and I talk about it a lot.
And quite frankly, I got kind of bored with the subject.
My own research was taking me in much more fascinating directions, and I already know what I think about the whole UFO thing.
I already know what I know about it.
And to me, yeah, it's interesting, but it's not as interesting as other things to me.
And quite frankly, I think...
It's kind of stagnated in many ways, the research.
It's just not that interesting to me to discuss so much anymore.
I see.
Have you watched any of my interviews?
I think in the past I've seen a couple.
Uh-huh.
Well, let's say it's gotten interesting again.
Maybe you should catch up on a few things.
Well, I still hear things.
Like I said, I just don't talk about it.
Okay.
You've got to understand, there's people out there that no matter what I would say about it or discuss about it, they think I'm lying or they think I'm a disinformation agent, which I'll tell you right now, I've told others, they've heard me say it.
I really, really wish the OSI would hire me to be a disinformation agent in the UFO community, because you know why?
I'd be getting a paycheck.
Right.
I hear you.
Trust me, if that were the case, I'd be getting a paycheck.
Yeah.
Some other interesting things.
That ain't happening.
So, you know, basically my view is if I'm not going to be trusted, you know, after all this time that I've kind of been out there, it's not important enough to me to continue, you know, to be involved with it.
Okay.
Well, it's certainly interesting that you went down the road you did because sort of from the...
I don't know what they say from the pan to the frying pan or whatever.
You're, you know, whatever that saying is.
From the fire to the fire.
Yeah, frying pan to the fire.
It sounds like you actually went...
It's kind of funny.
Well, to me, it's kind of funny that you would go from one thing to the next because, you know, one's as convoluted as the other is, actually.
And there's a lot more to that.
Well...
It's fascinating.
I appreciate the books you're writing.
I hope the people that are listening to this and will listen to it once we get it on YouTube, assuming we're able to do so, that they will buy your books.
Someone is asking, do you have only Kindle books available?
Do you have, I guess, paperback or hardback?
Well, there are paperback editions of The Empire of the Wild books available at lulu.com, print-on-demand.com.
And really, you know, it only takes them about 10 days or so, a couple of weeks, to take your order and to book up and ship it out to you.
And they're very good.
And lulu.com, L-U-L-U.com, for those who don't know, you can find them there.
Okay, very good.
Well, I think, you know, now that I know you're a private investigator, I'd probably like to hire you for various things.
I don't have the money, but it sounds like you've got a great background.
I might have some friends that want to hire you.
Nobody's got the money these days.
That's why all our rates are lower than what...
...threatened or followed yourself as a result of your work.
Oh, there's some interesting things that are going on and have gone on and continue to go on as a result of Empire of the Wheel.
Oh, yeah?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Oh.
Now, in my former line of work, not yet, I did do counterterrorism for about six or seven years of that.
But nothing there has popped up.
But that doesn't scare me.
Those hooligans don't worry me.
Okay.
And just out of curiosity, had you done any investigations of people surrounding the financial situation, the gold in the Philippines, or any of that sort of thing?
Ooh, interesting you bring that up, because...
A particular colleague of mine who is a great mentor on certain things has guided me in certain directions where I have found some very pertinent information in the world of finance and gold in particular.
And in Empire of the Wheel 2, Friends from Sonora, that's really the first book in which I got into that because gold and currency plays a role in that.
And so I'm just kind of going in that direction.
Learning new things in that direction.
Along those lines, have you ever investigated the Promise Software story?
No, I've never personally investigated it.
I've read things.
There were things I can't talk about because little things came up when I was a federal agent that I heard.
And then, of course, I've read about it like everyone else has.
And then colleagues that actually research it know more about it.
I have talks with them about it, but I haven't personally researched it yet.
Okay.
In your line of work, did you ever meet the person who...
I'm going to try to remember his name.
He was a police officer, I think, investigator, who had a website called From the Wilderness...
Do you know who I mean?
Mike...
God...
What was his website about?
What was his specialty?
Well, he talked about the Promise Software thing.
He was on the circuit for a while, and he kind of...
He was also investigating DEA stuff.
God, Mike...
Well, I had a friend who was listening.
Rupert.
Okay, thank you, friend.
Who's listening?
Rupert.
Michael Rupert, because I would have thought maybe your paths might have crossed.
You know, it's interesting that in what I did, you find yourself, it's very compartmentalized, so even though you find yourself working on important national level, global level things, What it's like for a guy like me to then want to be a PI and work in corporate security.
Law enforcement, federal or otherwise, it's greatly a boys club.
These guys, when they go out in the private sector, they hire their buddies, right?
And you get a lot of guys who their attitude is if they haven't heard of you or if they didn't meet you, then you aren't what you say you are or you're nobody.
What's interesting is I can list off a dozen guys I know personally that we are what we say we are.
Our federal agencies back us up.
None of these guys ever heard of us.
We didn't necessarily know everybody else working in our world.
It's an honor to have been a part of what I did.
But then it kind of bites you in the rear end because, you know, these guys, they didn't hear about you.
They don't know you because you were working sequestered.
You were working, you know, undercover to a degree.
You were working in a compartmentalized situation.
Okay, so I'm just going to fire a couple names at you, if you wouldn't mind.
Now, I can't let you go until I fire these names at you.
So, Rick Doty.
Did you ever interact with Rick Doty?
No, I never met Special Agent Doty.
He was brought up when I was a new agent.
And I've said this elsewhere, he was brought up kind of as a cautionary tale.
But I've also said that until I were to meet him and talk to him personally, And actually read case files that are relative to what his reputation with the public has become.
I would withhold judgment of him personally.
And that's something that anybody who's been an agent or professional investigator would or shouldn't say.
Sure.
So, you know, nobody, nobody in the UFO community knows all the details of the full story of Rick Doty.
I don't care who they are or what they claim.
Okay.
No way.
Except maybe Colonel Weaver.
Okay.
Okay.
What about Howard Hughes?
Did you ever investigate Howard Hughes?
Oh, no, no.
He was, I mean, of course, he was, you know, dead long before, you know, I was...
I understand that, but I'm...
But nothing ever came up where I had to look into Howard Hughes.
Not even in looking into the mysteries you're looking into?
He hasn't popped up yet.
Okay, well, let me just say, stay tuned.
It wouldn't surprise me.
I really approach this stuff like a criminal investigator, and I try to stick to the case at hand, and the Empire of the Wheel books, even though they go off.
Now, that said, Empire of the Wheel 2 took me into the land of breakaway civilizations.
Okay.
And I would say that Mr.
Hughes, here's the thing.
My investigation into breakaway civilization is 19th century, very, very early 20th century.
I haven't got into it, as far as my personal investigations, in depth into the 20th century, and I would say that's where Hughes probably pops up on that tableau, is with the 20th century breakaway civilization issue.
Interesting.
All right.
Okay.
Let me see.
The Kennedy assassination, did you investigate that?
Have you been drawn down that road because of where else you've been?
Well, I investigated, I researched the esoteric aspects of it, which I was first turned on to by the essay King Kill 33 by James Shelby Downard and Mike...
Oh, I can't remember his last name.
I apologize for that if he's listening or anyone who knows I'm listening, but KingKill33 is just a jaw-dropping essay that points out the esoteric aspects of the whole Kennedy assassination scenario, and that plus my research,
my Empire of the Wheel research, led me to the thread that connects it thematically, and I get into this in Empire of the Wheel 3, to the mystery of Empire of the Wheel 1, To the Abraham Lincoln assassination, and then zooming forward to 9-11.
Okay, very good.
Okay, there was one other person that, well, I mean, gosh, there's a whole laundry list now that I could run by you, but we just don't have enough hours in the night.
I know that, let me just look really briefly and see if there were any other questions that came through on the chat.
That, yeah, as far as I can see, there was nothing starting to show up here.
Oh, somebody wants to know about the sword in the Philippines.
Did you think that that was a possibility?
Could be.
It's tropical.
I can tell you that.
One group of people that are very interested in...
Well, there is an L. Ron Hubbard Empire of the Wheel 3.
Okay.
Yes.
All right.
So you went into Hubbard, you went into Crowley, and you went into Parsons, into all three of those characters.
How far, did you say?
No, you're saying you did do some investigation on all three.
Of course, Stanton was found dead and in the heart of the mystery, so I had to look at him.
And then, of course, my experiences and my research out at the Devil's Canyon, the Devil's Gate Dam, the Devil's Gate Dam area, of course, that's right there at JPL, where Parsons, you know, in that area where he lived.
And then, of course, there was a relative who was an associate of a man who is at the heart of the Riverside part of the mystery, connected with Rubidoux.
I might not have put everything I found in the book, but yeah, I looked at all three because of that.
Because of my investigation led me to that.
Alright, well, you said you sort of looked into the Promise software thing, but you didn't do any real investigation on your own, I'm hearing.
What about, gosh, what's his name?
Michael McCona-Shudo.
You know, he's in prison here in California.
I think it's in California.
Are you familiar with who he is?
No, not just by name.
Okay, well, he was the one that helped build a backdoor into the Promise software that ultimately became, well, part of the artificial intelligence.
I don't know if you follow that road down at all, but that's currently running at least the financial system, if not the planet at this time.
But, yeah...
So, because, you know, what about the Morongo Indian Reservation?
Did you ever look into that?
Oh, well, I live about 20 minutes down the road from that, been there, that place, been there several times.
I have not dug in.
My sister lives right on the edge of the reservation there in Whitewater.
Okay, well, are you aware that underground they are doing a lot of work on, you know, biological weapons and things of that nature?
I've heard.
I've heard.
And I've heard reports of strange things out there.
Uh-huh.
And you live so close.
Wow.
If you live in that area, you must see all kinds of anomalous things out where you live.
Indeed.
Okay, well, alright.
Thank you so much, Walter Bosley.
It's been a pleasure on my end to listen to you and to be able to cross-examine you over here.
And you've been a great sport.
And I'm sorry for the technology falling in and out here.
I don't know what's going on.
There's no reason why that should happen, but it is.
No worries.
Carrie, thank you for having me on.
I really appreciate it.
And, you know, I hope that it was interesting to your viewers.
Absolutely.
I'd love to come back sometime.
Lovely.
Excellent.
Okay.
All right, everyone.
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